--- Log opened Thu Oct 13 00:00:26 2005 00:51 < CIA-2> aldas * r12543 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-es/kde-i18n-es.desc: * updated kde-i18n-es (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3) 00:51 < CIA-2> aldas * r12544 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-it/kde-i18n-it.desc: * updated kde-i18n-it (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3) 00:52 < CIA-2> aldas * r12545 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-bg/kde-i18n-bg.desc: * updated kde-i18n-bg (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3) 00:52 < CIA-2> aldas * r12546 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-de/kde-i18n-de.desc: * updated kde-i18n-de (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3) 00:52 < CIA-2> aldas * r12547 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-fr/kde-i18n-fr.desc: * updated kde-i18n-fr (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3) 00:54 < mnemoc> Baldzius: thkans ;) 00:55 < Baldzius> mnemoc: so i should always do single commits ? 00:56 < mnemoc> as atomic as posible 00:56 < mnemoc> something you _known_ will be always applied complete and alone 00:57 < mnemoc> know* 00:57 < Baldzius> oh atomic :) 00:58 < mnemoc> ack 00:58 < Baldzius> how to make that one? 00:58 < Baldzius> maybe there also script 00:59 < mnemoc> for massive updates you can loop over svn st package/ output 01:00 < Baldzius> ic, thanks :) 01:00 < Baldzius> well time for bed 01:00 < Baldzius> good night :) 01:02 < morfoh> good night Baldzius :) 02:14 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.78] has joined #t2 02:15 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.91] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 02:18 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 02:25 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEE54F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 07:32 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178145192.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 07:32 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 RELEASED! | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 07:32 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Sat Sep 17 20:47:59 2005] 07:32 [Users #t2] 07:32 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-2 ] [ mtr_] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 07:32 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg_] [ SerWou ] [ valentin ] 07:32 [ Baldzius ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ Shingo--] 07:32 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 07:32 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 07:32 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 07:32 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 7 secs 08:19 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p578202A3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:33 < rxr> re 09:06 < rxr> 2086 builds total, 1889 completed fine, 197 with errors. 09:06 < rxr> below 200 errors! yay 09:13 < rxr> details sent to the list 09:13 * rxr away to uni cu 09:59 -!- nzg_ is now known as nzg 10:07 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 10:08 < Baldzius> good morning 10:22 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 10:25 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 10:30 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]"] 10:31 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 10:31 < CIA-2> aldas * r12548 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.desc: * updated alsa-driver (1.0.10rc1 -> 1.0.10rc2) 10:32 < CIA-2> aldas * r12549 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-lib/alsa-lib.desc: * updated alsa-lib (1.0.10rc1 -> 1.0.10rc2) 10:32 < CIA-2> aldas * r12550 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-oss/alsa-oss.desc: * updated alsa-oss (1.0.10rc1 -> 1.0.10rc2) 10:32 < CIA-2> aldas * r12551 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-tools/alsa-tools.desc: * updated alsa-tools (1.0.10rc1 -> 1.0.10rc2) 10:32 < CIA-2> aldas * r12552 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-utils/alsa-utils.desc: * updated alsa-utils (1.0.10rc1 -> 1.0.10rc2) 10:47 < CIA-2> aldas * r12553 /trunk/package/mail/pine/pine.desc: * updated pine (4.63 -> 4.64) 10:59 < owl> moin 11:01 < Baldzius> moin owl 11:07 < owl> hi Baldzius 11:10 -!- _Lewelly1 [i=protext@cpe-24-221-168-7.ca.sprintbbd.net] has joined #t2 11:12 -!- _Lewelly1 [i=protext@cpe-24-221-168-7.ca.sprintbbd.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:12 -!- _Lewelly1 [i=noninfla@cpe-24-221-168-7.ca.sprintbbd.net] has joined #t2 11:12 -!- _Lewelly1 [i=noninfla@cpe-24-221-168-7.ca.sprintbbd.net] has quit [Client Quit] 11:47 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] 11:55 < rxr> re 12:21 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 12:26 -!- karasz_ [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 12:30 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:31 -!- karasz_ is now known as karasz 13:04 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:20 < CIA-2> aldas * r12554 /trunk/package/network/wget/wget.desc: * updated wget (1.10.1 -> 1.10.2) 13:32 < CIA-2> aldas * r12555 /trunk/package/kde/kdebase/khotkeys-fix.patch: * removed khotkeys-fix.patch - we don't need it anymore 13:36 < Baldzius> hi rxr, are you here? 13:37 < Baldzius> i don't know what to do with hal.patch 13:37 < Baldzius> it breaks compile, but everything works without it 13:38 < Baldzius> i tried compiling kdebase with hal and without, everything compiles fine 13:38 < Baldzius> but i am not sure is it worth removing, what you say? 14:26 -!- sparc-kly|WORK [n=admin@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 14:32 < rxr> re 14:32 < rxr> Baldzius: remove for now 14:32 < rxr> I review as well then 14:33 < Baldzius> rxr: ok 14:37 < CIA-2> aldas * r12556 /trunk/package/kde/kdebase/hal_050.patch: 14:37 < CIA-2> * removed hal_050.patch from kdebase, everything compiles fine 14:37 < CIA-2> but i'm not sure, needs more testing 14:51 < sparc-kly|WORK> moin 15:02 < CIA-2> aldas * r12557 /trunk/package/kde/kdepim/hotfix.patch: * removed hotfix.patch from kdepim, we don't need it anymore 15:02 < Baldzius> moin sparc-kly* 15:03 < Baldzius> well i think kde 3.4.3 should compile now 15:05 -!- sparc-kly|WORK [n=admin@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:29 < CIA-2> aldas * r12558 /trunk/package/multimedia/kdetv/kdetv.desc: * updated kdetv (0.8.7 -> 0.8.8) 16:21 < rxr> hey - I think I got glibc on sparc to compile 16:21 < rxr> ... 16:22 < rxr> .o(whether it will run is another question) 16:22 < rxr> yep - built 16:22 < Baldzius> :) 16:24 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 16:25 < rxr> (that part at least - let's see if it finishes completely ...) 16:25 < morfoh> moin 16:25 < rxr> Baldzius: what country are you from Baldzius ? 16:25 < rxr> moin morfoh 16:26 < morfoh> rxr: btw, do you know if our mips support for dietlibc is mature ? 16:27 < rxr> oehm 16:27 < Baldzius> hi morfoh 16:28 < morfoh> hi Baldzius 16:28 < Baldzius> rxr: lithuania 16:28 < rxr> I think any dietlibc arch supported is mature, when statically linked 16:29 < mnemoc> moin 16:29 < rxr> morfoh: did you order a MIPS board ? 16:29 < rxr> moin mnemoc ! 16:29 < mnemoc> moin rxr 16:29 < rxr> mnemoc: got glibc on sparc to continue building 16:29 < mnemoc> rxr: :D 16:29 < rxr> grave hack - let's hope it runs ... 16:29 < Baldzius> hi mnemoc 16:29 < rxr> still building on my subnotebook ... 16:30 < morfoh> moin mnemoc :) 16:30 < rxr> morfoh: do you still plan to order a MIPS board? 16:30 < morfoh> yes 16:30 < rxr> morfoh: I could order a ARM board then ... 16:30 < mnemoc> moin Baldzius, morfoh 16:30 < morfoh> rxr: what arm board ? 16:30 < rxr> morfoh: saw a commercial for a embedded ARM for in the linux journal 16:31 < rxr> i can take a look when I'm home 16:31 < rxr> it was about 100USD but not as expandable as the MIPS router board 16:31 < morfoh> rxr: :) 16:31 < mnemoc> .oO( what are they talking about? )o 16:31 < morfoh> rxr: ideed the mips board is a bit more expensive 16:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: about embedded boards ;) 16:32 < rxr> I think I'll push intel to hand us som Intanium systems - with so many vendors jumping off the boat they might be more willing to support mature OS community projects ... 16:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: :\ 16:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: embedded sedu needs hardware to run on 16:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: why :\ ? 16:32 < mnemoc> *g* 16:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: :\ because it was obvious you were talking about embedded boards :) 16:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... sorry for that supid answer :p 16:33 < morfoh> stupid 16:34 < mnemoc> forgiven 16:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: many thanks master :) 16:34 -!- sparc-kly|WORK [n=admin@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 16:34 < Baldzius> :))) 16:34 < mnemoc> rxr: does that really work there? 16:37 < rxr> mnemoc: what ? 16:38 < mnemoc> I think I'll push intel to hand us som Intanium systems <--- that 16:38 < rxr> I want to try ,-) 16:38 < rxr> I do not know yet 16:39 < rxr> but on last years cebit intel was interesting - though the I lost that contact ... 16:40 < mnemoc> :) 16:40 < mnemoc> will t2 be at next cebit? 16:42 < rxr> I hope so - as we have been this year ... 16:42 * morfoh likes this nice routerboard 16:43 < morfoh> rxr: how do proceed normally while asking for a test system ? just via email ? 16:44 < mnemoc> morfoh: routerboard is expensive and they (at least by email) refuse to sell it software-less, and no discunts for non-distributors 16:44 < mnemoc> distributors must send for training at least 2 technitians 16:44 < mnemoc> and pay around 1000 EUR per day per person 16:44 < morfoh> pfff ... what a heck 16:45 < mnemoc> iirc it was 5 days for training on their software 16:53 < mnemoc> it's very nice to play on a vserver over unionfs and all the changes :p 16:54 < morfoh> :D 16:58 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - yet another issue on sparc 16:58 < rxr> mnemoc: _DYNAMIC or so was undefined 16:58 < rxr> mnemoc: reason unknown 16:58 < rxr> damn crap code 16:58 < rxr> mnemoc: I try the latest 2.4 snapshot 16:58 < rxr> maybe you get 2.4 glibc on trunk sooner than I wanted to 17:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, so you fixed the unionfs problems ? 17:04 < mnemoc> morfoh: if you to write on the ro volume, no problem :) 17:04 < mnemoc> rxr: *noface* 17:06 < rxr> cu 17:08 < mnemoc> cu ;) 17:09 < morfoh> cu rxr 17:10 < morfoh> ok ... I have to go too ... cu later 17:13 < morfoh> bye 17:13 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["leaving"] 17:43 < rxr> re 17:49 < mnemoc> wb rxr 18:00 -!- sparc-kly|WORK [n=admin@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:12 < rxr> I might be forced to buy a PCI eXpress enabled mainboard :-( 18:13 < mnemoc> uhm? 18:17 < rxr> yeah - contract stuff 18:19 < mnemoc> current or new? 18:22 < rxr> archvista work 18:24 < mnemoc> it seems the expected 3 weeks works got a bit longer 18:27 < rxr> glibc latest snapshot built cross for sparc64 ... 18:27 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - new feature here, there this that 18:28 < rxr> they have a lot more than the stuff they wanted in 3 weeks ... 18:28 < rxr> and they pay for any extra work - so all fine ... 18:28 < mnemoc> i imagine ;) 18:39 < CIA-2> rene * r12559 /trunk/package/base/glibc32/glibc32.conf: * fixed typo and double tarball extraction in glibc32 18:40 < mnemoc> rxr: have you seen custom autoextract? 18:46 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEFE20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 18:48 < morfoh> re hi 18:53 < mnemoc> wb morfoh 19:09 * rxr rewrote glibc32.conf 19:09 < rxr> glibc32.conf | 72 ++++++----------------------------------------------------- 19:15 < mnemoc> oh 19:21 < rxr> that is reuse glibc.conf ,-)! 19:24 < Baldzius> hm seems openldap is fixed, can i remove old patch and add new if it's just adaption {rewrite} of old one? 19:25 < Baldzius> with some modifications 19:26 < rxr> if it is rewrite / adaption just commit the updated patch so the chages have a history 19:28 < morfoh> Baldzius: and the well known openldap users here will kick you if you produced crap ;) 19:28 * morfoh hides 19:28 < Baldzius> :) 19:29 < Baldzius> well in that case i can send patch to ML first 19:29 < morfoh> Baldzius: nah! ;) 19:29 < morfoh> just joking 19:29 < Baldzius> :) 19:30 < Baldzius> ok so i update package first to newer version , then patch 19:31 < Baldzius> or should i do that as 1 commit? 19:31 < Baldzius> i guess mnemoc doesn't like that :) 19:32 < morfoh> Baldzius: if the patch has to be applied for the new version I guess 1 commit is ok 19:32 < Baldzius> i wait for mnemoc, but thanks :) 19:32 < mnemoc> o.o 19:33 < CIA-2> rene * r12560 /trunk/target/archivista/ (LICENSE build_initrd.sh rootfs/etc/stone.d/mod_grub.sh): * unified and changed boot labels and license file to list Archivista _Box_ 19:33 < mnemoc> Baldzius: i'm about to commir openldap 2.3.11 untested 19:34 < Baldzius> mnemoc: no need i have it and working patch for it 19:34 < mnemoc> if the patch is mandatory to make it work, do a single one 19:34 < mnemoc> if the patch does something else, send two or more patches 19:35 < mnemoc> commits* 19:35 < Baldzius> patch is one 19:35 < Baldzius> sasl2 issue 19:36 < Baldzius> well i can send svn diff to you 19:36 < mnemoc> can you publish it? 19:36 < mnemoc> (http) 19:37 < Baldzius> hm, let me see 19:37 < Baldzius> min 19:42 < Baldzius> mnemoc: http://85.206.103.68/t2/openldap.diff 19:43 < mnemoc> Baldzius: no feature changes or cleanup, so... one commit is ok :) 19:46 < rxr> glibc/glibc.conf | 30 +++++++++++++------- 19:46 < rxr> glibc32/glibc32.conf | 74 ++++++--------------------------------------------- 19:46 < rxr> 2 files changed, 28 insertions(+), 76 deletions(-) 19:46 < Baldzius> mnemoc: can you test that ? 19:47 < Baldzius> it compiles for me fine 19:48 < mnemoc> Baldzius: if compiles fine for you, you can freely commit into trunk 19:48 < Baldzius> ok 19:48 < Baldzius> i will test it one more time :) 19:48 < mnemoc> good :) 20:09 < CIA-2> aldas * r12561 /trunk/package/network/openldap/ (openldap.desc sasl2.patch): 20:09 < CIA-2> * updated openldap (2.3.9 -> 2.3.11) 20:09 < CIA-2> * adapted sasl2.patch for openldap-2.3.* tree 20:17 < owl> re 20:17 < morfoh> hi owl :) 20:17 < mnemoc> wb owlinette 20:17 < mnemoc> Baldzius: thanks 20:17 < morfoh> oho! :) 20:19 < Baldzius> :) 20:20 < Baldzius> i hope it works :) 20:20 < mnemoc> it's better than before anyway 20:24 < Baldzius> http://members.thai.net/sinthai/thehouse.htm <-- for fun 20:25 -!- minto [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 20:25 < minto> hi folks 20:26 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 20:33 < mnemoc> hi minto 20:33 < morfoh> hi minto :) 20:33 < minto> hi mnemoc, how are things going? 20:33 < mnemoc> minto: when will noisy be available? ;) 20:33 < minto> hi morfoh 20:33 < mnemoc> minto: fine fine, and you? 20:34 < minto> mnemoc: I guess in the weekend from about 9 till 7 in the evening 20:34 < morfoh> minto: seems that master mnemoc is satisfied by his new vserver toys :) 20:34 < minto> mnemoc: I am fine too 20:35 < minto> new toys? tell me more :) 20:35 < morfoh> minto: I can't talk about it ... master has to do it for himself :p 20:35 < mnemoc> uhm? why? 20:36 < minto> Well master, please inform your students :) 20:36 < morfoh> :D 20:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: now you know why :p 20:38 < mnemoc> o.o 20:39 < owl> http://gallery.karnaya.de/v/user-alben/owl/misc/leihnotebook_saturn/ <- interesting notebook. someone wants to laugh? 20:39 < minto> morfoh: And still he refuses to tell :) 20:39 < mnemoc> nothing special... just installing a few 2.1/mnemosyne2 based targets over unionfs on an also 2.1/mnemosyne2 based vserver host 20:41 < mnemoc> do you know any cheap way to use/convert/switch/whatever lpt/epp from rs232 (db9) ports? 20:41 < morfoh> owl: why laughing ? the case doesn't look that healthy ;) 20:43 < owl> morfoh: this case had voltage on itself... and: it was "borrowed" me as "replacement" for my defect laptop - borrowed from a really large electro market 20:44 < morfoh> minto: look ... mnemoc mostly doesn't refuse to tell. As every master he has to prepare himself and the answer before :) 20:44 < owl> morfoh: btw, you wanted to upload fotos of your rad :) 20:45 < morfoh> owl: oh! yep ... mom ... I'll send you the link. sorry :) 20:45 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you wanna convert ? 20:45 < owl> morfoh: thx ;) 20:45 < minto> morfoh: He is a real master. Right after giving us some info he adds a question to test our knowledge :) 20:46 < mnemoc> rxr: i have to plug to old printers into machines without lpt ports :\ 20:46 < morfoh> minto: yes ... as I told you :) 20:47 < mnemoc> rxr: preferibly without using aditional isa/pci cards 20:48 < rxr> you want to connect a serial device to the parallel port ? 20:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: do the printers have serial suppport ? 20:48 < mnemoc> morfoh: nope, the box has 20:48 < mnemoc> rxr: the other way 20:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: but you'l need a printer with serial support then 20:49 < morfoh> afaik 20:50 < morfoh> rtfm of the printers ;) 20:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: i can't change the printers 20:51 < morfoh> and I just know line printers with both interfaces 20:51 < mnemoc> i have to change the computers to something *small&cheap* 20:51 < morfoh> if they have ser support 20:53 < mnemoc> http://www.superwarehouse.com/Panasonic_KX-P1150/KX-P1150/p/66080 <-- this 'thing' 20:53 < morfoh> i think you've to add a lpt card then 20:53 < mnemoc> :\ 20:54 -!- karasz [n=chatzill@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 20:54 < minto> mnemoc: or maybe use an old computer with lpt as print server 20:54 < morfoh> Memory 4K :) 20:54 < karasz> moin all 20:54 < minto> hi karasz 20:54 < morfoh> Connectivity Ports Parallel 20:57 < mnemoc> each POS needsand have two printers... i was asked to change that into 'embedded' running an the console based app from a central server 20:57 < mnemoc> but i have to keep those printers there and working 'just like now' 20:58 < mnemoc> i was thinking in 386 pc104 with eth... but i can't find a damn epp pc104 module :\ 20:59 * rxr reordered more parts of glibc.conf now as well 21:02 < mnemoc> rxr: is that clean up valid for 2.1? 21:03 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm 21:03 < rxr> mnemoc: don't thouch it when you don't need it ,-) 21:03 < rxr> I mean - as long as it works ,-) 21:04 < rxr> mnemoc: you could add some ICs to make a parallel port on a serial port 21:04 < rxr> but - well, do you really want that? 21:04 < rxr> I could also write some AVR assembly (or even C?) to do this in a Atmel RISC 6 EUR chip ... 21:04 < rxr> but it will be slow 21:04 < rxr> since the serial port is so sow 21:05 < mnemoc> ic 21:06 < rxr> though for char printing (not graphical mode stuff) it might be sufficient ... 21:07 < rxr> do you really need it? 21:07 < rxr> should I start doing it for a AVR chip ? 21:08 < mnemoc> i don't really know what to do 21:09 < rxr> there are boxes that do ethernet to LPT - called print server boxes 21:10 < rxr> you want a real linux near the printers ? 21:14 < mnemoc> the printer has to have on the POSs 21:14 < mnemoc> about 20 POSs 21:15 < mnemoc> 5 on a road on each 'site' 21:19 * mnemoc puzzled 21:22 < rxr> why puzzled ? 21:23 < rxr> http://www.embeddedarm.com/ 21:23 < rxr> http://www.embeddedarm.com/epc/ts7200-spec-h.html 21:23 < rxr> ^- this is in an add in the linux journal 21:23 < rxr> then there is: 21:24 < rxr> http://www.routerboard.com 21:24 -!- minto [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 21:25 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 21:25 < mnemoc> http://www.embeddedarm.com/epc/ts3100-spec-p.php <--- how can it be _that_ expensive 21:25 < rxr> and this in another add: 21:25 < rxr> http://www.thinlinx.com/ 21:25 < mnemoc> thanks ;) 21:27 < rxr> glibc/glibc.conf | 68 ++++++++++++++++++++++++---------------------- 21:27 < rxr> glibc32/glibc32.conf | 74 ++++++--------------------------------------------- 21:27 < rxr> 2 files changed, 45 insertions(+), 97 deletions(-) 21:27 < rxr> .oO 21:28 < mnemoc> commit small, commit often :p 21:28 < rxr> mnemoc: I commit when it passes a bootstrap ,-) 21:28 < rxr> this thinlinx will be about 299USD 21:29 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea why it is so expensive - guess they wanna also make money++ 21:31 < mnemoc> rxr: making something like that buying the board seems to be _highly_ expensive 21:34 < mnemoc> i just need to make a cheap console based thin client :'( 21:35 < rxr> how cheap? 21:37 < mnemoc> 100 dollars, just the box 21:37 < rxr> what kind of console? 21:38 < rxr> tiny dot matrix LCD ? 21:39 < rxr> maybe I should design an own ARM embeded board to get acceptable prices .. 21:39 < mnemoc> CRT + ncurses + 2 dot matrix parallel printers + 10mbps ethernet 21:39 < mnemoc> i can't make hardware :\ 21:41 * minto_ is tired 21:41 < minto_> I am off to bed, sleep well all. 21:41 < rxr> http://betacomp.com/embedded.html 21:41 < rxr> ^- MIPS but also too expensive - 10USD 21:41 < rxr> 100USD even 21:41 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"] 21:44 < rxr> http://www.embeddedplanet.com/products/ep1000.asp 21:45 < rxr> ^- Cool AMD Alchemy MIPS 21:46 < rxr> http://www.embeddedplanet.com/products/ep89712.asp 21:46 < rxr> ^- maybe this is cheaper 21:46 < rxr> this company does not seem to list prices on the web :-( 21:47 < mnemoc> most doesn't :\ 21:50 < mnemoc> that cheaper is 395.00 dollars! 21:51 < rxr> what? 21:51 < rxr> how did you found out? 21:51 < mnemoc> "buy online" 21:51 < rxr> this damn tiny board with only 16MB or RAM and 1MB flash? 21:51 < morfoh> rxr: mnemoc finds out every price :) 21:51 < rxr> are they drunk ? 21:52 < mnemoc> this whole business seem to be drunk 21:52 < mnemoc> "The EP89712 is a low cost, ....." ?? 21:52 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe only the dev board with cable, paper, ... 21:52 < rxr> the "tiny" board is quite minimal 21:53 < rxr> maybe mail someone and ask about real work system integrator price for a board that looks useful 21:54 < rxr> mnemoc: is this project concrete? how many boxes in the final installation ? 21:54 < mnemoc> about 20 21:55 < mnemoc> but imposible with those prices 21:58 < mnemoc> do you know how people connect perifericals to pc104 things? they have pins all around and no connectors :p 21:59 < rxr> I have not yet used / reviewed pc104 22:01 < rxr> mnemoc: select 2-3 boards thare could be useful and ask about system integrator prices when you order 20 - let's see what they want for that 22:02 < CIA-2> rene * r12562 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.1.4 -> 4.1.6) 22:03 < mnemoc> let see if they answer 22:04 < rxr> write 20 in the beginning 22:04 < rxr> this sound as if there is potention to sell more 22:04 < rxr> they might calculate a bit more agressive then 22:09 < rxr> hm - my subnotebook really builds stuff faster than my athlon ... 22:12 < rxr> :-( 22:16 < owl> hi rxr 22:17 < rxr> hello owl 22:23 < rxr> == 10/13/05 22:21:53 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc. 22:23 < rxr> ^- next cleanup round glibc* packages cross building for sparc64 ... 22:33 * rxr starting a new reference, with updated glibc .... 22:40 < CIA-2> rene * r12563 /trunk/scripts/functions.in: 22:40 < CIA-2> * removed grave historic config.cache creation relict, it is totally 22:40 < CIA-2> wrong in stage 0 and makes lzo fail on cross builds and can 22:40 < CIA-2> potentially cause other headache here and there 22:57 < morfoh> re 22:58 < rxr> hi morfoh 23:08 < jsaw> re 23:09 < jsaw> did somebody experience problems building linux26? (sth. with kallsyms) 23:10 < morfoh> hi jsaw 23:10 < jsaw> hi morfoh 23:14 < rxr> hi jsaw 23:15 < jsaw> hi rxr 23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: new trunk cache files ? 23:16 < rxr> we need to quantize size and time and make later some system indipendant value divided by some bogoMIPS value ... 23:18 < rxr> == 23:15:47 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [20051010 2.2.0-alpha]. 23:18 < rxr> ^- this time for x86 23:25 < mnemoc> rxr: i do references on 2.1 ;) 23:28 < rxr> mnemoc: I meant, should I commit them ... - or invent quantize rules before I inject new ones ? 23:30 < mnemoc> just commit them ;) 23:31 < mnemoc> http://www.rtdusa.com/PC104/CM/processor_geode.htm <--- what those prices can be? 23:32 < mnemoc> i really don't understand this 23:32 < mnemoc> bbl 23:36 < rxr> mnemoc: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4055022578.html 23:37 < morfoh> cu mnemoc 23:42 < morfoh> rxr: nice :) 23:43 < rxr> but all to expensive for mnemoc's use case 23:45 < morfoh> rxr: what is the price limit ? 23:45 < rxr> 100USD for the complete printer connected box 23:46 < morfoh> oh! 23:47 < CIA-2> rene * r12564 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config: 23:47 < CIA-2> * used sparcv9 for 32bit built user-space apps in sparc64, this does 23:47 < CIA-2> fix building glibc with TLS / NPTL enabled since otherwise atomic 23:47 < CIA-2> locking instructions can not be used 23:48 < CIA-2> rene * r12565 /trunk/architecture/sparc/ (archtest.out archtest.sh): 23:48 < CIA-2> * likewise arch use for sparc (TLS / NPTL for sparcv9 and above in 23:48 < CIA-2> 32bit mode for sparc builds) - untested 23:56 < karasz> good night biys and girls 23:56 < karasz> s/bi/bo 23:56 < CIA-2> aldas * r12566 /trunk/package/multimedia/linphone/linphone.desc: * updated linphone (1.0.1 -> 1.1.0) 23:56 < Baldzius> gn8 karasz 23:57 < rxr> n8 Baldzius 23:57 < Baldzius> rxr: i'm not going anywhere :) 23:57 < rxr> n8 karasz 23:57 < rxr> Baldzius: oops 23:57 < Baldzius> :) 23:57 < rxr> fat glibc needs sooooo looooooooong to test build - my oh my ... --- Log closed Fri Oct 14 00:00:27 2005