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02:23 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
02:23 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
02:23 [Users #t2]
02:23 [ _Ragnar_] [ dalibor] [ kristian] [ mtr_] [ rxr     ] [ Xenos] 
02:23 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw   ] [ LMJ     ] [ nzg ] [ rxr_    ] 
02:23 [ CIA-9   ] [ karasz ] [ mnemoc  ] [ owl ] [ valentin] 
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02:23 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug  8 21:15:33 2004
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08:50 < LMJ> good morning
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09:16 < kristian> moin
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10:33 < LMJ> moin the chan
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12:14 < karasz> moin all
12:30 < valentin> moin
12:42 < LMJ> moin valentin 
12:42 < Baldzius> good morning LMJ valentin karasz
12:43 < LMJ> hello Baldzius 
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12:46 < karasz> damn !
12:46 < karasz> http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/best-linux-distribution-of-them-all.html
12:46 < karasz> `Did you know, Debian is the only Linux distribution that supports architectures other than x86/IA32, Intel 64 bit, AMD 64 bit and PowerPC ?`
12:47 < LMJ> what is debian ? ;)
12:47 < karasz> dunno
12:47 < karasz> ;)
12:48 < LMJ> by the way, a distro who handle a bunch of architectures is nice, but do you have a bunch of architectures at home ? since the number of supported archi is not linked wit the quality of the distro ;)
13:00 < rxr_> re
13:00 < karasz> hi rxr
13:01 < LMJ> hy rxr
13:01 < rxr_> LMJ: yes, x86, x86-64, powerpc, powerpc64, sparc, sparc64, arm, mips64 over here ...
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13:01 < LMJ> I know ;)
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13:03 [ _Ragnar_] [ geekitus] [ kristian] [ mtr] [ valentin] 
13:03 [ Baldzius] [ jsaw    ] [ LMJ     ] [ owl] [ VX      ] 
13:03 [ CIA-9   ] [ karasz  ] [ mnemoc  ] [ rxr] 
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13:03 < rxr> LMJ: just because you asked some minutes ago ,-)
13:03 < rxr> though historically we have been a bit weak in installable cds for some architecture
13:03 < rxr> this will change in 2.2
13:04 < rxr> I'll first pass addint more features when the t2 architecture/*/boot code works on all architectures I have here
13:04 < rxr> except the IBM RS6000 B50 maybe
13:04 < rxr> it's openfirmware is a bit borky ...
13:04 < rxr> well - though it boots with tiny manual intervention
13:06 < LMJ> i think that's enough
13:06 < LMJ> do you have an idea about the number of people who use t2 in the world ?
13:29 < rxr> well - we have not a too long history - in ROCK we never gained the critical mass due to close-ness of the source, lack of communication and extremely bad fair presentations (as in hacking around eating pizza there)
13:29 < rxr> with t2 this all is already way better IMHO
13:30 < rxr> and thus we start to spread
13:30 < rxr> right now t2 has a lot of hidden users, that use just "a product" made with t2
13:30 < rxr> archivista alone has over 50 of those I guess already ...
13:31 < rxr> my estimate is in the hundreds region right now - which is not bad considering we started mostly from scratch PR-wise one and a half year ago
13:31 < CIA-9> rene * r14018 /trunk/package/base/psmisc/ (fixes.patch install.patch psmisc.desc): * updated psmisc (21.8 -> 21.9)
13:32 < rxr> ms personal esimate is also that we already passed rock in terms of users, which is not that hard considering how few are using it
13:32 < rxr> s/ms/my/
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13:35 < CIA-9> rene * r14019 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * updated poppler (0.4.2 -> 0.4.3)
13:37 < CIA-9> rene * r14020 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.2.2 -> 4.3.3)
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13:39 < madtux> hi
13:39 < Baldzius> 4.3.3 is unstable :)
13:39 < Baldzius> hi madtux
13:39 < madtux> Baldzius, :)
13:45 < LMJ> ok rxr
13:46 < CIA-9> rene * r14021 /trunk/package/security/botan/botan.desc: * updated botan (1.4.9 -> 1.4.10)
13:46 < rxr> hi
13:46 < rxr> Baldzius: yes, sorry
13:46 < rxr> to be honest I have not noticed the 2->3 in the middle ...
13:46 < rxr> moin miguel
13:46 < Baldzius> hi rxr, np :)
13:52 < karasz> rxr should i use the 2.2 alpha?
13:53 < karasz> i mean there will be an bootable iso arpund xmas?
13:56 < rxr> karasz: yes - for x86
13:56 < karasz> ofcourse
13:56 < valentin> damn. rxr: in the german nib there is not enough place for the profiles button
13:57 < karasz> i will use it on a x206 
13:57 < valentin> i try to downsize the other buttons for an epsilon factor
13:57 < rxr> and as soon as I get the fan-control patch for my PPC64 a boot-cd will flollow closely thereafter
13:57 < rxr> valentin: hm
13:57 < rxr> you are at home today ?
13:57 < valentin> well, i am now
13:59 < rxr> so you are in ah later on ?
13:59 < valentin> maybe, don't know yet
13:59 < valentin> why ?
13:59 < valentin> i first want to finish the i18n stuff
13:59 < valentin> done in some minutes
14:02 < rxr> archivista has some problems with USB on the GeodeLX and I do not have them with the AV220 equicalent Xerox model on my side
14:04 < valentin> if you want to fetch that scanner, i'll stay at home
14:04 < rxr> I do not know yet
14:04 < rxr> but intersting to know that you are there right now
14:05 < rxr> do what you want - you do not need to stay there
14:07 < karasz> rxr the xmas release will be a standard iso, not a livecd right?
14:07 < rxr> karasz: yes - standard isos know that we have good code for that now
14:07 < rxr> and u/dev support within
14:07 < valentin> grr - theese lousy designed apple tools are wasting my time again
14:08 < karasz> ok
14:08 < karasz> i can hardly wait... ;)
14:12 < rxr> as in you want the classic install cd back ?
14:13 < valentin> finaly - the correct encoding ... sigh...
14:14 < rxr> hm - damn - I only have crap kernel on my sub-notebook - all with disfuctinoal initrd ..
14:14 < rxr> my oh my - why have I tested the 32bit flavour on the other partition yesterday ...:-((
14:15 < valentin> so, in trunk now.
14:15 < valentin> rxr: if you want to give it a try...
14:15  * valentin brunch
14:16 < rxr> brunch?
14:16 < rxr> well - I have to do a couple of other things first
14:16 < rxr> including booting a useful kernel on my sub-notebook
14:19 < rxr> 01:39 < benh> paulus: btw, found a bug in therm_pm72 :)
14:19 < rxr> 01:39 < benh> paulus: might explain some of the user reported shutdowns ....
14:19 < rxr> 01:39 < benh> paulus: when it got into "normal" overtemp, it puts all fans to full speed .... but it puts the liquid pumps to min speed =P
14:19 < rxr> 01:39 < benh> paulus: stupid typo
14:19 < rxr> 01:39 < benh> paulus: explains why I have this log where the CPU continues heating up despite the fans blowing
14:19 < rxr> ^- hehe haha *lol*
14:19 < rxr> and why I still think Apple is so stupid to do software control fan / water pumb control ...
14:21 < valentin> rxr: you don't need to hurry. i think i'll reboot my ibook into linux now
14:23 < valentin>  one little thing i could do: rxr, do you think it is usefull if the driver "remembers" the last profile that was scanned from ? so that profile pops up on startup again ?
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14:35 < mnemoc> moin
14:35 < valentin> hi mnemoc 
14:36 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
14:36 < mnemoc> rxr: i just know gnome ask gtk about locations, and gtk fail to find the stuff. this also affect xfce.
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14:43 < mnemoc> http://www.frappr.com/t2 *G*
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14:51 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - also some gnome stuff crashes with gtk_stock_ something 
14:51 < rxr> e.g. yelp in the latest version - but other stuff as well
14:52 < mnemoc> uhm
14:52 < rxr> frapper is what?
14:52 < rxr> ah ic
14:52 < rxr> mnemoc: susan debugged it yesterday and I took some looks as well
14:52 < rxr> but no patch yes
14:52 < rxr> yet
14:53 < rxr> but susan reached a level where the t2 gnome2 state annoys here enough to track it down - which I kind a like ,-)
14:53 < mnemoc> :)
14:53 < rxr> mnemoc: do you propose to fill http://www.frappr.com/t2 ?
14:54 < rxr> "The Frappr Team Loves Firefox!" - haha ...
14:55 < rxr> Invalid City. Please try again
14:55 < rxr> ^- doesn't like Berlin ..
14:55 < mnemoc> :p
14:56 < valentin> where t
14:57 < valentin> where the f... is berlin ? ;)
14:57 < valentin> this apple usb keyboard's rubber foots are to small
14:58 < valentin> sometimes it slips on my desk underneath my fingers and then i hit the wrong key - like return :)
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15:17 < karasz> hi mnemoc 
15:17 < karasz> what's that frapper?
15:18 < mnemoc> a frontend to google maps with flags :p
15:18 < karasz> nice
15:18 < mnemoc> i found it funny
15:18 < karasz> but what's the connection with T2?
15:18 < karasz> visual map of contributors?
15:19 < mnemoc> nothing serious
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15:20 < karasz> nice thou
15:20 < karasz> postgresql had something similar way back iirc
15:20 < mnemoc> wb nzg 
15:21 < karasz> for core team
15:21 < karasz> not with google
15:22 < mnemoc> yes
15:22 < mnemoc> add yourself :)
15:23 < karasz> you don't mind?
15:23 < mnemoc> why should i?
15:25 < mnemoc> :)
15:30 < rxr> the thing doesn't like acents ...
15:30 < rxr> ? is rejected ...
15:30 < rxr> aside that the registration does not work in konqueror
15:30 < rxr> due to city javascript or so does not work 
15:31 < rxr> http://www.frappr.com/t2
15:32 < mnemoc> :(
15:33 < rxr> huh?
15:33 < rxr> there it has the acent
15:33 < rxr> on the registration it clained it is invalid and I should only use letters and digits ...
15:33 < rxr> damned
15:33 < rxr> maybe I have another display name than login name now or so ...
15:33 < rxr> who knows ...
15:34 < karasz> my e-mail is not valid o.o
15:34 < rxr> http://www.frappr.com/gentoo
15:34 < rxr> .oO
15:34 < karasz> but yahoo acount is valid O.O
15:37 < karasz> why is myname@x5.ro invalid as e-mail address???
15:38 < rxr> guess too short for quickly hacked sanity checks
15:39 < karasz> bad sanity check if i may say so...
15:39 < rxr> of course ,-)
15:39 < rxr> as it does not like my name in certain code places ...
15:40 < karasz> i guess you should consider a name change ;)
15:40 < rxr> definetly
15:40 < karasz> maybe ask them what your name should be?
15:40 < rxr> as the german gonvermnet does not print them in passports ...
15:40 < karasz> no, i am being mean here
15:40 < rxr> in the last one they even manually added the ' with a pen ...
15:40 < karasz> it is a beta guys
15:41 < karasz> so we can show a liitle more patience i guess...
15:41 < rxr> guess a life-time beta as the other majority of google things are ,-)
15:43 < karasz> that true too ;(
15:43 < karasz> i am putting thou a great hope in google talk
15:43 < karasz> as i am sick of skype
15:44 < karasz> i never saw a piece of software like skype
15:46 < rxr> I never saw a piece of software like skyp used that much
15:46 < rxr> :-(
15:46 < karasz> gimme an alternative
15:47 < karasz> except wegophone
15:48 < karasz> i tried to find one with jabber back, but it seems that there is none
15:48 < mnemoc> linphone?
15:49 < karasz> do you use it?
15:51 < rxr> valentin: feel like adding yourself to: http://www.frappr.com/t2 ?
15:51 < karasz> mnemoc, linphone ok, but i need it crossplatphorm
15:52 < karasz> in the end i don't want to talk only with myself..
15:53 < madtux> i added myself... hope its fine.
15:54 < mnemoc> google talk :)
15:55 < mnemoc> good, we are 5! :D
15:55 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: http://www.frappr.com/t2 ?
15:55 < mnemoc> LMJ: http://www.frappr.com/t2 ?
15:55 < LMJ> hello back
15:55 < mnemoc> hi LMJ 
15:55 < LMJ> re-loading the webpage, gonna post ;)
15:56 < madtux> do u guys now see what i mean when i see mnemoc lives at the end of the world
15:56 < LMJ> i have to suscribe ?
15:56 < mnemoc> LMJ: register, yes :(
15:57 < mnemoc> madtux: there is lot of world souther than i
15:57 < madtux> i don't care... i still will tease u
15:57 < madtux> :)
15:57 < mnemoc> :)
15:59 < LMJ> http://www.frappr.com/t2 ;)
16:00 < mnemoc> :)
16:01 < madtux> why do u all guys have to live in europe?
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16:01 < demian> hi
16:02 < LMJ> because it's cool madtux ;)
16:02 < mnemoc> :)
16:02 < mnemoc> wb demian 
16:03 < madtux> LMJ, u will have to come here first, then we can talk about :)
16:03 < demian> i didnt want to come back.. but it's okay.
16:03 < LMJ> where do you live ?
16:04 < mnemoc> demian: so what are you doing here?
16:04 < LMJ> madtux : one thing is sure, if my tux is mad on your place, i couldn't come :-D
16:04 < mnemoc> LMJ: the flag below .mx :)
16:04 < demian> mnemoc: i was on the beach, having some fun.. but i got to work again..
16:04 < madtux> :)
16:06 < rxr> mnemoc: I announce this http://www.frappr.com/t2 to the list, ok?
16:06 < mnemoc> rxr: sure :D
16:07 < LMJ> and we will know the true
16:07 < LMJ> resultat : 10 t2 users in the world :-/ ;)
16:07 < mnemoc> i prefer 10 good users than 10000 pimps
16:07 < LMJ> result*
16:07 < rxr> my gentoo is faster than yours ,-)
16:08 < mnemoc> :)
16:08 < rxr> -funroll-all-loops and -O666 did the trick
16:08 < LMJ> what is gentoo ? ;)
16:08 < LMJ> LMAO
16:08 < LMJ> -infinite-loops-generator
16:08 < mnemoc> *G*
16:14 < LMJ> I made some basic  .desc about some xfce-plugins, it could be useful to share them here ?
16:14 < rxr> LMJ: of course, best sent to the mailing list
16:14 < rxr> subscription _not_ required
16:14 < valentin> rxr: currently i only have keinek for http://www.frappr.com/t2
16:14 < LMJ> also for emelfm2 (a twin panel GTK file manager)
16:15 < mnemoc> LMJ: send diff -u   patches
16:15 < valentin> gentoo: gcc -Omg -m1 -s0 -l33t ;)
16:15 < valentin> -m3 even
16:15 < LMJ> but always has an error with emelfm2 at the end of the compilation, when it copy files, an error about icons missing, but the software works
16:15 < LMJ> ROTFL valentin
16:16 < LMJ> sorry mnemoc, what should i do ?
16:17 < valentin> hm, this frapr does not work in konqueror ? where can i view the people list ?
16:17 < rxr> use a mozilla based thing
16:17 < rxr> konqueror does not work with google earth (yet)
16:17 < mnemoc> LMJ: svn diff, if you are using svn. or Create-Diff if you have two tree (one pristine and one modified)
16:17 < rxr> too much advanved javascript I was told
16:18 < valentin> advanced ;)
16:18 < valentin> i remember this lemmings emulator running in javascript...
16:18 < LMJ> well, i did a serwou/ directory in the tree
16:20 < rxr> LMJ: diff -u /dev/null package/serwou
16:20 < rxr> shoudl work IIRC
16:20 < rxr> diff -urN ,-)
16:21 < rxr> hm - or not
16:21 < LMJ> gonna just send them to the mailing list ;)
16:21  * mnemoc fear Baldzius 
16:21 < rxr> diff -urN /var/empty/  package/serwou
16:21 < rxr> ,-)
16:21 < madtux> wah karasz u are in romania?
16:22 < mnemoc> karasz is from romania
16:22 < madtux> i want to go to romania for vacations.
16:22 < madtux> quite a coincidence
16:22 < mnemoc> :D
16:28 < LMJ> to t2-svn@t2-project.org   will be ok ?
16:28 < rxr> t2@
16:28 < rxr> t2-svn is sending commit messages out
16:29 < karasz> really madtux ?
16:29 < LMJ> ok
16:29 < madtux> karasz, yeah
16:29 < karasz> when?
16:29 < karasz> and where exactly?
16:29 < Baldzius> mnemoc :)
16:29 < madtux> i guess sometime around august
16:29 < madtux> where i don't know yet... i am curious about the place.. but i still don't know much 
16:29 < madtux> i am doing my research
16:30 < karasz> ask around madtux i'll answer if i can ;)
16:33 < madtux> well lets start with where do u suggest to go?
16:33 < madtux> and how expensive is it there?
16:33 < madtux> :)
16:33 < LMJ> ok, sent rxr
16:33 < karasz> depends on what you want to see
16:34 < karasz> i preffer mountains if you ask me
16:35 < madtux> what are my options?
16:35 < karasz> i guess there are three
16:35 < karasz> 1. go and see the mountains
16:35 < valentin> rxr: so how do i enter berlin ?
16:35 < karasz> 2. go to the seaside
16:35 < karasz> 3. go and see some cities
16:36 < karasz> if you wanna see the mountains you got again 3 options
16:37 < karasz> west, east or middle
16:37 < madtux> i rather go to see mountains
16:37 < madtux> now whats the dfference between one and another?
16:37 < karasz> western mountains are smaller, limestone with a lot of villages
16:37 < mnemoc> .oO( karasz has modeled tourism at romania )o
16:37 < karasz> eastern mountains are bigger, vulcanic mountains
16:38 < rxr> valentin: in mozilla? it just works
16:38 < karasz> the middle oneas are the biggest of them all
16:38 < rxr> only on konqueror the javascript or so for it did not work and claimed berlin invalid
16:38 < madtux> snow and all?
16:38 < karasz> 2800 m
16:38 < karasz> not that big
16:38 < karasz> 2800m
16:38 < valentin> rxr: i'm using firefox
16:38 < karasz> for snow i guess you must have above 4000m
16:39 < karasz> madtux, did you visited Europe?
16:39 < karasz> i mean european mountains?
16:39 < valentin> rxr: using "Berlin, Berlin (Germany)" works
16:39 < madtux> just passed by
16:39 < karasz> mnemoc, ? i didn't get it
16:39 < madtux> karasz, but hey it sounds interesting
16:40 < karasz> it is very different from the rest of europe
16:40 < karasz> here they are in the most part as nature has intended it
16:40 < karasz> i mean no modernization what so ever
16:41 < karasz> most of them do not have roads ...
16:41 < karasz> you can find some resorts which are modernized thou
16:41 < valentin> Baldzius: i did not know you are still a young boy :)
16:41 < mnemoc> valentin: after that you can move the flag over your flat
16:41 < valentin> mnemoc: ?
16:41 < valentin> ah - enter google earth coordinates
16:41 < Baldzius> valentin: i have only 1 foto :)
16:42 < madtux> karasz, i am not looking for modernized places... i am looking for places to run away :)
16:42 < karasz> madtux, for the first impression i gues the middle mountains are the best
16:42 < madtux> and find some extreme sports to do if possible
16:43 < karasz> especially Busteni resort
16:43 < madtux> beautifull romanian females are welcome too
16:43 < karasz> :)
16:43 < karasz> not in mountains thou
16:43 < karasz> for that you must visit the cities
16:43 < mnemoc> valentin: on the profile there is an small map, where you can set your exact location
16:44 < madtux> so thats all decided... visit cities.. find beautifull lady and convince her to come to the mountains with me
16:44 < mnemoc> mountains i have here, i like cities and people :)
16:45 < karasz> madtux, Brasov is the place then
16:45 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - my marker position adjusted pixel accurately I think
16:45 < karasz> very close to the mountains, big city
16:45 < karasz> lots of companions ;)
16:45 < madtux> haha
16:46 < madtux> googling about brasov
16:46 < karasz> also a very beautifull city if i may add that
16:46 < mnemoc> rxr: i thought you live closed to valentin
16:46 < mnemoc> closer*
16:46 < valentin> mnemoc: i cannot zoom in there very far
16:46 < mnemoc> valentin: select hybrid
16:46 < rxr> no idea if valentin has updated his marker
16:47 < rxr> valentin: select satelite
16:47 < mnemoc> or satelite
16:47 < rxr> mnemoc: we are 45minute public transport away
16:47 < valentin> how can i move that marker ?
16:48 < mnemoc> my profile
16:48 < rxr> valentin: click on the map to place it at that position
16:49 < valentin> nothing happens
16:49 < rxr> worked here in mozilla
16:49 < madtux> mm... brasov.ro
16:49 < karasz> so madtux did i convinced you?
16:49 < valentin> maybe i have the wrong map open ? i am in my profile window
16:50 < valentin> ah - have to click on edid first
16:51 < madtux> i think u have
16:51 < madtux> i must read more and see.
16:51 < karasz> good ;)
16:51 < madtux> pics of females are always good motivation
16:51 < valentin> this map is a bit too small
16:52 < karasz> this is not only about chicks ;)
16:52 < karasz> thou i understand that thoose are beautifull too
16:52 < madtux> its said its good motivation... not "the only"
16:52 < madtux> :)
16:54 < karasz> bbl
16:55 < karasz> got to eat you know....
16:55 < madtux> 0_o
16:55 < karasz> so cu guys latter
16:55 < madtux> cya
16:55 < madtux> if the there wasn't a "k" in that sentence i would have freaked out
16:55 < valentin> so, done
16:56 < rxr> btw. there are nearly 50 people on the t2 list now
16:56 < mnemoc> :D
16:56 < CIA-9> amery * r14022 /trunk/package/mail/bincimap/bincimap-1.3.4-macandmime.patch: * fixed file corruption on bincimap-1.3.4 (WIP)
16:57 < madtux> 50?! holly
16:58 < rxr> 45 that is
16:58 < rxr> + the gmame gateway
16:58 < valentin> one cannot zoom very far into heidelberg :(
16:59 < mnemoc> valentin: on satelite?
17:00 < mnemoc> i get close enough to identify big streets
17:00 < valentin> yes, but compared to berlin and amsterdam it is lousy
17:00 < valentin> where you can get single houses
17:03 < rxr> LMJ: I'll add your patches after a rename to the xfce4 repository
17:04 < mnemoc> LMJ: next time send the uncompressed ,-)
17:04 < LMJ> sorry
17:05 < mnemoc> linux master jedi :p
17:05 < LMJ> is not a good nickname ? ;)
17:05 < LMJ> it's a trip with a friend, the one who convert me to linux 2 years ago
17:06 < mnemoc> :)
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17:18  * rxr waiting for linux26 to finish on the sub-notebook
17:18 < rxr> so I have network again and can finally flush my last nights changes. ..
17:18 < rxr> damned
17:19 < rxr> have I mentioned already that we only have been two students in the end of todays theoretical computer science lecture ... ,-)
17:22 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/contact.html
17:22 < rxr> ^- WORLD MAP
17:23 < mnemoc> can you inline the map?
17:24 < CIA-9> amery * r14023 /branches/2.1/package/mail/bincimap/bincimap-1.3.4-macandmime.patch: * merged 14022 from trunk: fixed file corruption on bincimap-1.3.4
17:26 < rxr> .oO
17:26 < mnemoc> .oO about imap or map?
17:28 < rxr> that I still have some non x86 binaries in my system
17:28 < rxr>  file /bin/* | grep cisco | wc -l
17:28 < rxr> 51
17:28 < mnemoc> o.o
17:32 < rxr> accidently extracted some cpio initrd or so some weeks ago
17:32 < mnemoc> :(
17:32 < rxr> thought I had fixed all that got not executable ...
17:32 < rxr> a file * loop did now ,-)
17:41 < rxr> the map does not work in most browsers anyway
17:43 < mnemoc> :(
17:44 < mnemoc> does it have more requirements than maps.google.com it self?
17:44 < rxr> no idea
17:44 < rxr> but that does not work in konqueror either
17:45 < mnemoc> not many browsers support ajax
17:46 < CIA-9> rene * r14024 /trunk/package/ (base/findutils/findutils.desc network/neon/neon.desc): 
17:46 < CIA-9> * removed trailing space from the V tag of findutils and neon, they
17:46 < CIA-9>  confuse gasgui
17:47 < madtux> ok i need get myself up-to-date on a few things
17:47 < CIA-9> rene * r14025 /trunk/scripts/ (Build-Target config.in): * simplified binary package format selection and associated code
17:47 < madtux> Where did scripts/dep_db.txt go to?
17:47 < rxr> I think to /dev/null
17:48 < madtux> what replaced it?
17:48 < jsaw> ??? the flag is near my house in a range of 200m (without me entering it)?
17:50 < mnemoc> madtux: $pkg.cache
17:50 < madtux> th
17:50 < madtux> x
17:50 < madtux> :)
17:50 < mnemoc> jsaw: google knows
17:50 < jsaw> mnemoc: I feared that...
17:51  * mnemoc wonders if frappr is related to google
17:51 < CIA-9> rene * r14026 /trunk/package/base/embutils/mount.patch: 
17:51 < CIA-9> * fixed embutils mount to not crash when no type is specified (long
17:51 < CIA-9>  standing bug)
17:54 < valentin> mnemoc: it says powered by google, so...
17:56 < CIA-9> rene * r14027 /trunk/package/base/embutils/xx-readlink.patch: * added a tiny readlink to embutils (used for some prettification)
17:59 < CIA-9> rene * r14028 /trunk/package/base/shadow/shadow.conf: 
17:59 < CIA-9> * fixed shadow /usr/bin -> /bin translation to not read the installed
17:59 < CIA-9>  file (resulted duplicate files in the flist)
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18:09 < misl> hi folks
18:10 < mnemoc> hi misl 
18:10 < mnemoc> name a city on the south of portugal
18:10 < rxr> welcome misl 
18:10 < misl> mnemoc: faro?
18:11 < mnemoc> i'm looking for a city to center t2 map :\
18:11 < mnemoc> but there is just ocean :\
18:11 < mnemoc> i think on north/east of brazil
18:12 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you try right now ?
18:12 < mnemoc> center t2 default map
18:13 < mnemoc> yes, natal worked
18:14 < misl> mnemoc: how about an island? The canaries?
18:14 < mnemoc> http://www.frappr.com/t2 <--- wrong center?
18:14  * madtux once a girlfriend in canaries.... beautifull woman there in awsome place.
18:15 < madtux> once had*
18:15 < mnemoc> you have had girlfriends all around the globe
18:15 < madtux> so perhaps i have traveled a bit.. its not my fault
18:16 < madtux> i am weak when it comes to woman..
18:16 < rxr> Linux 2.6.15-rc6
18:16 < VX> You have been added to 't2'!
18:16 < VX> :D
18:16 -!- VX is now known as Stelz
18:16 < Stelz> :D
18:16 < Stelz> my first nick
18:16 < Stelz> )
18:16 < mnemoc> new nick?
18:16 < Stelz> this is the first nick of my life © :>
18:16 < madtux> NICE
18:16 < Stelz> :D
18:17 < Stelz> mnemoc: very old ;)
18:17 < mnemoc> don't forget to register it
18:17 < Stelz> look at my ident
18:17 < Stelz> (username)
18:17 < Stelz> :)
18:17 < Stelz> mnemoc: already done
18:17 < Stelz> ;)
18:19 < Stelz> Stelz Moscow, Moscow (Russia)
18:19 < misl> Hi nick killer :)
18:19 < Stelz> The best distro of the best OS :D
18:19 < Stelz> :D
18:19 < Stelz> hello, misl 
18:19 < valentin> hi Stelz 
18:19 < Stelz> hi, valentin :)
18:19 < valentin> at all: how can i unlock locked files after an svn crashed ?
18:20 < valentin> svn cleanup
18:20 < mnemoc> svn cleanup
18:20 < mnemoc> :)
18:23 < rxr> if all goes well I'll have a x86-64 minimal installable ISO tonight
18:24 < mnemoc> what about x86-64/desktop on 2.1?
18:24 < mnemoc> *g*
18:25 < mnemoc> we could disable java... but wine and kdemultimedia must be there
18:27 < rxr> btw with currently t2 you'll not be able to run windows apps
18:28 < rxr> since AFAIK wine must be build in 32bit mode and we do not have all the libs in 32bit that are needed for wine
18:28 < rxr> thus wine is mostly useless even if it would build for x86_64 in t2 so far ...
18:28 < rxr> I vote for disabling it on x86-64 for now
18:28 < rxr> kdemultimeda is due ogg vorbis lib not found
18:28 < rxr> I fear due outdated custom libtool in the package
18:28 < rxr> I can test
18:38 < rxr> fetchmail:
18:38 < rxr> -[V] 6.2.5
18:38 < rxr> +[V] 6.3.1
18:38 < rxr> ?
18:38 < rxr> freshmeat: fetchmail 6.3.1 (Stable)
18:38 < rxr> fetchmail 6.2.5.5 (Legacy)
18:39 < mnemoc> if freshmeat say so
18:41 < Stelz> argh
18:41 < Stelz> i need c++ IDE
18:41 < Stelz> not on gnome/kde libs
18:42 < Stelz> i hate this buggers' gui libs
18:42 < mnemoc> gvim?
18:42 < Stelz> gtk/java :)
18:42 < Stelz> hm
18:42 < Stelz> gvim?
18:43 < mnemoc> http://scribes.sourceforge.net/index.html :)
18:43 < mnemoc> personally i use pida
18:43 < mnemoc> IDE over gvim
18:44 < Stelz> hm
18:44 < Stelz> looks nice
18:44 < Stelz> is it for c/c++?
18:44 < Stelz> no gnome libs? :)
18:45 < mnemoc> some very basic dependencies
18:46 < Stelz> blaaaaaaah!!
18:46 < Stelz> :(
18:46 < Stelz> pygtk
18:46 < Stelz> gnome-python
18:46 < Stelz> yelp
18:46 < Stelz> gnome-python-extras
18:46 < Stelz> no, thanks :)
18:46 < mnemoc> :)
18:48 < Stelz> http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/532.html
18:48 < Stelz> very nice :D
18:48 < Stelz> for wind0ze-userz
18:49 < rxr> hehehe
18:49 < mnemoc> windows is easy
18:49 < mnemoc> :)
18:49 < rxr> definetly - and everything works from alone without any user interaction - total plug'n play ...
18:50 < mnemoc> :)
18:50 < rxr> http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/534.html
18:50 < Stelz> http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/580.html
18:50 < Stelz> :)))))))))))))
18:53 < mnemoc> have you seen the 'mature' sticker they add to the bible?
18:53 < rxr> http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/552.html
18:55 < Stelz> but mnemoc
18:55 < Stelz> where is poked chanserv?
18:55 < Stelz> :D
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18:56 < Stelz> :)
18:56 < mnemoc> he listen
19:01 < karasz> re hi
19:01 < rxr> http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/683.html
19:01 < karasz> LMJ ping
19:02 < LMJ> yes
19:02 < LMJ> karasz : pong
19:02 < karasz> good
19:02 < karasz> i feard that something happened to you...
19:02 < LMJ> lol, why ?
19:03 < rxr> http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/685.html
19:03 < karasz> because you are `in earth` ...
19:04 < karasz> usualy that is a bad sign ... ;)
19:04 < LMJ> i am
19:05 < karasz> O.O
19:06 < rxr> http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/693.html
19:06 < LMJ> on the google map bookmark think ?
19:06 < karasz> yup
19:06 < LMJ> i posted 2h ago
19:06 < LMJ> give me the link again plz
19:06 < mnemoc> we have one non-irc user of frappr!
19:07 < karasz> www.frappr.com
19:07 < mnemoc> from spain
19:07 < mnemoc> LMJ is there
19:07 < mnemoc> at Toulouse
19:07 < LMJ> yes
19:07 < Stelz> http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~shane/stasj/pics/humor/div/693.html <- lol
19:07 < LMJ> Toulouse, close to Spain, on the french side
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19:08 < Stelz> hello, karasz, LMJ 
19:08 < karasz> so LMJ you are feeling OK then?
19:08 < LMJ> yes, feel better
19:09 < karasz> ?????? ???? Stelz 
19:09 < karasz> good to hear that LMJ ;)
19:09 < mnemoc> too much unicode
19:09 < Stelz> karasz: ?!
19:09  * karasz hides deeeep
19:09 < Stelz> u know RU ?:)
19:10 < karasz> nope
19:10 < Stelz> but :karasz : ?????? ???? Stelz 
19:10 < Stelz> :)
19:10 < Stelz> ?????? :)
19:10 < karasz> but aparently http://babelfish.altavista.com does ;)
19:10 < Stelz> ?????? :)
19:10 < Stelz> :)))
19:10 < Stelz> nice
19:11 < karasz> sigh...
19:11 < karasz> i wonder when will babelfish know romanian ....
19:11 < karasz> guess never :(
19:12  * karasz is in the process of re-surfing....
19:12  * karasz damn i hide deep when i do
19:12 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe we could use the http://www.t2-project.org/startpage/ we patch into mozilla alike browsers to redirect to the http://www.frappr.com/t2 and so remeber people to register ?
19:12 < karasz> btw is there a reason for which startpage <> index?
19:13 < karasz> last time i had T2 startpage was behind with the news...
19:13 < mnemoc> rxr: sounds good :)
19:13 < rxr> yes - to later have different content there
19:13 < karasz> ack
19:13 < rxr> like t2 based products announcements, community stuff and so on
19:14 < mnemoc> some day
19:14 < rxr> yes, some day ,-)
19:15 < rxr> I wonder if KDE 3.5 konqueror would render google maps
19:16 < mnemoc> you will gets google maps supporting konqueror before konqueror supporting google maps :\
19:17 < rxr> who says so ?
19:19 < rxr> redirect set up
19:19 < mnemoc> rxr: just i :)
19:24 < karasz> mnemoc, what is your problem with unicode?
19:25 < mnemoc> <karasz> \u0434\u043e\u0431\u0440\u044b\u0439 \u0434\u0435\u043d\u044c Stelz
19:25 < karasz> apart the fact that T2 chanel language is english...
19:25 < karasz> ouch
19:25 < karasz> i understand now
19:25 < Stelz> :)
19:25 < mnemoc> :)
19:25 < karasz> at my side looks ok
19:25 < karasz> guess irssi doesn't have unicode support
19:26 < mnemoc> :)
19:26 < mnemoc> that's why english is the internet language. the minimal set of chars :)
19:26 < karasz> don't want to go in that...
19:27 < karasz> but... not the character set size was primordial imho
19:27 < mnemoc> ack :)
19:28 < karasz> `The Solomon Islands alphabet is the smallest alphabet, with only 11 letters`
19:28 < mnemoc> o.o
19:29 < karasz> `The Khmer alphabet in Cambodia is the largest, with 74 letters`
19:29 < karasz> but i guess you can live without knowing that :)
19:29 < mnemoc> and chinese?
19:29 < mnemoc> or do they  count compositions?
19:30 < karasz> chinese is not an alphabet
19:30 < karasz> they do not have signs representing sounds
19:31 < mnemoc> who do they call it?
19:31 < karasz> ideograms
19:31 < karasz> signs represent ideeas, words in some cases sentences or even phrases
19:31 < mnemoc> yuck
19:32 < karasz> much like egyptian hierogliphs
19:32 < karasz> but they differ ofcourse
19:32 < karasz> i mean not their form but how they are made
19:32 < karasz> yuck me too
19:32 < LMJ> hy guys
19:32 < LMJ> little question for fun
19:33 < LMJ> do you know a Usenet file grabber ?
19:33  * rxr now installing kde 3.5 from the ref build just to see how google maps looks then
19:33 < karasz> they have some 60'000 signs iirc but they usualy use only a few thousand
19:33 < mnemoc> LMJ: a gave you a list from freshmeat some weeks ago
19:33 < LMJ> klibido/nzh
19:34 < LMJ> i only found that
19:34 < mnemoc> karasz: i doubt an average person can remember 60.000 signs
19:34 < karasz> they don't
19:34 < karasz> almost nobody know the whole alphabet
19:34 < karasz> usualy they use aprox 2-6000 signs
19:35 < LMJ> i haven't found my pleasure :-/ snif snif
19:35 < karasz> caligraphs (people who write for a living) use at most 17 000
19:36 < mnemoc> do chinese have something like 'coptic' for ancient egyptian?
19:37 < karasz> i do not fully understand you mnemoc 
19:37 < karasz> although i know what coptic means
19:37 < karasz> you mean a language that is most at the roots?
19:38 < mnemoc> the use of a know alphabet to right their 'ideograms'
19:38 < mnemoc> write*
19:38 < karasz> nope
19:38 < karasz> chinese is only written in ideograms
19:38 < karasz> but
19:39 < karasz> japanesse people did a smarter thing
19:39 < karasz> they imported ideograms from china, and using them they made some alphabets
19:39 < mnemoc> :)
19:39 < mnemoc> http://www.omniglot.com/
19:39 < karasz> in japanesse those ideograms represent sylabs
19:40 < karasz> and they are finite in number
19:40 < karasz> although not very finite
19:41 < mnemoc> egyptians also used their 'ideograms' to spell words
19:41 < karasz> but to answer your question iirc there is no alphabet for chinesse
19:41 < karasz> true
19:41 < karasz> but not only words, and this is the major drawback
19:42 < karasz> and i guess that you musn't use signs for words anyway
19:42 < karasz> just signs for sounds
19:42  * mnemoc likes latin alphabet :)
19:42 < karasz> there was a major debate in China about adopting an alphabet
19:43 < karasz> but they wouldn't do it in the end
19:44 < karasz> mnemoc, http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery;jsessionid=7mql4l3fpvgi4?method=4&dsid=2222&dekey=M%C3%BAra-Pirah%C3%A3+language&gwp=8&curtab=2222_1&sbid=lc05a
19:44 < mnemoc> http://www2.ignatius.edu/faculty/turner/worldlang.htm
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19:45 < mnemoc> uhm
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19:47 < rxr> re
19:47 < rxr> hm - 3.5 kde plastik themes looks a bit more windowish
19:47 < rxr> darn
19:48 < mnemoc> :)
19:48 < mnemoc> kde
19:48 < rxr> http://www.frappr.com/t2 does look the same in 3.5 ...
19:48 < rxr> mnemoc: nah - kde is not about windows ...
19:48 < LMJ> a .conf _MUST_  start with TIMESTAMP, BUILDTIME and SIZE ?
19:49 < mnemoc> LMJ: that is .cache, and it's generated
19:49 < LMJ> sorry
19:49 < mnemoc> LMJ: .conf is sh scripting
19:49 < LMJ> yes, .cache ?
19:49 < mnemoc> generated, ignore it
19:49 < LMJ> about [DEP] ?
19:50 < mnemoc> you can take the one at var/adm/cache/$pkg    and copy it to $confdir/$pkg.cache
19:50 < LMJ> ok good
19:50 < LMJ> gonna try something :-/ ;)
19:51 < rxr> Actually it is upon google to fix it. Go into konqueror's settings and add user agents for maps.google.com/local.google.com as a Safari agent. Oh, and don't forget to add a user agent for blogger.com as Firefox.
19:51 < rxr> ^- quote from kde people
19:52 < mnemoc> [15:17:41] <mnemoc> you will gets google maps supporting konqueror before konqueror supporting google maps :\
19:52 < mnemoc> [15:18:48] <rxr> who says so ?
19:52 < rxr> thanks allmighty ,-)
19:53 < mnemoc> :D
19:54 < rxr> hm - works only partially
19:54 < rxr> ah - nah!
19:54 < rxr> http://www.frappr.com/t2 <- does work now!!
19:54 < mnemoc> :D
19:54  * rxr wonders if I should be evil and include that defaults in any t2 install for the time beeing ,-) !!!
19:54 < mnemoc> can you patch-in maileragent on our konqueror?
19:55 < mnemoc> yes, do it :)
19:55 < karasz> but who is the spanish guy?
19:55 < mnemoc> not from irc
19:55 < rxr> karasz: mailing list maybe?
19:55 < rxr> I posted it there ...
19:55 < karasz> i see that
19:55  * karasz greppin' ML
19:56 < LMJ> brb dinner time
19:56 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: ! we need someone at USA
19:57 < karasz> not found in ML
19:58 < karasz> maybe is a silent guy ;)
19:59 < karasz> bot apetit SerWou
19:59 < LMJ> bon appetit ;)
19:59 < karasz> s/bot/bon
19:59 < karasz> :(
20:00 < karasz> didn't get that ML
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20:02 < rxr> mnemoc: patch maileragent what into konqueror ?
20:03 < mnemoc> rxr: default setting
20:03 < rxr> mnemoc: what mailer agent default setting of konqueror ?
20:04 < mnemoc> forget it 
20:04 < mnemoc> google people has to fix it :)
20:04 < rxr> mnemoc: you mean mail.google.com and such ?
20:04 < mnemoc> yes, but google people has to fix it
20:10 < rxr> Google Mail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience.
20:11 < mnemoc> o.o
20:12 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/hula_ipod.jpg
20:12 < rxr> mnemoc: do you want to know why kde rocks majorly? I saved this image via ssh file i/o from within konqueror out of my gmail account ...
20:13 < rxr> it is as easy as fish://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/home/public in your file chooser and you are done
20:13 < rxr> oh - forgot - file chooser is a word gtk+ users fear ,-)
20:13 < rxr> sorry ...
20:13 < mnemoc> :)
20:14 < rxr> with those 3 user-agent things gmail works in konqueror here - after looking up the password from the dusty corner
20:14 < rxr> maybe it worked before - did not try for a looooooooong time ...
20:14 < rxr> oh - subnotebook is at 5-glibc32 ...
20:15 < rxr> so after that major beast some tine noise will come and I could have the x86-64 image handy ...
20:16  * rxr hoping the kmail in 3.5 is a bit more stable ..
20:16 < rxr> though I heared kmail works well for other people - must be the 800++ MB of mail thru imap that is nagging on the code ...
20:16 < rxr> though thunderbird is unusable slow with that amount of data ...
20:16 < rxr> kmail only crashes every day or two ...
20:17 < mnemoc> :)
20:17 < rxr> and needs a restart when I lose my SSH tunnel for some strange lost connection reason I do not fully understand
20:17 < karasz> thunderbird is unusable with 800Mb?
20:17 < mnemoc> i have 4.5G of mail, and i use thunderbird ,-)
20:17  * karasz aproaching 1Gb
20:18 < rxr> off-size via IMAP ?
20:18 < rxr> (that was on a 800MHz iBook maybe it is faster on your number crunching boxes ,-)
20:18 < karasz> no IMAP here
20:18 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
20:19  * karasz wonders....
20:19 < mnemoc> but using server side (maildrop) filters
20:20 < rxr> mnemoc: I filter using exim built in filter rules ...
20:20 < rxr> no local filterin involved
20:22 < karasz> guys is it just me or the whole e-mail thing needs rethinking?
20:22 < karasz> i mean c'mon rfc's for mail are kinda old imho
20:22 < mnemoc> SPF sucks
20:23 < karasz> SPF?
20:23 < mnemoc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework
20:23 < mnemoc> the last 'rethought' for email
20:24 < karasz> nah
20:24 < karasz> i need a new one ;)
20:24 < karasz> that is even worster than SMTP
20:24 < karasz> worster?
20:24  * karasz needs to learn more english
20:25 < mnemoc> i hardly can breath.... it's too hot in here
20:27 < karasz> sfoooooooooo
20:27  * karasz is blowing cold air over mnemoc 
20:27 < karasz> :)
20:28 < mnemoc> thanks
20:28 < karasz> youre wellcome
20:28 < LMJ> back
20:29 < karasz> wb LMJ 
20:30 < karasz> misl, are you here?
20:32 < rxr> ok - the last monster in the 64bit build is building
20:32 < rxr> linux26
20:38 < rxr> mnemoc: around 0?C here ...
20:38 < rxr> also not that lovely ...
20:38  * rxr binding the turion laptop around the body ...
20:39 < LMJ> lol
20:43 < rxr> t2-trunk# diffstat package/x11/xorg/nsc-backport-R5.patch 
20:43 < rxr>  77 files changed, 28777 insertions(+), 492 deletions(-)
20:45 < mnemoc> o.o
20:45 < rxr> yeah - /me praying it comes up at the clients side of the world ...
20:46 < rxr> and builds .... before it sees the light of the silicon
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21:06 < misl> karasz: Yes I am here :)
21:06 < karasz> nah, i just needed a shoulder to land on
21:06 < karasz> but i used my own ;)
21:07 < rxr> conntrack_ftp: partial 227  4154288112+39
21:07 < rxr> ^- hm
21:07 < misl> you can have mine once in a while :) I have to of'em
21:07 < rxr> hi misl 
21:08 < misl> hi rxr
21:13 < madtux> Lord Minto.
21:16 < karasz> misl, i promise to behive
21:16 < karasz> even behave
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21:24 < misl> hi maddy :)
21:36 < rxr> damn - next month I have to track more detailed what I did for archivista
21:37 < rxr> svn log is way to less to write the bill :-(
21:38 < mnemoc> $$ per commit :p
21:38 < rxr> and I have to talk to them regarding the many phone calls ...
21:38 < rxr> some days we phoned more than I wrote code ...
21:38 < karasz> yeah, especialy -- removed blank lines... :)
21:39 < rxr> well - of course usually with consulting each phone call is $$$ / minute ...
21:46 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CD46B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
21:48 < MisterN> hi
21:48 < karasz> hello MisterN 
21:48 < mnemoc> hi MrN
21:49 < mnemoc> MisterN: are you a T2 user these days or not yet?
21:49 < MisterN> nah.
21:49 < MisterN> i wanted to test a T2 2.2 livecd first
21:49 < mnemoc> :)
21:51 < Stelz> :D
21:51 < Stelz> 2.1 ownz
21:52 < Stelz> hmm...
21:52 < Stelz> but! i found a very light & nice C++ ide
21:52 < Stelz> :D
21:52 < mnemoc> gvim?
21:52 < Stelz> >:(
21:52 < Stelz> mnemoc: nope :)
21:53 < Stelz> fldev
21:53 < mnemoc> anjuta?
21:53 < Stelz> very nice
21:53 < Stelz> nope
21:53 < Stelz> anjuta with f*cking gnome-libs
21:53 < Stelz> mnemoc: wait a min :)
21:53 < karasz> wiki now with PostgreSQL backend... :D
21:55 < karasz> hihi wikipgedia uh, oh
21:56 < Stelz> uh oh :)))
21:56 < MisterN> karasz: i never tested PostgreSQL but from what I read, it must be the best server-client database-thingie
21:56 < MisterN> which is opensource
21:56 < karasz> i use it for 5 years now...
21:57 < karasz> i dunno if it is the best but i am very satisfied
21:57 < karasz> imho is trhe best
21:58 < karasz> and regarding closed source i guess that only Oracle and DB2 come close
21:58 < rxr> cool!
21:58 < mnemoc> rxr: ?
21:58 < rxr> kde 3.5 has a way better icon for the konquerors page loading activity ,-)
22:00 < mnemoc> *G*
22:01  * Stelz pokes mnemoc
22:01 < Stelz> & everybody :)
22:01 < Stelz> http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1358-fldev.png
22:01 < Stelz> very fast & light c++ ide
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22:02  * mnemoc likes pida
22:02  * rxr wonders why the remote box went down ...
22:02 < karasz> in my opinion the only drawback of postgresql is that it uses SharedMemory
22:03 < Stelz> mnemoc: what do u think about it? :)
22:03 < rxr> wasn't mc the only IDE ;-)
22:03 < karasz> thou i almost got banned from #postgres saying that ;(
22:03 < Stelz> )
22:03 < Stelz> rxr: :))
22:04 < mnemoc> rxr: pida use embedded gvim :)
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22:05 < karasz> what the heck?
22:05 < karasz> `#T2 :[freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address`
22:05 < karasz> what's that?
22:05 < karasz> ^^
22:06 < mnemoc> freenode-info
22:06 < karasz> but i am the only one who accesses irc from my ip
22:07 < rxr> hm
22:08 < rxr> mnemoc: T2 system with 1TB database with 30% increase each year
22:08 < rxr> mnemoc: interested?
22:09 < rxr> that is what I have on my desk for some days now
22:09 < rxr> initially about 3TB storage is reasonable
22:09 < karasz> rxr which DB? I am just curious...
22:10 < mnemoc> rxr: o.o
22:10 < rxr> together with "the other software that should be running on it" it accumulates to a quite ammount of "value" those company would have to pay if we are part of the companies doing that ...
22:10 < rxr> karasz: I afraid, I fear "the other company" involved would like to use mysql ...
22:11 < rxr> though I have no idea if it scales into that TB region ...
22:11 < karasz> hmmm
22:11 < karasz> that depends on what is stored in the db
22:11 < mnemoc> .oO( what is rxr talking about? )o
22:11 < karasz> but i wouldn't feel confortable with it
22:11 < rxr> mnemoc: what question do you have ? ;-=
22:11 < rxr> ) even
22:12 < mnemoc> [18:08:58] <rxr> mnemoc: T2 system with 1TB database with 30% increase each year
22:12 < mnemoc> [18:09:04] <rxr> mnemoc: interested?
22:12 < karasz> at that scale ihmo the top 3 is DB2, Oracle and PostgreSQL
22:12 < mnemoc> ^---- what?
22:12  * karasz shuts up
22:12 < mnemoc> karasz: not what to you ,-)
22:12 < karasz> still
22:13 < rxr> mnemoc: t2 as basic techonlogy sold to them as reliable, secure, professional and so on OS ,-)
22:13 < rxr> including selecting the hardware comopnents and software layers asn in drive-mapper, whatever, filesystem (TB range) ... and making sure it scales that werll
22:14 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: ???
22:14 < mnemoc> rxr: s/sysvinit/runit/g :)
22:14 < rxr> obviously most likely more multi CPU opteron stuff ...
22:14 < rxr> mnemoc: I fear the sytem currently does use syvinit ...
22:15 < mnemoc> rxr: sure, they do. but that doesn't change it's /sucking level/
22:15 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: http://www.frappr.com/t2
22:15 < rxr> see query why this can not change overnight ...
22:15 < rxr> though we could port the existing base to something saner than sysvinit at some point ...
22:16 < rxr> ok - just what bigger stuff is in my inbox ...
22:16 < mnemoc> :)
22:17 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: *lol*
22:17 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: interested? :)
22:18 < _Ragnar_> in what?
22:18 < mnemoc> adding yourself to T2 map
22:19 < _Ragnar_> oh
22:19 < _Ragnar_> why not;)
22:20 < karasz> guys if anybody needs some advice related to DB's in general or pgsql in particular, do not hesitate to shoot
22:20 < rxr> karasz: I'm not an everyday DB user
22:21 < rxr> I only did some MySQL replication consulting work because they already had MySQL ...
22:21 < karasz> not that i am an expert
22:21 < mnemoc> karasz: we agree PG is the best OS DBMS
22:21 < karasz> but i use them gor several years and hit some walls in my time
22:21 < karasz> maybe the best available now
22:21 < karasz> it has it's drawbacks
22:22 < karasz> i use pg but i am not a blind zealot ;)
22:23 < karasz> and i do not mind spendig money on db licences
22:23 < karasz> just that i don't have any db to worth it
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22:24 < karasz> anyway rxr if it matters beware of MySQL on multiple Opterons
22:24  * rxr now choose colors for kde that do not make me feel like in windows ...
22:26 < rxr> linphone 1.2.0 
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22:46 < CIA-9> rene * r14029 /trunk/target/generic/pkgsel/00-minimal.in: 
22:46 < CIA-9> * fixed 00-minimal pkgsel template to correctly enable glibc32
22:46 < CIA-9>  depending on the arch default
22:46 < CIA-9> rene * r14030 /trunk/target/install/build_stage2.sh: * removed debug du execution from install/build_stage2.sh
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23:02  * Xenos is away: sleep..
23:02 < Xenos> 'night all & cu today..
23:02  * Xenos Date/Time is now [ Tue Dec 20 01:01:15 ]
23:02  * Xenos dropped to bed..
23:08 < karasz> mnemoc, around?
23:08 < mnemoc> karasz: 
23:09 < karasz> Bernardo Cordova rings a bell?
23:11 < mnemoc> nope
23:11 < mnemoc> i don't know any 'cordova'
23:12 < mnemoc> just the .ar city :)
23:12 < mnemoc> and .es city
23:12 < karasz> hmm at first sight it seemed funny, but now that i read the whole strory it is quite sad
23:12 < mnemoc> ?
23:13 < karasz> this guy lives in Rancagua
23:13 < karasz> last xmas he was arrested because dressed in Santa he blocked the bridge
23:13 < mnemoc> o.o
23:13 < karasz> with an autoadhesive tape :)
23:14 < mnemoc> O_o
23:14 < karasz> this part is funny, but
23:14 < karasz> the reason why he did it it is not funny
23:15 < karasz> he tried to draw attention to an old homeless man, who lives there too
23:15 < karasz> as i said the title was funny: `Santa arrested in Rancangua, Chile`
23:15 < karasz> but the story turns out sad in the end ;(
23:16 < rxr> wee - wee - /me might right now get the first proof of concept fan control patch for the dual core g5 ...
23:16 < mnemoc> i have never heard of something like that
23:16 < karasz> is there another Rancangua in Chile?
23:17 < mnemoc> nope, just one
23:17 < karasz> how many bridges do you have there?
23:19 < mnemoc> just one, on the south
23:19 < karasz> so that it is
23:20 < mnemoc> o.o
23:21 < mnemoc> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=rancagua&ll=-34.193914,-70.753670&sll=37.062500,-95.677068&spn=0.048560,0.122798&sspn=25.149508,66.181641&t=h&hl=en <--- _the_ bridge
23:21 < rxr> minimal64 finishedf
23:22 < mnemoc> rxr: self-installable?
23:22 < karasz> so the story is from your town
23:22 < karasz> but i only have it in romanian
23:24 < rxr> mnemoc: not yet the auto decisions we talked about
23:24 < rxr> your ack came to late - I converted to C code to shell already ...
23:24 < rxr> the auto cd-detect and stage selection needs to wait for the next iterator of editing and testing the files
23:25 < rxr> e.g. when I test / fix network installation
23:33 < MisterN> n8
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23:37 < valentin> mnemoc: i have a waterball of 20cm diameter with earth texture. even this one shows rancagua, so it must be an important city :)
23:38 < mnemoc> :D
23:38  * mnemoc proud of his city!
23:40 < rxr> good that I have not yet migrated my server to the geode
23:41 < mnemoc> ?
23:41 < rxr> so my dhcp / tftp setup is know to work - to finally{} load a fan-control kernel on the mac ...
23:41 < mnemoc> udhcp rules
23:41 < mnemoc> isc sucks!
23:41 < mnemoc> isc sucks!
23:41 < mnemoc> isc sucks!
23:41  * rxr counting the seconds while cross compiling kernel lines scroll by ,-)
23:42 < rxr> mnemoc: ack ack - the next time I promisse I'll use those
23:42 < rxr> the last time I wanted s.th. where I cut'n paste the example config from the net and have it running ..
23:42 < rxr> hm - valentin and susan have my apple keyboards ...
23:42 < rxr> time to get a third one ..
23:43 < mnemoc> :)
23:43  * rxr wonders why h*ll on earth people carry all those transparently / white keyboards away and then morron that they slip around on the desk ...
23:44  * rxr hoping the PowerMac will not become schizo with a 1998 Cherry USB tastatur and feel like pie sea ...
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23:58 < rxr> so - the moment has come
23:58  * rxr toggling to dvi and thus the mac - cu soon
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