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07:14 < rxr> re
07:15 < mipe_> hi rxr
07:15 < mipe_> and all
07:20 < rxr> hey mipe_ ,-)
07:41 < mipe_> damm its awfull to convert sybase to mysql :(
07:41 < rxr> heh
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08:55 < morfoh> hi
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10:20 < CIA-7> rene * r17899 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/inittab: * added new notify daemon to the archivista inittab
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10:27 < rxr> appears the summer is now comming, months delayed ... oh well
10:41 < mnemoc> rxr: hi, can the reading confirmations requests be auto-removed by the list?
10:46 < rxr> reading confirmation ?
10:49 < mnemoc> Disposition-Notification-To:
10:49 < rxr> whoe sent one? my apple mail ?
10:49 < rxr> and yep, since it is perl code removing should not be too hard
10:50 < mnemoc> i did :\
10:50 * rxr hopes apple mail does not sent the photo from me the mac did from the built-in isight with each mail
10:51 < mnemoc> *g*
10:51 < rxr> at least apple mail displays it for each mail from me ... :-(
10:51 * rxr should check that soon
10:51 < rxr> unfortunatly I do no longer find "view source" in the latest version of this beast softwar e...
10:58 < rxr> so, 2.2 branch then, right?
10:59 < mnemoc> as we got the -rc, i think so
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11:15 [ dsoul ] [ LMJ ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ tdi ] [ _Ragnar__]
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11:19 < acehunky> moin guys
11:19 < acehunky> n gals :)
11:19 < mnemoc> moin acehunky
11:19 < mnemoc> .oO( gals? )o
11:20 < rxr> moin acehunky
11:22 < acehunky> frappr shows any gals on T2 ?
11:22 < acehunky> linuxchicks@t2 ??
11:25 < mnemoc> LMJ is french :)
12:14 < tdi> re
12:14 < tdi> morfoh: hi
12:14 < morfoh> hi tdi
12:18 < mnemoc> wb tdi
12:23 < tdi> mnemoc: hi
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14:47 < mnemoc> .oO
14:56 < LMJ> hello mnemoc ;)
14:56 < LMJ> yes, french from france ;)
15:00 < mnemoc> so a galli :)
15:01 < mnemoc> gallo :\
15:01 < mnemoc> or however that is written
15:11 < LMJ> gaullois ?
15:11 < mnemoc> is that singular?
15:12 < LMJ> yes
15:12 < mnemoc> :)
15:13 < mnemoc> and to fill the hole, what'S the plural?
15:13 < LMJ> the same ;)
15:13 < mnemoc> doh
15:13 < mnemoc> thanks :)
15:13 < LMJ> you are welcome
15:14 < LMJ> let me learn you more about french ;)
15:14 < mnemoc> teach :p
15:14 < LMJ> whatever you want ;)
15:15 < mnemoc> :D
15:15 < LMJ> "J'aime T2" = I love T2 ;)
15:16 < mnemoc> *G*
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16:04 < rxr> ouhm, the sparc is still building 1-linux26 ... :-(( ...
16:05 < rxr> MPlayer 1.0pre8
16:08 < rxr> curl 7.15.4
16:13 < rxr> http://www.unixlite.org/
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17:18 < CIA-7> amery * r17900 /trunk/package/security/openssh/openssh.postinstall: * added openssh.postinstall to create the keys after installation if no keys are already there, like we do for dropbear
17:26 < rxr> ehrm ?
17:26 < rxr> I think we should let the user/admin control this, that is why we have it in the stone module
17:29 < mnemoc> if it has to be done on every installation on exactly the same way, why not automatize it? reducing the complexity of the installation process
17:30 < rxr> I don't think preparing remote login services is part of the install process and wanted on most machines
17:30 < rxr> at least you could have ask on the list as you demand from me likewise
17:31 < mnemoc> pff
17:31 < rxr> democraty just for a few ?
17:31 < mnemoc> if you consider the change has that level of importance i'll revert it
17:31 < mnemoc> sorry
17:31 < rxr> well seconds around the 2.2 branch this change is a bit strange
17:32 < rxr> maybe at least drop a note to the list
17:32 < rxr> I'll not force you to revert yet
17:32 < CIA-7> amery * r17901 /trunk/package/security/openssh/openssh.postinstall: * removed openssh.postinstall because it has to be voted
17:32 < rxr> at least let use see if we get some other votes form external people about this
17:32 < mnemoc> so make the branch, becasue trunk is trunk
17:32 < rxr> e.g. debian does keygen in the init script if they are not there - which I find even more strange
17:33 < CIA-7> rene * r17902 /branches/2.2/: * branched 2.2
17:34 < mnemoc> thanks
17:34 < rxr> what is the ID of 2.1, 2.1-trunk ?
17:34 < mnemoc> 2.1-stable, because the thing there *work*
17:35 < rxr> heh, I can give you a dozent configs that do not
17:35 < rxr> e.g. try it on sparc or ppc64
17:35 < rxr> not to mention that gnome does not work in it
17:35 < rxr> icons missing and applications crashing all the time
17:36 < mnemoc> i'll not argue with you why 2.2 is not stable and why gnome is unmaintained
17:36 < mnemoc> i don't want to fight anything
17:36 < rxr> gnome is unmaintained ?
17:36 < mnemoc> you got the power back, for me you can keep it
17:37 < rxr> err ?
17:37 < rxr> that is why morfoh freaked out ... - tss
17:37 < rxr> the release name was meant compared to other distributions, not anyone here ...
17:38 * rxr wondering how all those thouths come into your mind ...
17:39 < rxr> and the release name 2nd.ly is inspired from Rage Against the Machines - Get the power back ...
17:39 < rxr> but when you get release codename as personal afront ...
17:40 < rxr> e.g. this damn slow sparc still building on 1-linux26, /me kicks the box ...
17:40 < rxr> slow beast ....
17:42 < CIA-7> rene * r17903 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * bumped version to 2.3-trunk
17:44 < _Ragnar__> rxr: I'm strongly in favor of generating the host keys on postinstall when they are not present
17:45 < rxr> _Ragnar__: I'm mostly scared about e.g. debian regen on each init if missing, what is other common practise? e.g. Open, FreeBSD or stuff like RedHat ?
17:46 < rxr> and if we do so, on postinstall, do we remove the stone entry ?
17:46 < _Ragnar__> no regen on boot is bad
17:47 < rxr> or at least let the stone reuse the code and call the postinstall ...
17:47 < _Ragnar__> no ... the admin might want to regen the keys for some reason
17:47 < _Ragnar__> yea that's possible
17:47 < rxr> are those postinstall scripts integreated correctly in t2 ?
17:48 < rxr> mine and Emerge install ?, at least Emerge not yet
17:48 < mnemoc> i proposed a change on postinstalls long ago
17:48 < _Ragnar__> what change?
17:48 < mnemoc> 'for myself' and 'for every other package'
17:49 < mnemoc> /var/adm/postinstall/$pkg to me executed on mine and Emerge-Pkg after $pkg is installed
17:49 < mnemoc> and /etc/postinstall.d/$handler $pkg
17:49 < rxr> at least with gasgui it must run at the end, otherwise e.g. openssh might not yet it's libc ...
17:49 < rxr> I think gasgui and/or the stone module runs them at the end
17:50 < mnemoc> in the first isntallation it has to be different, of course
17:50 < mnemoc> delayed
17:52 < mnemoc> also preinstall for backing up tasks
17:52 < mnemoc> or dumping or whatever
17:53 < mnemoc> anyway /etc/postinstall.d is an ugly place for scripts
17:53 < rxr> the thing is, how far do we want to go, quickly such mechanisms become a mess as i debian, where they have db and config file converters that barely work, bitrott like nothing and often screw up the files beyond believe ...
17:53 < mnemoc> should the filter be on what features do we support or how complex scripts do we accept on t2-generic ?
17:54 < _Ragnar__> I don't think we should try automatic conversions
17:54 < mnemoc> no convertions, but dumps and backups... can be safe to have
17:54 < _Ragnar__> how about just backing up config and then showing the diffs like in gentoo?
17:54 < mnemoc> we do that
17:55 < _Ragnar__> we do? o_o
17:55 * _Ragnar__ never noticed
17:55 < mnemoc> backup all changed files and overwrite after installing
17:55 < rxr> what I find way more important than the posinstall stuff that mostly just needs to be added to Emerge and/or single mine installs is a strong alternative systems
17:55 < rxr> that would also of more value for users, I think
17:56 < _Ragnar__> alternative system?
17:56 < mnemoc> two pacakges doing the same job, you pick one
17:56 < rxr> for the java implementation, print and mail server alternatives
17:56 < rxr> currently that mostly sucks in t2
17:56 < _Ragnar__> oooh ok yea
17:56 < rxr> especially the old print and mail hacks from rock 1.7 tmes
17:56 < rxr> tmes
17:56 < rxr> times, damn
17:57 < mnemoc> funny scripts noone use :p
17:57 < mnemoc> making symlinks
17:57 < mnemoc> noone know i mean
18:02 < mnemoc> rxr: btw, i think the stone module should not exist. to me the key has to be postinstall, and to enable the service we have the init module
18:02 < CIA-7> rene * r17904 /branches/2.2/scripts/parse-config: * changed branch/2.2 version to 2.2-stable
18:02 < mnemoc> rxr: the openssh module
18:02 < rxr> maybe drop a note to the list and see
18:03 < rxr> maybe at least let it there for older users and put a info at the top that the keys are now postinstalled and let it call the postinstall script for key regen
18:06 < mnemoc> postinstall was only generating if they were not here, so it was not designed to be called for 'regen'
18:09 < mnemoc> brb
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18:16 < CIA-7> rene * r17905 /trunk/package/network/curl/curl.desc: * updated curl (7.15.3 -> 7.15.4)
18:20 < rxr> hm, if I would have a https aware svn on my sparc I could commit a glibc and linux26 update
18:20 < rxr> (the later containing years demanded vital sparc fixes, including d-cache trashing fixes ...)
18:21 < rxr> too bad that has to wait until some timeslots on the aging machine are free to build a new svn clent ...
18:21 < rxr> sigh
18:21 < rxr> building with gcc-4.1 on a 270 MHz box is no fun at all
18:22 < _Ragnar__> ouch
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18:24 < rxr> hello kilo105
18:24 < rxr> mnemoc: when the state of the .cl mirrors changes to life again, please drop me a note
18:25 < mnemoc> ok
18:25 < rxr> I removed them from the mirror list to increase the percent of failure people see ...
18:25 < mnemoc> ack
18:25 < rxr> percent of success that is ...
18:25 * rxr too much gcc on osx fight today ...
18:25 < rxr> and the worst, I have not yet won it :-(
18:25 < mnemoc> :\
18:25 < rxr> anyway one server with the immense thruput is not really official
18:25 < rxr> I rather like to see some more mirros up again
18:26 < mnemoc> http://dl.geeks.cl/t2/mirror/$sdever is up
18:27 < rxr> for a longer time (I just ask to avoid editing the file every 2nd daz ...)? what was the problem?
18:28 < mnemoc> the chileans machines are not providing the mirroring right now, that one is at .de
18:29 < rxr> ah, internation people will be afraight
18:31 < rxr> since some seconds we also have 2.3 ...
18:32 < mnemoc> 2.2-stable and 2.3-trunk are the new sdever?
18:34 < rxr> yep
18:34 * rxr just preparing the master mirror for that
18:35 < mnemoc> dl.geeks.cl updated
18:35 < mnemoc> brb
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20:07 < rxr_> re
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20:28 < rxr> for 2.3 ?
20:30 < rxr> mnemoc: on your mirror, 2.2-trunk no longer exists now
20:32 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 58865.000
20:32 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 59547.000
20:32 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 84718.000
20:32 < rxr> INFO: Testing http://dl.geeks.cl/ (HTTP)> ... ok 69140.000
20:34 < mnemoc> oh
20:36 < mnemoc> i hope to be able to convert that dl.geeks.cl into {de,cl}{1,2}.dl.geeks.cl in the next weeks
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20:38 < mnemoc> 4 germany servers looks ugly :\
20:39 < rxr> maybe it motivates foreigners to donate server space as well ,-)))
20:39 * rxr fears I have to rate limit the annon backkup store ...
20:40 < rxr> is the server4you box rate limitted or is that it's native speed ?
20:42 < rxr> from within the DFN, not at a t-dsl:
20:42 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 287438.596
20:42 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 1074360.656
20:42 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 356173.913
20:42 < rxr> INFO: Testing http://dl.geeks.cl/ (HTTP)> ... ok 125788.868
20:42 < mnemoc> the machine is plugged to a 10Mbps interface
20:42 < rxr> oeh ?
20:42 < rxr> 10 or 100 ?
20:43 < mnemoc> 10
20:43 < rxr> uh ?
20:43 < mnemoc> it's the restriction of the 'flatrate' service
20:43 < rxr> low-level rate limitting I assume ,-)
20:43 < mnemoc> yep :\
20:44 < rxr> well, doesn't really matter anyway
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21:08 < Lucifer_arma> no kopete?
21:09 < mnemoc> isn't it part of kdenetwork?
21:10 < Lucifer_arma> why does kdenetwork have to install gtk?
21:10 < Lucifer_arma> umm, I don't know where kopete is, I always thought it was in its own package.
21:10 < Lucifer_arma> kmail is here, though
21:10 < Lucifer_arma> konversation, too.
21:11 < Lucifer_arma> so I'm Emerge-Pkg kdenetwork, we'll see if kopete appears :)
21:11 < Lucifer_arma> also, I seem to have inherited an old k menu structure from a mandriva installation that was hidden in the Kubuntu installation. Now it's reappeared in t2.
21:11 < Lucifer_arma> the only thing shared amongst all three is my home partition, so presumably it's something in my home directory.
21:11 < Lucifer_arma> any idea how to clear it out and let t2's menu appear?
21:12 < mnemoc> Lucifer_arma: wait for rxr, he use kde
21:12 < Lucifer_arma> ok, thanks
21:21 < mnemoc> rxr: i think you should send a mail to announce the sdever at trunk changed, so they have to rename their build/* if they don't want to silently start building from 0 again
22:06 < mnemoc> rxr: interesting detail about the builddir rename is that the compiler at toolsdir gets broken
22:40 < Lucifer_arma> in mnemosyne, does wireless networking include ndiswrapper?
22:42 < mnemoc> nope
22:42 < Lucifer_arma> umm, does mnemosyne include kde? ;?
22:43 < mnemoc> currently very minimal
22:43 < mnemoc> one approach is what karasz did, pkgsel kde/*
22:43 < mnemoc> the other is it complete the KDE modules to have basic and complete support :p
22:44 < Lucifer_arma> well, I'm afraid I don't have time right now for either approach. :( Long story, but basically I'm looking to start a fresh build with hopefully updated t2 sources
22:44 < Lucifer_arma> I thrashed my kubuntu partition, and my choice is to finish the switch to t2 or reformat and reinstall, since Kubuntu has no way to recover from what happened to it
22:45 < mnemoc> if you like kde, the desktop releases for 2.2.0-rc can be for you
22:45 < Lucifer_arma> since I'm inclined to finish the switch due to the fact that Kubuntu requires a reinstall and that puts it in a class with Windows, I'm starting a t2 build :)
22:45 < Lucifer_arma> well, I had an svn checkout. I suppose I could download the rc...
22:45 < mnemoc> if you are working with svn, go for the 2.2-stable branch
22:45 < Lucifer_arma> I'd prefer to switch to the branch if there is one, though
22:46 < Lucifer_arma> but I admit, I'm a rookie with svn
22:46 < Lucifer_arma> no idea how to change a working checkout to a branch
22:46 < mnemoc> you just need to know how to svn co and how to svn up periodictly
22:46 < mnemoc> svn switch does that
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22:46 < Lucifer_arma> got a commandline handy for that? :)
22:47 < mnemoc> get an svn info | grep URL of your curretn checkout for me please
22:48 < Lucifer_arma> URL: http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
22:48 < mnemoc> svn switch http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.2 .
22:49 < Lucifer_arma> hmm, it didn't want the first argument there, the one after switch
22:50 < mnemoc> so just the destiny :p
22:50 < Lucifer_arma> thanks :)
22:50 < mnemoc> --relocate needs both
22:56 < mnemoc> brb
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