--- Log opened Wed Jun 07 00:00:47 2006 01:32 -!- LuciEatsPeople is now known as Lucifer_arma 01:32 * Lucifer_arma is back. 03:25 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@pD9E11C20.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 03:34 -!- mtr [n=Michael@pD9E11FEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:34 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 04:11 -!- dsoul [i=darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:22 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.96.5] has quit ["Leaving"] 04:26 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.103.62] has joined #t2 04:26 < Baldzius> good morning 05:02 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.103.62] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:13 -!- nuambenzina [n=Prophecy@82.78.207.85] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:26 -!- dsoul [i=darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #t2 06:44 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@e178021158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 06:44 < morfoh> moin 07:00 -!- dsoul [i=darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:02 -!- dsoul [i=darksoul@vice.ii.uj.edu.pl] has joined #t2 07:17 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.96.171] has joined #t2 07:33 < rxr> re 07:33 < rxr> moin morfoh 07:34 < morfoh> moin rxr 07:49 < karasz> moin moin 07:49 < karasz> hello rxr 07:49 < karasz> wb lommrad ;) 07:49 < morfoh> moin and thx tavarish karasz :) 07:51 < tdi> re 07:51 < karasz> moin tdi 07:51 < morfoh> hi tdi 07:52 < CIA-3> rene * r17851 /trunk/package/network/ntp/ (gcc-4.0.patch ntp.desc ntp_config-includes-fix.patch): * updated ntp (4.2.0 -> 4.2.2) 07:53 < karasz> well ofcourse i mistyped the l for a k, i am still sleeping :( 07:56 < CIA-3> rene * r17852 /trunk/package/network/ntp/includes-fix.patch: * removed old ntp gcc compile fix no longer needed, likewise 07:58 < CIA-3> rene * r17853 /trunk/package/filesystem/disktype/disktype.desc: * updated disktype (8 -> 9), includes EFI GPT support 08:19 -!- karasz_ [n=karasz@80.97.102.201] has joined #T2 08:19 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.201] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 08:20 -!- karasz_ is now known as karasz 09:08 < rxr> lol 09:08 < rxr> http://scr3.golem.de/?d=0606/trockeneis-pc&a=45742&s=1 09:08 < rxr> ^- solid ice cooling 09:10 * karasz is waiting for computers running in outerspace, communicating woth Earth through microwaves 09:11 < karasz> c'mon you do not have to worry about cooling in outerspace, do you? 09:11 < rxr> only when the sun shines on you ,-) 09:12 < karasz> well we could hide them behind Earth or Moon or something... 09:12 < karasz> Geostationary orbit. 09:13 < karasz> no, sorry i was mistaken. 09:13 < karasz> i was thinking about an Sun-stationary orbit. 09:17 < rxr> or in the shadow of a shield ,-) 09:17 < karasz> hmmm... 09:17 < karasz> rxr do you think that we can change the shield to a sollarcell? 09:17 < karasz> just to have more power fou the servers... 09:18 < karasz> you know, like shampoo, 2in1 :D 09:39 < valentin> moin 09:39 < valentin> karasz: cooling in space is a very hard task 09:39 < karasz> hello valentin 09:39 < valentin> because you have no medium to transfer the heat to 09:40 < karasz> valentin: i was mentioning shampoo so i guess that tells something about the level of setiousness i ment ,-) 09:40 < valentin> imo the only way to loose temperature in space is due to infrared emission, and this is not fast enough 09:41 < karasz> seriousness. 09:48 -!- morfoh_ [n=morfoh@e178035045.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 09:58 < CIA-3> rene * r17854 /trunk/scripts/Create-ISO: 09:58 < CIA-3> * fixed Create-ISO to not leak the iso directory name into the .md5 09:58 < CIA-3> files and also rearranged it to md5sum the generated ISO on-the-fly 09:58 < CIA-3> (saves 18 seconds wall-clock time, 6 seconds computing time on a 09:58 < CIA-3> 2x2GHz G5 with 1.5GB RAM and SATA disc, more so on slower machines) 10:02 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@e178021158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:02 -!- morfoh_ is now known as morfoh 10:04 < rxr> mnemoc: you know that svn:// goes to nearly no firewall and one can not update mnemosyne in most cooperate / uni facilities now ? 10:05 * rxr away 10:36 < mnemoc> rxr: if the existance of mnemosyne is such a big problem to you feel free to remove the svn:externals entry 10:42 < valentin> mnemoc: i think it is not the existence but the protocoll. is there a reason why you can't have https or sth ? 10:42 < mnemoc> because i don't have any apache 10:43 < mnemoc> and the http support is restricterd to apache 10:43 < valentin> yes, i know 10:43 < valentin> what kind of http webserver do you use ? 10:43 < mnemoc> lighttpd 10:45 < valentin> go, implement svn4ligthttpd ;) 10:45 < mnemoc> :) 11:22 < CIA-3> amery * r17855 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.3.23 -> 2.3.24) - "considered the most 'stable' release available" 11:38 < CIA-3> amery * r17856 /trunk/package/network/bitlbee/bitlbee.conf: * cleaned bitlbee's .conf and fixed to build against openssl if gnutls is not available 11:52 -!- sireficuL [i=MMM@213.252.233.162] has joined #t2 11:55 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@216.241.24.10] has quit ["Reconnecting"] 11:56 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@216.241.24.10] has joined #t2 11:57 -!- sireficuL [i=MMM@213.252.233.162] has quit [] 12:28 -!- karasz_ [n=karasz@80.97.102.201] has joined #T2 12:29 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.201] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:02 -!- sireficuL [i=MMM@213.252.233.162] has joined #t2 13:05 -!- karasz_ is now known as karasz 13:35 < CIA-3> msluis * r17857 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-142/ibm-jdk-142.desc: * updated ibm-jdk-142 (1.4.2-3 -> 1.4.2-SR5) 13:36 < CIA-3> msluis * r17858 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-142/ibm-jre-142.desc: * updated ibm-jre-142 (1.4.2-3 -> 1.4.2-SR5) 13:37 < CIA-3> msluis * r17859 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-150/ibm-jdk-150.desc: * updated ibm-jdk-150 (1.5.0 -> 1.5.0-SR2) 13:38 < CIA-3> msluis * r17860 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-150/ibm-jre-150.desc: * updated ibm-jre-150 (1.5.0 -> 1.5.0-SR2) 13:47 -!- sireficuL [i=MMM@213.252.233.162] has quit [] 13:54 < karasz> any ideea what pack contains nslookup? 14:03 < karasz> bind ,-) 14:06 < mnemoc> karasz: dnsq is your friend ,-) 14:13 < karasz> nevermind. 14:14 < karasz> I already done the deed, it is ugly, wrong by all standards but it works, just like me ,-) 14:17 < mnemoc> :) 14:17 < karasz> :P 14:18 < karasz> finally i came back from future for good. 14:19 < mnemoc> o_O 14:22 < karasz> you know my time problem... 14:22 < karasz> oki, cya guys later... 14:24 < mnemoc> cu karasz 14:45 -!- sireficuL [i=MMM@213.252.233.162] has joined #t2 15:21 -!- sireficuL [i=MMM@213.252.233.162] has quit [] 15:23 < rxr> re 15:23 -!- benzina [n=Prophecy@82.78.207.85] has joined #t2 15:30 < rxr> mnemoc: what makes you think mnemosyne is a problem for me? I only notified that I and most probably many many other people sitting in bigger companies or unies will not be able to access svn:// and wanted to remind you on that 15:30 < rxr> mnemoc: nothing else was said ... 15:31 < rxr> or course this normally is not a issue for me, since here I can access any more, but when I'm at other places or uni I always get an error on "svn up" in t2-trunk, now 15:31 < rxr> though I can ignore that as well, but - I just wanted to drop you a note 15:33 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.96.171] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:11 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p83.129.200.242.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 16:27 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p83.129.186.121.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:38 < CIA-3> rene * r17861 /trunk/package/x86/grub/ (stone_mod_grub.sh t2.xpm.gz): * updated t2 grub theme 16:43 < mnemoc> the new logo is discusting :\ 16:50 < rxr> discusting what ? 16:50 < rxr> like in lovely ? 16:50 < mnemoc> nope, like in horrible 16:50 < LMJ> Moin moin * 16:50 < rxr> I missed your input on the mailinglist beside your work you send in half a year ago ... 16:51 < rxr> worm not work ,-) 16:51 < LMJ> i'm trying to make a new package :(lmms.sourceforge.net) but got this error at the compilation : http://pastebin.com/765548 any ideas ? 16:51 * LMJ haven't pasted on rafb.net :-[ ;) 16:52 < rxr> LMJ: man exit 16:52 < rxr> LMJ: and patch it to include the header listed in the man-page 16:52 < rxr> man 3 exit, even 16:52 < rxr> #include 16:52 * rxr away 16:52 < rxr> cu 16:52 < LMJ> ;) 16:52 < LMJ> wtf 17:07 < LMJ> here i am again with a new error : http://pastebin.com/765577 17:10 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p83.129.200.83.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 17:27 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p83.129.200.242.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:52 < rxr> re 17:53 < karasz> wb rxr 17:53 < rxr> LMJ: hm is tha tthe same package ? 17:54 < rxr> our autotools are quite new, this auto* is quite a mess and often very incompatible between versions 17:54 < rxr> hi karasz 17:55 < karasz> well about auto... 17:55 < karasz> i sa not one package that states its need for one version or another... 17:55 < rxr> karasz: ? 17:56 < karasz> some apps state in readme or install that you must have version X of aclocal, or other auto app. 17:57 < LMJ> yes rxr , it's the same package 17:57 < rxr> didn't it start to build before ? 17:57 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 17:57 < rxr> why does it need auto* now ? 17:57 < rxr> hi misl 17:57 < misl> hi folks 17:57 < misl> hi rxr 17:57 < LMJ> i thing the previous compilation didn't go so far since i had the "exit" issue 17:58 < LMJ> if this problem is crap, i can leave it away 17:58 < karasz> hello misl 17:58 < LMJ> hello karasz and misl 17:58 < misl> hi karasz, LMJ 18:13 < morfoh> re 18:13 < morfoh> hi LMJ 18:13 < morfoh> hi misl boy :) 18:13 < misl> hey morfoh :-) 18:19 < benzina> hello karasz 18:20 < karasz> benzina heh, now you found some? 18:20 < benzina> :)) 18:21 < benzina> this is my backup nickname if my irc client disconet`s 18:22 < karasz> ahum. ok 18:23 < misl> morfoh: What was again the method to change the filename of downloads? 18:25 < rxr> ! 18:25 < morfoh> misl: the dl translations ? 18:25 < rxr> some-file !http://sdf/sd/foo.tar 18:25 < misl> morfoh: No, the download filename 18:26 < morfoh> misl: then I think rene gave you the answer already ;) 18:26 < misl> Ahh, thanks both of you 18:27 < misl> Hope this is gonne work for manual downloads too :-) 18:27 < rxr> http://www.minimalinux.org/arena/ 18:27 < rxr> c like scripting language 18:33 < morfoh> rxr: btw, does anyone has experienced problems using cups on 2.2 ? I can't add printers anymore 18:33 < morfoh> using the web interface 18:34 < rxr> morfoh: I have not yet tested the 2.2 update ow rhat that major update was 18:34 < rxr> before that it worked "mostly" for me 18:34 < rxr> "mostly" as in not perfect with the rasterize Ineed 18:34 < rxr> but that is another issue the cups people refused to fix after I debugged it down a full day 18:35 < morfoh> hmmm ... it seems to have problems for a longer time now 18:35 < rxr> morfoh: even the former stable series? 18:35 < rxr> that worked for me 18:35 < valentin> cups sucks a lot 18:35 < morfoh> hi valentin 18:35 < morfoh> valentin: ack 18:35 < valentin> hi morfoh 18:35 < misl> hi valentin 18:35 < morfoh> on 2.1 it seems to work 18:35 < valentin> i like the basic idea of cups, but the realization is buggy and strange 18:35 < karasz> mnemoc 18:35 < morfoh> but on 2.2 I mostly had problems 18:36 < rxr> if you do nto have the new 2 major release than you have some other problem the former long stable release always worked for me and is in production use on every archivista box 18:36 < rxr> so - me really away now 18:36 < rxr> cu later 18:36 < rxr> and yes, cups sucks 18:36 < misl> cu rxr 18:36 < morfoh> cu rxr 18:38 < valentin> morfoh: what happens when you try to add printers ? 18:39 < morfoh> valentin: it doesn't proceed to the next step in the install wizzard and just hangs 18:39 < valentin> hm 18:39 < valentin> did you try the kde wizzard ? 18:40 < morfoh> valentin: sorry ... no KDE here 18:40 < valentin> :) 18:40 < morfoh> :) 18:41 < misl> Is it still safe to update package in trunk or do we want to finally 2.2 18:41 < morfoh> misl: trunk is trunk 18:41 < misl> :-) 18:41 < misl> I'll update gnu classpath tomorrow :-) 18:41 < morfoh> misl: stabilzation should be done on a different branch 18:42 < misl> ack, but I asked just to be on the safe side :-) 18:42 < morfoh> misl: hehe ... :) 18:43 < misl> Is this the new T2 logo? http://www.t2-project.org/ 18:44 < benzina> karasz, can y help me with system config? 18:44 < misl> I liked the old one even better. 18:44 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@85.206.104.158] has joined #t2 18:44 < valentin> .oO 18:44 < valentin> logo wars... 18:44 < karasz> benzina: i can only try ;) 18:44 < misl> valentin: just my 2 cents :-) 18:45 < valentin> misl: that green thing was ugly too 18:45 < benzina> the insytall say: Stone Setup tool ONE -T2 setup config. 18:45 < mnemoc> this one is worse 18:45 < karasz> benzina: :? 18:45 < benzina> i`ll be very very slow 18:46 < benzina> and i will ask only what i don`t know 18:46 < morfoh> misl: I have similar problems with the logo 18:46 < misl> valentin: I like the one with the blocks (blue and orange wasn't it?) 18:46 < benzina> very slow 18:46 < morfoh> misl: yeah ... sepp's logo is nice 18:46 < valentin> i liked the proposal of rxr's brother 18:46 < morfoh> misl: https://t2.ixplanet.de/t2/ 18:47 < benzina> "set console screen blank interval =0"? this is the screensaver? 18:47 < misl> morfoh: yes that one 18:47 < benzina> if is at 0 then it`s deactivated? 18:47 < morfoh> valentin: yeah ... but the current logo isn't very attractive 18:47 < misl> valentin: the 2 is not very clear it could be a Z 18:48 < valentin> well, think it will be time for a contest and voting 18:48 < karasz> benzina: nut a zero but the letter O 18:48 < morfoh> and the grid filling is not that nice 18:49 < karasz> benzina: disregard, i was thinking about something else. 18:49 < misl> maybe we need to put all contestant logo's somewhere and have people choose one 18:49 < valentin> yes, maybe a rounded 2 would be much better 18:49 < benzina> T2 wasn`t some german russian american Tanks? for battle? 18:49 < valentin> like that one from pascal's proposal 18:49 < morfoh> benzina: T-series are russian tanks ;) 18:50 < karasz> but their number is higher than 2 18:50 < karasz> T34, T42 and so on 18:50 < morfoh> karasz: ack tavarish ;) 18:50 < valentin> t2 was a german volkswagen bus 18:50 < karasz> basically it is the year they were designed. 18:50 < sepp> the whole logo discussion is pointless since even the name sucks so much 18:50 < morfoh> sepp: :) 18:50 < morfoh> moin sepp btw ;) 18:50 < sepp> hello :) 18:50 < valentin> this name discussion is about a year too late 18:51 < misl> sepp: lol 18:51 < benzina> ufff i have to go :(( lucky with the suspend from vmware 18:51 < valentin> hard to start marketing buzz a third time after rock and t2 18:51 < karasz> cya benzina 18:51 < valentin> ppl get confused 18:51 < misl> ack 18:51 < benzina> i`ll be back toomorrow i guess 18:52 < morfoh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34 <-- new name proposal :p 18:52 < morfoh> cu benzina 18:52 < karasz> sorry kommrad, but i prefere Panthers ;) 18:53 < morfoh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-26 18:53 < valentin> but we can do some marketing buzz around a renaming, like "Raider ist jetzt Tw*x, sonst aendert sich nix" 18:53 < karasz> much more refined 18:53 < morfoh> valentin: yeah ... sth. like that 18:54 < valentin> and we'd to keep the t2-project entry sites and ml aliases for at least 2 years so ppl will find it again 18:55 < morfoh> valentin: I'd even avoid to change the name ... it's not a good idea 18:55 < valentin> i do not opt for that, too 18:55 < morfoh> it's not perfect ... but a lot of PR was done 18:56 < valentin> yes, this is what i meant 20:59 < valentin> hard to start marketing buzz a third time after rock and t2 18:56 < sepp> neither do i, but you want a logo that has a storry and a T and a 2 in it 18:56 < valentin> however, we could give code name to the SDE and use that one :) 18:57 < morfoh> sepp: ack ... that's the issue ... a story 18:57 * karasz is silent. 18:57 < sepp> why ? 18:57 < morfoh> sepp: don't ask :p 18:58 < morfoh> sepp: please don't start to talk about design with tavarish karasz :) 18:58 * morfoh hides 19:03 < sepp> right now it looks like the work of a stoned tiler, even the last thing on the ml was much better 19:04 < mnemoc> anything is better than the horrible logo on the page 19:06 < valentin> i still like the idea of the former proposal. however the new cornered tiling looks a bit like 80s computer graphics maybe 19:07 < mnemoc> pascal's or sepp's ? 19:08 < valentin> mnemoc: pascal's 19:09 < valentin> which is like the one on the hp, just with another 2 19:17 < valentin> http://www.exactcode.de/~valentin/valentin-proposal.png <- this is another idea by me. like it or hate it :) 19:31 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178180165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 19:31 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.2.0-rc RELEASED | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/ 19:31 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Fri Jun 2 17:55:27 2006] 19:31 [Users #t2] 19:31 [@ChanServ] [ dsoul ] [ Lucifer_arma] [ mtr ] [ sparc-kly] 19:31 [ Baldzius] [ karasz] [ misl ] [ rxr ] [ tdi ] 19:31 [ benzina ] [ laj_ ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr_] [ valentin ] 19:31 [ CIA-3 ] [ LMJ ] [ morfoh ] [ sepp] [ _Ragnar_ ] 19:31 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 20 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 19 normal] 19:31 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004 19:31 -!- [freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg 19:32 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 36 secs 19:36 < mnemoc> valentin: it's like a heart :p 19:36 < valentin> yes, i want you all to be friendly to each other 19:39 < mnemoc> t2, the loving project :) 19:39 -!- benzina [n=Prophecy@82.78.207.85] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:44 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/3d/ 19:44 < sepp> but i already know what the reaction will be ... 19:46 < sepp> building blocks / parts you put together, that is all t2 is about ;) 19:46 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178164158.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:46 < rxr_> - 19:46 -!- You're now known as rxr 19:48 < karasz> sepp: i really like th epipe ideea... 19:48 < karasz> `the pipe` 19:53 < mnemoc> any png for the poors? 19:54 < sepp> no, i am away now, download it and `display` them :) 19:54 < karasz> mnemoc: i can transform if you wish ;) 19:54 < valentin> sepp: displaying svgs screws text 19:55 < mnemoc> if you don'T have the exact font, svgs go to hell 19:56 < karasz> uploading.... 19:56 < mnemoc> karasz: where? :) 19:56 < sepp> *traced* does not need the font 19:57 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/t2_traced.png 19:57 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/t2_traced_main.png 19:58 < karasz> mnemoc: i allways upload where i can :D 19:58 * mnemoc really like those cubes 19:58 < mnemoc> karasz: :) 19:59 < karasz> just tell me when you are done, so i can drop them. 19:59 < valentin> not bad 19:59 < karasz> or i can leave them there if sepp does not have anything against the ideea. 20:00 < valentin> well, leave them there for at least a while :) 20:01 < karasz> valentin: it is not a problem for me, just that i would like sepp to aprove since they are his drawings. 20:11 < rxr> sepp: your new cubes are quite nice as well ,-) 20:12 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/t2_traced_main.png 20:12 < karasz> sorry 20:13 < valentin> somehow these three cubes in half-angle view remind me of some logo i've seen before .... but i don't get it 20:14 < mnemoc> same here 20:15 < karasz> hmmm.... 20:15 < karasz> if three ppl say that you are drunk you should go to sleep. 20:15 < mnemoc> but i love it (the three-colors versions) 20:16 < mnemoc> what are you trying to say? :( 20:16 < karasz> i preffere the blue and beige versions 20:16 < karasz> that i am the tird person that is reminded of a logo by the cubes... 20:16 < karasz> so it must be something. 20:17 < rxr> google:cube logo 20:17 < rxr> next 20:18 < rxr> http://images.google.com/images?q=cube%20logo&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi 20:18 < rxr> ouhm even pkgsrc 20:20 < karasz> hmmm 20:20 < karasz> strange 20:20 < karasz> http://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13313 20:26 < rxr> hm, I wonder why 3 cubes when we are t2 ,-) 20:58 < karasz> nope 20:59 < karasz> it is not the same with anything 20:59 < karasz> i just finished downloading the internet to a floppy and it is not there. 21:08 -!- veki [n=vedran@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has joined #t2 21:08 < karasz> hello brother veki. 21:09 < veki> hello brother karasz :-) 21:09 < veki> how are you? 21:09 < karasz> nice. 21:09 < veki> good 21:09 < karasz> aren't I? ;-) 21:09 < veki> it is rainy here whole day 21:09 < veki> yes, you are 21:09 < veki> ;) 21:09 < veki> we will turn into fish, here 21:10 < karasz> well here rains too, not 24/7 but a lot. 21:10 < veki> here is raining 48/7 21:10 < karasz> rofl 21:10 < karasz> i will move to you veki 21:10 < veki> ok 21:10 < karasz> i could use a 48 hours day... 21:11 < veki> yes ;) 21:11 < mnemoc> veki: OT: how was the independence of montenegro taken there? 21:11 * karasz runs like hell 21:11 < veki> hmm, to be honest, on one side it is strange that 600 000 thousand speople want to be separate 21:11 < veki> even, thebig part of their country are high mountains.. 21:12 < veki> on tehj other side, I can respect what they do if there will not be any violence 21:12 < veki> thier president is strange person ivolved in cigarette smuggling business etc. 21:12 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:12 < veki> there is indictment against him in Italy.. 21:13 < mnemoc> reason? 21:13 < veki> freason for separartion? 21:13 < veki> they think that they will do better economics if they are on tehir won, that is official explanation 21:14 < mnemoc> no no, reason for the indictment against their president :p 21:14 < veki> but, I think that it is rather like small central america country suported by countries that do liek organized money loundering etc. 21:14 < veki> so he will do that but let people think that it is glorious independence 21:15 < veki> reason is that he was invovled in cigarette smuggling 21:15 < veki> it was big wuantity, many tons of cigarettes smuggled and he was invovled in that business 21:15 < veki> since that indictment was raised against him, he does not go to Italy ;) 21:16 < veki> there are also some other strange activities 21:17 < veki> for example when he was buying small airplane for his private purposes parliament voted for decrease of customs for the import of airplanes and cosmic rockets 21:17 < veki> because rockets are according to teh custom clearance agency in the same cathegory 21:17 < veki> it is funy, but it is actually very sad 21:17 < veki> so, he got smaller custom duties for his private airplane 21:18 < veki> there is a lot of such a cases. very strange 21:18 < veki> they are country of 600 000 of people but they do have airlines company with two or three small airplanes 21:19 < karasz> veki: those are not strange 21:19 < karasz> just sad. 21:19 < veki> europen budget was damaged in teh amount of close to 12 billions of EURs due to smuggling of cigarettes 21:19 < veki> yes, it is sad 21:20 < veki> so, it is easier for those guys to be in small country and do what they want and average people will not be better of 21:21 < karasz> veki: define small. 21:22 < veki> small country that does have populatio 4 times smaller than my city and geographically they are much smaller than Los Angeles for example 21:22 < karasz> 23 million ppl counts as small? 21:22 < veki> their economic potentials are very small 21:22 < veki> they have 0.6 milion of people 21:23 < veki> so, much smaller than Budapest, Prague, belgrade etc. 21:23 < mnemoc> how many have malta or luxemburg? 21:23 < karasz> veki: i asked if 23 million ppl counts as small, not how many montenegros are ... 21:23 < veki> no 23 millonns si not small 21:23 < veki> is not small 21:24 < karasz> 28 july 1998, order of government ... ( import duties for vehicles are suspended for 24 hours),,,, 21:24 < veki> luxemburg does have tight relationships with other countries and you drive from Belgium, netherlands and Luxemburg in a car without noticing borders 21:24 < karasz> and we are about 23 million, not 600 000 :( 21:25 < veki> yes 21:25 < veki> and when someone import cars during those 24 hours, usually people from teh government it is OK, but after 24 hours the rest will be obliged to pay duties, I suppose 21:26 < karasz> ofcourse that day customs were like closed, almost nobody could got through. 21:26 < karasz> ofcourse. 21:26 < veki> aaah 21:26 < veki> some govs really do knwo how to "make" things 21:27 < karasz> see, it does not have anything to do with size. 21:27 -!- _Ragnar__ [i=loki@216.250.77.230] has joined #t2 21:27 < veki> I know, but it is worse if size is small because there are very small potentials for recovery 21:28 < karasz> that is another story. 21:28 < veki> I knwow a lot of people there, some guys are really good, my country is called INternet ;) 21:28 * karasz hmmm if i ran like hell why am I discussing this topic now??? o-O 21:29 < veki> discuss what you want, start disucssion and we will join if possible 21:30 -!- _Ragnar_ [i=loki@216.250.77.230] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:39 -!- nagulator [n=nagulato@87.203.158.66] has joined #t2 21:39 < nagulator> greetins everybody, mnemoc, sepp 21:40 < karasz> hello nagulator 21:40 < nagulator> hi karasz 21:40 < veki> hi 21:41 < nagulator> hi veki 21:41 < nagulator> so anything new and spectacular? 21:41 < veki> hi 21:43 < karasz> yes nagulator 21:43 < karasz> we are stil here, how is that for spectacular? 21:43 < nagulator> shoot karasz 21:43 < karasz> look above ,-) 21:44 < nagulator> 2.2.0-RC 21:44 < nagulator> know about that :) 21:45 < karasz> well that is yesterday's news... 21:45 < karasz> nagulator: from which part of greece you are? 21:46 < nagulator> athens 21:46 < karasz> ahm... 21:46 < karasz> i heared that it is very nice 21:47 < nagulator> yeah athens is cool 21:47 < nagulator> to be honest i have lived around europe the lasthmm half of my life :P 21:47 < veki> it is very nice city, beautiful 21:47 < veki> but, you came back home 21:49 < karasz> damn my english is decaying rapidly.... 21:49 < veki> karasz: parlais vousz english? 21:49 < karasz> luck taht _Ragnar__ and Lucifer_arma are not around ro see it 21:50 < karasz> non, je ne parlais l'ainleze 21:50 < veki> ;) 21:50 < veki> do you knwo spanglish? 21:51 < morfoh> veki: hi dude :) 21:51 < karasz> yeah, and i come from a so called francophone country... 21:51 < morfoh> hi nagulator 21:51 < mnemoc> *g* 21:51 < morfoh> veki: thanks for your mail ;) 21:51 < veki> morfoh: :-) 21:51 < karasz> why the heck it is called francophone beats me. 21:51 < karasz> there is no such thing as francophone.... 21:52 < karasz> there are countries in whic the language is french... 21:52 < Lucifer_arma> luckily I can always go back and reread it at my leisure 21:52 < Lucifer_arma> at least you're not subjected to my french, though 21:53 < karasz> like Alger for example, but is Alger called francophone? no... but romania is francophone o-O 21:54 * karasz closes the topic before he changes nick again... 21:54 < morfoh> tavarish karasz ? :) 21:54 < morfoh> hi Lucifer_arma ;) 21:54 < karasz> yes morfoh ? 21:57 -!- CIA-3 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:03 -!- CIA-7 [i=cia@cia.navi.cx] has joined #t2 22:34 -!- veki [n=vedran@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has quit ["leaving"] 22:37 < sepp> http://83.129.200.83/ugly.png 22:38 < sepp> same idea but a little bit changed ... 22:39 < morfoh> sepp: it's funny but a logo has to be 2D I think 22:40 < sepp> it is intended to be a simple svg 22:40 < sepp> 2D ... 22:41 < mnemoc> i like it but as logo companion 22:41 < mnemoc> 'alternative' log 22:41 < sepp> well, it is just to carry the idea 22:41 < mnemoc> logo* 22:41 < mnemoc> i like the idea ,-) 22:42 < mnemoc> but i fear the decition is already taken 22:42 < sepp> ? 22:43 < mnemoc> we got a new logo withou asking anyone already 22:44 < sepp> only did it as 3d to share the idea and i am faster that way 22:44 < mnemoc> and it's not the 72 offered by pascal and asked on the list 22:44 < mnemoc> sepp: i like the cubes 22:53 < sepp> this idea is a half finished (rubik cube) or (wood game) - like t2 which is not a "normal" distro 22:53 < sepp> rather something you put together ... 22:55 < sepp> like the soma cube 22:57 < sepp> named "ugly.png" because again it is just a idea and not a final design ... 23:05 < mnemoc> it's time to sleep for me 23:05 < mnemoc> thanks a lot for the efforts your are putting 23:05 < mnemoc> gn8 23:06 < morfoh> yeah ... gn8 23:06 * morfoh is going to sleep too 23:08 -!- nagulator [n=nagulato@87.203.158.66] has quit [Client Quit] 23:13 < sepp> good night m* :) 23:41 < karasz> gn8 mnemoc morfoh --- Log closed Thu Jun 08 00:00:54 2006