--- Log opened Thu Sep 15 00:00:31 2005 00:29 < CIA-9> rene * r11879 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * generate archivista crypto keys as root 00:32 < mnemoc> back in 1h 00:32 < mnemoc> cu 00:58 < rxr> back 2 bed soon 01:03 -!- sparc-kly|Univ [n=mubex@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:12 -!- sparc-kly|Univ [n=mubex@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 01:15 -!- sparc-kly|Univ [n=mubex@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:18 < rxr> n8 all 01:20 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.198.127.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 01:31 < _Lewellyn> nite rxr, sleep well 01:31 < _Lewellyn> _Ragnar_: looks like i'm almost done slurping through lib* :) 01:32 < _Ragnar_> ;) ok 01:34 < _Lewellyn> how big is that dir anyway? 01:34 < _Ragnar_> 3.8 gig I think 01:34 < _Lewellyn> urk... 01:34 < _Lewellyn> so, i've gotta burn it to a dvd, then 01:35 < _Ragnar_> ;D 01:36 < _Lewellyn> i'm not in the mood to figure out how to split 3.8gb over cds to prevent dependency issues :) 01:36 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 01:36 < _Ragnar_> you probably only need 1/4th of all the packages 01:36 < _Lewellyn> probably. but it's better to have them all available, just in case. 01:37 < _Ragnar_> ;) 01:39 -!- sepp_ [n=sepp@p213.54.205.222.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:57 < mnemoc> *yawn* 02:58 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: keinek burn a dvd with generic+ooo for 'just in case' 02:58 < _Lewellyn> ? 02:58 < _Lewellyn> i'm downloading _Ragnar_'s 64 bit packages 03:00 * mnemoc wants amd64 _iso_ of 2.1 :) 03:00 < _Lewellyn> ah. he hasn't figured out how to do a bootdisk yet. 03:01 < mnemoc> well, every day we have more people with those machines, so i have someone get iso bootding soon 03:03 < _Lewellyn> yes. 03:03 < _Lewellyn> once i am up on the platform, i'll try my hand at it. 03:04 < _Lewellyn> the day is coming SOON! :) 03:05 < mnemoc> i hope so :) 03:10 < _Lewellyn> oh. i don't know if i've mentioned... i've been evangelizing t2 in the office. 03:10 < mnemoc> :D 03:10 < _Lewellyn> if it works well for me in 64-bit mode, and if it works well on our asterisk server, it is well on the way to becoming the company's official unofficial linux choice. 03:13 < mnemoc> for your asterisk server you can try mnemosyne 03:46 < _Lewellyn> mnemosyne? 03:46 < _Lewellyn> that sounds vaguely familiar :) 03:58 < mnemoc> re 03:59 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: my 'abstract' target 03:59 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: http://www3.t2-project.org/Members/amery/targets/mnemosyne/ 03:59 < mnemoc> ok, ... gn8 ;) 04:03 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/ <--- mnemosyne target 04:03 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/sheba/trunk/ <-- sheba target specilizing mnemosyne 04:14 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: sleep well. i'll pick your brain RE: mnemosyne later :) 05:23 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.254.12.55] has joined #t2 05:24 < keinek> exit 05:24 < keinek> :) 05:24 < keinek> hi 05:28 < _Lewellyn> ;) 05:28 * _Lewellyn heads off 05:28 -!- keinek [n=keinek@201.254.12.55] has left #t2 ["Abandonando"] 05:44 -!- sparc-kl1 [n=sparc-kl@64.237.242.18] has joined #t2 06:09 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc-kl@64.237.245.145] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:10 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc-kl@64.237.243.63] has joined #t2 06:26 -!- sparc-kl2 [n=sparc-kl@64.237.243.202] has joined #t2 06:33 -!- sparc-kl1 [n=sparc-kl@64.237.242.18] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:50 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc-kl@64.237.243.63] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:56 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc-kl@64.237.244.173] has joined #t2 07:19 -!- sparc-kl2 [n=sparc-kl@64.237.243.202] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:29 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AFA568.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 07:36 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AF9FC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:47 < rxr> re 09:15 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:33 < _Ragnar_> re 10:04 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 10:05 -!- morfoh_ [n=jeru@p54BEBE3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 10:08 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 10:08 < mtr> moin 10:08 < rxr> moin mtr 10:08 < mtr> hi rxr 10:17 < CIA-9> rene * r11880 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * updated spamassassin (3.0.4 -> 3.1.0) 10:18 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BED073.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:24 < CIA-9> rene * r11881 /trunk/package/base/pam/ (5 files): 10:24 < CIA-9> Aldas Nabazas : 10:24 < CIA-9> * updated pam (0.79 -> 0.80) - and config adaptions 10:24 < CIA-9> rene * r11882 /trunk/package/gnome2/xchat/xchat.desc: 10:24 < CIA-9> Aldas Nabazas : 10:24 < CIA-9> * updated xchat (2.4.4 -> 2.4.5) 10:25 < CIA-9> rene * r11883 /trunk/package/base/module-init-tools/module-init-tools.desc: 10:25 < CIA-9> Aldas Nabazas : 10:25 < CIA-9> * updated module-init-tools (3.1 -> 3.2-pre9) 10:26 < CIA-9> rene * r11884 /trunk/package/cad/brlcad/ (. brlcad.cache brlcad.conf brlcad.desc): 10:26 < CIA-9> Aldas Nabazas : 10:26 < CIA-9> * added brlcad (7.6.0) 10:36 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@xchangecenter.de] has quit ["dead"] 10:37 -!- nzg [n=tschmidt@xchangecenter.de] has joined #t2 10:50 -!- morfoh_ [n=jeru@p54BEBE3B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:33 < mtr> rxr: is it intentional that gcc @trunk does not build the fortran compiler? 11:42 < rxr> nope ,-) 11:42 < rxr> guess some f77 -> f95 or so that needs a change ? 12:27 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 12:27 < morfoh> moin 12:31 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 12:31 < mtr> moin morfoh 12:32 < morfoh> hi mtr :) 12:45 < CIA-9> mtr * r11885 /trunk/package/base/gmp/ (gmp.conf gmp.desc): * enable mpfr support (needed to build gcc fortran 95 compiler) 12:48 < rxr> do you need / use fotran? 13:00 < rxr> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html 13:00 < rxr> ^- A German inventor has angered animal rights activists with his answer to fighting the soaring cost of fuel -- dead cats. 13:15 < rxr> hm 13:15 < rxr> and now I have to frickle around to give windows xp some scsimap.sys ... 13:15 < rxr> hell - dan't this crap locate it's junk itself? all I wanted was to install a SCSI scanner driver 13:20 -!- bfg [n=bfg@chello080109010143.16.14.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #t2 13:25 < rxr> hahaha 13:25 < rxr> FAQ: When windows asks for the scsimap.sys this is due to a bug in windows choosing the wrong .inf file - the one for windows 95, 98, Me ... 13:26 < rxr> what the hack - sh*t c*ap is this ... 13:28 < morfoh> hi angry rxr ;) 13:30 < rxr> try getting one device to work under this windows wanna be os ... 13:31 < morfoh> how can I "tell" svn to get a specific tree via svn:external ... I want to include mnemoc's latest targets for testing and improving 13:33 < rxr> just specify the full path - where is the problem ? 13:36 < rxr> my fazit about windows xp after 2 weeks of testing: "barely anything works - usually a lot of googling for .dll's drivers and so on is needed to get it into a barely functional state" 13:36 < rxr> "most annoying are the ungoing "this box is insecure" popups" 13:37 < rxr> "the 64 bit version is not usable at all - due to the lack of nearly all drivers for the windows xp certified hardware" 13:45 < rxr> 1 out of 10 points - for graphical but defaul theme a bit ugly ... 13:59 < valentin> moin 13:59 < rxr> moin valentin 13:59 < morfoh> moin valentin 15:04 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc-kl@64.237.244.173] has quit ["Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/"] 15:30 < valentin> i think i will go to the bezirksamt to vote now.... cu 15:47 < rxr> conditonal arg: -c?:-Wl;--pie. 15:47 < rxr> conditonal: -c, lhs: , rhs: -Wl;--pie. 15:57 < rxr> hm - quite neat patch 15:58 -!- sparc-kly [n=sparc-kl@64.237.244.173] has joined #t2 16:27 < rxr> cmd_wrapper.c | 50 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 16:27 < rxr> 1 files changed, 50 insertions(+) 16:29 < CIA-9> rene * r11886 /trunk/misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c: * added support for conditional argument expansion to the cmd_wrapper 16:49 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.198.127.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:53 -!- sepp [n=sepp@p213.54.198.127.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 16:58 < morfoh> rxr: what is the dietlibc pkg_gcc.chroot.patch for ? 17:00 < rxr> never used it 17:01 < rxr> looks like rotten pieces to build a dietlibc'ed gcc 17:08 -!- rxr_ [i=rene@e178155134.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:08 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | BT http://torrent.t2-project.org/ 17:08 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Fri Sep 2 18:13:08 2005] 17:08 [Users #t2] 17:08 [@vilkacis ] [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-9 ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ] 17:08 [ [Kosh] ] [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly] 17:08 [ _Lewellyn] [ bfg ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ sepp] [ valentin ] 17:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 17:08 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:08 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 10 secs 17:10 < rxr_> re 17:12 < CIA-9> rene * r11888 /trunk/package/base/gcc/parse-config: * updated gcc/parse-config to use the new conditional wrapper 17:15 * morfoh moving home now ... cu later 17:15 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["leaving"] 17:21 -!- rxr [i=rene@e178151050.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:43 < CIA-9> rene * r11889 /trunk/ (package/base/gcc/parse-config scripts/config.in): * added PIE (Position Independent Code) option - should work 18:35 < _Lewellyn> morning all 18:35 < _Lewellyn> mmm PIE 18:37 < _Lewellyn> rxr_: btw, ms is very open about the fact that there are almost no 64-bit drivers :) 18:42 < rxr_> _Lewellyn: yep - I know - just wanted to fill the log for increased google hits ,-) 18:44 < _Lewellyn> :) 18:44 * _Lewellyn wonders if the 64-bit downloads from ragnar ever finished... 18:44 < _Lewellyn> ah. finished minutes before i left last night. 18:44 < _Lewellyn> yay. 18:45 < _Lewellyn> i guess i'll have to ask some specific questions later :) 18:54 < rxr_> ,-) 19:00 < _Ragnar_> moin 19:03 < rxr_> moin _Ragnar_ 19:04 < _Lewellyn> hoi ragnar 19:05 < _Lewellyn> thanks for the download. i'll have to reboot with a dvd burner soon so i can make a dvd :) 19:07 < _Ragnar_> =) ok 19:11 < _Lewellyn> i need to reboot to replace some too-short ide cables anyway. they're rubbing on my fan and irritating me :) 19:12 < _Lewellyn> huh. interesting question that just popped into my head... is it possible to install t2 onto a usb hard disk? :) 19:12 < _Ragnar_> can you boot from usb? 19:13 < _Lewellyn> well, i have no cd-rom drive on my tabletpc. and i'd like to install t2... so i'd have to install it on another machine to the 2.5" drive... 19:13 < _Lewellyn> and the tablet cannot boot to usb or network or firewire :( 19:13 < rxr_> boot from a USB cd then ,-) ? 19:14 < _Lewellyn> i would, if it weren't purposely disabled in the bios by the vendor 19:14 < _Lewellyn> the device was not made to be user-hackable, since it was designed for institutional use :) 19:14 < _Lewellyn> though, i suppose i could buy the floppy drive... 19:15 < _Lewellyn> it'd be nice if there were a cardbus card that could be booted :( 19:15 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEDAF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 19:15 < morfoh> re hi 19:16 < _Lewellyn> hoi morfoh 19:16 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: hoi hoi 19:16 < _Ragnar_> hmmmm 19:16 < _Ragnar_> probably easier then to just get an adapter for the hd and install it on a normal system 19:17 < _Lewellyn> _Ragnar_: easier still would be to use a usb sled if the install cd had the usb-storage module :) 19:17 < _Lewellyn> then i could install within vmware with no downtime :) 19:18 < rxr_> cd 19:19 < _Ragnar_> usb sled? 19:20 < _Lewellyn> ya, you plug the laptop hard drive into the connector, then plug a usb cable into the other end 19:20 < _Ragnar_> ah ok 19:20 < _Lewellyn> but that requires usb-storage :) 19:26 < _Ragnar_> http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/20/20919/20919_2.jpg *hrhr* 20:11 < rxr_> I have some 3rd party perl code leaking memory - any hints of to track memory leaks due perl code ? 20:12 -!- You're now known as rxr 20:14 < _Ragnar_> sorry, no clue about that O_O 20:21 < _Lewellyn> i have tried to not touch perl for the past 10 or so years. sorry :( 20:33 -!- minto [n=chatzill@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 20:33 < minto> hi folks 20:35 -!- vilkacis [n=supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:11 < minto> Hmm, awfully quiet over here 21:12 < _Lewellyn> yes 21:12 < _Lewellyn> and hi :) 21:12 < minto> :) hi 21:15 * morfoh is tracking all of minto's steps silently ... hi minto :) 21:15 < minto> hi morfoh :-) 21:16 < morfoh> minto: :) 21:16 < minto> BTW, my current assignment is with the Police again :D 21:16 < minto> But a different Office this time. 21:17 < minto> Working on a system to keep track of all legel fire arms in the Netherlands. 21:17 < minto> legel = legal 21:17 < morfoh> minto: I know I know ... that's why I'm a bit more careful now ... and watching you intensively;) 21:18 < morfoh> minto: errrrmm! not watching you of course ... I'm just doing documentation ;) 21:18 < CIA-9> msluis * r11890 /trunk/package/java/commons-lang/ (. commons-lang.conf commons-lang.desc): * added Jakarta commons-lang (2.1) 21:18 < minto> There is not much to watch :( 21:18 < minto> working 10 hours a day plus another 4 on the road :( 21:19 < minto> T2 documentation ? 21:19 < morfoh> minto: hmmmm ... indeed that sounds ugly 21:23 < rxr> minto: how do you work on the road ? 21:24 < morfoh> rxr: I guess he can't work because he has to drive ;) 21:26 < minto> brb, phoning 21:28 < morfoh> rxr: btw, I recently started a dietemb "ref" build to see what was f*cked up 21:32 < minto> hi rxr, morfoh is right, just holding the wheel plus an occasional phone call :( 21:33 < minto> Using public transport would even take longer 21:45 < CIA-9> msluis * r11891 /trunk/package/java/commons-lang/commons-lang.conf: * conf file not needed for Jakarta commons-lang 21:50 < valentin> re 21:52 < rxr> re 21:59 < minto> :( Gotta go again, cu all 21:59 < _Ragnar_> cya *hugs* 21:59 < minto> :D thanks 22:01 < _Lewellyn> adios minto 22:01 < morfoh> au revoir minto :) 22:02 < rxr> cu minto 22:02 < minto> You guys are spoiling me with attention :) 22:02 < minto> cu all 22:02 -!- minto [n=chatzill@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"] 22:12 < rxr> http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/cups/cups-pie.patch?rev=1.4&view=auto 22:12 < rxr> ^- oh red hat is injecting -fPIE -pie into cups build 22:14 * _Lewellyn refrains from another pie comment 22:15 < _Lewellyn> which means it's lunchtime. back later! 22:26 < sepp> moin 22:27 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11892 /trunk/package/x11/fluxbox/fluxbox.desc: * updated fluxbox (0.9.13 -> 0.9.14) 22:27 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11893 /trunk/package/graphic/scribus/scribus.desc: * updated scribus (1.2.2.1 -> 1.2.3) 22:28 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11894 /trunk/package/graphic/pixie/pixie.desc: * updated pixie (1.4.5 -> 1.4.6) 22:28 < rxr> moin sepp 22:28 < sepp> moin rxr 22:29 < mnemoc> moin 22:29 < sepp> moin mnemoc, maybe at least on your side of the globe it is morning... 22:30 < mnemoc> 16:30 :) 22:30 < rxr> hi mnemoc - how is your day ? 22:30 < sepp> hmm 22:30 < mnemoc> sata machine successfully installed with vserver, so i have a new build machine :p 22:31 < rxr> a new or additional ? 22:31 < mnemoc> the one 3h away 22:32 < mnemoc> inside a vserver, and on a sata disk, everything will be faster and safer 22:32 < sepp> ohh brlcad :P 22:32 < mnemoc> so i'll leave their webserver just a file mirror :p 22:32 < mnemoc> sepp: does it build? 22:32 < morfoh> hi mnemoc sepp 22:32 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 22:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: so it worked :) 22:32 < rxr> mnemoc: I added conditional WRAPPER stuff 22:33 < rxr> intergrated quite good into the code 22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: great! 22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: tested with --as-needed' 22:33 < mnemoc> ? 22:33 < rxr> I tried hard to crash the ?: parser - so far no segfault - also tested for what combinations came to my mind 22:33 < sepp> mnemoc: don't know i tested the 1st free version and, hmm i had the feeling that it was invented on a pdp11 22:33 < rxr> mnemoc: well - only shortly - I did not do a full build looking at head ELF file ... but so far it looked reasonable 22:33 < mnemoc> pdp11?? 70s? 22:34 < sepp> yes 22:34 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll try my pie stuff 22:34 < morfoh> sepp: what do you mean ? vserver ? 22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: I added the PIE option already 22:34 < mnemoc> :o 22:34 < mnemoc> thanks a lot :D 22:34 < rxr> but not fully tested 22:34 < rxr> I have no address space randomization kernel handy ... 22:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: he is talking about brlcad 22:35 < rxr> well - 3 lines for the PIE optoin ,-) 22:35 < sepp> http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=13040 <--- brlcad on a pdp11 22:35 < mnemoc> rxr: as it should be on a good SDE :D 22:35 < rxr> is anyone using our CUPS 1.1.23 ? 22:35 < rxr> it does not work for me 22:35 < mnemoc> let me check what version i'm using... 22:35 * rxr debugging this annoying printing thing - so the next time I need a hardcopy printing just works ... 22:36 < rxr> not as the last time when I booted windows ... to feed rastered data to the Magicolor ... 22:36 < mnemoc> # mine -q cups 22:36 < mnemoc> cups 1.1.23 2.1.0-rc1 22:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: dietsheba stops with building gcc due to the update to 3.4.4 22:36 < mnemoc> ^--- on my samba print server 22:36 < rxr> what kind of printer ? 22:36 < mnemoc> hp cheap-laser 22:37 < rxr> with gimp-print as rasterizer ? 22:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: but I think I've found some infos about diet+SSP 22:37 < mnemoc> rxr: no, direct usage via samba to print documents and web pages 22:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: LFS has a patchset to move parts of SSP to glibc, as diet does 22:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: take a look at this -> http://www.synflood.at/contrapolice.html 22:40 < mnemoc> uhm 22:42 -!- vilkacis [n=supybot@ip4.conosurseguros.cl] has joined #t2 22:42 -!- mode/#t2 [+o vilkacis] by ChanServ 22:43 < mnemoc> rxr: will you want my error logs, or you will debug only what you find in your build? 22:45 < rxr> well - I will have to do some archivista bug hunting the next days - let me debug my side first 22:46 < mnemoc> ok 22:46 < rxr> the latency of .cl ssh connections is so high... 22:46 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm preparing the other build machine (inside a vserver)... i'll keep the current just for you :) 22:46 < rxr> and I want this damn CUPS to feed data to my printer more reliable ... 22:47 < mnemoc> archivista without printing looks like a _big_ problem :p 22:48 < rxr> well - no cups hunting for archivista 22:48 < rxr> more like why mysql is killed from time to time (found that already - memory leak in their perl code ...) 22:48 < rxr> and other stuff like this usb encryption that sometimes does not work too well (they say) 22:48 < rxr> but anyway 22:49 < rxr> I need my printer on my desk printing when _I_ need a paper ... 22:49 < rxr> the last time I tried 2 hours and then booted windows 22:49 < rxr> cups is a damn f*cking hell - my oh my ... 22:49 < rxr> guess ExactPrint need to be pushed higher on the longer todo ... 22:49 < mnemoc> o.o 22:49 < rxr> the thing is - in the past printing worked (mostly) 22:49 < morfoh> rxr: building dietemb wasn't that bad -> curl, gmp, ppp, unionfs failing 22:50 < rxr> now even the test page is rejected due ipp negotation stuff 22:50 < rxr> AND IT WORKED some weeks ago ... 22:50 < mnemoc> uhm 22:50 < rxr> and formerly there was also the bug that sometimes CUPS had the idea to feed 100 dpi rastered data to the laser - though that one only accepts 600 oer 1200 22:51 < rxr> and that was also an annoying bug I did not track within hours ... 22:51 < rxr> resulting in every now and then I was not able to print a job - due cups yielding 100dpi data ... 22:51 < rxr> damn crapy code junk ... 22:51 < rxr> I usually used gimp to feed raster data into cups - that was then reliably rastered @ 600 dpi ... 22:51 < rxr> but starting gimp to pre-raster a .ps or .pdf is reall just ugly .. 22:52 < mnemoc> uhm 22:53 < rxr> yeah - and all because other can not come up with a decent printing system 22:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: i would like host IDS as Base/IDS .... and the other as services 22:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: comments? 22:55 < mnemoc> rxr: lpr-ng? 22:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: why Base ? and what do you want to move there ... all current IDS stuff ? 22:56 < mnemoc> Base/Security/IDS ... because it's an internal security feature of the host 22:56 < rxr> mnemoc: have beed there - done that - never again ... 22:56 < mnemoc> only host-IDS 22:56 < mnemoc> rxr: worse than cups? 22:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: only host-IDS. sensors, managers, etc.... are services, host-IDS is a 'feature' 22:57 < sepp> what is this pie thing? i mean pic - i understand it but pie??? 22:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack ... then we should move libprelude.ask there 22:58 < mnemoc> sepp: GCC/binutils solution for pax hackery 22:59 < rxr> mnemoc: worse 22:59 < rxr> sepp: -pie is like -pic - just not for libraries but executables 22:59 < mnemoc> sepp: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hlfs/view/unstable/glibc/chapter02/pie.html 23:04 < sepp> hmm sounds intersting - but i guess gdb will completly freak out with -pie 23:04 < sepp> i mean not the normal chaos level 23:04 < rxr> oh my god 23:05 < rxr> you do not want to know how long my IBM RS6000 server need to raster a page for my laser printer 23:05 < mnemoc> ack :p 23:05 < rxr> cups test page need about 1 minute ... 23:06 < rxr> hm - from the rs6k the printer prints the page - not from the athlon 23:06 < rxr> and there I have: 23:06 < rxr> # mine -q cups ghostscript 23:06 < rxr> cups 1.1.23 2.2.0-alpha 23:06 < rxr> ghostscript 8.15rc3 2.2.0-alpha 23:06 < rxr> athlon # 23:06 < rxr> mine -q cups ghostscript 23:06 < rxr> cups 1.1.23 2.2.0-alpha 23:06 < rxr> ghostscript 8.15rc3 2.2.0-alpha 23:07 < rxr> hm ... 23:08 < mnemoc> o.o 23:08 < rxr> well - given all pages work on the rs6k I'll never touch that box again ... 23:08 < rxr> and leave the dusty black box raster the pages .. 23:12 < mnemoc> are ld and diet wrappers a missing need or gcc is enough? 23:12 < rxr> ld could be handy indeed 23:12 < rxr> E [15/Sep/2005:23:11:34 +0200] [Job 4] Resolution 100 is not support. 23:12 < rxr> E [15/Sep/2005:23:11:34 +0200] PID 9140 stopped with status 1! 23:12 < rxr> ^- there is the bug again 23:13 < rxr> so on the RS6k I can print the documents that used to work - and still not thosed that have been problematic before 23:13 < rxr> and s.th. on my athlon's cups is more f*ckup up then usual 23:13 < rxr> queuing to debug this resolution == 100 iso for the weekend ... 23:14 < mnemoc> rxr: what about using pdflatex instead of gimp? 23:15 < rxr> pdflatex? 23:15 < rxr> usually my docuemnts are not TeX nowadays ... 23:15 < mnemoc> you can include things inside generated tex documents 23:15 < mnemoc> and ask pdflatex to re-render them 23:16 < sepp> mnemoc: brlcad compiles on my notebook running trunk/gcc4 23:16 < mnemoc> sepp: :D 23:16 < mnemoc> sepp: upload .cache :) 23:16 < sepp> ok 23:18 < rxr> Scott Berkun (who worked on UI design for Internet Explorer 1.0 thru 5.0) talked about why he switched to Firefox. In addition to five reasons why he switched, Scott also detailed five UI flaws in Firefox. 23:19 < rxr> Scott Berkun (who worked on UI design for Internet Explorer 1.0 thru 5.0) talked about why he switched to Firefox. In addition to five reasons why he switched, Scott also detailed five UI flaws in Firefox.http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/?p=115 23:19 < mnemoc> /.? 23:20 < sepp> mnemoc: my brlcad.cache has the same deps as the one in trunk 23:22 < mnemoc> sepp: oh, i didn't see trunk's .cache 23:23 < rxr> the debut of its high-end UltraSparc IV+ processor 23:24 < rxr> http://news.com.com/Sun+upgrades+servers+with+UltraSparc+IV+debut/2100-1006_3-5865755.html?tag=nefd.top 23:24 < rxr> n8 all 23:25 < sepp> sleep well rxr :) 23:25 < morfoh> gn( rxr 23:25 < morfoh> gn8 23:25 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 23:27 < sepp> well brlcad is evil becuae it builds a own tcl/tk version :/ 23:27 < mnemoc> can you make it use system's? 23:30 < sepp> i think you can 23:31 < sepp> at least there is a configure switch 23:39 < sepp> i will go and sleep now and check if it works with system tcl/tk tomorrow 23:39 < sepp> good night * 23:40 < morfoh> night sepp .zzzzZZZZZleep well 23:40 -!- bfg [n=bfg@chello080109010143.16.14.univie.teleweb.at] has quit ["Verlassend"] 23:40 < _Lewellyn> night sepp and rxr --- Log closed Fri Sep 16 00:00:32 2005