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00:10 < jsaw> another one: http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/t2-logo-jsaw-004.jpg
00:11 < MisterN> n8
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00:13 < mnemoc> jsaw: looks like an university :)
00:13 < mnemoc> jsaw: did you see the three logos i added today?
00:14 < sepp> mnemoc: i really like the caterpillar but the more you add less its a logo :/
00:14 < sepp> it becomes way to complex
00:15 < mnemoc> me? i don't do them
00:15 < sepp> ok 
00:15 < sepp> :)
00:16 < sepp> imho a caterpillar as mascot is nice but for a 'real nice logo' its way to complex
00:18 < jsaw> mnemoc: yep. I expected a "human built" caterpillar...
00:19 < jsaw> a variation: http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/t2-logo-jsaw-006.jpg
00:20 < jsaw> hmmm, alsa-tools fails...?
00:20 < jsaw> alsa-tools-x86-64.patch <- Hunk #1 FAILED at 94.
00:22 < mnemoc> is ti still needed?
00:22 < jsaw> mnemoc: I dislike the basic idea of having a "mascot". Probably I've seen to many tux' the last years. Otherwise the idea is good.
00:22 < jsaw> mnemoc: the other way round, it's not needed but still there...
00:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: svn rm? :)
00:24 < jsaw> don't know, can it be really deleted? or should it be modified?
00:25 < mnemoc> you said "it's not needed but still there"
00:26 < jsaw> ups, no, I just reversed your sentence without thinking ... :)
00:27 < mnemoc> :)
00:38 < sepp> xgood night all 
00:38 < sepp> -x ;)
00:39 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp 
00:39 < jsaw> cu sepp 
01:04 < jsaw> mnemoc: http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/
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01:53 < jsaw> mnemoc: ping
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02:25 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13469 /trunk/package/network/isdn4k-utils/imake_appdef_hack.patch: * remove ancient app-defaults hack, this is resolved by following commits
02:28 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13470 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/ (modular-x-conf.in xorg-server.conf): 
02:28 < CIA-11> * fix inconsistent app-defaults directory handling by setting
02:28 < CIA-11>  the install wrapper to use etc/X11/app-defaults
02:28 < CIA-11> * make sure, the link to usr/X11/lib/X11/app-defaults is created
02:28 < CIA-11>  in this package (see also following commit)
02:30 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13471 /trunk/package/xorg/cf/ (X11R7.patch cf.conf link-conf-once.patch): 
02:30 < CIA-11> * do not patch site.def, instead create our own host.def
02:30 < CIA-11> * app-defaults dir defaults to /etc/X11/app-defaults
02:30 < CIA-11> * fix re-linking of usr/X11/lib/X11/app-defaults (don't do it if
02:30 < CIA-11>  it exists)
02:31 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13472 /trunk/package/develop/lua/lua.desc: * update lua (5.1-beta-rc -> 5.1-beta)
02:32 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13473 /trunk/package/contrib/joystick/joystick.desc: 
02:32 < CIA-11> * disable outdated joystick package
02:32 < CIA-11>  (not removed, because we should find or program
02:32 < CIA-11>  a replacement)
02:37 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13474 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-tools/alsa-tools-x86-64.patch: * remove x86-64 patch (does not apply and seems not necessary anymore)
02:38 < jsaw> rxr: maybe you want to teach mesa to create symlinks instead of copies of libGL/libGLw/libGLU?
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02:40 < jsaw> so far so good: 2110 builds total, 1169 completed fine, 1 with errors.
02:40 < jsaw>  [5] mail/nullmailer
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04:27 < mnemoc> jsaw: pong
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04:47 < madtux> hello
04:48 < mnemoc> hello
04:48 < madtux> Ale... still here... wow
04:49 < madtux> how is it going?
04:49 < mnemoc> fine, but tired
04:50 < mnemoc> and you? having fun at office during the night?
04:51 < madtux> i will... i must become office staff enemy tonight
04:54 < mnemoc> :)
04:55 < madtux> updating firewall/proxy restrictions tonight
05:01 < mnemoc> while you joy firefox/proxy rules updating, i'll sleep.... see you tomorrow :)
05:03 < mnemoc> firewall* :)
05:05 < jsaw> mnemoc: still awake... 
05:05 < jsaw> hi madtux 
05:05 < mnemoc> jsaw: yes :)
05:06 < jsaw> mnemoc: I put some more logo sketches online...
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05:06 < mnemoc> <jsaw> mnemoc: http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2/ <- ?
05:07 < jsaw> mnemoc: yes
05:07 < mnemoc> i don't like how TII looks like
05:08 < jsaw> .oO(will we ever find a common denominator?)
05:08 < jsaw> as I said, sketches...
05:08 < mnemoc> :)
05:08 < mnemoc> i like the idea, but i don't like the 'II'
05:09 < mnemoc> did you draw the machine on 009?
05:09 < jsaw> the last one, btw, has an abstract caterpillar in it
05:09 < jsaw> mnemoc: yes, but, taking a real one as basis (one layer below the drawing...)
05:10 < mnemoc> :)
05:10 < mnemoc> looks quite good
05:11 < mnemoc> yours are clearly more elegant than those i got :)
05:12 < mnemoc> the first is like 'brother' the printers branch
05:12 < jsaw> thanks.
05:17 < CIA-11> amery * r13475 /trunk/package/textproc/xmlstarlet/ (libgcrypt_a.diff xmlstarlet.conf): * fixed xmlstarlet to build if libxslt got linked against libgcrypt
05:18 < jsaw> re (damn dsl reconnect)
05:18 < mnemoc> jsaw: we didn't notice
05:18 < jsaw> mnemoc: oh, yeah, you're right, 'brother'...
05:19 < jsaw> mnemoc: irssi is running on my lab computer...
05:19 < mnemoc> :)
05:19 < mnemoc> my shell box is subject to 27h dsl reconnections :\
05:20 < jsaw> strange time!?
05:20 < mnemoc> to make it 'random'
05:20 < jsaw> okay, I have to force myself into bed...
05:21 < jsaw> htp20 is going down now, too
05:21 < mnemoc> same do i, but 4h earlier :)
05:21 < jsaw> hehe
05:22 < mnemoc> gn8 * ,-)
05:23 < jsaw> gn8 :)
05:23 < jsaw> cu later on
05:26 < CIA-11> amery * r13476 /branches/2.1/package/textproc/xmlstarlet/ (7 files): * merged 13466,13475 from trunk: added xmlstarlet (1.0.1) - a set of command line XML utilities
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07:16 < rxr> ffre
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08:30 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
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08:30 [Users #t2]
08:30 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw  ] [ owl] [ sepp  ] [ sparc-kly[g3]  ] [ valentin] 
08:30 [ CIA-11  ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr] [ SerWou] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] [ Xenos   ] 
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08:55 < mtr> moin
09:23 < mtr> mnemoc: r13306, disabling common tools is not an improvement ... ;-)
09:25 < mtr> mnemoc: why do you patch diffutils cmp away, it does neither harm nor interfere with embutils?
10:12 < mtr> _Ragnar_: you had 1-glibc errors, like __divdi3 already defined? you could try this: http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2005-11/msg00271.html patch? it works for me
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12:14 < valentin> moin
12:19 < karasz> moin all
12:42 < rxr> moin
12:44 < rxr> valentin: I forked mine today and fixed some box, one improvements and implemented installing any tarball ,-)
12:46 < valentin> :)
12:47 < rxr> but long-term is to throw the whole mine away of course
12:48 < valentin> of course
12:51 < rxr> oh - mdaned
12:51 < rxr> damned
12:53 < karasz> hi valentin rxr 
12:53 < rxr> hi karasz 
12:53 < rxr> hm - I wonder if there is s.th. wrong with the t2-update list
12:53 < karasz> rxr how is the livecd doing?
13:01 < rxr> ouhm
13:01 < rxr> I did not worked on it over the last 7 days
13:01 < rxr> but it is fine
13:03 < SerWou> hello
13:04 < rxr> hi SerWou 
13:04 < SerWou> how are you ?
13:05 < rxr> oh - mostly fine
13:05 < karasz> hi SerWou 
13:05 < rxr> SerWou: you are an css expert, right?
13:05 < SerWou> i know css, that's all ;)
13:05 < karasz> rxr which version should i dld, i want to install a T2 trunk on a new machine...
13:05 < rxr> can you tell me why using the modern layout there is a grey area at the bottom of:
13:05 < SerWou> i code website, mostly xhtml/css
13:05 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/
13:05 < rxr> when using the "modern" theme ?
13:06 < rxr> I move this footer -15 pixels or so higher, however this area is left empty
13:06 < SerWou> where exactly ?
13:06 < rxr> at the bottom
13:06 < rxr> (using the modern theme - alternative stylesheet)
13:07 < SerWou> the moderm one got a picture at the top witha couple of person, right ?
13:07 < rxr> yep
13:07 < rxr> hm - I think I workaround this in the html code
13:07 < rxr> moving the footer into the container ,-)
13:08 < SerWou> at the end, i see "Last modified: 2005-11-20 00:09 Copyright © 2004, 2005 The T2 Project"
13:08 < SerWou> and just below, a fast end of the page, missing a img i guess
13:08 < rxr> yes - I move this one -15px so it is on the white area
13:09 < rxr> nope - the gray is where the footer was before I move it -15px
13:10 < rxr> well - I fix the html code globally - so everything is in the container div ,-)
13:10 < rxr> then I do not have this effect
13:10 < rxr> however it would be nice to know that detail about css for the next time it happens where I do not want to alter the html code ...
13:11 < SerWou> by the way, Div should not be be used a lot, it should be only used for specific case, "Span" is the way to go in the most of case ;)
13:11 < SerWou> rxr, have you check my layout  ? http://serwou.free.fr/t2/test/
13:13 < rxr> yes - I took a look
13:13 < rxr> you modified the html code - anything against working from the current html base ?
13:13 < SerWou> well, i did from scratch ;)
13:13 < rxr> SerWou: oehm - aha
13:13 < rxr> SerWou: I would rather like to see "kind a" universal theme on top of the current code
13:14 < rxr> but of course other custom code is also useful to take a look on the layout
13:14 < rxr> what do you think about my css zen garden inspired modern layout ?
13:16 < SerWou> it's a great start, a good base, now, you should tweak the img, change it, make it smaller, reduce the logo and it will fully integrated to the layout imo
13:16 < SerWou> let me download the layout and see what i can do ;)
13:30 < karasz> rxr what should i download?
13:30 < karasz> i can't find anything else than builds from May
13:42 < SerWou> hum sorry rxr, it will be hard for me to generate a new layout based on your .css
13:54 < SerWou> BBL
13:56 < owl> moin
14:31 < karasz> moin owl
14:32 < owl> hi karasz 
14:37 < rxr> karasz: download ?
14:44 < karasz> the live cd
14:45 < karasz> you said that it is the most easy way to install a T2 trunk
14:46 < rxr> ah yeah
14:46 < rxr> let me rsync it onto gsmp
14:46 < karasz> oki
14:46 < karasz> i will wait than
14:51 < mnemoc> mtr: if embutils will replace coreutils, the tools are installed at /bin so they colide with some from 'tradicional packages'
14:51 < mnemoc> moin
14:54 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
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14:56 < mnemoc> moin rxr 
14:56 < CIA-11> amery * r13477 /trunk/package/base/embutils/ (3 files): * changed embutils disablers to only disable util-linux's write and diffutils's cmp if coreutils is not been built
14:56 < CIA-11> amery * r13477 /trunk/package/base/embutils/ (3 files): * changed embutils disablers to only disable util-linux's write and diffutils's cmp if coreutils is not been built
14:56 < mnemoc> o.o
14:56 < rxr> mnemoc: I hacked mine up to be able to install tar.gz, tar.bz2 and tar.lzo or anything else filtered tar datra
14:56 < rxr> as well as fixed a segfault
14:57 < rxr> a cosmetic verbose printout
14:57 < mnemoc> rxr: if you are hacking `mine` please add postinstall.d support :)
14:57 < karasz> hello mnemoc 
14:57 < karasz> :)
14:57 < rxr> and a response time until error case ...
14:57 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm
14:57 < mnemoc> hello karasz 
14:57 < rxr> mnemoc: this was just a quick hack for trunk
14:57 < mnemoc> ok
14:57 < rxr> I was about to obsolete mine as soon as I have enough time 
14:58 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/
14:58 < rxr> ^- minimal and modern style slightly improved
14:59 < mnemoc> rxr: ack, mine should die on 2.1.... on 2.2 at last
14:59 < karasz> guys there is something wrong
14:59 < rxr> die on 2.1 ?
14:59 < rxr> don't you consider that an ABI / API change ?
14:59 < karasz> 2 identical messages on irc and 4 identical mails on ML
15:00 < rxr> karasz: case solved already
15:00 < karasz> oki
15:00 < karasz> i just recived the 4 emails :(
15:02 < mnemoc> rxr: it will be for ever on 2.1. by 'die' i mean 'to not pass trought'
15:02 < karasz> hmmm i didn't realised until now that my town is sooo small
15:03 < karasz> ^^ nevermind that ^^
15:03 < mnemoc> :)
15:04 < mnemoc> rxr: i got 13477 notification four times
15:05 < karasz> :)
15:05 < karasz> rxr	karasz: case solved already
15:06 < karasz> bbl
15:08 < rxr> mnemoc: please report if it happens for the next one as well
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15:11 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
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15:30 < Xenos> hi all! :>
15:30 < Xenos> heh
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15:30 < Xenos> T2 rulezzz this world :>
15:31  * Xenos thanks rxr & the all devel-team
15:31 < Xenos> ;)
15:33 < karasz> hmmm i was thrown out :(
15:33 < karasz> mnemoc: do you have anything to do with that? :D
15:36 < mnemoc> [11:28:10] ùíù Signoff karasz: #t2 (Excess Flood)
15:36 < karasz> me excess flood?
15:36 < karasz> i did't type anything...
15:37 < karasz> :?
15:38 < karasz> mnemoc: you are GMT-6?
15:39 < mnemoc> no idea
15:39 < karasz> what time is now at youre place?
15:41 < mnemoc> [11:40:26] <karasz> what time is now at youre place?
15:41 < karasz> the time
15:41 < karasz> see your watch...
15:41 < mnemoc> see what i pasted
15:41 < karasz> aham
15:42 < karasz> GMT-3
15:51 < mtr> hi
15:58 < rxr> hi mtr 
15:59 < mtr> moin rene
16:05 < CIA-11> amery * r13478 /trunk/package/network/psi/langpack.sh: * added script to generate psi's [D] for langpacks
16:05 < CIA-11> amery * r13478 /trunk/package/network/psi/langpack.sh: * added script to generate psi's [D] for langpacks
16:05 < mnemoc> duplicated again...
16:07 < rxr> .o
16:08 < rxr> # kill 32209
16:08 < rxr> ok - now ,-)
16:08 < mnemoc> :D
16:08 < rxr> nullmailers fault ,-)
16:08 < mnemoc> :)
16:10 < mtr> mnemoc: missing cmp from diffutils broke linux26 @ desktop build
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16:11 < misl> just a quick visit :)
16:11 < misl> hi all
16:11 < mtr> and i fear i still do not get it, why diffutils/coreutils patching is necessary :-(
16:11 < mtr> hi misl 
16:11 < rxr> hi misl 
16:11 < misl> hi mtr, rxr :)
16:12 < CIA-11> amery * r13479 /trunk/package/network/psi/psi.desc: * fixed psi langpack [D]s, and added missing translations - generated using langpack.sh
16:12 < mnemoc> mtr: i changed embutils to only disable cmp form diffutils if coreutils is not enabled
16:13 < mtr> mnemoc: yep, thanks, i saw the commit a few hours ago
16:13 < mnemoc> mtr: because embutils includes a cmp, so if embutils is installed as alternative to coreutils yout get shares with bash, diffutils and util-linux
16:15 < rxr> mnemoc: so - mine can now handle .gz, .bz2, .lzo and vanilla .tar
16:15 < rxr> is that good enough ,-)
16:16 < mtr> mnemoc: hmm, ok, and you still need util-linux, so you cannot disable those in the target package selection?
16:16 < mnemoc> rxr: good enough would be to use it's own copy of the libraries
16:16 < rxr> hm ?
16:16 < mnemoc> mtr: util-linux is needed, only 'write' is on both
16:17 < mnemoc> rxr: afaik mine has 'local' copies of the libraries it needs
16:17 < rxr> yes
16:17 < rxr> you mean "not to" instead of "would" ?
16:18 < rxr> kdegraphics-3.4.x.tar
16:18 < rxr> real    0m0.772s user   0m0.072s sys    0m0.596s
16:18 < rxr> kdegraphics-3.4.x.tar.bz2
16:18 < rxr> real    0m3.467s user   0m0.060s sys    0m0.656s
16:18 < rxr> kdegraphics-3.4.x.tar.gz
16:18 < rxr> real    0m1.067s user   0m0.048s sys    0m0.608s
16:18 < rxr> kdegraphics-3.4.x.tar.lzo
16:18 < rxr> real    0m0.834s user   0m0.060s sys    0m0.588s
16:18 < rxr> unfortunatly I have no .gem handy ...
16:20 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, fingers out of control
16:20 < rxr> mnemoc: with my tweak bzip2 copy is obsolete 
16:20 < rxr> I will not patch the rest
16:20 < rxr> but work on getting mine++ out this month
16:21 < mnemoc> rxr: t2.geeks.cl/kdegraphics-3.4.2.gem
16:21 < rxr> mnemoc: just created one locally ,-)
16:21 < mnemoc> :)
16:21 < mnemoc> rm
16:21 < rxr> so I use the same tar load for all ,-)=
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16:23 < misl> cu all later
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16:27 < rxr> so - final data:
16:27 < rxr> kdegraphics-3.4.x.gem   real    0m3.575s user   0m0.072s sys    0m0.652s
16:27 < rxr> kdegraphics-3.4.x.tar   real    0m1.539s user   0m0.036s sys    0m0.688s
16:27 < rxr> kdegraphics-3.4.x.tar.bz2       real    0m3.541s user   0m0.068s sys    0m0.684s
16:27 < rxr> kdegraphics-3.4.x.tar.gz        real    0m1.128s user   0m0.064s sys    0m0.656s
16:27 < rxr> kdegraphics-3.4.x.tar.lzo       real    0m0.914s user   0m0.060s sys    0m0.640s
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16:28 < Postal> Hey All
16:28 < rxr> hey Postal 
16:28 < Postal> so i have t2 2.1.0-rc3 running on my box now
16:28 < Postal> my x86_64 box
16:29 < rxr> ,-)
16:29 < mnemoc> what happened to your SATA problem?
16:29 < Postal> hehe, i switched motherboards, and kernel 2.6 booted fine
16:29 < mnemoc> rxr: so .gem is bloat but not overhead
16:30 < Postal> asus board over chaintech...
16:30 < mnemoc> why rc3?
16:30 < rxr> mnemoc: compared to tar.bz2 .gem is even slower ...
16:30 < rxr> so, ...
16:31 < Postal> cause it was the only disc i could find at the time.. and my powerbook was in the car, and because i had switced motherboards, i could not boot anything but cd's on my x86_64
16:31 < mnemoc> rxr: not significativly slower
16:31 < rxr> well, - modern CPUs are good at moving data around ...
16:31 < jsaw> mnemoc: try the same on 128Mb, and...
16:31 < mnemoc> jsaw: :D
16:31 < jsaw> re
16:31 < rxr> I could benchmark on some SPARC @40Mhz if you wanna see bigger numbers ...
16:32 < rxr> moin jsaw 
16:32 < Postal> so what are we chatting about?
16:32 < rxr> mnemoc: the bench was on a AMD64, ...
16:32 < mnemoc> jsaw: tar.gz as default for rsync ISO replication.... tar.lzo for low profile machines and tar.bz2 for ... saving space?
16:32 < jsaw> rxr: is your data correct??
16:32 < jsaw> rxr: normal tar slower than with lzo compression ???
16:33 < rxr> that is what my for * loop yielded
16:33 < mnemoc> :)
16:33 < rxr> less data to read from the (2.5") disk ...
16:34 < jsaw> oh, io limit...
16:34 < rxr> the lzo people claim their lightweight compression is not much slower than a memcpy ...
16:34 < Postal> ok here is a question for all of you, now that I have the text based t2, i need to go about updating everything, and then installing x nvida drivers and all that.. so what is the update and the install commands?
16:35 < jsaw> Update-System?
16:35 < Postal> jsaw, that is the commond to update all the packages on the system?
16:36 < mnemoc> Postal: for specific updates use Emerge-Pkg
16:36 < Postal> this is for installing packages also mnemoc?
16:36 < jsaw> mnemoc: is it still in 2.1? (Update-*'s not in trunk)
16:36 < mnemoc> yes updates, and new builds
16:37 < mnemoc> jsaw: Update-System was dropped around march
16:37 < Postal> mnemoc.. why?
16:38 < mnemoc> Postal: becuase Emerge-Pkg does the same
16:38 < Postal> ok
16:38 < mnemoc> Postal: be sure you have a 'default' config with the same config that was used to build your machine
16:39 < Postal> prolly what I will do is install X and E17, and a few things that I need, and then update all the packages, that way... why do i need a default config, and how do i make sure that it is a default config?
16:40 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13480 /trunk/package/x11/xlockmore/ (xlockmore.conf xlockmore.desc): 
16:40 < CIA-11> * no disabling of PAM (seems outdated)
16:40 < CIA-11> * include modular-x-config.in (to set app-defaults path correctly)
16:40 < rxr> jsaw: I use xlockmore
16:41 < rxr> jsaw: I think there was something majorly broken in PAM support, that is why I disabled it IIRC
16:41 < jsaw> rxr: I hope so :)
16:41 < jsaw> rxr: README talks about PAM 0.74, we're now at 0.81 or so
16:41 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13481 /trunk/package/x11/xterm/xterm.desc: * include modular-x-config.in (to set app-defaults path correctly)
16:42 < mnemoc> Postal: copy /etc/ROCK-CONFIG/* to config/default/ first
16:42 < jsaw> rxr: send me a note if you experience problems, then I'll revert
16:42 < rxr> jsaw: well - or I really fix it this time then
16:42 < jsaw> :)
16:43 < mnemoc> more than a wrong pam.d/ file ?
16:43 < jsaw> no pam.d/ file at all 
16:44 < Postal> rxr, you need a modal verb in that sentance.. such as will
16:44 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea
16:44 < rxr> Postal: yeah - insert 'll then ,-)
16:45 < Postal> sorry... grammer I just like grammer
16:45 < Postal> just not spelling lol
16:46 < Postal> mnemoc, is it you that speaks español?
16:48 < mnemoc> Postal: yes, _castellano_ if my native language.
16:48 < rxr>  Makefile  |   19 +-------
16:48 < rxr>  install.c |  135 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--------------------
16:48 < rxr>  2 files changed, 96 insertions(+), 58 deletions(-)
16:48 < mnemoc> ?
16:48 < rxr> mine
16:48 < Postal> hmm Emerge-Pkg does not seem to be a command...
16:49 < CIA-11> rene * r13482 /trunk/package/archiver/mine/mine.desc: * updated mine (0.21 -> 0.23)
16:50 < mnemoc> Postal: over a t2-root with ./scripts/  as any other T2 command.
16:51 < Postal> so i need to svn up?
16:51 < CIA-11> rene * r13483 /trunk/package/archiver/mine/any-archiver.patch: 
16:51 < CIA-11> * fixed some mine bugs and added support to install vanilla tar balls
16:51 < CIA-11>  with any compression filter
16:52 < mnemoc> Postal: you need a working-copy of T2-2.1
16:52 < Xenos> :>
16:52  * Xenos have 2.1
16:52 < mnemoc> Xenos: good :)
16:52 < Xenos> his own t2, heh..
16:52 < Xenos> :>
16:52 < Postal> mnemoc, so if I svn up that would be fine?
16:52 < Xenos> i'll send u some scr soon
16:53 < mnemoc> Postal: Emerge-Pkg has been there for years, svn up wont change anything
16:54 < Postal> but how do i use the command without the source tree on my box?
16:55 < mnemoc> Postal:  <mnemoc> Postal: over a t2-root with ./scripts/  as any other T2 command. <mnemoc> Postal: you need a working-copy of T2-2.1
16:55 < mnemoc> rxr: 1-linux24 at amd64 problem seems to be a bug on the toolchain
16:55 < Postal> can we define a working copy of T2..
16:56 < Postal> cause i though that I had a working copy after i finished the install with the CD
16:56 < mnemoc> Postal: svn co    or tarball from the source on worse case
16:56 < mnemoc> Postal: you should have the source used to build your target on /usr/src/t2-src
16:57 < Postal> ok
16:57 < mnemoc> Postal: why did you install rc3 instead of 2.1.0?
16:57 < Postal> well i have svn co
16:57 < Postal> cause i could not find the other disc and at the time had no way to get the iso for the 2.1.0
16:58 < mnemoc> 2.1.0-rc3 has gcc 3.4.3 and 2.1.0 has gcc 3.4.4
16:58 < Postal> why no 4.0.1?
16:58 < Xenos> ...
16:59 < Xenos> oh eh.. did u want to use unstable version?..
16:59 < mnemoc> Postal: 2.2 will have gcc 4.0
16:59 < Xenos> i think 4.* currently less stable..
16:59 < Postal> is it in head?
16:59 < mnemoc> in trunk's head yes.
16:59 < mnemoc> it wont ever be on T2 2.1
17:00 < mnemoc> Xenos: what's \u2026 ?
17:00 < Xenos> ?
17:00 < Xenos> ahm
17:00 < Xenos> it's "..."
17:00 < mnemoc> thanks
17:00 < Xenos> 3 dots
17:01 < Postal> ok, so my source is in /t2-trunk, if i do a ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg, will this install the package in the system, or in the t2-trunk folder?
17:01 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg builds on system
17:01 < Postal> ok
17:01 < Postal> well here we go
17:01 < Xenos> heh
17:01 < Xenos> 2.6.11
17:01 < mnemoc> good luck
17:01 < Xenos> :>
17:02 < mnemoc> 2.6.11.12 :)
17:02 < Xenos> =)
17:02 < mnemoc> maybe 2.6.13.* some day, but not now
17:02 < Xenos> but my opinion has rechanged..
17:03 < mnemoc> ?
17:03 < Xenos> i'm currently on 2.6
17:03 < Xenos> not 2.4 :)
17:03 < mnemoc> :)
17:03 < Xenos> & it's fine
17:03 < Postal> what is the x.org package name?
17:03 < mnemoc> xorg on trunk is xorg 7, which is a whole repo, not a package
17:04 < Postal> cool
17:04 < mnemoc> on 2.1 we have 6.8.2, as xorg _package_
17:05 < Xenos> heh
17:05 < Xenos> nice roadmap
17:05 < Postal> well, if i type ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg xorg, it says no such package
17:05 < Xenos> 3.0 release (2006++)
17:05 < Xenos> ;>
17:05 < mnemoc> Postal: because it's a repository, and not a package.
17:05 < rxr> Postal: you are at trunk
17:06 < rxr> you should use branches/2.1 to build on 2.1 ...
17:06 < rxr> and yes I should inject new cache files into trunk ...
17:06  * rxr doing that now ...
17:06 < mnemoc> rxr: please include stage 9 on your reference builds
17:06 < mnemoc> rxr: so we have good data for dynamic priorization
17:07 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - ack
17:07 < rxr> I'll also look for denoised build time and such ...
17:07 < rxr> so we can commit .cache very often without touching every file ...
17:08 < mnemoc> rxr: multiples of 'binutils' build time as LFS?
17:08 < rxr> yes - something like that
17:08 < rxr> or the build tools so we have it from the first build on ...
17:09 < Postal> could i recompile my system using trunk
17:09 < mnemoc> tools are short... so division gives big numbers
17:09 < mnemoc> Postal: at your own risk
17:09 < Postal> isnt it more fun when its at your own risk lol
17:10 < Postal> i will ask this though.. is x86_64 know to break at trunk?
17:11 < rxr> mnemoc: okok
17:11 < rxr> so 0-binutils
17:11 < mnemoc> rxr: if you want to denoise :)
17:12 < mnemoc> OT: rxr: why do we have pixieplus package?
17:13 < rxr> no idea off hand
17:13 < rxr> why do you ask ?
17:13 < CIA-11> rene * r13484 /trunk/package/shells/rc/rc.conf: * fixed r12819 by adding the rc.conf forgotten to add at that time
17:14 < CIA-11> rene * r13485 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xcfgt2.init: * fixed typo in xcfgt2.init
17:15 < mnemoc> rxr: because it broken (gcc issues) and claims "A stable version is included in the KDE2.1 "kdegraphics" package..."
17:15 < CIA-11> rene * r13486 /trunk/package/filesystem/dvhtool/dvhtool.desc: * added dvhtool to stage 1 since needed to boot certain systems
17:16 < mnemoc> ooo grow from 66M to 182M when it become multilingual...
17:17 < CIA-11> rene * r13487 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.conf: * install xcfgt2.init
17:17 < rxr> mnemoc: nice - does it work with multiling ?
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17:17 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm burning an ISO to try now
17:17 < rxr> mnemoc: this info is outdated
17:17 < rxr> there is no pixie in kde
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17:17 < Postal1> So I am a little confused..
17:17  * mnemoc asking kde maintainer about the solution
17:17 < rxr> and the pixie we have is a 3d rendered not the graphic toy pixieplus is
17:18 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess they will hit you
17:18 < mnemoc> kde maintainer at t2 :)
17:18 < rxr> mnemoc: ah - ok
17:18 < rxr> Postal1: svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1
17:18 < mnemoc> grep '^\[M' *G*
17:18 < rxr> or switch to ....
17:19 < mnemoc> i guess he want to change his 2.1 machine into a 2.2-alpha machine
17:19 < rxr> Postal1: are you sure you wanna mix stable with devel ?
17:19 < rxr> I strongly advice you do gain some t2 experience on stable before you get your hands dirty on trunk ...
17:19 < Postal1> rxr, no i will prolly build a new target on my other harddrive using thsi build
17:20 < rxr> valentin: netconf names are mixed up - the pkg is named knetconf and installs a netconf binary
17:20 < rxr> valentin: I have such a patch here (for the latest livecd build): package/network/knetconf/name.patch
17:21 < Postal1> rxr, is it a bad idea to mix stable and devel?
17:21 < rxr> valentin: can we alter that naming and at least install a knetconf binary and maybe rename the pkg so people can add a gnome version ...
17:21 < rxr> Postal1: not necessarily - just some t2 experience recommended to do so ,-)
17:22 < CIA-11> rene * r13488 /trunk/target/livecd/pkgsel: * added ooo and it's dependencies to the livecd pkgsel
17:23 < mnemoc> rxr: you can override ooo_lang var on target, and add only desired languages.
17:23 < rxr> mnemoc: ok ,-)
17:23 < CIA-11> rene * r13489 /trunk/target/livecd/rootfs/home/live/.kde/Autostart/README.desktop: * fixed livecd Autostart/README path
17:28 < rxr> mnemoc: can I wipe the CONFIG-ID from the cache files ?
17:28 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
17:29 < mnemoc> btw, my .cache injector consider only [DEP] [SIZE]s files and ERROR flag
17:30 < mnemoc> i ignore CONFIG-ID and TIMESTAMP
17:31 < rxr> mnemoc: oh
17:31 < rxr> is that on trunk ?
17:31 < mnemoc> i wonder how to detect if a .cache file is 'old'
17:31 < mnemoc> ./cache.sh :p
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17:31 < rxr> there is a cache injection code "somewhere" - maybe update it ,-) ?
17:31 < rxr> mnemoc: old is best determined via svn log ,-)
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17:32 < rxr> mnemoc: /me commiting .cache depending on xorg ...
17:32 < mnemoc> minute
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17:33 < mnemoc> when i proposed to use svn to see if a files comes from rock you rejected due to the 'dependency'
17:33 < Postal> ok sorry, they are doing some construction on my house and the power in my room keeps going out.,
17:33 < Postal> can someone explain how x11 install works again?
17:33 < Postal> cause i missed it
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17:34 < CIA-11> amery * r13490 /trunk/misc/archive/cacheinjector.sh: * added mnemoc's ugly .cache injector
17:35 < mnemoc> rxr: one of my toys ---^
17:35 < rxr> .oO
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17:35 < rxr> I thought I wrote "update the existing code" ,-)
17:35 < rxr> anyway - thanks
17:36 < mnemoc> :)
17:36 < mnemoc> you can merge them :)
17:36 < mnemoc> it's licensed by t2-project now :)
17:36 < Postal> rxr, i was looking for the handbook online, but i could not find the link to the actual book..
17:36 < rxr> oehm
17:37 < rxr> the menu should expand
17:37 < rxr> yep- when you click on handbook the menu expands ...
17:37 < rxr> and there is html, pdf, ...
17:37 < Postal> did mnemoc tell you i was making a site for t2 in dreamweaver?
17:37 < Postal> ok i got it now
17:39 < Postal> i was going to make a flash page until mnemoc pointed out that flash is not re-distrubutable
17:40 < CIA-11> rene * r13491 /trunk/package/ (743 files in 743 dirs): 
17:40 < CIA-11> * added .cache files for packages depending on xorg (the others will
17:40 < CIA-11>  be updated when the next, further denoised regression test is done)
17:41 < mnemoc> rxr: we need to handle .pyc files
17:41 < mnemoc> rxr: they are it's "compiling" push python/* dependency on every python package
17:41 < mnemoc> .oO( what did i say? )o
17:42 < Postal> so what does it mean that xorg is in a repository and not a packages?
17:43 < mnemoc> that it is a bunch of packages, not only one
17:43 < mnemoc> because xorg7 is modullar
17:43 < Postal> ok that makes sense.. can i install it with Emerge_Pkg?
17:43 < Postal> Emerge-Pkg*
17:43 < mnemoc> i really suggest you to stay at 2.1 until you know what you are doing
17:44 < Postal> i will, i svn co the 2.1 branch
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17:46 < Postal> mnemoc, so if i build with this 2.1 branch that is what you recomend?
17:46 < valentin> rxr: rename the binary. Just one target in the makefile, ain't it ?
17:47 < mnemoc> Postal: yes
17:47 < mnemoc> Postal: and stay on the HEAD of that branch
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17:48 < Postal> svn **/branches/2.1
17:48  * mnemoc laged
17:48 < mnemoc> lagged*
17:50  * sparc-kly brbrbr
17:52 < mnemoc> wb sparc-kly 
17:52 < mtr> jsaw: xorg-server fails if the directory etc/X11/app-defaults does not exist
17:52 < Postal> " ./scripts/Config: line 118: 3193 Segmentation fault     (core dumped) "$0" -f-cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod - cycle"
17:53 < mnemoc> Postal: -nobashmod
17:53 < mnemoc> mtr: $ cat /etc/profile.d/0-xdg-base
17:53 < mnemoc> export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="//etc/xdg"
17:54 < Postal> mnemoc, that worked fine with -nobashmod
17:56 < Postal> so if i type ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg default xorg this will work?
17:56 < mnemoc> Postal: not sure
17:56 < mnemoc> try
17:57 < Postal> lol, well its building the linux header files now.. but not xorg... what would you type?
17:57 < Postal> its building 2.6.11.12 2.1-stable
17:57 < mnemoc> dependency
17:57 < Postal> now its downloading and building gcc 3.4.4
17:58 < Postal> so i guess now i wait and see if it builds xorg
17:59 < Postal> You know why T2 is so great?
17:59 < Postal> there are two reasons.. one is it builds from source which i think is the only way to go...
18:00 < Postal> the other is that it has the best support out there lol
18:00 < Postal> ;-)
18:01 < mnemoc> o.o
18:05 < Postal> gcc stable err out
18:06 < Postal> but build is continuing with freetype and now with X11R6.8.2
18:06 < Postal> when its done ill post the gcc error?
18:09 < rxr> valentin: yes - oneliner
18:10 < rxr> valentin: did we finished exactbuild migration? so we can pull all the code (including the segfault fix from my fathers box) into trunk ...
18:11 < mnemoc> Postal: try emerging gcc explicitly
18:12 < Postal> ok i will when the xorg finished..
18:12 < Postal> finishes*
18:25 < CIA-11> amery * r13492 /branches/2.1/scripts/Create-ISO: * merged 10126 from trunk: improved Create-ISO argument parsing thow message if too few arguments are given
18:27 < CIA-11> msluis * r13493 /branches/2.1/package/filesystem/unionfs/ (ld_var.patch postlinux.conf): * fixed linux24/unionfs cross compilation by using $LD instead of ld
18:29 < mnemoc> msluis...
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18:36 < valentin> rxr: maybe the installation and language generation needs to be done still
18:38 < mnemoc> SDECFG_LANGUAGE ?
18:38 < mnemoc> or gettext on installation?
18:39 < valentin> mnemoc: nope :)
18:39 < valentin> netconf
18:39 < mnemoc> :)
18:39 < valentin> cu later
18:39 < mnemoc> cu valentin 
18:44 < CIA-11> amery * r13494 /branches/2.1/scripts/Check-System: * merged 10616,10617,10680,10686,12889,12891 from trunk: added paranoia checks for flex, bison, patch, libc.a, m4 and $UID=0
19:01 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13495 /trunk/package/xorg/xorg-server/xorg-server.conf: 
19:01 < CIA-11> * create etc/X11/app-defaults directory
19:01 < CIA-11>  (as reported on IRC by mtr)
19:01 < CIA-11> jsaw * r13496 /trunk/package/x11/xlockmore/xlockmore.conf: * install default pam.d file
19:02 < mnemoc> jsaw: i'm not an XDG expert, but doesn't app-defaults need to be on a XDG_CONFIG_DIR ?
19:02 < CIA-11> amery * r13497 /branches/2.1/package/network/acx100/ (ld_var.patch postlinux.conf): * fixed linux24/acx100 cross ompilation by using $LD instead of ld
19:08 < rxr> == 11/21/05 19:06:27 =[3]=> Finished building package bash.
19:08 < rxr> + '[' bash = binutils ']'
19:08 < rxr> + '[' -e /TOOLCHAIN/reftime ']'
19:08 < rxr> ++ cat /TOOLCHAIN/reftime
19:08 < rxr> + reftime=36179
19:08 < rxr> ++ gawk 'BEGIN { printf("%.1f\n", 13758 / 36179); }'
19:08 < rxr> + buildtime=0.4
19:08 < mnemoc> :D
19:09 < mnemoc> good aproximation
19:10 < rxr> I guess I *100 it - so we do percent and not floating point to "parse" in shell code wheresoever ,-)
19:12 < mnemoc> ack
19:12 < mnemoc> and avoiding locale problems
19:14 < rxr> ++ gawk 'BEGIN { printf("%.1f\n", 26827 / 26827); }'
19:14 < rxr> + buildtime=1.0
19:14 < rxr> oh - my box is building quite accuratly ...
19:15 < mnemoc> doesn't ccache alter that?
19:15 < rxr> yes
19:15 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (474 hits, 0 misses)
19:15 < mnemoc> :)
19:15 < rxr> but with all the configure crap code cc invocation is not the biggest part after all :-(
19:15 < rxr> and when all is ccached time is compensated accross the builds
19:18 < CIA-11> amery * r13498 /branches/2.1/scripts/functions.in: * merged 12928 from trunk: fixed pkggetdir() to use /var for all prefix=usr*
19:21 < mnemoc> glibc: usr/share/man/man3/pthread_cond_signal.3thr <--- ?
19:21 < rxr> ?
19:22 < mnemoc> is that a man page?
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19:22 < sepp> moin
19:22 < mnemoc> moin sepp 
19:22 < sepp> hi mnemoc :)
19:23 < mnemoc> i mean, .3thr??
19:25 < rxr>                 buildtime=`gawk "BEGIN { printf(\"%d\n\", int($buildtime * 20 / $reftime) * 5 ); }"`
19:25 < CIA-11> amery * r13499 /branches/2.1/target/desktop/pkgsel.sed: * fixed desktop/pkgsel.sed to exclude xmlstarlet which silently got into desktop's repo based pkgsel
19:25 < rxr> is that good - or better code seen by anyone ?
19:25 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea
19:26 < mnemoc> rxr: int()*5 ?
19:26 < rxr> yes =
19:26 < rxr> ? even
19:26 < mnemoc> what sense?
19:27 < mnemoc> int()*1 and int()*100 will always be and int
19:27 < mnemoc> an*
19:27 < rxr> I want it quantisized to 5% steps
19:27 < rxr> so not *100 - but *20 ... ) * 5
19:27 < mnemoc> ok
19:29 < rxr> and yes, this is commented:
19:29 < rxr>                 # quantisized to 5% steps
19:29 < mnemoc> :)
19:34 < rxr> in fact we should quant the files and size as well ...
19:34 < rxr> but not today
19:35 < CIA-11> amery * r13500 /branches/2.1/scripts/Config: * merged 10660 from trunk: added automatic default detection for x86-64 in Config script.
19:36 < mnemoc> rxr: i think files should be exact
19:36 < mnemoc> rxr: so diff after cache injections tells maintainer about the change
19:39 < rxr> mnemoc: I know have a xxx Mhz AMD Geode mini PC here
19:39 < rxr> but not yet powered up
19:40 < rxr> since I need two other important things to be done that got already delayed (again) due to other t2 tinkery ...
19:41 < rxr> Geode GX that is
19:41 < rxr> around 500Mhz at 1W or so
19:41 < mnemoc> T2 is a vice
19:41 < mnemoc> oh
19:41 < mnemoc> $$?
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19:41 < rxr> 300 EUR or so - had not to pay for it
19:41 < rxr> (archivista related)
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19:42 < rxr> mnemoc: t2 is a vice? more like a drug ...
19:43 < mnemoc> :D
19:45 < MrN_> hi
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19:47 < CIA-11> rene * r13501 /trunk/package/graphic/xsane/xsane.desc: * updated xsane (0.97 -> 0.98)
19:48 < mnemoc> hi short-MisterN
19:48 < mnemoc> oh, gone.
19:48 < rxr> hm
19:48 < rxr> something laggs on my internet connection today ..
19:48 < rxr> strange
19:48 < mnemoc> same here
19:48 < MisterN> mnemoc: but i'm here.
19:48 < mnemoc> high normal-MisterN 
19:49 < MisterN> is this an intentional typo?
19:50 < mnemoc> MrN_ vs. MisterN
19:54 < MisterN> <mnemoc> high normal-MisterN 
19:54 < MisterN> the "high" :)
19:54 < mnemoc> :p
19:55 < mnemoc> typo
19:55 < MisterN> the MrN_-says-hi was not so intentional. clicked on the xchat symbol twice and without much thought greeted everybody in the second window
19:56 < mnemoc> :)
20:00 < CIA-11> rene * r13502 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: * only enable lib64 on certain 64 architectures if multilib is enabled
20:01 < CIA-11> rene * r13503 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: 
20:01 < CIA-11> * implemented computing a buildtime relative to binutils build
20:01 < CIA-11>  quantisized to 5% (from the denoise .cache files department)
20:01 < mnemoc> too much /.
20:05 < rxr> nope
20:06 < rxr> mnemoc: we have no variable available that always builds to the new build root ?
20:06 < rxr> in stage 0 root and xroot point to the cross toolls ...
20:06 < rxr> -l
20:06 < mnemoc> that's a bug i think
20:07 < rxr> I introduce sysroot right now ...
20:07 < rxr> I could grep if xroot is actually used though ...
20:07 < mnemoc> $xroot should be build/$config-*/
20:07 < rxr> and/or we we rename xroot to sysroot if that was the intended content for clarity
20:07 < mnemoc> and inside toolchain pointing to /TOOLCHAIN
20:07 < mnemoc> ack
20:08 < rxr> scripts# grep xroot * | wc -l
20:08 < rxr> 31
20:10 < rxr> only 4 packages use it
20:10 < rxr> nvi for no good reasons AFAICS
20:11 < CIA-11> rene * r13504 /trunk/package/editors/nvi/nvi.conf: * fixed nvi to use $root, not $xroot
20:12 < CIA-11> rene * r13505 /trunk/package/base/t2-debug/t2-debug.conf: * fixed t2-debug to use $root, not $xroot
20:15 < mnemoc> Building tools in build/.../TOOLCHAIN/tools.chroot:
20:15 < mnemoc> -> Building tools.chroot/wrapper/cmd_wrapper.
20:15 < mnemoc> gcc: : No such file or directory
20:15 < mnemoc> o.o
20:21 < rxr> root .......... root directory (usually '/')
20:21 < rxr> xroot ......... real root (/R.work/build/... when in chroot mode)
20:21 < rxr> what a crappy definition
20:23 < mnemoc> root i never /
20:23 < mnemoc> is*
20:23 < mnemoc> i hope
20:25 < rxr> ouhm
20:25 < rxr> good that we deletec Documentation and I pasted form the ROCK SVN ,-)
20:26 < mnemoc> :)
20:26 < rxr> I shuffle some assignments around to make the *root= assignments and tweaks in Build-Pkg more obvious
20:26 < karasz> re hi
20:27 < rxr> ../sysdeps/wordsize-32/divdi3.c: In function '__moddi3':
20:27 < rxr> ../sysdeps/wordsize-32/divdi3.c:312: warning: pointer targets in passing argument 3 of '__udivmoddi4' differ in sig
20:27 < rxr> nedness
20:27 < rxr> {standard input}: Assembler messages:
20:27 < rxr> {standard input}:269: Error: symbol `__divdi3' is already defined
20:27 < rxr> {standard input}:325: Error: symbol `__moddi3' is already defined
20:27 < rxr> {standard input}:399: Error: symbol `__udivdi3' is already defined
20:27 < rxr> {standard input}:419: Error: symbol `__umoddi3' is already defined
20:27 < rxr> ok - get this here as well
20:27 < rxr> so I updated to some defect binutils
20:27 < rxr> sorry folks ...
20:27 < mnemoc> i saw that before somewhere...
20:27 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
20:28 < rxr> known in the issue tracker in my brain :-(
20:28 < karasz> rxr should i dld now live iso?
20:29 < karasz> gamma 21-Nov-2005 20:29
20:29 < karasz> ?
20:29 < rxr> nope - gamma is old
20:29 < rxr> let the delta show up ,-)
20:29 < karasz> there is a delta too
20:29 < karasz> t2-live-2.2.0-delta.iso 21-Nov-2005 14:55  546M 
20:30 < karasz> ?? both on 21 nov...
20:30 < karasz> but gamma is fresher than delta ???
20:30 < rxr> karasz: you look into incomming ?
20:30 < rxr> incoming even
20:31 < rxr> let the rsync finish and those images moved to the official location ..
20:31  * karasz is hiding...
20:31 < karasz> sorry
20:32  * karasz thinks that he is a little too impatient
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20:33  * rxr thinks that as well ,-)
20:33 < rxr> hi tilix 
20:33 [Users #t2]
20:33 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw   ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr   ] [ sparc-kly      ] [ tilix   ] 
20:33 [ CIA-11  ] [ karasz ] [ mtr   ] [ sepp  ] [ sparc-kly[g3]  ] [ valentin] 
20:33 [ geekitus] [ MisterN] [ owl   ] [ SerWou] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] [ Xenos   ] 
20:33 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
20:33 < tilix> hi rxr
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20:33  * mnemoc dislike t2@live versioning
20:33 < mnemoc> wb tilix 
20:34 < tilix> hi mnemoc 
20:34 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm ouhm
20:34 < rxr> mnemoc: what todo with binutils? downdate or incooperate hotfixes ?
20:34 < mnemoc> tilix: so, you finally decided to use T2 for your localized distribution or just hanging around?
20:34 < rxr> mnemoc: minor downdate I think?
20:35 < mnemoc> rxr: ack, downdate
20:35 < tilix> mnemoc: not yet . I`m just hanging around :)
20:35 < MisterN> <- need 2.2 livecd :D
20:35 < tilix> i don`t have enough time now
20:35 < mnemoc> tilix: :)
20:36 < mnemoc> tilix: using t2 you would save lot of maintainance time :)
20:36 < rxr>         * updated binutils (2.16.91.0.3 -> 2.16.91.0.4)
20:36 < rxr> I hate those minior downdates of RedHat based junk that break a lot ...
20:37 < mnemoc> "RedHat work at core opensource projects considered harmful"
20:38 < rxr> ACK
20:38 < rxr> mnemoc: xroot="$root" ; [ $stagelevel -gt 1 ] && root=""
20:38 < rxr> so xroot just points to the "normal" root even when it was set to "" for chroot builds
20:38 < mnemoc> so, where is the bug?
20:38 < rxr> there is not bug
20:38 < mnemoc> that's the bug
20:38 < mnemoc> double xroot="$root" 
20:39 < rxr> xroot is used 3x times in the scripts for various stuff refering to the "tools" cross stuff
20:39 < rxr> nope
20:39 < rxr> for chroot builds xroot points to the "root" for the places used until chrooted ...
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20:40 < rxr> though it is used in placed where safely $root could have been used
20:40 < rxr> anyway - I do not mess with that - I just introduced sysroot and saner root= assignment (for readability) while leaving xroot as it is
20:40 < tilix> rxr: there are minor updates to ddcxinfo: http://www.kanotix.com/files/debian/pool/main/d/ddcxinfo-kanotix/ 0.6.15
20:42 < rxr> tilix: do you know changes ?
20:42 < rxr> like what got fixed / improved
20:42 < rxr> btw. I would rather work on not using it
20:42 < rxr> not only does it of course only work on x86*, it fails on a lot of gfx boards ...
20:42 < tilix> rxr: something like "Added 1440x1050 for laptops."
20:42 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you recommend instead?
20:43 < rxr> though the current livecd does make use of ddcxinfo, I think usability would improve a lot just patching x in one or two places instead of using it
20:43 < rxr> mnemoc: sysroot and root for use in packages - xroot to be left fore detailed review
20:43 < mnemoc> what about non ddc monitors?
20:43 < rxr> mnemoc: currently T2@Live does fill in sane modes for non ddc cases
20:44 < mnemoc> i think detecting only once is better than probing every time
20:44 < rxr> X does a way better job to do DDC for non x86 boxes and those where the bios does not include this legacy info
20:44 < rxr> I propose to patch x to automatically use default moes in the case no DDC is there
20:44 < rxr> currently I only use ddcxinfo to determine if I need to fill in monitor refresh modes ...
20:45 < rxr> and to set the default resolution
20:45 < rxr> X could do a way better job on it's own
20:45 < rxr> and the X people are working on getting X fully auto configured and hotplug input output reconfiguration
20:45 < mnemoc> if you do that, can you backport your trick to 6.8.2?
20:46 < rxr> I think with one afternoon of finding the one or two places where to such if (!pWhateverDeviceInfo->hasDDC) pWhateverElase->modes = ... ; the Live CD would ROCK even more
20:47 < mnemoc> i want X@2.1 suck less :p
20:47 < rxr> and work on non x86 (most boxes in the office) and those boxes where ddcxinfo fails, (the remaining boxes in my office, including my shiny new x86-64 subnotebook)
20:47 < rxr> mnemoc: what sucks @2.1 ?
20:47 < mnemoc> configuration :)
20:47 < tilix> rxr: in GNU Solaris they use something like Xorg --configure
20:47 < mtr> rxr: the 1-glibc errors like __divdi3 already defined, 
20:48 < mtr> rxr: there is binutils patch at ML http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2005-11/msg00271.html, and already in CVS
20:48 < CIA-11> amery * r13506 /trunk/package/x11/ddcxinfo/ddcxinfo.desc: * updated ddcxinfo (0.6.13 -> 0.6.15)
20:48 < CIA-11> rene * r13507 /trunk/package/base/binutils/binutils.desc: * downdated binutils (2.16.91.0.4 -> 2.16.91.0.3) due brokeness
20:48 < rxr> tilix: yes - Xorg --configure is known by us as well
20:48 < rxr> our stone module has this for ages
20:48 < mtr> ohh - too late :-(
20:48 < rxr> but it is not very good
20:48 < mnemoc> yep, sucks :)
20:48 < rxr> not yet
20:49 < mnemoc> i have _never_ get a monitor autoconfigured
20:49 < rxr> mtr: I saw your note - but I want to get the ref build thru and not stop at the next obvious thing the red hat folkd screwed up
20:49 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm
20:49 < rxr> mnemoc: try T2@Live ;-)
20:49 < mtr> rxr: ok ;-)
20:49 < mnemoc> rxr: i want to make 2.1 good, not abandoning it and jump to 2.2
20:50 < rxr> mnemoc: did I ever said that?
20:50 < rxr> just wanted to know if that auto-config worked for you ...
20:50 < mnemoc> :)
20:52 < rxr> and - did it ?
20:52 < rxr> or did you test an older version that did no auto mode sensing ?
20:53 < CIA-11> rene * r13508 /trunk/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 
20:53 < CIA-11> * fixed and cleaned packages that need to know the system root during
20:53 < CIA-11>  the toolchain build by introducing a sysroot variable that points
20:53 < CIA-11>  to the sandbox even during the stage 0 toolchain build (xroot is
20:53 < CIA-11>  an internal thing left untouched (for now))
20:53 < CIA-11> * fixed the reftime for cross packages by using the $sysroot/TOOLCHAIN
20:53 < CIA-11>  for the fixed location of this data file
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20:54 < rxr> ^- those changes are not yet ref tested - but build running
20:54 < Postal> so gcc is not building
20:54 < Postal> in the stable 2.1 branch
20:54 < mnemoc> Postal: ?
20:54 < Postal> yeah
20:55 < Postal> where are the error logs again?
20:55 < rxr> did you install 32 or 64 bit - what do you build ?
20:55 < rxr> .../var/adm/logs/
20:55 < Postal> i used mnemocs x86_64 cd
20:55 < mnemoc> publish the build log please
20:56 < rxr> so - guess I have to toggle my LCD to point to the mac mini and do a boring design excersie in Adobe indesign for the uni now ... :-(
20:56 < Postal> what would the full path be.. i cannot find var in the t2 root directory
20:57 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg? /var/adm/logs
20:57 < rxr> may the might mouse be with me ...
20:57 < Postal> ok got it
20:57 < rxr> mighty mouse even
20:57 < Postal> i love the mighty mouse
20:57 < Xenos> :)
20:57 < Postal> the scroll is a little funky though
20:57 < Xenos> mnemoc: how about scr? :)
20:58 < mnemoc> scr?
20:58 < rxr> Postal: I hate the Apple mouse - the scroll ball is the only thing that is cool about it ..
20:58 < Xenos> screenshot :)
20:58 < rxr> seldom had such a unergonomic tool in my hand ...
20:58 < mnemoc> Xenos: rxr is our PR master and webmaster
20:58 < Xenos> hm :)
20:59 < rxr> scr of ?
20:59 < Postal> "configure: error: C preprocessor "cpp" fails sanity check see 
20:59 < Xenos> rxr: may i send u scr of my fully built & configured T2 ? :)
20:59 < rxr> sure ,-)
20:59 < Xenos> emm
20:59 < rxr> our homepage definetly needs a screenshot section ,-)
20:59 < Xenos> ftp(upload)/mail ?
20:59 < rxr> Xenos: thanks for the reminder ,-)
20:59 < Xenos> yeah!
20:59 < Xenos> :)
21:00 < Postal> config log for details make ***[configure-target-libstdc++v3] Error 1
21:00 < rxr> so I can obsolete this old section :
21:00 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/products/drock/screens.html
21:00 < rxr> even still named drock - *evil grin*
21:00 < Xenos> :)
21:01  * rxr should have screenshots the Xcomposite, EXA powered screens I toyed around a month ago whern X11 modular was hot ,-)
21:01 < Xenos> :)
21:01 < rxr> Xenos: just send the scr to rene@t2-project.org ,-)
21:02 < Postal> mnemoc, i cannot post the log but the lines above are the configure error
21:02 < Xenos> rxr: done :)
21:03 < Xenos> tell me smthng about it, dark, but maybe nice for u :)
21:05 < mnemoc> Postal: see on config.log why cpp is not 'sane'
21:05 < rxr> I remeber to see something like that
21:05 < rxr> but do not remeber right now when that was
21:05 < CIA-11> amery * r13509 /branches/2.1/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: 
21:05 < CIA-11> * merged 9767,11347,11812,11816 from trunk: added binutils, gcc and linux-header to the Emerge-Pkg blacklist, and improved the message.
21:05 < CIA-11> * merged 11369 from trunk: improved Emerge-Pkg by adding an "abort on error" option
21:05 < CIA-11> * merged 11521,11561 from trunk: improved Emerge-Pkg by adding a -download-only option
21:05 < CIA-11> * merged 13213 from trunk: * improved Emerge-Pkg by adding a -debug switch
21:05 < CIA-11> * merged 13111,13112,13213 from trunk: unnested conditionals in Emerge-Pkg/add_if_updated for readability
21:06 < rxr> mnemoc: ,-)
21:06 < rxr> I have yet another Emerge usability improvement on my TODO
21:06 < mnemoc> :)
21:08 < rxr> but indesign now or Ms. Designer will slap me tomorrow morning for not having done my exercise
21:09 < Postal> mnemoc, where is config.log
21:10 < rxr> in src.$pkg..../
21:10 < Postal> ok
21:10 < rxr> src.gcc.../gcc-/objdir/
21:10 < rxr> I think in your case
21:10 < rxr> Xenos: no mail yet
21:10 < Xenos> hmm
21:12 < Xenos> i resent it
21:13 < Postal> the last last line in the config.log is "configure:4056: checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles
21:14 < Postal> is there a plugin for gimp to handle canon raw files?
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21:16 < valentin> re
21:17 < rxr> hi valentin 
21:17 < Xenos> valentin: hi
21:17 < Xenos> :)
21:17 < rxr> Postal: no idea what under linux can read raw files
21:17 < Xenos> rxr: seems to be sent successfully
21:17 < rxr> Xenos: ack
21:17 < rxr> one arrived
21:17 < Xenos> wha da ya think about it? :>
21:18 < valentin> Binutils was choosen for compatibility with LFS (Linux From Scratch).
21:18 < valentin> ?
21:22 < rxr> yes, and ?
21:23 < valentin> i just do not understand what compatiblity ? does LFS use the same meassurement ?
21:24 < mnemoc> yes
21:24 < rxr> ack
21:24 < valentin> ic
21:25 < Xenos> rxr: any comments? ;)
21:25 < rxr> yes, nice - I'll add it as soon as I have time for a screenshot section
21:26 < rxr> look at Spriteworks Developments submission on freshmeat - a lot of toy fluff with prperitary license ?
21:26 < Xenos> heh, thanks a lot :)
21:27 < CIA-11> msluis * r13510 /trunk/package/develop/apr-util/apr-util.conf: * fixed apr-util/ldap by appending -lsasl2 because -lldap depends on it. (yuck)
21:27 < mnemoc> freshmeat should not have closed source software
21:27 < mnemoc> msluis!
21:29 < rxr> minto ,-)
21:30 < rxr> sladhdot: ???
21:30 < rxr> damn f*cked os sUX
21:30 < Xenos> heh
21:30 < rxr> slashdot: How to write unmaintanable code
21:30 < Xenos> rxr: what's your client?
21:30 < Xenos> irc
21:31 < rxr> Xenos: irssi
21:31 < Xenos> :)
21:31 < rxr> but right now I'm in a OS that can not even do cut'n poste right ...
21:31 < rxr> slashdot2: President of RIAA Says Sony-BMG Did Nothing Wrong ... !!!
21:32 < Xenos> heh
21:32 < Xenos> 0 ops 18 total ;)
21:32 < Xenos> with 3 sparc-klys
21:32 < Xenos> ;)
21:33 < Xenos> our channel growing up, as i see
21:33 < mnemoc> sparc-kly is cheating
21:34 < Xenos> :)
21:34 < mnemoc> Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal]
21:34 < rxr> mnemoc: do you already noticed the unbelivable, this crosstool freak is employed at google for doind crosstool ...
21:34 < mnemoc> rxr: o_O
21:35 < rxr> yeah - and look at crosstool and then on T2 ....
21:35 < rxr> btw. my mid-term plan is to render both, crosstool and openembedded highly redundant by upcomming t2 flavours ...
21:35 < mnemoc> big companies love people that finds the harder way of doing things
21:35 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
21:36 < rxr> I plan to integrate single toolchains for any crosstool supported arch by the end of this year
21:36 < rxr> on mips we already do even better then they ...
21:38 < mnemoc> ACK
21:42 < rxr> http://upp.sourceforge.net/
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21:45 < rxr> Ultimate++: A new cross-platform C++ environment
21:47 < mnemoc> :)
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21:51 < mnemoc> rxr: any idea why i need 13510 on x86_64?
21:52 < rxr> btw. where is morfoh again ?
21:53 < mnemoc> uhm
21:54 < rxr> yeah - uhm
21:54 < rxr> called him last wed ....
21:54 < rxr> without success - already some tiem ago ..
21:54 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. we got two tuxes from Novel / SuSE at the LWE for you ,-)
21:55 < mnemoc> :D
21:55 < owl> might he fall in love with the wrong person and is now depressed ^^
21:55 < owl> hi
21:56 < mnemoc> and living with rats... sounds familiar ^_^
21:56 < owl> which rats? :)
21:56 < owl> ah this rats *remembering*
21:56 < mnemoc> flying rats :)
21:57 < rxr> f*ck
21:57 < owl> lol. yeah. might he felt in love with his pet's doc, too. and saw that his pet's doc is too old *laughs*
21:57 < rxr> I think I forgot the beginning of my exc. in the uni
21:57 < rxr> damn damn
21:57 < owl> exc?
21:57 < mnemoc> owl: how older? :)
21:57 < mnemoc> owl: married? :)
21:58 < rxr> exercise
21:58 < owl> mnemoc: about 11 years. not married... born in mexico
21:58 < owl> rxr: oh goth. enjoy it ^^
21:58 < mnemoc> doesn't sound like a problem
21:59 < owl> mnemoc: nah. not really. but i was / are a bit - dunno - shocked? O_o i thought he woudl be 28 years or so... not 32 ^^
21:59 < mnemoc> owl: so? :)
21:59 < rxr> owl: some woman have mens as old as 60 or older ...
21:59 < rxr> owl: so what ,-)
22:00 < rxr> however I admit most of those 2x with 6x womans are most probably after the men's money I read ...
22:00 < owl> mnemoc, rxr: but... i dunno. don't know if he has a gf, or is really single (just stands so in his CV) - and i am too shy to ask him for tetails
22:01 < owl> rxr: ack. but not if he is your pets doc sigh. sigh. sigh
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22:04 < mnemoc> owl: and you have a few pets which need atention
22:04 < rxr> indesign is also such a toy software - where even scribus is magnitudes faster ...
22:04 < rxr> and sometimes eve more intuitive ...
22:05 < owl> mnemoc: yeah. but no money :)
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22:05 < owl> and doc is not often in "praxis"
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22:07 < rxr> ernst jandl - mandarinenkerne
22:08 < rxr> just hat there soon is the first google hit for this work ,-)
22:08 < rxr> ernst jandl: f? 1/4 r alle
22:08 < rxr> Sammlung Luchterhand im dtv
22:08 < rxr> Juli 1995
22:08 < rxr> who said I'm feeding google in evil ways with keywords ?
22:10 < mnemoc> no idea
22:12 < CIA-11> amery * r13511 /branches/2.1/scripts/ (Download functions.in): * merged 13315 from trunk: improved Download and bz2filename() to auto-convert .tar files into .tar.bz2
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22:18 < rxr> and text seleciton in indesign looks like my 15 minutes trial'n error with freetype ...
22:18 < rxr> what a crap
22:19 < rxr> I would assume that from scribus-0.1 - but not indesign CS2 2005 sold for $$$$$$
22:20 < CIA-11> amery * r13512 /branches/2.1/scripts/Build-Target: * merged 13168,13225 from trunk: adapted Build-Target to latest fuser
22:21 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/indesign-font-crap.tiff
22:38 < jsaw> re
22:38 < jsaw> rxr: what was wrong with binutils?
22:38 < jsaw> rxr: and, what's wrong witht the indesign thing?
22:43 < jsaw> mnemoc: I don't think, app-defaults is part of XDG_CONFIG_DIR
22:43 < rxr> jsaw: binutils has problems assembling certain code
22:43 < rxr> e.g. glibc
22:43 < rxr> see the link mtr or sepp posted
22:43 < rxr> look at the screenshot ...
22:43 < rxr> for indesign
22:43 < rxr> hi jsaw btw
22:45 < jsaw> hi rxr :)
22:45 < jsaw> rxr: I look at the screenshot,...,and do not see a problem...?
22:46 < rxr> when they can not even draw the selection over the area covered by the text ... ?
22:48 < MisterN> n8
22:48 < jsaw> that depends on the view. The selection is either around the font metric (baseline to ascent, character origin to advance width) or the overall bounding box
22:48 < rxr> (aside that it is dog slow - like everything on this 1.42Ghz Mac ...)
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22:49 < rxr> have you worked with illustrator?
22:49 < jsaw> yep
22:49 < rxr> the graphic artefacts when of the off-screen area when panned around and uncovered are really strange
22:49 < rxr> they disappear when the panning is stopped - I guess it is a CPU load saving feature
22:50 < rxr> but looks like - well - I'll not name that here ....
22:50 < jsaw> I'm still using Illustrator v8, that has other problems...
22:50  * rxr talking about the latest greatest mac version ...
22:50 < jsaw> hehe
22:52 < rxr> but mac software is even slow on the dual CPU @ 2.x GHz in the uni ...
22:52 < jsaw> o_O
22:55 < rxr> at least they manage bounding boxes for selected text on pathes
22:55 < rxr> though those boxes are not anti-aliased ....
23:05 < jsaw> O_O
23:16 < rxr> hm - I think some *root change broke chrooting ...
23:16 < _Ragnar_> o_o
23:20 < karasz> o_O
23:20 < karasz> anyone knows filesize limit on ext3?
23:20 < karasz> it is not 2GB is it...?
23:22 < rxr> huh
23:22 < rxr> nope
23:22 < rxr> jsaw: huh - no interactive sheering ?
23:22 < rxr> this sheer tool pops up an annoying dialog to get a number ...
23:22 < rxr> are we in 198x ... ?
23:23  * karasz is reliefed
23:24 < rxr> ok - well - from the toolbar it is interactive - but with just a poor bounding box
23:24  * karasz can go to sleep now and wil not have nightmares
23:24 < rxr> don't our high quality open source apps do this nicer these days ...
23:25 < rxr> why do I always get extremly annoyed by $$$$ of properitary software when I use it ...
23:25 < rxr> and how to just get a outline for a text, not filled, I have also failed to find ...
23:26 < rxr> well - this has to do for tomrrow - it is just a tiny design stuff thing after all ...
23:26  * _Ragnar_ hugs rene
23:28 < jsaw> rxr: Illustrator? Shift+Ctrl+o (or so) converts text into vector...
23:29 < karasz> cu tomorrow guys and girls ;)
23:29 < karasz> sleep cycle for me
23:29 < karasz> bye
23:30 < jsaw> by karasz 
23:30 < jsaw> ... bye ...
23:32 < rxr> indesign
23:32 < rxr> thus formerly pagemaker I think
23:33 < jsaw> some menu option "convert to outline" or so..
23:34 < rxr> have not found it
23:34 < rxr> I consided this ex. case closed now ,-)
23:34 < jsaw> never used indesign. I'm so much used to Illustrator... once you know the quirks, it's very easy to use..
23:34 < jsaw> rxr: :]
23:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: but /etc/X11 isn't at $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
23:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: /etx/xdg is
23:36 < rxr> active  rene    37      U?bung_2_Rebe-Rene?.pdf       142336 bytes
23:36 < rxr> so much about inter OS unicode  ....
23:36 < _Ragnar_> :)
23:36 < jsaw> mnemoc: ??? what ???
23:36 < rxr> or whatever OS SuX tries to do ...
23:36 < mnemoc> jsaw: take a look into /etc/profile.d
23:37 < rxr> it even does not display the file names correcty in it's own terminal that does UTF as far as apple told me ...
23:37 < jsaw> rxr: it is not unicode... ask Adobe ;]
23:37 < rxr> I do not really want to know
23:37 < jsaw> I know
23:38 < rxr> and it always takes Adobe 3 weeks to send me the software (full license) for development use when my driver get's their crap code to crash
23:38 < mnemoc> spam @ ML :)
23:38 < jsaw> mnemoc: what should I see there? 
23:38 < rxr> thus I'll not annoy my Adobe contact with "what the hell do you save your filenames in" kind'a questions ...
23:38 < rxr> at least the pdf is printable via my cups setup ,-)
23:39 < mnemoc> jsaw: XDG_CONFIG_DIRS
23:43 < jsaw> mnemoc: rather XFILESEARCHPATH
23:44 < jsaw> rxr: mine does not build
23:44  * mnemoc googling to see what XFILESEARCHPATH is
23:44 < rxr> jsaw: ouhm?
23:44 < rxr> did here - AFAIC
23:44 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has quit ["Lost terminal"]
23:45 -!- owl [n=owl@62.4.80.218] has joined #t2
23:45 < jsaw> In file included from /usr/include/stdio.h:73,
23:45 < jsaw>                  from check.c:27:
23:45 < jsaw> /usr/include/libio.h:467: error: syntax error before '__gnuc_va_list'
23:45 < jsaw> ...?
23:45 < jsaw> (stage 1)
23:48 < jsaw> 'nough for today, cu tomorrow
23:48 < rxr> strange
23:48 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 
23:48 < rxr> I can tell you in some seconds if it built in my ref
23:48 < rxr> I think it did
23:48 < rxr> since after downdating binutils all cross built ...
23:56 < rxr> so - regression due to *root= handling should be fixed now
23:56 < rxr> jsaw: mine built here
23:58 < CIA-11> rene * r13513 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: * fixed regressions due to cut'n paste-o in *root= improvement
23:58 < mnemoc> *G*
23:58 < rxr> so - 21:51 < mnemoc> rxr: any idea why i need 13510 on x86_64?
23:58 < rxr> hm - maybe
23:59 < rxr> I think this is a workaround for something nasty that I did not fix immediatly ....
23:59 < mnemoc> ?
23:59 < rxr> hm - I would just let it wait in trunk a bit
23:59 < rxr> IIRC this was a libtool issue or so - but I do not remeber off hand anymore
--- Log closed Tue Nov 22 00:00:00 2005