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07:02 < mtr> moin
07:07 < CIA-7> mtr * r17432 /trunk/package/multimedia/vlc/ (gcc41.patch lib64.patch vlc.desc): 
07:07 < CIA-7> * updated vlc (0.8.4a -> 0.8.5)
07:07 < CIA-7> * removed obsolete libdir and gcc41 patches
07:52 < rxr> re
08:00 < mtr> moin rxr 
08:03 < rxr> moin mtr 
08:05 < CIA-7> rene * r17433 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.16.11 -> 2.6.16.16)
08:12 < CIA-7> mtr * r17434 /trunk/architecture/share/ (kernel-block.conf.m4 kernel-net.conf.m4): * enable kernel support for Fibre Channel and Fusion-MPT devices
08:36 < rxr> mtr is going into the big computer business (tm) ?
08:36 < CIA-7> rene * r17435 /trunk/package/develop/mercurial/mercurial.desc: * updated mercurial (0.8.1 -> 0.9)
08:37 < CIA-7> rene * r17436 /trunk/target/desktop/kernel.conf: * removed FUSION disabling from the desktop target
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08:38 < mtr> rxr: no plans to do so, i still prefer the small embedded ones ... ;-)
08:40 < mtr> but vmware emulates a LSI 53C1020 mpt device, and our initrd currently lacks this driver 
08:44 < rxr> ah, ic
08:58 < CIA-7> mtr * r17437 /trunk/package/network/hostap/ (7 files): 
08:58 < CIA-7> * updated hostap (0.3.9 -> 0.4.9)
08:58 < CIA-7>  to recommended stable version
08:58 < CIA-7> * disable hostap-driver for linux26, the kernel drivers should be used instead
08:58 < CIA-7>  (http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2006-April/013019.html)
08:59 < CIA-7> * update copyrights
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09:26 < morfoh> moin
09:44 < tdi> mojn
09:44 < tdi> oh
09:44 < tdi> moin
09:45 < rxr> moin morfoh & tdi 
09:47 < tdi> moin rxr
09:49 < morfoh> moin tdi & rxr
10:11 < mtr> moin morfoh & tdi
10:13 < morfoh> moin mtr :)
10:18 < rxr> cu
10:19 < morfoh> cu 
10:24 < tdi> cu 
10:24 < tdi> is it a greeting channel ?
10:24 < morfoh> cu tdi :)
10:25 < morfoh> tdi: seems that most people are busy :)
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10:27 < Tauras> hllo
10:28 < Tauras> do you have automatic dependency tracking in t2?
10:29 < Tauras> I mean one library was changed after some time, so you will build that library again
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10:30 < Tauras> but will system track that dependent binaries sould be rebuilt?
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11:33 < mnemoc> Tauras: we store the previusly detected build-time dependencies on the .cache file, and those dependencies are used to sort the packages during build and also by Emerge-Pkg to build locally
11:36 < Tauras> but it dows not instruct to rebuild dependent packages...
11:36 < Tauras> *does
11:37 < mnemoc> all the 'old' packages are scheduled for rebuild
11:37 < Tauras> untill now, I have read most of your code so 'understand' maybe a half :)
11:37 < mnemoc> if you want to also reschuedule the dependers which are not old you have to play with your bash skills a bit
11:38 < Tauras> my bash skills are not so bad ;)
11:38 < mnemoc> so it will be easy ,-)
11:39 < mnemoc> just grep for all thepackage/*/$pkg/ $pkg.cache which has $foo as dependency
11:39 < mnemoc> grep -l | cut -d/ -f3 for example
11:40 < Tauras> did u heard about conary packager by rpath?
11:41 < mnemoc> not that i remember
11:41 < Tauras> wiki.conary.com
11:42 < Tauras> I'll try to find time to study them too, they have similar approach to t2
11:43 < Tauras> do you have some general tools to search for a package, or find a name of package containing specific file?
11:44 < Tauras> something like rpm or dpkg do
11:45 < Tauras> u have metadata, but no improvements toward simplicity
11:46 < mnemoc> grep
11:46 < Tauras> :)
11:46 < mnemoc> /var/adm/*/ 
11:47 < Tauras> thats the problem that rock and t2 did not get recognized... system for developer and sysadmins :)
11:48 < mnemoc> becasue we are too small to spend time on more 'user friendly' stuff
11:48 < mnemoc> not because we don'T want to
11:48 < Tauras> i agree, lack of time is always vital
11:49 < Tauras> but even for me it took a while...
11:49 < Tauras> long time ago I was playing with rock, much on user level, as a result I moved to gentoo
11:50 < mnemoc> outch
11:51 < Tauras> in the comapny i'm warking now nobody ever heard about rock and t2, but was looking for some implementation od 'emerge' not in python
11:52 < Tauras> so what are your goals guys now?
11:53 < mnemoc> i guess that answer is more for a talk on a congress than for a few lines on IRC :)
11:54 < Tauras> hmm :) I'm not subscribed
11:54 < mnemoc> :)
11:55 < mnemoc> we have to be known to get more people, and we need more poeple to grow and get known
11:59 < mnemoc> and each of us is figthing to solve that, but as individuals or a bunch of people. nothing formal yet
11:59 < Tauras> then you should be able to unswer questions like: What is the benefit of t2 system? Everything is build from sources, but what are benifits compared to gentoo? You claim it is SDE, but what is about Conary SDE? ... and so on
11:59 < mnemoc> morfoh is writting a paper about that
11:59 < Tauras> is it on the wiki?
12:00 < mnemoc> nope, we don'T have wiki
12:00 < Tauras> is there 'draft' version available online?
12:00 < mnemoc> as i old you, everthing is done individually here, just sharing an svn repo
12:00 < mnemoc> neither
12:00 < mnemoc> yet
12:00 < Tauras> u have wiki... hmm
12:01 < mnemoc> died of hunger long time ago
12:01 < morfoh> Tauras: there will be a paper derived from a talk next week
12:02 < Tauras> :) I'm really waiting for it and would like contribute my 2 cents
12:02 < morfoh> Tauras: yeah .... thanks... feedback will be haghly welcome :)
12:03 < mnemoc> :)
12:05 < Tauras> my use case for t2 is as following: I built t2 environment build/default-generic; then created superset of scripts to reuse it just to build packages (not really emerging) so using it always in chroot
12:05 < rxr> Tauras: the handbook and homepage outlines the differences already
12:07 < Tauras> so like this one has gentoo, other has fedora, third debian, but everyone uses same set and versions in their SDE
12:08 < Tauras> it is like one of the ways to escape from virtual machines
12:11 < Tauras> ahh, regarding wiki, I saw new site based on Plone other day
12:11 < Tauras> https://www2.t2-project.org/
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13:51 < karasz> moin moin
14:00 < mnemoc> moin karasz 
14:05 < karasz> hello mnemoc ;)
14:05 < karasz> wazup?
14:09 < karasz> first todays' rant:
14:10 < mnemoc> the device-mapper and lvm2 we have a truck is borken and i can't get my remote server back :(
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14:10 < karasz> `In a contry in which the medium waige is around 2oo euro, is it normal that 1 square meter of building is costing 12oo-15oo euro?`
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14:11 < mnemoc> o_O
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14:11 < madtux> 0_o
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14:12 < mnemoc> wb madtux 
14:12 < madtux> danke mnemoc.
14:14 < karasz> incoming daily:
14:15 < karasz> `Governments were never moral beings.`
14:15 < karasz> Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
14:16 < mnemoc> "were" or "have never been" ?
14:17 < karasz> the quote is like I pasted it...
14:18 < karasz> at least on wikiquote... http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alexander_Solzhenitsyn
14:18 < mnemoc> i was questioning the quotte :)
14:19 < mnemoc> were means past
14:19 < mnemoc> but imo it's past and present
14:19 < karasz> hmm... 
14:19 < karasz> i guess that it is an english grammar subtility..
14:20 < mnemoc> :)
14:20 < karasz> to me looks like somebody is responding to some guy that say 'Governement is not moral'
14:21 < karasz> in this case were is not past.
14:21 < mnemoc> that is present
14:21 < mnemoc> but the 'were' is just past
14:21 < karasz> in this case were is not past.
14:22 < karasz> more like past progressive inho...
14:24 < karasz> but, i am not a native speacker, so i might be wrong
14:24 < karasz> maybe _Ragnar_ can sort us out?
14:24 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: please solve this, what does a 'were' tells about the present?
14:25 < mnemoc> but i guess he said it in russian anyway ,-)
14:26 < karasz> almost certanly.
14:26 < karasz> mnemoc: http://www.iei.uiuc.edu/structure/Structure1/tenses.html
14:27 < karasz> if you look at the end, `BE as a main verb` you will find past progressive.
14:27 < mnemoc> thanks
14:29 < karasz> but then again, I am not a native speacker and my knowledge is somehow limited.
14:30 < karasz> and maybe, i say maube, if you were in his place you will have written it in past tense too, but think of it as a perpetuous action ;)
14:31 < mnemoc> :)
14:32 < mnemoc> as i understand the table 'were' is simple past, and ' had been being' (my proposed fix' is past progressive ,-)
14:34 < karasz> well, grammar was never my strong side, so up to everybody how do they interpret it.
14:34 < karasz> but i think that you just have to look around ;)
14:34 < mnemoc> :)
14:36 < karasz> well, daily just got a new section: Daily funniest
14:36 < karasz> `I couldn't find the remote control to the remote control.`
14:36 < karasz> Steven Wright.
14:36 < karasz> brb
15:02 < karasz> re
15:08 < mnemoc> b karasz 
15:08 < mnemoc> wb*
15:24 < karasz> thx
15:27 < Tauras> good weekend all
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15:28 < karasz> same 2u2 Ta
15:32 < mnemoc> he always run away on fridays :)
15:32 < karasz> ;)
15:33 < karasz> i do that on Sundays, don't I?
15:34 < mnemoc> uh, i have not noticed :(
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16:59 < CIA-7> amery * r17439 /trunk/package/network/iptables/rocknet_iptables.sh: * fixed ugly -d (iptables) duplication on rocknet/conduit
17:01 < CIA-7> amery * r17440 /trunk/package/base/lvm2/lvm2.desc: * updated lvm2 (2.02.04 -> 2.02.05) - 2.02.03 and 2.02.04 are broken
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21:54 < veki> hi
21:55 < mnemoc> wb veki 
21:55 < veki> how are you
21:55 < mnemoc> tired, and you? ,-)
21:55 < karasz> hello veki 
21:56 < veki> ooh. I have had today crazy day, I have to go to USa to conference, I did not receive tickets, I aksed for replacement a, but Lufthansda told me that there is no replacement,. only new tickets...
21:56 < mnemoc> oh
21:56 < karasz> :(
21:56 < veki> and I succeded to get new tickets without additional paying, but my airplane is tomorrow at 6AM and I have to be at tairport at 4AM,
21:56 < mnemoc> f* german
21:56 < mnemoc> s
21:56 < veki> I agree completely
21:57 < mnemoc> :)
21:57 < veki> firstly they said thatthey weill replace, and later they denied whic is not nice from them
21:57  * karasz rolling a cigarette, not arguing with anybody.
21:59 < veki> good
21:59 < veki> do not srink and drive, roll your own and fly ;)
22:00 < veki> drink
22:00 < karasz> :)
22:00 < karasz> whatever that means ;)
22:00 < veki> ;)
22:00 < mnemoc> *g*
22:01 < veki> I am sinless except that I Like sweets ;)
22:01 < karasz> sinless?
22:01 < veki> therefore Linux Center si 15 meters from very old and excellent sweet shop ;)
22:04 < veki> they have excellent chocolate tort, after two pieces you can climb on buildings like Spiderman
22:04 < karasz> :) i bet...
22:04 < mnemoc> chocolate?
22:05 < veki> yes
22:05  * karasz preferes coffee based sweets, but if none available chocco will do...
22:05 < mnemoc> *g*
22:05 < veki> oh there are coffee based cakes also, and excelent Tiramisu
22:05 < karasz> hmmm, i wonder if i can buy the recepie...
22:06 < veki> ayer twp Tiramisu pieces you say as SUperman: Sorry, I must fly!..
22:06 < karasz> for the chocco cake
22:06  * mnemoc needs sugar
22:06 < karasz> mnemoc: chocco, i told you ...
22:06 < veki> sweet shop I talk about is more than 100 years old and it i svery very good ;)
22:06 < veki> therefore I can be awake so long ;)
22:06 < mnemoc> :)
22:06 < karasz> veki: let's do a business
22:07 < veki> http://bbrv.blogspot.com/
22:07 < veki> check that link
22:07 < karasz> you provide the Spiderman cacke, and i sell it for ppl that do not have elevators....
22:07 < veki> good :-)
22:07 < karasz> cheep, environment friendly....
22:08 < veki> good
22:18 < karasz> hmmm time to close the store
22:18 < karasz> cu guys
22:19 < veki> cu 
22:19 < veki> or eat chocolate cake and you will not sleep ;)
22:43 < veki> guys I hav eto rest a bit , because I have to wake up in 2 hours :(
22:43 < veki> cu
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