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--- Log opened Wed Jun 07 00:00:47 2006
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01:32 * Lucifer_arma is back.
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04:26 < Baldzius> good morning
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06:44 < morfoh> moin
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07:33 < rxr> re
07:33 < rxr> moin morfoh
07:34 < morfoh> moin rxr
07:49 < karasz> moin moin
07:49 < karasz> hello rxr
07:49 < karasz> wb lommrad ;)
07:49 < morfoh> moin and thx tavarish karasz :)
07:51 < tdi> re
07:51 < karasz> moin tdi
07:51 < morfoh> hi tdi
07:52 < CIA-3> rene * r17851 /trunk/package/network/ntp/ (gcc-4.0.patch ntp.desc ntp_config-includes-fix.patch): * updated ntp (4.2.0 -> 4.2.2)
07:53 < karasz> well ofcourse i mistyped the l for a k, i am still sleeping :(
07:56 < CIA-3> rene * r17852 /trunk/package/network/ntp/includes-fix.patch: * removed old ntp gcc compile fix no longer needed, likewise
07:58 < CIA-3> rene * r17853 /trunk/package/filesystem/disktype/disktype.desc: * updated disktype (8 -> 9), includes EFI GPT support
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09:08 < rxr> lol
09:08 < rxr>
http://scr3.golem.de/?d=0606/trockeneis-pc&a=45742&s=1
09:08 < rxr> ^- solid ice cooling
09:10 * karasz is waiting for computers running in outerspace, communicating woth Earth through microwaves
09:11 < karasz> c'mon you do not have to worry about cooling in outerspace, do you?
09:11 < rxr> only when the sun shines on you ,-)
09:12 < karasz> well we could hide them behind Earth or Moon or something...
09:12 < karasz> Geostationary orbit.
09:13 < karasz> no, sorry i was mistaken.
09:13 < karasz> i was thinking about an Sun-stationary orbit.
09:17 < rxr> or in the shadow of a shield ,-)
09:17 < karasz> hmmm...
09:17 < karasz> rxr do you think that we can change the shield to a sollarcell?
09:17 < karasz> just to have more power fou the servers...
09:18 < karasz> you know, like shampoo, 2in1 :D
09:39 < valentin> moin
09:39 < valentin> karasz: cooling in space is a very hard task
09:39 < karasz> hello valentin
09:39 < valentin> because you have no medium to transfer the heat to
09:40 < karasz> valentin: i was mentioning shampoo so i guess that tells something about the level of setiousness i ment ,-)
09:40 < valentin> imo the only way to loose temperature in space is due to infrared emission, and this is not fast enough
09:41 < karasz> seriousness.
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09:58 < CIA-3> rene * r17854 /trunk/scripts/Create-ISO:
09:58 < CIA-3> * fixed Create-ISO to not leak the iso directory name into the .md5
09:58 < CIA-3> files and also rearranged it to md5sum the generated ISO on-the-fly
09:58 < CIA-3> (saves 18 seconds wall-clock time, 6 seconds computing time on a
09:58 < CIA-3> 2x2GHz G5 with 1.5GB RAM and SATA disc, more so on slower machines)
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10:04 < rxr> mnemoc: you know that svn:// goes to nearly no firewall and one can not update mnemosyne in most cooperate / uni facilities now ?
10:05 * rxr away
10:36 < mnemoc> rxr: if the existance of mnemosyne is such a big problem to you feel free to remove the svn:externals entry
10:42 < valentin> mnemoc: i think it is not the existence but the protocoll. is there a reason why you can't have https or sth ?
10:42 < mnemoc> because i don't have any apache
10:43 < mnemoc> and the http support is restricterd to apache
10:43 < valentin> yes, i know
10:43 < valentin> what kind of http webserver do you use ?
10:43 < mnemoc> lighttpd
10:45 < valentin> go, implement svn4ligthttpd ;)
10:45 < mnemoc> :)
11:22 < CIA-3> amery * r17855 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.3.23 -> 2.3.24) - "considered the most 'stable' release available"
11:38 < CIA-3> amery * r17856 /trunk/package/network/bitlbee/bitlbee.conf: * cleaned bitlbee's .conf and fixed to build against openssl if gnutls is not available
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13:35 < CIA-3> msluis * r17857 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-142/ibm-jdk-142.desc: * updated ibm-jdk-142 (1.4.2-3 -> 1.4.2-SR5)
13:36 < CIA-3> msluis * r17858 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-142/ibm-jre-142.desc: * updated ibm-jre-142 (1.4.2-3 -> 1.4.2-SR5)
13:37 < CIA-3> msluis * r17859 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jdk-150/ibm-jdk-150.desc: * updated ibm-jdk-150 (1.5.0 -> 1.5.0-SR2)
13:38 < CIA-3> msluis * r17860 /trunk/package/java/ibm-jre-150/ibm-jre-150.desc: * updated ibm-jre-150 (1.5.0 -> 1.5.0-SR2)
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13:54 < karasz> any ideea what pack contains nslookup?
14:03 < karasz> bind ,-)
14:06 < mnemoc> karasz: dnsq is your friend ,-)
14:13 < karasz> nevermind.
14:14 < karasz> I already done the deed, it is ugly, wrong by all standards but it works, just like me ,-)
14:17 < mnemoc> :)
14:17 < karasz> :P
14:18 < karasz> finally i came back from future for good.
14:19 < mnemoc> o_O
14:22 < karasz> you know my time problem...
14:22 < karasz> oki, cya guys later...
14:24 < mnemoc> cu karasz
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15:23 < rxr> re
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15:30 < rxr> mnemoc: what makes you think mnemosyne is a problem for me? I only notified that I and most probably many many other people sitting in bigger companies or unies will not be able to access svn:// and wanted to remind you on that
15:30 < rxr> mnemoc: nothing else was said ...
15:31 < rxr> or course this normally is not a issue for me, since here I can access any more, but when I'm at other places or uni I always get an error on "svn up" in t2-trunk, now
15:31 < rxr> though I can ignore that as well, but - I just wanted to drop you a note
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16:38 < CIA-3> rene * r17861 /trunk/package/x86/grub/ (stone_mod_grub.sh t2.xpm.gz): * updated t2 grub theme
16:43 < mnemoc> the new logo is discusting :\
16:50 < rxr> discusting what ?
16:50 < rxr> like in lovely ?
16:50 < mnemoc> nope, like in horrible
16:50 < LMJ> Moin moin *
16:50 < rxr> I missed your input on the mailinglist beside your work you send in half a year ago ...
16:51 < rxr> worm not work ,-)
16:51 < LMJ> i'm trying to make a new package :(lmms.sourceforge.net) but got this error at the compilation :
http://pastebin.com/765548 any ideas ?
16:51 * LMJ haven't pasted on rafb.net :-[ ;)
16:52 < rxr> LMJ: man exit
16:52 < rxr> LMJ: and patch it to include the header listed in the man-page
16:52 < rxr> man 3 exit, even
16:52 < rxr> #include
16:52 * rxr away
16:52 < rxr> cu
16:52 < LMJ> ;)
16:52 < LMJ> wtf
17:07 < LMJ> here i am again with a new error : http://pastebin.com/765577
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17:52 < rxr> re
17:53 < karasz> wb rxr
17:53 < rxr> LMJ: hm is tha tthe same package ?
17:54 < rxr> our autotools are quite new, this auto* is quite a mess and often very incompatible between versions
17:54 < rxr> hi karasz
17:55 < karasz> well about auto...
17:55 < karasz> i sa not one package that states its need for one version or another...
17:55 < rxr> karasz: ?
17:56 < karasz> some apps state in readme or install that you must have version X of aclocal, or other auto app.
17:57 < LMJ> yes rxr , it's the same package
17:57 < rxr> didn't it start to build before ?
17:57 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
17:57 < rxr> why does it need auto* now ?
17:57 < rxr> hi misl
17:57 < misl> hi folks
17:57 < misl> hi rxr
17:57 < LMJ> i thing the previous compilation didn't go so far since i had the "exit" issue
17:58 < LMJ> if this problem is crap, i can leave it away
17:58 < karasz> hello misl
17:58 < LMJ> hello karasz and misl
17:58 < misl> hi karasz, LMJ
18:13 < morfoh> re
18:13 < morfoh> hi LMJ
18:13 < morfoh> hi misl boy :)
18:13 < misl> hey morfoh :-)
18:19 < benzina> hello karasz
18:20 < karasz> benzina heh, now you found some?
18:20 < benzina> :))
18:21 < benzina> this is my backup nickname if my irc client disconet`s
18:22 < karasz> ahum. ok
18:23 < misl> morfoh: What was again the method to change the filename of downloads?
18:25 < rxr> !
18:25 < morfoh> misl: the dl translations ?
18:25 < rxr> some-file !http://sdf/sd/foo.tar
18:25 < misl> morfoh: No, the download filename
18:26 < morfoh> misl: then I think rene gave you the answer already ;)
18:26 < misl> Ahh, thanks both of you
18:27 < misl> Hope this is gonne work for manual downloads too :-)
18:27 < rxr> http://www.minimalinux.org/arena/
18:27 < rxr> c like scripting language
18:33 < morfoh> rxr: btw, does anyone has experienced problems using cups on 2.2 ? I can't add printers anymore
18:33 < morfoh> using the web interface
18:34 < rxr> morfoh: I have not yet tested the 2.2 update ow rhat that major update was
18:34 < rxr> before that it worked "mostly" for me
18:34 < rxr> "mostly" as in not perfect with the rasterize Ineed
18:34 < rxr> but that is another issue the cups people refused to fix after I debugged it down a full day
18:35 < morfoh> hmmm ... it seems to have problems for a longer time now
18:35 < rxr> morfoh: even the former stable series?
18:35 < rxr> that worked for me
18:35 < valentin> cups sucks a lot
18:35 < morfoh> hi valentin
18:35 < morfoh> valentin: ack
18:35 < valentin> hi morfoh
18:35 < misl> hi valentin
18:35 < morfoh> on 2.1 it seems to work
18:35 < valentin> i like the basic idea of cups, but the realization is buggy and strange
18:35 < karasz> mnemoc
18:35 < morfoh> but on 2.2 I mostly had problems
18:36 < rxr> if you do nto have the new 2 major release than you have some other problem the former long stable release always worked for me and is in production use on every archivista box
18:36 < rxr> so - me really away now
18:36 < rxr> cu later
18:36 < rxr> and yes, cups sucks
18:36 < misl> cu rxr
18:36 < morfoh> cu rxr
18:38 < valentin> morfoh: what happens when you try to add printers ?
18:39 < morfoh> valentin: it doesn't proceed to the next step in the install wizzard and just hangs
18:39 < valentin> hm
18:39 < valentin> did you try the kde wizzard ?
18:40 < morfoh> valentin: sorry ... no KDE here
18:40 < valentin> :)
18:40 < morfoh> :)
18:41 < misl> Is it still safe to update package in trunk or do we want to finally 2.2
18:41 < morfoh> misl: trunk is trunk
18:41 < misl> :-)
18:41 < misl> I'll update gnu classpath tomorrow :-)
18:41 < morfoh> misl: stabilzation should be done on a different branch
18:42 < misl> ack, but I asked just to be on the safe side :-)
18:42 < morfoh> misl: hehe ... :)
18:43 < misl> Is this the new T2 logo? http://www.t2-project.org/
18:44 < benzina> karasz, can y help me with system config?
18:44 < misl> I liked the old one even better.
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18:44 < valentin> .oO
18:44 < valentin> logo wars...
18:44 < karasz> benzina: i can only try ;)
18:44 < misl> valentin: just my 2 cents :-)
18:45 < valentin> misl: that green thing was ugly too
18:45 < benzina> the insytall say: Stone Setup tool ONE -T2 setup config.
18:45 < mnemoc> this one is worse
18:45 < karasz> benzina: :?
18:45 < benzina> i`ll be very very slow
18:46 < benzina> and i will ask only what i don`t know
18:46 < morfoh> misl: I have similar problems with the logo
18:46 < misl> valentin: I like the one with the blocks (blue and orange wasn't it?)
18:46 < benzina> very slow
18:46 < morfoh> misl: yeah ... sepp's logo is nice
18:46 < valentin> i liked the proposal of rxr's brother
18:46 < morfoh> misl: https://t2.ixplanet.de/t2/
18:47 < benzina> "set console screen blank interval =0"? this is the screensaver?
18:47 < misl> morfoh: yes that one
18:47 < benzina> if is at 0 then it`s deactivated?
18:47 < morfoh> valentin: yeah ... but the current logo isn't very attractive
18:47 < misl> valentin: the 2 is not very clear it could be a Z
18:48 < valentin> well, think it will be time for a contest and voting
18:48 < karasz> benzina: nut a zero but the letter O
18:48 < morfoh> and the grid filling is not that nice
18:49 < karasz> benzina: disregard, i was thinking about something else.
18:49 < misl> maybe we need to put all contestant logo's somewhere and have people choose one
18:49 < valentin> yes, maybe a rounded 2 would be much better
18:49 < benzina> T2 wasn`t some german russian american Tanks? for battle?
18:49 < valentin> like that one from pascal's proposal
18:49 < morfoh> benzina: T-series are russian tanks ;)
18:50 < karasz> but their number is higher than 2
18:50 < karasz> T34, T42 and so on
18:50 < morfoh> karasz: ack tavarish ;)
18:50 < valentin> t2 was a german volkswagen bus
18:50 < karasz> basically it is the year they were designed.
18:50 < sepp> the whole logo discussion is pointless since even the name sucks so much
18:50 < morfoh> sepp: :)
18:50 < morfoh> moin sepp btw ;)
18:50 < sepp> hello :)
18:50 < valentin> this name discussion is about a year too late
18:51 < misl> sepp: lol
18:51 < benzina> ufff i have to go :(( lucky with the suspend from vmware
18:51 < valentin> hard to start marketing buzz a third time after rock and t2
18:51 < karasz> cya benzina
18:51 < valentin> ppl get confused
18:51 < misl> ack
18:51 < benzina> i`ll be back toomorrow i guess
18:52 < morfoh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34 <-- new name proposal :p
18:52 < morfoh> cu benzina
18:52 < karasz> sorry kommrad, but i prefere Panthers ;)
18:53 < morfoh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-26
18:53 < valentin> but we can do some marketing buzz around a renaming, like "Raider ist jetzt Tw*x, sonst aendert sich nix"
18:53 < karasz> much more refined
18:53 < morfoh> valentin: yeah ... sth. like that
18:54 < valentin> and we'd to keep the t2-project entry sites and ml aliases for at least 2 years so ppl will find it again
18:55 < morfoh> valentin: I'd even avoid to change the name ... it's not a good idea
18:55 < valentin> i do not opt for that, too
18:55 < morfoh> it's not perfect ... but a lot of PR was done
18:56 < valentin> yes, this is what i meant 20:59 < valentin> hard to start marketing buzz a third time after rock and t2
18:56 < sepp> neither do i, but you want a logo that has a storry and a T and a 2 in it
18:56 < valentin> however, we could give code name to the SDE and use that one :)
18:57 < morfoh> sepp: ack ... that's the issue ... a story
18:57 * karasz is silent.
18:57 < sepp> why ?
18:57 < morfoh> sepp: don't ask :p
18:58 < morfoh> sepp: please don't start to talk about design with tavarish karasz :)
18:58 * morfoh hides
19:03 < sepp> right now it looks like the work of a stoned tiler, even the last thing on the ml was much better
19:04 < mnemoc> anything is better than the horrible logo on the page
19:06 < valentin> i still like the idea of the former proposal. however the new cornered tiling looks a bit like 80s computer graphics maybe
19:07 < mnemoc> pascal's or sepp's ?
19:08 < valentin> mnemoc: pascal's
19:09 < valentin> which is like the one on the hp, just with another 2
19:17 < valentin> http://www.exactcode.de/~valentin/valentin-proposal.png <- this is another idea by me. like it or hate it :)
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19:36 < mnemoc> valentin: it's like a heart :p
19:36 < valentin> yes, i want you all to be friendly to each other
19:39 < mnemoc> t2, the loving project :)
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19:44 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/t2_/3d/
19:44 < sepp> but i already know what the reaction will be ...
19:46 < sepp> building blocks / parts you put together, that is all t2 is about ;)
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19:48 < karasz> sepp: i really like th epipe ideea...
19:48 < karasz> `the pipe`
19:53 < mnemoc> any png for the poors?
19:54 < sepp> no, i am away now, download it and `display` them :)
19:54 < karasz> mnemoc: i can transform if you wish ;)
19:54 < valentin> sepp: displaying svgs screws text
19:55 < mnemoc> if you don'T have the exact font, svgs go to hell
19:56 < karasz> uploading....
19:56 < mnemoc> karasz: where? :)
19:56 < sepp> *traced* does not need the font
19:57 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/t2_traced.png
19:57 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/t2_traced_main.png
19:58 < karasz> mnemoc: i allways upload where i can :D
19:58 * mnemoc really like those cubes
19:58 < mnemoc> karasz: :)
19:59 < karasz> just tell me when you are done, so i can drop them.
19:59 < valentin> not bad
19:59 < karasz> or i can leave them there if sepp does not have anything against the ideea.
20:00 < valentin> well, leave them there for at least a while :)
20:01 < karasz> valentin: it is not a problem for me, just that i would like sepp to aprove since they are his drawings.
20:11 < rxr> sepp: your new cubes are quite nice as well ,-)
20:12 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/t2_traced_main.png
20:12 < karasz> sorry
20:13 < valentin> somehow these three cubes in half-angle view remind me of some logo i've seen before .... but i don't get it
20:14 < mnemoc> same here
20:15 < karasz> hmmm....
20:15 < karasz> if three ppl say that you are drunk you should go to sleep.
20:15 < mnemoc> but i love it (the three-colors versions)
20:16 < mnemoc> what are you trying to say? :(
20:16 < karasz> i preffere the blue and beige versions
20:16 < karasz> that i am the tird person that is reminded of a logo by the cubes...
20:16 < karasz> so it must be something.
20:17 < rxr> google:cube logo
20:17 < rxr> next
20:18 < rxr> http://images.google.com/images?q=cube%20logo&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
20:18 < rxr> ouhm even pkgsrc
20:20 < karasz> hmmm
20:20 < karasz> strange
20:20 < karasz> http://www.cpu-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13313
20:26 < rxr> hm, I wonder why 3 cubes when we are t2 ,-)
20:58 < karasz> nope
20:59 < karasz> it is not the same with anything
20:59 < karasz> i just finished downloading the internet to a floppy and it is not there.
21:08 -!- veki [n=vedran@gw.gnucentar.org.yu] has joined #t2
21:08 < karasz> hello brother veki.
21:09 < veki> hello brother karasz :-)
21:09 < veki> how are you?
21:09 < karasz> nice.
21:09 < veki> good
21:09 < karasz> aren't I? ;-)
21:09 < veki> it is rainy here whole day
21:09 < veki> yes, you are
21:09 < veki> ;)
21:09 < veki> we will turn into fish, here
21:10 < karasz> well here rains too, not 24/7 but a lot.
21:10 < veki> here is raining 48/7
21:10 < karasz> rofl
21:10 < karasz> i will move to you veki
21:10 < veki> ok
21:10 < karasz> i could use a 48 hours day...
21:11 < veki> yes ;)
21:11 < mnemoc> veki: OT: how was the independence of montenegro taken there?
21:11 * karasz runs like hell
21:11 < veki> hmm, to be honest, on one side it is strange that 600 000 thousand speople want to be separate
21:11 < veki> even, thebig part of their country are high mountains..
21:12 < veki> on tehj other side, I can respect what they do if there will not be any violence
21:12 < veki> thier president is strange person ivolved in cigarette smuggling business etc.
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21:12 < veki> there is indictment against him in Italy..
21:13 < mnemoc> reason?
21:13 < veki> freason for separartion?
21:13 < veki> they think that they will do better economics if they are on tehir won, that is official explanation
21:14 < mnemoc> no no, reason for the indictment against their president :p
21:14 < veki> but, I think that it is rather like small central america country suported by countries that do liek organized money loundering etc.
21:14 < veki> so he will do that but let people think that it is glorious independence
21:15 < veki> reason is that he was invovled in cigarette smuggling
21:15 < veki> it was big wuantity, many tons of cigarettes smuggled and he was invovled in that business
21:15 < veki> since that indictment was raised against him, he does not go to Italy ;)
21:16 < veki> there are also some other strange activities
21:17 < veki> for example when he was buying small airplane for his private purposes parliament voted for decrease of customs for the import of airplanes and cosmic rockets
21:17 < veki> because rockets are according to teh custom clearance agency in the same cathegory
21:17 < veki> it is funy, but it is actually very sad
21:17 < veki> so, he got smaller custom duties for his private airplane
21:18 < veki> there is a lot of such a cases. very strange
21:18 < veki> they are country of 600 000 of people but they do have airlines company with two or three small airplanes
21:19 < karasz> veki: those are not strange
21:19 < karasz> just sad.
21:19 < veki> europen budget was damaged in teh amount of close to 12 billions of EURs due to smuggling of cigarettes
21:19 < veki> yes, it is sad
21:20 < veki> so, it is easier for those guys to be in small country and do what they want and average people will not be better of
21:21 < karasz> veki: define small.
21:22 < veki> small country that does have populatio 4 times smaller than my city and geographically they are much smaller than Los Angeles for example
21:22 < karasz> 23 million ppl counts as small?
21:22 < veki> their economic potentials are very small
21:22 < veki> they have 0.6 milion of people
21:23 < veki> so, much smaller than Budapest, Prague, belgrade etc.
21:23 < mnemoc> how many have malta or luxemburg?
21:23 < karasz> veki: i asked if 23 million ppl counts as small, not how many montenegros are ...
21:23 < veki> no 23 millonns si not small
21:23 < veki> is not small
21:24 < karasz> 28 july 1998, order of government ... ( import duties for vehicles are suspended for 24 hours),,,,
21:24 < veki> luxemburg does have tight relationships with other countries and you drive from Belgium, netherlands and Luxemburg in a car without noticing borders
21:24 < karasz> and we are about 23 million, not 600 000 :(
21:25 < veki> yes
21:25 < veki> and when someone import cars during those 24 hours, usually people from teh government it is OK, but after 24 hours the rest will be obliged to pay duties, I suppose
21:26 < karasz> ofcourse that day customs were like closed, almost nobody could got through.
21:26 < karasz> ofcourse.
21:26 < veki> aaah
21:26 < veki> some govs really do knwo how to "make" things
21:27 < karasz> see, it does not have anything to do with size.
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21:27 < veki> I know, but it is worse if size is small because there are very small potentials for recovery
21:28 < karasz> that is another story.
21:28 < veki> I knwow a lot of people there, some guys are really good, my country is called INternet ;)
21:28 * karasz hmmm if i ran like hell why am I discussing this topic now??? o-O
21:29 < veki> discuss what you want, start disucssion and we will join if possible
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21:39 < nagulator> greetins everybody, mnemoc, sepp
21:40 < karasz> hello nagulator
21:40 < nagulator> hi karasz
21:40 < veki> hi
21:41 < nagulator> hi veki
21:41 < nagulator> so anything new and spectacular?
21:41 < veki> hi
21:43 < karasz> yes nagulator
21:43 < karasz> we are stil here, how is that for spectacular?
21:43 < nagulator> shoot karasz
21:43 < karasz> look above ,-)
21:44 < nagulator> 2.2.0-RC
21:44 < nagulator> know about that :)
21:45 < karasz> well that is yesterday's news...
21:45 < karasz> nagulator: from which part of greece you are?
21:46 < nagulator> athens
21:46 < karasz> ahm...
21:46 < karasz> i heared that it is very nice
21:47 < nagulator> yeah athens is cool
21:47 < nagulator> to be honest i have lived around europe the lasthmm half of my life :P
21:47 < veki> it is very nice city, beautiful
21:47 < veki> but, you came back home
21:49 < karasz> damn my english is decaying rapidly....
21:49 < veki> karasz: parlais vousz english?
21:49 < karasz> luck taht _Ragnar__ and Lucifer_arma are not around ro see it
21:50 < karasz> non, je ne parlais l'ainleze
21:50 < veki> ;)
21:50 < veki> do you knwo spanglish?
21:51 < morfoh> veki: hi dude :)
21:51 < karasz> yeah, and i come from a so called francophone country...
21:51 < morfoh> hi nagulator
21:51 < mnemoc> *g*
21:51 < morfoh> veki: thanks for your mail ;)
21:51 < veki> morfoh: :-)
21:51 < karasz> why the heck it is called francophone beats me.
21:51 < karasz> there is no such thing as francophone....
21:52 < karasz> there are countries in whic the language is french...
21:52 < Lucifer_arma> luckily I can always go back and reread it at my leisure
21:52 < Lucifer_arma> at least you're not subjected to my french, though
21:53 < karasz> like Alger for example, but is Alger called francophone? no... but romania is francophone o-O
21:54 * karasz closes the topic before he changes nick again...
21:54 < morfoh> tavarish karasz ? :)
21:54 < morfoh> hi Lucifer_arma ;)
21:54 < karasz> yes morfoh ?
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22:37 < sepp> http://83.129.200.83/ugly.png
22:38 < sepp> same idea but a little bit changed ...
22:39 < morfoh> sepp: it's funny but a logo has to be 2D I think
22:40 < sepp> it is intended to be a simple svg
22:40 < sepp> 2D ...
22:41 < mnemoc> i like it but as logo companion
22:41 < mnemoc> 'alternative' log
22:41 < sepp> well, it is just to carry the idea
22:41 < mnemoc> logo*
22:41 < mnemoc> i like the idea ,-)
22:42 < mnemoc> but i fear the decition is already taken
22:42 < sepp> ?
22:43 < mnemoc> we got a new logo withou asking anyone already
22:44 < sepp> only did it as 3d to share the idea and i am faster that way
22:44 < mnemoc> and it's not the 72 offered by pascal and asked on the list
22:44 < mnemoc> sepp: i like the cubes
22:53 < sepp> this idea is a half finished (rubik cube) or (wood game) - like t2 which is not a "normal" distro
22:53 < sepp> rather something you put together ...
22:55 < sepp> like the soma cube
22:57 < sepp> named "ugly.png" because again it is just a idea and not a final design ...
23:05 < mnemoc> it's time to sleep for me
23:05 < mnemoc> thanks a lot for the efforts your are putting
23:05 < mnemoc> gn8
23:06 < morfoh> yeah ... gn8
23:06 * morfoh is going to sleep too
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23:13 < sepp> good night m* :)
23:41 < karasz> gn8 mnemoc morfoh
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