--- Log opened Mon Jun 12 00:00:18 2006 00:02 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.144.209.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 00:10 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@e178040236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:21 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.132.6.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:32 -!- idealm [n=ideal@218.82.57.125] has joined #t2 00:54 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.192] has joined #t2 01:05 -!- idealm [n=ideal@218.82.57.125] has quit [Connection timed out] 01:15 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.91] has joined #t2 03:23 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E11561.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 03:37 -!- mtr [n=Michael@pD9E13270.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:37 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 05:24 -!- mipe_ [n=mikapesu@fw.abako.fi] has joined #t2 06:56 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.105.152] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:14 < rxr> re 07:15 < mipe_> hi rxr 07:15 < mipe_> and all 07:20 < rxr> hey mipe_ ,-) 07:41 < mipe_> damm its awfull to convert sybase to mysql :( 07:41 < rxr> heh 07:46 -!- veki [n=vedran@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has joined #t2 08:55 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@e178040236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 08:55 < morfoh> hi 09:18 -!- mipe_ [n=mikapesu@fw.abako.fi] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 09:39 -!- mipe_ [n=mikapesu@fw.abako.fi] has joined #t2 09:50 -!- morfoh_ [n=morfoh@e178008004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 09:54 -!- mipe_ [n=mikapesu@fw.abako.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:55 -!- mipe_ [n=mikapesu@fw.abako.fi] has joined #t2 10:04 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@e178040236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:04 -!- morfoh_ is now known as morfoh 10:13 -!- idealm [n=ideal@222.66.46.91] has quit [Success] 10:20 < CIA-7> rene * r17899 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/inittab: * added new notify daemon to the archivista inittab 10:20 -!- idealm [n=ideal@218.82.57.125] has joined #t2 10:27 < rxr> appears the summer is now comming, months delayed ... oh well 10:41 < mnemoc> rxr: hi, can the reading confirmations requests be auto-removed by the list? 10:46 < rxr> reading confirmation ? 10:49 < mnemoc> Disposition-Notification-To: 10:49 < rxr> whoe sent one? my apple mail ? 10:49 < rxr> and yep, since it is perl code removing should not be too hard 10:50 < mnemoc> i did :\ 10:50 * rxr hopes apple mail does not sent the photo from me the mac did from the built-in isight with each mail 10:51 < mnemoc> *g* 10:51 < rxr> at least apple mail displays it for each mail from me ... :-( 10:51 * rxr should check that soon 10:51 < rxr> unfortunatly I do no longer find "view source" in the latest version of this beast softwar e... 10:58 < rxr> so, 2.2 branch then, right? 10:59 < mnemoc> as we got the -rc, i think so 11:08 -!- sanketmedhi [n=sanketme@221.128.138.74] has joined #t2 11:09 -!- sanketmedhi [n=sanketme@221.128.138.74] has quit [Client Quit] 11:15 [Users #t2] 11:15 [@ChanServ] [ idealm] [ Lucifer_arma] [ morfoh] [ sepp_ ] [ valentin ] 11:15 [ CIA-7 ] [ laj_ ] [ mipe_ ] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly] [ veki ] 11:15 [ dsoul ] [ LMJ ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ tdi ] [ _Ragnar__] 11:15 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 11:18 -!- acehunky [n=chat_jok@221.128.138.74] has joined #t2 11:19 < acehunky> moin guys 11:19 < acehunky> n gals :) 11:19 < mnemoc> moin acehunky 11:19 < mnemoc> .oO( gals? )o 11:20 < rxr> moin acehunky 11:22 < acehunky> frappr shows any gals on T2 ? 11:22 < acehunky> linuxchicks@t2 ?? 11:25 < mnemoc> LMJ is french :) 12:14 < tdi> re 12:14 < tdi> morfoh: hi 12:14 < morfoh> hi tdi 12:18 < mnemoc> wb tdi 12:23 < tdi> mnemoc: hi 13:04 -!- mipe_ [n=mikapesu@fw.abako.fi] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:40 -!- acehunky [n=chat_jok@221.128.138.74] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:29 -!- madtux [n=miguel@201.199.56.78] has joined #t2 14:29 -!- madtux [n=miguel@201.199.56.78] has quit [Client Quit] 14:47 < mnemoc> .oO 14:56 < LMJ> hello mnemoc ;) 14:56 < LMJ> yes, french from france ;) 15:00 < mnemoc> so a galli :) 15:01 < mnemoc> gallo :\ 15:01 < mnemoc> or however that is written 15:11 < LMJ> gaullois ? 15:11 < mnemoc> is that singular? 15:12 < LMJ> yes 15:12 < mnemoc> :) 15:13 < mnemoc> and to fill the hole, what'S the plural? 15:13 < LMJ> the same ;) 15:13 < mnemoc> doh 15:13 < mnemoc> thanks :) 15:13 < LMJ> you are welcome 15:14 < LMJ> let me learn you more about french ;) 15:14 < mnemoc> teach :p 15:14 < LMJ> whatever you want ;) 15:15 < mnemoc> :D 15:15 < LMJ> "J'aime T2" = I love T2 ;) 15:16 < mnemoc> *G* 15:30 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.144.209.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 15:49 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.144.209.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:04 < rxr> ouhm, the sparc is still building 1-linux26 ... :-(( ... 16:05 < rxr> MPlayer 1.0pre8 16:08 < rxr> curl 7.15.4 16:13 < rxr> http://www.unixlite.org/ 16:58 -!- veki [n=vedran@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has quit ["leaving"] 17:18 < CIA-7> amery * r17900 /trunk/package/security/openssh/openssh.postinstall: * added openssh.postinstall to create the keys after installation if no keys are already there, like we do for dropbear 17:26 < rxr> ehrm ? 17:26 < rxr> I think we should let the user/admin control this, that is why we have it in the stone module 17:29 < mnemoc> if it has to be done on every installation on exactly the same way, why not automatize it? reducing the complexity of the installation process 17:30 < rxr> I don't think preparing remote login services is part of the install process and wanted on most machines 17:30 < rxr> at least you could have ask on the list as you demand from me likewise 17:31 < mnemoc> pff 17:31 < rxr> democraty just for a few ? 17:31 < mnemoc> if you consider the change has that level of importance i'll revert it 17:31 < mnemoc> sorry 17:31 < rxr> well seconds around the 2.2 branch this change is a bit strange 17:32 < rxr> maybe at least drop a note to the list 17:32 < rxr> I'll not force you to revert yet 17:32 < CIA-7> amery * r17901 /trunk/package/security/openssh/openssh.postinstall: * removed openssh.postinstall because it has to be voted 17:32 < rxr> at least let use see if we get some other votes form external people about this 17:32 < mnemoc> so make the branch, becasue trunk is trunk 17:32 < rxr> e.g. debian does keygen in the init script if they are not there - which I find even more strange 17:33 < CIA-7> rene * r17902 /branches/2.2/: * branched 2.2 17:34 < mnemoc> thanks 17:34 < rxr> what is the ID of 2.1, 2.1-trunk ? 17:34 < mnemoc> 2.1-stable, because the thing there *work* 17:35 < rxr> heh, I can give you a dozent configs that do not 17:35 < rxr> e.g. try it on sparc or ppc64 17:35 < rxr> not to mention that gnome does not work in it 17:35 < rxr> icons missing and applications crashing all the time 17:36 < mnemoc> i'll not argue with you why 2.2 is not stable and why gnome is unmaintained 17:36 < mnemoc> i don't want to fight anything 17:36 < rxr> gnome is unmaintained ? 17:36 < mnemoc> you got the power back, for me you can keep it 17:37 < rxr> err ? 17:37 < rxr> that is why morfoh freaked out ... - tss 17:37 < rxr> the release name was meant compared to other distributions, not anyone here ... 17:38 * rxr wondering how all those thouths come into your mind ... 17:39 < rxr> and the release name 2nd.ly is inspired from Rage Against the Machines - Get the power back ... 17:39 < rxr> but when you get release codename as personal afront ... 17:40 < rxr> e.g. this damn slow sparc still building on 1-linux26, /me kicks the box ... 17:40 < rxr> slow beast .... 17:42 < CIA-7> rene * r17903 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * bumped version to 2.3-trunk 17:44 < _Ragnar__> rxr: I'm strongly in favor of generating the host keys on postinstall when they are not present 17:45 < rxr> _Ragnar__: I'm mostly scared about e.g. debian regen on each init if missing, what is other common practise? e.g. Open, FreeBSD or stuff like RedHat ? 17:46 < rxr> and if we do so, on postinstall, do we remove the stone entry ? 17:46 < _Ragnar__> no regen on boot is bad 17:47 < rxr> or at least let the stone reuse the code and call the postinstall ... 17:47 < _Ragnar__> no ... the admin might want to regen the keys for some reason 17:47 < _Ragnar__> yea that's possible 17:47 < rxr> are those postinstall scripts integreated correctly in t2 ? 17:48 < rxr> mine and Emerge install ?, at least Emerge not yet 17:48 < mnemoc> i proposed a change on postinstalls long ago 17:48 < _Ragnar__> what change? 17:48 < mnemoc> 'for myself' and 'for every other package' 17:49 < mnemoc> /var/adm/postinstall/$pkg to me executed on mine and Emerge-Pkg after $pkg is installed 17:49 < mnemoc> and /etc/postinstall.d/$handler $pkg 17:49 < rxr> at least with gasgui it must run at the end, otherwise e.g. openssh might not yet it's libc ... 17:49 < rxr> I think gasgui and/or the stone module runs them at the end 17:50 < mnemoc> in the first isntallation it has to be different, of course 17:50 < mnemoc> delayed 17:52 < mnemoc> also preinstall for backing up tasks 17:52 < mnemoc> or dumping or whatever 17:53 < mnemoc> anyway /etc/postinstall.d is an ugly place for scripts 17:53 < rxr> the thing is, how far do we want to go, quickly such mechanisms become a mess as i debian, where they have db and config file converters that barely work, bitrott like nothing and often screw up the files beyond believe ... 17:53 < mnemoc> should the filter be on what features do we support or how complex scripts do we accept on t2-generic ? 17:54 < _Ragnar__> I don't think we should try automatic conversions 17:54 < mnemoc> no convertions, but dumps and backups... can be safe to have 17:54 < _Ragnar__> how about just backing up config and then showing the diffs like in gentoo? 17:54 < mnemoc> we do that 17:55 < _Ragnar__> we do? o_o 17:55 * _Ragnar__ never noticed 17:55 < mnemoc> backup all changed files and overwrite after installing 17:55 < rxr> what I find way more important than the posinstall stuff that mostly just needs to be added to Emerge and/or single mine installs is a strong alternative systems 17:55 < rxr> that would also of more value for users, I think 17:56 < _Ragnar__> alternative system? 17:56 < mnemoc> two pacakges doing the same job, you pick one 17:56 < rxr> for the java implementation, print and mail server alternatives 17:56 < rxr> currently that mostly sucks in t2 17:56 < _Ragnar__> oooh ok yea 17:56 < rxr> especially the old print and mail hacks from rock 1.7 tmes 17:56 < rxr> tmes 17:56 < rxr> times, damn 17:57 < mnemoc> funny scripts noone use :p 17:57 < mnemoc> making symlinks 17:57 < mnemoc> noone know i mean 18:02 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, i think the stone module should not exist. to me the key has to be postinstall, and to enable the service we have the init module 18:02 < CIA-7> rene * r17904 /branches/2.2/scripts/parse-config: * changed branch/2.2 version to 2.2-stable 18:02 < mnemoc> rxr: the openssh module 18:02 < rxr> maybe drop a note to the list and see 18:03 < rxr> maybe at least let it there for older users and put a info at the top that the keys are now postinstalled and let it call the postinstall script for key regen 18:06 < mnemoc> postinstall was only generating if they were not here, so it was not designed to be called for 'regen' 18:09 < mnemoc> brb 18:09 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@216.241.24.10] has quit ["leaving"] 18:16 < CIA-7> rene * r17905 /trunk/package/network/curl/curl.desc: * updated curl (7.15.3 -> 7.15.4) 18:20 < rxr> hm, if I would have a https aware svn on my sparc I could commit a glibc and linux26 update 18:20 < rxr> (the later containing years demanded vital sparc fixes, including d-cache trashing fixes ...) 18:21 < rxr> too bad that has to wait until some timeslots on the aging machine are free to build a new svn clent ... 18:21 < rxr> sigh 18:21 < rxr> building with gcc-4.1 on a 270 MHz box is no fun at all 18:22 < _Ragnar__> ouch 18:23 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@kilo105.server4you.de] has joined #t2 18:24 < rxr> hello kilo105 18:24 < rxr> mnemoc: when the state of the .cl mirrors changes to life again, please drop me a note 18:25 < mnemoc> ok 18:25 < rxr> I removed them from the mirror list to increase the percent of failure people see ... 18:25 < mnemoc> ack 18:25 < rxr> percent of success that is ... 18:25 * rxr too much gcc on osx fight today ... 18:25 < rxr> and the worst, I have not yet won it :-( 18:25 < mnemoc> :\ 18:25 < rxr> anyway one server with the immense thruput is not really official 18:25 < rxr> I rather like to see some more mirros up again 18:26 < mnemoc> http://dl.geeks.cl/t2/mirror/$sdever is up 18:27 < rxr> for a longer time (I just ask to avoid editing the file every 2nd daz ...)? what was the problem? 18:28 < mnemoc> the chileans machines are not providing the mirroring right now, that one is at .de 18:29 < rxr> ah, internation people will be afraight 18:31 < rxr> since some seconds we also have 2.3 ... 18:32 < mnemoc> 2.2-stable and 2.3-trunk are the new sdever? 18:34 < rxr> yep 18:34 * rxr just preparing the master mirror for that 18:35 < mnemoc> dl.geeks.cl updated 18:35 < mnemoc> brb 18:51 -!- idealm [n=ideal@218.82.57.125] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:29 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178189234.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 19:29 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.2.0-rc RELEASED | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 19:29 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Fri Jun 2 17:55:27 2006] 19:29 [Users #t2] 19:29 [@ChanServ] [ laj_ ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] [ _Ragnar__] 19:29 [ CIA-7 ] [ LMJ ] [ morfoh] [ rxr_] [ tdi ] 19:29 [ dsoul ] [ Lucifer_arma] [ mtr ] [ sepp] [ valentin ] 19:29 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 19:29 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 19:29 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 19:30 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 37 secs 19:38 -!- acehunky [n=chat_jok@59.184.28.35] has joined #t2 19:39 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178136048.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:07 < rxr_> re 20:07 -!- You're now known as rxr 20:28 < rxr> for 2.3 ? 20:30 < rxr> mnemoc: on your mirror, 2.2-trunk no longer exists now 20:32 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 58865.000 20:32 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 59547.000 20:32 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 84718.000 20:32 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 69140.000 20:34 < mnemoc> oh 20:36 < mnemoc> i hope to be able to convert that dl.geeks.cl into {de,cl}{1,2}.dl.geeks.cl in the next weeks 20:38 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=dave@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:38 < mnemoc> 4 germany servers looks ugly :\ 20:39 < rxr> maybe it motivates foreigners to donate server space as well ,-))) 20:39 * rxr fears I have to rate limit the annon backkup store ... 20:40 < rxr> is the server4you box rate limitted or is that it's native speed ? 20:42 < rxr> from within the DFN, not at a t-dsl: 20:42 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 287438.596 20:42 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 1074360.656 20:42 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 356173.913 20:42 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 125788.868 20:42 < mnemoc> the machine is plugged to a 10Mbps interface 20:42 < rxr> oeh ? 20:42 < rxr> 10 or 100 ? 20:43 < mnemoc> 10 20:43 < rxr> uh ? 20:43 < mnemoc> it's the restriction of the 'flatrate' service 20:43 < rxr> low-level rate limitting I assume ,-) 20:43 < mnemoc> yep :\ 20:44 < rxr> well, doesn't really matter anyway 21:07 -!- Lucifer_arma [n=dave@user-0vvdcf9.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #t2 21:08 < Lucifer_arma> no kopete? 21:09 < mnemoc> isn't it part of kdenetwork? 21:10 < Lucifer_arma> why does kdenetwork have to install gtk? 21:10 < Lucifer_arma> umm, I don't know where kopete is, I always thought it was in its own package. 21:10 < Lucifer_arma> kmail is here, though 21:10 < Lucifer_arma> konversation, too. 21:11 < Lucifer_arma> so I'm Emerge-Pkg kdenetwork, we'll see if kopete appears :) 21:11 < Lucifer_arma> also, I seem to have inherited an old k menu structure from a mandriva installation that was hidden in the Kubuntu installation. Now it's reappeared in t2. 21:11 < Lucifer_arma> the only thing shared amongst all three is my home partition, so presumably it's something in my home directory. 21:11 < Lucifer_arma> any idea how to clear it out and let t2's menu appear? 21:12 < mnemoc> Lucifer_arma: wait for rxr, he use kde 21:12 < Lucifer_arma> ok, thanks 21:21 < mnemoc> rxr: i think you should send a mail to announce the sdever at trunk changed, so they have to rename their build/* if they don't want to silently start building from 0 again 22:06 < mnemoc> rxr: interesting detail about the builddir rename is that the compiler at toolsdir gets broken 22:40 < Lucifer_arma> in mnemosyne, does wireless networking include ndiswrapper? 22:42 < mnemoc> nope 22:42 < Lucifer_arma> umm, does mnemosyne include kde? ;? 22:43 < mnemoc> currently very minimal 22:43 < mnemoc> one approach is what karasz did, pkgsel kde/* 22:43 < mnemoc> the other is it complete the KDE modules to have basic and complete support :p 22:44 < Lucifer_arma> well, I'm afraid I don't have time right now for either approach. :( Long story, but basically I'm looking to start a fresh build with hopefully updated t2 sources 22:44 < Lucifer_arma> I thrashed my kubuntu partition, and my choice is to finish the switch to t2 or reformat and reinstall, since Kubuntu has no way to recover from what happened to it 22:45 < mnemoc> if you like kde, the desktop releases for 2.2.0-rc can be for you 22:45 < Lucifer_arma> since I'm inclined to finish the switch due to the fact that Kubuntu requires a reinstall and that puts it in a class with Windows, I'm starting a t2 build :) 22:45 < Lucifer_arma> well, I had an svn checkout. I suppose I could download the rc... 22:45 < mnemoc> if you are working with svn, go for the 2.2-stable branch 22:45 < Lucifer_arma> I'd prefer to switch to the branch if there is one, though 22:46 < Lucifer_arma> but I admit, I'm a rookie with svn 22:46 < Lucifer_arma> no idea how to change a working checkout to a branch 22:46 < mnemoc> you just need to know how to svn co and how to svn up periodictly 22:46 < mnemoc> svn switch does that 22:46 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@e178008004.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:46 < Lucifer_arma> got a commandline handy for that? :) 22:47 < mnemoc> get an svn info | grep URL of your curretn checkout for me please 22:48 < Lucifer_arma> URL: http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk 22:48 < mnemoc> svn switch http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.2 . 22:49 < Lucifer_arma> hmm, it didn't want the first argument there, the one after switch 22:50 < mnemoc> so just the destiny :p 22:50 < Lucifer_arma> thanks :) 22:50 < mnemoc> --relocate needs both 22:56 < mnemoc> brb 22:56 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@kilo105.server4you.de] has quit ["leaving"] 22:56 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@kilo105.server4you.de] has joined #t2 23:08 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@kilo105.server4you.de] has quit ["leaving"] 23:08 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@kilo105.server4you.de] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Tue Jun 13 00:00:25 2006