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00:00 < morfoh> and I also think that it fits quite well regarding the Iran "issue"
00:00 < morfoh> cui bono ?
00:01 < jsaw> why then the danish?
00:01 < jsaw> doesn't make sense to me
00:02 < morfoh> jsaw: do you know the danish government ?
00:04 < morfoh> jsaw: they are close allies to whom ? fighting for freedom and democracy .... ehrmmm ... and "sometimes" for energy ressources
00:04 < morfoh> jsaw: this makes really sense to me ... or what do you think
00:07 < morfoh> who is the real "threat" for the world ? Iran ? or any other muslim country ?
00:07 < morfoh> who has about 800 foreign military bases ?
00:07 < morfoh> why do they have them ?
00:08 < jsaw> reference please
00:08 < morfoh> for what ? the number ?
00:08 < jsaw> yep
00:08 < morfoh> moment
00:08 < morfoh> I think it were about 790 or so ... moment
00:18 < morfoh> f* I can't find the article in the online archive ... I'll search it out of my paper archive tomorrow and scan it for you ... sorry
00:18 < morfoh> jsaw: but I was also wondering about the huge number
00:19 < jsaw> so, did I get that right, US? has 800 bases?
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00:20 < morfoh> jsaw: yep ... nearly
00:20 < jsaw> whatever, it still doesn't make sense to me. It is partially suicide. 
00:23 < jsaw> The Iran issue is not really connected. It was clear that they would try to do it their way.
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00:23 < morfoh> wb owl :)
00:26 < jsaw> one could also ask the "cui bono" question exactly the other way round.
00:28 < morfoh> also with your "suicide" argument? or did I misunderstood ?
00:30 < jsaw> no, as the fundamentalists won't care to die
00:34 < morfoh> jsaw: what do you think ... how many percent of the muslims are "fundamentalists" ?
00:34 < morfoh> so called!
00:35 < morfoh> and btw, why does the US favour fundamentalists regimes ?
00:35 < morfoh> and fighting mostly against secular islamic states ?
00:35 < _Ragnar_> the US has a fundamentalists regime itself
00:36 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: not to mention that ;)
00:37 < morfoh> in fact the US is supporting the most "fundamentaist" islamic country .. named Saudi Arabia
00:38 < jsaw> who cares how many these are, those that are, are loud enough
00:38 < morfoh> and why did both supported the taliban before the afghanistan war ?
00:38 < jsaw> I don't get the connection to the present case
00:40 < jsaw> (but being at it, we have our share, too)
00:40 < morfoh> jsaw: I think the "fundamentalists" are playing a nice role ... justifying a war for "freedom and democracy" ... or isn't it ?
00:40 < jsaw> no
00:41 < morfoh> you'll need reasons for "selling" a war to the people which will pay the war
00:41 < _Ragnar_> democracy, pah
00:41 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: I quoted it ...
00:41 < jsaw> US did it, because they had a massive economic problem. We didn't follow, for the same reason, but because Iraq bought a lot from us.
00:42 < jsaw> Or do you really think Schroeder denied because he's such a peaceful guy
00:42 < jsaw> pah
00:43 < morfoh> there are so many examples where lies where the base for justify a war ... entry of the US in WW2, Vietnam, Iraq
00:43 < morfoh> jsaw: did he denied ?
00:43 < jsaw> yes, officially. But US is also an economic "partner", so...
00:44 < morfoh> f* the economical reason ... there are people dieing
00:44 < jsaw> and?
00:45 < morfoh> what would you say if your children were born disabled because of depleted uranium ammo ?
00:46 < morfoh> what would you do ?
00:46 < morfoh> would you became a "fundamentalist" ?
00:48 < morfoh> of course there _just_ economical reasons for war ... but I can't accept your "and" ... sorry :)
00:48 < _Ragnar_> ?
00:49 < _Ragnar_> economical reasons are about 95% of this war
00:49 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: and the other 5% ?
00:50 < morfoh> showing the world the big balls of the US ?
00:51 < jsaw> believe it or not, but there are indeed ppl out there that do stuff because they really think it's the right thing
00:51 < _Ragnar_> no, bushs zealotism
00:53 < morfoh> of course they believe that is the right thing ... because they are doing it since hundreds of years
00:58 < jsaw> Don't you do that too (while not since 100th but only since some 38)?
00:58 < jsaw> The question is, honestly, who is right and who has the right to judge?
00:59 < jsaw> Is it really so easy to say, the war against Iraq was wrong, as well as the war of the terrorists is wrong?
00:59 < morfoh> jsaw: you make me older than I am
00:59 < jsaw> morfoh: I meant the herritage of the 1968
01:00 < morfoh> in that case ... yes it is easy to say 
01:00 < jsaw> no no no.
01:00 < jsaw> That's a real Schroedingers cat dilemma.
01:01 < morfoh> I think the war against Iraq is wrong, and the "mysterious" fight against terrorism is wrong too 
01:01 < morfoh> jsaw: btw, wh are the terrorists ?
01:03 < jsaw> I only used the word because it's easier to write, I wouldn't use it if I had time to explain 
01:03 < jsaw> IRL would be great now
01:04 < jsaw> everybody, that would kill somebody to protect ones own family belongs to the aura of what I would call terrorist
01:05 < jsaw> only that the western world specifically allows self defense - but doesn't allow those poor ppl their self defense
01:09 < morfoh> jsaw: OT: mnemosyne@live is looking quite good too ;)
01:10 < jsaw> :)
01:10 < morfoh> jsaw: but I have the /dev/tty: No such device or address
01:10 < jsaw> yeah....
01:10 < morfoh> didn't you fixed that on the installer target ?
01:10 < jsaw> edit initrdinit, add mknod /dev/tty c 5 0
01:11 < jsaw> mnemoc already complained
01:11 < morfoh> jsaw: thanks ;)
01:11 < jsaw> and don't forget to re-run mkinitrd...
01:12 < morfoh> jsaw: yep ... I didn't forget it the last time, but my tree was borked ;)
01:13 < jsaw> (I didn't even remember that you forgot it the last time...)
01:13 < jsaw> morfoh: would you allow Iran to have a nuclear bomb?
01:13 < morfoh> jsaw: nope
01:13 < jsaw> why not?
01:14 < _Ragnar_> I would also not allow israel (or in fact anybody) to have one
01:14 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: ack ... thanks for the answer ;)
01:15 < jsaw> that's not an answer, that's an excuse...
01:15 < morfoh> jsaw: israel has nuclear weapons, and they didn't sign any agreement 
01:15 < jsaw> so why not Iran?
01:17 < morfoh> jsaw: no country should have them ... that's the answer ... but I can imagine what you're trying ... evil mullahs heh ? or am I wrong ?
01:18 < _Ragnar_> lets not confuse issues too much here tho ... iran mainly wants nuclear power
01:18 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: yep ... that's all
01:18 < morfoh> and in contrast to israel they signed agreements, allowing inspectors, ....
01:19 < _Ragnar_> something the US even suggested to them in the 70s ... and which makes sense too since they have their own uranium deposits
01:19 < _Ragnar_> now they also want a breeder
01:20 < _Ragnar_> to recycle their disposed fuel rods
01:20 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: yep
01:20 < _Ragnar_> instead of shipping those to russia to be recycled
01:21 < morfoh> why nobody blames Pakistan for having the bomb ?
01:21 < morfoh> another example of souble standards
01:21 < morfoh> double
01:21 < _Ragnar_> if they really need that I cannot argue about ... but I think the use of that technology can be controlled quite well
01:22 < jsaw> this technology comes at the cost of being able to abuse it.
01:22 < jsaw> still my question stands.
01:22 < morfoh> jsaw: but you was using this technology against humans ?
01:22 < morfoh> s/you/who/
01:23 < morfoh> I just know one country 
01:23 < jsaw> .oO(why do I get only counterquestions?)
01:24 < morfoh> jsaw: what do wanna hear ? why not iran ? ... why aren't you satisfied with the answer that no country should have an atomic bomb ... or even thousands of it
01:24 < morfoh> why are you that focused on that question ?
01:24 < jsaw> I want to know it. We can't discuss anymore about those that have it.
01:25 < jsaw> .oO(again counterquestions)
01:25 < jsaw> anxiety?
01:26 < _Ragnar_> that seems to be a common way of faux news here putting in and focussing on ONE question instead of the whole picture
01:28 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: yeah ... I cannot understand ... what's the difference between the US and the Iran in that case 
01:28 < jsaw> You assume something. I haven't told you anything about what I think.
01:28 < jsaw> You just give excuses so you don't have to answer that question.
01:28 < morfoh> jsaw: I asked you to give u your view
01:28 < jsaw> Why?
01:29 < morfoh> what excuse ? why are you excusing i.e. the US for having an atomic bomb ?
01:30 < _Ragnar_> the way you try to frame the issue already speaks volumes about your intention
01:30 < morfoh> or pakistan, india, russia, israel, france, gb, ...
01:30 < jsaw> hehe, okay, let's flame.
01:30 < morfoh> jsaw: I don't want to flame 
01:31 < morfoh> I just want to know why you're focused on that question ... 
01:31 < morfoh> again ... tell me difference between any country which have an atomic bomb ?
01:32 < jsaw> I wouldn't mind if Iran uses those facilities to build a bomb. It is their right to do it if they want to. It would be a great opportunity for the western world to bring education into that country.
01:32 < morfoh> I think we have to fear them all ... 
01:32 < morfoh> what ?
01:33 < jsaw> You just don't want to answer because you ARE FUCKING afraid of the mis-use of nuclear power
01:33 < _Ragnar_> yes we are
01:33 < morfoh> yeah ... but as I told it doesn't matter what country
01:34 < jsaw> But we are in a state where many countries have it.
01:34 < morfoh> and again ... I just know one country which used the bomb agains people
01:34 < jsaw> And the question was now, why not another country.
01:34 < jsaw> And especially why not Iran?
01:34 < _Ragnar_> see the cartoon issue
01:35 < jsaw> That doesn't matter. They know how fast the US would click the knob.
01:35 < jsaw> Damn, they are not stupid.
01:35 < morfoh> but who are "they" ?
01:35 < jsaw> Iran
01:36 < _Ragnar_> hey the US made an alcoholic a president ... do you really expect the iranians to be more intelligent? :)
01:37 < morfoh> anyway ... the US can't click the "button" that easily ...
01:37 < jsaw> it is incredibly intelligent to dupe more than 50% of a country
01:37 < morfoh> the "ground" has to be prepared
01:37 < _Ragnar_> no it just takes money
01:38 < morfoh> we see how easy it is to dupe a country like Iraq
01:38 < _Ragnar_> and a little from the propaganda books of the 3rd reich which rove seems to have studied extensively
01:40 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: ack ... not to mention the allumni of the Chicago "Law School" which was deeply inspired by former Nazis
01:40 < jsaw> Chamenei does the same, so what?
01:41 < jsaw> Our leaders do it too.
01:41 < morfoh> that is not making the things right
01:41  * jsaw needs a cig for this inspiring (but also a bit sad in terms of the topic) discussion
01:42 < jsaw> s/a bit//
01:42 < _Ragnar_> yes ... everyone does it because, face the fact, ppl are stupid and would rather not think about the consequences of making that tick on the ballot
01:43 < morfoh> jsaw: why are you sad regarding the topic ? because we don't share your thougts ? or what ?
01:48 < jsaw> ?
01:53 < jsaw> morfoh: do you feel attacked by the way I acted? If so that was not my intention.
01:54 < morfoh> jsaw: don't worry ... :)
01:54 < jsaw> ok.
01:54 < morfoh> jsaw: common ... that was a discussion ... hope the same for you ;)
01:55 < jsaw> I just didn't get that sentence.
01:55 < jsaw> eh question
01:55 < morfoh> jsaw: this is #t2 ;)
01:55 < jsaw> but lemma prepare my asbestos suit
01:56 < morfoh> jsaw: you can't get answers for all your questions ;)
01:57 < morfoh> jsaw: I can imagine that it is even harder to accept while being Dr.J. ;)
01:58 < morfoh> anyhow ... I appreciated the discussion. so don't feel bad or sad or whatever ... :)
01:59 < jsaw> look, that I didn't get the answer for "why not Iran" is very typical
01:59 < jsaw> most ppl don't like to answer this
01:59 < jsaw> but instead talk about... this and that country 
02:00 < morfoh> jsaw: for you it is an question ... but for me it doesn't matter what country 
02:00 < morfoh> why are making differences ?
02:00 < jsaw> that's pretty ignorant.
02:00 < morfoh> I could say the same about you
02:01 < jsaw> the difference is, that this is the next country that may develop it. We're far beyond the point where it makes sense to talk about the other countries.
02:01 < jsaw> What's the next step?
02:02 < jsaw> It's easy to lament about the past
02:02 < morfoh> jsaw: if they'll not be forced by other countries they will not develop it
02:03 < jsaw> oh come on. Leaders are all the same in every country.
02:03 < jsaw> If they wouldn't we wouldn't have any leaders
02:03 < jsaw> the addiciton to power is what brings (most) of 'em at this level
02:05 < jsaw> and by the way, we do the same.
02:06 < morfoh> jsaw: of course this is some kind on immanent behavior
02:06 < morfoh> s/on/of/
02:07 < morfoh> jsaw: so let's search the reason for it in our next discussion ;)
02:07 < jsaw> the reason is answered in two words: homo sapiens
02:08 < jsaw> the question how to deal with it is much more interesting
02:08 < morfoh> jsaw: I don't agree fully ... there are more components I think
02:08 < jsaw> which?
02:08 < jsaw> wait
02:08 < jsaw> first I'd like to know somethign  ;)
02:09 < jsaw> morfoh: do you think that humans are basically good or rather evil in the deepest part of their heart?
02:11 < morfoh> haha ... I'd say shortly, in the deepest part most are good but we don't have to forget the environment ...
02:12 < morfoh> the environment really matters I think
02:13 < jsaw> ah, the first real dissent between us.
02:13 < morfoh> the first ? :)
02:13 < jsaw> yep.
02:13 < morfoh> don't you share that view ?
02:13 < jsaw> no.
02:14 < morfoh> but perhaps the environment you came from makes you believe like that
02:14 < jsaw> of course.
02:14 < mnemoc> rehi
02:14 < mnemoc> what did i miss?
02:15 < morfoh> wb mnemoc 
02:15 < morfoh> :)
02:15 < morfoh> a lot :D
02:15 < mnemoc> :)
02:15 < jsaw> morfoh: my granparents saved jews under the nazi regime, my mum is very socially active, 
02:15 < jsaw> morfoh: environment?
02:16 < mnemoc> hi morfoh, jsaw 
02:16 < jsaw> hi mnemoc  :)
02:16 < jsaw> morfoh: I think the fact that I don't like the name "azazel" tells you that I have a strong christian background...
02:17 < jsaw> so, that's the environment...
02:17 < morfoh> jsaw: I knew that before because of your words
02:19 < mnemoc> jsaw: the name 'azazel' is frequently missunderstood
02:19 < mnemoc> jsaw: azazel is not _the_ devil, it's one of the fallen angel
02:19 < jsaw> I know.
02:20 < jsaw> mnemoc: A fallen angle still took his own decision to do so
02:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: OT: you missed that mnemosyne@2.2 and mnemosyne@live is booting here 
02:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: what was the problem?
02:21 < jsaw> morfoh: so, what are the components you mentioned?
02:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: it was my local tree. but I don't know the exact reason now. I copied the build dir and the config over to a new tree I checked out .. et voila ... pdksh was linked statically 
02:22 < morfoh> I couldn't detect changes I did which could force the problem
02:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: but at least it also is booting with jsaw's recent kernel update on trunk
02:24 < morfoh> that we know now :p
02:25 < jsaw> morfoh: possibly some parse-config survived somewhere that lead to a dynamic pdksh
02:25 < morfoh> hey folks ... don't query! don't let a poor non "christian" die without sharing your knowledge :)
02:26 < jsaw> ?
02:26 < morfoh> jsaw: I was just suspecting you ;)
02:26 < morfoh> and mnemoc of course ... :)
02:26 < jsaw> you're a conspiracy theorist :)
02:26 < morfoh> jsaw: nope
02:27 < morfoh> :)
02:27 < mnemoc> ??
02:27 < jsaw> mnemoc: you missed about 1000 lines of discussion...
02:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: you can read the huge log :)
02:28 < morfoh> in fact we should compare the size to other available logs :)
02:29 < morfoh> jsaw: still no /dev/tty on mnemosyne@live
02:29 < mnemoc> i prefer to ask you for a summary
02:29 < jsaw> did you added mknod?
02:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: that will be hard men
02:29 < morfoh> jsaw: yep
02:29 < mnemoc> is /dev/tty only missing at mnemosyne?
02:29 < jsaw> morfoh: did you add it at both  places?
02:29 < morfoh> both ?
02:30 < morfoh> just in package/base/mkinitrd
02:30 < jsaw> see a few lines below
02:30 < jsaw> initrdinit
02:30 < jsaw> line 27, and 89
02:31 < morfoh> jsaw: you're talking about package/base/mkinitrd/initrdinit.sh ?
02:32 < jsaw> yeah, but you can test it locally first
02:32 < jsaw> /sbin/initrdinit
02:33 < morfoh> jsaw: I just added the mknod statement you provided below the others
02:33 < morfoh> or did I missed sth. 
02:37 < jsaw> so on both blocks. hmm
02:38 < jsaw> the second one with /rootfs prefix?
02:39 < morfoh> jsaw: I guess that is the second block you mentioned 
02:39 < morfoh>                                 mknod /rootfs/dev/null c 1 3
02:39 < morfoh>                                 mknod /rootfs/dev/zero c 1 5
02:39 < morfoh> +                               mknod /rootfs/dev/tty c 5 0
02:42 < jsaw> yep
02:42 < jsaw> I have no idea then.
02:43 < morfoh> yeah ... but I just added this one so far
02:43 < jsaw> at what point do you get the tty related complaint?
02:43 < jsaw> morfoh: oh
02:44 < morfoh> Searching for CD with live file-system ... 
02:44 < jsaw> morfoh: can you also add it in the first block?
02:44 < jsaw> right after ln -s /proc/self/fd /dev/fd
02:44 < morfoh> already done
02:44 < jsaw> so, when do you get the tty complaint?
02:46 < morfoh> jsaw: one moment please ... will run another try after adding it to the first block
02:54 < jsaw> I can hear my bed calling, hurry up morfoh 
02:54 < morfoh> jsaw: doesn't change anything ... at least on qemu
02:54 < morfoh> Searching for CD with live file-system ...
02:55 < morfoh> No LIve CD found ...... blah
02:55 < jsaw> oh, so not a tty problem
02:56 < morfoh>  /bin/sh: No controlling tty (open /dev/tty: No such device or address)
02:56 < jsaw> ah, ic
02:56 < jsaw> morfoh: edit target/livecd/init:
02:56 < morfoh> yep
02:56 < jsaw> 1. add the mknod .. block
02:57 < jsaw> 2. add the device detection from target/install/init
02:57 < morfoh> damn redundancy ... can't we get rid of it ?
02:58 < jsaw> not really
02:58 < jsaw> livecd behaves a bit different
02:59 < jsaw> for 2., see function "getdevice" in target/install/init
03:00 < jsaw> ok, gotta sleep, cu all
03:00 < morfoh> good night jsaw ... sleep well :)
03:00 < mnemoc> gn8 jsaw 
03:01 < jsaw> sleep well, too (later :)
03:02 < morfoh> jsaw: thx ;)
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06:05 < rxr> re
06:27 < madtux> hey ren
06:28  * madtux off to bed cya later.
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07:44 < rxr> huh
07:44 < rxr> I edit compile since hour++
07:45 < rxr> now first compile button hit revieled "PCH invalid blubber" and 2nd compile succeeded ...
07:45 < rxr> damn apple pached gcc and Xcode junk ...
08:25 < rxr> damn
08:25 < rxr> one hackery follows theother just to close _one trouble ticket_ in the mac driver ...
08:26 < rxr> Mc Coy Tyner - Song Of the New World (Tokyo 1978) sounds quite nice ,-)
08:26 < rxr> (even on the built-in speaker of the G5 ... ,-)
08:29 < rxr> cc1objplus: one or more PCH files were found, but they were invalid
08:30 < rxr> aaaaaaaaaaaargh
08:30 < rxr> guess it is the hidden notification that the "Build" butten will need a double click in the future version - sigh
08:38 < rxr> ok
08:39 < rxr> valentin: I solved the known cancel buttin in ExactScan corrupts the state of our driver issue
08:39 < rxr> commit going ...
08:39 < rxr> though  bit massive including core changes
08:40 < rxr> svn diff core
08:40 < rxr> subversion/libsvn_client/revisions.c:87: (apr_err=200005)
08:40 < rxr> svn: 'core' is not under version control
08:40 < rxr> sure the h*ll it is
08:40 < rxr> cd core
08:40 < rxr> svn diff
08:40 < rxr> works
08:41 < rxr> f*ck OS
08:47 < rxr> David  Venoit - Lost in Tokyo is also nice ,-)
08:47  * rxr should rip the IP of the station from iTunes and listen to that Jazz station more often from Linux ... ,-)
08:54 < rxr> valentin: next is to actually allow canceling ongoing scanns ...
08:55 < rxr> and pretty print the currently scanned page - so multi page scans are not that boring
08:55 < rxr> but I'll schedule that on my todo
09:08 < rxr> re
09:11 < rxr> .oO
09:11 < rxr> f*ck - damned
09:11 < rxr> I got a negative CeBIT reply ...
09:12 < LMJ> moin moin
09:35 < rxr> moin LMJ 
09:35 < LMJ> how are you rxr ?
09:43 < rxr> ouh - negative CeBIT mail in my inbox - not too good
09:43 < rxr> but aside from that ...
09:44 < rxr> but there is a bit hope - I called them and told them that we already booked flights for a contrubutor out of Chile and if there really is nothing to do ...
09:44 < rxr> she said she moves us to the top of the "if something happens" are the next list ...
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09:59 < Baldzius> moin
10:16 < rxr> moin Baldzius 
10:16 < Baldzius> hi rxr
10:20 < rxr> jsaw: did you do libgcj stuff last night ?
10:20  * rxr quick shower and then back to hacking
10:22 < jsaw> moin
10:23 < jsaw> rxr: yes, there error is in the libso-extended-check patch
10:23 < jsaw> rxr: a dlibsnew reset is missing
10:24 < jsaw> the >dlibsnew=""< must come after the for la"
10:24 < jsaw> after ther "for la" loop
10:37 < rxr> ah - read this - just did not got that it is for this problem
10:37 < rxr> what do I need to rebuild? gcc ?
10:40 < rxr> jsaw it must look like this:
10:40 < rxr>                 done                    
10:40 < rxr>                 dlibsnew=                       
10:40 < rxr>         fi
10:40 < rxr> }                         
10:40 < rxr> ?
10:44 < jsaw> no, one done earlier
10:44 < valentin> re
10:44 < valentin> hi rxr
10:44 < valentin> think i found a problem
10:45 < jsaw> rxr: eh, I mean, before the done you pasted
10:45 < jsaw> rxr: after the sed
10:46 < rxr>                         done
10:46 < rxr>                         sed -i "s,^dependency_libs=.*,dependency_libs='$dlibsnew'," $root/$la
10:46 < rxr>                         dlibsnew=
10:46 < rxr>                 done
10:46 < rxr>         fi
10:46 < rxr> ?
10:46 < jsaw> yes
10:47 < jsaw> (otherwise contents for dlibsnew will be carried on into the next $la file...
10:47 < jsaw> (
10:47 < jsaw> eh
10:47 < jsaw> )
10:47 < rxr> ok - so now I rebuild gcc and the failing packages, right ?
10:48 < jsaw> yep
10:50 < rxr> ok
10:50 < rxr> so I'll commit all this now, excluding your libtool and autoconf proposal which you can commit yourself then ,-)
10:50 < rxr> I'll only commit the stuff needed to make t2 build on lib64 a bit more + my changes
10:50 < rxr> e.g. moving the libtool quirkery into the libtool/parse-config
10:52 < jsaw> k
11:01 < rxr> the ammount of red fixup messages on ppc64 is a bit scary ...
11:09 < rxr> jsaw: regarding udev rules, we should add a simple cat rule for ide cdroms for the installer stage1, right ?
11:10 < rxr> and leave the /sbin helpers (that I think should be more in /lib/udev/) for the later in-system use only ... ?
11:10 < rxr> or really place the helpers in /lib/udev and move them onto the initrd ...
11:10 < rxr> when they are all grouped this is a one-liner
11:12 < CIA-9> rene * r15352 /trunk/architecture/x86/boot/boot.in: 
11:12 < CIA-9> * also add the stage1 and normal stage2 onto the x86* bootable ISOs,
11:12 < CIA-9>  so they can be converted to bootable USB sticks without a fuzz
11:13 < jsaw> have to go, bbl
11:13 < rxr> cu jsaw 
11:13 < CIA-9> rene * r15353 /trunk/misc/archive/iso2stick.sh: 
11:13 < CIA-9> * removed temporary cp ... stage1 ... from the iso2stick.sh now that it
11:13 < CIA-9>  is on each new .iso
11:16 < CIA-9> rene * r15354 /trunk/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
11:16 < CIA-9> Juergen "George" Sawinski and Rene Rebe:
11:16 < CIA-9>  * added yet more automatic libtool fixups that repair the package
11:16 < CIA-9>  include ltmain.sh and libtool and overwrite them finally if the
11:16 < CIA-9>  configure generated libtool script is broken beyond believe
11:18 < CIA-9> rene * r15355 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: 
11:18 < CIA-9> Juergen "George" Sawinski:
11:18 < CIA-9>  * extended the .la fixup to make absolutely sure, the /lib/ path part
11:18 < CIA-9>  does not leak into the dependency_libs in .la files on systems with
11:18 < CIA-9>  /lib${libsuff}/ path part
11:19 < CIA-9> rene * r15356 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf: 
11:19 < CIA-9> Juergen "George" Sawinski:
11:19 < CIA-9>  * let gcc change into the objdir later, so the libtool quirk finds the files
11:19 < rxr> jsaw: maybe we do not even need the libtool-junk-regen patch for gcc then anymore ?
11:20 < CIA-9> rene * r15357 /trunk/package/base/pcre/pcre.desc: * marked pcre to need a forced replacement of the included libtool
11:21 < CIA-9> rene * r15358 /trunk/package/base/recode/recode.desc: 
11:21 < CIA-9> Juergen "George" Sawinski:
11:21 < CIA-9>  * marked recode NO-LIBTOOL-FIX, it is even too old for the fixup to be
11:21 < CIA-9>  useful, thankfully it builds fine without any tweaks ,-)
11:22 < CIA-9> rene * r15359 /trunk/package/develop/libsigc++1/libsigc++1.desc: * marked libsigc++1 AUTOMAKE-QUIRK, it does not include powerpc64
11:24 < CIA-9> rene * r15360 /trunk/package/graphic/jhead/jhead.desc: * updated jhead (2.4 -> 2.5)
11:28 < CIA-9> rene * r15361 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-tools/alsa-tools.desc: * marked alsa-tools AUTOMAKE-QUIRK, it does not know about powerpc64
11:28 < rxr> so - I think so far goes my working copy flushing ...
11:28 < rxr> the rest is either experimetally or not really tested at all ,-)
11:29 < rxr> wah! 12:30 already. ... time flighs by - my :-(
11:30 < rxr> back to os X to do some more driver polishing ...
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11:45 < CIA-9> jsaw * r15362 /trunk/package/develop/boehm-gc/boehm-gc.desc: * LIBTOOL-QUIRK not necessary anymore
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11:46 < CIA-9> jsaw * r15363 /trunk/package/base/recode/recode-3.6.patch: * copyright header update
11:49 < CIA-9> jsaw * r15364 /trunk/package/develop/mono/phtread-needed.patch: * patch not needed
11:51 < CIA-9> jsaw * r15365 /trunk/package/dictionary/aspell/aspell.desc: * also LIBTOOL-QUIRK not necessary (anymore)
12:04 < rxr> jsaw: if you want to look if the libtook update patch for gcc is also unneeded (anymore ;-)
12:30 < jsaw> rxr: really?
12:32 < rxr> maybe not
12:32 < rxr> I have not tested and the humble dual-core is in the suXing OS again ...
12:33 < jsaw> a test yesterday was not convincing
12:35 < owl> moin
12:35 < LMJ> lol rxr
12:38 < rxr> jsaw: oh
12:38 < jsaw> rxr: ./scripts/Build-Pkg, line 157 following
12:38 < jsaw> rxr: still correct?
12:38 < rxr> jsaw: hm
12:38 < jsaw> rxr: with udev we have /dev/loop{,[0-3]}
12:39 < rxr> well the tools should work with both
12:39 < rxr> it is for the sandbox only anywaz
12:40 < rxr> maybe we should go back and save a few root nodes by grouping them into loop/ in the udev rules as well?
12:40 < jsaw> yep
12:40 < rxr> after all we want to have the /dev/ root to be as uncrowded as possible ...
12:41 < LMJ> wow
12:41 < LMJ> you checked the Riku Nurkka email ?
12:41 < rxr> oehm ?
12:42 < LMJ> to t2@t2-project.org
12:42 < LMJ> Subject: [t2] T2 security? GPG signatures?
12:42 < jsaw> back to work, cu later
12:42 < LMJ> see you jsaw 
12:43 < rxr> LMJ: did it appear a few minutes ago? after I booted into OS suX ?
12:43 < LMJ> 13h34
12:43 < LMJ> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 14:34:24 +0200
12:43 < rxr> ah cool
12:43 < rxr> what mail address has he ?
12:44 < LMJ> From: Riku Nurkka <riku.nurkka@iki.fi>
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12:54 < morfoh> moin
12:55 < rxr> moin morfoh 
12:55 < morfoh> moin rxr
12:56 < rxr> LMJ: nice ,-)
12:56 < LMJ> hehe
12:56 < LMJ> moin morfoh 
12:56 < morfoh> moin LMJ 
12:57 < morfoh> /usr/X11R7/include/X11/Xmd.h:132: error: conflicting declaration 'typedef long i
12:57 < morfoh> nt INT32'
12:57 < morfoh> ../include/qglobal.h:689: error: 'INT32' has a previous declaration as 'typedef
12:57 < morfoh> int INT32'
12:57 < morfoh> make[2]: *** [.obj/release-shared-mt/qtaddons_x11.o] Error 1
12:57 < morfoh> ^QT
12:57 < morfoh> trunk HEAD
12:57 < rxr> morfoh: you built why my long64.patch in xproto or so I guess
12:57 < rxr> svn up package/xorg
12:57 < morfoh> let's see
12:58 < morfoh> nope ... no update 
12:58 < morfoh> svn up package/xorg/
12:58 < morfoh> At revision 15365.
13:00 < rxr> hm then I don't now
13:01 < rxr> maybe you build half with the patch and an svn up in the middle removed the patch ?
13:01 < rxr> since in HEAD this "defect test patch" is gone ...
13:01 < morfoh> that is most probably the case
13:03 < rxr> let me think
13:03 < rxr> I think the patch was in xproto
13:03 < rxr> (or wasn't it ...)
13:03 < morfoh> yep
13:03 < rxr> rebuilding that could help
13:03 < morfoh> already rescheduled ;)
13:04 < rxr> you are fast ,-)
13:04 < morfoh> sometimes ;)
13:05 < morfoh> T2 is helping me :)
13:07 < rxr> hm
13:08 < rxr> we call [infoWindowTitle setStringValue: ...];
13:08 < rxr> and [infoWindowText setStringValue:@""];
13:08 < rxr> and the damn sheet is not updated some times ...
13:08 < rxr> damn GUI crap of OS X ...
13:08 < rxr> and yes, this is ObjC, not C, not C++, something lovely else ...
13:25 < rxr> ok some manual [...: display]; helped
13:25 < rxr> what a fun
13:31 < rxr> valentin: when you boot osx again "svn up" quite some pieces changed
13:32 < rxr> after lunch I'll try to hunt two usability bugs in ExactScan and than I stop commercial binary only driver work for today ...
13:32 < rxr> hm - maybe I test if all the changes work on the flunky AV610 - but thats it ...
13:32 < rxr> cu - /me lunch
13:33 < morfoh> rxr: qt builds now
13:44 < karasz> moin all
13:45 < valentin> rxr: there is some tricky stuff with the sane return codes, i'll tell you later
13:45 < karasz> hello rxr, jsaw, Baldzius, sepp, valentin, owl,LMJ
13:45 < karasz> kommrad :)
13:45 < LMJ> hello karasz 
13:53 < morfoh> http://www.wvgazette.com/section/News/2006020623 <-- a poor soldier had to pay nearly $700 for his damaged body armor, which saved his live during a bomb attack ... those corporate fascists are "funny", they even suck out the people who are fighting their illegal war
13:53 < morfoh> moin karasz :)
14:06 < karasz> morfoh: current standing: qmail-send, qmail-smtp, qmail-pop3d, spamassasin, clamav setup and runin
14:06 < morfoh> karasz: nice :)
14:06 < karasz> all I have to do is to integrate spamassasin and clamav in the qmail stuff
14:07 < rxr> re
14:07 < morfoh> wb rxr 
14:08 < rxr> hi karasz 
14:08 < rxr> hi valentin 
14:08 < rxr> valentin: what is up with the sane return values? remeber we use an additional one to encode light warming up ...
14:08 < rxr> valentin: (just in case you stumbled over a unkown return code printout from sane_strerr or so ...)
14:13  * morfoh has to reboot
14:13 < morfoh> bbl
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14:19 < valentin> rxr: none of the above
14:35 < rxr> valentin: in ExactScan there are some NSLogs that log a NSString that are done as two function calls ...
14:35 < rxr> NSLog (@"blubber:");
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14:35 < rxr> NSLog (foo);
14:35 < karasz> hi minto
14:35 < rxr> the encoding for ObjC strings formating is %@ ....
14:35 < misl> hi  folks
14:36 < rxr> but maybe even I have wrote those ...
14:36 < rxr> hi misl 
14:40 < rxr> heh
14:41 < rxr> nice ObjC Apple GCC bug, I did a tiny change on the file and now it is copmiling since minutes and reached 338834 errors in the file
14:41 < rxr> Xcode does not really react anymore due to parsing those errors ...
14:41 < rxr> my oh my ...
14:42 < rxr> at least I can killall a lot of as's and cc*s away ...
14:42 < rxr> now at 609924 and still parsing - damn crap here all around 
14:42  * rxr want's his linux back ...
14:43  * rxr wonders if I should better killall xcode than wait till it reacts again ...
14:43 < rxr> sa - "forced quit"
14:45 < rxr> hehe
14:45 < rxr> it was one forgotten curly ... }
14:45 < rxr> damn parser Apple hacked for their ObjC ...
14:50 < mnemoc> moin!
14:50 < rxr> moin mnemoc !
14:50 < mnemoc> hi rxr 
14:54 < rxr> mnemoc: if you read enough scrollback you will find out I got a negative feedback for the CeBIT this year :-((
14:54 < rxr> there is a 50/50 chance that we might still get a place - but well, we have not yet
14:54 < rxr> so far I only see kde, gnome and debian conirmed for the OpebBooth - that is oppost to last years 20 projects or so a lot less than before ...
14:54 < mnemoc> :o
14:55 < rxr> but susan and I will be on the embedded systems world something in nuernberg on the 15th
14:55 < rxr> and if we do not get a both on the cebit we will of course be at least one day there
14:55 < rxr> but I still pray we magically make it their ...
14:56 < valentin> rxr: what negative fallback ?
14:56 < mnemoc> feedback
14:56 < karasz> moin mnemoc 
14:56 < valentin> feedback :()
14:56 < rxr> valentin: that we did not got a booth assignment so far
14:56 < valentin> hi mnemoc karasz 
14:56 < valentin> rxr: damn
14:56 < mnemoc> hi karasz, valentin 
14:56 < rxr> valentin: you name it
14:56 < mnemoc> ack, damn damn damn
14:57 < rxr> valentin: she said they also did not selected even the FFII ...
14:57 < rxr> so far I only see kde, gnome and debian on the public available list
14:57 < mnemoc> just 3?
14:57 < rxr> http://www.linux-events.de/LinuxPark_2006/OpenBooth
14:57 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, as I wrote ago:
14:58 < rxr> 14:54 < rxr> so far I only see kde, gnome and debian conirmed for the OpebBooth 
14:58 < rxr>              - that is oppost to last years 20 projects or so a lot less than 
14:58 < rxr>              before ...
14:59 < rxr> compare with:
14:59 < rxr> http://www.linux-events.de/LinuxPark_2005/OpenBooth/openbooth.html
14:59 < rxr> and IIRC there where more than that
15:00 < mnemoc> you mention RSBAC last year
15:00 < rxr> yep, for example
15:00 < rxr> also the FFII is not on that page I think
15:02 < rxr> but we are the next on the list to pick next, she said (after I told here we already booked a plane ticket for one from Chile ...)
15:04 < mnemoc> :D
15:04 < mnemoc> i hope they value the effort
15:04  * rxr too
15:05 < rxr> if I would not need some of my financial backing for other business this year, we could even buy the booth space ...
15:05 < rxr> but, well, I need it elsewhere ...
15:06 < rxr> valentin: there is now a new ExactScan version available
15:16 < rxr> ouh
15:16 < rxr> driver crashed ...
15:23 < valentin> thanks rxr
15:24 < rxr> you should add for the backtrace in the query - so people do not think for crashing the driver ,-)(
15:25 < valentin> ;)
15:26 < rxr> heh - ok - basic opertions with the av610 are still ok
15:26 < rxr> puh
15:33 < rxr> ok - one use case that stalled the 610 before does still exist
15:33 < rxr> I think I work around that in the i/o core - but long there we should reopen the USB connection each time the driver is opened - that should cure it more reliable
15:33 < rxr> but I modified the driver once - and it took me over two hours or so to do so
15:33 < rxr> and it open another issue ...
15:34 < rxr> though it would also fix scanning after sleeping the box ...
15:34 < rxr> but well, I quirk it now and leave it for the next "motivated for OSX driver development day" to rewrite the open/close code pathes ...
15:35 < karasz> re
15:35 < karasz> mnemoc: around?
15:37  * mnemoc looks 
15:37 < karasz> :)
15:37 < karasz> can I send you a mail?
15:38 < mnemoc> sure
15:39 < karasz> querry the address please
15:39 < rxr> mnemoc: that must not read sure but, "that depends on your abilities to utilize your mail client" ,-)
15:39 < mnemoc> heheh
15:40 < karasz> mnemoc: before you get a heartattack
15:40 < Baldzius> misc/output/parse-config: eval: line 34: syntax error near unexpected token `('
15:40 < Baldzius> misc/output/parse-config: eval: line 34: `echo_errorquote_terminal $'===[echo_sched:58 (last $?=0)> tag=\'Overwrote libtool - configure broken beyond believe.\'\n===[echo_sched:59 (last $?=0)> tag=\'Overwrote libtool - configure broken beyond believe.\'\n===[echo_sched:60 (last $?=0)> request=\'error $\'\\'\'Overwrote libtool - configure broken beyond believe.\'\\'\'\'\n===[echo_sched:63 (last $?=0)> echo \'error $\'\\'\'Overwrote libtool - configure broke
15:40 < Baldzius> n beyond believe.\'\\'\'\'\n===[libtool_final_check:83 (last $?=0)> cp /mnt/reference/trunk/build/reference-2.2.0-alpha-x86-athlon-reference/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/usr/bin/libtool .\ncp: cannot stat `/mnt/reference/trunk/build/reference-2.2.0-alpha-x86-athlon-reference/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/usr/bin/libtool\': No such file or directory\nDue to previous errors, no 0-file.log file!\n(Try enabling xtrace in the config to track an error inside the build system.)
15:40 < karasz> consider that runit is still very new to me
15:40 < Baldzius> ''
15:41 < Baldzius> -> $root/var/adm/logs/0-file.out -> 0-file.err
15:41 < Baldzius> == 02/08/06 15:05:52 =[0]=> Aborted building package file.
15:41 < Baldzius> sorry if it's too big :)
15:42 < karasz> rxr, I will rephrase
15:42 < karasz> may I send you a mail?
15:42 < mnemoc> :)
15:42 < karasz> ^^ that's better ?:D
15:42 < rxr> karasz: yeah - I was just needing a joke ...
15:42  * karasz looks around...for a joke
15:43 < mnemoc> karasz: that 'smpt' protocol is new to me
15:43 < rxr> karasz: yeah - now all is fine - we had one ,-)
15:43 < karasz> still want one?
15:43 < rxr> nah - I do not want to disturb your work further
15:43 < mnemoc> karasz: +RELAYCLIENT= at 0 is _evil_
15:44 < karasz> 15:45:50 karasz mnemoc: before you get a heartattack <- do not forget ;)
15:44 < mnemoc> karasz: and pop3/0 is not for tcpsvd
15:44 < karasz> O_o
15:44 < karasz> lemme check again
15:45 < mnemoc> karasz: i didn't know you wanted to be an open relay, sorry
15:45 < mnemoc> karasz: you used cdb syntax
15:46 < karasz> right
15:46 < karasz> forget to translate that...
15:47 < karasz> about the relay
15:47 < karasz> ofcourse i do not want to be an open relay
15:47 < karasz> i guess i need to investigate further
15:47 < mnemoc> karasz: NOSPP and RBLSMTPD go on env/  not inside the per-peer file
15:47 < karasz> ahum, ok
15:48  * karasz is taking notices....
15:48 < karasz> err... I gues notes is the proper word ...
15:49 < mnemoc> yep
15:49 < karasz> that whole translation stuff is due to the fact tha i only found docu for tcpserver
15:50 < karasz> tcpsvd is scarely visible on google
15:52 < rxr> hm - workaround in the i/o is also not that practical :-((
15:52 < rxr> I really should fix the mac part instead :-(((
15:52  * rxr does not like he conequences ...
15:56 < karasz> hmm, I guess smpt/0 is useless
15:59 < mnemoc> karasz: tcpsvd has a man
16:00 < mnemoc> karasz: smtp/0 has to define QMAILQUEUE and _never_ RELAYCLIENT
16:14 < misl> mnemoc: after merging all libtool stuff I still have sort of the same failures
16:14 < misl> even a new one apr-util
16:15 < misl> log says:
16:15 < misl>   setting APRUTIL_INCLUDES to "-I//opt/openldap/include"
16:15 < misl>   setting APRUTIL_LDFLAGS to "-L//opt/openldap/lib64"
16:15 < misl> checking for ldap_init in -lldap50... no
16:15 < misl> checking for ldap_init in -lldapssl41... no
16:15 < misl> checking for ldap_init in -lldapssl40... no
16:15 < misl> checking for ldap_init in -lldapssl30... no
16:15 < misl> checking for ldap_init in -lldapssl20... no
16:15 < misl> checking for ldap_init in -lldap... no
16:15 < misl> checking for ldap_init in -lldap... no
16:15 < misl> checking for ldap_init in -lldap... no
16:15 < misl> checking for ldap_init in -lldap... no
16:15 < misl> configure: error: could not find an LDAP library
16:15 < misl> openldap was succesfully build.
16:16 < mnemoc> :\
16:20 < misl> mnemoc: I have not yet included the latest libtool patches from today
16:21  * mnemoc hate libtool
16:21 < Baldzius> those latest patches breaks =[0]=>file for me :)
16:22 < mnemoc> oh
16:22 < mnemoc> did you tell jsaw ?
16:22 < Baldzius> not yet
16:22 < Baldzius> he's not here
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16:44  * rxr does not like he conequences ...
16:44 < rxr> oops
16:52  * karasz off for a while
16:56 < rxr> so!
16:57 < rxr> heck - damned AV610 is happy with the i/o performed on the beast, now
16:57 < rxr> next driver release ...
16:57 < rxr> I hope those damned Mac users are happy when they get 3 driver updates a day and stop bugging me ...
16:57 < rxr> .o(if this would actually generate any money work to speak about ...)
16:58 < rxr> valentin: with the new driver it is possible to first use the scanner in one app - and then in another ...
16:59 < valentin> rxr: .oO how ?
17:02 < rxr> valentin: the Mac UI does now sane_close sane_open when it is closed
17:03 < rxr> formerly the connection would stay alive for the whole application lifetime
17:03 < rxr> I need the open/close to ping the doomed devices such as the AV610 alive ...
17:03 < rxr> the use with multiple applications is a nice side-effect
17:03 < rxr> also it helps for supspend / resume - formerly you would have to restart your application
17:03 < rxr> however this is not yet totally safe since we miss a device tree rescan
17:04 < rxr> but I'll do that some time later (requires low-level usb code rework)
17:04 < rxr> I did enough on the driver the last two days - the suspend / resume cycle will be fixed when a customer actually notices ...
17:04 < rxr> I doubt that will be soon ,-)
17:07 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
17:07 < rxr> hah
17:07 < rxr> I wonder why the scans take so much time ...
17:07 < rxr> lol - the dpi / range I selected is 45.5MB of data ... ,-)
17:08 < valentin> rxr: i wonder what sideeffects there will be for the ui
17:08 < rxr> _Ragnar_: after all that are mac users ...
17:08 < rxr> valentin: the state is preserved, it should and does work
17:08 < rxr> I did this:
17:08 < rxr> open exactscan
17:08 < rxr> open adobe photoshop
17:08 < rxr> scan in photoshop
17:08 < rxr> close
17:08 < rxr> scan in exctscan
17:08 < rxr> close
17:08 < rxr> and photoshop again
17:08 < rxr> this all works
17:09 < rxr> formerly for this heck of a AV610 just closing and opening exactscan would result in internal i/o error due to the damned scanner locking up ...
17:09 < rxr> I now hacked the i/o core to ping those f*ck up devices up with INQUIRY packages ...
17:09 < rxr> they have a tendency to come alive with those ...
17:09 < rxr> don't ask me - the scanner ASIC is made in Taiwan ...
17:09 < valentin> rxr: i do not know it the preferences stuff is multi-application save...
17:10 < valentin> if apples preferences stuff even
17:10 < rxr> valentin: hm - indeed - the last terminating application might write down it's state
17:10 < rxr> but I do not care - if Apple throws this broken app-default stuff on us - users have to live with what the OS providecs ...
17:10 < rxr> after all they could get a ExactDesktop for discout prices ...
17:10 < valentin> rxr: i do not know exactly when CFPreferences loads/stores the state
17:10 < rxr> valentin: /me neither
17:11 < rxr> valentin: but as we found out mostly cached and then on close ...
17:11 < rxr> thus I estimated last closing app will flush it's state ...b
17:11 < valentin> ...which makes sence indeed
17:11 < rxr> but as I wrote - I do not care about what is broken in OS suX by design ...
17:11 < valentin> i'll look at the documentation if one can force flushing/rereading of the file
17:11  * rxr pray those people order 20 of the expensive 3850s ... ,-)
17:12 < rxr> valentin: yeah - or just fix your crashes ..
17:12 < rxr> this app-defaults are minor - if not a non-existing issue ...
17:12 < rxr> let's hunt what users report and we know crashes ...
17:12 < rxr> no what "theoretically could result in imperfect /last used/ preference data" ...
17:13 < rxr> oh
17:13 < rxr> valentin: after open you do not appear to update the MB indicator ...!
17:13 < rxr> that is why it displayed 45MB
17:13 < rxr> valentin: try open/close/open and what the Size: 45...MB ... ,-)
17:14 < rxr> I think the artificial value is from the .nib ,-)
17:14 < rxr> hm - no
17:14 < rxr> it si not open/close/open -  but sometimes ythe value is incorrect :-(
17:15 < valentin> ...
17:15 < valentin> just tell me how it happens and i'll take a look
17:15 < valentin> s/how/when
17:15 < rxr> cool - this new ope/close code path with the i/o core tweak really makes the av610 behave rock solid ...
17:15 < rxr> hiding very well that it is INQUIRY pinged alive in between ,-)
17:16  * rxr moving the satan device back into the shelf ...
17:18 < mnemoc> morfoh!
17:19 < rxr> ?
17:20 < mnemoc> i want to know if he changed his target/install/build_stage2.sh to make mnemosyne@2.2 install
17:21 < rxr> so - no regressions with the AV220 so far
17:21  * rxr closing the office soon ...
17:22 < mnemoc> rxr: did en_ES+de_DE ooo built for susan?
17:23 < rxr> mnemoc: nope because the syntax I tried did not worked out
17:23 < mnemoc> :(
17:23 < rxr> since I did wanted to go to bed that night I reverted it to just en
17:23 < rxr> the en built ...
17:23 < rxr> the former failed due my syntax quoting
17:23 < rxr> but I did it slightly different than you
17:23 < rxr> did you try a bi-lang build  ?
17:23 < mnemoc> not yet
17:24 < rxr> valentin: hm - the current driver does not force adf scans into this b0rked Photoshop anymore
17:24 < rxr> I place this into my mental TODO queue
17:24 < mnemoc> me too
17:24  * rxr really wonders when our grave hack for this application bug broke ...
17:24 < rxr> damned commercial application landscape
17:25 < rxr> the driver has so many quirks for this broken applications fluff none is willing to fix - it is to become insane ...
17:25  * rxr hopes noone wants to ADF scan into Photoshop the next days ...
17:25 < rxr> at least no crash or scanner freeze the last half a hour of final testing ...
17:29 < rxr> so - /me preparing to leave - and booting the dual-core back to the sane-world to continue the ppc64 build ...
17:30 < mnemoc> rxr: does gcc-3.4.5 build on your gcc4/ppc?
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18:13 < valentin> driving home, cu
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18:49 < mnemoc> yuck
18:49 < mnemoc> [14:33:16] <mnemoc> rxr: does gcc-3.4.5 build on your gcc4/ppc?
18:58 < rxr_> re
18:58 < rxr_> mnemoc: not test yet
18:59 -!- You're now known as rxr
19:01 < rxr> f*ck
19:01 < rxr> turned my athlon on to grab some files and now it has no ssh running
19:01 < rxr> what a crap
19:02 < rxr> anyone accidently has a remote exploit at hand for recent t2 flavours ?
19:11 < mnemoc> outch
19:11 < rxr> uni, mac osx crashed on login
19:11 < rxr> :
19:11 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/osx-login-crash.jpg
19:11 < rxr> deep kernel crash
19:12 < rxr> satuarday, subway - windows had a problem with the date / time and did not run the usual animations and such:
19:12 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/subway-win-error.jpg
19:13  * rxr dinner - cu
19:13 < mnemoc> cu rxr 
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19:44 < karasz> re
19:47 < CIA-9> amery * r15366 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfmedia/dbus-0.6.patch: * fixed xfmedia to build against dbus>=0.6
19:48 < mnemoc> wb karasz 
19:48 < karasz> thx mnemoc 
19:50 < karasz> i want to automaticaly make a maildir for every new user i make
19:50 < karasz> for that i made one in /etc/skel/
19:51 < karasz> which i will use with the -k switch of useradd
19:51 < karasz> question is, what will happen to the rights of the copied directory?
19:51 < _Ragnar_> try
19:52 < karasz> good answer :D
19:52 < _Ragnar_> but I'd they they will be set correctly
19:52 < _Ragnar_> I'd think*
19:56 < karasz> _Ragnar_: your assumption is corect.
19:56 < karasz> thx
19:57 < mnemoc> karasz: useradd -m
19:57 < rxr> mnemoc: free-climbing in berlin:
19:57 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/thall-2004/
19:57 < mnemoc> rxr: i thought berlin was flat :p
19:58 < rxr> ouhm - depends
19:58 < rxr> that is in a hall anway
19:58 < mnemoc> i noticed :p
19:58 < _Ragnar_> the houses are steep enough
19:58 < _Ragnar_> 8)
19:58 < mnemoc> :)
19:59 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: have you climbed someone's house?
19:59 < rxr> I start to kinda love the real tranparency in my X ... though it is software rendered right now ...
20:00  * _Ragnar_ whistles innocently :)
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20:01 < mnemoc> rxr: where is that wall? is it permanent?
20:01 < rxr> yes, in a hall
20:02 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i'll not ask details :p
20:02 < mnemoc> rxr: city hall?
20:02 < rxr> in the area where I live 2 years ago - about 15-20 minutes away from my current flat
20:02 < rxr> mnemoc: no, commercial climbing hall
20:02 < mnemoc> ah... ic
20:02 < rxr> but there is a open (under the sky) articial climbing rock between susan and my flat
20:03 < mnemoc> very nice
20:03 < rxr> but I have no photos handy of that
20:03 < jsaw> re
20:04 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEF9B4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
20:05 < morfoh> rehi
20:05 < jsaw> hi morfoh 
20:05 < morfoh> hi Dr. J. :)
20:05 < morfoh> jsaw: hope you didn't smoked that much today ;)
20:05 < jsaw> just normal amount of shit
20:05 < jsaw> eh 
20:06 < jsaw> I mean tabacco
20:06 < morfoh> shit ?
20:06 < morfoh> :)
20:06 < morfoh> now I know :)
20:06 < jsaw> ups
20:06 < morfoh> now I even understand the name Dr. J. :)
20:07 < rxr> here it is:
20:07 < rxr> http://www.alpenverein-berlin.de/page.php?pid=45
20:07 < rxr> on that top I have been already a few times
20:07 < rxr> too bad lars is hanging around in the other end of germany right nwo - thus such clibing became far too seldom ...
20:07 < mnemoc> wb mofoh
20:07 < rxr> hi morfoh and jsaw 
20:08 < jsaw> hi mnemoc , rxr 
20:08 < mnemoc> morfoh: did you alter target/install/build_stage2.sh to get mnemosyne working on 2.2?
20:08 < jsaw> mnemoc: he needs to change target/livecd/...
20:09 < morfoh> hi rxr, mnemoc :)
20:09 < mnemoc> rxr: very interesting city you have there
20:09 < mnemoc> jsaw: uh
20:09 < jsaw> iirc he created a livecd
20:10 < jsaw> the init changes from target/install are not yet in target/livecd
20:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: I installed mnemosyne@2.2 but it complained that it has no "touch"
20:11 < morfoh> so runit/1 isn't starting
20:12 < mnemoc> morfoh: why don't you have touch?
20:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: already fixed my system to boot again ... have to take a look now
20:12 < mnemoc> morfoh: do you have something to commit?
20:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: mom
20:14 < morfoh> but the installer was fuunctioning quite well ;)
20:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: regarding the commit I just changed target/install/build_stage2.sh
20:16 < morfoh> as you mentioned 
20:16 < morfoh> if we talk about mnemosyne@2.2 
20:16 < morfoh> mnemosyne@live isn't working yet
20:16 < karasz> hmm, mnemoc i guess that there is a big error in the scripts i sent you
20:17 < karasz> script uses chpasswd instead of checkpawwsord
20:17 < karasz> even checkpassword
20:18 < karasz> btw wb morfoh 
20:18 < morfoh> thx tovorish karasz ;)
20:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: but why didn't have touch ?
20:19 < mnemoc> i have touch, why don't you?
20:19 < morfoh> X -1-3-5---- 107.100 base coreutils 5.2.1 / base/tool DIETLIBC 0
21:03 < morfoh> btw, it seems that the version of our linux26 package will be wrong extracted or why is package for the recent 2.6.15.3 kernel name vmlinuz_2.6.15.2.3-dist ?
21:04 < morfoh> ah! no ... the [V] tag is wrong
21:06 < jsaw> morfoh: I was wondering too, but I can't see it...
21:06 < jsaw> morfoh: checking with hexdump...
21:06 < morfoh> patch-2.6.15.2-3.bz2
21:06 < morfoh> [V] 2.6.15.3
21:07 < jsaw> ? and where's the wrong V tag?
21:08 < morfoh> jsaw: I assume that it should be 2.6.15.2-3  ... or not ?
21:12 < Baldzius> jsaw: http://pastebin.com/545080 <- [0]=>file
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21:12 < Baldzius> any ideas?
21:13 < CIA-9> jsaw * r15367 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
21:13 < CIA-9> * add "echo_warning"
21:13 < CIA-9> * change libtool-fixing methods to use echo_warning
21:13 < jsaw> no, should be 2.6.15.3 as www.kernel.org says
21:15 < Baldzius> jsaw: ooops
21:15 < Baldzius> now with 15367 it works! :)
21:15 < Baldzius> heh g*
21:15 < CIA-9> jsaw * r15368 /trunk/package/base/libtool/notinst_path-fix.patch: * fix notinst_path cleanup with patch (due to NO-LIBTOOL-FIXUP)
21:16 < jsaw> Baldzius: ??????
21:16 < Baldzius> jsaw: i had http://pastebin.com/545080 before r15367
21:16 < mnemoc> what nasty-boy did?
21:16 < Baldzius> mnemoc: nothing :)
21:17 < jsaw> oh f*ck, I did another change that slipped in...
21:17 < jsaw> yes, I added the check if /usr/bin/libtool exists
21:19 < Baldzius> thanks :)
21:19 < Baldzius> now i can resume ref build
21:19 < Baldzius> :)
21:19 < jsaw> :)
21:22 < rxr> so - n8 all
21:22 < Baldzius> gn8 rxr
21:23 < jsaw> rxr: http://pastebin.com/545612
21:23 < jsaw> gn8 rxr
21:34 < karasz> gn8 rxr
22:02 < karasz> new HEAD desktop regression 
22:02 < karasz> http://www.x5.ro/regressions/desktop/regressions.html
22:03 < Baldzius> hi karasz
22:03 < karasz> hello Baldzius 
22:03 < Baldzius> checked your gmail account? :)
22:04 < karasz> not recently :(
22:04 < karasz> i am not very used to it, sorry
22:04 < Baldzius> no problem , just sent all songs i had :)
22:05 < Baldzius> enjoy
22:05 < karasz> thx very much
22:05 < sepp_> moin 
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22:07 < karasz> moin sepp
22:07 < sepp> hi karasz 
22:11 < karasz> build/desktop-2.2.0-alpha-x86-64-athlon64-desktop/var/adm/logs/5-eel.log should not be present (now in src/invalid-files.lst)!                                                                                                                         
22:11 < karasz> what is that ^^ ?
22:12 < jsaw> karasz: somehow this file survived after you disabled the package or so
22:12 < jsaw> karasz: simply do a "cat src/invalid-files.lst|xargs rm -vf"
22:12 < karasz> it was after a svn up on head and restart build
22:13 < jsaw> so, eel got removed during after svn up ...
22:13 < karasz> ic
22:13 < karasz> ok, thx
22:15 < sepp> http://www.crocuta.net/AtTheGayBar.mov <- super hilarious - ignore the silly title ;)
22:22 < jsaw> yeah
22:32 < CIA-9> jsaw * r15369 /trunk/package/base/pcre/ (pcre.conf pcre.desc rip-gentoo-unsaneity-check.patch): 
22:32 < CIA-9> * rip gentoo's ltmain-libtool unsane^Wsanity version check
22:32 < CIA-9>  from configure (can break emerging)
22:32 < CIA-9> * copyright updates
22:35 < Baldzius> jsaw: http://pastebin.com/545724 <- =[2]=> Aborted building package boehm-gc.
22:36 < jsaw> o.O
22:37 < jsaw> Baldzius: try re-adding "[F] LIBTOOL-QUIRK"x
22:37 < Baldzius> 'k
22:39 < Baldzius> jsaw: hm not working
22:41 < jsaw> o.O
22:42 < jsaw> try NO-LIBTOOL-FIX
22:44 < Baldzius> jsaw: the same :(
22:45 < jsaw> totally fresh build?
22:47 < jsaw> can you please ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg $cfg -remove libtool ?
22:49 < Baldzius> if that won't help i'll try fresh ref build
22:50 < jsaw> hmmm
22:51 < Baldzius> ok starting fresh ref build with svn up :)
23:35 < morfoh> re
23:36 < karasz> wb kommrad
23:36 < Baldzius> wb master of security and kung-fu :)
23:37 < morfoh> kung-fu master is greeting the gun boy :)
23:38 < Baldzius> nah, according to master of kick-box (mnemoc) i am now nasty-boy :)
23:39 < morfoh> Baldzius: why nasty ?
23:39 < Baldzius> ask him :)
23:39 < morfoh> Baldzius: what have you done ?
23:40 < Baldzius> morhof : see 2006-02-06 updates of mine :)
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23:42 < morfoh> hola miguelito :)
23:42 < madtux> hallo morpheos :)
23:42 < karasz> hi madtux 
23:43 < madtux> greetings karasz 
23:43 < morfoh> oh! karasz is still in da house :)
23:43 < karasz> 23:41:44 karasz wb kommrad :D
23:43 < morfoh> madtux: but my nick has nothing to do with morpheos 
23:45 < morfoh> madtux: it's an african name, in the language of a tribe called ngwen 
23:47 < morfoh> to be more precisely ... it's one of the hundreds of small tribes in cameroon, west africa ... their "homebase" is in the north western region ... near the border to nigeria
23:47 < karasz> Maka-Njem ?
23:47 < morfoh> karasz: what ?
23:48 < karasz> wp Ngyem?
23:49 < karasz> is those that you talk of?
23:49 < karasz> even are...
23:52 < morfoh> karasz: I doubt that ... did you found some information ?
23:53 < morfoh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngyeme ?
23:53 < karasz> ^^ yes
23:53 < morfoh> as far as I can see this is a tribe from the east
23:53 < morfoh> north east even
23:54 < morfoh> I think there are about 250 different tribes in .cm
23:54 < karasz> i lack that deep knowledge to diferenciate between eastern and western .cm :D
23:54 < karasz> so they are not?
23:54 < morfoh> with very different languages sometimes
23:55 < morfoh> i.e. my friend just hardly understands the mother lang of his wife
23:56 < morfoh> and the the territories of both tribes are just 30km away from each other 
23:56 < karasz> :D, unity through diversity
23:57 < karasz> we'll learn that some day.....
23:57 < karasz> at least I hope
23:57 < morfoh> I'd like too ... I even speak some few words 
23:57 < morfoh> ;)
23:58 < karasz> no more foreign languages :D
23:58 < karasz> let's stick to english
23:58 < morfoh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banso <-- those are from the same area
23:59 < morfoh> some years ago I had a banso girlfriend :p
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