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01:35 < kristian> morning t2
01:41 < antimac> moin
01:57 < antimac> bye
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01:58 < mnemoc> moin kristian
02:08 < kristian> mnemoc weel, still awake in t2
02:11 < mnemoc> sure
02:59 < kristian> still working at the hotplug thing i guess i will use udev and not hotplug-ng or hotplug++ - anyway i will have to enable hotplug mmc events in my kernel first.
02:59 < mnemoc> hotplug++ complements udev, not replace it
03:00 < kristian> sure?
03:00 < kristian> actually it like to heve one binary and not more
03:01 < mnemoc> they perform different jobs
03:01 < kristian> all this lib and etc things ar just to much as my project leader even wants me to implement a kernel thread for automounting sd cards
03:02 < mnemoc> o.o
03:02 < kristian> the guys on the hotplug-list mean hotplug-ng is outdated and i should just use udev
03:02 < mnemoc> if they say so
03:02 < mnemoc> i hate bloat anyway
03:02 < kristian> hmm - me too
03:03 < mnemoc> one job, one tool
03:03 < mnemoc> simple, clean and fast implementations
03:04 < kristian> the point is, that the is no hotplug event generated on my system anyway right now. i guess i will have to trigger it in the mmc code
03:05 < kristian> or do i have to do something from usercode to make the kernel executing /sbin/hotplug? - it is the default path.
03:06 < mnemoc> you tell to /proc which script will handle them
03:06 < mnemoc> echo "/sbin/rockplug" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug <--- on t2 2.1
03:07 < kristian> thats not the broblem
03:08 < kristian> i even do printks from kobject_uevent.c its just not generated - somehow
03:08 < mnemoc> i just answered one of your questions, one i know the answer
03:09 < kristian> oh, sorry to bother you with this - its just, that i was kiind of helpless. ;)
03:10 < mnemoc> i have no much idea about this topic, you have to ask rene or jsaw for details
03:10 < kristian> well, we dont want to wake then, do we? ;) - i think ill figure tis out till lunchtime
03:11 < mnemoc> :)
04:02 < CIA-9> amery * r13824 /branches/2.1/package/shells/bash/bash.conf: * merged 13305 from trunk: improved bash.conf to make 'which' only if bash_which is set.
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05:11 < CIA-8> amery * r13825 /branches/2.1/package/network/iproute2/rocknet_iproute2.sh: * merged 13179 from trunk: fixed rocknet to let iproute2's ip set the boardcast address
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06:50 < rxr> re
06:52 < kristian> moin
06:54 < kristian> rene, the guys at the udev list just told me that hotplug++ would be deat and udev takes all the work now. - a pitty that it is 2-3MB. ;) - i think hotplug++ will get its chance.
06:55 < kristian> of course they wrote hotplug-ng not hotplug++
06:55 < rxr> udev helper are ugly
06:55 < rxr> in fact I continue to use hotplug++ from within u/dev to do this work
06:56 < kristian> i want to use it without udev alall
06:56 < rxr> kristian: yesterday you told me you are on the same uni then I? Have we meet there?
06:57 < kristian> strangely my devece is not generating hotplug events yet - though not calling dev pointed binary at /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug
06:57 < kristian> yes. some times. i am a friend of martin
06:57 < kristian> refered to as krss. ;)
06:58 < kristian> kriss
07:02 < rxr> accidently the one that came from south germany ?
07:03 < kristian> yes.
07:03 < kristian> though i am from brandenburg
07:04 < kristian> and moved to there for 2 years
07:13 < kristian> hope this is not a problem is it?
07:13 < rxr> not that I know off
07:13 < kristian> great
07:19 < kristian> btw. do you know of a kernel problem that makes powerbooks sleep function fail - activation a kind of sleep-dummy mode with no way to wake up again? (from 2.6.12 to 15-rc5)
07:21 < rxr> the only problem I know of is, that some network monitoring facilty keeps the airport locked without a away to sleep, in that case the suspend console would still list sleeping orinoco (or airport) or so text
07:21 < rxr> but I never debugged that
07:22 < kristian> hmmkay
07:23 < rxr> ?
07:27 < kristian> just, okay then i will have a look on my problem when there is time = hmmkay
07:29 < kristian> so, hotplug++ is as a striped arm-cross file ~60 kbyte - which is nothing in relation to udev. :)
07:29 < rxr> mnemoc: the latest powerpc kernel require a change of the auto linux configuration stuff in t2 ... :-(
07:29 < rxr> they merged ppc and ppc64 into one powerpc dir and 64 bit is a config switch now - damn ...
07:30 < rxr> kristian: you know that you can built u/dev against dietlibc as welll
07:30 < rxr> it is not that fat then as well
07:32 < kristian> i have not build against diet libc - but uclibc - i think
07:34 < rxr> of course I did not wanted to stop you using hotplug++ ,-)
07:34 < rxr> what distribution do you want to use it on ?
07:35 < kristian> it is a small from scratch system on an 16 MB embedded omap platform
07:47 < kristian> to compare that with the same build environment for udev i am at 192 kbyte - which is suprisingly small for 9 files, located all over the poor file system.
08:08 < rxr> mnemoc: yay - kernel booted on the dual-core mac, finally ...
08:10 < rxr> guess I'll just NFS mount my rs6k root filesystem and start coping it onto it's HD ...
08:25 < CIA-8> rene * r13826 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
08:25 < CIA-8> * fixed example config of cups-pdf/ForcedUser.patch and adapted
08:25 < CIA-8> the archivista rootfs overlay likewise
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08:47 < kristian> so, hotplug-ng (incl. my changes for automount of mmc/sd) is less then 20 kB...
08:48 < kristian> stripped even 4.5 kB
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08:48 < rxr> automount from hotplug ?
08:48 < rxr> btw. you do want to use class, static /dev nodes?
08:52 < kristian> rxr well, i am sthinking 'bout this - since my task is only to implement automount
08:54 < rxr> "your task"?
08:55 < kristian> i am an intern and not teamleader in an offshore dev-team - so it is really hard for me to take any decisions. :(
08:56 < rxr> "offshore dev-team" ?
08:58 < kristian> we are the code-slaves for a canadian headquarter - in shanghai
08:58 < rxr> mh hm
09:00 < kristian> actually my teamleader wants me to implement an kernelthread for that task...
09:00 < rxr> aha
09:00 < rxr> kristian: working longer for them?
09:00 < kristian> since 1 month now
09:01 < kristian> for 4 more months they offered me to join after finishing my studyes
09:20 < CIA-8> rene * r13827 /trunk/architecture/powerpc64/ (config.in gcc-options.in):
09:20 < CIA-8> * fixed powerpc64 G5 optimization option and to default to powerpc64
09:20 < CIA-8> for generic to get 64bit binaries in that case
09:37 < mipe> morning all
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11:03 < VX> hloall
11:40 < VX> wb, karasz :)
11:40 < karasz> hello VX
11:40 < karasz> moin all
11:40 < karasz> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6173441864.html
11:40 < karasz> ^^ nice
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12:08 < rxr> rehi
12:08 < rxr> hi karasz
12:09 < karasz> hello rxr
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12:53 < CIA-8> rene * r13829 /trunk/package/security/nmap/nmap.desc: * updated nmap (3.93 -> 3.95)
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13:28 < mnemoc> rehi
13:28 < VX> hello, mnemoc
13:28 < mnemoc> hi VX
13:29 < rxr_> moin mnemoc
13:29 -!- You're now known as rxr
13:29 < rxr> mnemoc: the dual core max saw some linux bits this morning
13:30 < rxr> unfortunatly I have to continue archivista atuff now - thus real system deployment delays
13:30 < mnemoc> rxr: how many minutes? :)
13:30 < rxr> inf. - just paniced due to no root
13:30 < rxr> but it should work otherwise
13:30 < mnemoc> :D
13:30 < VX> wanna:>
13:31 < VX> mnemoc, rxr: http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1088-desktop.png
13:31 < rxr> but the fan control does not work yet - so the fans power to 100% after 2 minutes (or on control signal generated by the kernel and then the cooling system entering emergency mode)
13:31 < rxr> and with 100% power on the fans the box is noisy ...
13:31 < mnemoc> power bill reaching sky
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13:45 < nzg> moin
13:45 < VX> moin, nzg
13:46 < nzg> finally i got my connection *g*
13:46 < mnemoc> nzg! wb
13:47 < nzg> mnemoc: thx, hi
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14:00 < VX> hm
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14:04 < rxr> hi nzg
14:04 < rxr> mnemoc: nah - the cpus keep cool - just the fans spinning - the fans do not eat that much power ....
14:04 < nzg> hi rxr
14:05 < Xenos> rxr
14:05 < Xenos> any news about scr-page? :)
14:06 < mnemoc> scr-page?
14:06 < mnemoc> hi rxr!
14:06 < rxr> screenshots
14:06 < mnemoc> :)
14:07 < rxr> Xenos: no time right now - a dozen of things on the high priority todo
14:07 < Xenos> i see.. ok, tell me, when it will be finished
14:07 < Xenos> i'll send u a new scr :)
14:11 < CIA-8> rene * r13830 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/ (etc/conf/kernel sbin/init.d/system):
14:11 < CIA-8> * removed unfunctional modprobe from archivista/rootfs overlay and
14:11 < CIA-8> moved the forced load of sg and st to conf/kernel where it belongs
14:11 < rxr> Xenos: jups - just fill my inbox
14:11 < rxr> Xenos: I'll use them when I do that section
14:11 < Xenos> kk ;)
14:11 < rxr> please use a verbose subject including screenshot and t2 -)
14:14 < Xenos> i'll try
14:14 < Xenos> :)
14:14 * rxr praying to get a sgi system board for 1EUR on ebay and a cpu for 9.95EUR ,-)
14:14 < rxr> to get this instable Octane stable ...
14:14 < mnemoc> :)
14:16 < karasz> rxr did you got the patches from benh?
14:16 < karasz> ML stuff is in sync with that?
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14:20 < Xenos> hi, demian
14:21 * rxr will be on the x-mas party of http://golem.de ,-)
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14:28 < owl> moin
14:28 < Xenos> moin, owl
14:37 < mnemoc> KDE Security Advisory: kpdf/xpdf multiple integer overflows
14:37 < mnemoc> Original Release Date: 2005-12-07
14:38 < valentin> moin
14:38 < mnemoc> KDE 3.2.0 up to including KDE 3.5.0
14:38 < mnemoc> KOffice 1.3.0 up to including KOffice 1.4.2
14:38 < mnemoc> nice
14:38 < mnemoc> wb valentin
14:38 < mnemoc> owl!
14:38 < valentin> hi mnemoc
14:38 < valentin> kerstins BIOS runs amok :(
14:38 < rxr> mnemoc: any xpdf based stuff is affected
14:38 < rxr> hi valentin
14:38 < valentin> hi rxr
14:39 < mnemoc> rxr: oh
14:39 < rxr> valentin: open windows, throw the bios thru it ...
14:39 < rxr> valentin: amok in what way ?
14:39 < valentin> i do not know if this will fix it
14:39 < valentin> i had a config checksum error and the bios started beeping alarm
14:40 < valentin> i reseted the config and restored everything. now all works fine, but the bios still beeps all the time the system is up
14:40 < rxr> cmos battery most probably empty
14:41 < valentin> fear so...
14:41 < rxr> the bios beeps all the time ?
14:41 < valentin> yes
14:41 < valentin> seems to be an hardware-wired alarm beep
14:42 < valentin> no chance to turn it of, even under linux
14:42 < rxr> usually pie sea BIOSes beep on over temperature ...
14:42 < valentin> from the first second you turn it on ?
14:42 < demian> hi, thanks Xenos
14:42 < Xenos> :)
14:42 < valentin> could be a fan warning
14:43 < rxr> yep
14:43 < Xenos> hello, valentin
14:43 < rxr> maybe some fan not spinning ?
14:43 < valentin> but there is no error message / warning at all on startup
14:43 < valentin> hi Xenos
14:43 < valentin> rxr: i will check...
14:43 < valentin> but maybe it is a cmos battery broken/empty warning
14:44 < rxr> never saw a pie sea BIOS beeping on that permanently
14:45 < demian> rxr: i saw it when there is iverheat
14:45 < demian> overheat
14:45 < rxr> demian: ack
14:46 < rxr> valentin: can I phone your shortly ?
14:46 < owl> hi mnemoc
14:46 * demian remember that he had to run to turn off his computer quickly when capted those beeps
14:46 < mnemoc> wb demian
14:47 < demian> mnemoc, owl. wish u a good pay pals.. going to work.
14:56 < owl> hi demian
14:57 * mnemoc still waiting for owl greeting
14:57 < owl> mnemoc: look above :)
14:58 < owl> (14:46)
14:58 < mnemoc> :D
14:58 < mnemoc> ok, forgiven :)
14:58 < owl> hehe ;)
15:06 < demian> i think that the hour told by owl will differ from the mnemoc one's (14:46)
15:06 < demian> :p
15:09 < mnemoc> [10:47:13] hi mnemoc
15:09 < mnemoc> but the hint helps to find the text anyway
15:18 < owl> yeah :)
15:18 < rxr> mnemoc: we are only 4 hours away ?
15:19 < mnemoc> on your winter, yes
15:19 < mnemoc> on your summer at 6
15:23 < rxr> thought it would be more ...
15:23 < mnemoc> nah, we are close :)
15:24 < rxr> hehe ,-)
15:32 < mnemoc> OT: rxr: efsd-2005-11-14.tar.bz2 and linux-mips-2.6.12-cvs.tar.gz still missing on gsmp
15:36 < rxr> hey - got a Octane CPU and mainboard
15:36 < rxr> about 9EUR each ,-)
15:36 < mnemoc> fair enough :)
15:37 < rxr> hehe
15:37 < rxr> plus I get 15EUR back for the instable Octane ...
15:37 < rxr> that was 80EUR + 15EUR shipping ,-)
15:37 < rxr> not too much investment for a new kind of architecture in the house ...
15:37 < rxr> plus some spare parts ,-)
15:38 * rxr hopefully those board and CPU will make a stability difference
15:38 < mnemoc> we will se :)
15:38 < mnemoc> see
15:40 < rxr> yep
15:40 < Xenos> hmm
15:40 * Xenos is looking for some nice wallpaper
15:40 < rxr> http://www.kodice.com/pekatus/tias/monograficos/Hale%20Berry/hale%20berry.htm
15:41 < Xenos> rxr: :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
15:42 < Xenos> i'm about abstract :)
15:46 < Xenos> gigi..
15:46 < Xenos> http://www.linuxsoft.cz/en/wredirect.php?id_download=419
15:46 < Xenos> :)
15:49 < rxr> mnemoc: wonderful - I execute modprobe st in the system init and the f*cked module get's not loaded
15:49 < rxr> mnemoc: manually it works
15:49 < rxr> strange world ...
15:50 < rxr> I think I inject a strace hammer into init for testing ...
15:50 < rxr> grummel
15:50 < rxr> with such stuff I need fresh tea - bbl
15:51 < Xenos> cu, rxr
15:52 < rxr> Xenos: ouhm - your pic is naked ...
15:52 < rxr> my link was more decent
15:52 < Xenos> :)))
15:52 < Xenos> but mine
15:52 < Xenos> with a penguin
15:52 < Xenos> :>>>>
15:52 < rxr> discreet even
15:52 < rxr> not decent
15:53 < mnemoc> what else could you expect from someone self called 'tits in spanish', and vixen on his free time
15:53 < rxr> lol
15:53 < rxr> hey - I need to work - not fall laughing from the chair ...
15:53 < mnemoc> :)
15:54 < Xenos> ?)))))))))))))
15:54 < Xenos> argh
15:54 < Xenos> (
15:54 < Xenos> sorry for frst "ru" symbol
15:54 < Xenos> :)
15:54 < mnemoc> \u0416
15:58 < Xenos> argh, mnemoc
15:58 < Xenos> :)
15:58 * Xenos is going to be VX again..
16:02 < karasz> ftp://mirror.linuxsoft.cz/wallpapers/272/full_Dall-TC-for_KDE.jpg
16:02 < karasz> ^^ what is that?
16:03 < rxr> mroe p00rn ?
16:03 < karasz> hmmm... i guess not...
16:03 < rxr> no idea - looks strange
16:03 < karasz> kinda cool but yes very strange
16:04 < demian> what? COMMITED revision in svn working copy?
16:04 < karasz> i cannot imagine the inner world of the guy or girl who draw that
16:04 < karasz> and i guess i do not want to imagine that....
16:04 < Xenos> :)
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16:12 < valentin> rxr: still got those linuxbabe wallpaper i found years ago ?
16:14 < rxr> sure
16:15 < rxr> I even inserted a third one to increase our google ranking ,-)
16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/
16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_1.jpg
16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_2.jpg
16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_2.1.png
16:16 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_3.jpg
16:16 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_4.jpg
16:16 < mnemoc> .oO( rxr on pr0n mode? )o
16:16 < rxr> mnemoc: neither porn nor mode ,-)
16:16 < Xenos> :))
16:16 < rxr> those humans have clothes coverint the most interesting parts ,-)
16:17 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux-ready-for-the-future.png
16:17 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_ft.jpg
16:18 < valentin> rxr: most of those shirt-prints look like quite unprofessional digital photo manipulations
16:20 < valentin> 2.1 is the only one that looks realistic on the first sight
16:20 < rxr> valentin: of course they are
16:21 < rxr> valentin: don't let kerstin catch you while you have such pictures on the screen ,-)
16:22 < valentin> why ? she was standing right behind me...
16:22 < mnemoc> oops
16:23 < mnemoc> now she knows rene's dark side
16:23 < valentin> well, i found 2.1 first
16:23 < rxr> mnemoc: my dark side to increate google rank ,-)
16:23 < mnemoc> :)
16:24 < valentin> she is allowed to have a good looking man with a tux as a wallpaper, too
16:24 < rxr> there are month where those files are top hit on gsmp ,-)
16:24 < valentin> hehe
16:24 < mnemoc> hehe
16:24 < mnemoc> apropos gsmp, can you add: IndexOptions +NameWidth=* ?
16:25 < rxr> yep
16:25 < valentin> kerstin wants to know where to get such a picture ...
16:26 < rxr> # find -name .htaccess
16:26 < rxr> ./ftp/rock-empty-left-for-scripts/.htaccess
16:26 < rxr> ok - now I know why this stopped working ...
16:27 < rxr> file moved and some obsolete lines commented out
16:28 < mnemoc> nice, now i can avoid my stupid file hierarchy
16:31 < mnemoc> or someone likes it?
16:32 < rxr> classpath and pixie are the most memory intensive compile taks I think
16:34 < mnemoc> http://opensource.mit.edu/papers/sturmer.pdf
16:36 < rxr> topic ?
16:37 < mnemoc> no, i just go that paper on one ML
16:37 < mnemoc> and looking interesting
16:37 * rxr meant topic of that paper ,-)
16:39 < mnemoc> Open Source Community Building
16:39 < rxr> ,-)
16:39 < rxr> neat
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16:39 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
16:39 [ CIA-8 ] [ karasz ] [ mtr_ ] [ SerWou ] [ Xenos ]
16:39 [ demian ] [ kristian] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
16:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
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16:43 < misl> hi folks
16:43 < rxr> hi misl
16:44 < demian> hello misl
16:44 < misl> hi rxr, demian :)
16:44 < misl> http://pbskids.org/teletubbies/favouritethings.html
16:45 < misl> :) my son wants to o-oh
16:45 < rxr> o-oh
16:46 < demian> rxr: i stay with linux_babe_2.1.
16:46 < rxr> demian: stay or use since today ?
16:47 < misl> linux_babe ?
16:48 < rxr> 16:12 < valentin> rxr: still got those linuxbabe wallpaper i found years ago ?
16:48 < rxr> 16:14 < rxr> sure
16:48 < rxr> 16:15 < rxr> I even inserted a third one to increase our google ranking ,-)
16:48 < rxr> 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/
16:48 < rxr> 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_1.jpg
16:48 < rxr> 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_2.jpg
16:48 < rxr> 16:15 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_2.1.png
16:48 < rxr> 16:16 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_3.jpg
16:48 < rxr> 16:16 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/files/linux_babe_4.jpg
16:52 < misl> hehe nice pics
16:56 < demian> umm.. hell with software patents.. :s
16:56 < rxr> demian: ?
16:58 < demian> got some troubles here in CR because of a free commerce deal between USA and CR.. MS patents will apply for software developed in costa rica.
16:58 < demian> and that means a high wall for costa rica developers.
16:59 < rxr> oh my god ....
16:59 < rxr> damn thing
16:59 < rxr> go demo - we did the same in europe the last years ...
16:59 < demian> but the stupid government here dunno so much about how important it is..
17:00 < demian> anyways.. here comes the open source then..
17:00 < demian> :D
17:03 < rxr> demo 'til they know
17:03 < rxr> write your representatives in your area and so on
17:15 < CIA-8> rene * r13831 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/ (8 files in 3 dirs):
17:15 < CIA-8> * improved archivista target to always run exim, but bound to the loop
17:15 < CIA-8> interface by default, changed outgoing mail config to reconfig exim
17:15 < CIA-8> on-the-fly, adapted update procedure and system status accordingly
17:18 < mnemoc> exim :)
17:19 < rxr> yes ?
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17:21 < rxr> just not the mailer of choice for you or s.th. else ?
17:22 < mnemoc> nah, no problem
17:23 * rxr still wonders what you smiled about ,-)0
17:28 < ojh> I am still getting an odd error when trying to build PHP.
17:28 < ojh> == 08:31:16 =[9]=> Building develop/php [5.0.4 2.1.0].
17:28 < ojh> -> Parallel build using 2 jobs enabled.
17:28 < ojh> -> Compiler Cache enabled: 82.96% cache hits so far.
17:28 < ojh> -> JAVA_HOME set to blackdown-jdk
17:28 < ojh> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
17:28 < ojh> /usr/src/t2-src/package/develop/php/php.conf: line 27: [: : integer expression expected
17:28 < ojh> -> Preparing build in src.php.default.20051208.083114.4804.localhost
17:28 < ojh> -> Creating backup of old package data.
17:28 < ojh> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/9-php.out
17:28 < ojh> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 0.00% (0 hits, 0 misses)
17:28 < ojh> -> $root/var/adm/logs/9-php.out -> 9-php.err
17:28 < ojh> == 12/08/05 08:31:37 =[9]=> Aborted building package php.
17:30 < ojh> Any help with this error appreciated.
17:31 < mnemoc> minute
17:31 < ojh> THX :-)
17:32 < mnemoc> grep SDECFG_PKG_PHP config/$config/config
17:34 < mnemoc> are you doing Build-Target or Emerge-Pkg?
17:34 < ojh> Emerge
17:34 < ojh> That var not in my config
17:35 < mnemoc> php.conf needs some config vars.... yuck
17:35 < mnemoc> so, run Config, and add php to pkgsel
17:35 < mnemoc> so Config creates the needed vars for php
17:36 < mnemoc> same ugly code on trunk... i'll try to fix it
17:39 < ojh> Does the add package rule in Config expect a line of sed like the target package files?
17:39 < mnemoc> no, pkgsel rules
17:40 < mnemoc> X php for example
17:40 < ojh> IC'
17:40 < ojh> IC: X/O
17:41 < mnemoc> XO-
17:41 < ojh> OK :-
17:41 < ojh> )
17:41 < ojh> Now, that build looks right.
17:43 < ojh> I know that its a bit off topic, but I have a page and screen mockup of ZDE on line for thoes interested: http://zirconium.xisystems.net/
17:43 < rxr> ,-)
17:43 < rxr> *click*
17:45 < CIA-8> rene * r13832 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (mail-config.sh update-restore.sh update-store.sh):
17:45 < CIA-8> * added mail notification configuration to the archivista target incl.
17:45 < CIA-8> the assocated update/restore cycle code
17:48 < ojh> Discussion board for ZDE if you have comments: http://xisystems.net/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=2
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18:06 < demian> rxr: seems patents will be approvated anyway.. ppl here wants to coy laws takes by europ and asia.
18:06 < demian> s/coy/copy
18:06 < demian> because of insecurity.
18:06 < rxr> we have no software patents in europe
18:06 < rxr> rejected some month ago after years of demonstrations against it
18:06 < demian> oh.
18:06 < demian> didnt know that..
18:06 < rxr> still there are streams trying to push them - but we'll continue to protest those ...
18:09 < demian> ic
18:10 < demian> so competely there are no software patents in europe at all ?
18:10 < rxr> yes - according to current law they are invalid
18:11 < rxr> you can not pattent storries, ideas or other abstract things here
18:11 < rxr> valentin usual knows more details
18:13 < rxr> e.g. you can patent a more efficiont switching freqency modulator for eletric engines - but not a mathematic formular used in it alone
18:14 < rxr> those patents should die out anyway
18:14 < rxr> worst crap people ever came up with
18:14 < rxr> how would we be if people would have patent tables, chairs, forks, knife, ... or childrens bedtime storries ...
18:15 < rxr> get the "one knife (tm)" for the special 199EUR price today - alternatives: none - or what?
18:15 < rxr> in theory "Bosch" has patented the "if"-conditional and another strange company XOR, and so on ...
18:16 < rxr> nice world that would be if such patents could be enforced ...
18:18 < demian> :s
18:18 < rxr> if soft patents ever come into the EU, I'm the fist one stopping developing and just sitting registering one stupid, trivial idea after the other submitting those and collecting money from all the companies obvously using those ideas ...
18:19 < rxr> another cool thing: apple got sued by a company holding a patent for a "digial music jukebox" which they claim apple is violating with their iPod ...
18:19 < demian> yes.. i remember the words froma teacher 3 years ago..
18:20 < demian> ".. most of my money doesnt come from my shoppping stores.. it comes because i stolen ideas that people is currently using,,"
18:20 < ojh> rxr: Problems with patents is that they are ment to apply to a specific implamentation. In software such a classic patent is meaningless becuse you can always create a diferent algarythm to do exactly the same. So the patene system has truely outsteped its intent when applied to software. But the REALLY, REALLY evil patenes are the ones on data formats - the ones ment to keep The Monolopy in power.
18:21 < rxr> in fact I find mechanical patents equally stupid
18:21 < rxr> magine a wine bottle opener - you can always come up with a simmilar mechanery if you want to build something stylish
18:21 < demian> the paper to clean ur ass..
18:21 < rxr> yet there exist several patents on specific ways to open the bottle in one way or another ...
18:22 < rxr> the same applies of course for other stuff like car engines and so on ...
18:22 < demian> patents are all shit,
18:23 < demian> maybe the owner of such a patent died a long time ago and people continues milited.
18:23 < rxr> if you put brain power on a problem you always get a solution - and when Porsche has a specific harder material or so first they can market it and the other companies will ever need to time and money reinvent the machinery to build simillar stuff ...
18:23 < demian> s/milited/limited
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18:35 < valentin> re
18:37 < sparc-kly> hi valentin
18:37 < valentin> ojh: sw-pats never apply to a very special implementation
18:37 < valentin> they include that one implementation, but the bigger idea is patented
18:39 < demian> according to Ballmer, Linux violates 275 software patents
18:40 < valentin> could be even more Balmer did not know of
18:40 < ojh> valentin: That's exactly why pattents should not apply - any more then to a mathmatical equasion or biolocal discovery. Unfortinatly corperate interests have made patent definations way too wide for the greater interest of science. :-(
18:40 < valentin> microsoft permanently violate patents, too. so does anyone developing complex applications
18:40 < demian> sure. he says they will try to make all possible to make effective those softpats to linux!
18:41 < demian> microsoft bussiness are partnerships and softpatents
18:41 < valentin> will cut som potatoes now...
18:44 < ojh> Yes, in the software world (at lease here in the USA) patents are used like nukes durring the cold war. If M$ starts firieing at IBM, Sun, etc. they will fire back with their patents and make for some VERY VERY rich lawers and cut into the bottom line of both companies.
18:46 < ojh> So, just like the Cold War small small proxy wars are started by the agressors - SCO comes to mind . . .
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18:49 < rxr> all my genes are patented (tm) :-(((
18:59 < ojh> rxr: I do find patents on DNA and other life science discoveries extreamly immoral my self. What right does any man have to claim ownership of an invention of the Creator? (Not to drag any sort of theological debates into this, but I beleve in God as the Creator)
18:59 < rxr> ojh: ack
19:00 < ojh> rxr: Just personal opinion on the matter . . . .
19:01 < rxr> nah - not just the God part - even people not believing on a God must admit that patenting to "have found something" is just invalid
19:01 < rxr> it was there, anyone could have find it ...
19:02 < ojh> rxr: Exactly - reguardless of theological convictions. ;-)
19:02 < rxr> oops
19:03 < rxr> I just backuped my t2-trunk checkout on the 500Mhz Archivista box testing the net backup
19:03 < rxr> no wonder NFS copy took some time ...
19:03 < rxr> *g*
19:03 < rxr> though something stinks here, performance wise
19:03 < rxr> the obx is only able to push 800kB thru the ethernet ...
19:04 < rxr> though only 25% cpu load ...
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19:04 < rxr> reading from external firewire the box is booted from, pushing to my IBM RS6K router ...
19:04 < rxr> oh - my router is loaded 1.8 ...
19:04 < rxr> two nfs threads eating over 20 % each ...
19:05 < rxr> ok - even three ....
19:05 < rxr> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ Command
19:05 < rxr> 17432 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 24.1 0.0 0:20.84 nfsd
19:05 < rxr> 17431 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 20.9 0.0 0:44.08 nfsd
19:05 < rxr> 17430 root 15 0 0 0 0 S 11.4 0.0 0:41.53 nfsd
19:06 < rxr> reiserfs nearly filled, in such situation reiserfs v3 slows down also ...
19:07 < rxr> ok - al least noone can claim I did not stressed the code ... ,-)
19:11 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:12 < rxr> sent 112199204 bytes received 1292344 bytes 208050.50 bytes/sec
19:12 < rxr> total size is 108078414 speedup is 0.95
19:12 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_
19:13 < _Ragnar_> moin moin :)
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19:39 < CIA-8> rene * r13833 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (.fluxbox/menu mail-config.sh):
19:39 < CIA-8> * added the outgoing mail notification setup the the archivista
19:39 < CIA-8> menu and updated the other mail server entries
19:41 < CIA-8> rene * r13834 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (backup.sh net-backup.in net-backup.sh):
19:41 < CIA-8> * implemented utilizing the mail notification config in archivista
19:41 < CIA-8> to mail out the backup status and made net-backup rsync output
19:41 < CIA-8> more readable (and less verbose) and fixed net-backup to error
19:41 < CIA-8> out more gracefully if it was not configured properly
19:55 < karasz> ping
19:56 < rxr> pong
19:59 < karasz> :(
19:59 < karasz> DNS servers down again?
19:59 < rxr> which ones ?
19:59 < karasz> god i love my ISP
20:00 < karasz> i can't get any web page loaded...
20:00 < karasz> but chatzilla works so i guess that DNS servers down again at my ISP
20:02 < _Ragnar_> why don't you run your own dns cache?
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20:43 < rxr> ah - finally
20:43 < rxr> found out how to trick exim for this esiest as possible joe user experienc archivista box ,-)
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20:47 < karasz> _Ragnar_: because I am stupid
20:48 < Xenos> karasz: hello
20:48 < karasz> hi Xenos
20:49 < rxr> karasz: setting up bind for this is not too complex
20:49 < rxr> just cut'n pasting a good HOWTO
20:50 < CIA-8> rene * r13835 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/exim/configure:
20:50 < CIA-8> * made archivista exim accept any unrouteable mail as local mail if
20:50 < CIA-8> the user matches, removed a obsolete comment line and update the
20:50 < CIA-8> description text of the config overlay
20:50 < karasz> rxr: i didn't say that i do not know how
20:50 < karasz> i just said that i am stupid ;)
20:50 < karasz> fot not doing that allready
20:51 < karasz> s/fot/for
20:51 < rxr> karasz: ,-)
20:51 < rxr> i usually just switch to the uni nameserver when I'm somewhere where DNS is messed up ..
20:58 < rxr> ouhm - switching thru the dvb channels while waiting for a remote squashfs finishes
20:58 < rxr> on some station there are tv commercials from the '70
20:58 < rxr> unbelievable how bad those first color tv transmissions have been
20:58 < rxr> looks like a blur with radius 5 was thrown over the frames ...
20:59 < rxr> some stuff is that blurry you can only imagine what it looked like ...
21:00 < rxr> and I found DVB-T MPEG2 too blocky ...
21:07 < _Ragnar_> *g*
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21:23 < rxr> Microsoft Delays Next Internet Explorer Release
21:24 < rxr> http://osnews.com
21:24 < rxr> sun: Niagara I Out the Door, Time for Niagara II
21:24 < rxr> I hope they will not name their T1 successor T2 ...
21:31 < Xenos> :)
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22:15 < CIA-8> amery * r13836 /branches/2.1/package/editors/emacs/emacs-amd64.patch: * fixed emacs to not patch configure.in because autoconf fail.
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22:30 < demian> bye. have fun
22:31 < mnemoc> cu demian
22:38 * rxr dinner
22:39 < rxr> oh - that late? damned
22:41 < rxr> mnemoc: finally got my rs6k live root image mounted (nfs root) and some user-space run on the shiny new g5
22:42 < mnemoc> cool :D
22:49 < karasz> :D
22:49 < karasz> ppc64 slowly gettin around isn't it? ;)
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22:56 < CIA-8> amery * r13837 /trunk/package/audio/marlin/ (. marlin.desc): * added marlin (0.9) - A sample editor for Gnome
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23:14 < rxr> valentin: have you f*cked up something on grum?
23:14 < rxr> wget ftp:// does not work out ...
23:14 < Xenos> :)
23:14 < Xenos> hm
23:15 < rxr> oh - my - the iptables output also looks like we should fix rocknet sometime soon
23:15 < valentin> rxr: nope - grum works as always ?
23:15 * Xenos sent the last scr to rene for the scr-page :)
23:19 < mnemoc> eclipse wont win me
23:20 < rxr> valentin: ignore it
23:20 < rxr> /me is in bed
23:20 < rxr> cu
23:20 < valentin> cu rxr
23:20 * valentin too
23:20 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr, valentin
23:21 < valentin> mnemoc: does marlin rock ?
23:21 < rxr> think it is a tiny tool
23:21 < rxr> rezound and audacity are quite nice
23:21 < rxr> rezound more so
23:21 < rxr> cu
23:21 < mnemoc> yes, very simple tool
23:21 < Xenos> bye, rxr
23:21 < mnemoc> xfce-style :)
23:22 < Xenos> :)
23:22 < valentin> yeah, i know rezound and audacity
23:22 < mnemoc> i hate wx, so audacity is banned
23:22 < mnemoc> i haven't tryied rezound or gsmp :p
23:22 < mnemoc> http://marlin.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
23:22 < Xenos> mnemoc: :)
23:22 < Xenos> http://newage.gcnet.ru/uploads/img-1099-desktop.png
23:23 < Xenos> try to look at every pixel of this screenshot ;)
23:24 < mnemoc> Xenos: if i have more that 1024x768 one day, i'll look for a more complex theme :)
23:24 < Xenos> :)
23:24 < mnemoc> very cool background
23:24 < mnemoc> is gaim's irc client to bad?
23:24 < Xenos> ?
23:25 < Xenos> to bad?
23:25 < mnemoc> bad
23:25 < Xenos> i use gaim
23:25 < Xenos> :)
23:25 < mnemoc> why xchat if gaim already there
23:25 < Xenos> gaim for me = gaim for icq
23:25 < Xenos> x-chat rulezzz the world ;>
23:25 < Xenos> in irc.. ;)
23:27 < Xenos> but mnemoc
23:28 < Xenos> what do u yhink about this desk?;)
23:28 < Xenos> *t
23:28 < mnemoc> very nice
23:28 < mnemoc> but not for me
23:28 < Xenos> not only a wallpaper
23:28 < Xenos> :)
23:30 < mnemoc> is the audio player xmms?
23:30 < Xenos> no
23:30 < Xenos> BMP
23:30 < Xenos> beep media player
23:30 < mnemoc> i added xmms2 short time ago, if you want to give it a try and add GUIs
23:30 < Xenos> :)
23:31 < mnemoc> bmp is not packages, send the patch :)
23:31 < Xenos> :)
23:31 < mnemoc> packaged*
23:31 < Xenos> i know
23:32 < mnemoc> so, send the patch
23:32 < Xenos> >
23:32 < Xenos> ?
23:32 < Xenos> stupid question: how?
23:32 < Xenos> :)
23:32 < Xenos> but BMP is no longer in development
23:33 < Xenos> the last version was 0.9.7.1
23:33 < mnemoc> http://beep-media-player.org/index.php/BMPx_Homepage <--- doesn't look dead
23:33 < Xenos> nono
23:33 < Xenos> it's a BMPx
23:33 < Xenos> based on client-server side
23:34 < Xenos> but bmp! - based on xmms
23:34 < mnemoc> well... add both
23:34 < Xenos> so bmpx seems to be xmms2
23:34 < Xenos> :)
23:34 < mnemoc> stop been passive :)
23:35 < Xenos> :)
23:35 < Xenos> :Xenos : stupid question: how?
23:35 < mnemoc> take a look into other .desc files...
23:35 < mnemoc> packaging is very simple on t2
23:35 < mnemoc> most packages only need .desc
23:36 < mnemoc> btw, after adding a new package you have to re-run Config (-oldconfig) before emerging it
23:36 < Xenos> emmm...
23:36 < Xenos> u mean
23:37 < Xenos> i should do it for me?
23:37 < Xenos> for myself
23:37 < Xenos> :)
23:37 < mnemoc> for you and then for us
23:37 < Xenos> then?
23:37 < mnemoc> when Emerge works for you, send a patch to add it officially
23:38 < Xenos> seems to be so difficult for me :)
23:38 < mnemoc> nope, it's not
23:39 < Xenos> i just installed bmp from sources..
23:39 < mnemoc> you can use misc/archive/newpackage.sh helper if you can't mkdir a vi yourself
23:39 < mnemoc> and vi*
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23:58 < Xenos> argh
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