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00:46 < CIA-7> jsaw * r15130 /trunk/package/network/avahi/ (. avahi-daemon.init avahi-dnsconfd.init avahi.desc):
00:46 < CIA-7> * add avahi 0.6.5 (A Zeroconf mDNS/DNS-SD responder)
00:46 < CIA-7> (needed by ekiga)
01:06 < mnemoc> o_O
01:06 < jsaw> ?
01:06 < mnemoc> i didn't expect that kind of dependencies
01:07 < jsaw> hmm, doesn't sound too unnatural
01:07 < jsaw> to me
01:13 < jsaw> mnemoc: it's actually optional
01:13 < jsaw> damn, just found out...
01:13 < jsaw> anyway... let's get full functionality
01:16 < mnemoc> :)
01:16 < jsaw> hmmm, plugin digital camera doesn't create /dev/sda* devices
01:19 < jsaw> plugging*
01:22 < jsaw> mnemoc: apropos ooo, wanna add http://bibus-biblio.sourceforge.net/ ?
01:24 < CIA-7> jsaw * r15131 /trunk/package/network/opal/ (. opal.desc):
01:24 < CIA-7> * move opal (Open Phone Abstraction Layer 2.1.2 beta)
01:24 < CIA-7> out of ekiga
01:26 < CIA-7> jsaw * r15132 /trunk/package/multimedia/ekiga/ (ekiga.conf ekiga.desc):
01:26 < CIA-7> * remove opal sources (see r15131)
01:26 < CIA-7> * enable dbus if available
01:26 < CIA-7> * disable avahi if not available
01:31 < jsaw> *gah*
01:32 < jsaw> some programmers seem to think that the distributors exist only to fix their broken build trees
01:39 < jsaw> mnemoc: ping
01:40 < jsaw> mnemoc: look here: http://www.pybliographer.org/help/recode
01:40 < jsaw> mnemoc: should I add the patch for recode?
01:41 < jsaw> oh
01:41 < jsaw> oh
01:41 < jsaw> oh
01:42 < jsaw> done already since ages: svn log package/base/recode/recode-3.6.patch
01:42 < jsaw> r1911 | rene | 2003-12-04 23:28:43 +0100 (Thu, 04 Dec 2003) | 3 lines
01:42 < jsaw> by myself...
01:44 < CIA-7> jsaw * r15133 /trunk/package/multimedia/ekiga/ekiga.conf:
01:44 < CIA-7> * sorry for another fix, committed too fast:
01:44 < CIA-7> comment out dbus support, as it breaks the build
01:44 < CIA-7> (but now ekiga builds fine!)
01:44 < jsaw> har har
01:45 < jsaw> rpm package installs its own beecrypt
01:46 < mnemoc> :)
01:47 < jsaw> how f* stupid
01:47 < jsaw> and not even a configure option to suppress it
01:48 < mnemoc> o_O
01:48 < jsaw> it simply goes to subdir "beecrypt" and runs "make install"...
01:48 < jsaw> oh my
01:49 < mnemoc> SUBDIRS=beecrypt ?
01:49 < jsaw> yep
01:51 < jsaw> jsaw shoots rpm developers: rpm 4.2*, sources only provided in rpm format
01:52 < mnemoc> o_O
01:52 < jsaw> does our build system handle rpms ?
01:54 < mnemoc> no
01:57 < CIA-7> jsaw * r15134 /trunk/package/security/beecrypt/beecrypt.desc: * move beecrypt prio before rpm
02:03 < CIA-7> amery * r15135 /trunk/package/multimedia/sn9c102/ (5 files): * added sn9c102 (1.26) - SN9C10x PC Camera Controllers
02:10 < jsaw> contents of rpm-4.2-1.src.rpm:
02:10 < jsaw> rpm-4.2.tar.gz
02:10 < jsaw> rpm.spec
02:11 < jsaw> *GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH*
02:11 < jsaw> ldd /bin/rpm
02:11 < jsaw> not a dynamic executable
02:12 < jsaw> they do not even require beecrypt to be installed
02:13 < CIA-7> jsaw * r15136 /trunk/package/archiver/rpm/ (9 files):
02:13 < CIA-7> * do not install beecrypt files
02:13 < CIA-7> * copyright update
02:14 < mnemoc> :)
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02:39 < CIA-7> jsaw * r15137 /trunk/package/audio/xmms-nas/xmms-nas.desc: * AUTOMAKE-QUIRK needed
02:42 < jsaw> oh
02:43 < jsaw> http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/erde/0,1518,grossbild-569576-398010,00.html
02:49 < CIA-7> jsaw * r15138 /trunk/package/graphic/tetradraw/tetradraw.desc:
02:49 < CIA-7> * fix for 64bit machines
02:49 < CIA-7> * used wide-char support of ncurses
02:53 < jsaw> if they really release solaris under GPLv3, will we have t2 with solaris kernel...?
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07:19 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.1.1 and 2.2.0-epsilon RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Say hello and do not hesitate to ask us any questions that you may have. | http://www.rafb.net/paste/
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07:19 [Users #t2]
07:19 [@ChanServ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ rxr_ ] [ _Ragnar_]
07:19 [ Baldzius_] [ karasz] [ morfoh] [ raamcm] [ sepp_ ]
07:19 [ CIA-7 ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
07:19 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
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07:21 < raamcm> Hi rxr
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08:05 < sherniux> Baldzius_ esi?
08:14 < rxr_> re
08:14 -!- You're now known as rxr
08:14 < rxr> hi raamcm and sherniux
08:18 < rxr> In total, more than one thousand Wikipedia edits in various articles have been traced back to congressional staffers at the U.S. House of Representatives in the past six months.
08:56 < valentin> moin
09:02 < rxr> moin valentin
09:06 < valentin> hi rxr, how are you ?
09:10 < rxr> this damned USB 2 version of Adaptecs USB<->SCSI cable is not responding as demanded
09:10 < rxr> aside from that fine
09:14 < rxr> and you ?
09:15 < valentin> a bit sleepy but fine, thx
09:15 < valentin> think it is time for a breakfast now
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09:24 [@ChanServ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sepp_ ]
09:24 [ Baldzius_] [ karasz] [ morfoh] [ raamcm] [ valentin]
09:24 [ CIA-7 ] [ LMJ ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ _Ragnar_]
09:24 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
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09:32 < LMJ> morning
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09:46 < raamcm> Hi rxr, how are you
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09:48 < LMJ> hello sepp ;)
09:59 < rxr> raamcm: thanks, fine and you?
09:59 < rxr> moin LMJ
09:59 < rxr> hm
09:59 < LMJ> moin rxr
09:59 < rxr> with a SCSI device with ID 0 on the Adaptec USB cable it works
09:59 < rxr> damn
09:59 < rxr> maybe if would have worked since months and the linux code is just giving up to early if there is no device with a low ID
09:59 < rxr> damned
10:25 < rxr> after days of device hacking this office (not only the desk) already looks like a bomb drop ...
10:25 < rxr> damned - guess I have tó spend a hour today sorting all the bits and pieces ...
10:39 < karasz> moin all
10:41 < rxr> moin karasz
10:42 < karasz> hi rxr
10:42 * rxr back in some minutes
10:42 < karasz> i'd like to setup an automount for my USB devices
10:42 < karasz> is there anything that i must configure in KDE?
10:58 < rxr> re
10:58 < rxr> karasz: 2.1 or trunk ?
11:04 < karasz> 2.1
11:04 < karasz> x86-64
11:06 < karasz> be back in 15 mins to discuss that
11:06 < karasz> oki?
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11:09 < rxr> karasz: sure
11:09 < rxr> karasz: hm - on trunk u/dev and hal would do that nicely
11:09 < rxr> karasz: on 2.1 you should use some classic automount mechanism - but I have not tried them for years
11:09 < rxr> karasz: maybe mnemoc has more automount experience on 2.1
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11:13 < rxr> reiser4 performance is really superb ...
11:13 < rxr> http://www.road-gmbh.de/produkte/index_01.html
11:13 < rxr> ^- this company is literaly just some streets away from here
11:13 < rxr> wonders if this is vapo-ware or a real thing
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11:38 < Baldzius> good morning
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11:49 < rxr> moin Baldzius
11:50 * rxr booting into a less verbosly instrumented kernel
11:50 < rxr> cu soon
11:59 < rxr> re
12:06 < Baldzius> moin rxr
12:07 < rxr> perl-5.9.3 ???
12:07 < rxr> ooo-build-2.0.1.2
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12:29 < Baldzius> bratka i n.akmene
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12:30 < karasz> i cannot find mnemosyne target on 2.1 config ....
12:30 < Baldzius> hi karasz
12:30 < karasz> hello Baldzius
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12:31 < Baldzius> karasz: i have one Arina song - Moonlight song
12:31 < sherniux> Baldzius atsikelei?
12:31 < Baldzius> bratka i n.akmene
12:35 < karasz> Baldzius: :)
12:36 < karasz> i cannot find mnemosyne target on 2.1 config ....?!?
12:36 < Baldzius> you want it?
12:36 < karasz> yup
12:36 < karasz> if you can...
12:36 < Baldzius> karasz: ok, later this evening
12:36 < karasz> np
12:36 < karasz> thanks in advance
12:37 < Baldzius> i can get album but she sings in lithuanian
12:37 < karasz> np
12:37 < karasz> lituanian is ok
12:37 < Baldzius> interested ---^ ?
12:37 < karasz> ofcourse
12:37 < Baldzius> :)
12:37 < karasz> it will broaden my language horizons... :)
12:38 < Baldzius> ok i'll donwload it
12:38 < karasz> if it is not a trouble for you.
12:38 < Baldzius> no :)
12:43 < karasz> hmm mnemosyne is 2.0 related??
12:43 < karasz> i mean 2.2
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12:44 < Baldzius> i don't know
12:45 < morfoh> tovorish karasz, mnemosyne was removed from the official 2.1 tree afaik
12:45 < karasz> spasiba kommrad morfoh
12:45 < karasz> but why?
12:45 < morfoh> karasz: I think the target got an own "home"
12:45 < rxr> karasz: maintained off site ?
12:46 < karasz> rxr?
12:46 < rxr> karasz: but I think mnemosyne is stable with 2.1 and not regularly tested with 2.1, so it is intended to work and be stable with 2.1 ...
12:46 < rxr> karasz: svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne or so ...
12:46 < morfoh> karasz: yeah it's stable
12:46 < rxr> karasz: but I do not knwo more details it is morfoh pet ...
12:47 < morfoh> rxr: you meant mnemoc's pet ;)
12:47 < morfoh> karasz: but I can help you to get it
12:47 < rxr> morfoh: yeah ...
12:48 < rxr> morfoh: stupid auto completion ... ,-)
12:48 * rxr slaps irssi ...
12:48 < karasz> so i should try with my 2.1 and a svn ...
12:48 < karasz> or go to the trunk?
12:48 < morfoh> rxr: don't slap irssi ... I like mnemosyne too ;)
12:48 < owl> moin
12:49 < morfoh> karasz: first change into your 2.1 t2 base dir
12:49 < karasz> yup
12:49 < morfoh> svn pedit svn:externals target/
12:49 < morfoh> then an editor window is opening
12:49 < morfoh> right ?
12:50 < karasz> yup
12:50 < karasz> vi in fact
12:50 < morfoh> insert following -> mnemosyne http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk
12:50 < karasz> done
12:51 < morfoh> mnemosyne http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk
12:51 < morfoh> ^^ that's the right syntax
12:51 < rxr> hm
12:51 < rxr> bummer
12:51 < rxr> damn usb-scsi cable f*ck up my usb ports now ..
12:51 < rxr> needs reboot soon
12:51 < rxr> damn that I have a ssh with a long-time job runnign - sigh
12:51 < morfoh> karasz: save the content
12:52 < morfoh> karasz: now you can "svn up" and it will fetch mnemosyne
12:52 < karasz> from my point of vierw they look the same
12:54 < morfoh> karasz: of course it's the same ... I just wanted to show you the bare line. ;)
12:54 < karasz> :)
12:54 < karasz> thatr much i know already that `insert following ->` is not part of the syntax, but thanks anyway
12:54 < karasz> mnemosyte here i come...
12:55 < morfoh> karasz: I just wanted to asure that you are going to use the right syntax on a monday :p
12:55 < karasz> monday?
12:55 < karasz> i didn't even noticed that
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12:58 < karasz> hmm --Network --Comunication [] Director?
12:58 < karasz> what is that?
12:58 < rxr> re
12:59 < morfoh> karasz: ipvs (Loadbalancing)
12:59 < karasz> ahum, so i do not need it...
13:05 < rxr> 7 files changed, 311 insertions(+)
13:05 < rxr> adaptec-usbxchange nears to be send upstream
13:12 < mnemoc> moin
13:12 < rxr> moin mnemoc
13:12 < mnemoc> moin moin rxr
13:12 < karasz> moin mnemoc
13:12 < morfoh> moin mnemoc
13:13 < mnemoc> hi karasz, morfoh
13:14 < mnemoc> yuck, mkinitrd needs disktype :\
13:22 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, for smart rootfs type detection
13:22 < rxr> it does fallback to try any availble - but this results in many ugly "superblock not found whatsoever" kernel messages
13:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: good luck with mnemosyne on trunk ;)
13:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: as we discussed some days before, you'll need some more additional packages on 2.2 for building mnemosyne
13:24 < mnemoc> i'm building a minimal mnemosyne for now
13:25 < morfoh> rxr: where do we have a copy of the T2 logo as .svg ?
13:26 < rxr> morfoh: no idea
13:26 < rxr> morfoh: some personal webspace or some HD, somewhere
13:26 < rxr> but this logo will be wiped before the CeBIT anyway
13:27 < mnemoc> any ideas in mind?
13:27 < rxr> worst case it is already lost on the shred HD of my iBook that went ebay
13:27 < morfoh> rxr: do we'll change the colors ?
13:27 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - unfortunatly most logo work is mostly ignored due to fun of coding instead
13:27 < rxr> mnemoc: most probably something with Madedas "simplicity" in mind
13:27 < rxr> Maeda's ...
13:28 < rxr> something without animals, slick and simple
13:29 < mnemoc> just T^2 ?
13:29 < mnemoc> or T_2 ?
13:30 < karasz> morfoh: ping
13:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'd prefer a simple and clean logo too ... instead of trying to find an obscure mascot :)
13:30 < mnemoc> :)
13:31 < karasz> morfoh: is it sane that i am injecting mnemosyne trunk into 2.1 stable tree?
13:31 < mnemoc> karasz: mnemosyne is only tested on 2.1 currently :p
13:31 < karasz> oki
13:31 < morfoh> karasz: answered :)
13:33 < mnemoc> but damn sn9c102 driver only works on linux "2.6.15-git6 or greater" so i have to port azazel to T2 2.2 asap
13:33 < morfoh> rxr: do you want to reuse the "nice" green color from the current logo for the new one ?
13:34 < rxr> morfoh: open - maybe not
13:35 < mnemoc> i prefer blue
13:35 < mnemoc> and gray :p
13:35 < rxr> mnemoc: ack - me too
13:36 < mnemoc> morfoh: propose something for the page, and we adapt the logo and 'merchandising' after that :)
13:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: because you said that the logo will not be changed ... I tried to use the current colors for the new T2PloneSkin :p
13:41 < mnemoc> morfoh: i didn't say it wont be changed, i said that it's _the_ current logo
13:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you prefer more, the default 3 column plone look and feel or a bit more cleaner 2 columns version ?
13:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: I know ... I'll not bother you with it anymore :p
13:45 < mnemoc> i prefer 2 columns
13:45 < morfoh> me too
13:48 < mnemoc> morfoh: i would merge contact and support on top bar menu, in pro of 'packages'
13:49 < mnemoc> morfoh: and remove the calendar in favor of the last news
13:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... the calendar will be removed, but anyway the news portlet is yet activated on the right
13:50 < morfoh> but it's empty :p
13:50 < raamcm> Hi rxr
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14:18 < raamcm> Hi rxr
14:19 < raamcm> hi i have onemore problem
14:32 < raamcm> i am got erre
14:32 < raamcm> error
14:32 < raamcm> Not a valid build: bootdisc
14:32 < raamcm> wht this
14:39 < raamcm> anybody there
14:50 < rxr> re
14:51 < raamcm> Hi RXR
14:53 < rxr> hi
14:53 < raamcm> wht's my problem
14:53 < raamcm> Not a valid build: bootdisc
14:55 < rxr> raamcm: what did you try ?
14:59 < raamcm> i gave all comments same time in via shell script
15:00 < raamcm> finally i got this error
15:00 < mnemoc> ls -1 config/
15:00 < raamcm> i don't know exactly where this error found
15:01 < mnemoc> Build-Target probably
15:01 < mnemoc> ls -1 config/
15:01 < raamcm> ok
15:02 < raamcm> it's showing three directory
15:03 < raamcm> bootdisc;default;system
15:03 < mnemoc> there is a 'bootdisc' there ?
15:03 < raamcm> yeah
15:03 < mnemoc> ls config/bootdisc/
15:04 < raamcm> instead 2 files
15:04 < raamcm> config abd packages
15:04 < mnemoc> uhm
15:04 < raamcm> sorry config and packages
15:05 < mnemoc> what t2 tree are you using?
15:05 < raamcm> t2-2.1.1.1
15:05 < mnemoc> ok
15:06 < mnemoc> Config -cfg bootdisc -oldconfig <--- and http://www.rafb.net/paste/ the output please
15:06 < raamcm> ok
15:09 < raamcm> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/AyGPji94.html
15:10 < mnemoc> looks good
15:10 < raamcm> can i use pastebin.com
15:10 < mnemoc> free world
15:10 < raamcm> ok tellme wht should i do
15:11 < raamcm> hmm
15:11 < raamcm> i am now sleepy mood
15:11 < mnemoc> Download -cfg bootdisc -required ?
15:12 < raamcm> this is one i give
15:13 < raamcm> oh shit i got again error
15:13 < raamcm> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8ugIqU57.html
15:14 < raamcm> plz check it
15:14 < raamcm> :-(
15:14 < CIA-7> rene * r15139 /trunk/package/base/linux26/adaptec-usbxchange.patch: * added support for the Adaptec USB*Xchange family of USB<->SCSI cables
15:15 < mnemoc> raamcm: rm download/Mirror
15:16 < raamcm> yeah i did
15:16 < raamcm> how mach time this take
15:17 < raamcm> i am sleepy mood now
15:17 < mnemoc> what mirror did it choose?
15:17 < raamcm> INFO: Using mirror <http://t2sde.yi.org/t2/2.1.1.1>
15:17 < CIA-7> rene * r15140 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel: * added the adaptec-usbxchange firmware to the archivista target
15:18 < raamcm> tell me mnemoc
15:19 < rxr> mnemoc: do you have mirror infrastructure for the long 2.1.1.1 version ?
15:21 < sepp> moin
15:21 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
15:21 < rxr> o
15:21 < rxr> k
15:21 < mnemoc> rxr: lot of hardlinks but yes
15:21 < raamcm> yeah thaT'S DOWNLOADED
15:21 < raamcm> oh capslock on
15:22 < raamcm> sorry
15:22 < raamcm> wht i do now
15:23 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/VmxUde64.html
15:23 < mnemoc> raamcm: Download again, until everything is downloaded
15:23 < mnemoc> raamcm: and then, Build-Target -cfg bootdisc
15:24 < morfoh> h*ll my connection is lagging :(
15:24 < morfoh> hi sepp :)
15:24 < sepp> raamcm: but if bootdisc downloads e17 there is something wrong
15:24 < sepp> hi morfoh
15:24 < raamcm> wrong
15:25 < mnemoc> did you set 'bootdisc's target?
15:25 < raamcm> yeah
15:25 < mnemoc> grep TARGET config/bootdisc/config
15:25 < mnemoc> grep '^X' config/bootdisc/packages | wc -l
15:26 < raamcm> export SDECFG_TARGET='generic'
15:26 < mnemoc> so you didn't
15:26 < raamcm> 97
15:26 < rxr> l
15:26 < mnemoc> and you set 'crosscompile'
15:27 < mnemoc> but why e17? .oO
15:27 < raamcm> no i did't set
15:28 < raamcm> ok tell me exact remedy plz
15:28 < mnemoc> rm -rf config/bootdisc
15:28 < raamcm> i am now very pethetic situation
15:28 < raamcm> ok i did
15:28 < mnemoc> Config -cfg bootdisc
15:29 < mnemoc> set architecture, optimization and target.... then exit
15:29 < raamcm> yeah i did
15:30 < mnemoc> grep '^X' config/bootdisc/packages | wc -l
15:30 < mnemoc> grep TARGET config/bootdisc/config
15:31 < raamcm> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Rds5Ia77.html
15:31 < raamcm> i paste it
15:32 < mnemoc> how did you 'exit' Config ?
15:32 < raamcm> yeah
15:32 < mnemoc> yeah?
15:33 < raamcm> i am not select in arch
15:34 < raamcm> but i select only generic system and minimal packages
15:34 < raamcm> thats it
15:35 < raamcm> :-(
15:36 < raamcm> i got toomuch tired
15:36 < raamcm> plz tellme
15:36 < mnemoc> 1) why do you name 'bootdisc' a generic/minimal? 2) how did you exit Config? ctrl-c? 3) grep ARCH config/bootdisc/config
15:39 < raamcm> export SDECFG_ARCH='x86'
15:40 < raamcm> can i give again that same comment
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15:41 < raamcm> sorry commanr
15:41 < raamcm> sorry commant
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15:42 < raamcm> really very sorry some junk input
15:42 < raamcm> tell me mnemoc
15:44 < raamcm> ok i am now leaving
15:44 < morfoh> f* disconnect, first they are robbing all the bandwidth with senseless p2p traffic and then they reset the router ... :-/
15:44 < raamcm> plz put some further step
15:45 < raamcm> :-/
15:45 < raamcm> :-\
15:45 < raamcm> :-(
15:46 < raamcm> :(
15:46 < raamcm> :-(
15:46 < raamcm> ok bye now
15:48 < mnemoc> raamcm: you are doing something weird inside Config i don't understand
15:55 < CIA-7> rene * r15141 /trunk/package/base/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
15:55 < CIA-7> * copied the linux26mm based adaptec-usbxchange patch into linux26mm
15:55 < CIA-7> and rediffed it to apply against vanilla linux26
15:56 < rxr> morfoh: they == your living community ?
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16:37 < morfoh> hi moped missile :)
16:41 < morfoh> already helped my windooze p2p friend to get a network connection again ... what I really shouldn't had done ... again lagging :(
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16:43 < morfoh> I can drink a coffee during the delay of displaying 2 characters in a ssh
16:46 < karasz> that is harsh kommrad...
16:47 < morfoh> that's pain tovorish karasz
16:47 < sepp> i suggest level1 hardware - my box always resets if >2 users run wireless p2p
16:48 < morfoh> sepp: it's a netgear dsl router crap box
16:56 < morfoh> .oO( that's no fun! :((( )o
17:06 < misl> Error logs from ref64-2.1-test-x86-64-generic:
17:06 < misl> [1] base/linux26 [1] base/linux24
17:06 < misl> [5] base/linux24 [5] games/bsd-games
17:06 < misl> [5] graphic/transfig [5] network/ettercap
17:06 < misl> [5] develop/mono [5] network/chrony
17:06 < misl> [5] x11/ddcxinfo [5] www/w3m
17:06 < misl> [5] contrib/directfb [5] network/gsmlib
17:06 < misl> [5] filesystem/siefs [5] emulators/gens
17:06 < misl> [5] textproc/xmlstarlet
17:06 < misl> 1650 builds total, 659 completed fine, 15 with errors.
17:26 < rxr_> hi misl
17:27 -!- You're now known as rxr
17:30 < mnemoc> rehi
17:31 < morfoh> wb mnemoc
17:31 < mnemoc> misl: what is breaking linux{24,26}?
17:43 < mnemoc> funny... wine IEXPLORER.EXE starts in half the time i need to start firefox
17:44 < sparc-kly> O_0
17:47 < LMJ> moin moin
17:49 < mnemoc> moin LMJ
17:50 < LMJ> how are you mnemoc ?
17:50 < mnemoc> stunned :\ to much heat
17:51 < rxr> yeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!
17:51 < rxr> root@localhost:/media# cat /proc/scsi/scsi
17:51 < rxr> Attached devices:
17:51 < rxr> Host: scsi16 Channel: 00 Id: 05 Lun: 00
17:51 < rxr> Vendor: IOMEGA Model: ZIP 250 Rev: H.41
17:51 < rxr> Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
17:51 < rxr> multi target support working on teh USB2Xchange - finally ...
17:53 < misl> sorry mnemoc: I was having dinner
17:53 < misl> I will look what caused linux{24,26} problems
17:55 < misl> linux26 in stage1: --> os-interface.c:1262: error: structure has no member named `rlim'
17:56 < misl> linux24 in stage1:
17:56 < misl> x86_64-t2-linux-gnu-kcc -march=i586 -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -pipe -fno-str
17:56 < misl> ict-aliasing -fno-common -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -DLINUX -I/mnt/space/t2/2.1-test
17:56 < misl> /src.linux24.ref64.20060130.081418.25867.noisy/linux-2.4.31/include -c km.c
17:56 < misl> km.c:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set
17:56 < LMJ> 4°C here ;)
17:56 < misl> km.c:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set
17:56 < misl> make: *** [km.o] Error 1
17:56 < misl> o_O
17:57 < misl> linux24 in stage 5 has the same problem
17:57 < misl> kcc -march=i586 -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-co
17:57 < misl> mmon -DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -DLINUX -I/TOOLCHAIN/src.linux24.ref64.20060130.0822
17:57 < misl> 10.4242.noisy/linux-2.4.31/include -c km.c
17:57 < misl> km.c:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set
17:57 < misl> km.c:1: error: CPU you selected does not support x86-64 instruction set
17:57 < misl> make: *** [km.o] Error 1
17:58 < mnemoc> o_o
18:00 < misl> I guess this is due too noisy not being fully 64bits
18:00 < misl> cross-building for x86-64 does work
18:00 < misl> that's why I tried to crossbuild for x86-64
18:01 < mnemoc> misl: cross-building doesn't include extra modules
18:01 < misl> ahh
18:01 < mnemoc> misl: native build does
18:01 < mnemoc> misl: don't blame poor noisy for not been pure
18:01 < misl> :)
18:01 < misl> okay I blame you instead :D
18:02 < mnemoc> :)
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18:17 < Bart-> moin *
18:17 < Bart-> what encoding is preferred in *.desc files?
18:18 < karasz> moin Bart-
18:18 < mnemoc> iso8859-1 i guess
18:18 < mnemoc> rxr: what encoding is preferred in *.desc files?
18:19 < rxr> utf-8
18:19 < rxr> mnemoc: utf-8 rules the world
18:20 < mnemoc> :)
18:20 < karasz> mnemoc: I followed your advice :)
18:20 < karasz> I am buildin mnemosyne for my webserver
18:20 < mnemoc> karasz: and?
18:22 < Bart-> as I thought ;] why *.desktop files are missing in Firefox and mrxvt? I'd like to generate menus using *.desktops - so I'll like to add them for myself anyway
18:24 < mnemoc> Bart-: add a .desktop file at package/*/firefox and package/*/mrxvt
18:26 < Bart-> mnemoc, sure, but I don't know how, as a patch or a file added in some mistical way?
18:27 < karasz> mnemoc: nothin, just buildin
18:27 < karasz> it is a PIII so it will take a while
18:27 < Bart-> and I know at most two languages so others should patch it if they want localized menus ;]
18:27 < mnemoc> Bart-: everything you send to t2@t2-project.org should be diff -u from t2-root
18:27 < mnemoc> Bart-: *.desktop files, just copy them to $confdir (package/$repo/$pkg) can generate the diff
18:28 < Bart-> oops, I wanted to say "hello ML" in normal way ;] but ok, I'll send a diff -u ;]
18:30 < Bart-> ok, mnemoc most importand question now and I'm gonna be quiet: I'm trying to build a package which has oly Makefile but *without* "install" target and it breaks when invoking "make install"
18:31 < CIA-7> msluis * r15142 /branches/2.1-test/package/multimedia/libmpeg2/libmpeg2.desc: * merged 14847 from trunk branch: libmpeg2 misses -fPIC, added FPIC-QUIRK
18:31 < Bart-> should I add "install" rule to Makefile using patch or ypu do this in some other way?
18:32 < mnemoc> Bart-: makeinstopt= disable `make install`, and you can install using postmake hook
18:33 < Bart-> mnemoc, thx, I'll grep packages first to see how it is done ;]
18:33 < mnemoc> :)
18:33 < Bart-> me\ -q
18:33 < CIA-7> msluis * r15143 /branches/2.1-test/package/archiver/lzo/lzo.desc: * merged 14839 from trunk: marked lzo FPIC-QUIRK, as needed (x86-64)
18:34 < CIA-7> msluis * r15144 /branches/2.1-test/package/mail/maildrop/maildrop.desc: * merged 14693 from trunk: maildrop needs FPIC-QUIRK
18:40 < mnemoc> Bart-: subscription mails are sent to lists@t2-project.org, not to the list itself
18:41 < valentin> hi
18:42 < valentin> Bart-: i can subscribe you manualy if you wish
18:43 < valentin> oh, you are already
18:45 < CIA-7> rene * r15145 /trunk/package/base/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * added multi target quirks to the Adaptec USB2Xchange support patch
18:45 < rxr> so - that should have been the USB2Xchange work - hopefully, finally
18:45 < Bart-> I found only one address on website and subscribed earlier, thought that t2@ is some other list
18:47 < valentin> hi rxr, did you fix the kernel module ?
18:47 < rxr> valentin: I wrote it ,-)
18:47 < Bart-> [S] Stable <- refers to software status or package status?
18:48 < rxr> Bart-: both
18:48 < rxr> Bart-: mostly software
18:48 < valentin> though there is no such thing like "stability" in software ;)
18:49 < mnemoc> i know only two almost-perfect pieces of software
18:49 < valentin> mnemoc: share your secret
18:49 < rxr> but then e.g. a softwae is 0.1 or 0.2 and claims to be alpha or beta and we know it works as expected we mark it Stable non-the-less
18:49 < mnemoc> valentin: vlan and vmailmgr
18:50 < valentin> how about vim ?
18:50 < mnemoc> well... it's usability is not very close to perfection :p
18:50 < rxr> valentin: vim is POS
18:50 < valentin> thinking about an [UF] tag ...
18:51 < valentin> POS ?
18:51 < rxr> piece of shit
18:51 < valentin> hehe
18:51 < rxr> valentin: when you claim it's pefection you oviously only used it with it's basic feature and never looked into the source
18:51 < valentin> i do not claim it is perfect software
18:52 < valentin> don't even use it too much except for console editing
18:52 < rxr> 18:50 < valentin> how about vim ?
18:53 < rxr> sounded like "isn't vim near perfection" ...
18:54 < valentin> did you ever see vim crash ?
18:55 < mnemoc> great point
18:55 < mnemoc> vi /proc/kmem
18:57 < valentin> mnemoc: nasty
18:58 < valentin> but kcore is read only
18:58 < mnemoc> :)
19:00 < rxr> yes, vim's most annoying issue is reading the whole file into memory at open() time ...
19:00 < valentin> yea
19:03 < mnemoc> not if you set it to not count the lines
19:07 < rxr> ouhm
19:08 < valentin> mnemoc: you are right - turning off the ruler information, i can edit a 25GB file...
19:09 < mnemoc> :)
19:11 < valentin> and with rulers on, you can hit controll-c and it will stop loading and go into editing mode
19:23 < sepp> " [... 1146 vertices ...] " and vim with syntax highlight is dead
19:26 < sepp> once i opened a game model in the silly xml format with 10.000 polys and after 10 minutes vim was still "thinking"
19:36 < valentin> Fetching external item into 'source/utility'
19:36 < valentin> Updated external to revision 400.
19:36 < valentin> Fetching external item into 'target/mnemosyne'
19:36 < valentin> Updated external to revision 300.
19:36 < valentin> nice numbers...
19:37 < mnemoc> h:)
19:37 < mnemoc> :)
19:39 < rxr> GTK+ 2.8.11
19:40 < Bart-> how can I disable installing junk like empty COPYING, INSTALL, TODO? what is "createdocs=0" for?
19:43 < rxr> Bart-: you can disable T2's auto-copy with SDECFG_CREATE_DOCS in your Config
19:43 < rxr> though maybe packages still install it's own stuff
19:43 < rxr> you can use INSTALL_FITLER translators to get rid of them generically
19:44 < Bart-> rxr, but it IS disabled till.. ee.. ever
19:45 < Bart-> I'd like to kill autocteation of /usr/doc/package since it should be /usr/share/doc/package-version, is it possible to fix it or disable?
19:47 < mnemoc> patch, or install_wrapper or flistdel
19:48 < Bart-> hey, maybe I can redefine $docdir
19:48 < mnemoc> docdir=whatever
19:48 < Bart-> this should be fixed upstream IMO, not in every package
20:03 < Bart-> still bad, after redefining setting docdir=$docdir-$ver I got 2 docdirs
20:03 < mnemoc> i think you want to use install_wrapper
20:06 < Bart-> actually I just want to "rm -rf" somehow ;] brb
20:08 < rxr> mnemoc: we try to build 2.1 ooo on powerpc - let's see
20:09 < rxr> on the ooo homepage they only have 1.0 binary for powrpc ...
20:09 < rxr> powepc
20:09 < rxr> +r
20:09 < rxr> damned
20:09 < valentin> hm, since when is this supported: [P] X -----X---X 201.300
20:09 < rxr> valentin: maybe not at all ?
20:09 < rxr> better fix it
20:09 < valentin> must be from rock days (because it is my package)
20:09 < rxr> where do you see it ?
20:10 < mnemoc> rxr: try on 2.1-test
20:10 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm
20:10 < rxr> build started already ...
20:10 < mnemoc> ok :)
20:10 < rxr> mnemoc: test has a newer ooo?
20:10 < valentin> asterisk and ser
20:10 < rxr> mnemoc: also there is a even newer ooo .2
20:10 < rxr> saw it on t2-update
20:10 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.1-stable has 2.0.0.1 (which doesn't save non-M$ formats)
20:10 < rxr> mnemoc: you do not want to test on trunk ?
20:11 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm trying to build an azazel on trunk
20:11 < mnemoc> rxr: == 17:11:48 =[1]=> Building base/ncurses [5.4 2.2.0-alpha]. currently
20:13 < CIA-7> valentin * r15146 /trunk/package/network/ (asterisk/asterisk.desc ser/ser.desc): * fixed malformed [P] tags
20:13 < mnemoc> valentin: svn blame?
20:14 < valentin> mnemoc: why ? i think asterisk was one of my first packages, so i think i created it like that
20:15 < rxr> we off - cu
20:15 < mnemoc> valentin: :)
20:16 < valentin> cu rxr
20:16 < mnemoc> cu rxr, have fun
20:32 < Bart-> now I have 3 docdirs, beautyfull
20:39 < valentin> about half of our cache .deps are still uneeded
20:39 < valentin> and we have many obsoleted dependencys
20:40 < mnemoc> valentin: i can't update as often as i would like due to python miss-depedencies
20:40 < mnemoc> every python package is detected to depend on every other python package
20:40 < valentin> hm, some of my hits are stage 0 ghosts
20:41 < valentin> mnemoc: i do a list and mark every dependcy to X as optional, if Y is build prior to X according to [P]
20:41 < valentin> assuming trunk builds with [P] order, it should give something close to the truth
20:42 < valentin> except for stage 0 packages like tar etc... of course
20:42 < mnemoc> ack
20:42 < valentin> should have thought for stage 0 and filtered them out before ... mom, i'll do
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20:46 < valentin> the optionals this run gives should be a lower bound on the number of "optional tags" we need to sort packages without looking at [P]
20:47 < valentin> over 1000 ... .oO
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20:48 < Bart-> mnemoc, can't get what to do with this install_wrapper
20:49 < Bart-> this crap is even harder to use than rpm
20:49 < mnemoc> Bart-: a sed expression to apply to cp and install calls
20:50 < Bart-> but grep doesn't show me any package using this
20:50 < jsaw> re
20:51 < Bart-> can't I simply kill this shitty feature which auto-makes mess in $docdir? I saw packages using createdocs=0 but thos does not work for me
20:51 < sepp> grep INSTALL_WRAPPER_FILTER
20:51 < valentin> mnemoc: many packages have no .cache yet
20:53 < mnemoc> valentin: throw them to the end
20:53 < valentin> mnemoc: i'm searching for "optionals" atm...
20:54 < valentin> by looking at [P] order
20:54 < valentin> once i used the output to break cycles, i can see how packages are reordered when sorted after DEPs
20:55 < valentin> btw, some of that stuff is quite elementary. i think i cannot throw all to the end because other packages dep on it.
20:58 < valentin> mnemoc: 1578 deps pointing "backwards"
20:58 < valentin> and 405 obsoleted deps
20:59 < valentin> not to mention about 50 missing .cache files :/
20:59 < mnemoc> just 50?
21:00 < valentin> mnemoc: the list fits onto one fullscreen xterm
21:00 < valentin> 73 missing .cashes
21:00 < valentin> caches
21:02 < valentin> mnemoc: most of the backward stuff is basic tools like gawk, bash, sed ...
21:10 < Bart-> INSTALL_WRAPPER_FILTER gives nothing :[ I don't want to modify commands but just delete autogenerated $docdir with its content, f*ck, just rm -rf $docdir
21:12 < mnemoc> valentin: we suppose to use groups for those
21:12 < mnemoc> Bart-: hook_add postdoc 5 'rm -rf $docdir'
21:13 < Bart-> so easy?! can't belive that ;] me\ gome to check this out
21:16 < Bart-> nope, did not rm anything
21:18 < Bart-> well, actally it deleted but *files on disk*
21:19 < valentin> rm -rf $docdir ? isn't that harmfull ?
21:20 < Bart-> can this crappy shit be used from regular user
21:20 < Bart-> 's account?
21:20 < mnemoc> Bart-: you said you want to "rm -rf $docdir" and i told you how
21:20 < mnemoc> $root/$docdir is safer but equaly ugly
21:20 < Bart-> mnemoc, thx, right. Next time try to be helpful, tell me to rm -rf /
21:20 < mnemoc> Bart-: lusers can't chroot
21:23 < Bart-> now I undestand why you have mess in $docdir, you simply cannot control this
21:23 < Bart-> s,$docdir,/usr/share/doc,
21:24 < Bart-> anyone knows how to tell this pig not to auto-install docs when building package?
21:25 < mnemoc> createdocs=0
21:25 < Bart-> i sayd that this do nothing
21:25 < Bart-> said even
21:30 < rxr> re
21:31 < Bart-> some package is ugly built, I have file: /usr/share/doc/sed.html but it should be rather in "sed" directory
21:31 < rxr> valentin: filter out what is needed for build anway, bash, sed, awk, ...
21:32 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/g0ST9N86.html
21:33 < rxr> mnemoc: open a trac issue and assign it to me ,-)
21:33 < rxr> mnemoc: for the python junk
21:33 < mnemoc> rxr: trac what?
21:33 < rxr> trac issue for python dep junk
21:33 < rxr> mnemoc: that change is ok with me
21:34 < rxr> mnemoc: IIRC clifford demanded to copy elementary stuff at 1.7 times
21:34 < rxr> mnemoc: one can most probably find a trace of that in the old list archives if still there
21:34 < rxr> but I ACK your diff
21:34 < mnemoc> rxr: :)
21:34 < rxr> /we sleeping in some minutes
21:35 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. we should detect and complain if the packages make install (or other custom, broken .conf stuff) creates a file aside $docdir
21:35 < rxr> I saw some packages copy simillar stuff what we do automatically in their make install cycle
21:35 < rxr> avrdude is an example IIRC
21:36 < rxr> but I'll sleep now - n8 all
21:36 < Bart-> rxr, could you fix build system to allow disabling docs auto instalation please?
21:36 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
21:36 < mnemoc> Bart-: i'll do, give me two minutes
21:37 < Bart-> oh, I thought that nobody cares ;]
21:37 < Bart-> besides, ypu must know this bug pretty well to fix it in two minutes ;]
21:37 < CIA-7> amery * r15147 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: * changed createdocs=0 to also omit essential documentation
21:38 < mnemoc> Bart-: svn up
21:41 < Bart-> hey, this works!
21:41 < valentin> rxr: yes, that is obvious. still many remain
21:41 < Bart-> thx mnemoc, createdocs=0 do whot I expect
21:42 < valentin> gn8 all
21:42 < Bart-> gn8
21:42 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin
21:42 < mnemoc> Bart-: :)
21:43 < Bart-> well, 4 hours for package which takes me about 3 minutes while usng RPM...
21:43 < mnemoc> Bart-: i didn't know the bug pretty well, i just know where to look at
21:43 < Bart-> I wanted to save time using automated build but it seems to be impossible ;]
21:44 < mnemoc> Bart-: the first time is always more difficult than the next
21:46 < Bart-> especially when bugs "help", I found createdocs during first 10 minutes
21:47 < mnemoc> it wasn't a bug, it was a design decition
21:47 < mnemoc> which T2's core architect agree to change
21:47 < Bart-> yeah, script was developing random features ;]
21:53 < Bart-> off
21:54 < mnemoc> cu
21:54 < Bart-> cu *
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22:21 < CIA-7> aldas * r15148 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/ (5 files): * updated gtk+ (2.8.10 -> 2.8.11)
22:32 < CIA-7> aldas * r15149 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/ (asterisk.conf asterisk.desc): * updated asterisk (1.2.1 -> 1.2.3)
22:39 < CIA-7> aldas * r15150 /trunk/package/security/botan/botan.desc: * updated botan (1.4.11 -> 1.4.12)
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23:06 < CIA-7> aldas * r15151 /trunk/package/graphic/vips/vips.desc: * updated vips (7.10.17 -> 7.10.18)
23:13 < sepp> :)
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