--- Log opened Thu Dec 08 00:00:40 2005 01:35 < kristian> morning t2 01:41 < antimac> moin 01:57 < antimac> bye 01:57 -!- antimac [n=argon@dslb-084-060-033-226.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["Bye"] 01:58 < mnemoc> moin kristian 02:08 < kristian> mnemoc weel, still awake in t2 02:11 < mnemoc> sure 02:59 < kristian> still working at the hotplug thing i guess i will use udev and not hotplug-ng or hotplug++ - anyway i will have to enable hotplug mmc events in my kernel first. 02:59 < mnemoc> hotplug++ complements udev, not replace it 03:00 < kristian> sure? 03:00 < kristian> actually it like to heve one binary and not more 03:01 < mnemoc> they perform different jobs 03:01 < kristian> all this lib and etc things ar just to much as my project leader even wants me to implement a kernel thread for automounting sd cards 03:02 < mnemoc> o.o 03:02 < kristian> the guys on the hotplug-list mean hotplug-ng is outdated and i should just use udev 03:02 < mnemoc> if they say so 03:02 < mnemoc> i hate bloat anyway 03:02 < kristian> hmm - me too 03:03 < mnemoc> one job, one tool 03:03 < mnemoc> simple, clean and fast implementations 03:04 < kristian> the point is, that the is no hotplug event generated on my system anyway right now. i guess i will have to trigger it in the mmc code 03:05 < kristian> or do i have to do something from usercode to make the kernel executing /sbin/hotplug? - it is the default path. 03:06 < mnemoc> you tell to /proc which script will handle them 03:06 < mnemoc> echo "/sbin/rockplug" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug <--- on t2 2.1 03:07 < kristian> thats not the broblem 03:08 < kristian> i even do printks from kobject_uevent.c its just not generated - somehow 03:08 < mnemoc> i just answered one of your questions, one i know the answer 03:09 < kristian> oh, sorry to bother you with this - its just, that i was kiind of helpless. ;) 03:10 < mnemoc> i have no much idea about this topic, you have to ask rene or jsaw for details 03:10 < kristian> well, we dont want to wake then, do we? ;) - i think ill figure tis out till lunchtime 03:11 < mnemoc> :) 04:02 < CIA-9> amery * r13824 /branches/2.1/package/shells/bash/bash.conf: * merged 13305 from trunk: improved bash.conf to make 'which' only if bash_which is set. 04:36 -!- CIA-9 [i=cia@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [] 04:36 -!- CIA-8 [i=cia@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 05:11 < CIA-8> amery * r13825 /branches/2.1/package/network/iproute2/rocknet_iproute2.sh: * merged 13179 from trunk: fixed rocknet to let iproute2's ip set the boardcast address 06:15 -!- ojh [n=omer@71-34-235-13.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 06:39 -!- ojh [n=omer@71-34-235-13.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 06:50 < rxr> re 06:52 < kristian> moin 06:54 < kristian> rene, the guys at the udev list just told me that hotplug++ would be deat and udev takes all the work now. - a pitty that it is 2-3MB. ;) - i think hotplug++ will get its chance. 06:55 < kristian> of course they wrote hotplug-ng not hotplug++ 06:55 < rxr> udev helper are ugly 06:55 < rxr> in fact I continue to use hotplug++ from within u/dev to do this work 06:56 < kristian> i want to use it without udev alall 06:56 < rxr> kristian: yesterday you told me you are on the same uni then I? Have we meet there? 06:57 < kristian> strangely my devece is not generating hotplug events yet - though not calling dev pointed binary at /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug 06:57 < kristian> yes. some times. i am a friend of martin 06:57 < kristian> refered to as krss. ;) 06:58 < kristian> kriss 07:02 < rxr> accidently the one that came from south germany ? 07:03 < kristian> yes. 07:03 < kristian> though i am from brandenburg 07:04 < kristian> and moved to there for 2 years 07:13 < kristian> hope this is not a problem is it? 07:13 < rxr> not that I know off 07:13 < kristian> great 07:19 < kristian> btw. do you know of a kernel problem that makes powerbooks sleep function fail - activation a kind of sleep-dummy mode with no way to wake up again? (from 2.6.12 to 15-rc5) 07:21 < rxr> the only problem I know of is, that some network monitoring facilty keeps the airport locked without a away to sleep, in that case the suspend console would still list sleeping orinoco (or airport) or so text 07:21 < rxr> but I never debugged that 07:22 < kristian> hmmkay 07:23 < rxr> ? 07:27 < kristian> just, okay then i will have a look on my problem when there is time = hmmkay 07:29 < kristian> so, hotplug++ is as a striped arm-cross file ~60 kbyte - which is nothing in relation to udev. :) 07:29 < rxr> mnemoc: the latest powerpc kernel require a change of the auto linux configuration stuff in t2 ... :-( 07:29 < rxr> they merged ppc and ppc64 into one powerpc dir and 64 bit is a config switch now - damn ... 07:30 < rxr> kristian: you know that you can built u/dev against dietlibc as welll 07:30 < rxr> it is not that fat then as well 07:32 < kristian> i have not build against diet libc - but uclibc - i think 07:34 < rxr> of course I did not wanted to stop you using hotplug++ ,-) 07:34 < rxr> what distribution do you want to use it on ? 07:35 < kristian> it is a small from scratch system on an 16 MB embedded omap platform 07:47 < kristian> to compare that with the same build environment for udev i am at 192 kbyte - which is suprisingly small for 9 files, located all over the poor file system. 08:08 < rxr> mnemoc: yay - kernel booted on the dual-core mac, finally ... 08:10 < rxr> guess I'll just NFS mount my rs6k root filesystem and start coping it onto it's HD ... 08:25 < CIA-8> rene * r13826 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 08:25 < CIA-8> * fixed example config of cups-pdf/ForcedUser.patch and adapted 08:25 < CIA-8> the archivista rootfs overlay likewise 08:39 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 08:39 -!- mipe [n=mipe@k170.ip2.netikka.fi] has joined #t2 08:47 < kristian> so, hotplug-ng (incl. my changes for automount of mmc/sd) is less then 20 kB... 08:48 < kristian> stripped even 4.5 kB 08:48 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:48 < rxr> automount from hotplug ? 08:48 < rxr> btw. you do want to use class, static /dev nodes? 08:52 < kristian> rxr well, i am sthinking 'bout this - since my task is only to implement automount 08:54 < rxr> "your task"? 08:55 < kristian> i am an intern and not teamleader in an offshore dev-team - so it is really hard for me to take any decisions. :( 08:56 < rxr> "offshore dev-team" ? 08:58 < kristian> we are the code-slaves for a canadian headquarter - in shanghai 08:58 < rxr> mh hm 09:00 < kristian> actually my teamleader wants me to implement an kernelthread for that task... 09:00 < rxr> aha 09:00 < rxr> kristian: working longer for them? 09:00 < kristian> since 1 month now 09:01 < kristian> for 4 more months they offered me to join after finishing my studyes 09:20 < CIA-8> rene * r13827 /trunk/architecture/powerpc64/ (config.in gcc-options.in): 09:20 < CIA-8> * fixed powerpc64 G5 optimization option and to default to powerpc64 09:20 < CIA-8> for generic to get 64bit binaries in that case 09:37 < mipe> morning all 10:56 -!- mipe [n=mipe@k170.ip2.netikka.fi] has quit ["leaving"] 11:03 -!- Xenos is now known as VX 11:03 * VX is back (gone 02:23:40) 11:03 < VX> hloall 11:40 < VX> wb, karasz :) 11:40 < karasz> hello VX 11:40 < karasz> moin all 11:40 < karasz> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6173441864.html 11:40 < karasz> ^^ nice 11:54 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 11:57 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:57 -!- Xenos is now known as VX 12:08 < rxr> rehi 12:08 < rxr> hi karasz 12:09 < karasz> hello rxr 12:49 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178149031.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 12:49 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-) 12:49 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005] 12:49 [Users #t2] 12:49 [ _Ragnar_] [ karasz ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly ] [ VX] 12:49 [ CIA-8 ] [ kristian] [ mtr_] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] 12:49 [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ owl ] [ SerWou] [ valentin ] 12:49 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 12:49 -!- [freenode-info] If you're at a conference, please contact freenode staff to make sure we've made special allowance for many users coming into our network from a single internet address ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp ). 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Thanks! 12:49 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 12:50 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 31 secs 12:53 < CIA-8> rene * r13829 /trunk/package/security/nmap/nmap.desc: * updated nmap (3.93 -> 3.95) 12:55 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178173069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:56 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AF9536.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:05 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 13:06 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 13:06 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Client Quit] 13:07 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 13:08 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has left #t2 ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 13:08 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 13:28 < mnemoc> rehi 13:28 < VX> hello, mnemoc 13:28 < mnemoc> hi VX 13:29 < rxr_> moin mnemoc 13:29 -!- You're now known as rxr 13:29 < rxr> mnemoc: the dual core max saw some linux bits this morning 13:30 < rxr> unfortunatly I have to continue archivista atuff now - thus real system deployment delays 13:30 < mnemoc> rxr: how many minutes? :) 13:30 < rxr> inf. - just paniced due to no root 13:30 < rxr> but it should work otherwise 13:30 < mnemoc> :D 13:30 < VX> wanna:> 13:31 < VX> mnemoc, rxr: http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1088-desktop.png 13:31 < rxr> but the fan control does not work yet - so the fans power to 100% after 2 minutes (or on control signal generated by the kernel and then the cooling system entering emergency mode) 13:31 < rxr> and with 100% power on the fans the box is noisy ... 13:31 < mnemoc> power bill reaching sky 13:38 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.2] has joined #t2 13:38 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.27] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:38 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 13:45 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF587.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 13:45 < nzg> moin 13:45 < VX> moin, nzg 13:46 < nzg> finally i got my connection *g* 13:46 < mnemoc> nzg! wb 13:47 < nzg> mnemoc: thx, hi 13:55 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.246.175] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:58 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 13:58 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:58 -!- Xenos is now known as VX 14:00 < VX> hm 14:00 -!- VX is now known as Xenos 14:01 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Client Quit] 14:01 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 14:04 < rxr> hi nzg 14:04 < rxr> mnemoc: nah - the cpus keep cool - just the fans spinning - the fans do not eat that much power .... 14:04 < nzg> hi rxr 14:05 < Xenos> rxr 14:05 < Xenos> any news about scr-page? :) 14:06 < mnemoc> scr-page? 14:06 < mnemoc> hi rxr! 14:06 < rxr> screenshots 14:06 < mnemoc> :) 14:07 < rxr> Xenos: no time right now - a dozen of things on the high priority todo 14:07 < Xenos> i see.. ok, tell me, when it will be finished 14:07 < Xenos> i'll send u a new scr :) 14:11 < CIA-8> rene * r13830 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/ (etc/conf/kernel sbin/init.d/system): 14:11 < CIA-8> * removed unfunctional modprobe from archivista/rootfs overlay and 14:11 < CIA-8> moved the forced load of sg and st to conf/kernel where it belongs 14:11 < rxr> Xenos: jups - just fill my inbox 14:11 < rxr> Xenos: I'll use them when I do that section 14:11 < Xenos> kk ;) 14:11 < rxr> please use a verbose subject including screenshot and t2 -) 14:14 < Xenos> i'll try 14:14 < Xenos> :) 14:14 * rxr praying to get a sgi system board for 1EUR on ebay and a cpu for 9.95EUR ,-) 14:14 < rxr> to get this instable Octane stable ... 14:14 < mnemoc> :) 14:16 < karasz> rxr did you got the patches from benh? 14:16 < karasz> ML stuff is in sync with that? 14:20 -!- demian [n=demian@201.206.44.210] has joined #t2 14:20 < Xenos> hi, demian 14:21 * rxr will be on the x-mas party of http://golem.de ,-) 14:22 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:22 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 14:23 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF587.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["wlan-treiber..."] 14:25 -!- VX is now known as Xenos 14:28 < owl> moin 14:28 < Xenos> moin, owl 14:37 < mnemoc> KDE Security Advisory: kpdf/xpdf multiple integer overflows 14:37 < mnemoc> Original Release Date: 2005-12-07 14:38 < valentin> moin 14:38 < mnemoc> KDE 3.2.0 up to including KDE 3.5.0 14:38 < mnemoc> KOffice 1.3.0 up to including KOffice 1.4.2 14:38 < mnemoc> nice 14:38 < mnemoc> wb valentin 14:38 < mnemoc> owl! 14:38 < valentin> hi mnemoc 14:38 < valentin> kerstins BIOS runs amok :( 14:38 < rxr> mnemoc: any xpdf based stuff is affected 14:38 < rxr> hi valentin 14:38 < valentin> hi rxr 14:39 < mnemoc> rxr: oh 14:39 < rxr> valentin: open windows, throw the bios thru it ... 14:39 < rxr> valentin: amok in what way ? 14:39 < valentin> i do not know if this will fix it 14:39 < valentin> i had a config checksum error and the bios started beeping alarm 14:40 < valentin> i reseted the config and restored everything. now all works fine, but the bios still beeps all the time the system is up 14:40 < rxr> cmos battery most probably empty 14:41 < valentin> fear so... 14:41 < rxr> the bios beeps all the time ? 14:41 < valentin> yes 14:41 < valentin> seems to be an hardware-wired alarm beep 14:42 < valentin> no chance to turn it of, even under linux 14:42 < rxr> usually pie sea BIOSes beep on over temperature ... 14:42 < valentin> from the first second you turn it on ? 14:42 < demian> hi, thanks Xenos 14:42 < Xenos> :) 14:42 < valentin> could be a fan warning 14:43 < rxr> yep 14:43 < Xenos> hello, valentin 14:43 < rxr> maybe some fan not spinning ? 14:43 < valentin> but there is no error message / warning at all on startup 14:43 < valentin> hi Xenos 14:43 < valentin> rxr: i will check... 14:43 < valentin> but maybe it is a cmos battery broken/empty warning 14:44 < rxr> never saw a pie sea BIOS beeping on that permanently 14:45 < demian> rxr: i saw it when there is iverheat 14:45 < demian> overheat 14:45 < rxr> demian: ack 14:46 < rxr> valentin: can I phone your shortly ? 14:46 < owl> hi mnemoc 14:46 * demian remember that he had to run to turn off his computer quickly when capted those beeps 14:46 < mnemoc> wb demian 14:47 < demian> mnemoc, owl. wish u a good pay pals.. going to work. 14:56 < owl> hi demian 14:57 * mnemoc still waiting for owl greeting 14:57 < owl> mnemoc: look above :) 14:58 < owl> (14:46) 14:58 < mnemoc> :D 14:58 < mnemoc> ok, forgiven :) 14:58 < owl> hehe ;) 15:06 < demian> i think that the hour told by owl will differ from the mnemoc one's (14:46) 15:06 < demian> :p 15:09 < mnemoc> [10:47:13] hi mnemoc 15:09 < mnemoc> but the hint helps to find the text anyway 15:18 < owl> yeah :) 15:18 < rxr> mnemoc: we are only 4 hours away ? 15:19 < mnemoc> on your winter, yes 15:19 < mnemoc> on your summer at 6 15:23 < rxr> thought it would be more ... 15:23 < mnemoc> nah, we are close :) 15:24 < rxr> hehe ,-) 15:32 < mnemoc> OT: rxr: efsd-2005-11-14.tar.bz2 and linux-mips-2.6.12-cvs.tar.gz still missing on gsmp 15:36 < rxr> hey - got a Octane CPU and mainboard 15:36 < rxr> about 9EUR each ,-) 15:36 < mnemoc> fair enough :) 15:37 < rxr> hehe 15:37 < rxr> plus I get 15EUR back for the instable Octane ... 15:37 < rxr> that was 80EUR + 15EUR shipping ,-) 15:37 < rxr> not too much investment for a new kind of architecture in the house ... 15:37 < rxr> plus some spare parts ,-) 15:38 * rxr hopefully those board and CPU will make a stability difference 15:38 < mnemoc> we will se :) 15:38 < mnemoc> see 15:40 < rxr> yep 15:40 < Xenos> hmm 15:40 * Xenos is looking for some nice wallpaper 15:40 < rxr> http://www.kodice.com/pekatus/tias/monograficos/Hale%20Berry/hale%20berry.htm 15:41 < Xenos> rxr: :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) 15:42 < Xenos> i'm about abstract :) 15:46 < Xenos> gigi.. 15:46 < Xenos> http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/wredirect.php?id_download=419 15:46 < Xenos> :) 15:49 < rxr> mnemoc: wonderful - I execute modprobe st in the system init and the f*cked module get's not loaded 15:49 < rxr> mnemoc: manually it works 15:49 < rxr> strange world ... 15:50 < rxr> I think I inject a strace hammer into init for testing ... 15:50 < rxr> grummel 15:50 < rxr> with such stuff I need fresh tea - bbl 15:51 < Xenos> cu, rxr 15:52 < rxr> Xenos: ouhm - your pic is naked ... 15:52 < rxr> my link was more decent 15:52 < Xenos> :))) 15:52 < Xenos> but mine 15:52 < Xenos> with a penguin 15:52 < Xenos> :>>>> 15:52 < rxr> discreet even 15:52 < rxr> not decent 15:53 < mnemoc> what else could you expect from someone self called 'tits in spanish', and vixen on his free time 15:53 < rxr> lol 15:53 < rxr> hey - I need to work - not fall laughing from the chair ... 15:53 < mnemoc> :) 15:54 < Xenos> ?))))))))))))) 15:54 < Xenos> argh 15:54 < Xenos> ( 15:54 < Xenos> sorry for frst "ru" symbol 15:54 < Xenos> :) 15:54 < mnemoc> \u0416 15:58 < Xenos> argh, mnemoc 15:58 < Xenos> :) 15:58 * Xenos is going to be VX again.. 16:02 < karasz> ftp://mirror.linuxsoft.cz/wallpapers/272/full_Dall-TC-for_KDE.jpg 16:02 < karasz> ^^ what is that? 16:03 < rxr> mroe p00rn ? 16:03 < karasz> hmmm... i guess not... 16:03 < rxr> no idea - looks strange 16:03 < karasz> kinda cool but yes very strange 16:04 < demian> what? COMMITED revision in svn working copy? 16:04 < karasz> i cannot imagine the inner world of the guy or girl who draw that 16:04 < karasz> and i guess i do not want to imagine that.... 16:04 < Xenos> :) 16:08 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 16:11 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:11 -!- VX is now known as Xenos 16:12 < valentin> rxr: still got those linuxbabe wallpaper i found years ago ? 16:14 < rxr> sure 16:15 < rxr> I even inserted a third one to increase our google ranking ,-) 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/ 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_1.jpg 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_2.jpg 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_2.1.png 16:16 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_3.jpg 16:16 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_4.jpg 16:16 < mnemoc> .oO( rxr on pr0n mode? )o 16:16 < rxr> mnemoc: neither porn nor mode ,-) 16:16 < Xenos> :)) 16:16 < rxr> those humans have clothes coverint the most interesting parts ,-) 16:17 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux-ready-for-the-future.png 16:17 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_ft.jpg 16:18 < valentin> rxr: most of those shirt-prints look like quite unprofessional digital photo manipulations 16:20 < valentin> 2.1 is the only one that looks realistic on the first sight 16:20 < rxr> valentin: of course they are 16:21 < rxr> valentin: don't let kerstin catch you while you have such pictures on the screen ,-) 16:22 < valentin> why ? she was standing right behind me... 16:22 < mnemoc> oops 16:23 < mnemoc> now she knows rene's dark side 16:23 < valentin> well, i found 2.1 first 16:23 < rxr> mnemoc: my dark side to increate google rank ,-) 16:23 < mnemoc> :) 16:24 < valentin> she is allowed to have a good looking man with a tux as a wallpaper, too 16:24 < rxr> there are month where those files are top hit on gsmp ,-) 16:24 < valentin> hehe 16:24 < mnemoc> hehe 16:24 < mnemoc> apropos gsmp, can you add: IndexOptions +NameWidth=* ? 16:25 < rxr> yep 16:25 < valentin> kerstin wants to know where to get such a picture ... 16:26 < rxr> # find -name .htaccess 16:26 < rxr> ./ftp/rock-empty-left-for-scripts/.htaccess 16:26 < rxr> ok - now I know why this stopped working ... 16:27 < rxr> file moved and some obsolete lines commented out 16:28 < mnemoc> nice, now i can avoid my stupid file hierarchy 16:31 < mnemoc> or someone likes it? 16:32 < rxr> classpath and pixie are the most memory intensive compile taks I think 16:34 < mnemoc> http://opensource.mit.edu/papers/sturmer.pdf 16:36 < rxr> topic ? 16:37 < mnemoc> no, i just go that paper on one ML 16:37 < mnemoc> and looking interesting 16:37 * rxr meant topic of that paper ,-) 16:39 < mnemoc> Open Source Community Building 16:39 < rxr> ,-) 16:39 < rxr> neat 16:39 [Users #t2] 16:39 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 16:39 [ CIA-8 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr_ ] [ SerWou ] [ Xenos ] 16:39 [ demian ] [ kristian] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] 16:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 16:42 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 16:43 < misl> hi folks 16:43 < rxr> hi misl 16:44 < demian> hello misl 16:44 < misl> hi rxr, demian :) 16:44 < misl> http://pbskids.org/teletubbies/favouritethings.html 16:45 < misl> :) my son wants to o-oh 16:45 < rxr> o-oh 16:46 < demian> rxr: i stay with linux_babe_2.1. 16:46 < rxr> demian: stay or use since today ? 16:47 < misl> linux_babe ? 16:48 < rxr> 16:12 < valentin> rxr: still got those linuxbabe wallpaper i found years ago ? 16:48 < rxr> 16:14 < rxr> sure 16:48 < rxr> 16:15 < rxr> I even inserted a third one to increase our google ranking ,-) 16:48 < rxr> 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/ 16:48 < rxr> 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_1.jpg 16:48 < rxr> 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_2.jpg 16:48 < rxr> 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_2.1.png 16:48 < rxr> 16:16 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_3.jpg 16:48 < rxr> 16:16 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_4.jpg 16:52 < misl> hehe nice pics 16:56 < demian> umm.. hell with software patents.. :s 16:56 < rxr> demian: ? 16:58 < demian> got some troubles here in CR because of a free commerce deal between USA and CR.. MS patents will apply for software developed in costa rica. 16:58 < demian> and that means a high wall for costa rica developers. 16:59 < rxr> oh my god .... 16:59 < rxr> damn thing 16:59 < rxr> go demo - we did the same in europe the last years ... 16:59 < demian> but the stupid government here dunno so much about how important it is.. 17:00 < demian> anyways.. here comes the open source then.. 17:00 < demian> :D 17:03 < rxr> demo 'til they know 17:03 < rxr> write your representatives in your area and so on 17:15 < CIA-8> rene * r13831 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/ (8 files in 3 dirs): 17:15 < CIA-8> * improved archivista target to always run exim, but bound to the loop 17:15 < CIA-8> interface by default, changed outgoing mail config to reconfig exim 17:15 < CIA-8> on-the-fly, adapted update procedure and system status accordingly 17:18 < mnemoc> exim :) 17:19 < rxr> yes ? 17:21 -!- ojh [n=omer@65-100-7-200.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 17:21 < rxr> just not the mailer of choice for you or s.th. else ? 17:22 < mnemoc> nah, no problem 17:23 * rxr still wonders what you smiled about ,-)0 17:28 < ojh> I am still getting an odd error when trying to build PHP. 17:28 < ojh> == 08:31:16 =[9]=> Building develop/php [5.0.4 2.1.0]. 17:28 < ojh> -> Parallel build using 2 jobs enabled. 17:28 < ojh> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 82.96% cache hits so far. 17:28 < ojh> -> JAVA_HOME set to blackdown-jdk 17:28 < ojh> -> Reading package configuration from package directory. 17:28 < ojh> /usr/src/t2-src/package/develop/php/php.conf: line 27: [: : integer expression expected 17:28 < ojh> -> Preparing build in src.php.default.20051208.083114.4804.localhost 17:28 < ojh> -> Creating backup of old package data. 17:28 < ojh> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-php.out 17:28 < ojh> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 0.00% (0 hits, 0 misses) 17:28 < ojh> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-php.out -> 9-php.err 17:28 < ojh> == 12/08/05 08:31:37 =[9]=> Aborted building package php. 17:30 < ojh> Any help with this error appreciated. 17:31 < mnemoc> minute 17:31 < ojh> THX :-) 17:32 < mnemoc> grep SDECFG_PKG_PHP config/$config/config 17:34 < mnemoc> are you doing Build-Target or Emerge-Pkg? 17:34 < ojh> Emerge 17:34 < ojh> That var not in my config 17:35 < mnemoc> php.conf needs some config vars.... yuck 17:35 < mnemoc> so, run Config, and add php to pkgsel 17:35 < mnemoc> so Config creates the needed vars for php 17:36 < mnemoc> same ugly code on trunk... i'll try to fix it 17:39 < ojh> Does the add package rule in Config expect a line of sed like the target package files? 17:39 < mnemoc> no, pkgsel rules 17:40 < mnemoc> X php for example 17:40 < ojh> IC' 17:40 < ojh> IC: X/O 17:41 < mnemoc> XO- 17:41 < ojh> OK :- 17:41 < ojh> ) 17:41 < ojh> Now, that build looks right. 17:43 < ojh> I know that its a bit off topic, but I have a page and screen mockup of ZDE on line for thoes interested: http://zirconium.xisystems.net/ 17:43 < rxr> ,-) 17:43 < rxr> *click* 17:45 < CIA-8> rene * r13832 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (mail-config.sh update-restore.sh update-store.sh): 17:45 < CIA-8> * added mail notification configuration to the archivista target incl. 17:45 < CIA-8> the assocated update/restore cycle code 17:48 < ojh> Discussion board for ZDE if you have comments: http://xisystems.net/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=2 18:00 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF587.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 18:06 < demian> rxr: seems patents will be approvated anyway.. ppl here wants to coy laws takes by europ and asia. 18:06 < demian> s/coy/copy 18:06 < demian> because of insecurity. 18:06 < rxr> we have no software patents in europe 18:06 < rxr> rejected some month ago after years of demonstrations against it 18:06 < demian> oh. 18:06 < demian> didnt know that.. 18:06 < rxr> still there are streams trying to push them - but we'll continue to protest those ... 18:09 < demian> ic 18:10 < demian> so competely there are no software patents in europe at all ? 18:10 < rxr> yes - according to current law they are invalid 18:11 < rxr> you can not pattent storries, ideas or other abstract things here 18:11 < rxr> valentin usual knows more details 18:13 < rxr> e.g. you can patent a more efficiont switching freqency modulator for eletric engines - but not a mathematic formular used in it alone 18:14 < rxr> those patents should die out anyway 18:14 < rxr> worst crap people ever came up with 18:14 < rxr> how would we be if people would have patent tables, chairs, forks, knife, ... or childrens bedtime storries ... 18:15 < rxr> get the "one knife (tm)" for the special 199EUR price today - alternatives: none - or what? 18:15 < rxr> in theory "Bosch" has patented the "if"-conditional and another strange company XOR, and so on ... 18:16 < rxr> nice world that would be if such patents could be enforced ... 18:18 < demian> :s 18:18 < rxr> if soft patents ever come into the EU, I'm the fist one stopping developing and just sitting registering one stupid, trivial idea after the other submitting those and collecting money from all the companies obvously using those ideas ... 18:19 < rxr> another cool thing: apple got sued by a company holding a patent for a "digial music jukebox" which they claim apple is violating with their iPod ... 18:19 < demian> yes.. i remember the words froma teacher 3 years ago.. 18:20 < demian> ".. most of my money doesnt come from my shoppping stores.. it comes because i stolen ideas that people is currently using,," 18:20 < ojh> rxr: Problems with patents is that they are ment to apply to a specific implamentation. In software such a classic patent is meaningless becuse you can always create a diferent algarythm to do exactly the same. So the patene system has truely outsteped its intent when applied to software. But the REALLY, REALLY evil patenes are the ones on data formats - the ones ment to keep The Monolopy in power. 18:21 < rxr> in fact I find mechanical patents equally stupid 18:21 < rxr> magine a wine bottle opener - you can always come up with a simmilar mechanery if you want to build something stylish 18:21 < demian> the paper to clean ur ass.. 18:21 < rxr> yet there exist several patents on specific ways to open the bottle in one way or another ... 18:22 < rxr> the same applies of course for other stuff like car engines and so on ... 18:22 < demian> patents are all shit, 18:23 < demian> maybe the owner of such a patent died a long time ago and people continues milited. 18:23 < rxr> if you put brain power on a problem you always get a solution - and when Porsche has a specific harder material or so first they can market it and the other companies will ever need to time and money reinvent the machinery to build simillar stuff ... 18:23 < demian> s/milited/limited 18:27 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.246.175] has joined #t2 18:35 < valentin> re 18:37 < sparc-kly> hi valentin 18:37 < valentin> ojh: sw-pats never apply to a very special implementation 18:37 < valentin> they include that one implementation, but the bigger idea is patented 18:39 < demian> according to Ballmer, Linux violates 275 software patents 18:40 < valentin> could be even more Balmer did not know of 18:40 < ojh> valentin: That's exactly why pattents should not apply - any more then to a mathmatical equasion or biolocal discovery. Unfortinatly corperate interests have made patent definations way too wide for the greater interest of science. :-( 18:40 < valentin> microsoft permanently violate patents, too. so does anyone developing complex applications 18:40 < demian> sure. he says they will try to make all possible to make effective those softpats to linux! 18:41 < demian> microsoft bussiness are partnerships and softpatents 18:41 < valentin> will cut som potatoes now... 18:44 < ojh> Yes, in the software world (at lease here in the USA) patents are used like nukes durring the cold war. If M$ starts firieing at IBM, Sun, etc. they will fire back with their patents and make for some VERY VERY rich lawers and cut into the bottom line of both companies. 18:46 < ojh> So, just like the Cold War small small proxy wars are started by the agressors - SCO comes to mind . . . 18:48 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:48 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 18:49 < rxr> all my genes are patented (tm) :-((( 18:59 < ojh> rxr: I do find patents on DNA and other life science discoveries extreamly immoral my self. What right does any man have to claim ownership of an invention of the Creator? (Not to drag any sort of theological debates into this, but I beleve in God as the Creator) 18:59 < rxr> ojh: ack 19:00 < ojh> rxr: Just personal opinion on the matter . . . . 19:01 < rxr> nah - not just the God part - even people not believing on a God must admit that patenting to "have found something" is just invalid 19:01 < rxr> it was there, anyone could have find it ... 19:02 < ojh> rxr: Exactly - reguardless of theological convictions. ;-) 19:02 < rxr> oops 19:03 < rxr> I just backuped my t2-trunk checkout on the 500Mhz Archivista box testing the net backup 19:03 < rxr> no wonder NFS copy took some time ... 19:03 < rxr> *g* 19:03 < rxr> though something stinks here, performance wise 19:03 < rxr> the obx is only able to push 800kB thru the ethernet ... 19:04 < rxr> though only 25% cpu load ... 19:04 -!- VX [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 19:04 < rxr> reading from external firewire the box is booted from, pushing to my IBM RS6K router ... 19:04 < rxr> oh - my router is loaded 1.8 ... 19:04 < rxr> two nfs threads eating over 20 % each ... 19:05 < rxr> ok - even three .... 19:05 < rxr> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ Command 19:05 < rxr> 17432 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 24.1 0.0 0:20.84 nfsd 19:05 < rxr> 17431 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 20.9 0.0 0:44.08 nfsd 19:05 < rxr> 17430 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 11.4 0.0 0:41.53 nfsd 19:06 < rxr> reiserfs nearly filled, in such situation reiserfs v3 slows down also ... 19:07 < rxr> ok - al least noone can claim I did not stressed the code ... ,-) 19:11 < _Ragnar_> moin 19:12 < rxr> sent 112199204 bytes received 1292344 bytes 208050.50 bytes/sec 19:12 < rxr> total size is 108078414 speedup is 0.95 19:12 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 19:13 < _Ragnar_> moin moin :) 19:22 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 19:26 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Client Quit] 19:28 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 19:39 < CIA-8> rene * r13833 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (.fluxbox/menu mail-config.sh): 19:39 < CIA-8> * added the outgoing mail notification setup the the archivista 19:39 < CIA-8> menu and updated the other mail server entries 19:41 < CIA-8> rene * r13834 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (backup.sh net-backup.in net-backup.sh): 19:41 < CIA-8> * implemented utilizing the mail notification config in archivista 19:41 < CIA-8> to mail out the backup status and made net-backup rsync output 19:41 < CIA-8> more readable (and less verbose) and fixed net-backup to error 19:41 < CIA-8> out more gracefully if it was not configured properly 19:55 < karasz> ping 19:56 < rxr> pong 19:59 < karasz> :( 19:59 < karasz> DNS servers down again? 19:59 < rxr> which ones ? 19:59 < karasz> god i love my ISP 20:00 < karasz> i can't get any web page loaded... 20:00 < karasz> but chatzilla works so i guess that DNS servers down again at my ISP 20:02 < _Ragnar_> why don't you run your own dns cache? 20:07 -!- mubex_ [n=mubex@64.237.242.145] has joined #t2 20:09 -!- mubex__ [n=mubex@64.237.242.221] has joined #t2 20:26 -!- mubex_ [n=mubex@64.237.242.145] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:27 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.246.175] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:42 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 20:43 < rxr> ah - finally 20:43 < rxr> found out how to trick exim for this esiest as possible joe user experienc archivista box ,-) 20:44 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 20:47 < karasz> _Ragnar_: because I am stupid 20:48 < Xenos> karasz: hello 20:48 < karasz> hi Xenos 20:49 < rxr> karasz: setting up bind for this is not too complex 20:49 < rxr> just cut'n pasting a good HOWTO 20:50 < CIA-8> rene * r13835 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/exim/configure: 20:50 < CIA-8> * made archivista exim accept any unrouteable mail as local mail if 20:50 < CIA-8> the user matches, removed a obsolete comment line and update the 20:50 < CIA-8> description text of the config overlay 20:50 < karasz> rxr: i didn't say that i do not know how 20:50 < karasz> i just said that i am stupid ;) 20:50 < karasz> fot not doing that allready 20:51 < karasz> s/fot/for 20:51 < rxr> karasz: ,-) 20:51 < rxr> i usually just switch to the uni nameserver when I'm somewhere where DNS is messed up .. 20:58 < rxr> ouhm - switching thru the dvb channels while waiting for a remote squashfs finishes 20:58 < rxr> on some station there are tv commercials from the '70 20:58 < rxr> unbelievable how bad those first color tv transmissions have been 20:58 < rxr> looks like a blur with radius 5 was thrown over the frames ... 20:59 < rxr> some stuff is that blurry you can only imagine what it looked like ... 21:00 < rxr> and I found DVB-T MPEG2 too blocky ... 21:07 < _Ragnar_> *g* 21:07 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:23 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 21:23 < rxr> Microsoft Delays Next Internet Explorer Release 21:24 < rxr> http://osnews.com 21:24 < rxr> sun: Niagara I Out the Door, Time for Niagara II 21:24 < rxr> I hope they will not name their T1 successor T2 ... 21:31 < Xenos> :) 21:32 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 21:33 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 21:41 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@p54AFF587.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:44 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"] 22:15 < CIA-8> amery * r13836 /branches/2.1/package/editors/emacs/emacs-amd64.patch: * fixed emacs to not patch configure.in because autoconf fail. 22:29 -!- mubex__ is now known as sparc-kly 22:30 < demian> bye. have fun 22:31 < mnemoc> cu demian 22:38 * rxr dinner 22:39 < rxr> oh - that late? damned 22:41 < rxr> mnemoc: finally got my rs6k live root image mounted (nfs root) and some user-space run on the shiny new g5 22:42 < mnemoc> cool :D 22:49 < karasz> :D 22:49 < karasz> ppc64 slowly gettin around isn't it? ;) 22:56 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has quit ["There is intelligent life out there..."] 22:56 < CIA-8> amery * r13837 /trunk/package/audio/marlin/ (. marlin.desc): * added marlin (0.9) - A sample editor for Gnome 22:57 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 23:14 < rxr> valentin: have you f*cked up something on grum? 23:14 < rxr> wget ftp:// does not work out ... 23:14 < Xenos> :) 23:14 < Xenos> hm 23:15 < rxr> oh - my - the iptables output also looks like we should fix rocknet sometime soon 23:15 < valentin> rxr: nope - grum works as always ? 23:15 * Xenos sent the last scr to rene for the scr-page :) 23:19 < mnemoc> eclipse wont win me 23:20 < rxr> valentin: ignore it 23:20 < rxr> /me is in bed 23:20 < rxr> cu 23:20 < valentin> cu rxr 23:20 * valentin too 23:20 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr, valentin 23:21 < valentin> mnemoc: does marlin rock ? 23:21 < rxr> think it is a tiny tool 23:21 < rxr> rezound and audacity are quite nice 23:21 < rxr> rezound more so 23:21 < rxr> cu 23:21 < mnemoc> yes, very simple tool 23:21 < Xenos> bye, rxr 23:21 < mnemoc> xfce-style :) 23:22 < Xenos> :) 23:22 < valentin> yeah, i know rezound and audacity 23:22 < mnemoc> i hate wx, so audacity is banned 23:22 < mnemoc> i haven't tryied rezound or gsmp :p 23:22 < mnemoc> http://marlin.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html 23:22 < Xenos> mnemoc: :) 23:22 < Xenos> http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1099-desktop.png 23:23 < Xenos> try to look at every pixel of this screenshot ;) 23:24 < mnemoc> Xenos: if i have more that 1024x768 one day, i'll look for a more complex theme :) 23:24 < Xenos> :) 23:24 < mnemoc> very cool background 23:24 < mnemoc> is gaim's irc client to bad? 23:24 < Xenos> ? 23:25 < Xenos> to bad? 23:25 < mnemoc> bad 23:25 < Xenos> i use gaim 23:25 < Xenos> :) 23:25 < mnemoc> why xchat if gaim already there 23:25 < Xenos> gaim for me = gaim for icq 23:25 < Xenos> x-chat rulezzz the world ;> 23:25 < Xenos> in irc.. ;) 23:27 < Xenos> but mnemoc 23:28 < Xenos> what do u yhink about this desk?;) 23:28 < Xenos> *t 23:28 < mnemoc> very nice 23:28 < mnemoc> but not for me 23:28 < Xenos> not only a wallpaper 23:28 < Xenos> :) 23:30 < mnemoc> is the audio player xmms? 23:30 < Xenos> no 23:30 < Xenos> BMP 23:30 < Xenos> beep media player 23:30 < mnemoc> i added xmms2 short time ago, if you want to give it a try and add GUIs 23:30 < Xenos> :) 23:31 < mnemoc> bmp is not packages, send the patch :) 23:31 < Xenos> :) 23:31 < mnemoc> packaged* 23:31 < Xenos> i know 23:32 < mnemoc> so, send the patch 23:32 < Xenos> > 23:32 < Xenos> ? 23:32 < Xenos> stupid question: how? 23:32 < Xenos> :) 23:32 < Xenos> but BMP is no longer in development 23:33 < Xenos> the last version was 0.9.7.1 23:33 < mnemoc> http://beep-media-player.org/index.php/BMPx_Homepage <--- doesn't look dead 23:33 < Xenos> nono 23:33 < Xenos> it's a BMPx 23:33 < Xenos> based on client-server side 23:34 < Xenos> but bmp! - based on xmms 23:34 < mnemoc> well... add both 23:34 < Xenos> so bmpx seems to be xmms2 23:34 < Xenos> :) 23:34 < mnemoc> stop been passive :) 23:35 < Xenos> :) 23:35 < Xenos> :Xenos : stupid question: how? 23:35 < mnemoc> take a look into other .desc files... 23:35 < mnemoc> packaging is very simple on t2 23:35 < mnemoc> most packages only need .desc 23:36 < mnemoc> btw, after adding a new package you have to re-run Config (-oldconfig) before emerging it 23:36 < Xenos> emmm... 23:36 < Xenos> u mean 23:37 < Xenos> i should do it for me? 23:37 < Xenos> for myself 23:37 < Xenos> :) 23:37 < mnemoc> for you and then for us 23:37 < Xenos> then? 23:37 < mnemoc> when Emerge works for you, send a patch to add it officially 23:38 < Xenos> seems to be so difficult for me :) 23:38 < mnemoc> nope, it's not 23:39 < Xenos> i just installed bmp from sources.. 23:39 < mnemoc> you can use misc/archive/newpackage.sh helper if you can't mkdir a vi yourself 23:39 < mnemoc> and vi* 23:43 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.242.221] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:57 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has left #t2 [] 23:57 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 23:57 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has left #t2 [] 23:57 -!- Xenos [n=stealth@80.240.209.21] has joined #t2 23:58 < Xenos> argh --- Log closed Fri Dec 09 00:00:40 2005