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00:01 < rxr> yes - but I mv {err,log} because I want to know if the system works then ..
00:01 < rxr> cu
00:01 < mnemoc> cu rxr :)
00:01 < karasz> cu rxr
00:06 < karasz> hmm just thinkin' nay of you has any ideea how big is T2 userland?
00:06 < karasz> nay->any
00:07 < mnemoc> 20 person?
00:07 < mnemoc> 30?
00:08 < karasz> and that is including the developers?
00:09 < mnemoc> i would say yes
00:10 < karasz> so that means 5-15 people who use it and do not contribute....
00:12 < mnemoc> no clue
00:12 < mnemoc> i hope to get for external feedback after 2.2
00:12 < mnemoc> more*
00:13 < karasz> mnemoc how do you see propaganda for this project?
00:15 < mnemoc> what do you mean?
00:15 < karasz> i mean what are the conceptions behind gettin T2 to a wider audience?
00:15 < karasz> how do you want to do that?
00:15 < karasz> if you want to do that...
00:16 < mnemoc> of course we want
00:16 < karasz> i mean is this a goal?
00:16 < mnemoc> sure
00:16 < karasz> did you guys talked about the means to do that?
00:17 < mnemoc> rene does PR on some german events, and i talk a bit on other channel
00:17 < mnemoc> channels
00:17 < mnemoc> but i fear noone has really spend time on that
00:18 < mnemoc> more than {rene,susan,valentin} on events
00:18 < mnemoc> 3,4 per year
00:18 < rxr> we have far more users
00:18 < mnemoc> why the null feedback?
00:18 < rxr> here in berlin is martin, who also ahs write access
00:19 < rxr> then lars who is now in south germany - also powerpc and x86 user, with write access
00:19 < rxr> then brothers, parents, ...
00:19 < mnemoc> those are 3 person
00:19 < rxr> alone archivista sold over 12 machines last month
00:20 < rxr> then there are many people who got a CD thru the german magazines and so on ...
00:20 < karasz> rxr that was i thinkin abt
00:20 < mnemoc> but they are not 'aware' they are using a t2-powered machine
00:20 < rxr> golem news reached many people
00:20 < mnemoc> why the null feedback?
00:20 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea - too happy ... ,-)
00:20 < sepp> i used rock some time and i gave nearly 0 feedback, beside a few mails
00:20 < mnemoc> :)
00:21 < karasz> my opinion (and i do know that it doesn't matter too much)
00:21 < karasz> is that you should focus on 2 directions
00:21 < karasz> 1. gettin' T2 CDs in magazines
00:21 < rxr> with 2.1 and 2.2 release branches and really working system with few quirks we will expand the user base
00:22 < karasz> 2. gettin' projects to use T2 as base, like archivista
00:22 < mnemoc> 2 is my goal
00:22 < rxr> linux world expo is soon ...
00:23 < rxr> also some thing to nod satisfy users we need: a faster Config and real dependency graph driven build this static priority sucks majorly ...
00:24 < mnemoc> stages + tsort   would be enough i guess
00:24 < rxr> karasz: for the 2.1 built on your box I would need to merge some more fixes from trunk
00:24 < rxr> but I need sleep now
00:25 < mnemoc> a way to separate what is built and what is burn/installed is also missing
00:25 < karasz> rxr sleep well
00:25 < rxr> because got a sparkling wine and susan is waiting ...
00:25 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 
00:25 < rxr> mnemoc: when time comes
00:25 < karasz> i need sleep to
00:25 < mnemoc> :)
00:25 < rxr> first polish what we have and then the reminder
00:25 < rxr> cu
00:25 < karasz> rxr have fun
00:25 < karasz> cu
00:25 < mnemoc> cu rxr
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00:58 < valentin> damn
00:58 < valentin> happy birthday rxr
00:58 < valentin> forgot that...
00:58 < valentin> have to wait till he is up again
01:01 < mnemoc> oh
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01:02 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 | 2.1.0 TAGGED! | Happy Birthday Mr. Core Architect! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
01:02 -!- mode/#t2 [-o mnemoc] by mnemoc
01:03 < mnemoc> back in 1h
01:39 < mnemoc> re
02:34 < valentin> wb mnemoc and gn8
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02:13 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 | 2.1.0 TAGGED! | Happy Birthday René! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
02:13 -!- mode/#t2 [-o mnemoc] by mnemoc
05:52 < _Ragnar_> oooh happy birthday!:)
06:02 < mnemoc> i'll be unable to give him the present i wanted :\
06:09 < _Ragnar_> oh? how come?
06:10 < mnemoc> i can't announce 2.1.0 with proper desktop ISOs available :\
06:10 < mnemoc> and my back doesn't let me focus
06:11 < mnemoc> ok... i'll go to bed... cu _Ragnar_ 
06:12  * _Ragnar_ hugs mnemoc 
06:12 < _Ragnar_> what's with your back? O_O
06:12 < mnemoc> usual pain but stronger
06:12  * _Ragnar_ massage mnemoc 
06:13 < mnemoc> thanks ;)
06:13 < mnemoc> gn8 _Ragnar_ 
06:13 < _Ragnar_> gn8 :) sleep well
06:16 < mnemoc> you too
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08:34 < rxr> re
08:34 < _Ragnar_> nini
08:34 < _Ragnar_> happy birthday :)
08:47 < rxr> oh thanks ,-)
08:50 < CIA-15> rene * r12977 /branches/2.1/ (4 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
08:50 < CIA-15> * merged r12766 and r12917 from trunk:
08:50 < CIA-15>  * moved x86-64 config.{sub,guess} updating to autoconf itself and added
08:50 < CIA-15>  checking for sparcv9b ,-)
08:50 < CIA-15>  * fixed and improved autoconf/parse-config to not only fixup outdated
08:50 < CIA-15>  config.* files for x86_64 and sparcv*, but additionally for
08:50 < CIA-15>  powerpc64 ...
09:12 < rxr> mnemoc: stable with those fixes builds on powerpc64 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:12  * rxr breakfast
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09:45 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 TAGGED! | Happy Birthday René! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
09:45 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sun Oct 30 02:13:48 2005]
09:45 [Users #t2]
09:45 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-15      ] [ lewellyn] [ mtr] [ sepp     ] [ valentin] 
09:45 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw        ] [ misl    ] [ owl] [ SerWou   ] 
09:45 [ Baldzius_] [ karasz[Away]] [ mnemoc  ] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly] 
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09:47 < rxr> but stops as 2-gcc ...
09:59 < valentin> moin
09:59 < valentin> happy birthday rxr
10:00 < rxr> moin valentin 
10:00 < rxr> valentin: thanks
10:00 < rxr> valentin: can we quickly phone ?
10:06 < valentin> mom
10:07 < valentin> ok
10:10 < misl> oh! 
10:10 < misl> happy birthday to you,
10:10 < misl> happy birthday la la la laa
10:10 < misl> la lala laa
10:11 < misl> rxr: happy birthday from all of us.
10:17 < rxr> misl: thanks ,-)
10:19 < misl> rxr: have you already start your regtest again?
10:21 < rxr> yep
10:21 < rxr> hm
10:21 < rxr> karasz[Away]: suse on your openpower sucks - it is 32bit by default and the compiler as well
10:21 < rxr> quite ugly IMHO ...
10:26 < misl> oeps
10:26 < misl> wrong switch. I just restarted noisy
10:27 < misl> rxr: sorry, but I am afraid you will need to start it again 
11:19 < CIA-15> valentin * r12978 /trunk/package/superh/linux26sh/ (oprofile.patch.disabled serial_sh.patch): 
11:19 < CIA-15> * patch to choose a working subset of serial modules for all sh defconfigs
11:19 < CIA-15> * apply missing copyright patch in old files
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12:36 < valentin> mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/src/t2-trunk/build/dream-2.2.0-alpha-sh-sh4-cross-dreamcast/etc/minit/gpm': No such file or directory
12:37 < valentin> which seems to be a build order bug
12:38 < valentin> of course one could patch gpm to create that minit dir first
12:48 < rxr> hm - no minit in your pkgsel ?
12:53 < valentin> of course there is / minit /               { p; d; };
12:54 < valentin> but it had not been build yet
12:54 < valentin> np atm - should be easy to fix. i have more serious trouble with busybox right now
12:55 < valentin> need shower, bbl
12:56 < rxr> valentin: decrease minit priority ...
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13:44 < misl> hi folks
13:50 < valentin> hi misl
13:50 < valentin> rxr: we will come over soon
13:51 < rxr> oki
13:51 < misl> hi valentin, how was your Fajitas ;-)
13:51 < rxr> I think I found the issue on powerpc64 build
13:52 < misl> Heh! That sound like party time. ;-) Why wasn't I invited?
13:52 < valentin> misl: well, the whole filling was much too fluid and tasted a bit too much like chili con carne
13:52 < valentin> so it was a quite interessting meal
13:52 < valentin> but it didn't taste bad
13:53 < valentin> however, with that filling oozing away, rolling was imposible. we ate then as they were pizzas
13:53 < misl> valentin: It still sound delicious :_
13:54 < valentin> misl: come over if you like, and we do a party today
13:54 < misl> :)
13:55 < misl> valentin: I think I will come over some other time. :)
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13:55 < misl> It won't be long. Maybe somewhere in january :)
13:56 < rxr> misl: nice ,-)
13:59 < valentin> yep
13:59 < valentin> cu later then
14:07 < rxr> mnemoc: instead of a .pause file we might also be able to hack up a C-c to cause that behaviour by default
14:08 < rxr> do one could safely C-c and abort after that package and a 2nd C-c to abort immediately ..
14:14 < sepp> moin 
14:14 < sepp> rxr: happy birthday! :)
14:26 < rxr> sepp: thanks
14:27 < rxr> we need a birthday list so I know when to happy birthday you ,-)
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15:59 < mnemoc> short re
16:01 < mnemoc> rxr: happy birthday mr. Core architect!
16:02 < mnemoc> bday-rxr: did desktop build complete?
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16:50 < kleper> hi
16:52 < mnemoc> hi kleper 
16:53 < kleper> how are mnemoc ?
16:53 < mnemoc> fine, and you?
16:53 < kleper> fine .. reading about openwrt
16:54 < kleper> why i don't see you on #linuxpreview anymore?
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16:57 < mnemoc> i reduced the amount of 'windows' open on my irssi
16:57 < Baldzius> :)
16:58 < Baldzius> moin
16:58 < mnemoc> kleper: but i can join if you want
16:58 < mnemoc> moin Baldzius 
16:59 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc
16:59 < kleper> umm mnemoc yes join please for talk you on spanish :D
16:59 < mnemoc> ok
17:05 < rxr> mnemoc: the usual kaffe on ppc issues
17:05 < rxr> but powerpc64 builds now
17:06 < mnemoc> finished?
17:09 < rxr> nope
17:10 < rxr> stop, fix go
17:10 < rxr> I just fixed gcc 2 hours ago or so
17:10 < rxr> we'll see soon as it has 4 1.5GHz CPUs ...
17:11 < rxr> ppc desktop has not much missing
17:11 < rxr> let's see how fast the 1.42 GHz G4 does build those
17:11 < rxr> Error logs from default-2.1-stable-powerpc-powerpc-750-desktop:
17:11 < rxr> [5] base/linux24                        [5] develop/librep [5] mail/thunderbird                    [5] gnome2/evolution-data-ser [5] multimedia/avifile                  [5] gnome2/ghex [5] network/bluez-hciemu                [5] gnome2/gnome-applets [5] gnome2/glade                        [5] gnome2/gnome-system-monit [5] gnome2/ggv                          [5] gnome2/pybliographer
17:11 < rxr>  [5] mulators/wine  /                    [5] gnome2/gnome-system-tools [5] gnome2/gnome-media                  [5] gnome2/sound-juicer [5] gnome2/gnomemeeting                 [5] develop/tla [5] gnome2/gnumeric                     [5] database/bdb-java [5] database/bdb33-java
17:11 < rxr> 679 builds total, 632 completed fine, 21 with errors.
17:11 < rxr> :-(
17:11  * rxr back to my guests. ..
17:16 < CIA-15> aldas * r12979 /trunk/package/gnome2/librsvg/librsvg.desc: 
17:16 < CIA-15> * updated librsvg (2.13.2 -> 2.12.7)
17:16 < CIA-15> * downgraded to latest stable, 2.13 is devel and incompatible
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17:18 < CIA-15> rene * r12980 /branches/2.1/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf: 
17:18 < CIA-15> * improved gcc libgcc_s* work arounding and enabled it for any
17:18 < CIA-15>  multilib build (fixes powerpc64)
17:21 < CIA-15> aldas * r12981 /trunk/package/python/python/python.desc: 
17:21 < CIA-15> * reverted r12443, python 2.4.2 isn't supported by zope yet,
17:21 < CIA-15>  sorry my fault :(
17:21 < mnemoc> Baldzius: we have a patch on zope to 'support' our python version
17:22 < Baldzius> mnemoc that patch is for 2.4.1
17:22 < Baldzius> there is new zope version witch supports 2.4.1
17:22 < Baldzius> so i decided to revert
17:22 < Baldzius> to reduce amount of patches
17:22 < mnemoc> what zope update do you want to do?
17:22 < Baldzius> 2.8.4 iirc
17:23 < Baldzius> and there is 3.1.0final
17:23 < Baldzius> i'am doing referece buil
17:23 < mnemoc> update zope and zope3
17:23 < Baldzius> i can test
17:23 < Baldzius> if there be problems i'll downgrade
17:24 < mnemoc> to test zope you need to use it ;)
17:24 < Baldzius> oh :)
17:25 < Baldzius> but 2.8.4 oficially supports 2.4.1
17:25 < Baldzius> but not recommended 
17:25 < mnemoc> zope took about a year to 'support' 2.4
17:26 < Baldzius> and it will take 1 y to add support for 2.4.2 :)
17:26 < mnemoc> we can't froze python on trunk because zope don't like to update things
17:26 < mnemoc> yes
17:27 < mnemoc> update python, patch zope{,3} to support it, commit and reschedule all python dependent package to see _if_ there is any regression. which i doubt
17:29 < Baldzius> you want me to revert 12981? :)
17:30 < Baldzius> i would like to stay with 2.4.1 for a while
17:30 < mnemoc> :)
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17:32 < mnemoc> i have to go, cu
17:32 < Baldzius> cu :)
17:32 < mnemoc> have a great day rxr!
17:32 < Baldzius> oh forgot :)
17:32 < Baldzius> happy birthday rxr :)
17:32 < CIA-15> rene * r12982 /branches/2.1/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: * fixed dietlibc powerpc* name cludge for first-time builds
17:32 < rxr> Baldzius: thanks ,-)
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17:35 < CIA-15> aldas * r12983 /trunk/package/gnome2/lablgtk/lablgtk.desc: * updated lablgtk (2.4.0 -> 2.6.0)
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17:38 < CIA-15> rene * r12984 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: * merged 12982 from branches/2.1: fixed dietlibc powerpc* name kludge for first-time builds
17:39 < CIA-15> rene * r12985 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc.conf: 
17:39 < CIA-15> * merged r12980 from branches/2.1: improved gcc libgcc_s* work
17:39 < CIA-15>  arounding and enabled it for any multilib build (fixes powerpc64)
17:43 < CIA-15> aldas * r12986 /trunk/package/gnome2/lablgtk2/: 
17:43 < CIA-15> * removed lablgtk2, i mixed up with snapshots, deletion won't
17:43 < CIA-15>  harm any package, sorry my fault :(
17:44 < Baldzius> *gg* i found my 3 mistakes
17:44 < Baldzius> i hope that was the last :)
17:57 < CIA-15> aldas * r12987 /trunk/package/zope/zope/ (configure-python24.patch zope.desc): 
17:57 < CIA-15> * updated zope (2.8.1 -> 2.8.4)
17:57 < CIA-15> * removed configure-python24.patch - obsolete
18:00 < CIA-15> aldas * r12988 /trunk/package/zope/zope3/zope3.desc: * updated zope3 (3.0.1 -> 3.1.0)
18:55 < valentin> re
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18:57 < misl> hi folks
19:06 < valentin> hi misl 
19:22 < misl> rxr: results of your regtest build are:
19:22 < misl> regtest-alpha:  78 builds total, 69 completed fine, 9 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-arm:  78 builds total, 21 completed fine, 57 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-cris:  78 builds total, 8 completed fine, 1 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-hppa:  78 builds total, 2 completed fine, 1 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-hppa64:  79 builds total, 1 completed fine, 1 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-ia64:  78 builds total, 21 completed fine, 57 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-m68k:  78 builds total, 21 completed fine, 57 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-mips:  78 builds total, 2 completed fine, 1 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-powerpc:  78 builds total, 21 completed fine, 57 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-powerpc64:  79 builds total, 21 completed fine, 58 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-sh:  77 builds total, 7 completed fine, 1 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-sh64:  77 builds total, 2 completed fine, 1 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-sparc:  80 builds total, 26 completed fine, 54 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-sparc64:  81 builds total, 4 completed fine, 1 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-x86:  78 builds total, 27 completed fine, 51 with errors.
19:22 < misl> regtest-x86-64:  79 builds total, 75 completed fine, 4 with errors.
19:22 < misl> 11 more minutes before noisy will be shut down.
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19:40 < valentin> goan getting some chicken kebab, cu later
19:50 < owl> moin
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20:34 < rxr> misl: you are soo good to me ,-)
20:50 < CIA-15> rene * r12989 /branches/2.1/package/security/openssl/ (openssl.conf powerpc64.patch): * fixed openssl for powerpc64
20:55 < CIA-15> rene * r12990 /trunk/package/security/openssl/ (openssl.conf powerpc64.patch): * merged r12989 from branches/2.1: fixed openssl for powerpc64
22:22 < CIA-15> rene * r12991 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/powerpc64.patch: * fixed dietlibc for powerpc64 by pulling in CVS changes
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22:44 < rxr> n8 all
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22:50 < morfoh> bonsoir 
23:21 < rxr> http://www.ppcnux.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5828
23:34 < morfoh> rxr: nice
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23:58 < keinek> hi
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