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09:03 < CIA-4> rene * r18026 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xcfgt2.sh: (log message trimmed)
09:03 < CIA-4> * fall back to framebuffer name matching if no pci device was found
09:03 < CIA-4>  (makes SBUS and co device matching possible ,-)
09:03 < CIA-4> * added matching for Sun Creator 3D / Elite 3D
09:03 < CIA-4> * allow per device depth, Sun * 3D only operates on 24 bit and higher
09:03 < CIA-4> * implemented mode extraction from the running FB, formerly only
09:03 < CIA-4>  user-space ddcprobe was support on x86, with just defaults for all
09:07 < CIA-4> rene * r18027 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xcfgt2.sh: * translated imperfect grep|cut|cut in xcfgt2 to just one sed
09:11 < CIA-4> rene * r18028 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xcfgt2.sh: 
09:11 < CIA-4> * improved new xcfgt2 mode matching via fb0 sysfs attribute to match
09:11 < CIA-4>  modes on non sunffb (Creator/Elite 3D) machines
09:17 < karasz> moin moin
09:19 < CIA-4> rene * r18029 /trunk/package/sparc/silo/cdrom.patch: 
09:19 < CIA-4> * fixed silo to not crash OPB accessing the cd on some machines
09:19 < CIA-4>  (just appeared on the sparc list some hours ago!)
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09:59 < CIA-4> rene * r18030 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xcfgt2.sh: * fixed the new xcfgt2.sh fb mode extraction to inject surrounding ""s
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10:07 < rxr> hi mipe_ 
10:11 < Baldzius> hi rxr
10:15 < CIA-4> aldas * r18031 /branches/2.2/package/mail/sylpheed-claws/sylpheed-claws.desc: 
10:15 < CIA-4> * merged r17957 from trunk to branches/2.2:
10:15 < CIA-4>  updated sylpheed-claws (2.2.3 -> 2.3.0)
10:15 < rxr> 0hi Baldzius 
10:15 < mipe_> hi rxr
10:16 < CIA-4> aldas * r18032 /branches/2.2/package/gnome2/gconfmm/gconfmm.desc: 
10:16 < CIA-4> * merged r17979 from trunk to branches/2.2:
10:16 < CIA-4>  updated gconfmm (2.14.0 -> 2.14.2)
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10:18 < rxr> thanks for that work
10:19 < CIA-4> susan * r18033 /trunk/package/x11/xterm/xterm.desc: * updated xterm (213 -> 214)
10:19 < Baldzius> rxr: you are welcome :)
10:20 < CIA-4> aldas * r18034 /branches/2.2/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+-pkg.conf: 
10:20 < CIA-4> * merged r17978 from trunk to branches/2.2:
10:20 < CIA-4>  added workaround to gtk+/gtk+-pkg.conf to remove file
10:20 < CIA-4>  "icon-theme.cache" from some gnome2's packages flist
10:20 < CIA-4>  (gtk-update-icon-cache issue).
10:27 < rxr> so, now the sparc iso should be ready to go
10:27 < rxr> an nope, a wm is missing
10:28 < mnemoc> moin
10:28 < mipe_> hi mnemoc
10:29 < mnemoc> mi mipe_
10:29 < CIA-4> rene * r18035 /trunk/package/xorg/xf86-video-sunffb/cfb-less-HEAD-fix.patch: 
10:29 < CIA-4> * merged sunffb changes from x.org HEAD to avoid the cfb dependency
10:29 < CIA-4>  wich was not auto loaded and thus required manual corg.conf module
10:29 < CIA-4>  load hardcoding, a no-go ...
10:52 < CIA-4> rene * r18036 /trunk/misc/target/initrd.in: 
10:52 < CIA-4> * improved target initrd extension message, title at the top
10:52 < CIA-4>  and no over long lines
11:17 < mnemoc> rxr: twm?
11:18 < mnemoc> rxr: and blackbox for minimal-desktop?
11:20 < mnemoc> rxr: or fluxbox
11:21 < rxr> well, I do not know anyone who would like to use twm if not forced with a gun or so ...
11:21 < mnemoc> neither do i
11:22 < mnemoc> but it is the real 'classic' of X11
11:22 < mnemoc> but ok, and *box should be ok i think
11:25 < mnemoc> what difference do you see between a minimal-x and a minimal-desktop?
11:25 < mnemoc> i would no place any wm on minimal-x
11:27 < rxr> well minimal brings up x with xterm ...
11:27 < rxr> but to x there need to be a window manager when you do not want a xinit one-xterm a-like use-case ...
11:28 < rxr> minimal-desktop has just some more x programs and graphic libraries ...
11:28 < mnemoc> i have always seen minimal-x as a base to build up to the real wm people want to use
11:28 < mnemoc> not as a final product
11:28 < mnemoc> ic
11:31 < rxr> well, just that one wm should be included ,-)
11:32 < rxr> especially if people use it for bootstrapping their final system to escape their current crap OS...
11:32 < mnemoc> uhm, ack
11:33 < rxr> I like blackbox most of the blackbox forked of projects, specially the current default theme is ok
11:33 < rxr> I think icewm looks ugly by default and twm is pure crap ...
11:33 < rxr> well fvwm - but I never got used to that ...
11:33 < rxr> what do you vote for
11:33 < mnemoc> .oO
11:34 < mnemoc> how is the defautl fluxbox?
11:54 < rxr> the last time I look not that nice
11:55 < rxr> also blackbox is the stable base all forked off ...
11:55 < rxr> anyway, there is a lesstif-mwm or so also ...
11:55 < rxr> I'll look what that is ...
12:05 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/2.2.0-rc/minimal-sparc64-v9vis/
12:05 < mnemoc> any news from minto?
12:06 < rxr> not in my scrollback AFACS
12:07 < rxr> seems the list favour fluxbox ,-)
12:07 < mnemoc> :)
12:13 < rxr> well, lesstif-wmw or what is was sucks even more than our twm default configuration ...
12:16 < mipe_> damm openafs is getting bit painfull to set up
12:17 < mnemoc> mipe_: i would go for coda instead of openafs
12:18 < CIA-4> rene * r18037 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/ (10-minimal-xorg.in 50-minimal-desktop.in): 
12:18 < CIA-4> * removed rxvt-unicode from the pkgsel/10-minimal-xorg.in and added
12:18 < CIA-4>  fluxbox as real windowmanager
12:18 < CIA-4> * removed lesstif form pkgsel/50-minimal-desktop.in as it already
12:18 < CIA-4>  is in the pkgsel/10-minimal-xorg.in
12:18 < rxr> mnemoc: are you sure? have you tried coda ?
12:19 < mnemoc> rxr: nope, but the comments i got some years ago were to skip openafs
12:21 < CIA-4> rene * r18038 /trunk/package/base/embutils/ls-gcc-4.1-sparc-mis-opt.patch: * work around gcc-4.1 on sparc64 miscompilation of embutils/ls
12:21 < rxr> I would not try to employ coda in a company
12:22 < rxr> especially if they might need more than Linux - also the setup is simillar complex and the coda development is kind of stalled, though some hardcode uni people try to keep it alive
12:24  * rxr going to update my most main SPARC, from:
12:24 < rxr> ROCK Linux 2.0.0-beta5 (2003/06/27) - Linux 2.6.1
12:27 < mipe_> mnemoc: they chose openafs, because of having linux,mac and windows servers and clients
12:28 < mnemoc> mipe_: :(
12:40 < rxr> yeah that is usuflly fun to setup, coda supports them all, but I doubt the performance will look any good, and I would not bet on the stability
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12:58  * sparc-kly downloading  iso of sparc64 25%@49.3kb/s :)
12:59 < rxr> test on Ultra5 and Ultra30, what do you have?
13:00 < rxr> though on U5 X does not come up on the Ati chip :-(
13:00 < rxr> it usually did before, but tracking that is left for another day
13:01 < sparc-kly> U5 and U2 
13:03 < rxr> hm, never touched an U2 ,-)
13:03 < rxr> guess the U5 with on-board Ati mach64 (or so) chip ?
13:03 < rxr> sparc-kly: please post results ,-)
13:08 < sparc-kly> my U5 have ati chip onboard and PGX32 video card 
13:12 < sparc-kly> rxr: http://dev.gentoo.org/~gustavoz/sparc/configs/xorg.conf-u5-onboard-ati-2.6 
13:16 < rxr> the problem is not the config, that should be trivial and that gentoo one is overloaded, but that X.org freezes during PCI probing ...
13:16 < rxr> but can give it a try ...
13:21 < rxr> hm, on another U5 X does not freeze on PCI probing ..
13:21 < rxr> whatever, I'm waiting for your comments
13:22 < rxr> sparc-kly: you have my mail address when you might wanna contact me when I'm not here ?
13:36 < sparc-kly> yes 
13:37 < sparc-kly> sparc iso @ 65%  :)
13:44 < rxr> on the other U5 box the ati driver works better
13:46 < rxr> oh, /me was confused
13:46 < rxr> on the 2nd box the driver appears to work, you only have to manually fill in the Monitor section since it can not be auto-detected
13:49 < sparc-kly> lol
13:49 < rxr> though I fear X11R7 is not perfectly stable on sparc64
13:49 < rxr> we'll see
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14:07 < morfoh> moin
14:11 < karasz> moin kommrad
14:19 < morfoh> moin tavarish
14:19 < morfoh> :)
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17:15 < CIA-4> rene * r18040 /branches/2.2/package/xorg/xf86-video-sunffb/cfb-less-HEAD-fix.patch: 
17:15 < CIA-4> * merged r18035 from trunk to branches/2.2: sunffb changes from x.org
17:15 < CIA-4>  HEAD
17:18 < CIA-4> rene * r18041 /branches/2.2/package/xorg/xorg-server/xcfgt2.sh: 
17:18 < CIA-4> * merged r18026, r18027, r18028 and r18030 from trunk to branches/2.2:
17:18 < CIA-4>  various xcftt2 improvements for non-x86 architectures, including
17:18 < CIA-4>  sysfs attribute based card and mode detection and vesa fallback for
17:18 < CIA-4>  x86-64
17:27 < CIA-4> rene * r18042 /branches/2.2/package/base/dietlibc/ (6 files): 
17:27 < CIA-4> * merged r18011, r18012, r18013, r18014, r18015 and r18016 from trunk
17:27 < CIA-4>  to branches/2.2: various sparc and sparc64 fixes to make dietlibc
17:27 < CIA-4>  actually work at all on sparc
17:30 < CIA-4> rene * r18043 /branches/2.2/package/sparc/silo/ (5 files): 
17:30 < CIA-4> * merged r18017 and r18029 from trunk to stable/2.2: silo stone
17:30 < CIA-4>  module and fix not to crash some OPB when booting from CD
17:33 < CIA-4> rene * r18044 /branches/2.2/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: * merged r18009 from trunk to branches/2.2: fix sparc64 kernel build
17:51 < CIA-4> rene * r18045 /branches/2.2/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in: 
17:51 < CIA-4> * merged r18008 from trunk to branches/2.2: removed code fragments of
17:51 < CIA-4>  long gone sparc config options from linux-conf.in
17:55 < CIA-4> rene * r18046 /branches/2.2/architecture/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
17:55 < CIA-4> * merged r17983, r17984, r17986, r17994, r17998 and r17999 from trunk
17:55 < CIA-4>  to branches/2.2: all architecture/sparc* fixes, including boot-code,
17:55 < CIA-4>  kernel config (for defconfig-less T2 kernel builds) and 32/64
17:55 < CIA-4>  multilib control changes
18:00 < CIA-4> rene * r18047 /branches/2.2/package/sparc/silo/ (silo.desc u10-timer.patch): * merged r17911 from trunk to branches/2.2: updated silo (1.4.11 -> 1.4.12)
18:07 < CIA-4> rene * r18048 / (16 files in 6 dirs): 
18:07 < CIA-4> * merged r17921, r17922, r17923, r17924, r17925, r17926, r17927 and
18:07 < CIA-4>  r17928 from trunk to stable/2.2: third party kernel module fixup
18:07 < CIA-4>  round, including let nvidia-legacy register itself (not the other
18:07 < CIA-4>  nvidia package), some fixed packages such as rt2500 and rt2570
18:07 < CIA-4>  and disabling some others lazyfs, cloop, rivatv
18:14 < CIA-4> rene * r18049 /branches/2.2/package/x86/microcode_ctl/devfs.patch: * merged r17930 from trunk to branches/2.2: removed microcode_ctl/devfs.patch
18:25 < CIA-4> rene * r18050 /branches/2.2/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
18:25 < CIA-4> * merged r17910, r17917, r17950, r17958, r17974 and r18036 from
18:25 < CIA-4>  trunk to branches/2.2: collection of textual prettification:
18:25 < CIA-4>  Download rate unit, target initrd extension output, ccache
18:25 < CIA-4>  config entry and help as well as a trimmed copright header
18:25 < CIA-4>  in the crontab
18:30 < CIA-4> rene * r18051 /branches/2.2/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
18:30 < CIA-4> * merged rr17917 and r17918 from trunk to branches/2.2: more
18:30 < CIA-4>  prettification, x86* config entries and expert option
18:30 < CIA-4>  streamlining
18:37 < CIA-4> rene * r18052 /branches/2.2/target/generic/pkgsel/ (00-minimal.in 10-minimal-xorg.in 50-minimal-desktop.in): 
18:37 < CIA-4> * merged r17913, r17948, r17993 and r18037 from trunk to branches/2.2:
18:37 < CIA-4>  target/generic/pkgsel improvements
18:45 < CIA-4> rene * r18053 /branches/2.2/target/share/install/build_stage2.sh: 
18:45 < CIA-4> * merged r18018 from trunk to branches/2.2: workarounded the install
18:45 < CIA-4>  image generation for sparc64 with 32bit user-space, add glibc32
18:45 < rxr> so, that looks like the most important bits,
18:45 < rxr> mnemoc: you dietlibc package patches look wothwile, likewise
18:46 < rxr> mnemoc: do you propose to have them in 2.2? I thin the package versions of the affected packages are equal and thus they should match
18:47 < mnemoc> rxr: i think they are harmless, so yes
18:49 < mnemoc> rxr: did you look at the args duplication i showed you?
18:50 < rxr> not intensively
19:01 < mnemoc> also 1-perl on diet keeps screaming (trunk:HEAD) about crypto (and others after that) and about some symbols of libm if i force it to look at the sandbox for the headers~
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21:56 < rxr> hi sepp 
22:12 < CIA-4> rene * r18054 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg.conf.example: * added an quite advanced synaptics example to our xorg.conf.example
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