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00:29 < CIA-9> rene * r11879 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * generate archivista crypto keys as root
00:32 < mnemoc> back in 1h
00:32 < mnemoc> cu
00:58 < rxr> back 2 bed soon
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01:18 < rxr> n8 all
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01:31 < _Lewellyn> nite rxr, sleep well
01:31 < _Lewellyn> _Ragnar_: looks like i'm almost done slurping through lib* :)
01:32 < _Ragnar_> ;) ok
01:34 < _Lewellyn> how big is that dir anyway?
01:34 < _Ragnar_> 3.8 gig I think
01:34 < _Lewellyn> urk...
01:34 < _Lewellyn> so, i've gotta burn it to a dvd, then
01:35 < _Ragnar_> ;D
01:36 < _Lewellyn> i'm not in the mood to figure out how to split 3.8gb over cds to prevent dependency issues :)
01:36 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
01:36 < _Ragnar_> you probably only need 1/4th of all the packages
01:36 < _Lewellyn> probably. but it's better to have them all available, just in case.
01:37 < _Ragnar_> ;)
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02:57 < mnemoc> *yawn*
02:58 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: keinek burn a dvd with generic+ooo for 'just in case'
02:58 < _Lewellyn> ?
02:58 < _Lewellyn> i'm downloading _Ragnar_'s 64 bit packages
03:00 * mnemoc wants amd64 _iso_ of 2.1 :)
03:00 < _Lewellyn> ah. he hasn't figured out how to do a bootdisk yet.
03:01 < mnemoc> well, every day we have more people with those machines, so i have someone get iso bootding soon
03:03 < _Lewellyn> yes.
03:03 < _Lewellyn> once i am up on the platform, i'll try my hand at it.
03:04 < _Lewellyn> the day is coming SOON! :)
03:05 < mnemoc> i hope so :)
03:10 < _Lewellyn> oh. i don't know if i've mentioned... i've been evangelizing t2 in the office.
03:10 < mnemoc> :D
03:10 < _Lewellyn> if it works well for me in 64-bit mode, and if it works well on our asterisk server, it is well on the way to becoming the company's official unofficial linux choice.
03:13 < mnemoc> for your asterisk server you can try mnemosyne
03:46 < _Lewellyn> mnemosyne?
03:46 < _Lewellyn> that sounds vaguely familiar :)
03:58 < mnemoc> re
03:59 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: my 'abstract' target
03:59 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: http://www3.t2-project.org/Members/amery/targets/mnemosyne/
03:59 < mnemoc> ok, ... gn8 ;)
04:03 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk/ <--- mnemosyne target
04:03 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/sheba/trunk/ <-- sheba target specilizing mnemosyne
04:14 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: sleep well. i'll pick your brain RE: mnemosyne later :)
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05:24 < keinek> exit
05:24 < keinek> :)
05:24 < keinek> hi
05:28 < _Lewellyn> ;)
05:28 * _Lewellyn heads off
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08:47 < rxr> re
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09:33 < _Ragnar_> re
10:04 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_
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10:08 < mtr> moin
10:08 < rxr> moin mtr
10:08 < mtr> hi rxr
10:17 < CIA-9> rene * r11880 /trunk/package/mail/spamassassin/spamassassin.desc: * updated spamassassin (3.0.4 -> 3.1.0)
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10:24 < CIA-9> rene * r11881 /trunk/package/base/pam/ (5 files):
10:24 < CIA-9> Aldas Nabazas :
10:24 < CIA-9> * updated pam (0.79 -> 0.80) - and config adaptions
10:24 < CIA-9> rene * r11882 /trunk/package/gnome2/xchat/xchat.desc:
10:24 < CIA-9> Aldas Nabazas :
10:24 < CIA-9> * updated xchat (2.4.4 -> 2.4.5)
10:25 < CIA-9> rene * r11883 /trunk/package/base/module-init-tools/module-init-tools.desc:
10:25 < CIA-9> Aldas Nabazas :
10:25 < CIA-9> * updated module-init-tools (3.1 -> 3.2-pre9)
10:26 < CIA-9> rene * r11884 /trunk/package/cad/brlcad/ (. brlcad.cache brlcad.conf brlcad.desc):
10:26 < CIA-9> Aldas Nabazas :
10:26 < CIA-9> * added brlcad (7.6.0)
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11:33 < mtr> rxr: is it intentional that gcc @trunk does not build the fortran compiler?
11:42 < rxr> nope ,-)
11:42 < rxr> guess some f77 -> f95 or so that needs a change ?
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12:27 < morfoh> moin
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12:31 < mtr> moin morfoh
12:32 < morfoh> hi mtr :)
12:45 < CIA-9> mtr * r11885 /trunk/package/base/gmp/ (gmp.conf gmp.desc): * enable mpfr support (needed to build gcc fortran 95 compiler)
12:48 < rxr> do you need / use fotran?
13:00 < rxr> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/09/14/germany.catfuel.reut/index.html
13:00 < rxr> ^- A German inventor has angered animal rights activists with his answer to fighting the soaring cost of fuel -- dead cats.
13:15 < rxr> hm
13:15 < rxr> and now I have to frickle around to give windows xp some scsimap.sys ...
13:15 < rxr> hell - dan't this crap locate it's junk itself? all I wanted was to install a SCSI scanner driver
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13:25 < rxr> hahaha
13:25 < rxr> FAQ: When windows asks for the scsimap.sys this is due to a bug in windows choosing the wrong .inf file - the one for windows 95, 98, Me ...
13:26 < rxr> what the hack - sh*t c*ap is this ...
13:28 < morfoh> hi angry rxr ;)
13:30 < rxr> try getting one device to work under this windows wanna be os ...
13:31 < morfoh> how can I "tell" svn to get a specific tree via svn:external ... I want to include mnemoc's latest targets for testing and improving
13:33 < rxr> just specify the full path - where is the problem ?
13:36 < rxr> my fazit about windows xp after 2 weeks of testing: "barely anything works - usually a lot of googling for .dll's drivers and so on is needed to get it into a barely functional state"
13:36 < rxr> "most annoying are the ungoing "this box is insecure" popups"
13:37 < rxr> "the 64 bit version is not usable at all - due to the lack of nearly all drivers for the windows xp certified hardware"
13:45 < rxr> 1 out of 10 points - for graphical but defaul theme a bit ugly ...
13:59 < valentin> moin
13:59 < rxr> moin valentin
13:59 < morfoh> moin valentin
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15:30 < valentin> i think i will go to the bezirksamt to vote now.... cu
15:47 < rxr> conditonal arg: -c?:-Wl;--pie.
15:47 < rxr> conditonal: -c, lhs: , rhs: -Wl;--pie.
15:57 < rxr> hm - quite neat patch
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16:27 < rxr> cmd_wrapper.c | 50 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
16:27 < rxr> 1 files changed, 50 insertions(+)
16:29 < CIA-9> rene * r11886 /trunk/misc/tools-source/cmd_wrapper.c: * added support for conditional argument expansion to the cmd_wrapper
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16:58 < morfoh> rxr: what is the dietlibc pkg_gcc.chroot.patch for ?
17:00 < rxr> never used it
17:01 < rxr> looks like rotten pieces to build a dietlibc'ed gcc
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17:08 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | BT http://torrent.t2-project.org/
17:08 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Fri Sep 2 18:13:08 2005]
17:08 [Users #t2]
17:08 [@vilkacis ] [ _Ragnar_] [ CIA-9 ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ]
17:08 [ [Kosh] ] [ Baldzius] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly]
17:08 [ _Lewellyn] [ bfg ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ sepp] [ valentin ]
17:08 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
17:08 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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17:10 < rxr_> re
17:12 < CIA-9> rene * r11888 /trunk/package/base/gcc/parse-config: * updated gcc/parse-config to use the new conditional wrapper
17:15 * morfoh moving home now ... cu later
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17:43 < CIA-9> rene * r11889 /trunk/ (package/base/gcc/parse-config scripts/config.in): * added PIE (Position Independent Code) option - should work
18:35 < _Lewellyn> morning all
18:35 < _Lewellyn> mmm PIE
18:37 < _Lewellyn> rxr_: btw, ms is very open about the fact that there are almost no 64-bit drivers :)
18:42 < rxr_> _Lewellyn: yep - I know - just wanted to fill the log for increased google hits ,-)
18:44 < _Lewellyn> :)
18:44 * _Lewellyn wonders if the 64-bit downloads from ragnar ever finished...
18:44 < _Lewellyn> ah. finished minutes before i left last night.
18:44 < _Lewellyn> yay.
18:45 < _Lewellyn> i guess i'll have to ask some specific questions later :)
18:54 < rxr_> ,-)
19:00 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:03 < rxr_> moin _Ragnar_
19:04 < _Lewellyn> hoi ragnar
19:05 < _Lewellyn> thanks for the download. i'll have to reboot with a dvd burner soon so i can make a dvd :)
19:07 < _Ragnar_> =) ok
19:11 < _Lewellyn> i need to reboot to replace some too-short ide cables anyway. they're rubbing on my fan and irritating me :)
19:12 < _Lewellyn> huh. interesting question that just popped into my head... is it possible to install t2 onto a usb hard disk? :)
19:12 < _Ragnar_> can you boot from usb?
19:13 < _Lewellyn> well, i have no cd-rom drive on my tabletpc. and i'd like to install t2... so i'd have to install it on another machine to the 2.5" drive...
19:13 < _Lewellyn> and the tablet cannot boot to usb or network or firewire :(
19:13 < rxr_> boot from a USB cd then ,-) ?
19:14 < _Lewellyn> i would, if it weren't purposely disabled in the bios by the vendor
19:14 < _Lewellyn> the device was not made to be user-hackable, since it was designed for institutional use :)
19:14 < _Lewellyn> though, i suppose i could buy the floppy drive...
19:15 < _Lewellyn> it'd be nice if there were a cardbus card that could be booted :(
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19:15 < morfoh> re hi
19:16 < _Lewellyn> hoi morfoh
19:16 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: hoi hoi
19:16 < _Ragnar_> hmmmm
19:16 < _Ragnar_> probably easier then to just get an adapter for the hd and install it on a normal system
19:17 < _Lewellyn> _Ragnar_: easier still would be to use a usb sled if the install cd had the usb-storage module :)
19:17 < _Lewellyn> then i could install within vmware with no downtime :)
19:18 < rxr_> cd
19:19 < _Ragnar_> usb sled?
19:20 < _Lewellyn> ya, you plug the laptop hard drive into the connector, then plug a usb cable into the other end
19:20 < _Ragnar_> ah ok
19:20 < _Lewellyn> but that requires usb-storage :)
19:26 < _Ragnar_> http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/20/20919/20919_2.jpg *hrhr*
20:11 < rxr_> I have some 3rd party perl code leaking memory - any hints of to track memory leaks due perl code ?
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20:14 < _Ragnar_> sorry, no clue about that O_O
20:21 < _Lewellyn> i have tried to not touch perl for the past 10 or so years. sorry :(
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20:33 < minto> hi folks
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21:11 < minto> Hmm, awfully quiet over here
21:12 < _Lewellyn> yes
21:12 < _Lewellyn> and hi :)
21:12 < minto> :) hi
21:15 * morfoh is tracking all of minto's steps silently ... hi minto :)
21:15 < minto> hi morfoh :-)
21:16 < morfoh> minto: :)
21:16 < minto> BTW, my current assignment is with the Police again :D
21:16 < minto> But a different Office this time.
21:17 < minto> Working on a system to keep track of all legel fire arms in the Netherlands.
21:17 < minto> legel = legal
21:17 < morfoh> minto: I know I know ... that's why I'm a bit more careful now ... and watching you intensively;)
21:18 < morfoh> minto: errrrmm! not watching you of course ... I'm just doing documentation ;)
21:18 < CIA-9> msluis * r11890 /trunk/package/java/commons-lang/ (. commons-lang.conf commons-lang.desc): * added Jakarta commons-lang (2.1)
21:18 < minto> There is not much to watch :(
21:18 < minto> working 10 hours a day plus another 4 on the road :(
21:19 < minto> T2 documentation ?
21:19 < morfoh> minto: hmmmm ... indeed that sounds ugly
21:23 < rxr> minto: how do you work on the road ?
21:24 < morfoh> rxr: I guess he can't work because he has to drive ;)
21:26 < minto> brb, phoning
21:28 < morfoh> rxr: btw, I recently started a dietemb "ref" build to see what was f*cked up
21:32 < minto> hi rxr, morfoh is right, just holding the wheel plus an occasional phone call :(
21:33 < minto> Using public transport would even take longer
21:45 < CIA-9> msluis * r11891 /trunk/package/java/commons-lang/commons-lang.conf: * conf file not needed for Jakarta commons-lang
21:50 < valentin> re
21:52 < rxr> re
21:59 < minto> :( Gotta go again, cu all
21:59 < _Ragnar_> cya *hugs*
21:59 < minto> :D thanks
22:01 < _Lewellyn> adios minto
22:01 < morfoh> au revoir minto :)
22:02 < rxr> cu minto
22:02 < minto> You guys are spoiling me with attention :)
22:02 < minto> cu all
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22:12 < rxr> http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/cups/cups-pie.patch?rev=1.4&view=auto
22:12 < rxr> ^- oh red hat is injecting -fPIE -pie into cups build
22:14 * _Lewellyn refrains from another pie comment
22:15 < _Lewellyn> which means it's lunchtime. back later!
22:26 < sepp> moin
22:27 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11892 /trunk/package/x11/fluxbox/fluxbox.desc: * updated fluxbox (0.9.13 -> 0.9.14)
22:27 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11893 /trunk/package/graphic/scribus/scribus.desc: * updated scribus (1.2.2.1 -> 1.2.3)
22:28 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11894 /trunk/package/graphic/pixie/pixie.desc: * updated pixie (1.4.5 -> 1.4.6)
22:28 < rxr> moin sepp
22:28 < sepp> moin rxr
22:29 < mnemoc> moin
22:29 < sepp> moin mnemoc, maybe at least on your side of the globe it is morning...
22:30 < mnemoc> 16:30 :)
22:30 < rxr> hi mnemoc - how is your day ?
22:30 < sepp> hmm
22:30 < mnemoc> sata machine successfully installed with vserver, so i have a new build machine :p
22:31 < rxr> a new or additional ?
22:31 < mnemoc> the one 3h away
22:32 < mnemoc> inside a vserver, and on a sata disk, everything will be faster and safer
22:32 < sepp> ohh brlcad :P
22:32 < mnemoc> so i'll leave their webserver just a file mirror :p
22:32 < mnemoc> sepp: does it build?
22:32 < morfoh> hi mnemoc sepp
22:32 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
22:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: so it worked :)
22:32 < rxr> mnemoc: I added conditional WRAPPER stuff
22:33 < rxr> intergrated quite good into the code
22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: great!
22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: tested with --as-needed'
22:33 < mnemoc> ?
22:33 < rxr> I tried hard to crash the ?: parser - so far no segfault - also tested for what combinations came to my mind
22:33 < sepp> mnemoc: don't know i tested the 1st free version and, hmm i had the feeling that it was invented on a pdp11
22:33 < rxr> mnemoc: well - only shortly - I did not do a full build looking at head ELF file ... but so far it looked reasonable
22:33 < mnemoc> pdp11?? 70s?
22:34 < sepp> yes
22:34 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll try my pie stuff
22:34 < morfoh> sepp: what do you mean ? vserver ?
22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: I added the PIE option already
22:34 < mnemoc> :o
22:34 < mnemoc> thanks a lot :D
22:34 < rxr> but not fully tested
22:34 < rxr> I have no address space randomization kernel handy ...
22:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: he is talking about brlcad
22:35 < rxr> well - 3 lines for the PIE optoin ,-)
22:35 < sepp> http://sourceforge.net/dbimage.php?id=13040 <--- brlcad on a pdp11
22:35 < mnemoc> rxr: as it should be on a good SDE :D
22:35 < rxr> is anyone using our CUPS 1.1.23 ?
22:35 < rxr> it does not work for me
22:35 < mnemoc> let me check what version i'm using...
22:35 * rxr debugging this annoying printing thing - so the next time I need a hardcopy printing just works ...
22:36 < rxr> not as the last time when I booted windows ... to feed rastered data to the Magicolor ...
22:36 < mnemoc> # mine -q cups
22:36 < mnemoc> cups 1.1.23 2.1.0-rc1
22:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: dietsheba stops with building gcc due to the update to 3.4.4
22:36 < mnemoc> ^--- on my samba print server
22:36 < rxr> what kind of printer ?
22:36 < mnemoc> hp cheap-laser
22:37 < rxr> with gimp-print as rasterizer ?
22:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: but I think I've found some infos about diet+SSP
22:37 < mnemoc> rxr: no, direct usage via samba to print documents and web pages
22:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: LFS has a patchset to move parts of SSP to glibc, as diet does
22:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: take a look at this -> http://www.synflood.at/contrapolice.html
22:40 < mnemoc> uhm
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22:43 < mnemoc> rxr: will you want my error logs, or you will debug only what you find in your build?
22:45 < rxr> well - I will have to do some archivista bug hunting the next days - let me debug my side first
22:46 < mnemoc> ok
22:46 < rxr> the latency of .cl ssh connections is so high...
22:46 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm preparing the other build machine (inside a vserver)... i'll keep the current just for you :)
22:46 < rxr> and I want this damn CUPS to feed data to my printer more reliable ...
22:47 < mnemoc> archivista without printing looks like a _big_ problem :p
22:48 < rxr> well - no cups hunting for archivista
22:48 < rxr> more like why mysql is killed from time to time (found that already - memory leak in their perl code ...)
22:48 < rxr> and other stuff like this usb encryption that sometimes does not work too well (they say)
22:48 < rxr> but anyway
22:49 < rxr> I need my printer on my desk printing when _I_ need a paper ...
22:49 < rxr> the last time I tried 2 hours and then booted windows
22:49 < rxr> cups is a damn f*cking hell - my oh my ...
22:49 < rxr> guess ExactPrint need to be pushed higher on the longer todo ...
22:49 < mnemoc> o.o
22:49 < rxr> the thing is - in the past printing worked (mostly)
22:49 < morfoh> rxr: building dietemb wasn't that bad -> curl, gmp, ppp, unionfs failing
22:50 < rxr> now even the test page is rejected due ipp negotation stuff
22:50 < rxr> AND IT WORKED some weeks ago ...
22:50 < mnemoc> uhm
22:50 < rxr> and formerly there was also the bug that sometimes CUPS had the idea to feed 100 dpi rastered data to the laser - though that one only accepts 600 oer 1200
22:51 < rxr> and that was also an annoying bug I did not track within hours ...
22:51 < rxr> resulting in every now and then I was not able to print a job - due cups yielding 100dpi data ...
22:51 < rxr> damn crapy code junk ...
22:51 < rxr> I usually used gimp to feed raster data into cups - that was then reliably rastered @ 600 dpi ...
22:51 < rxr> but starting gimp to pre-raster a .ps or .pdf is reall just ugly ..
22:52 < mnemoc> uhm
22:53 < rxr> yeah - and all because other can not come up with a decent printing system
22:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: i would like host IDS as Base/IDS .... and the other as services
22:54 < mnemoc> morfoh: comments?
22:55 < mnemoc> rxr: lpr-ng?
22:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: why Base ? and what do you want to move there ... all current IDS stuff ?
22:56 < mnemoc> Base/Security/IDS ... because it's an internal security feature of the host
22:56 < rxr> mnemoc: have beed there - done that - never again ...
22:56 < mnemoc> only host-IDS
22:56 < mnemoc> rxr: worse than cups?
22:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: only host-IDS. sensors, managers, etc.... are services, host-IDS is a 'feature'
22:57 < sepp> what is this pie thing? i mean pic - i understand it but pie???
22:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack ... then we should move libprelude.ask there
22:58 < mnemoc> sepp: GCC/binutils solution for pax hackery
22:59 < rxr> mnemoc: worse
22:59 < rxr> sepp: -pie is like -pic - just not for libraries but executables
22:59 < mnemoc> sepp: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hlfs/view/unstable/glibc/chapter02/pie.html
23:04 < sepp> hmm sounds intersting - but i guess gdb will completly freak out with -pie
23:04 < sepp> i mean not the normal chaos level
23:04 < rxr> oh my god
23:05 < rxr> you do not want to know how long my IBM RS6000 server need to raster a page for my laser printer
23:05 < mnemoc> ack :p
23:05 < rxr> cups test page need about 1 minute ...
23:06 < rxr> hm - from the rs6k the printer prints the page - not from the athlon
23:06 < rxr> and there I have:
23:06 < rxr> # mine -q cups ghostscript
23:06 < rxr> cups 1.1.23 2.2.0-alpha
23:06 < rxr> ghostscript 8.15rc3 2.2.0-alpha
23:06 < rxr> athlon #
23:06 < rxr> mine -q cups ghostscript
23:06 < rxr> cups 1.1.23 2.2.0-alpha
23:06 < rxr> ghostscript 8.15rc3 2.2.0-alpha
23:07 < rxr> hm ...
23:08 < mnemoc> o.o
23:08 < rxr> well - given all pages work on the rs6k I'll never touch that box again ...
23:08 < rxr> and leave the dusty black box raster the pages ..
23:12 < mnemoc> are ld and diet wrappers a missing need or gcc is enough?
23:12 < rxr> ld could be handy indeed
23:12 < rxr> E [15/Sep/2005:23:11:34 +0200] [Job 4] Resolution 100 is not support.
23:12 < rxr> E [15/Sep/2005:23:11:34 +0200] PID 9140 stopped with status 1!
23:12 < rxr> ^- there is the bug again
23:13 < rxr> so on the RS6k I can print the documents that used to work - and still not thosed that have been problematic before
23:13 < rxr> and s.th. on my athlon's cups is more f*ckup up then usual
23:13 < rxr> queuing to debug this resolution == 100 iso for the weekend ...
23:14 < mnemoc> rxr: what about using pdflatex instead of gimp?
23:15 < rxr> pdflatex?
23:15 < rxr> usually my docuemnts are not TeX nowadays ...
23:15 < mnemoc> you can include things inside generated tex documents
23:15 < mnemoc> and ask pdflatex to re-render them
23:16 < sepp> mnemoc: brlcad compiles on my notebook running trunk/gcc4
23:16 < mnemoc> sepp: :D
23:16 < mnemoc> sepp: upload .cache :)
23:16 < sepp> ok
23:18 < rxr> Scott Berkun (who worked on UI design for Internet Explorer 1.0 thru 5.0) talked about why he switched to Firefox. In addition to five reasons why he switched, Scott also detailed five UI flaws in Firefox.
23:19 < rxr> Scott Berkun (who worked on UI design for Internet Explorer 1.0 thru 5.0) talked about why he switched to Firefox. In addition to five reasons why he switched, Scott also detailed five UI flaws in Firefox.http://www.scottberkun.com/blog/?p=115
23:19 < mnemoc> /.?
23:20 < sepp> mnemoc: my brlcad.cache has the same deps as the one in trunk
23:22 < mnemoc> sepp: oh, i didn't see trunk's .cache
23:23 < rxr> the debut of its high-end UltraSparc IV+ processor
23:24 < rxr> http://news.com.com/Sun+upgrades+servers+with+UltraSparc+IV+debut/2100-1006_3-5865755.html?tag=nefd.top
23:24 < rxr> n8 all
23:25 < sepp> sleep well rxr :)
23:25 < morfoh> gn( rxr
23:25 < morfoh> gn8
23:25 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
23:27 < sepp> well brlcad is evil becuae it builds a own tcl/tk version :/
23:27 < mnemoc> can you make it use system's?
23:30 < sepp> i think you can
23:31 < sepp> at least there is a configure switch
23:39 < sepp> i will go and sleep now and check if it works with system tcl/tk tomorrow
23:39 < sepp> good night *
23:40 < morfoh> night sepp .zzzzZZZZZleep well
23:40 -!- bfg [n=bfg@chello080109010143.16.14.univie.teleweb.at] has quit ["Verlassend"]
23:40 < _Lewellyn> night sepp and rxr
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