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01:37 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
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02:05 < kristian> moin
02:20 < demian> hi kristian 
02:20 < demian> i go, bye
02:20 < kristian> bye demian 
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10:16 < kristian> the udev package of debian sucks. how can thay forget to initialize the ptys after installation...
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11:16 < valentin> moin
11:16 < valentin> http://www.swox.com/gmp/32vs64.html
11:17 < valentin> ^-- well, big integer arithmetics only... no wonder 64 bit outperforms 32 bit usermode
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11:54 < SerWou> hello guys
11:55 < SerWou> i would like to know your opinion why Firefox 1.5 won't compile on my fresh t2 2.1 stable
11:56 < SerWou> here is the last 80 lines of the 9-firefox.err   http://pastebin.com/465048
12:01 < VX> SerWou: try to run a firefox binary & probably u'll see an error :)
12:03 < SerWou> what do you mean ?
12:03 < SerWou> i have Firefox 1.0.7 who is running now
12:04 < SerWou> i would like to upgrade to 1.5
12:04 < VX> yep, i see
12:04 < VX> but
12:04 < VX> ls /usr/lib/libstdc*
12:04 < VX> :)
12:04 < VX> show me the output
12:04 < SerWou> i download the whole stuff here http://www.t2-project.org/packages/firefox.html
12:04 < SerWou> ok, give me a sec
12:05 < SerWou> ls /usr/lib/libstdc*
12:05 < SerWou> /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5  /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6  /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6.0.3
12:05 < VX> hah
12:05 < SerWou> missing something ?
12:05 < VX> /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 <- this is a link, yeah? :)
12:05 < VX> u created it manually, yeah? :)
12:06 < SerWou> yes
12:06 < SerWou> a bad one i did :-/
12:06 < VX> :)
12:06 < SerWou> gooood
12:06 < VX> i think, that is a problem
12:06  * VX made this link too :)
12:06 < SerWou> yes, certainly 
12:06 < SerWou> OK
12:06 < SerWou> for OOo actually
12:06 < SerWou> :-/
12:07 < SerWou> did you get that problem fixed ?
12:07 < VX> no
12:07 < kristian> why would you create this link manually?
12:07 < VX> i just use a precompiled firefox 1.5 binary :)
12:08 < SerWou> :-/
12:08 < VX> & all is ok for me
12:08 < VX> no other way :/
12:08 < VX> kristian: hi
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12:09 < SerWou> i would like to get it compiled since 1.0.7 was compiled during the creatin of my target t2 2 months ago
12:09 < Xenos> kristian: dunno, maybe some errs there
12:10 < Xenos> but firefox says that 6.0.3 is an incorrect version of libstdc++
12:10 < SerWou> what that crap is doing
12:11 < SerWou> could you give me the line number where you located the error at http://pastebin.com/465048  please
12:13 < Xenos> ?
12:13 < Xenos> hmm
12:13 < SerWou> ho, you haven't saw it in the log file ?
12:14 < Xenos> nope
12:14 < Xenos> i didn't remember
12:14 < SerWou> ha ok
12:17 < SerWou> thanks, bbl, i will ask again to see if someone fixed it
12:17 < SerWou> see you later guys
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12:47 < rxr> re
12:50 < Xenos> hlo, rxr 
12:52 < rxr> valentin: are you around?
12:52 < rxr> valentin: I called you some minutes++ ago
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13:12 < CIA-9> sebastian * r13889 /trunk/package/graphic/enblend/enblend.desc: * updated enblend (2.4 -> 2.5)
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13:44 < madtux> hi
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13:49 < rxr> moin miguel
13:50 < madtux> hello rene.
13:52 < rxr> madtux: how are things?
13:53 < madtux> good. tons of work lately.. but thats fine I'm having fun at it.
13:53 < madtux> how about you?
14:05 < rxr> oh - fine thanks
14:05 < rxr> tough susan has some networking problem with her new geode ..
14:05 < rxr> have to go there shortly ...
14:07 < rxr> Linux 2.6.14.4
14:23 < kristian> and rc5 :-)
14:25 < kristian> oops, since one wwek already? - why am i using rc4?
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14:47 < demian> hi
14:50 < kristian> hi
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15:02 < mnemoc> moin!
15:03 < demian> mnemoc.
15:03 < mnemoc> hi demian 
15:33 < karasz> moin all
15:39 < rxr> re
15:39 < mnemoc> wb rxr@geode
15:39 < mnemoc> moin karasz 
15:39 < rxr> mnemoc: @{athlon,turion}
15:40 < mnemoc> problem at susan' solved?
15:40 < rxr> yep - the rj-45 network socket had a munched pin ... :-(
15:41 < rxr> unknown why it was scratched, may e el-cheapo cable or so ...
15:42  * rxr wonders when the Octane spare parts will arrive ...
15:43 < rxr> r13669 | amery | 2005-11-30 00:18:21 +0100 (Wed, 30 Nov 2005) | 2 lines
15:43 < rxr> * updated firefox (1.0.7 -> 1.5)
15:43 < rxr> mnemoc: without adapting patches ?
15:43 < rxr> Hunk #1 FAILED at 320.
15:43 < mnemoc> yep, just to force it to be on 2.2
15:43 < rxr> mnemoc: you are evil
15:44  * mnemoc hides
15:44 < rxr> why did I got a de-es course for you today ... :-((
15:44 < mnemoc> :D
15:44 < rxr> just joking - I patch the patch
15:44 < mnemoc> because you are not like me :D 
15:44 < karasz> mnemoc: do you want to learn german?
15:45 < mnemoc> karasz: yes
15:45 < karasz> good luck
15:45 < rxr> mnemoc: on the hurd lecture some days ago one I handed my card to immediatly replied: "Nice, can I send my resume?" ...
15:45 < mnemoc> :)
15:45 < karasz> i gave it up after the 5th atempt :(
15:45 < mnemoc> karasz: :(
15:46 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - and I'll do a T2 talk where the Hurd talk was - in April 2006
15:46 < rxr> (they have a filled program 'till then=
15:46 < rxr> =
15:46 < rxr> ) even
15:46 < karasz> my partner speacks german so i wasn't that interested....
15:46 < mnemoc> .oO( 2006?? .... the days fly )o
15:47 < rxr> yep
15:47 < rxr> mnemoc: need go get 2.2-beta out soon
15:47 < mnemoc> karasz: what's your commercial target? east, west, or just there?
15:47 < mnemoc> rxr: amd64@2.1?
15:47 < karasz> mnemoc: ?
15:47 < rxr> mnemoc: today is t2 patch day - firefox, 2.1 on my turion and then initrd for 2.2 installer
15:48 < mnemoc> rxr: :D
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15:49 < mnemoc> karasz: you said your partner speacks german so you don't care much, so do you point to have business with germany?
15:49 < karasz> not right now
15:50 < mnemoc> karasz: you are in the middle of two world, one on the east and one on the west (and over you :-)
15:50 < demian> poor germany btw.. 
15:50 < karasz> now i just try to consolidate my position here, maybe next year, but not in germany
15:50 < karasz> i need emerging economies to grow
15:50 < mnemoc> karasz: that's what i mean by 'just there'
15:50 < karasz> i am thinking abt asia or south america
15:50 < demian> karasz: where are u from?
15:50 < karasz> demian: Romania
15:51 < mnemoc> karasz: if you want to invest in south america, here i am :)
15:51 < demian> cool. never talked with a romanian, that i remember.
15:51 < karasz> mnemoc: do you know any accountants there?
15:52 < demian> karasz: maybe central america, i will be here ath this seat.
15:52 < mnemoc> karasz: accountants = people doing accountability?
15:52 < karasz> demian: i know nothing about things in Central America
15:52 < karasz> mnemoc: yup
15:52 < rxr> demian: why poor germany ?
15:52 < mnemoc> karasz: yes, a few
15:53 < karasz> bookkeepers
15:53 < LMJ> good afternoon
15:53 < karasz> mnemoc: and how is the economy there?
15:53 < demian> rxr: they will be defeated in the first match in the 2006wwc against us.
15:54 < demian> aftnoon mnemoc 
15:54 < mnemoc> karasz: about central america you only need to know .mx is the big guy, .cu is 'the enemy', .pr and .cr are american colonies, and the rest are too poor.
15:54 < demian> s/mnemoc/LMJ
15:54 < karasz> mnemoc: cu?
15:54 < mnemoc> cuba
15:54 < karasz> the other i figured out
15:54 < LMJ> moin karasz 
15:54 < karasz> aham
15:54 < demian> !!!
15:55 < mnemoc> puerto rico and costa rica (demian's)
15:55 < karasz> bonjour LMJ 
15:55 < mnemoc> karasz: we just signed a free trade agreement with china! :)
15:55 < demian> american colonies..
15:56 < karasz> anyways i was planing an business trip to mx just to check things out :)
15:56 < demian> karasz: what are u interested in? what kind of deals ?
15:56 < karasz> demian: i sell business software
15:57 < mnemoc> karasz: .mx is beatyfull, big and rich, but poverty is amazingly high
15:58 < mnemoc> karasz: so 'walking' there makes you cry
15:58 < demian> karasz: are u just a seller or da u work for a particular software company ?
15:58 < karasz> demian: i am not just a seller
15:59 < karasz> mnemoc: ack, know that
15:59 < demian> karasz: so, when u come over here, please take note of our software testing enterprise ;-)
15:59 < karasz> demian: my business resembles somehow the T2 philosophy
15:59 < mnemoc> what's the  T2 philosophy?
15:59 < karasz> demian: over where?
16:00 < karasz> mnemoc: SDE
16:00 < demian> karasz: dot c r
16:00 < mnemoc> the bastard state :)
16:00 < karasz> i heard that cr is very beautifull...
16:00 < demian> karasz: if there are ppl like me.. yes it is.
16:00 < mnemoc> at least .pr is recognized as U.S. son :)
16:01 < karasz> and it is very apleasing since now i have about 15 centigrades outside... :(
16:01 < karasz> ups
16:01 < karasz> s/15/-5
16:01 < mnemoc> 32°C here
16:01 < karasz> don't push it mnemoc 
16:02 < karasz> i might just ring on your door someday... :)
16:02 < demian> rxr: did u come to cr? some time ago i heard u were interested to come. dunno if u did it.
16:02 < mnemoc> you are welcome ,-)
16:02 < LMJ> 5°C here ;)
16:02 < demian> where are u from LMJ ?
16:02 < karasz> thx mnemoc 
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16:02 < mnemoc> wb serwou
16:03 < mnemoc> wb geekitus__ 
16:03 < LMJ> France
16:03 < LMJ> south of France
16:03 < LMJ> how are you mnemoc ?
16:03 < karasz> mnemoc: we'll drink a `cafe con piedras` together
16:03 < demian> cafe con piedras?
16:03 < rxr> aroudn 5?C here as well
16:03 < mnemoc> LMJ: stunned with the hot :\
16:03 < geekitus__> hi
16:03 < geekitus__> LMJ, north of france for me
16:04 < LMJ> hehe; Toulouse here ;)
16:04 < mnemoc> karasz: what do you mean by coffee with stones?
16:04 < geekitus__> LMJ, rennes for me 
16:04 < karasz> misspelled, sorry
16:06  * mnemoc would kill to live on one of those historic cities
16:07 < rxr> mnemoc: Berlin good enough? 
16:08 < mnemoc> rxr: of course
16:09 < karasz> mnemoc: when was your citi built?
16:09 < karasz> s/citi/city
16:09 < demian> i prefer desertic and not so much populated places. while less buldings better.
16:10 < karasz> demian: move to Nevada :)
16:10 < demian> neither cold places..
16:10 < karasz> Nevada is not cold...
16:11 < karasz> maybe a little poluted by A bombs but not cold...
16:11 < mnemoc> karasz: 1580
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: so - count the days then ,-)
16:11 < demian> ah tyhe city.. i though u meant it as a concept, not the city.
16:11 < karasz> mnemoc: and that is not historical enough?
16:12 < karasz> then i think that only Rome or Athen can help yopu out...:)
16:12 < mnemoc> karasz: years don't give history per se
16:12 < karasz> mnemoc: i guess that i am too shellow for you today ;)
16:12 < mnemoc> rxr: .oO
16:13 < mnemoc> karasz: it was founded but as a camp.
16:13 < rxr> mnemoc: .oO?
16:14 < mnemoc> rxr: you can't imagine what that means to me
16:14 < karasz> mnemoc: replace cafe con piedras with `Café con Piernas`
16:14 < mnemoc> karasz: hehe
16:14 < karasz> Oradea was founded in the 1500's aswell
16:15 < karasz> it was a castle..
16:15 < karasz> and the city grew around it
16:15 < karasz> but now it looks like it was in the 1700's
16:16 < karasz> see mnemoc i told you that you have coffee there, but you didn't wanted to belive me... ;)
16:16 < rxr> mnemoc: I thought you want to, not that you fear ... ?
16:16 < mnemoc> karasz: http://www.rancagua.cl/galeria.htm
16:16 < mnemoc> rxr: both :p
16:17 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm a coward
16:18 < karasz> mnemoc: http://horea.fotopic.net/c392544.html
16:18 < karasz> they were taken by a friend of mine...
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16:19 < LMJ> question time :-/
16:19 < LMJ> got a problem to compile Firefox 1.5 on my Fresh t2 2.1 stable  : http://pastebin.com/465277
16:20 < mnemoc> LMJ: firefox 1.5 on trunk is not yet ready
16:20 < LMJ> Xenos  told me it's a   "/usr/lib/libstdc++" something problem
16:20 < mnemoc> LMJ: #
16:20 < mnemoc> LMJ: patching file gfx/src/ps/nsFontMetricsPS.h
16:20 < mnemoc> #
16:20 < mnemoc> Hunk #1 FAILED at 320.
16:20 < mnemoc> #
16:20 < mnemoc> Hunk #2 succeeded at 493 with fuzz 2 (offset 130 lines).
16:20 < mnemoc> #
16:20 < mnemoc> 1 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file gfx/src/ps/nsFontMetricsPS.h.rej
16:20 < mnemoc> damn paste
16:20 < rxr> patch in a minute
16:21 < rxr> LMJ: you emerge from trunk, right ?
16:21 < LMJ> yes mnemoc, i'm impatient ;)
16:21 < LMJ> i took this one : http://www.t2-project.org/packages/firefox.html
16:21 < LMJ> so, yes, i think so
16:22 < LMJ> the 7 files
16:22 < CIA-9> rene * r13890 /trunk/package/www/firefox/ (freetype.patch gcc-4.0.patch startpage.patch): * rediffed firefox patches for firefox-1.5
16:22 < rxr> LMJ: wait one more minute
16:22 < mnemoc> LMJ: don't fetch files, get a working copy
16:22 < rxr> still fails somewhere else
16:22 < LMJ> i can wait 2 more min if you need
16:22 < rxr> on 2.1 you also must rm the freetype patch btw. otherwise it will fail later on
16:22 < LMJ> ;)
16:23 < mnemoc> karasz: http://www.rancagua.cl/galeriaok/rgua18.jpg <--- this is my city hall :)
16:23 < karasz> :(
16:23 < karasz> looks new
16:23 < mnemoc> karasz: do you see what i mean by historic?
16:23 < karasz> yup
16:24 < karasz> but what heppened to the old buildings?
16:24 < mnemoc> http://www.rancagua.cl/galeriaok/rgua5.jpg <--- this is the most historic building on the entire state
16:24 < karasz> damn typos...
16:24 < mnemoc> http://www.rancagua.cl/galeriaok/rgua8.jpg <-- our old buildings
16:25 < karasz> ours in barely managed to escape the 80's
16:25 < mnemoc> http://www.rancagua.cl/galeriaok/rgua15.jpg <-- and our bigger building
16:26 < karasz> we were in luck because we are at some 700KM from the capital
16:27 < LMJ> i found some pictures of toulouse for you guys ;) http://www.cs.nyu.edu/~naz/toulouse1.htm
16:27 < mnemoc> that's a point in favor of my country, we have never had big wars
16:27 < karasz> i wasn't talkin' about wars
16:27 < mnemoc> ^_^
16:27 < karasz> in the 80's there wern't any wars here
16:28 < mnemoc> what happened?
16:28 < mnemoc> i only know where romania is
16:28 < karasz> it was a mad plan of the old comunist party that destroyed all the old buildings and replaced them with new box shapped ones
16:28 < mnemoc> o.o
16:28 < mnemoc> ehm
16:28 < karasz> the capital was almost thered down entirely
16:29 < karasz> only a few cities and even fewer vilages escaped
16:29 < mnemoc> stupid comunists
16:29 < karasz> mainly in the west, where Oradea is sited
16:29 < karasz> in 50 years they changed the look of my country
16:30 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/photos/dsc00161.jpg
16:30 < rxr> ^- berlin
16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: that's a classic :)
16:30 < rxr> taken with my cell some weeka ago ,_)
16:31 < LMJ> nice sun :-D
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16:31 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/photos/dsc00145.jpg
16:32 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/photos/dsc00148.jpg
16:32 < rxr> ^- new holocaust memorial
16:32 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/photos/dsc00153.jpg
16:32 < rxr> ^- dito
16:32  * mnemoc having odd feelings.... envy, admiration, illusion
16:33 < mnemoc> what that memorial structure suppose to mean?
16:33 < mnemoc> graves?
16:33  * karasz liked the old look better, he is sad now as cities doesn't look romanian now
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16:34 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/photos/dsc00181.jpg
16:34 < mnemoc> karasz: did you save your culture, or it's gone with the buildings?
16:34 < rxr> ^- berlin @night @x-mas
16:34  * karasz says that there are cities that you can move anywhere in the world they match everywhere now
16:34 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea, exactly ...
16:34 < karasz> mnemoc: culture is in the people
16:35 < mnemoc> karasz: politics can kill culture
16:35 < karasz> although intelectuals were prosecuted aswell, culture was in the most part saved
16:35 < mnemoc> supress more than kill
16:35 < karasz> there were odd times then
16:35 < karasz> although i was quite young to understand things
16:35 < mnemoc> rxr: i have heard there is no 'new year' like berlin's
16:36 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/photos/imgp0150.jpg
16:36 < rxr> ^- the Kurf?rstendamm in the center where the KaDeWe shopping mall is
16:37 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/photos/imgp0152.jpg
16:37 < rxr> ^- the subway station at the same location
16:38 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/photos/imgp0146.jpg
16:38 < rxr> ^- there I got the KaDeWe
16:38 < owl> moin
16:38 < mnemoc> wb owl 
16:39 < karasz> moin owl 
16:39 < owl> hiu mnemoc , karasz 
16:39 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/photos/imgp0164.jpg
16:40 < rxr> ^- this arc is some gift from france ...
16:40 < mnemoc> gift?
16:40 < rxr> from jaques chirac
16:41 < mnemoc> ic
16:41 < mnemoc> quite large
16:41 < rxr> from 1987 due to 750 years of berlin celebration at that time
16:41 < LMJ> i didn't knew that ;)
16:41 < mnemoc> means something?
16:41 < rxr> mnemoc: just expensive art ,-)
16:42 < mnemoc> :)
16:42 < rxr> LMJ: me also not until I read the sign at the place ,-)
16:42 < LMJ> hehe
16:42 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/photos/imgp0163.jpg
16:42 < rxr> ^- the sign
16:42 < LMJ> too much culture at the same time
16:42 < mnemoc> after years asking 'what the f* is this monster' :)
16:43 < rxr> ARC DE 124.5?
16:44 < rxr> LMJ: firefox now seems to build for me ,-)
16:44 < rxr> just copy the latested files or so
16:44 < rxr> and remove the freetype*.patch if you build in 2.1 ,-)
16:44 < LMJ> ok
16:45 < rxr> I can not yet promisse it builds thru ...
16:45 < rxr> just builds since 20 minutes ...
16:45 < LMJ> them from here : http://www.t2-project.org/packages/firefox.html
16:46 < mnemoc> LMJ: get a working copy, don't fetch the files from the matrix
16:46 < rxr> the page is not updated on-the-fly
16:46 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/photos/a-nice-sunset.jpg
16:46 < rxr> ^- sundown hannover
16:46 < mnemoc> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk /usr/src/t2-trunk
16:46 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/www/firefox/
16:47 < rxr> ^- or grab from here if you "need" to
16:47 < mnemoc> he doesn't need.... he is been lazy :)
16:47 < LMJ> yes
16:47 < mnemoc> rxr: i have sundown's like that here too :)
16:47 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/ffii-demo-2003/d0010414.jpg
16:47 < rxr> ^- berlin patent office ...
16:48 < mnemoc> hehe
16:48 < mnemoc> with mr. rebe breaking some windows
16:48 < rxr> nope - only w-lan ,-)
16:48 < mnemoc> :)
16:48 < LMJ> yes, i saw him launch a rock
16:48  * Xenos is away: ...
16:48 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/ffii-demo-2003/d0010419.jpg
16:48 < rxr> ^- also the police was watching us ,-)
16:49 < rxr> ok - back to work
16:49 < mnemoc> LMJ: talking about launching rocks, how is france these days?
16:49 < LMJ> hehe
16:49  * rxr needs to sort, copy and scan more photos ,-)
16:49 < LMJ> no problem since a month or so
16:49 < LMJ> it was SO mediatic
16:49 < LMJ> very pontual in france, located in small aera
16:50 < mnemoc> LMJ: good to know :)
16:50 < LMJ> the USA made a lot of propaganda about that
16:50 < karasz> i think that the media fuss was bigger that the issue itself
16:50 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/photos/imgp0997.jpg
16:51 < rxr> ^- the new buildings @ the Potsdammer Platz
16:51 < karasz> i have a friend of mine which was in France at that time (Paris) he said that except the number of
16:51 < karasz> policeman there was not a sign that something is wrong
16:53 < LMJ> i was also in Paris
16:54 < LMJ> there are more policemen against terrorists then for those troubles
16:54 < rxr> http://www-rnks.informatik.tu-cottbus.de/icnp2004/images/berlin/max/potsdamer-platz-nachts_c_btm-koch_6872.jpg
16:54 < rxr> ^- and @night but not form me ,-)
16:56 < mnemoc> i though you took that with your cell too :p
16:56 < rxr> mnemoc: the big pics from my side have also not been with my cell - those are from a Pentax digicam ...
16:57 < rxr> everything over 2 MegaPixel and less noise isn't my cell
16:58 < rxr> mnemoc: and, what do you think about those pictures ?
17:01 < mnemoc> think in what sense?
17:01 < rxr> still like it ?
17:01 < mnemoc> are you kidding right?
17:04 < mnemoc> those pictures all of you have showed get me out of breath
17:04 < rxr> uh oh
17:05 < rxr> yeah - well, we have aplan ,-)
17:05 < mnemoc> kill me showing pictures?
17:06 < rxr> nah - the other .plan ,-)
17:06 < mnemoc> :)
17:17 < rxr> == 12/15/05 17:15:28 =[9]=> Aborted building package firefox.
17:18 < rxr> nsNegotiateAuthFactory.cpp:94:2: error: #error "missing implementation"
17:18 < rxr> huh????
17:18 < rxr> but 2.1/binutlis should now bootstrap with gcc-4.0
17:18 < LMJ> rxr : firefox seems to compile ;)
17:20 < rxr> LMJ: errored out after quite some time here - me investigating
17:20 < mnemoc> .oO
17:20 < LMJ> ahaaaaaaaaah
17:20  * LMJ give some extra investigating power
17:20 < LMJ> to rxr
17:21 < rxr> --- scripts/Check-System        (revision 13841)
17:21 < rxr> +++ scripts/Check-System        (working copy)
17:21 < rxr> @@ -103,7 +103,7 @@
17:21 < rxr>  case $BASH_VERSION in
17:21 < rxr>    2.05b*) ;;
17:21 < rxr> -  3.0*) ;;
17:21 < rxr> +  3.*) ;;
17:22 < CIA-9> rene * r13891 /trunk/scripts/Check-System: * allow bash 3.1 in Check-System
17:22 < rxr> mnemoc: do you or should I merge into 2.1 ? -^
17:23 < mnemoc> ok
17:24 < mnemoc> i do
17:27 < rxr> == 12/15/05 17:25:02 =[0]=> Finished building package binutils.
17:27 < mnemoc> turion?
17:27 < rxr> ack
17:27 < rxr> 2.1
17:28 < mnemoc> :D
17:35 < rxr> in stage 1 now
17:38 < rxr> LMJ: if firefox fails on your side, this might help:
17:38 < rxr> --- package/www/firefox/firefox.conf    (revision 13886)
17:38 < rxr> +++ package/www/firefox/firefox.conf    (working copy)
17:38 < rxr> @@ -27,7 +27,8 @@
17:38 < rxr> ac_add_options --disable-mailnews ac_add_options --disable-composer
17:38 < rxr> -ac_add_options --enable-extensions=cookie,xml-rpc,xmlextras,pref,transformiix,webservices,negotiateauth
17:38 < rxr> +ac_add_options --enable-extensions=cookie,xml-rpc,xmlextras,pref,transformiix,webservices
17:38 < rxr> +# ,negotiateauth ac_add_options --enable-mathml ac_add_options --enable-crypto ac_add_options --enable-module=psm
17:38  * rxr rebuliding
17:41 < rxr> ouhm - f*ck f*ck f*ck
17:41 < rxr> again my laptop went out of battery ...
17:42 < rxr> I continously forget to plug in the power supply of the turion ..
17:42 < rxr> with the iBook it at least felt asleep in that case ...
17:42 < rxr> not to mention for some strange reason I did not forgot the power supply on the iBook that often - strange
17:44 < CIA-9> rene * r13892 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.conf: 
17:44 < CIA-9> * fixed firefox build by changing negotiateauth to auth - according to
17:44 < CIA-9>  mozilla bugzilla it was renamed recently
17:48  * Xenos is back (gone 00:59:52)
17:51 < CIA-9> amery * r13893 /branches/2.1/scripts/Check-System: * merged 13891 from trunk: allow bash 3.1 in Check-System
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18:10 < Baldzius> moin :)
18:10 < rxr> moin Baldzius 
18:10 < CIA-9> rene * r13894 /branches/2.1/package/base/binutils/gcc-4.0.patch: 
18:10 < CIA-9> * fixed binutils for gcc-4.0, since we want to be able to bootstrap
18:10 < CIA-9>  2.1-stable on newer systems
18:10 < Baldzius> hi rxr
18:12 < LMJ> Firefox is still compiling after 1h10
18:13 < rxr> yeah - big package ...
18:13 < LMJ> poor XP2500+ here ;)
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18:14 < rxr> same here
18:15 < mnemoc> poor turion? :)
18:22 < rxr> nope it is faster ,-)
18:26 < mnemoc> rxr: 13894 <--- thanks
18:31 < karasz> bye
18:31 < karasz> cu tommorow
18:45 < CIA-9> rene * r13895 /trunk/target/livecd/ (init2 rootfs/sbin/init.d/system): 
18:45 < CIA-9> * further simplified live-cd overlay setup by not using /tmp/live-overlay
18:45 < CIA-9>  but /mnt/overlay and thus need less special handling
18:46 < rxr> mnemoc: I rather do the "big picture" boot code moving into architecture/%/boot immediatly rather then fixing up the target/bootdisk first?
18:46 < rxr> and also factore out the live-cd code into the same place where the new install-cd code will go?
18:47 < mnemoc> misc/install ?
18:48 < rxr> I do not know yet
18:49 < mnemoc> it's not arch, it's not target, it's not pacjage.... so it's misc/ :)
18:49 < rxr> we could leave it in target livecd / installcd but not add them to the target list but to a 2nd list with such kind of post-process overlaying ...
18:49 < rxr> mnemoc: well - it is sort of defining the image produced for the target ...
18:50 < rxr> in general we could have a choice "Target output" installcd "installcd livecd romimage"
18:50 < rxr> we could create a images/ for those ...
18:50 < rxr> adding all into misc looks a bit unsorted ...
18:50 < mnemoc> but doesn't fit anywhere else
18:51 < mnemoc> misc/target/ ?
18:52 < mnemoc> misc/*/config.in and misc/*/parse-config are part of the framework
18:52 < mnemoc> misc/archive is unsorted :)
18:53 < mnemoc> misc/target/output/$SDE_TARGET_OUTPUT/  looks good :)
18:53 < mnemoc> directed by config/target/config.in and config/target/parse-config
18:54 < rxr> == 12/15/05 18:51:42 =[9]=> Finished building package firefox.
18:54 < rxr> mnemoc: a bit deep hiarchy
18:54 < rxr> +r
18:54 < mnemoc> rxr: misc/target/$SDE_TARGET_OUTPUT/ may be chaotic and restrictive
18:55 < mnemoc> or simply 'target features'
18:55 < mnemoc> for feature in $SDE_TARGET_FLAGS; do
18:55 < mnemoc> . misc/target/$feature/parse-config
18:55 < mnemoc> done
18:56 < rxr> hm
18:56 < rxr> I leave them where they are and we can move them wherever we see they fit best later ,-)
18:57 < mnemoc> where are they?
18:58 < rxr> target/{livecd,bootdisk}
18:58 < rxr> ,-)
18:58 < mnemoc> hehe
18:58 < rxr> uptime of just my workstation: 30 days, 14:55
18:59 < rxr> my X server is up since at least: Thu Dec  1 19:24:56 2005
18:59 < rxr> ...
19:00 < rxr> CPU time consumed by X so far: 421:00.32
19:01 < rxr> now I call that a stable system and graphic rendering implementation ,-)
19:01 < mnemoc> $ uptime 15:01:55 up  4:08,  1 user,  load average: 0.09, 0.11, 0.15
19:01 < rxr> though the rs6k has: up 228 days,  4:27
19:02 < rxr> it is just cool to see latest trunk with latest X that stable ...
19:02 < rxr> not to mention glibc NPTL and gcc-4.0.x ...
19:02 < rxr> usually I shut down my workstation every now and then - but this is quite a max, just too much T2 code to be build continously 
19:03 < mnemoc> :)
19:04 < rxr> also X running for such a time is just amazing ...
19:04 < rxr> T2/trunk?: more stable than Debian/stable ,-)
19:05 < Baldzius> :)
19:05 < mnemoc> :)
19:07 < Baldzius> almost 1/2 year on trunk and don't have any complaints, even now with new glibc and X11R7
19:07 < rxr> Baldzius: ,-)
19:07 < rxr> just boot/install cd rework and -alpha or -beta goes in press
19:08 < rxr> 2.2-{alpha,beta} that is ,-)
19:09 < mnemoc> trunk deserves a beta release :)
19:09 < Baldzius> :)
19:09 < rxr> mnemoc: you mean skipping aplha as well?
19:09 < mnemoc> and 2.1 deserver amd64/desktop
19:09 < rxr> well - archivista ships it to enterprise customers ,-)
19:09 < mnemoc> rxr: including installcd/bootcd target capabilities? .... alpha
19:10 < rxr> though it is a frozen July livcd snapshot, including frozen kernel and X.org 6.8 (not 7)
19:10 < mnemoc> rxr: ok ok... beta1 :)
19:10 < mnemoc> *G*
19:11 < mnemoc> if (random(1) > 0.5) release('beta'); else release('alpha');
19:11 < mnemoc> .oO( target capabilities? )o
19:13 < rxr> mnemoc: 2.1 x86-64 hit stage 2
19:14 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. I disable write acces on svn.exactcode.de on http, soon? just https:// then, so people can not spy the passwd anymore, ok ?
19:14 < rxr> access even
19:15 < mnemoc> i use https here
19:15 < mnemoc> any news about morfoh?
19:18 < rxr> nope
19:26 < CIA-9> rene * r13896 /trunk/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
19:26 < CIA-9> * moved target/bootdisk/arch into architecture/%/boot (of course work
19:26 < CIA-9>  in progress)
19:27 < rxr> called his cell for the hurd talk - but unavail ...
19:28 < mnemoc> :(
19:32 < rxr> just looked up the phone book - no entry ...
19:33 < rxr> I expected none anyway because a) he moved recently and b) it is not his own phone now but in this living community he is in now ...
19:33 < rxr> too bad I always had no time to visit him, otherwise I would know his address ...
19:33 < rxr> damned
19:36 < mnemoc> he is making me nervious
19:37 < rxr> ah - his dns entry is valid ,-)
19:37 < rxr> how to get a persons address ,-)
19:38 < rxr> so - just no way in germany to find out all phone numbers for a adderss ...
19:38 < mnemoc> university?
19:38 < rxr> guess I should walk there then soon ...
19:38 < rxr> mnemoc: he as ixplanet.de
19:38 < rxr> s/as/has/
19:38 < mnemoc> i know
19:39 < rxr> a way to get his address ,-)
19:39 < mnemoc> but how who updates registar's info? :)
19:39 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
19:39 < mnemoc> ixplanet.de
19:39 < mnemoc> o whois
19:39 < mnemoc> on whois
19:40 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not get you, sorry?
19:40 < mnemoc> or you mean the one published on the pagE?
19:40 < rxr> his page is mostly blank
19:40 < rxr> dig <his-domain>
19:42 < rxr> hm - or nslookup
19:42 < mnemoc> iXPlanet Deutschland
19:42 < mnemoc> Gertrud-Kolmar-Str. 3
19:42 < mnemoc> 10117 Berlin
19:42 < mnemoc> Tel. + 4930 29661054
19:42 < mnemoc> Fax. + 4930 29661054
19:42 < rxr> ?
19:42 < mnemoc> useful?
19:42 < rxr> I get s.th. else
19:42 < rxr> what did you use ?
19:42 < valentin> rehi
19:42 < rxr> hi valentin 
19:42 < valentin> searching for morfo ?
19:42 < rxr> valentin: yep - have his street now
19:43 < mnemoc> rxr: one of the mails he sent me once :)
19:43 < rxr> though I would need to leave my keyboard alone and I was so unproductive today already ...
19:43 < mnemoc> on aug 24
19:43 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe it is his old address ...
19:43 < rxr> mnemoc: I already got his latest one via denic.de web-querry for his domain
19:43 < mnemoc> iXPlanet Cameroon
19:43 < mnemoc> BP XXX Douala
19:43 < mnemoc> Tel. + 237 997 63 82 
19:43 < mnemoc> :)
19:44 < valentin> Cameroon ? He wanted to emigrate into such a country some day...
19:44 < mnemoc> he has some friends from there afaik
19:45 < rxr> maybe he is there ...
19:45 < mnemoc> denic.de thing was what i meant by "who updates their info at registar's?"
19:45 < LMJ> HA FUCK
19:45 < LMJ> == 12/15/05 18:36:45 =[9]=> Aborted building package firefox.
19:45 < rxr> mnemoc: guess he - he has this new adderss for some time now ...
19:45 < mnemoc> emigrate without telling anyone?
19:46 < rxr> LMJ: due to the #error I posted before ?
19:46 < rxr> cut'n paste / svn up the firefox.conf - it will build
19:46 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess you want me go to the address soner than later, right?
19:47 < LMJ> rxr : http://pastebin.com/465568
19:47 < mnemoc> rxr: i know you are busy
19:48 < rxr> mnemoc: can I drop the crappy freedos based multi image dos loader thingi clifford hacked up and I never wanted ?
19:48 < rxr> LMJ: ack - that is what I meant ...
19:48 < rxr> update the firefox.desc and it will build thru .-)
19:48 < LMJ> yeahaaa
19:49 < LMJ> ;)
19:49 < LMJ> desc or conf ?
19:49 < mnemoc> n_narco@yahoo.fr <--- he is a close friend of morfoh afaik, i'll mail him
19:49 < rxr> .conf - sorry
19:49 < rxr> valentin: how are you ?
19:49 < mnemoc> rxr: drop it, but don't forget we _need_ to be able to install from floppy
19:50 < valentin> fine, besides i miss morfoh...
19:50 < rxr> valentin: I go to morfoh and you to the cacert talk tomorrow ?
19:50 < rxr> valentin: deal?
19:50 < valentin> mnemoc: it is possible to get a linux mini distro on floppy
19:50 < valentin> deal - what are the coordinates ?
19:50 < rxr> tu-berlin
19:51 < valentin> where and when ?
19:51 < rxr> room 5546
19:51 < rxr> franklin bau
19:51 < rxr> franklin str.
19:51 < rxr> an der marchbr?cke or so
19:51 < rxr> 18 o'clock I think
19:52 < valentin> is there anything special i should ask them ?
19:52 < rxr> https://wiki.freitagsrunde.org/CAcert#Die_Freitagsrunde_best.C3.A4tigt_dich
19:53 < mnemoc> valentin: i know, but i mean a t2 network installer on a floppy :)
19:54 < rxr> mnemoc: you'll get that
19:54 < rxr> valentin: maybe 13 o'clock
19:54 < valentin> mnemoc: and why do you need dos for that ?
19:55 < mnemoc> valentin: i never said we need dos, i said we need a floppy installer :)
19:56 < valentin> rxr: you want me to become a assurer
19:56 < rxr> nope
19:56 < rxr> valentin: I already registered there
19:56 < rxr> I should look if I got an account then
19:56 < valentin> rxr: as an assurer ?
19:57 < rxr> sven guckes wanted me there - I did not wanted to go there due cacert, but to know more people in berlin in the tech sociaty
19:57 < rxr> society
19:57  * rxr to mofohs coordinates in some seconds then ...
19:59 < mnemoc> :)
19:59 < valentin> much luck rxr
20:00 < mnemoc> yes, good luck
20:00 < rxr> mnemoc: I think it is the most useful thing to implement multi disk loading into grub
20:00 < rxr> all problems will be solved then ...
20:01 < rxr> load abbritary sized kernel from x floppies and then y floppies of initramfs ,-)
20:01 < mnemoc> sounds good :)
20:01 < mnemoc> if grub can handle that
20:01 < rxr> if not I'll add support
20:01 < rxr> grub is mostly C and I have good old DOS assembler (e.g. BIOS hackery) experience anyway ...
20:02 < mnemoc> :)
20:02 < valentin> hm, freitagsrunde is the meeting of the TUs fachschaftsini
20:03 < rxr> well - I mailed sven anyway - let's see ...
20:03 < rxr> or do you fear the tu studenty ...
20:04  * rxr away now - cu
20:04 < valentin> rxr: no - i just noticed
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20:12 < misl> hi folks
20:12 < valentin> hi misl 
20:12 < misl> hi valentin :)
20:14 < valentin> rxr: according to http://www.guckes.net/ , blindcoder did a rock talk at belug 2 weeks ago
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22:10 < LMJ> rxr : good one : == 12/15/05 21:23:25 =[9]=> Finished building package firefox.
22:11 < LMJ> 1h30 exactly to compile it
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22:44  * Xenos is away: dropped to bed..
22:54 -!- Baldzius_ is now known as Baldzius
23:06 < rxr> LMJ: 1h10 here ...
23:06 < rxr> re
23:06 < rxr> valentin: I know about that rock talk
23:06 < rxr> read it somewhere - like rocklinux.org or so ...
23:06 < mnemoc> wb rxr 
23:06 < LMJ> good ;)
23:07 < LMJ> check out fasterfox plugin if you have tume
23:07 < rxr> so - mofroh is alive and we do not need to worry
23:07 < jsaw> rxr: still awake?
23:07 < rxr> greeting
23:07 < mnemoc> rxr: just busy?
23:07 < rxr> he will come to me saturday with some presents for mnemoc and tries to join irc again some time soon
23:07 < jsaw> hi mnemoc, LMJ, rxr
23:07 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
23:07 < LMJ> hy jsaw 
23:07 < rxr> hi jsaw 
23:08 < jsaw> rxr: If I can join with family (meppen/netherlands), we'll be there...
23:11 < rxr> morfoh and I enjoyed a beer in a pub together and he appeared quite fine
23:11 < mnemoc> great to hear :)
23:11 < rxr> jsaw: nice ,-)
23:12 < rxr> valentin: the cacert firday table is @ 13:00 tomorrow
23:12 < rxr> no idea if you wanna join it ...
23:13 < rxr> X11R7.0-RC4/
23:13 < rxr> who does the massive commit ?
23:13 < jsaw> :)
23:14  * jsaw hands mirror to rxr
23:14 < mnemoc> *G*
23:14 < jsaw> ok, a 50/50 beam-splitter, then there's still 50% chance somebody else does it...
23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: 2.1 is @ 5-xorg on my mini
23:15 < mnemoc> :)
23:16 < mnemoc> buidling desktop targeT?
23:16 < valentin> welcome back rxr
23:16 < jsaw> hi valentin 
23:16 < rxr> yep - desktop
23:16 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.1-stable-x86-64-athlon64-desktop:
23:16 < rxr> 680 builds total, 204 completed fine, 0 with errors.
23:17 < valentin> hi jsaw 
23:19 < mnemoc> # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg desktop
23:19 < mnemoc> Error logs from desktop-2.1-stable-x86-64-desktop:
23:19 < mnemoc> [5] develop/librep                      [5] kde/kdemultimedia [5] emulators/wine                      [5] base/nssdb [5] e16/eterm16                         [5] database/bdb-java [5] database/bdb33-java                 [5] graphic/inkscape [6] base/gettext
23:19 < mnemoc> 679 builds total, 670 completed fine, 9 with errors.
23:20 < rxr> on noisy?
23:21 < mnemoc> yes
23:21 < jsaw> hmm, the "undefined labes with -Os -fPIC" (gcc 3.3/3.4 regressions) is finally solved...
23:21 < mnemoc> just for reference :)
23:21 < jsaw> just took 2 years
23:21 < jsaw> well, 1.5
23:22 < rxr> ._(
23:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: 3.4.5?
23:24 -!- geekitus [n=geekitus@sourcemage/guru/geekitus] has quit ["Parti"]
23:24 < jsaw> mnemoc: seems to be commit for all branches
23:24 < jsaw> 3.3 and 3.4 and 4 of course
23:25 < jsaw> I mean 3.3 and 4
23:26 < CIA-9> rene * r13897 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_install.sh: * added parted as primary partitioning tool to the stone installer
23:26 < rxr> jsaw: where have you found that ?
23:26 < jsaw> oh, it didn't take 1.4 years... somebody cleaned up the bugzilla db only
23:26 < jsaw> rxr: I got mail
23:26 < jsaw> notification
23:27 < rxr> jsaw: ah - bug owner?
23:27 < rxr> --- stone_mod_install.sh        (revision 13897)
23:27 < rxr> +++ stone_mod_install.sh        (working copy)
23:27 < rxr> @@ -108,12 +108,7 @@
23:27 < rxr>         cmd="gui_menu disk 'Edit partition table of $1'"
23:27 < rxr>         for x in parted cfdisk fdisk pdisk mac-fdisk ; do
23:27 < rxr> -               fn=""
23:27 < rxr> -               [ -f /bin/$x ] && fn="/bin/$x"
23:27 < rxr> -               [ -f /sbin/$x ] && fn="/sbin/$x"
23:27 < rxr> -               [ -f /usr/bin/$x ] && fn="/usr/bin/$x"
23:27 < rxr> -               [ -f /usr/sbin/$x ] && fn="/usr/sbin/$x"
23:27 < rxr> -               [ "$fn" ] && \
23:27 < rxr> +               type -p $x > /dev/null &&
23:27 < rxr>                   cmd="$cmd \"Edit partition table using '$x'\" \"$x /dev/$1/disc\""
23:27 < rxr> any objections ?
23:27 < jsaw> rxr: not really, duplicate
23:28 < jsaw> stone_mod_install <- strange code, is PATH not set correctly ?
23:29 < mnemoc> i guess old versions of the installer didn't set it
23:29 < mnemoc> so that elegant workaround was added
23:30 < jsaw> elegant...
23:30 < mnemoc> :)
23:33 < rxr> ok - I commit in trunk and we can fix PATH if needed
23:34 < CIA-9> rene * r13898 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_install.sh: 
23:34 < CIA-9> * cleaned stone_mod_install.sh from bloated PATH alike testing for the
23:34 < CIA-9>  partitionizers
23:39 < rxr> mnemoc: the PATH should be ok in the script - in other places this is used:
23:39 < rxr>         if type -p jfs_mkfs > /dev/null ; then
23:42 < mnemoc> :)
--- Log closed Fri Dec 16 00:00:12 2005