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T2 IRC Log: 2005-10-13

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--- Log opened Thu Oct 13 00:00:26 2005
00:51 < CIA-2> aldas * r12543 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-es/kde-i18n-es.desc: * updated kde-i18n-es (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3)
00:51 < CIA-2> aldas * r12544 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-it/kde-i18n-it.desc: * updated kde-i18n-it (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3)
00:52 < CIA-2> aldas * r12545 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-bg/kde-i18n-bg.desc: * updated kde-i18n-bg (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3)
00:52 < CIA-2> aldas * r12546 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-de/kde-i18n-de.desc: * updated kde-i18n-de (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3)
00:52 < CIA-2> aldas * r12547 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-fr/kde-i18n-fr.desc: * updated kde-i18n-fr (3.4.2 -> 3.4.3)
00:54 < mnemoc> Baldzius: thkans ;)
00:55 < Baldzius> mnemoc: so i should always do single commits ?
00:56 < mnemoc> as atomic as posible
00:56 < mnemoc> something you _known_ will be always applied complete and alone
00:57 < mnemoc> know*
00:57 < Baldzius> oh atomic :)
00:58 < mnemoc> ack
00:58 < Baldzius> how to make that one?
00:58 < Baldzius> maybe there also script
00:59 < mnemoc> for massive updates you can loop over svn st package/ output
01:00 < Baldzius> ic, thanks :)
01:00 < Baldzius> well time for bed
01:00 < Baldzius> good night :)
01:02 < morfoh> good night Baldzius :)
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07:32 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 RELEASED! | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
07:32 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Sat Sep 17 20:47:59 2005]
07:32 [Users #t2]
07:32 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-2 ] [ mtr_] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
07:32 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg_] [ SerWou ] [ valentin ]
07:32 [ Baldzius ] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ Shingo--]
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08:33 < rxr> re
09:06 < rxr> 2086 builds total, 1889 completed fine, 197 with errors.
09:06 < rxr> below 200 errors! yay
09:13 < rxr> details sent to the list
09:13 * rxr away to uni cu
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10:08 < Baldzius> good morning
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10:31 < CIA-2> aldas * r12548 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.desc: * updated alsa-driver (1.0.10rc1 -> 1.0.10rc2)
10:32 < CIA-2> aldas * r12549 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-lib/alsa-lib.desc: * updated alsa-lib (1.0.10rc1 -> 1.0.10rc2)
10:32 < CIA-2> aldas * r12550 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-oss/alsa-oss.desc: * updated alsa-oss (1.0.10rc1 -> 1.0.10rc2)
10:32 < CIA-2> aldas * r12551 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-tools/alsa-tools.desc: * updated alsa-tools (1.0.10rc1 -> 1.0.10rc2)
10:32 < CIA-2> aldas * r12552 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-utils/alsa-utils.desc: * updated alsa-utils (1.0.10rc1 -> 1.0.10rc2)
10:47 < CIA-2> aldas * r12553 /trunk/package/mail/pine/pine.desc: * updated pine (4.63 -> 4.64)
10:59 < owl> moin
11:01 < Baldzius> moin owl
11:07 < owl> hi Baldzius
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11:55 < rxr> re
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13:20 < CIA-2> aldas * r12554 /trunk/package/network/wget/wget.desc: * updated wget (1.10.1 -> 1.10.2)
13:32 < CIA-2> aldas * r12555 /trunk/package/kde/kdebase/khotkeys-fix.patch: * removed khotkeys-fix.patch - we don't need it anymore
13:36 < Baldzius> hi rxr, are you here?
13:37 < Baldzius> i don't know what to do with hal.patch
13:37 < Baldzius> it breaks compile, but everything works without it
13:38 < Baldzius> i tried compiling kdebase with hal and without, everything compiles fine
13:38 < Baldzius> but i am not sure is it worth removing, what you say?
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14:32 < rxr> re
14:32 < rxr> Baldzius: remove for now
14:32 < rxr> I review as well then
14:33 < Baldzius> rxr: ok
14:37 < CIA-2> aldas * r12556 /trunk/package/kde/kdebase/hal_050.patch:
14:37 < CIA-2> * removed hal_050.patch from kdebase, everything compiles fine
14:37 < CIA-2> but i'm not sure, needs more testing
14:51 < sparc-kly|WORK> moin
15:02 < CIA-2> aldas * r12557 /trunk/package/kde/kdepim/hotfix.patch: * removed hotfix.patch from kdepim, we don't need it anymore
15:02 < Baldzius> moin sparc-kly*
15:03 < Baldzius> well i think kde 3.4.3 should compile now
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15:29 < CIA-2> aldas * r12558 /trunk/package/multimedia/kdetv/kdetv.desc: * updated kdetv (0.8.7 -> 0.8.8)
16:21 < rxr> hey - I think I got glibc on sparc to compile
16:21 < rxr> ...
16:22 < rxr> .o(whether it will run is another question)
16:22 < rxr> yep - built
16:22 < Baldzius> :)
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16:25 < rxr> (that part at least - let's see if it finishes completely ...)
16:25 < morfoh> moin
16:25 < rxr> Baldzius: what country are you from Baldzius ?
16:25 < rxr> moin morfoh
16:26 < morfoh> rxr: btw, do you know if our mips support for dietlibc is mature ?
16:27 < rxr> oehm
16:27 < Baldzius> hi morfoh
16:28 < morfoh> hi Baldzius
16:28 < Baldzius> rxr: lithuania
16:28 < rxr> I think any dietlibc arch supported is mature, when statically linked
16:29 < mnemoc> moin
16:29 < rxr> morfoh: did you order a MIPS board ?
16:29 < rxr> moin mnemoc !
16:29 < mnemoc> moin rxr
16:29 < rxr> mnemoc: got glibc on sparc to continue building
16:29 < mnemoc> rxr: :D
16:29 < rxr> grave hack - let's hope it runs ...
16:29 < Baldzius> hi mnemoc
16:29 < rxr> still building on my subnotebook ...
16:30 < morfoh> moin mnemoc :)
16:30 < rxr> morfoh: do you still plan to order a MIPS board?
16:30 < morfoh> yes
16:30 < rxr> morfoh: I could order a ARM board then ...
16:30 < mnemoc> moin Baldzius, morfoh
16:30 < morfoh> rxr: what arm board ?
16:30 < rxr> morfoh: saw a commercial for a embedded ARM for in the linux journal
16:31 < rxr> i can take a look when I'm home
16:31 < rxr> it was about 100USD but not as expandable as the MIPS router board
16:31 < morfoh> rxr: :)
16:31 < mnemoc> .oO( what are they talking about? )o
16:31 < morfoh> rxr: ideed the mips board is a bit more expensive
16:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: about embedded boards ;)
16:32 < rxr> I think I'll push intel to hand us som Intanium systems - with so many vendors jumping off the boat they might be more willing to support mature OS community projects ...
16:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: :\
16:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: embedded sedu needs hardware to run on
16:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: why :\ ?
16:32 < mnemoc> *g*
16:33 < mnemoc> morfoh: :\ because it was obvious you were talking about embedded boards :)
16:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... sorry for that supid answer :p
16:33 < morfoh> stupid
16:34 < mnemoc> forgiven
16:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: many thanks master :)
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16:34 < Baldzius> :)))
16:34 < mnemoc> rxr: does that really work there?
16:37 < rxr> mnemoc: what ?
16:38 < mnemoc> I think I'll push intel to hand us som Intanium systems <--- that
16:38 < rxr> I want to try ,-)
16:38 < rxr> I do not know yet
16:39 < rxr> but on last years cebit intel was interesting - though the I lost that contact ...
16:40 < mnemoc> :)
16:40 < mnemoc> will t2 be at next cebit?
16:42 < rxr> I hope so - as we have been this year ...
16:42 * morfoh likes this nice routerboard
16:43 < morfoh> rxr: how do proceed normally while asking for a test system ? just via email ?
16:44 < mnemoc> morfoh: routerboard is expensive and they (at least by email) refuse to sell it software-less, and no discunts for non-distributors
16:44 < mnemoc> distributors must send for training at least 2 technitians
16:44 < mnemoc> and pay around 1000 EUR per day per person
16:44 < morfoh> pfff ... what a heck
16:45 < mnemoc> iirc it was 5 days for training on their software
16:53 < mnemoc> it's very nice to play on a vserver over unionfs and all the changes :p
16:54 < morfoh> :D
16:58 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - yet another issue on sparc
16:58 < rxr> mnemoc: _DYNAMIC or so was undefined
16:58 < rxr> mnemoc: reason unknown
16:58 < rxr> damn crap code
16:58 < rxr> mnemoc: I try the latest 2.4 snapshot
16:58 < rxr> maybe you get 2.4 glibc on trunk sooner than I wanted to
17:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, so you fixed the unionfs problems ?
17:04 < mnemoc> morfoh: if you to write on the ro volume, no problem :)
17:04 < mnemoc> rxr: *noface*
17:06 < rxr> cu
17:08 < mnemoc> cu ;)
17:09 < morfoh> cu rxr
17:10 < morfoh> ok ... I have to go too ... cu later
17:13 < morfoh> bye
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17:43 < rxr> re
17:49 < mnemoc> wb rxr
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18:12 < rxr> I might be forced to buy a PCI eXpress enabled mainboard :-(
18:13 < mnemoc> uhm?
18:17 < rxr> yeah - contract stuff
18:19 < mnemoc> current or new?
18:22 < rxr> archvista work
18:24 < mnemoc> it seems the expected 3 weeks works got a bit longer
18:27 < rxr> glibc latest snapshot built cross for sparc64 ...
18:27 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - new feature here, there this that
18:28 < rxr> they have a lot more than the stuff they wanted in 3 weeks ...
18:28 < rxr> and they pay for any extra work - so all fine ...
18:28 < mnemoc> i imagine ;)
18:39 < CIA-2> rene * r12559 /trunk/package/base/glibc32/glibc32.conf: * fixed typo and double tarball extraction in glibc32
18:40 < mnemoc> rxr: have you seen custom autoextract?
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18:48 < morfoh> re hi
18:53 < mnemoc> wb morfoh
19:09 * rxr rewrote glibc32.conf
19:09 < rxr> glibc32.conf | 72 ++++++-----------------------------------------------------
19:15 < mnemoc> oh
19:21 < rxr> that is reuse glibc.conf ,-)!
19:24 < Baldzius> hm seems openldap is fixed, can i remove old patch and add new if it's just adaption {rewrite} of old one?
19:25 < Baldzius> with some modifications
19:26 < rxr> if it is rewrite / adaption just commit the updated patch so the chages have a history
19:28 < morfoh> Baldzius: and the well known openldap users here will kick you if you produced crap ;)
19:28 * morfoh hides
19:28 < Baldzius> :)
19:29 < Baldzius> well in that case i can send patch to ML first
19:29 < morfoh> Baldzius: nah! ;)
19:29 < morfoh> just joking
19:29 < Baldzius> :)
19:30 < Baldzius> ok so i update package first to newer version , then patch
19:31 < Baldzius> or should i do that as 1 commit?
19:31 < Baldzius> i guess mnemoc doesn't like that :)
19:32 < morfoh> Baldzius: if the patch has to be applied for the new version I guess 1 commit is ok
19:32 < Baldzius> i wait for mnemoc, but thanks :)
19:32 < mnemoc> o.o
19:33 < CIA-2> rene * r12560 /trunk/target/archivista/ (LICENSE build_initrd.sh rootfs/etc/stone.d/mod_grub.sh): * unified and changed boot labels and license file to list Archivista _Box_
19:33 < mnemoc> Baldzius: i'm about to commir openldap 2.3.11 untested
19:34 < Baldzius> mnemoc: no need i have it and working patch for it
19:34 < mnemoc> if the patch is mandatory to make it work, do a single one
19:34 < mnemoc> if the patch does something else, send two or more patches
19:35 < mnemoc> commits*
19:35 < Baldzius> patch is one
19:35 < Baldzius> sasl2 issue
19:36 < Baldzius> well i can send svn diff to you
19:36 < mnemoc> can you publish it?
19:36 < mnemoc> (http)
19:37 < Baldzius> hm, let me see
19:37 < Baldzius> min
19:42 < Baldzius> mnemoc: http://85.206.103.68/t2/openldap.diff
19:43 < mnemoc> Baldzius: no feature changes or cleanup, so... one commit is ok :)
19:46 < rxr> glibc/glibc.conf | 30 +++++++++++++-------
19:46 < rxr> glibc32/glibc32.conf | 74 ++++++---------------------------------------------
19:46 < rxr> 2 files changed, 28 insertions(+), 76 deletions(-)
19:46 < Baldzius> mnemoc: can you test that ?
19:47 < Baldzius> it compiles for me fine
19:48 < mnemoc> Baldzius: if compiles fine for you, you can freely commit into trunk
19:48 < Baldzius> ok
19:48 < Baldzius> i will test it one more time :)
19:48 < mnemoc> good :)
20:09 < CIA-2> aldas * r12561 /trunk/package/network/openldap/ (openldap.desc sasl2.patch):
20:09 < CIA-2> * updated openldap (2.3.9 -> 2.3.11)
20:09 < CIA-2> * adapted sasl2.patch for openldap-2.3.* tree
20:17 < owl> re
20:17 < morfoh> hi owl :)
20:17 < mnemoc> wb owlinette
20:17 < mnemoc> Baldzius: thanks
20:17 < morfoh> oho! :)
20:19 < Baldzius> :)
20:20 < Baldzius> i hope it works :)
20:20 < mnemoc> it's better than before anyway
20:24 < Baldzius> http://members.thai.net/sinthai/thehouse.htm <-- for fun
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20:25 < minto> hi folks
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20:33 < mnemoc> hi minto
20:33 < morfoh> hi minto :)
20:33 < minto> hi mnemoc, how are things going?
20:33 < mnemoc> minto: when will noisy be available? ;)
20:33 < minto> hi morfoh
20:33 < mnemoc> minto: fine fine, and you?
20:34 < minto> mnemoc: I guess in the weekend from about 9 till 7 in the evening
20:34 < morfoh> minto: seems that master mnemoc is satisfied by his new vserver toys :)
20:34 < minto> mnemoc: I am fine too
20:35 < minto> new toys? tell me more :)
20:35 < morfoh> minto: I can't talk about it ... master has to do it for himself :p
20:35 < mnemoc> uhm? why?
20:36 < minto> Well master, please inform your students :)
20:36 < morfoh> :D
20:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: now you know why :p
20:38 < mnemoc> o.o
20:39 < owl> http://gallery.karnaya.de/v/user-alben/owl/misc/leihnotebook_saturn/ <- interesting notebook. someone wants to laugh?
20:39 < minto> morfoh: And still he refuses to tell :)
20:39 < mnemoc> nothing special... just installing a few 2.1/mnemosyne2 based targets over unionfs on an also 2.1/mnemosyne2 based vserver host
20:41 < mnemoc> do you know any cheap way to use/convert/switch/whatever lpt/epp from rs232 (db9) ports?
20:41 < morfoh> owl: why laughing ? the case doesn't look that healthy ;)
20:43 < owl> morfoh: this case had voltage on itself... and: it was "borrowed" me as "replacement" for my defect laptop - borrowed from a really large electro market
20:44 < morfoh> minto: look ... mnemoc mostly doesn't refuse to tell. As every master he has to prepare himself and the answer before :)
20:44 < owl> morfoh: btw, you wanted to upload fotos of your rad :)
20:45 < morfoh> owl: oh! yep ... mom ... I'll send you the link. sorry :)
20:45 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you wanna convert ?
20:45 < owl> morfoh: thx ;)
20:45 < minto> morfoh: He is a real master. Right after giving us some info he adds a question to test our knowledge :)
20:46 < mnemoc> rxr: i have to plug to old printers into machines without lpt ports :\
20:46 < morfoh> minto: yes ... as I told you :)
20:47 < mnemoc> rxr: preferibly without using aditional isa/pci cards
20:48 < rxr> you want to connect a serial device to the parallel port ?
20:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: do the printers have serial suppport ?
20:48 < mnemoc> morfoh: nope, the box has
20:48 < mnemoc> rxr: the other way
20:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: but you'l need a printer with serial support then
20:49 < morfoh> afaik
20:50 < morfoh> rtfm of the printers ;)
20:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: i can't change the printers
20:51 < morfoh> and I just know line printers with both interfaces
20:51 < mnemoc> i have to change the computers to something *small&cheap*
20:51 < morfoh> if they have ser support
20:53 < mnemoc> http://www.superwarehouse.com/Panasonic_KX-P1150/KX-P1150/p/66080 <-- this 'thing'
20:53 < morfoh> i think you've to add a lpt card then
20:53 < mnemoc> :\
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20:54 < minto> mnemoc: or maybe use an old computer with lpt as print server
20:54 < morfoh> Memory 4K :)
20:54 < karasz> moin all
20:54 < minto> hi karasz
20:54 < morfoh> Connectivity Ports Parallel
20:57 < mnemoc> each POS needsand have two printers... i was asked to change that into 'embedded' running an the console based app from a central server
20:57 < mnemoc> but i have to keep those printers there and working 'just like now'
20:58 < mnemoc> i was thinking in 386 pc104 with eth... but i can't find a damn epp pc104 module :\
20:59 * rxr reordered more parts of glibc.conf now as well
21:02 < mnemoc> rxr: is that clean up valid for 2.1?
21:03 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm
21:03 < rxr> mnemoc: don't thouch it when you don't need it ,-)
21:03 < rxr> I mean - as long as it works ,-)
21:04 < rxr> mnemoc: you could add some ICs to make a parallel port on a serial port
21:04 < rxr> but - well, do you really want that?
21:04 < rxr> I could also write some AVR assembly (or even C?) to do this in a Atmel RISC 6 EUR chip ...
21:04 < rxr> but it will be slow
21:04 < rxr> since the serial port is so sow
21:05 < mnemoc> ic
21:06 < rxr> though for char printing (not graphical mode stuff) it might be sufficient ...
21:07 < rxr> do you really need it?
21:07 < rxr> should I start doing it for a AVR chip ?
21:08 < mnemoc> i don't really know what to do
21:09 < rxr> there are boxes that do ethernet to LPT - called print server boxes
21:10 < rxr> you want a real linux near the printers ?
21:14 < mnemoc> the printer has to have on the POSs
21:14 < mnemoc> about 20 POSs
21:15 < mnemoc> 5 on a road on each 'site'
21:19 * mnemoc puzzled
21:22 < rxr> why puzzled ?
21:23 < rxr> http://www.embeddedarm.com/
21:23 < rxr> http://www.embeddedarm.com/epc/ts7200-spec-h.html
21:23 < rxr> ^- this is in an add in the linux journal
21:23 < rxr> then there is:
21:24 < rxr> http://www.routerboard.com
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21:25 < mnemoc> http://www.embeddedarm.com/epc/ts3100-spec-p.php <--- how can it be _that_ expensive
21:25 < rxr> and this in another add:
21:25 < rxr> http://www.thinlinx.com/
21:25 < mnemoc> thanks ;)
21:27 < rxr> glibc/glibc.conf | 68 ++++++++++++++++++++++++----------------------
21:27 < rxr> glibc32/glibc32.conf | 74 ++++++---------------------------------------------
21:27 < rxr> 2 files changed, 45 insertions(+), 97 deletions(-)
21:27 < rxr> .oO
21:28 < mnemoc> commit small, commit often :p
21:28 < rxr> mnemoc: I commit when it passes a bootstrap ,-)
21:28 < rxr> this thinlinx will be about 299USD
21:29 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea why it is so expensive - guess they wanna also make money++
21:31 < mnemoc> rxr: making something like that buying the board seems to be _highly_ expensive
21:34 < mnemoc> i just need to make a cheap console based thin client :'(
21:35 < rxr> how cheap?
21:37 < mnemoc> 100 dollars, just the box
21:37 < rxr> what kind of console?
21:38 < rxr> tiny dot matrix LCD ?
21:39 < rxr> maybe I should design an own ARM embeded board to get acceptable prices ..
21:39 < mnemoc> CRT + ncurses + 2 dot matrix parallel printers + 10mbps ethernet
21:39 < mnemoc> i can't make hardware :\
21:41 * minto_ is tired
21:41 < minto_> I am off to bed, sleep well all.
21:41 < rxr> http://betacomp.com/embedded.html
21:41 < rxr> ^- MIPS but also too expensive - 10USD
21:41 < rxr> 100USD even
21:41 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"]
21:44 < rxr> http://www.embeddedplanet.com/products/ep1000.asp
21:45 < rxr> ^- Cool AMD Alchemy MIPS
21:46 < rxr> http://www.embeddedplanet.com/products/ep89712.asp
21:46 < rxr> ^- maybe this is cheaper
21:46 < rxr> this company does not seem to list prices on the web :-(
21:47 < mnemoc> most doesn't :\
21:50 < mnemoc> that cheaper is 395.00 dollars!
21:51 < rxr> what?
21:51 < rxr> how did you found out?
21:51 < mnemoc> "buy online"
21:51 < rxr> this damn tiny board with only 16MB or RAM and 1MB flash?
21:51 < morfoh> rxr: mnemoc finds out every price :)
21:51 < rxr> are they drunk ?
21:52 < mnemoc> this whole business seem to be drunk
21:52 < mnemoc> "The EP89712 is a low cost, ....." ??
21:52 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe only the dev board with cable, paper, ...
21:52 < rxr> the "tiny" board is quite minimal
21:53 < rxr> maybe mail someone and ask about real work system integrator price for a board that looks useful
21:54 < rxr> mnemoc: is this project concrete? how many boxes in the final installation ?
21:54 < mnemoc> about 20
21:55 < mnemoc> but imposible with those prices
21:58 < mnemoc> do you know how people connect perifericals to pc104 things? they have pins all around and no connectors :p
21:59 < rxr> I have not yet used / reviewed pc104
22:01 < rxr> mnemoc: select 2-3 boards thare could be useful and ask about system integrator prices when you order 20 - let's see what they want for that
22:02 < CIA-2> rene * r12562 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.1.4 -> 4.1.6)
22:03 < mnemoc> let see if they answer
22:04 < rxr> write 20 in the beginning
22:04 < rxr> this sound as if there is potention to sell more
22:04 < rxr> they might calculate a bit more agressive then
22:09 < rxr> hm - my subnotebook really builds stuff faster than my athlon ...
22:12 < rxr> :-(
22:16 < owl> hi rxr
22:17 < rxr> hello owl
22:23 < rxr> == 10/13/05 22:21:53 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc.
22:23 < rxr> ^- next cleanup round glibc* packages cross building for sparc64 ...
22:33 * rxr starting a new reference, with updated glibc ....
22:40 < CIA-2> rene * r12563 /trunk/scripts/functions.in:
22:40 < CIA-2> * removed grave historic config.cache creation relict, it is totally
22:40 < CIA-2> wrong in stage 0 and makes lzo fail on cross builds and can
22:40 < CIA-2> potentially cause other headache here and there
22:57 < morfoh> re
22:58 < rxr> hi morfoh
23:08 < jsaw> re
23:09 < jsaw> did somebody experience problems building linux26? (sth. with kallsyms)
23:10 < morfoh> hi jsaw
23:10 < jsaw> hi morfoh
23:14 < rxr> hi jsaw
23:15 < jsaw> hi rxr
23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: new trunk cache files ?
23:16 < rxr> we need to quantize size and time and make later some system indipendant value divided by some bogoMIPS value ...
23:18 < rxr> == 23:15:47 =[1]=> Building base/glibc [20051010 2.2.0-alpha].
23:18 < rxr> ^- this time for x86
23:25 < mnemoc> rxr: i do references on 2.1 ;)
23:28 < rxr> mnemoc: I meant, should I commit them ... - or invent quantize rules before I inject new ones ?
23:30 < mnemoc> just commit them ;)
23:31 < mnemoc> http://www.rtdusa.com/PC104/CM/processor_geode.htm <--- what those prices can be?
23:32 < mnemoc> i really don't understand this
23:32 < mnemoc> bbl
23:36 < rxr> mnemoc: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4055022578.html
23:37 < morfoh> cu mnemoc
23:42 < morfoh> rxr: nice :)
23:43 < rxr> but all to expensive for mnemoc's use case
23:45 < morfoh> rxr: what is the price limit ?
23:45 < rxr> 100USD for the complete printer connected box
23:46 < morfoh> oh!
23:47 < CIA-2> rene * r12564 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config:
23:47 < CIA-2> * used sparcv9 for 32bit built user-space apps in sparc64, this does
23:47 < CIA-2> fix building glibc with TLS / NPTL enabled since otherwise atomic
23:47 < CIA-2> locking instructions can not be used
23:48 < CIA-2> rene * r12565 /trunk/architecture/sparc/ (archtest.out archtest.sh):
23:48 < CIA-2> * likewise arch use for sparc (TLS / NPTL for sparcv9 and above in
23:48 < CIA-2> 32bit mode for sparc builds) - untested
23:56 < karasz> good night biys and girls
23:56 < karasz> s/bi/bo
23:56 < CIA-2> aldas * r12566 /trunk/package/multimedia/linphone/linphone.desc: * updated linphone (1.0.1 -> 1.1.0)
23:56 < Baldzius> gn8 karasz
23:57 < rxr> n8 Baldzius
23:57 < Baldzius> rxr: i'm not going anywhere :)
23:57 < rxr> n8 karasz
23:57 < rxr> Baldzius: oops
23:57 < Baldzius> :)
23:57 < rxr> fat glibc needs sooooo looooooooong to test build - my oh my ...
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