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00:00 < CIA-9> aldas * r13949 /trunk/package/kde/kmymoney/ (kmymoney.desc uic.patch): 
00:00 < CIA-9> * updated kmymoney (0.7.4 -> 0.8.1)
00:00 < CIA-9> * added kmymoney/uic.patch <- uic 3.3.5 issue
00:32 < CIA-9> aldas * r13950 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.3.11 -> 2.3.13)
00:43 < CIA-9> aldas * r13951 /trunk/package/network/irssi/irssi.desc: * updated irssi (0.8.10-rc7 -> 0.8.10)
00:53 < MisterN> n8i
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01:03 < CIA-9> aldas * r13952 /trunk/package/network/lftp/lftp.desc: * updated lftp (3.3.3 -> 3.3.5)
01:26 < CIA-9> aldas * r13953 /trunk/package/network/ntop/ntop.desc: * updated ntop (3.1 -> 3.2)
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01:51 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
01:51 [Users #t2]
01:51 [@ChanServ ] [ CIA-9 ] [ kristian] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sepp    ] 
01:51 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw  ] [ LMJ     ] [ mtr_  ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 
01:51 [ Baldzius ] [ karasz] [ madtux  ] [ nzg   ] [ rxr_] [ VX      ] 
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01:53 < CIA-9> aldas * r13954 /trunk/package/audio/libmusicbrainz/libmusicbrainz.desc: * updated libmusicbrainz (2.1.1 -> 2.1.2)
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04:56 < CIA-9> amery * r13955 /trunk/package/base/nssdb/ (libdb4.patch nssdb.conf): * fixed nssdb hack to find libdb3.a on bdb3's libdir, instead of hardcoded /usr/lib (for 64bit archs)
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05:16 < CIA-9> amery * r13956 /branches/2.1/package/base/nssdb/ (libdb4.patch nssdb.conf): * merged 13955 from trunk: fixed nssdb hack to find libdb3.a on bdb3's libdir, instead of hardcoded /usr/lib
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10:16 < rxr_> re
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10:32 < rxr> hi VX 
10:32 < VX> hello, rxr 
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10:40 < CIA-9> rene * r13957 /trunk/package/graphic/gle-graphics/gle-graphics.desc: * updated gle-graphics (4.0.9 -> 4.0.11)
10:41 < CIA-9> rene * r13958 /trunk/package/gnome2/glibmm/glibmm.desc: * updated glibmm (2.8.2 -> 2.8.3)
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11:00 < CIA-9> rene * r13959 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkmm/gtkmm.desc: * updated gtkmm (2.8.1 -> 2.8.2)
11:00 < CIA-9> rene * r13960 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtkhtml/gtkhtml.desc: * updated gtkhtml (3.9.2 -> 3.9.3)
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11:18 < rxr> mnemoc: t2-2.1# svn up
11:18 < rxr> A    package/java/eclipse
11:18 < rxr> ?
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11:20 < mtr> moin
11:21 < rxr> moin mtr 
11:22 < mtr> hi rxr 
11:22 < Baldzius> good morning rxr, mtr
11:23 < mtr> moin Baldzius 
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11:29 < CIA-9> mtr * r13961 /trunk/package/x11/nvidia/nvidia.desc: * updated nvidia (1.0-7676 -> 1.0-8174)
11:29 < rxr> mnemoc: you broke 2.1 on lib64 platforms ...
11:36 < CIA-9> mtr * r13962 /trunk/package/multimedia/vdr/vdr.desc: 
11:36 < CIA-9> * updated vdr (1.3.36 -> 1.3.37)
11:36 < CIA-9> * updated plugins: femon, softdevice, bitstreamout, burn
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11:40 < CIA-9> rene * r13963 /branches/2.1/package/base/nssdb/ (libdb4.patch nssdb.conf): 
11:40 < CIA-9> * fixed nssdb to not only build on lib64 platforms, but to actually
11:40 < CIA-9>  also work and not render the system unusable by undefined symbols
11:40 < CIA-9> aldas * r13964 /trunk/package/gnome2/libxklavier/libxklavier.desc: * updated libxklavier (2.0 -> 2.1)
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11:47 < rxr> moin jsaw 
12:02 < CIA-9> rene * r13965 /branches/2.1/package/e16/eterm16/eterm16.conf: 
12:02 < CIA-9> * fixed eterm16 for x86-64 and cross builds by overriding /proc/cpuinfo
12:02 < CIA-9>  based MMX detection
12:03 < rxr> mnemoc: I think we just disable wine on x86-64 for now
12:03 < rxr> mnemoc: 6-gettext fails due java here on my hammer, is that know?
12:04 < CIA-9> aldas * r13966 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.2.1 -> 4.2.2)
12:16 < rxr> Baldzius: oh - with libxklaviert you need to take attention
12:17 < rxr> it often breaks whole a lot of gnome
12:17 < CIA-9> rene * r13967 /trunk/package/e16/eterm16/eterm16.conf: 
12:17 < CIA-9> * merged r13965 from branches/2.1: fixed eterm16 for x86-64 and cross
12:17 < CIA-9>  builds by overriding /proc/cpuinfo based MMX detection
12:18 < Baldzius> rxr: i tried gnome-control with it, looks fine
12:18 < CIA-9> aldas * r13968 /trunk/package/multimedia/vlc/vlc.desc: * updated vlc (0.8.4 -> 0.8.4a)
12:20 < rxr> Baldzius: I'll start a fresh reference build then, soon
12:21 < CIA-9> rene * r13969 /trunk/package/base/nssdb/ (libdb4.patch nssdb.conf): 
12:21 < CIA-9> * merged r13963 from branches/2.1: fixed nssdb to not only build on
12:21 < CIA-9>  lib64 platforms, but to actually also work and not render the
12:21 < CIA-9>  system unusable by undefined symbols
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12:38 < Baldzius> rxr: gnome-applets also compiles
12:38 < Baldzius> guess it should be ok
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13:16 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
13:16 [Users #t2]
13:16 [@ChanServ] [ CIA-9   ] [ jsaw    ] [ LMJ   ] [ mtr] [ rxr] 
13:16 [ _Ragnar_] [ geekitus] [ kristian] [ mnemoc] [ owl] [ VX ] 
13:16 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
13:16 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug  8 21:15:33 2004
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14:28 < mnemoc> moin!
14:29  * mnemoc wonders why has he received more ICQ requests these 4 days than on 10 years having the account
14:34 < mnemoc> rxr: while i sleep i thought about solving nssdb how you did on 13963
14:35 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think about a massive libtool injection? or using a flag?
14:56 < mnemoc> rxr: linux-mips-2.6.12-cvs.tar.gz still missing on gsmp
15:03 < rxr> hi
15:03 < rxr> mnemoc: still here?
15:03 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - flag would be nice
15:04 < rxr> I can do
15:04 < mnemoc> gcc -g -O2 -o makedb makedb.o db-compat.o  -L/usr/lib64 -ldb-3
15:04 < mnemoc> gcc: db-compat.o: No such file or directory
15:04 < mnemoc> make[2]: *** [makedb] Error 1
15:04 < mnemoc> ^---- nssdb :(
15:04 < rxr> built here fine
15:04 < rxr> on x86-64
15:04 < rxr> let's do other stuff first
15:05 < mnemoc> paralelism i guess
15:06 < rxr> mnemoc: see querry
15:06 < rxr> -r
15:06 < rxr> query
15:08 < mnemoc> -o .libs/db-compat.o
15:16 < mnemoc> uhm.... nvidia driver was updated... now t2 2.2 doesn't support old nvidia (tnt) cards :(
15:17 < mnemoc> mtr: are you aware of the difference between 70 and 80 nvidia branches?
15:20 < CIA-9> amery * r13970 /branches/2.1/package/mail/mess822/mess822.conf: * merged 13927 from trunk: fixed mess822 to do install it's files
15:28 < mnemoc> CIA-9: !!
15:30 < rxr> mnemoc: !!!
15:30 < rxr> query
15:33 < rxr> mnemoc: you read that I need _urgently_ a note from you ?
15:41 < mnemoc> yes, it was paralelism, on the second run it passed
15:44 < rxr> mnemoc: !
15:44 < rxr> your package now missed the opst
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15:44 < rxr> since in 15 minutes I'll not be there ...
15:44 < CIA-9> aldas * r13971 /trunk/package/dictionary/dictd/dictd.desc: * updated dictd (1.10.0 -> 1.10.4)
15:45 < rxr> mnemoc: but can you post your address in the query non-the-less so I can place it readyly near to door to get it there ASAP ...
15:45 < rxr> maybe I find a post open after 16 o'clock on a saturday - but I doubt
15:45 < rxr> and, btw, morfoh did not show up today yet - and again not reachable - though we wanted to package some parts as well - strange world
15:49 < rxr> mnemoc: with what are you busy right now ?
15:50 < CIA-9> aldas * r13972 /trunk/package/security/shorewall/shorewall.desc: * updated shorewall (2.4.5 -> 3.0.3)
15:56 < CIA-9> aldas * r13973 /trunk/package/audio/sox/sox.desc: * updated sox (12.17.8 -> 12.17.9)
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16:03 < karasz> .query karasz
16:13 < rxr> mnemoc: still around ?
16:13 < mnemoc> yes
16:15 < rxr> you saw the query ?
16:16 < mnemoc> * rxr shortly off - back in a minute <--- this query?
16:16 < rxr> yes
16:17 < rxr> with a lot text underneath ?
16:17 < mnemoc> no text underneath
16:17 < rxr> wtf
16:17 < mnemoc> just that single line
16:17 < rxr> 15:30 < rxr> mnemoc: !!!
16:17 < rxr> 15:30 < rxr> query
16:18 < rxr> 15:44 < rxr> mnemoc: !
16:18 < rxr> 15:44 < rxr> your package now missed the opst
16:18 < rxr> in this channel also
16:18 < mnemoc> :(
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16:31 < karasz> moin all
16:32 < mnemoc> moin karasz 
16:32 < karasz> hello mnemoc 
16:33 < karasz> for what it worth there are people out there who cares for you ;)
16:33 < mnemoc> uhm?
16:34 < karasz> i just wanted to say that, if you don't get it just let it be, nevermind
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16:38 < mnemoc> i get it... but unexpected
16:38 < mnemoc> :)
16:40 < misl> hi folks :)
16:40 < mnemoc> hi misl 
16:40 < misl> hi mnemoc :)
16:43 < karasz> hi minto
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17:10 < mnemoc> karasz: :)
17:10 < karasz> damn i am struggelin' with my ISP
17:10 < karasz> i guess i will buy a shotgun
17:11 < karasz> just in case,, you never know
17:11 < mnemoc> all ISP around the world, suck
17:11 < karasz> let's make a pol 
17:11 < mnemoc> like polititians.... a fact of life :)
17:11 < karasz> the difference is which sucks more
17:11 < karasz> ack
17:11 < karasz> i fact very ack
17:12 < karasz> thou politicians suck more imho
17:12 < mnemoc> :)
17:13 < karasz> but every jungle has its parasites
17:13 < mnemoc> what parasites there are there?
17:14 < karasz> ?
17:15 < karasz> the difference between ISP and politicians is thet ISP's are symbiots, politicians are parasites
17:15 < karasz> they all suck your blood, but some of them (ISPs) give something back ;)
17:16 < mnemoc> :)
17:19 < CIA-9> aldas * r13974 /trunk/package/network/mldonkey/mldonkey.desc: * updated mldonkey (2.6.7 -> 2.7.1)
17:24 < karasz> is there any way to set your country in the info about yourself?
17:24 < mnemoc> where?
17:24 < karasz> now i use xchat
17:24 < karasz> but i guess that country is identified from your host name
17:25 < mnemoc> your ip gives your country
17:25 < mnemoc> yes
17:25 < karasz> i have an ip as hostname so that's it i guess
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17:31 < mnemoc> hi vixen
17:31 < VEXation> mnemoc: :)
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17:40 < karasz> mnemoc, can you query me, just for testing...
17:44 < karasz> man i like xchat
17:45 < mnemoc> i like irssi :)
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17:46  * Xenos pokes karasz
17:47 < Xenos> i like xchat too
17:47 < Xenos> :>
17:47 < Xenos> hi, karasz, mnemoc 
17:47 < mnemoc> hi vixen-alterego
17:47 < Xenos> mnemoc: :)
17:48 < karasz> ouch
17:48 < karasz> hello Xenos 
17:50 < Xenos> karasz: what style of music do u prefer?
17:50 < Xenos> :)
17:50 < karasz> hmmm... i don't see the connection between my irc client preferences and the music i listen to
17:50 < karasz> hard to say
17:51 < Xenos> )))
17:51 < Xenos> karasz: just a question
17:51 < karasz> right now i am in a Control Machete state
17:51 < karasz> and i mix it with Keith Jarret
17:52 < karasz> add a pinch of gnr
17:52 < karasz> few drops of nirvana
17:52 < karasz> stir it up with ac/dc
17:52 < karasz> and shake it very wel
17:52 < karasz> even well
17:52 < karasz> there you go 
17:53 < karasz> you got a musical mix in karasz's style :)
17:53 < Xenos> "_"
17:53 < Xenos> :))))
17:53 < Xenos> heh
17:53 < Xenos> & i prefer hard trance..
17:54 < mnemoc> Xenos: your desktop speaks for you
17:54 < Xenos> :)
17:55 < Xenos> heh
17:55 < Xenos> german trance is the best, i think :)
17:55 < karasz> yes nice desktop
17:55 < Xenos> cosmicgate-music.de
17:55 < Xenos> dumonde.de
17:55 < Xenos> :)
17:55 < Xenos> etc.
17:55 < karasz> but mnemoc i think people of our age are compulsed to use more clearer desktops ;)
17:56 < Xenos> :)
17:56 < Xenos> karasz: "_"
17:56 < mnemoc> karasz: i can't see Xenos' font :(
17:56 < karasz> don't laugh Xenos, you will get there too in some years ;)
17:57 < Xenos> karasz: i don't think so
17:57 < karasz> neither do I mnemoc 
17:57 < mnemoc> :) i'm not the only one :)
17:57 < Xenos> :) me too :)
17:58 < karasz> Xenos, we'll talk about it in a few years, OK?
17:58 < mnemoc> o.o
17:58 < Xenos> karasz: kk :)
17:58 < Xenos> :) mnemoc? :)
17:58 < karasz> btw how old are you Xenos ?
17:58 < Xenos> 17
17:58 < Xenos> :D
17:58 < mnemoc> 10 less than 1
17:58 < mnemoc> i
17:59  * karasz changes nick to grandpa'
17:59 < Xenos> )
17:59 < Xenos> lol
17:59 < mnemoc> karasz: age?
17:59 < karasz> 31
17:59 < mnemoc> karasz: children?
17:59 < Xenos> :)
17:59 < karasz> yup, over the hump ;)
17:59 < karasz> nope mnemoc 
17:59 < mnemoc> i have 2 daughters ,-)
17:59 < karasz> i know ;)
18:00 < Xenos> !
18:00 < Xenos> i found some nice forum
18:00 < mnemoc> so, i'll be grandpa' before you :)
18:00 < karasz> certanly
18:00 < Xenos> forum engine, i mean
18:00 < Xenos> )
18:00 < Xenos> php+sqlite :)
18:00 < Xenos> mnemoc: not python :)
18:00  * Xenos hates python
18:00 < Xenos> :)
18:00  * mnemoc hates php
18:01 < Xenos> )))))0
18:01  * karasz hates haters ;)
18:01 < Xenos> :)))
18:02 < mnemoc> TAL rules.... and with TAL you can use perl, python, or any language 
18:02 < Xenos> :/
18:02 < mnemoc> perl+TAL >> php
18:03 < mnemoc> stupid bloated language :\
18:03 < Xenos> :/
18:04 < karasz> bbl
18:04 < Xenos> bye, karasz 
18:04 < mnemoc> Xenos: we know you like bloat :)
18:04 < Xenos> :) mnemoc: ? :)
18:06 < mnemoc> desktop and music at least :)
18:07 < Xenos> hmmm..
18:08 < mnemoc> i don't tolerate trance for more than 2 minutes
18:08 < Xenos> :/
18:09 < Xenos> :\
18:09 < mnemoc> just too much :)
18:09 < Xenos>  /me listens it 24h/7d
18:09 < Xenos> )
18:09 < mnemoc> :)
18:10 < Xenos> anytime
18:10 < Xenos> anywhere
18:10 < Xenos> )
18:10 < Xenos> hmm
18:11 < Xenos> my irc-server is growing up!)
18:11 < Xenos> Username list matching *, limit 100
18:11 < Xenos>   [NICK] RealJhad lala Panda Shlyapa TomTom nightmare BoozyWoozy MadFile human antohasd n4meLess SuiNag Vanger69 redhool46 Frisket [Deacon] Knight rAHbI4 krastos DeadMopoZZ bigdi HaMster Nyu Alex Jax ice ReaSoN Sajuuk mordo Svoy` shiz Xenos osch Kolyanoid pikachu NeRv FL MiMiK L 
18:18 < Xenos> mnemoc
18:18 < Xenos> what do u think about zope?
18:18 < Xenos> :)
18:18 < mnemoc> i like it
18:18 < mnemoc> and i want to learn zope3 one day
18:19 < Xenos> :D
18:20 < mnemoc> why?
18:21  * Xenos pokes mnemoc
18:21 < Xenos> http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1282-dunno.png
18:21 < Xenos> :)
18:22 < Xenos> for my ftp-collection..
18:30 < mnemoc> it's packaged on t2
18:34 < Xenos> but i want to find another..
18:34 < Xenos> :/
18:34 < Xenos> powered by php&sqlite
18:34 < Xenos> do u know any?
18:49 < mnemoc> nope
18:56 < Xenos> mnemoc: & by python?:)
18:57 < mnemoc> neither
18:57 < mnemoc> plone has one quite good
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18:59 < Xenos> :)
19:00 < misl> hey Super Vixen :)
19:01 < mnemoc> *G*
19:03 < Xenos> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd
19:03 < Xenos> hi, misl 
19:03 < misl> :)
19:03  * Xenos is waiting for..
19:04 < Xenos> gimp 2.2.10
19:04 < Xenos> proftpd 1.3
19:04 < Xenos> audacity 1.3
19:04 < misl> Xenos: who are you waiting for :)
19:04 < Xenos> )
19:04 < Xenos> & amule 2.1
19:04 < Xenos> !
19:05 < Xenos> & i'll never download anything
19:05 < Xenos> for 2-3 years :)
19:05 < rxr> re
19:05 < Xenos> hello, rxr !
19:06 < misl> hey rxr
19:06 < Xenos> trance nation 2002 coming soon from emule:)
19:07 < misl> Xenos: give them a hand and they will finish sooner :)
19:07 < Xenos> )
19:07 < misl> or later, depends on your contribution :D
19:07 < Xenos> ))
19:07 < Xenos> i see
19:07 < Xenos> heh
19:08 < Xenos> any trancers here? :)
19:08 < mnemoc> you
19:08 < mnemoc> and vixen
19:08 < Xenos> i know
19:08 < Xenos> )
19:08 < Xenos> mnemoc: no more vixen
19:09 < mnemoc> vixen died?
19:09 < Xenos> dead
19:09 < Xenos> )
19:09 < mnemoc> poor guy, he was quite friendly
19:09 < Xenos> :)
19:09 < Xenos> x-chat ownz
19:10  * Xenos pokes Xenos
19:11 < Xenos> wooops..
19:49 -!- MisterN [n=MrN@p549CFCA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
19:58 < karasz> re
20:03 < MisterN> i must greet..
20:03 < MisterN> hi
20:05 < mnemoc> good you remebered
20:05 < mnemoc> hi MrN
20:05 < misl> hi MinterN :)
20:07 < mnemoc> # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg desktop
20:07 < mnemoc> Error logs from desktop-2.1-stable-x86-64-desktop:
20:07 < mnemoc> [5] kde/kdemultimedia                   [5] emulators/wine [5] database/bdb-java                   [5] database/bdb33-java [6] base/gettext
20:07 < mnemoc> 679 builds total, 674 completed fine, 5 with errors.
20:07 < mnemoc> misl: jar is giving odd errors (3 of 5)
20:09 < misl> mnemoc: I can take a look
20:10 < mnemoc> thanks :)
20:10 < mnemoc> /mnt/space/mnemoc/t2-2.1
20:11 < CIA-9> amery * r13975 /trunk/package/gnustep/sope/ (. sope.conf sope.desc): * added sope (4.4.0) - SKYRiX (SOPE) Application Server
20:11 < misl> Uhmm, mnemoc? might this be to noisy not being a fully 64 bits environment?
20:12 < mnemoc> misl: inside chroot it is a fully 64 bits env
20:12 < misl> ack
20:13 < rxr> mnemoc: I get wine and kdemultimeda here as well - and 6-gettext (or 7-?) fails due java ..
20:14 < mnemoc> bdb{,33}-java and gettext fail due to 'jar'
20:15 < misl> mnemoc: are you sure kaffe fully supports 64 bits?
20:16 < misl> dalibor over at #kaffe asked me to have a look at 64 bits support
20:18 < rxr> misl: jsaw said he and his family would come to a dev-meeting in the netherlands as well
20:18 < misl> :) kewl
20:18 < CIA-9> amery * r13976 /trunk/package/office/ogo/ (. ogo.conf ogo.desc): * added ogo (1.0beta.2-rock) - OpenGroupware.org - open source groupware server
20:18 < misl> I guess we need to rent a second house then
20:19 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe rename ofo and ooo to the full, more verbose names ?
20:20 < rxr> misl: oh you want to make it "that big" ,-)? .o(we have a good tent ,-)
20:20 < mnemoc> rxr: i used the named their authors use for them
20:20 < _Ragnar_> ooh
20:20 < mnemoc> rxr: because openoffice.org and opengroupware.org is a bit large for a package :p
20:20 < rxr> look at the xorg font packages ,-)
20:20 < _Ragnar_> what do I have to do to get a recent trunk kernel to boot on an older 2.6.12 system (e.g. udev-wise)
20:20 < rxr> we have other even longer names ,-)
20:21 < mnemoc> ok, i'll rename ogo
20:21 < rxr> but well - working packages are prefered over none anyway ,-)
20:23  * _Ragnar_ looks around
20:23 < rxr> _Ragnar_: do you want the initrd to use u/dev or not ?
20:23  * mnemoc needs a shower
20:23 < mnemoc> cold shower
20:23 < mnemoc> or pool.... yes a pool would be nice
20:23 < rxr> mnemoc: does your wife likes cooler wether as well ?
20:24  * karasz ;) invites mnemoc -8C here
20:24  * misl thinks rxr want to invite mnemoc to the t2 party :)
20:24 < karasz> i am sure we could find a pool too
20:24 < karasz> but we have to break the ice thou...
20:25 < mnemoc> rxr: not really :\
20:25 < rxr> ok - germany is only a bit cooler than chile ,-)
20:26 < mnemoc> :)
20:26 < mnemoc> a bit
20:26 < _Ragnar_> rxr: no initrd if it can be avoided
20:26 < rxr> _Ragnar_: well - trunk kernel is fully modular
20:26 < _Ragnar_> I'm booting without atm
20:26 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: initrd is the core of t2 2.2
20:26 < rxr> if you tweak the kernel config to include what you need you need no initr5d
20:26 < _Ragnar_> yea I got a linux.cfg that has all the options I need
20:27 < rxr> but modular kernel with perfect hardware detection is the killer feature of 2.2 - thus the total modularization
20:27 < misl> rxr: I am not sure I am allowed to put tents in my garden.
20:27 < _Ragnar_> this is a soekris and cutting out all the unnecessary modules saves half the build time ;)
20:27 < rxr> misl: maybe announce the dev meeting to the mailing list - just to be open
20:27 < karasz> rxr when we should expect 2.2?
20:27 < mnemoc> karasz: beta for xmas
20:27 < karasz> when it will be ready i guess... ;)
20:28 < rxr> though we do not expect too many other people - but, well you never know?
20:28 < karasz> ?
20:28 < rxr> karasz: functional alpha, beta around x-mas
20:28 < karasz> yup
20:28 < _Ragnar_> tent at these temperaturs? *brrrrr*
20:28 < karasz> but i made a koke there...
20:28 < karasz> s/koke/joke
20:28 < rxr> _Ragnar_: not yet - dev-hackery is next year when the sun comes out ,-)
20:28 < karasz> `when it will be ready` slogan
20:28 < _Ragnar_> O_O
20:29 < mnemoc> you have sun-less winters??
20:29 < _Ragnar_> =)
20:29 < rxr> mnemoc: nah ,-)
20:29 < mnemoc> :)
20:29 < rxr> mnemoc: you have to be upper north for that ... ,-)
20:29 < mnemoc> yes, that's what i thought
20:29 < rxr> sun here from 8 or so till - maybe 16 o'clock right now ...
20:29 < rxr> jsut a guess ...
20:29 < _Ragnar_> so what else do I have to do so that init finds it's first console?
20:29 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ah - that is your issue
20:30 < rxr> well - do you want u/dev managing /dev or static nodes or devfs ?
20:30 < rxr> if you want udev, just put udevstart in /etc/inittab or so
20:30 < rxr> or just static nodes in /dev, that is easy anyway
20:31 < _Ragnar_> thought devfs isn't an option any more in 2.6.14.2 ?
20:31 < rxr> I think it is just hidden but still there
20:31 < karasz> rxr the install script around xmas as well?
20:31 < rxr> karasz: for the livecd maybe not, but of course the usual install target will be functional again
20:31 < _Ragnar_> oh ok O_O I'll look then:)
20:31 < rxr> right now working on that - see commit and list nodes
20:32 < rxr> _Ragnar_: but it might be gone soon, like .16 or .17 - you never know right now
20:32 < _Ragnar_> yea :/
20:32 < _Ragnar_> well I try static nodes first
20:32 < _Ragnar_> and see how that works out
20:32 < _Ragnar_> even tho that seems like a step back into stone age
20:33 < CIA-9> amery * r13977 /trunk/package/office/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * renamed ogo to opengroup on master core architect request
20:33 < mnemoc> ^---- yeah yeah, single commit, yeah yeah
20:34 < rxr> ,-)
20:34 < mnemoc> s/opengroup/opengroupware/ :(
20:34 < _Ragnar_> anyway, bbl, going out for a beer =)
20:34 < rxr> _Ragnar_: have fun
20:34 < _Ragnar_> thanks same to you
20:34 < misl> cu _Ragnar_ (bring me one too :)
20:34  * _Ragnar_ dccs misl a beer.
20:35 < misl> :)
20:35 < misl> hikkup
20:54 < rxr> 409 files transfered.
20:54 < rxr> 11M     .
20:54 < rxr> new 2nd_stage creation
20:54 < rxr> but still not finished ...
20:56 < rxr> ah - that looks better
20:56 < rxr> 2833 files transfered.
20:56 < rxr> 119M    .
20:57 < rxr> ok - now it needs to shrink
21:03 -!- dalibor [n=topic@p54A56D0C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
21:03 < mnemoc> dalibor! welcome
21:03 < dalibor> heya
21:04 < karasz> hi dalibor 
21:04 < dalibor> hi mnemoc heya karasz
21:05 < karasz> heya?
21:05 < mnemoc> hello
21:05 < mnemoc> i think :p
21:05 < karasz> i know that but where is it used?
21:06 < karasz> it sounds like a regionalism...
21:06 < mnemoc> dalibor: why do we have the pleasure of your visit?
21:06 < misl> mnemoc: I guess I am to blame :)
21:06 < misl> mnemoc: Can we put the build logs somewhere for dalibor to see?
21:08 < misl> My other box died a while ago. Now I only have noisy.
21:09 < dalibor> karasz: i have no idea ... i believe it is a canadian thing. not that i am canadian, anyway.
21:10 < karasz> sounds like Harlem to me
21:10  * dalibor promises to switch to "g'day mates!" for a while
21:11  * karasz feels Australia in the air ;)
21:11 < dalibor> at least that's a regionalism I can locate fairly well ;)
21:14 < karasz> dalibor, Australia?
21:14 < dalibor> yup. 
21:15 < karasz> ohhh warm places....
21:15  * dalibor spent a few months there studying
21:15 < dalibor> beats germany by a few degrees, yeah ;)
21:16 < karasz> germany now is warmer than here...
21:16 < dalibor> right, I assume the continental winter has set in again
21:17 < karasz> yup
21:17  * karasz hates cold weather
21:17  * dalibor does not mind cold wather as long as he can stay inside.
21:18 < dalibor> and the inside is warm.
21:18 < karasz> nevertheless
21:18 < dalibor> in general, though ... I prefer my summers between 30 and 40 C, and my winters between 10 and 20 ;)
21:18 < mnemoc> misl: it's your box, you know hot to publish from there
21:18 < dalibor> now just to find a place that fits the description ... ;)
21:18 < karasz> where do you live dalibor ?
21:19 < dalibor> right now, germany. german french border, near luxembourg.
21:19 < mnemoc> dalibor: we have similar weather
21:19 < karasz> :(
21:19 < karasz> not too warm either
21:19 < dalibor> yup.
21:19 < dalibor> lacks snow, too.
21:19 < mnemoc> dalibor: my on winter we touch 0 about 5-10 times
21:20  * karasz must find an island where is allways between 20-35C
21:20  * mnemoc prefer 15-20 :)
21:21  * karasz looks around for an icepick, wants to open door :(
21:21 < dalibor> ;(
21:26 < karasz> good i found an  flame thrower
21:26 < mnemoc> o.o
21:26 < karasz> what?
21:27 < karasz> why do you look at me mnemoc ?
21:27 < mnemoc> i'm just not used to that 'picture'
21:27 < karasz> which one?
21:28 < mnemoc> people using a flame thrower to open doors
21:28 < karasz> :D
21:28 < karasz> it is very handy, you know?
21:28 < karasz> fire it twice and the ice melts...
21:29 < mnemoc> and the door gets black at least
21:29 < karasz> it is not wood...
21:29 < karasz> metal and glass
21:29 < mnemoc> :)
21:29 < karasz> thou i have some emotions with the glass
21:30 < karasz> i heard some suspect cracks while i used the thrower....
21:30 < mnemoc> uhm
21:30 < mnemoc> not good
21:30 < karasz> i guess not
21:30 < karasz> but i got tired of the icepick
21:31 < mnemoc> hot water?
21:31 < karasz> nah, too wet
21:31 < dalibor> a bit of uranium?
21:31 < karasz> and in time it forms more ice
21:31 < karasz> dalibor, :)
21:32 < dalibor> safe, clean ... ;)
21:32 < karasz> i like being like i am, not very found of being green and throwing a halo around...
21:33 < karasz> but at least i save on the electric bill
21:33 < karasz> i make my own light... :D
21:33  * misl pictures karasz as a glow in the dark :)
21:33 < karasz> and how do i look minto?
21:33 < misl> glowing :D
21:34 -!- karasz is now known as The_Hulk
21:34 < The_Hulk> :D
21:35 < dalibor> haha
21:35 < misl> lol
21:36 -!- The_Hulk is now known as karasz
21:41 < owl> *g* hi karasz 
21:41 < karasz> oh, hello owl
21:43 < mnemoc> dalibor: btw, this is misl's error (kaffe 1.1.6/amd64) http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/z6jVja94.html
21:44 < mnemoc> and running with JAVA_OPTS=-verbose,  http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/U0uQky25.html
21:44 < dalibor> woah .. the NPE is evil(TM)
21:45 < dalibor> is that a multi-core amd64 box, or single core?
21:45 < mnemoc> misl: ?
21:45 < misl> yepp
21:45 < mnemoc> .oO( what is yepp? )o
21:45 < misl> dalibor: dual opteron single core
21:46 < dalibor> ok, thanks. I'll go and find me one at the institute
21:46 < misl> yepp = like 'yes' I am here :D
21:46 < mnemoc> :)
22:07 < rxr> re
22:28 < CIA-9> amery * r13978 /trunk/package/gnustep/sope/sope.conf: * improved sope package to build and install mod_ngobjweb if apache is available
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22:46 < valentin> re
22:46 < mnemoc> wb valentin 
22:46 < valentin> hm, why are there 20 nautilus processes running on my machine ?
22:46 < valentin> esp. cause i use kde ?
22:47 < CIA-9> rene * r13979 /trunk/target/install/ (build_initrd.sh build_stage2.sh): 
22:47 < CIA-9> * the latest install/ code, though not too much time today, starts
22:47 < CIA-9>  to setup a useful 2nd_stage
22:47 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2
22:47 < mnemoc> wb vixen-murderer
22:47 < Xenos> ))))))))))))))
22:47 < Xenos> mnemoc: ...
22:48 < Xenos> thar's fine
22:48 < Xenos> but i'll go to sleep
22:48 < rxr> we have curl and wget on the 2nd stage ...
22:48 < Xenos> *that's
22:48 < rxr> a bit overfeatured
22:48 < rxr> is mordern curl enough? I think yes so
22:48 < Xenos> 'night all, guys
22:49  * Xenos is away: sweet dreams, i hope..
22:49 < CIA-9> rene * r13980 /trunk/target/install/build_stage2.sh: * removed wget from the 2nd_stage, we have curl
22:49 < rxr> so - my girl is already gone to bed - cu tomorrow, early
22:50 < mnemoc> sleep well Xenos 
22:50 < mnemoc> sleep well xrx
22:50 < mnemoc> rxr*
22:50 < misl> sleep well vixen and rxr
22:51 < misl> It is about time for me to hit the sheets as well.
22:51 < misl> sleep well all
22:51 < dalibor> nite misl, ad thanks for the bug reports
22:51 < mnemoc> dalibor: any news about eclipse issues?
22:51 < misl> dalibor: your welcome :)
22:52 < misl> mnemoc: you made me stick around a bit longer :D
22:52 < dalibor> mnemoc: guilhem is looking at why it is taking so long, and I'll be looking later at the amd64 faulures ;)
22:52 < misl> I am curious too
22:52 < mnemoc> misl: go to sleep
22:52 < dalibor> yup
22:52 < misl> yes master :)
22:53 < mnemoc> dalibor: :)
22:53 -!- misl [n=chatzill@cc478814-d.mp1.dr.home.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"]
22:54 < mnemoc> dalibor: i feel it's just a couple of bottlenecks coded on java instead of C ,-)
22:55 < dalibor> hehe
22:55  * dalibor proudly helps propagate the meme that java is slow, being a C developer ;)
22:55 < mnemoc> :D
22:56 < mnemoc> i just mean for bottlenecks :)
22:57 < dalibor> yeah, it's probably something really stupid.
22:58 < mnemoc> i tried to find it, really..... but too many lines of unknown code for me
22:59 < dalibor> no problem
23:00 < dalibor> we'll get it fixed, eventually. I am just trying to get rid of a single warning today that's spamming my build logs ... ;)
23:00 < mnemoc> :)
23:17 < rxr> hm
23:17 < rxr> not my time yet ... ,-)
23:19 < karasz> cu all on monday i guess
23:19 < rxr> cu karasz 
23:20 < mnemoc> *yawn*
23:20 < karasz> mnemoc, you should go to sleep too
23:21  * karasz sends everybody to sleep, is that normal behaviour?
23:21  * dalibor falls over and starts snoring
23:22 < mnemoc> my day at office ends in 38 minutes :)  then i bike home for about 30 minutes under.... 32°C + direct sun :\
23:22 < karasz> so you get home beaten...
23:22 < mnemoc> directly to the shower :)
23:23 < karasz> that's another reason to sleep a little
23:23 < karasz> ;)
23:23  * karasz should leave that habbit of sending people to bed
23:23 < mnemoc> :)
23:23 < karasz> anyway good whatever you are planning to do guys and owlites ;)
23:24 < mnemoc> owl forgot us
23:25 < owl> hm?
23:25 < rxr> hey owl 
23:25 < owl> hi rxr 
23:25 < mnemoc> hi owl :)
23:26 < owl> hi mnemoc ;)
23:30 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. still here?
23:30 < rxr> think so - 30min left -)
23:30 < rxr> ,-) even
23:30 < rxr> I asked some days ago whether we should try to auto-mount the cd-rom on install as in livecd
23:30 < rxr> and only show the shell if this fails?
23:30 < rxr> this would simplify t2 install even further for "dummies" ,-9
23:31 < mnemoc> hehe
23:31 < rxr> and we could automatically select the 2nd-state (non small) if more then 64MB RAM or so ...
23:31 < rxr> maybe better starting from 128 just in case?
23:31 < rxr> would you ack that or don't think this is usefu ?
23:31 < mnemoc> yes
23:31 < rxr> +l
23:31 < mnemoc> useless interactivityness
23:32 < mnemoc> >= 128, normal
23:32 < mnemoc> else, small
23:33 < rxr> ack
23:33 < CIA-9> rene * r13981 /trunk/target/install/build_stage2.sh: 
23:33 < CIA-9> * next installer rewrite iteration, create a normal and small 2nd
23:33 < CIA-9>  stage - the normal one is now also compressed with -9 and the
23:33 < CIA-9>  2nd uses the generic link_identical_files function instead of
23:33 < CIA-9>  custom hackery
23:34 < rxr> 11351655 Dec 17 23:27 2nd_stage.tar.gz 1917130 Dec 17 23:27 2nd_stage_small.tar.gz
23:34 < mnemoc> and expanded?
23:35 < mnemoc> how much was it before?
23:35 < rxr> 26M     2nd_stage
23:35 < rxr> 4.1M    2nd_stage_small
23:35 < rxr> I have no real before numbers for trunk ...
23:35 < mnemoc> :D
23:35 < rxr> broken since over half a year ...
23:35 < rxr> I have a ROCK CD in my CD-ROM
23:35 < rxr> 2.0.0-rc1, there it was:
23:36 < rxr> 18663117 Dec 17 22:15 2nd_stage.tar.gz
23:36 < rxr>  1445504 Dec 17 22:15 2nd_stage_small.tar.gz
23:36 < mnemoc> # du -sh 2nd_stage/ 2nd_stage_small/
23:36 < mnemoc> 53M     2nd_stage/
23:36 < mnemoc> 2.6M    2nd_stage_small/
23:36 < rxr> thoug these 2nd stages do not contain kernel modules, the big ones even includes openssl/openssh
23:37 < mnemoc> 19M     2nd_stage.tar.gz
23:37 < mnemoc> 1.1M    2nd_stage_small.tar.gz
23:37 < mnemoc> ^--- 2.1.1
23:37 < rxr> you can be sure I'll review every file at the end to finally get perfect images
23:37 < mnemoc> yes, the kernel we lot bigger
23:37 < mnemoc> s/we/was/
23:38 < rxr> right now the trunk one even removes some directories 2.1 did not that my eye spot scrolling thru
23:38 < rxr> I'll report when they start to pass thru in qemu
23:38 < rxr> right now only pieces are reviewed to work - the big picture will follow
23:38 < mnemoc> don't forget dm-mod :)
23:39 < mnemoc> for lvm
23:39 < rxr> ack
23:42 < rxr> hm - we could also create the normal image the way we create the small one
23:42 < rxr> that would also remove a lot of unneeded files
23:42 < rxr> anyway - I continue the review, porting, polishing and then we'll see what else we do
23:43 < mnemoc> :)
23:50 < CIA-9> rene * r13982 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/ (hwscan.awk sysfiles.conf): * removed hwscan, NOTE: the stone hardware module needs to be cleaned up as well
23:51 < mnemoc> poor hwscan
23:51  * rxr removing statically coded filenames from the old linuxrc
23:51 < rxr> btw. now named init ,-)
23:52 < mnemoc> .oO( who wants named? )o
23:52 < rxr> hehe
23:53 < mnemoc> my mantra is "stay away from microsoft and ISC"
23:53 < rxr> yep ,-)
23:54 < rxr> (though I run named ...)
23:54 < mnemoc> :)
23:54 < mnemoc> you are gaining karma
23:54 < rxr> locally only
23:54 < mnemoc> dnscache, much better choice
23:54 < rxr> is it a real nameserver?
23:55 < rxr> I do not only cache
23:55 < mnemoc> tinydns is
23:55 < mnemoc> dnscache is just a recursive resolver
23:55 < mnemoc> but you could use pdns, which reads bind zone, and doesn't suck
23:56 < mnemoc> zones*
23:57 < mnemoc> but i don't change djbdns for nothing :)
23:57 < mnemoc> anything*
23:57 < rxr> hehe
23:58 < rxr> but I never change a running system ,-)
23:59 < mnemoc> :)
23:59 < mnemoc> time to move home...
23:59 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
23:59 < mnemoc> cu rene
23:59 < rxr> greetings to the family
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