--- Log opened Thu May 18 00:00:08 2006
00:01 < karasz> gn8 mnemoc 
01:35 < karasz> cu guys
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05:21 < CIA-7> ragnar * r17509 /trunk/package/www/nvu/nvu.conf: * braindead fix for nvu configure ignoring --prefix option
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07:41 < karasz> moin moin
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08:00 < rxr_> re
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08:09 < karasz> hello rxr
08:17 < rxr> hi karasz 
08:56 < CIA-7> rene * r17510 /trunk/package/network/at76c503a/ (at76c503a.desc linux-2.6.16.patch): * updated at76c503a (2005-05-21 -> 2006-05-15), fixed it for linux-2.6.16
08:59 < valentin> moin
08:59 < valentin> rxr: thanx a lot !
09:23 < rxr> no problem
09:31 < CIA-7> rene * r17511 /trunk/package/powerpc/snd-aoa/ (7 files): * added snd-aoa (20051518) - New Apple ALSA sound driver
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09:52 < karasz> moin kommrad
09:52 < morfoh> moin tavarish
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10:21 < tdi> r
10:22 < tdi> e
10:24 < karasz> h
10:24 < karasz> i
10:32 < CIA-7> rene * r17512 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: * fixed glibc stubs32.h handling
10:33 < CIA-7> rene * r17513 /trunk/package/develop/ccache/parse-config: * temporarily disabled gcc ccache'ing since it fails on multilib build with rather strange errrors from time to time
10:34 < CIA-7> rene * r17514 /trunk/package/www/seamonkey/mozilla-conf.in: * fixed building of mozilla based packages on ppc64 due TOC overflow with -mminimal-toc
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11:15 < rxr> hi idealm, how is it in china ?
11:16 < idealm> It's raining here and Summer is coming :)
11:16 < idealm> How are you doing, rxr?
11:19 < idealm> T2 disappeared from top 100 list at distrowatch. Have you had any idea about it?
11:20 < rxr> why it disappeared?
11:20 < rxr> to few releases ,-)
11:21 < rxr> when I continue to bump out new releases in the next days we'll be there again
11:21 < CIA-7> rene * r17515 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: 
11:21 < CIA-7> * fixed parse-config to use the system uname know that we have a
11:21 < CIA-7>  wrapper and made it use uname2arch
11:22 < idealm> That's perfect.
11:23 < idealm> See this list. If you change T2 to 2T, it will be the first floor, and will be easier to find out. Just my personal opinion. http://distrowatch.com/search.php?category=All&origin=Germany&basedon=All&desktop=All&architecture=All&status=Active
11:25 < rxr> heh
11:26 < idealm> Anyway, best wishes to T2.
11:30 < tdi> has anybody used PLD?
11:31 < rxr> when the distro is as borken as their shadow and pam work I don't want to
11:32 < CIA-7> rene * r17516 /trunk/package/powerpc/snd-aoa/snd-aoa.desc: * better marked snd-aoa powerpc* only
11:36 < tdi> lol
11:36 < tdi> rxr: it is more borked
11:37 < tdi> we say in pl "PLD has no users, the only people that use PLD are developers"
11:51 < rxr> heh
12:02 < CIA-7> susan * r17517 /trunk/package/base/dmraid/ (. dmraid.cache dmraid.conf dmraid.desc): * added dmraid (1.0.0) - device-mapper Software RAID tool
12:04 [Users #t2]
12:04 [@ChanServ] [ idealm] [ LMJ    ] [ morfoh] [ sepp_   ] [ _Ragnar_] 
12:04 [ CIA-7   ] [ karasz] [ michal`] [ mtr   ] [ tdi     ] 
12:04 [ dsoul   ] [ laj   ] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr   ] [ valentin] 
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12:13 < rxr> mnemoc: why isn't device-mapper built by default ?
12:15 < mnemoc> it was beta on 2.1 and it just was neven changed on 2.2
12:18 < CIA-7> amery * r17518 /trunk/package/base/device-mapper/device-mapper.desc: * changed device-mapper to be enabled by default
12:20 < mnemoc> now a days it should also be X on 2.1
12:29 < rxr> ah
12:31 < CIA-7> rene * r17519 /trunk/package/base/dmraid/dmraid.desc: 
12:31 < CIA-7> * enabled dmraid by default, now that device-mapper is enabled
12:31 < CIA-7> * addded the .rc10 postfix to the Version tag
12:44 < karasz> bbl
12:58 < mnemoc> rxr: ah, i forgot to tell you. we have an UID collition at 2.2
12:58 < mnemoc> rxr: audio and dbus iirc
13:44 < rxr> we had audio and sound and not video
13:44 < rxr> I fixed that some days ago
13:46 < CIA-7> rene * r17520 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * reverted r17515 related change of using uname2arch, it was not a vaild exchange
13:52 < mnemoc> rxr: what about placing users there by default?
13:55 < rxr> hm?
13:55 < rxr> ah
13:56 < rxr> mostly depends on the admins policy
13:56 < mnemoc> and reviving the 'users' group?
13:57 < rxr> hm ?
13:57 < mnemoc> our default policies changed a lot with the imports done from fedora
13:58 < rxr> yeah done with the annoying ever breaking shadow and pam updates
13:58 < rxr> any default change was unintentionally and should be fix individually
14:00 < mnemoc> the base moved from 100 to 500, the death of users group, and mandatory wheel group for su and the default restriction for audio are the changes i ahve noticed
14:00 < mnemoc> 1000 to 500*
14:00 < rxr> as far as I know the base always was at 500
14:00 < mnemoc> nope
14:00 < rxr> it temporarly moved to 1000 though
14:01 < rxr> mnemoc: as long as I use ROCK the base always was 500
14:01 < rxr> and temporarily in t2 it was 1000 after some shadow/pam change
14:01 < mnemoc> # cat /etc/ROCK-VERSION 
14:01 < mnemoc> ROCK Linux 2.0.1 (2004/05/18)
14:01 < rxr> we have ldap:x:389 - the base can not be 100
14:01 < mnemoc> ^---- 1000
14:02 < mnemoc> 1000, it was a typo
14:02 < mnemoc> and 2.1 has it on 1000 too
14:02 < rxr> hm then this 1000 was an unintentional change
14:03 < mnemoc> but is what we have on our 'previous' stable branch
14:03 < mnemoc> and on the last stable of the project we forked from
14:04 < mnemoc> i don'T have any older installation running to compare with 1.4 or 1.7
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14:40 < karasz> re
14:40 < mnemoc> wb karasz 
14:40 < karasz> thank you mnemoc 
15:12 < CIA-7> susan * r17521 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/epiphany.desc: * updated epiphany (2.14.1 -> 2.14.1.1)
15:13 < CIA-7> susan * r17522 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.conf: * changed firefox extentions for epiphany
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15:48 < CIA-7> rene * r17523 /trunk/package/scientific/r/ (r.conf r.desc): * updated r (2.2.1 -> 2.3.0), fixed it for powerpc64 (minimal-toc)
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16:42 < mnemoc> rxr: curl: (47) Maximum (50) redirects followed <-- snd-aoa
16:45 < rxr> appears to work here
16:46 < rxr> Downloading snd-aoa:download/mirror/s/snd-aoa-20060518a.tar.bz2 ...
16:46 < rxr> Finished downloading 0 bytes in 0.132 seconds (0.000 bytes/sec).
16:46 < rxr> curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404
16:46 < rxr> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 22. Please read the curl manpage.
16:46 < rxr> INFO: download from mirror failed, trying original URL.
16:46 < rxr> ####################                                                      28.6%                     
16:47 < rxr> Finished downloading 3435121 bytes in 56.473 seconds (60827.000 bytes/sec).
16:47 < mnemoc> ######################################################################## 100.0%
16:47 < mnemoc> Finished downloading 334 bytes in 1.383 seconds (241.000 bytes/sec). 
16:47 < mnemoc> curl: (47) Maximum (50) redirects followed
16:47 < mnemoc> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 47. Please read the curl manpage.
16:49 < rxr> transparent proxy?
16:50 < rxr> I see no reason for this behaviour
16:53 < rxr> exact-image HEAD can now load GIF files - sigh
16:56 < mnemoc> same problem from my desktop
16:57 < rxr> tcpdump anything ?
16:57 < rxr> I am also remote of that server, I do not have a local connection that would expose a difference
16:58 < rxr> can you "click" on the file on the server from a browser
16:58 < rxr> also are you at HEAD ?
16:58 < rxr> ah - maybe you are not
16:58 < rxr> I had a year typo in the first commit and renamed on the server in the meantime as well
16:59 < mnemoc> $ svn info package/*/snd-aoa | grep Rev
16:59 < mnemoc> Revision: 17523
16:59 < mnemoc> Letzte geänderte Rev: 17516
17:02 < rxr> oh
17:02 < rxr> there was a pending commit that I wanted to await the test re-build
17:02 < CIA-7> rene * r17524 /trunk/package/powerpc/snd-aoa/snd-aoa.desc: * updated snd-aoa (20051518 -> 20060518a)
17:02 < rxr> cycling 404 page fixed on the server as well ,-)
17:02 < mnemoc> :)
17:03 < rxr> that snd-aoa supports one more PowerBook as well - if someone cares here ,-))
17:17 < mnemoc> how often do you push new files into your mirrors? at76c503a checkout fails
17:21 < morfoh> rxr: as we all know ... no one else than you is taking care here ... that's most probably the reason why you just can decide whatever you want without prior discussion with the t2 community (oh... can we really tell it community ?)
17:26 < rxr> morfoh: what's up eh?
17:28 < _Ragnar_> hmmm is knetconf still maintained?
17:28 < morfoh> rxr: your lag of communication regarding project related topics
17:28 < _Ragnar_> *g*
17:29 < rxr> _Ragnar_: when we notice something on it it get's fixed
17:30 < _Ragnar_> ../kvtree/kvtree.hh:21: warning: 'class kvtree::kvNode' has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor
17:30 < _Ragnar_> ../kvtree/kvtree.hh:88: warning: 'class kvtree::LineFactoryInstance' has virtual functions but non-virtual destructor
17:30 < _Ragnar_> and so on ... o_o
17:30 < rxr> morfoh: there is no lack of communication on my side - I tell about 2.2 since ages, I just set a date that oneone else does want to set or has time to do so
17:30 < rxr> _Ragnar_: well "just" warnings, no ?
17:31 < rxr> and I wrote that some days ago where noone responded to
17:31 < rxr> [t2] [ANNOUNCE] 2.2.0 release schedule
17:31 < _Ragnar_> and: ppp_device.hh:35: error: extra qualification 'PPPDevice::' on member 'SetPPPOE'
17:31 < rxr> Date: 
17:31 < rxr> 09.05.2006 17:29
17:31 < rxr> _Ragnar_: oh
17:31  * rxr fixing
17:32 < morfoh> rxr: but announcing sth. needs prior discussion ... at least that's my point of view. you're talking like you're the only person working on t2 ...
17:32 < rxr> morfoh: the release date is long overdue so what?
17:33 < rxr> I could have tagged 2.2.0 the days that is on paper for over a year or so but didn't
17:34 < mnemoc> you are really blind if you think we are close to have an stable SDEout of trunk
17:34 < morfoh> rxr: again ... we need discussion before ...
17:35 < rxr> if you think so
17:35 < rxr> tag mnemosyne in different ways
17:35 < mnemoc> T2 != desktop
17:35 < mnemoc> T2 != archivista
17:35 < mnemoc> T2 != mnemosyne
17:36 < rxr> mnemoc: fix what you want fixed - fullstop
17:36 < mnemoc> T2 is an SDE, and currently the trunk is less usable as SDE than 2.1
17:36 < rxr> mnemoc: if you are not going to fix major issues in the next weeks, what is your point ?
17:36 < rxr> when corner cases are broken then it must be noone is using them - otherwise they would be long fixes
17:36 < rxr> fixed
17:37 < mnemoc> rxr: i don't have time to hack on T2 currently, and i consider very irresponsable from yuu to be pushing a release of an version of T2 which is not ready for that
17:37 < mnemoc> my point is to not announce a lie
17:37 < rxr> and yes, I think I do most of the hard maintaining on t2, doing core work like cross building, uname wrapper, the harder 3rd party kernel module patchery, and doing most architecture ports
17:37 < rxr> what do you propose raise some clones out of some cells ?
17:37 < rxr> I think it is ready
17:38 < rxr> I think it is better to have new people look on t2 because of major versions than hidding it in some dark corner and let it bitrotting because noone works on certain corner areas that obviously noone us using
17:38 < mnemoc> we can'T release a 2.2 which can't do what 2.1 can
17:38 < rxr> and I alyways said I prefer release early relase often
17:39 < rxr> do you think linux 1.0 or 2.0 or 2.2 was "finished"
17:39 < rxr> we have a lot of new stuff in 2.2 and the normal use cases work way better than ever
17:39 < rxr> thus relase
17:39 < mnemoc> no, but at least they always implemented what was implemented on the previous release
17:39 < rxr> like 2.6 has devfs, right ?
17:40 < mnemoc> pff
17:40 < rxr> like Xfree 4 has all s3 drivers xfree 3 had ?
17:40 < rxr> not to mention nvidia 3d acceleartion that was available for xfree3 in an open source way but noone maintained it ?
17:41 < rxr> what are you missing in 2.2 ? just module skipping in hotplug++ ?
17:41 < rxr> what we might rm soon because they change udev and the kernel API more often than I want adapt hotplug++?
17:42 < _Ragnar_> o_o
17:42 < mnemoc> it makes no sense to talk so someone who doesn't hear and belives he owns the project
17:43 < _Ragnar_> what is the problem atm?
17:43 < _Ragnar_> the trunk I recently installed works fine
17:43 < _Ragnar_> mostly :)
17:43 < rxr> mnemoc: since you and morfoh pissed on me majorly I do not listen to you much anymore - that is correct
17:44 < morfoh> rxr: common ... who is pissing on whom here ? read your f* mails on the ML ... who is pissing ? heh ?
17:44 < morfoh> rxr: I could even start pissing on you ... 
17:44 < morfoh> rxr: but I guess you will not survive
17:45 < morfoh> wtf
17:45 < _Ragnar_> please ... calm down o_o
17:45 < rxr> morfoh: I'm sure I'll survive - but the case is set already anyway
17:56 < CIA-7> rene * r17525 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/gcc-4.1.patch: * fixed knetconf for gcc-4.1
17:56 < _Ragnar_> thx rene
17:57 < rxr> before I leave for today, morfoh it has a reason I can not employ mnemoc and I offered him the flight back and 2 more payed month when he is back there to help him get into life there - that he is now in your flat and trying other things is not my fault - your constant bashing and pissing since then does not change this
17:58 < _Ragnar_> oh >.< rl trouble :/
17:58 < rxr> and I tried to call you at that time serveral times to talk about this in private what you rejeted and instead wanted to discuss this here in IRC "as real grown ups do" or so where your words that can be found in the log
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18:01 < rxr> and when you want to see someting fixed in trunk then fix it
18:02 < rxr> I seed test builds of 2.2 to an wider audience for some time (various arch desktop builds) and have fixed all isues revealed and use trunk for anything I do (+ the mentioned additional cross build tweaks to cross build X ...) without issues
18:04 < rxr> _Ragnar_: I hope knetconf builds thru, it is not lib64 aware and I  have not fully tested it on this ppc64 box
18:05 < _Ragnar_> I'll try it ... might take some time tho with glibc rebuild
18:05 < valentin> .oO maybe i need to take a look at knetconf some day - main development stopped about 1y ago
18:06 < valentin> who is the13 and why is he leaving this channel so quick ?
18:07 < _Ragnar_> scriptkiddie? :)
18:10 < morfoh> rxr: by repeating false information again and again the information will not become true ... and sorry the current issue has nothing to do with your assumption for being connected with the issue you tried to show here ... and I think you've never thought about your subtile way of bashing people you dislike while writing mails to the ML
18:24 < valentin> how about just stop all those ad-hominem attacs now, and be constructive. i.e. volunteering to fix those issues you find important and give a deadline when that issue will be fixed.
18:26 < valentin> the current epsilon i have installed is far more good than any suse X.0 i have seen so far...
18:26 < valentin> so why not release soon ?
18:29 < mnemoc> i have nothing against a 2.2.0 soon, i'm just asking for having what was doable on 2.1 on it. but currently i can't spend much time on fixing the missing parts
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19:14 < tdi> morfoh: hej
19:14 < tdi> has nothing changed?
19:14 < tdi> you arrive 2morrow?
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19:37 < LMJ> moins moin
19:37 < karasz> moin LMJ 
19:37 < LMJ> so, great news from rxr, t2 2.2 will come soon ;)
19:37 < mnemoc> moin tdi, LMJ, karasz 
19:37 < LMJ> hello karasz & michal` 
19:37 < LMJ> mnemoc ** ;)
19:37 < mnemoc> :)
19:37 < mnemoc> i like rsbac, but i'm not michal` 
19:39 < karasz> mnemoc: ?
19:40 < tdi> moin
19:40 < karasz> thx for the greeting, but i was here, you were here....
19:40 < karasz> tdi
19:40 < karasz> h
19:40 < karasz> i
19:41 < mnemoc> karasz: i wasn'T, i was eating :)
19:42 < karasz> well..ok then 
19:42 < karasz> sugar based?
19:43 < mnemoc> nope, pasta based
19:43 < tdi> brown coal based pasta 
19:44 < mnemoc> :)
19:44 < karasz> hmmm this brown coal
19:45 < karasz> luckily sepp is not around.
19:49 < morfoh> hi LMJ 
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19:56 < LMJ> hello morfoh 
20:02 < morfoh> how is it joda master ?
20:03 < mnemoc> LOL
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21:21 < karasz> finaly removed Look2Me....
21:23 < mnemoc> ?
21:24  * morfoh looks at tavarish karasz 
21:26 < karasz> Adaware.Look2Me nasty trojan...
21:26 < karasz> bbl
21:26 < mnemoc> trojans? isn't that a windows thing?
21:27 < morfoh> bbl karasz 
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22:00 < sepp> moin
22:02 < morfoh> moin sepp 
22:02 < sepp> hi morfoh 
22:08 < karasz> back
22:08 < karasz> moin sepp 
22:09 < karasz> mnemoc: ofcourse it is a *doze thingie... remember that i am exiled?
22:10 < morfoh> wb tavarish karasz 
22:10 < karasz> thx kommrad morfoh 
22:10 < morfoh> sepp: how is the coal ?
22:10 < karasz> again?
22:10 < sepp> brown
22:10 < karasz> guys when did you had the last checkup?
22:11 < karasz> you know, friendly faces, pretty nurses guys in white robes...
22:14 < sepp> actually i worry a bit about t2 lately - i do not want to know why everyone is sick about each other, but please stop it
22:14 < mnemoc> :(
22:14 < karasz> i am not sick.
22:14 < mnemoc> .oO( neither do i )o
22:14 < karasz> but i wonder why i feel lately as a mohican... :(
22:15 < tdi> samba+ldap is a evil thing
22:15 < mnemoc> nah, peace of cake :)
22:15 < karasz> tdi never trust a project named after a dance.
22:15 < mnemoc> after the 6th time :p
22:15 < tdi> nope
22:16 < tdi> mnemoc: f* i do it for the 4th time now
22:16 < mnemoc> tdi: you are getting closer :)
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22:26 < sepp> for some weeks the mood in #t2 and the ml is rather harsh :(
22:27 < morfoh> sepp: unfortunately yes
22:27 < mnemoc> every family has it's bad moments :)
22:29 < sepp> but not every "family" is as small as t2
22:31 < mnemoc> you need just 2 to make a family, and even in that case you have bad periods
22:32 < mnemoc> but yes, the weather is quite ugly these days :\
22:34 < sepp> even families with 2 members divorce - i just hope there will be no t3...
22:35 < mnemoc> i hope not
22:41 < morfoh> sepp: I hope that too, but while reading the last mails on the ml carefully chances are quite high that there is even sth. more worse than a fork
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22:55 < sepp> morfoh: that is my fear
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23:07 < keinek> hu guys
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23:11 < karasz> hi keinek
23:12 < keinek> karasz, new stable trunk for 2.2 ??
23:13 < karasz> stable trunk?
23:13 < keinek> yes
23:13 < karasz> there is no such thing as stable trunk
23:13 < keinek> i read something in the mail list
23:13 < karasz> it is stable or it is trunk
23:13 < karasz> yes, rxr prepares a 2.2 stable release.
23:14 < karasz> which is due in the very near future.
23:14 < keinek> ok ok
23:14 < keinek> the new stable from the lastest trunk 2.2
23:14 < karasz> yes.
23:14 < keinek> when is ready for download ??
23:14 < karasz> i am sure that it will be announced on ML
23:14 < karasz> other than that i don't know.
23:15 < karasz> but i guess you won't see a stable before a rc.
23:15 < karasz> first the rc then the stable
23:15 < karasz> so if you want the real stable that will be latter.
23:19 < keinek> ok... i like the realease candidate :P
23:19 < keinek> in 10 days, i have again adsl :P
23:20 < keinek> so... you will see me again, day after day, so i play t2 everdy day, and download sources... now i use dial up conection.
23:20 < keinek> :P
23:20 < karasz> well that may be just in time, I don't know
23:20 < karasz> and my guess is that now only rxr can tell you when he wants to tag the rc
23:21 < keinek> i sure read that in the mail list :P
23:21 < karasz> it will be good to have you back keinek ;)
23:21 < keinek> :)
23:29 < karasz> cu guys
23:33 < keinek> cu karasz 
23:33 < keinek> :)
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23:58 < keinek> :)
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