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T2 IRC Log: 2006-05-27

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--- Log opened Sat May 27 00:00:04 2006
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06:49 < misl> morning all
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09:38 < morfoh> moin
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10:11 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: make[4]: *** No rule to make target `../../../kivio/kiviopart/libkiviocommon.la', needed by `libkivioimageexport.la'. Stop.
12:09 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: the same with NOPARALLEL :(
12:25 < karasz> moin moin
12:33 < morfoh> moin tavarish :)
12:46 < karasz> kommrad ;)
12:55 < CIA-3> aldas * r17633 /trunk/package/x11/afterstep/afterstep.desc: * updated afterstep (2.2.1 -> 2.2.2)
12:55 < CIA-3> aldas * r17634 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdm/gdm.desc: * updated gdm (2.14.6 -> 2.14.7)
12:56 < CIA-3> aldas * r17635 /trunk/package/gnome2/glib/glib.desc: * updated glib (2.10.2 -> 2.10.3)
12:56 < morfoh> vandal!
12:56 < CIA-3> aldas * r17636 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+.desc: * updated gtk+ (2.8.17 -> 2.8.18)
12:56 < morfoh> attack of the vandal started :)
12:56 < Baldzius> :)
12:56 < morfoh> hi Baldzius :)
12:56 < Baldzius> hi morfoh :)
12:57 < karasz> hello Baldzius
12:57 < Baldzius> hi karasz :)
12:59 < morfoh> Baldzius: do you know anything about the xorg fixesproto/libxfixes + gtk problem and if it was solved either on gtk or Xorg ?
13:02 < Baldzius> morfoh: no, not familiar with those --^
13:02 < Baldzius> iirc mnemoc reverted smtg like that
13:02 < Baldzius> and that's it :/
13:02 * mnemoc hides
13:03 < Baldzius> no need to hide mnemoc :)
13:04 * mnemoc slowly raise the head over the stone
13:04 < karasz> after an absence the daily returns
13:04 < Baldzius> stone? mnemoc is living in the flinstones house? :)
13:04 < karasz> i am not quite sure if it is a rant or not, anyway here it goes
13:05 < morfoh> Baldzius: what do want to tell me with "flintstone's house" ? hey ? :)
13:05 < karasz> i want to pose a question about recent happenings in Berlin
13:05 < CIA-3> amery * r17637 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-tools/alsa-tools.conf: * enhanced alsa-tools to not build echomixer and rmedigicontrol if gtk+ is not installed
13:06 < mnemoc> karasz: the new smells coming out of morfoh?
13:06 < karasz> as many of you are living in Germany, i think that i don't have to expose the event, anyway I am more interested in the afterburns
13:06 * morfoh kicks mnemoc badly
13:06 < mnemoc> outch
13:06 < Baldzius> morfoh: nothing, just coriuos why mnemoc raising his head ove the stone and not over the table
13:06 < karasz> mnemoc: no, the happening at the new train station inauguration.
13:06 < Baldzius> maybe table is made of stone
13:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: you'll go sleep without having dinner today
13:06 < Baldzius> or i am still sleepy
13:06 < karasz> so
13:06 < mnemoc> Baldzius: because i was hide behind an stone
13:06 < mnemoc> morfoh: :(
13:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: don't cry bitch
13:07 < karasz> here is a kid iirc 16 years old who goes havoc and stubs some 20 ppl at the inauguration
13:07 < mnemoc> karasz: 28
13:07 < karasz> in essence is a sad happening, but
13:07 < karasz> i wonder why, all the news
13:08 < morfoh> karasz: it was a good test for police before the world cup
13:08 < karasz> and by all the news I mean romanian channels, cnn, euronews, well pretty much all that i can see around here
13:08 < karasz> have to make one assertion at the end of the news
13:08 < karasz> and want to make sure that we understand that the guy IS NOT A NEONAZI
13:09 < karasz> o-O
13:09 < mnemoc> karasz: doh
13:09 < karasz> i mean it is ok to stub 28 ppl if you are not a nazi?
13:09 < morfoh> karasz: I guess they will scream soon for changing the constitution to allow military machinery within the country
13:09 < karasz> who cares if he is or he is not, the fact remains the same he stubbed 28 ppl.
13:10 < karasz> so i am puzzled
13:10 < karasz> ait almost looks like one want's to make sure that we understand that nazi's are nice guys, or what the heck, i really do not understand
13:10 < mnemoc> i think the reason is to not 'blame' that 'group' and avoid people linking the act with them
13:10 < CIA-3> aldas * r17638 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (0.9.13 -> 0.9.14)
13:11 < karasz> but it doesn't make sense
13:11 < karasz> they could have told us that he is not a stamp collector too, just to avoid blame on stamp collectors...
13:11 < morfoh> karasz: what makes no sense ?
13:12 < karasz> that care to make us understand the the guy is not nazi.
13:12 < Baldzius> good that i don't understand what you all talking here about :)
13:12 < karasz> i really do not care, and i guess nobody should, the fact is that he stabbel 28 ppl, regardles of his political, social, or sexual orientations.
13:13 < mnemoc> Baldzius: last night during the big inauguration of the new main train station here at berlin a guy attacked with a knife 28 people crossing the street
13:13 < karasz> `Oh, no he is not a nazi!` they tell us, who cares? for all thet matters he could be a member in the german scout union
13:14 < Baldzius> oh that's sad
13:14 < karasz> it is almost like the bigger news is that he is not a nazi, not the one that tells that he stubbed 28 people in plain street O_O
13:14 < Baldzius> i am happy i am not that kind of vandal
13:15 < mnemoc> "anyone can be the next attacker, so we have to be ready to provide real protection to de citizens the next time" i think is the goal
13:15 < karasz> but why mention the nazi word?
13:15 < karasz> is it an advertisment?
13:15 < mnemoc> to highlight the 'anyone' i think
13:16 < karasz> for some it is an advertisemsnt... and it is world wide news for God's sake... tztztztz!
13:16 < karasz> mnemoc: to highlight the anyone you do not use 1 single group.
13:17 < karasz> you can say that he is not known to be a member of any group.
13:17 < karasz> that highlights `anyone`
13:17 < karasz> and by the way? is it really a world news?
13:17 < mnemoc> now they have to take wider messures to prevent such events during the worldcup, and the people (world wide) will be more open to accept them
13:18 < mnemoc> not for this event, but if they just allow military police on the streets the 'world option' will react
13:18 < karasz> i mean yes, it is sad that thinghs like that happen, but i am sure that around the world similar stuff happens daily
13:18 < karasz> let's just look at Somalia....
13:18 < mnemoc> :(
13:20 < karasz> so in one sentence it is a puzzeling news in more than one way.
13:21 < karasz> and i am afraid that it is more to it than a kid stubbing 28 ppl in the street.
13:22 < mnemoc> :(
14:03 < CIA-3> aldas * r17639 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/ (spamassassin.conf spamassassin.desc spamassassin.init):
14:03 < CIA-3> * updated spamassassin (3.1.1 -> 3.1.2)
14:03 < CIA-3> * copyright update
14:15 < CIA-3> aldas * r17640 /trunk/package/x11/xscreensaver/ (glx_qd-fix.patch xscreensaver.conf xscreensaver.desc):
14:15 < CIA-3> * updated xscreensaver (4.23 -> 5.00)
14:15 < CIA-3> * removed glx_qd-fix.patch - obsolete
14:15 < CIA-3> * copyright update
14:21 < CIA-3> aldas * r17641 /trunk/package/x11/rss_glx/rss_glx.desc:
14:21 < CIA-3> * updated rss_glx (0.7.5 -> 0.8.1)
14:21 < CIA-3> * disabled "*.desktop" files
14:24 < valentin> hi
14:24 < valentin> any windows users here ?
14:24 < Baldzius> wrong channel :)
14:24 < valentin> i need to know where outlook express stores its data base
14:24 < Baldzius> moin valentin
14:24 < valentin> :(
14:25 < valentin> or at least how they are called so i can find them ?
14:26 < karasz> if it is XP is down there in the Documents and setting dir
14:27 < karasz> valentin: C:\Documents and Settings\karasz\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{523CE2F4-7774-40CE-A835-5D08958A9D1A}\Microsoft\Outlook Express
14:28 < karasz> files are called .dbx
14:28 < valentin> thanks
14:28 < karasz> np.
14:28 < valentin> think i founs something similar here
14:30 < karasz> valentin: it must be in the form of C:\Documents and Settings\$user\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\$godknowswhat\Microsoft\Outlook Express\....dbx
14:31 < karasz> although that $godknowswhat resembles a regkey...
14:32 < valentin> yep, looks like that
14:37 < valentin> hm, next stupid question. what is the zip syntax to create a .zip archive from an directory ? never compessed anything with zip for my entire live
14:37 < valentin> if i do zip dir.zip dir
14:37 < valentin> it only stores the directory without content
14:38 < valentin> zip -r dir.zip dir
14:38 < valentin> works
14:38 < karasz> be carefull about moving .dbx files...
14:39 < karasz> usually OE does not recognize them afterwards.
14:39 < karasz> if you have to move them you better use an app for that
14:40 < karasz> valentin: you can look around here http://www.oehelp.com/OEBackup/Default.aspx
14:42 < valentin> thanks karasz
14:43 < karasz> yw valentin
14:43 < valentin> theese outlook dbx files are quite huge
14:44 < karasz> lots of emails in them... maybe
14:44 < karasz> if not then u didn't compressed them
14:44 < karasz> there used to be some compress folders in OE back when i used it
14:54 < Lucifer_arma> where's the iso image? It says its done...
14:55 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: in the iso directory ?
14:55 < Lucifer_arma> no iso directory
14:55 < morfoh> Lucifer_arma: did you run ./scripts/Create-ISO ?
14:55 < Lucifer_arma> no. :)
14:57 < Lucifer_arma> Not a valid build:
15:01 < CIA-3> aldas * r17642 /trunk/package/security/pcsc-lite/ (4 files):
15:01 < CIA-3> * updated pcsc-lite (1.2.9-beta6 -> 1.3.1)
15:01 < CIA-3> * removed 00-pcsc-do-not-install-reader-conf.patch - obsolete
15:01 < CIA-3> * copyright update
15:02 < CIA-3> aldas * r17643 /trunk/package/security/openct/openct.desc:
15:02 < CIA-3> * updated openct (0.6.6 -> 0.6.7)
15:02 < CIA-3> * fixed [U] and [D] tags
15:16 < morfoh> Baldzius: hmmmm ...
15:18 < Baldzius> morfoh: what?
15:18 < morfoh> Baldzius: nothing ... sorry my fault :)
15:18 < Baldzius> :)
15:19 < morfoh> Baldzius: I just thought you removed a patch from me ... but it was a different package
15:19 < morfoh> :)
15:20 < Baldzius> heh, well you as always know how to scare me :)
15:22 < valentin> hm, for some reason winxp refuses to extract a linux zip created file
15:23 < karasz> builtin zip handling?
15:23 < karasz> forget it
15:23 < karasz> WInZip
15:23 < valentin> okay...
15:23 < valentin> windows is such a crap
15:24 < karasz> valentin: you tellin me? ;)
15:25 < valentin> everytime i have not used it for about two years i forget how bad it is
15:26 < karasz> valentin: i am daily reminded of that.
15:26 < valentin> then i think "hey, its not my favorite, but people use it, so it can't be too bad"
15:26 < valentin> and who implements an email client where you can't even backup data without doing strange hacks ?
15:27 < karasz> M$
15:30 < valentin> i need to buy winzip ?
15:30 < valentin> lol
15:30 < valentin> thought it was for free
15:30 < karasz> winzip?
15:30 < karasz> it was never free
15:30 < karasz> 7zip is free
15:30 < valentin> well, i'll download putty then and just scp the files
15:36 < CIA-3> aldas * r17644 /trunk/package/network/nginx/nginx.desc: * updated nginx (0.3.45 -> 0.3.47)
15:37 < CIA-3> aldas * r17645 /trunk/package/network/tor/tor.desc: * updated tor (0.1.0.17 -> 0.1.1.20)
15:37 < CIA-3> aldas * r17646 /trunk/package/network/tsclient/tsclient.desc: * updated tsclient (0.140 -> 0.148)
15:39 < CIA-3> amery * r17647 /trunk/package/multimedia/libfame/libfame.desc: * fixed libfame on x86_64 by using AUTOMAKE-QUIRK
15:44 < Lucifer_arma> so the boot kernel doesn't work in qemu
15:45 < Lucifer_arma> I'm getting a message that says "Uknown interrupt or fault at EIP somenumbers"
15:45 < mnemoc> i test my builds on qemu
15:46 < mnemoc> but x86
15:46 < Lucifer_arma> QEMU PC emulator version 0.7.0, Copyright (c) 2003-2004 Fabrice Bellard
15:46 < Lucifer_arma> I'm on x86
15:46 < Lucifer_arma> athlonMP to be precise :)
15:47 < Lucifer_arma> this is the kernel on the installer that's not working, don't know about the kernel for the OS I built
15:48 < valentin> karasz: i scp'ed the old Outlook folder on the computers desktop, and used the outlook express import function
15:48 < valentin> this worked
15:48 < valentin> the folders are there and all the emails are too
15:48 < karasz> good.
15:48 < mnemoc> Lucifer_arma: it's the same
15:48 < valentin> just the addressbook and provider properties are goon
15:48 < valentin> but that is not too bad
15:48 < karasz> they are not there.
15:49 < mnemoc> Lucifer_arma: the installer it's contructed using target's files
15:49 < karasz> addrss book and rules are held elswhere, unfortunatelly i don't know where :(
15:49 < valentin> karasz: thanks so far, i can search them. but as i said, they are not so important. shitty program, anyway
15:49 < Lucifer_arma> so is it a given then that the kernel is bad, or is it more likely that qemu just doesn't have that interrupt implemented?
15:50 * Lucifer_arma thinks qemu would probably output to the terminal he ran it from if the interrupt was stubbed
15:57 < valentin> sorry i am bugging you with win questions. is there a tool to read the registry under linux ?
15:57 < Lucifer_arma> vim?
15:57 < valentin> plain text ?
15:57 < valentin> nice
15:58 < karasz> valentin: http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdln_registry.htm
15:58 < Lucifer_arma> I don't know if it's plaintext, but that's what I'd try :
15:58 < Lucifer_arma> :)
15:58 * Lucifer_arma hasn't even seen a windows installed on his machines in a year
15:58 < valentin> i did not install any windows on my computers for about 9 years
16:00 < valentin> karasz: what file contains registry btw ?
16:00 < Lucifer_arma> it's 3 files, but I don't remember what they are or where they're at, just that it's 3 files
16:01 < valentin> 3 files... what the hell
16:01 < karasz> user.dat
16:01 < karasz> system.dat
16:01 < valentin> thanks
16:02 < karasz> right now i don't have a doze machine handy (irony of life ;) ) so i dunno the third if there is one...
16:07 < karasz> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
16:07 < karasz> sorry
16:08 < karasz> so as i stated before i don't have a doze machine handy, but i have inet
16:08 < karasz> valentin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_registry
16:08 < karasz> here you will find registry info for all windows versions
16:08 < CIA-3> aldas * r17648 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-back/gnustep-back.desc: * updated gnustep-back (0.10.2 -> 0.10.3)
16:09 < CIA-3> aldas * r17649 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-base/gnustep-base.desc: * updated gnustep-base (1.11.2 -> 1.12.0)
16:09 < Lucifer_arma> so does this qemu thing show me to definitively have a bad kernel?
16:09 < CIA-3> aldas * r17650 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-gui/gnustep-gui.desc: * updated gnustep-gui (0.10.2 -> 0.10.3)
16:09 < Lucifer_arma> if so, how do I fix it?
16:09 < CIA-3> aldas * r17651 /trunk/package/gnustep/gnustep-make/gnustep-make.desc: * updated gnustep-make (1.11.2 -> 1.12.0)
16:09 < mnemoc> Lucifer_arma: try to boot that disk on a real machine, if it does the problem is on qemu
16:09 < karasz> there are 7 registry files for NT based windows o_O
16:10 < Lucifer_arma> ok, I'll try that, thanks :)
16:11 < CIA-3> aldas * r17652 /trunk/package/gnustep/gorm/gorm.desc: * updated gorm (1.0.4 -> 1.0.8)
16:11 < CIA-3> aldas * r17653 /trunk/package/gnustep/gworkspace/gworkspace.desc: * updated gworkspace (0.7.2 -> 0.8.2)
16:13 < karasz> valentin: i don't want to be in your place if you want to play around with regfiles under xp :(
16:13 < mnemoc> go go go
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16:55 < CIA-3> aldas * r17654 /trunk/package/gnome2/pango/pango.desc:
16:55 < CIA-3> * updated pango (1.12.2 -> 1.12.3)
16:55 < CIA-3> * fixed [D] url
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17:23 < valentin> karasz: thanks for your help, but i think i'll shut xp down now
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17:24 < veki> hi
17:25 < mnemoc> wb veki
17:25 < veki> howa re you?
17:27 < mnemoc> good, and you?
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17:29 < veki> oh well, working, I will have to go soon, but I will be abck tonight ;)
17:29 < veki> back
17:30 < mnemoc> :)
17:30 < veki> :-)
17:37 < veki> cu later
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17:44 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: did koffice compile for you?
17:50 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: read your backlog ,-) now-7:40 :)
17:54 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: well, short answer... not it fails even with NOPARALLEL
17:54 < mnemoc> s/not/no/
17:54 < mnemoc> err
17:54 < mnemoc> s/not/no,/ :)
17:58 < _Ragnar_> ok
17:58 < _Ragnar_> so not my fault
17:58 < mnemoc> nope :)
17:59 < _Ragnar_> =)
17:59 < _Ragnar_> who did the update?:)
18:00 < mnemoc> the maintainer
18:02 < _Ragnar_> *g*
18:04 < karasz> re
18:05 < mnemoc> wb karasz
18:05 < karasz> thx companero mnemoc
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19:25 < karasz> hi rxr
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20:22 < keinek> hi
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21:01 < karasz> re
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