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02:48 < demian> hi
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05:49 < Postal> Hey, would anyone be opposed if i redesigned the website in dreamweaver using css?
05:51 < Postal> is anyone around rxr jsaw ?
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09:40 < mtr> moin
09:56 < SerWou> good morning
10:01 < mtr> Good morning SerWou 
10:02 < SerWou> how are you dude ,
10:02 < SerWou> ?
10:03 < mtr> fine, thank you, and yourself?
10:06 < SerWou> fine fine, playing with raid software ;)
10:34 < CIA-10> mtr * r13392 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-net.conf.m4: * modular kernel config: enable category of tulip network driver modules
10:34 < valentin> moin
10:35 < mtr> moin valentin 
10:35 < valentin> hi mtr
10:45 < rxr> a1re
10:45 < rxr> re
10:49 < mtr> moin rxr 
11:32 < SerWou> i just that in /boot/kconfig_2.6.*   "# CONFIG_NFS_V4 is not set"    i would like to know why this choice has been take, is NFV4 is buggy or slower than 3 ?
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12:12 < karasz> moin all
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12:48 < jsaw> re
12:59 < valentin> hi jsaw 
13:00 < CIA-10> jsaw * r13393 /trunk/package/x11/xlockmore/xlockmore.desc: * use http protocol (ftp does not work here)
13:02 < karasz> re moin
13:02 < karasz> :)
13:02 < jsaw> hi valentin, karasz 
13:12 < CIA-10> jsaw * r13394 /trunk/package/network/psi/psi.desc: * new language files, but url is the same :(
13:13 < CIA-10> jsaw * r13395 /trunk/package/printing/cups-pdf/cups-pdf.desc: * md5 sum changed
13:14 < karasz> has anyone new abt rxr and linux expo?
13:14 < CIA-10> jsaw * r13396 /trunk/package/dictionary/ (aspell-de/aspell-de.desc aspell-en/aspell-en.desc): * move aspell-{de,en} after embutils, because their configure needs "which"
13:16 < CIA-10> jsaw * r13397 /trunk/package/base/howtos/howtos.desc: * update linux-howtos (20051101 -> 20051117)
13:21 < jsaw> karasz: "abt" ?
13:21 < karasz> about
13:21 < karasz> new=news
13:25 < jsaw> I guess there's heavy PR going on :)
13:25 < karasz> i guessed that much :)
13:44 < CIA-10> jsaw * r13398 /trunk/package/dictionary/ (aspell-de/aspell-de.desc aspell-en/aspell-en.desc): 
13:44 < CIA-10> * revert r13396, there are more files in need of 'which' (a different
13:44 < CIA-10>  solution has to be found)
14:03 < jsaw> gotta go, cu later
14:06 < mnemoc> moin
14:09 < mnemoc> jsaw: about 13395, i have the file with old checksum. to keep mirrors concistent you have to force a change the file name (version) if upstream forgot to do it, or silently update something.
14:11 < mnemoc> -#  cups-pdf.conf -- CUPS Backend Configuration (version 2.0beta1, 2005-09-18)
14:11 < karasz> moin mnemoc 
14:11 < mnemoc> +#  cups-pdf.conf -- CUPS Backend Configuration (version 2.0beta2, 2005-10-23)
14:12 < mnemoc> ^---- what a dumb 'update'.... that's the difference between both 2.0beta2s
14:12 < mnemoc> moin karasz 
14:15 < CIA-10> amery * r13399 /trunk/package/printing/cups-pdf/cups-pdf.desc: * updated cups-pdf (2.0beta2 -> 2.0beta2.1) - to reflect checksum change on a mirror-safe way
14:36 < CIA-10> amery * r13400 /trunk/package/base/embutils/pkg_bash_post.conf: * changed embutils to only disable bash's which _if_ coreutils is not been installed, i.e. embutils is going to be default.
14:38 < CIA-10> amery * r13401 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.desc: * updated linux24 (2.4.32-pre3 -> 2.4.32)
14:53 < karasz> i am sick :(
14:53 < mnemoc> of us?
14:53 < karasz> guess i'll go home
14:53 < karasz> no, i am really sick...
14:54 < mnemoc> flu?
14:54 < karasz> nope
14:54 < karasz> bronchitis
14:54 < mnemoc> daily problem on my house :)
14:56 < karasz> i do not like beeing likr this:(
14:56 < karasz> i'll go home
14:56 < karasz> cu guys and girls...
14:56 < mnemoc> bye sick karasz 
14:57 < mnemoc> take care
14:57 < karasz> bye all
14:57 < karasz> thanks mnemoc :)
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15:22 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
15:22 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
15:22 [Users #t2]
15:22 [ _Ragnar_] [ geekitus] [ mtr   ] [ sepp_          ] [ valentin] 
15:22 [ axion   ] [ jsaw    ] [ Postal] [ SerWou         ] 
15:22 [ CIA-10  ] [ mnemoc  ] [ rxr   ] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] 
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15:22 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug  8 21:15:33 2004
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16:13 < misl> hi folks
16:16 < mnemoc> hi misl 
16:17 < misl> hi mnemoc :)
16:31  * misl off again :(
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16:39 < rxr> re
16:40 < mnemoc> wb rxr
16:40 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/pr/trunk/talk/presentation.pdf
16:40 < rxr> mnemoc: did I mention we had a t2 talk ?
16:41 < mnemoc> rxr: with people sit listening and doing questions?
16:41 < rxr> well - some
16:42 < mnemoc> more than one? :)
16:42 < rxr> but we handed out a lot of papers 
16:42 < rxr> mnemoc: after some minutes, yes
16:42 < mnemoc> :-)
16:42 < mnemoc> :D
16:42 < rxr> problem was it was around lunch and not many people go to a talk when they do not know the topic
16:42 < rxr> but this is progress
16:42 < rxr> and we have cool slides now
16:43 < rxr> though -de - I'll translate them to en in the train later on
16:43 < rxr> mnemoc: I even handed the last papers about t2 to random people at the entrance ,-)
16:43 < mnemoc> cool
16:43 < rxr> last papers, cebit papers
16:43 < rxr> to flush the stack of those
16:44 < rxr> and not many of the new sheets left
16:46 < mnemoc> :)
16:54 < rxr> how have been the last days here ?
16:55 < mnemoc> slooow
16:56 < _Ragnar_> gimme a hint on how to debug that glibc error plz :p
17:12 < mnemoc> uhm, my iexplorer.exe doesn't run on wine 0.9.1
17:12 < mnemoc> neither wmplayer.exe
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18:56 < mnemoc> rxr: are you around?
19:03 < mnemoc> rxr: hicolor icon theme is installed at /usr/share... which package should set this XDG_DATA_DIR ? xorg?
19:06 < CIA-10> amery * r13403 /trunk/package/gnome2/glib/glib.conf: * removed doble / on gnome XDG vars
19:07 < CIA-10> amery * r13404 /trunk/package/kde/kdelibs/kdelibs.conf: * removed doble / on KDE XDG vars
19:10 < mnemoc> rxr: i just noticed you have this solved on trunk... etc/profile.d/0-xdg-base
19:12 < CIA-10> amery * r13405 /trunk/package/xfce4/libxfce4util/libxfce4util.conf: * added file to profile.d to set Xfce XDG vars
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19:36 < mnemoc> rxr: multiple values on XDG_CONFIG_HOME is at least not supported by XFCE
19:36 < mnemoc> rxr: and i was told it's ilegal
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19:43 < mnemoc> yuck yuck .... $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS != $XDG_CONFIG_HOME
19:47 < valentin> re
19:48 < mnemoc> wb valentin 
19:49 < mnemoc> something is very wrong with 'hicolor'
19:50 < valentin> ?
19:51 < CIA-10> amery * r13406 /branches/2.1/scripts/functions.in: * merged 13387 from trunk: introduced pkgprefix ver $pkg, to see what version is currently installed.
19:52 < mnemoc> valentin: the package doesn't install files, just tree structure.... and icons are installed on 'hicolor' themes inside /opt/{gnome2,kde,xfce4}/share/icons 
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19:56 < CIA-10> amery * r13407 /branches/2.1/package/editors/mlview/ (. mlview.desc mlview.desc): * merged 13339 from trunk: added mlview (0.9.0)
19:56 < valentin> mnemoc: i do not know hicolor, take a look at the Makefile
19:57 < mnemoc> hicolor-icon-theme is officially the 'fallback icon theme', but is splitted due to our $datadir relocation
19:57 < mnemoc> looking at Makefile, is fine to have it empty
20:04 < valentin> empty?
20:05 < mnemoc> just dir structure
20:07 < valentin> you are talking in riddles, but maybe i am just to tired now
20:07 < valentin> went about 5h by train from lwe to home
20:08 < mnemoc> cu tomorrow ,-)
20:09 < valentin> hehe
20:09 < valentin> well, i'll stay some minutes to surf the web
20:09 < mnemoc> :)
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20:23 < valentin> cu later
20:23 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin 
20:34 < CIA-10> amery * r13408 /branches/2.1/package/www/mozplugger/ (7 files): * added mozplugger (1.7.3) from trunk
20:58 < CIA-10> amery * r13409 /trunk/package/x11/shared-mime-info/shared-mime-info.conf: * removed doble / on base XDG vars
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21:48 < mnemoc> sepp_: are you the sepp on #vserver?
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21:55 < sepp_> mnemoc: no
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21:57 < sepp> its a very common nickname in germany and i was really wondering that i could register it on freenode
21:58 < sepp> common for sebastian ...
21:58 < sepp> hi btw :)
21:59 < mnemoc> hi :)
22:00 < jsaw> *gaaaaaaaaaaah*
22:00 < mnemoc> wb jsaw :)
22:00 < sepp> hello jsaw 
22:01 < jsaw> :p
22:01 < jsaw> hi mnemoc , sepp 
22:01 < jsaw> I hate how xorg handles app-defaults
22:01 < jsaw> and also kdebase
22:02 < sepp> `pkgprefix ver firefox` will return the firefox version now?
22:02 < mnemoc> yes
22:02 < sepp> cool - thats a nice feature
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22:02 < mnemoc> sepp: http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/pkg_conf/mozplugger.conf
22:02 < MisterN> re
22:03 < mnemoc> hi MisterN 
22:03 < sepp> hi MisterN 
22:03 < mnemoc> this is nicer http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/pkg_conf/mplayerplug-in.conf
22:03 < sepp> mnemoc: great
22:05 < mnemoc> sepp: was that what you wanted to do?
22:05 < sepp> mnemoc: yes exactly
22:06 < mnemoc> sepp: to have mplayerplug-in and mozplugger at the same time you need this patch: http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/pkg_mozplugger.patch
22:09 < CIA-10> amery * r13410 /trunk/package/xfce4/libxfce4util/xfce4-conf.in: * fixed Xfce4 $sysconfdir
22:15 < CIA-10> amery * r13411 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/gnomebaker/: * added gnomebaker (0.50) from trunk
22:24 < sepp> is there a nice gtk only cdrecord/growisofs gui thingy?
22:24 < mnemoc> sepp: how much gtk is gtk only?
22:24 < sepp> i mean no gnome deps
22:25 < mnemoc> xtoaster i guess
22:25 < sepp> i am not going to install gnome or kde
22:25 < mnemoc> i'm using this subset of gnome: http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/pkgsel/Desktop/Desktop%20Enviroment/20-GNOME.minimal.choice
22:26 < sepp> hmm sorry i get spots with gnome 
22:27 < mnemoc> gnomebaker works with that subset
22:27 < MisterN> mnemoc: you mean, you don't use k3b? really?!
22:27 < mnemoc> i don't use anything starting with k
22:28 < MisterN> oh and I hate C without ++. but k3b is simply the best :)
22:28 < sepp> hmm i'll keep my shitty ruby script without gui :)
22:29 < mnemoc> sepp: any my http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/pkgsel/Desktop/10-gtk.ask module.... if you want the list :)
22:29 < sepp> mnemoc: hehe that looks like a part of my pkg list ;)
22:30 < sepp> pkgsel*
22:30 < mnemoc> MisterN: gtkmm is c++ :)
22:30 < mnemoc> sepp: two years ago mine too.... now i have modules and UI to choose on mnemosyne and it's extenders
22:31 < MisterN> mnemoc: well i just wanted to say that with applications you have to be pragmatic sometimes :)
22:31 < mnemoc> MisterN: yes, no K* allowed. :)
22:33 < sepp> mnemoc: btw. you know this -> http://erlang.se/doc/doc-5.4.10/lib/mnemosyne-1.2.5.1/doc/html/index.html ?
22:33 < mnemoc> *click*
22:33 < MisterN> mnemoc: i understand this. in my eyes, there is no good looking theme for qt. this is why i, still unhappily, use xfce 4.2 :). k3b and very very rarely konqueror (if my urxvt doesn't serve my data management needs) are the exceptions to my personal k* ban.
22:33 < mnemoc> sepp: :)
22:33 < mnemoc> MisterN: :)
22:34 < mnemoc> MisterN: give a try to gnomebaker, isn't that bad... and feels very Xfce
22:34 < MisterN> mnemoc: yes i can install that.
22:34 < CIA-10> amery * r13412 /branches/2.1/package/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 
22:34 < CIA-10> * merged 13403,13404,13409 from trunk: removed doble / on Gnome,KDE and base XDG vars
22:34 < CIA-10> * merged 13405 from trunk: set XDG vars for Xfce
22:34 < CIA-10> * merged 13410 from trunk: fixed Xfce4 $sysconfdir
22:35 < MisterN> " feels very Xfce" not important because the xfce guys have no eye for usability. :D
22:35 < mnemoc> simplicity comes with usability under the arm
22:35 < sepp> .oO(i always thought the gtk interface looks much cleaner - simpler)
22:36 < mnemoc> xfce is gtk :)
22:36 < MisterN> mnemoc: simplicity is a _requirement_ for usability, but usability is more.
22:36 < MisterN> gtk has so much better looks
22:36 < sepp> yes i know that xfce uses gtk ;)
22:36 < mnemoc> gnome 2.12? :)
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22:36 < MisterN> <- using the industrial theme for eternities
22:37 < jsaw> gcombust
22:38 < mnemoc> MisterN: url?
22:38 < MisterN> mnemoc: oh it used to be in the ximian-artworks package
22:39 < jsaw> sepp: package/x11/gcombust
22:39 < mnemoc> looks like gtoaster :)
22:39 < sepp> jsaw: thanks i'll try it
22:40 < jsaw> hmmm, gcombust is two years old...
22:40 < mnemoc> gtk+ 1.2.x <---- good reason to not use it
22:40 < jsaw> I used to use it.
22:40 < jsaw> now I'm only using webcdcreator
22:40 < jsaw> because the burner is on a different machine
22:41 < mnemoc> java??
22:41 < jsaw> yep
22:41 < mnemoc> thanks another thing i'll not install on my box
22:41 < jsaw> If you're burning via web, that's the best I've seen so far.
22:41 < jsaw> All the winsuckers can also use it without troubles...
22:41 < mnemoc> :)
22:42 < sepp> http://graveman.tuxfamily.org/ <- looks good
22:42 < mnemoc> yes
22:42 < mnemoc> gtk only?
22:42 < sepp> yep
22:43 < mnemoc> :)
22:43  * mnemoc going to kinder garden... bbl
22:44 < MisterN> always thought the proper spelling was kindergarten, even in english :D
22:45 < mnemoc> yes?
22:45 < MisterN> that's what they taught me in school.
22:46 < mnemoc> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kindergarten
22:46 < mnemoc> it seems you were right
22:46 < mnemoc> s/kinder garden/kindergarten/
22:48 < MisterN> gotta protect my mother tongue... even if it's only a small influence in a language like english which has way more impact on my language
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22:50 < MisterN> n8
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22:56 < CIA-10> amery * r13413 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (ooo.conf t2-distro.patch): * finally fixed ooo to build multilanguage
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22:58 < Xenos> yeaahaaaaaa
22:58 < Xenos> :>
22:58  * Xenos is on T2
22:59 < Xenos> the fastest distro that i used ;)
22:59  * Xenos thanks mnemoc & go to bed..
22:59  * Xenos is away: dropped to bed..
22:59 < Xenos> *went ;)
23:00 < sepp> good night Xenos 
23:13 < jsaw> Xenos: great
23:13 < jsaw> this imake stuff causes me a head-ache
23:13 < sepp> that shared app-default stuff?
23:13 < jsaw> yep
23:14 < sepp> same problem here
23:14 < jsaw> ?
23:14  * sepp wondering about imake ...
23:18 < sepp> well, i am afk now - good night all 
23:19 < jsaw> cu
23:22 < rxr> re
23:23 < jsaw> hi rxr 
23:23 < jsaw> nice presentation
23:23 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/pr/trunk/talk/presentation-en.pdf
23:23 < rxr> jsaw: thanks ,-)
23:24 < jsaw> rxr: any reason, why you were patching package/xorg/cf, instead of creating a host.def file?
23:24 < rxr> jsaw: oehm
23:25 < jsaw> :)
23:25 < rxr> feel free to create a host.def ,-)
23:25 < rxr> there might be files missing to regenerate the presentation from the .tex file
23:25 < jsaw> app-defaults directory gives me a head-ache currently... I'll send some patches later for review
23:25 < rxr> I'll review later on what files I need from those I have in that dir
23:25 < jsaw> there, the host.def is already included
23:26 < jsaw> if you want to read something funny, read cf/Imake.rules, the definition of "LinkConfFileLong"
23:30 < jsaw> apropos presentation, de: "System Spezifikationen/Architekturen": Multilib (64/32bit) und was ist default <- a bit strange german
23:33 < jsaw> rxr: english has a similiar problem in the same line, I think it should read "Multilib (..) and default"
23:35 < jsaw> rxr: last "Build System" page: "packages and extend each other" <- ????
23:36 < jsaw> What is left to do?:
23:36 < jsaw> "more kernel", should read "other kernels" ?
23:41 < rxr> jsaw: ouhm - the commti log is "quick'n dirty en translation" ,-)
23:41 < jsaw> :)
23:46 < CIA-10> rene * r13414 /trunk/package/archiver/zziplib/ (. zziplib.cache zziplib.desc): * added zziplib (0.13.44) - ZIP file access library
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