--- Log opened Tue Aug 23 00:00:00 2005 00:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: http://www3.t2-project.org/Members/amery/mnemosyne/modules <--- WIP 00:06 < mnemoc> eliminate it ... go ahead 00:06 < mnemoc> [17:56:58] morfoh: i want to rethink current modules 00:06 < mnemoc> [17:58:07] mnemoc: ack ... that's a good idea ... any other things you want to "kill" ? 00:06 < mnemoc> err 00:07 < mnemoc> sorry 00:07 < mnemoc> morfoh: please refresh, first iteration finished :) 00:07 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11208 /trunk/package/base/pcre/ (libtool-crap-workaround.patch pcre.desc pcrecpp.patch): 00:07 < CIA-9> * update pcre (6.1 -> 6.3) SECURITY: 00:07 < CIA-9> http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2005/Aug/1014744.html 00:08 < mnemoc> i thought that was already updated on trunk 00:10 * _Ragnar_ sure hope jsaw tested that!:) 00:12 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i tought you were talking about merge it to 2.1 :) 00:12 < _Ragnar_> no 00:12 < _Ragnar_> but you probably should do that 00:15 < mnemoc> right after you finish testing :) 00:16 < mnemoc> kde is eating all my testing resources 00:16 < _Ragnar_> I'm doing trunk 00:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: what should I refresh ? 00:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: http://www3.t2-project.org/Members/amery/mnemosyne/modules 00:16 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: :( 00:16 < _Ragnar_> btw ... how are they dependencies detected? file access, or? 00:17 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: reads during reference build 00:18 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:18 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 00:19 < CIA-9> chris * r11209 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Security/grsecurity.ask: * added grsecurity to mnemosyne's pkgsel 00:20 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: just wondering if it is possible to deduce a update recommendation for other packages who link to the .a version of a library 00:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: Menrva (Etruscan) or Minerva (Roman) ? 00:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: I think the roman version is easier to speak for most people 00:21 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i think currently we can suggest updates for all dependers 00:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: ok 00:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: but I like the etruscan version :p 00:22 < mnemoc> morfoh: then? 00:23 < mnemoc> morfoh: i think we can pronounce it menerva anyway ;) 00:23 < mnemoc> morfoh: but i have never listen etruscan 00:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack 00:23 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: which would be pointless for packages just linking to the .so when there's no interface change 00:23 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: score :) 00:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: and there is a olive oil here called "Minerva" ... dunno how the crap is protected by (tm) 00:25 < mnemoc> morfoh: different business... and afaik you can't register public domain names 00:25 < _Ragnar_> you can't? 00:25 < mnemoc> can you register 'sun' or 'moon'? 00:25 < _Ragnar_> if you can register the color pink or the 'T', you can 00:25 < mnemoc> uhm 00:25 < mnemoc> not here 00:26 < mnemoc> not even 'generics' 00:26 < _Ragnar_> good idea ;) 00:26 < mnemoc> you can register a corporative _logo_ 00:26 < mnemoc> but not the word 00:29 < mnemoc> bbl 00:30 < morfoh> I'll go sleep 00:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: please push our 'thing' or i'll die 00:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I'm on it 00:31 < morfoh> good night ... cu tomorrow 00:31 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEFE9A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 00:37 -!- sparc-kly|univ [n=lab216@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 00:50 -!- sparc-kly|univ [n=lab216@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:06 -!- sparc-kly|univ [n=lab216@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 03:08 -!- bfg [n=bfg@chello080109010143.16.14.univie.teleweb.at] has quit ["Verlassend"] 03:54 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11210 /trunk/package/mail/exim/exim.conf: * as-needed fix: linking to -ldb needs also -lpthread 04:51 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AFB930.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 04:57 < CIA-9> amery * r11211 /branches/2.1/package/kde/qt/qt.conf: * merged 10282 from trunk: fixed qt to use it's default prefix even if it's not part of your config. 04:59 < CIA-9> amery * r11212 /branches/2.1/package/kde/kaffeine/kaffeine.desc: * merged 10884 from trunk: updated kaffeine (0.6 -> 0.7) 05:06 < CIA-9> amery * r11213 /branches/2.1/package/kde/ (19 files in 19 dirs): (log message trimmed) 05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793,10811 from trunk: updated arts (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2) 05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793 from trunk: updated kdegames (3.4.1 -> 3.4.2) 05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793 from trunk: updated kdebindings (3.4.1 -> 3.4.2) 05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793 from trunk: updated kdeaddons (3.4.1 -> 3.4.2) 05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793 from trunk: updated kdepim (3.4.1 -> 3.4.2) 05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793,10812 from trunk: updated kdevelop (3.2.1 -> 3.2.2) 05:08 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AF9011.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:43 -!- sparc-kly|univ [n=lab216@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:43 -!- sparc-kly|univ [n=lab216@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 06:47 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.254.237] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:54 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.224] has joined #t2 07:05 -!- keinek_ [n=keinek@201.255.148.245] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:57 < rxr> re 08:19 < valentin> moin 08:22 < rxr> moin 08:35 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 08:35 < morfoh> moin 08:37 < rxr> I will do three things today: start a gcc-4.0.1 build, start a powerpc64 build (if t2 installs on the G5 iMac) and prepare a index.html for http://www.t2-powered.net 08:37 < rxr> aside the other osx debugging cruft 08:38 < CIA-9> rene * r11214 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * updated imagemagick (6.2.4-1 -> 6.2.4-2) 08:38 < CIA-9> rene * r11215 /trunk/package/audio/sweep/sweep.desc: * updated sweep (0.8.3 -> 0.8.4) 08:39 < rxr> btw. as predicted gsmp was not down - I need to ask what - maybe the usual freebsd downtime or a uni router before that 08:43 < morfoh> good morning rxr :) 08:59 < morfoh> rxr: why do we patch away bsetroot in fluxbox ? 09:00 < rxr> because it is in blackbox 09:00 < morfoh> rxr: and if I don't have blackbox 09:00 < rxr> _b_setroot == blackbox set root 09:00 < _Ragnar_> what if I don't wanna install blackbox? 09:00 < rxr> then you can install it ,-) 09:00 < rxr> _Ragnar_: then you need to add more conditionals to the patch ... 09:01 < morfoh> rxr: uhm? so you propose just installing blackbox for bsetroot ? 09:01 < rxr> morfoh: ok - then make a seperate bsetroot package ... 09:01 < rxr> personally I find any blackbox clone superfluous anyway 09:02 < morfoh> rxr: is bsetroot available as standalone app ? 09:03 < rxr> don't think so 09:03 < rxr> use the blackbox one ... 09:03 < rxr> (as base for a package))) 09:03 < rxr> oje - new imagemagick does not build - damn ... 09:04 < _Ragnar_> I'd just conditionally patch fluxbox to use xsetroot if blackbox is not installed 09:04 < morfoh> if pkginstalled blackbox; then var_append patchfiles " " $confdir/no-bsetroot.diff 09:04 < rxr> or patch fluxbox to install and use fsetroot ,-) 09:04 < morfoh> fi 09:05 < _Ragnar_> or that :) 09:06 < morfoh> where do I find fsetroot ? 09:08 < rxr> morfoh: ehrm ... 09:09 < rxr> fluxbox includes bsetroot - I meant to patch it to rename that betroot copy ... 09:09 < rxr> into fsetroot 09:09 < morfoh> ah ok ... ic sorry 09:09 < rxr> The Linux binutils 2.16.91.0.3 is released 09:10 < morfoh> rxr: anyway ... before my first complain about bsetroot I haven't seen that the patch will just applied if blackbox is present ... so I've no problem with it atm 09:19 < _Ragnar_> nini folks 09:21 < morfoh> sleep well _Ragnar_ 09:22 < _Ragnar_> thanks :) 09:30 < rxr> n8 _Ragnar_ 09:36 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.13] has joined #t2 09:36 -!- _Lewellyn [i=sempiter@pdpc/supporter/silver/lewellyn] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:38 -!- _Lewellyn [i=emeershi@pdpc/supporter/silver/lewellyn] has joined #t2 09:39 * rxr off to the national library - cu soon 09:39 < morfoh> cu+ 09:39 < CIA-9> rene * r11216 /trunk/package/audio/sweep/sweep.conf: * fixed latest sweep to build 09:40 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["leaving"] 09:47 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.2] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:50 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@84.46.226.121] has quit ["leaving"] 10:39 -!- bfg [n=bfg@chello080109010143.16.14.univie.teleweb.at] has joined #t2 10:39 < bfg> hi 10:39 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 11:32 < rxr> re 11:42 < morfoh> wb rxr 11:43 * morfoh rebooting ... bbl 11:43 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["leaving"] 12:03 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 12:03 < morfoh> re 12:22 < CIA-9> rene * r11217 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/no-ltdl-install.patch: * removed obsolete no-ltdl-install.patch from imagemagick 12:24 < rxr> hm - now I also get Re-running configuration: 12:24 < rxr> -> Creating configuration script. 12:24 < rxr> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x10060e30 *** 12:24 < rxr> on my iBook 12:24 < rxr> must be a recent change in some config / dialog stuff .. 12:26 < morfoh> moving home ... cu later 12:26 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["leaving"] 12:29 < CIA-9> rene * r11218 /trunk/package/graphic/inkscape/inkscape.desc: * updated inkscape (0.42 -> 0.42.2) 12:32 < CIA-9> rene * r11219 /trunk/package/base/man/man.desc: * updated man (1.6 -> 1.6a) 12:35 < CIA-9> rene * r11220 /trunk/package/base/file/file.desc: * updated file (4.13 -> 4.15) 12:35 < CIA-9> rene * r11221 /trunk/package/x11/icewm/icewm.desc: * updated icewm (1.2.22 -> 1.2.23) 12:36 < CIA-9> rene * r11222 /trunk/package/gnome2/bluefish/bluefish.desc: * updated bluefish (1.0.1 -> 1.0.3) 13:09 -!- Baldzius [n=baldzius@84.46.226.121] has joined #t2 13:29 < rxr> valentin: do you take gweis knetconfig patches ? 13:33 * rxr off again 13:56 < bfg> Hi, has anyone some docbook experience? some packages fail because they can't buid their docs with openjade. (maybe missing dtd's or similar files and missing tools) 14:02 < rxr> maybe you miss some other package in your build 14:02 < rxr> what do you build? 14:04 < CIA-9> rene * r11223 /trunk/package/graphic/gle-graphics/ (. gle-graphics.cache gle-graphics.conf gle-graphics.desc): * added gle-graphics (4.0.9) 14:04 < rxr> ^- finally ... 14:04 < rxr> but now off ... 14:19 < bfg> docbook: i build my own package-selection. about 950 packages (mostly development and desktop things) 14:33 < bfg> maybe the shortes descitpion is, it is a generic build, with a reduced package selection and some expert options changed 15:00 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:01 < jsaw> bfg: a few examples on which packages fail due to docbook, please 15:14 < bfg> jsaw: linphone fails to build developer-docs, I added a package docbook-utils (which contains docbook2html or db2html and other tools from ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/docbook-tools/ needed to build muttprint) but both (docbook-utils and muttprint) fail. 15:18 < jsaw> docbookx selected? 15:20 < bfg> yes 15:20 < bfg> but if i remember correcty linphone needs a docbook V3.0 dtd. 15:20 < bfg> which is not included in docbookx 15:20 < jsaw> oh, so package update needed... 15:21 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.224] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:22 < bfg> which package to update? 15:22 < bfg> and the others also fail because of missing dtd's and missing dsssl 15:22 < jsaw> bfg: I can't see an immediate fix (I don't see any newer versions of docbook...) 15:23 < bfg> i think, we have to include also the older versions of docbookx 15:28 < jsaw> I have no idea....sorry 15:29 < bfg> i will have a look into older releases of docbook, maybe there are the missing files 15:31 -!- morfoh [n=morfoh@p54BEDF56.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 15:32 < morfoh> re hi 15:36 < rxr> re 15:36 < rxr> well - what a coincidency - the day I register at the main library in berlin my registration is lost in a computer breakdown ... 15:36 < rxr> haha ... 15:37 < morfoh> rxr: seems that computers don't like you ... hehe :) 16:00 -!- rxr_ [i=rene@e178175039.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 16:00 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | BT http://torrent.t2-project.org/ 16:00 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Tue Aug 9 23:45:30 2005] 16:00 [Users #t2] 16:00 [ _Lewellyn] [ bfg ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin] 16:00 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ CIA-9] [ menomc] [ nzg] [ SerWou ] 16:00 [ Baldzius ] [ dsoul] [ morfoh] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly|univ] 16:00 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 16:00 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 16:00 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 16:08 * morfoh is taking a nap ... cu later 16:16 -!- rxr [i=rene@e178161210.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:28 -!- bfg [n=bfg@chello080109010143.16.14.univie.teleweb.at] has quit ["Verlassend"] 16:29 -!- You're now known as rxr 16:39 < CIA-9> rene * r11224 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc: * updated knetconf (r272 -> r280) 16:59 < rxr> well - now the people I wrote the current ExactImage glue code for are happy ,-) 16:59 < rxr> with the code beeing over ten (!) times faster than equivalent image magick calls ... ,-) 16:59 < rxr> and no asm involved ... 17:00 < menomc> *yawn* 17:10 < rxr> moin menomc ! 17:11 < rxr> your shuffled name is iritating 17:13 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 17:14 < mnemoc> moin rxr 17:14 < rxr> ,-) 17:15 < rxr> well - /me soon of again - to grab the remaining (image processing) books @ the library (that lost my fresh morning registration in a computer crash ... 17:15 < mnemoc> mnemoc: for t2-powered, what do you thing it's better, a collective repository with authz or a repository per project? 17:16 < rxr> btw. though the library computers did not allow right click desktop to retrieve CPU info (I was wondering why this NT thingi was that slow) but allowed me to set the IE start page from msn s.th. to www.linux.org ... 17:16 < rxr> mnemoc: one per project 17:16 < rxr> mnemoc: please do you projects first - we need you healthy and payed by your clients ... 17:17 < rxr> e.g. I'll setup a info page today and can also later prepare the per project stuff - maybe in seperated xen domains or so ... 17:17 < mnemoc> rxr: :D 17:17 < rxr> I nearly set it to www.t2-project.org/startpage ... 17:18 < rxr> *grrr* another page that needs work - but I consider making t2-powered.net a startpage with latest news and such scrolling by ... 17:18 < rxr> so we could use that as browser and PR startpage 17:18 < mnemoc> rxr: can you create a mnemosyne svn for me? so i can start writting mnemosyne '0.2.x' there? 17:18 < mnemoc> rxr: sounds good 17:18 < rxr> what is trunk mnemosyne? 0.1 ? 17:19 < mnemoc> yes 17:19 < rxr> oh 17:19 < mnemoc> flagged as EXPERIMENTAL on 2.1 17:19 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - I can create it - maybe before I leave 17:20 < mnemoc> i was about to ask you to redirect svn.t2-powered.net and mnemosyne.t2-powered.net to my IP, but if you want to set it much better :) 17:21 < rxr> mnemoc: yep ack - i do si 17:22 < rxr> mnemoc: I wil also locally start building trunk with gcc-4.0.1 - if it does not go too bad I'll update there soon 17:22 < rxr> and then only stabelize for release of 2.2 in automn 17:22 < rxr> like linux world expo 17:23 < mnemoc> rxr: can you take a look into both gnome 2.10.2 troubles i had? 17:23 < rxr> with study starting soon and /me not able to earn much more money since taxes would explode then, ... I should have even more time for t2 the remaining time of the year 17:23 < rxr> mnemoc: oehm - are they in the trac ? 17:23 < mnemoc> yes 17:24 < rxr> ok - then I take a look - tomorrow or so ... 17:24 < rxr> for today too much is on my TODO ... 17:24 < rxr> (including cycling to the library for two more image proc. books ...) 17:24 < rxr> and I really really want to start a powerpc64 build on the iMac and the gcc-4.x build on my athlon ... 17:28 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/ 17:29 < rxr> mnemoc: do you want to test commit before I leave ? 17:29 < mnemoc> minute 17:31 < rxr> I injected your t2 hash btw ... 17:31 < mnemoc> amery? 17:31 < rxr> ack 17:31 < mnemoc> uhm 17:32 < mnemoc> are the permissions ok? 17:33 < rxr> why do you ask = 17:33 < rxr> ? eve 17:33 < rxr> n 17:33 < rxr> ... 17:33 < mnemoc> because i cannot commit :) 17:34 < rxr> [Tue Aug 23 17:32:00 2005] [error] [client 200.75.27.13] user amery not found: /mnemosyne/!svn/act/1f38ab84-02ff-0310-9930-f7eebf87c888 17:34 < rxr> let me take a look 17:34 < rxr> please retry 17:35 < rxr> ah - no 17:35 < rxr> sec 17:36 < rxr> now 17:37 < mnemoc> :D 17:38 < rxr> hehe - ok 17:39 < rxr> so - me off collecing library books and dinner 17:39 < rxr> cu all then ... 17:39 < mnemoc> cu rxr, and thanks 17:41 < rxr> not for that ,-) 17:41 < rxr> have fun! 17:41 < mnemoc> you too :) 17:47 < rxr> rock-net was deleted from freshmeat (on my request) 17:47 < rxr> rock-plug migrated to hotplug++ 17:49 < mnemoc> so 2.1 will be officialy based on deprecated software :( 18:00 < mnemoc> rxr: still here? 18:01 < mnemoc> rxr: svn: COPY of 0.1: 500 Internal Server Error (http://svn.exactcode.de) :p 18:32 -!- hybrid_goth [n=hybrid@dpc6745217221.direcpc.com] has joined #t2 18:38 < mnemoc> rxr: i guess i can't svn cp between t2/trunk and mnemosyne/branches :) 19:00 < morfoh> re hi *yawn* 19:00 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 19:00 < morfoh> hey mnemoc :) 19:51 < valentin> hi all 20:16 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11225 /trunk/package/dictionary/aspell/aspell.conf: 20:16 < CIA-9> Gerhard Wiese: 20:16 < CIA-9> * aspell needs -lm 20:18 < morfoh> jsaw: do I have namesake here ... or have you done a mistake :) 20:19 < morfoh> hi valentin 20:19 < jsaw> *damn* 20:19 < jsaw> sorry :) 20:19 < morfoh> jsaw: hi btw :) 20:19 < jsaw> hi morfoh 20:19 < morfoh> jsaw: I don't have a problem with it ... :) 20:20 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11226 /trunk/package/database/bdb/bdb-conf.in: * link -lpthread to bdb, fixes exim, postfix etc... 20:20 < morfoh> .oO( so evil morfoh's brainwash system works on #t2 )o *g* 20:21 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11227 /trunk/package/mail/exim/exim.conf: * revert r11210 due to r11226 20:22 < jsaw> can somebody tell me why this crap libtool thinks, g++ is not a standard compiler.... *GRRRR* 20:24 < valentin> hi 20:24 < jsaw> hi valentin 20:25 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 20:25 -!- hybrid_goth [n=hybrid@dpc6745217221.direcpc.com] has left #t2 [] 20:25 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: ? 20:28 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11228 /trunk/ (misc/share/PKG-FLAGS package/base/gcc/parse-config): * add "NO-AS-NEEDED" package flag 20:43 < rxr> re 20:44 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.241.224] has joined #t2 20:46 < rxr> TrackFS 0.0.4 20:46 < rxr> ^- is interesting - like strace AFAICR from the package desc 20:46 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/releases/204872/ 20:46 < Baldzius> rxr: why /lib/pkgconfig isn't in PKG_CONFIG_PATH env? 20:47 < Baldzius> there are bunch of files inthere 20:47 < rxr> Baldzius: there should not 20:47 < Baldzius> i have 7 files 20:48 < Baldzius> and libxfce4util file 20:48 < Baldzius> i can't compile xfcedesktop 20:49 < Baldzius> i can move those files but this isn't good 20:50 < Baldzius> is problem me or not? :) 20:55 < rxr> Baldzius: your xfce is not in your package list 20:55 < rxr> I should fix Emerge to not allow Emerging unselected packages that result in no confinguration beeing available for those ... 20:56 < Baldzius> got it , thanks :) 20:56 < Baldzius> i really want to be able to install full system on minimal 20:57 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11229 /trunk/ (misc/tools-source/fl_wrapper.c.sh scripts/Build-Tools): 20:57 < CIA-9> * fl_wrapper: deny writing outside basedir in stages 0,1 20:57 < CIA-9> (except /dev/null and /tmp) 20:57 < Baldzius> if i use Emerge should i always use cfg option? 20:59 < rxr> Baldzius: run Config and select: Expert - then: Custom package selection: then add "X xfce4/*" as rule 21:00 < rxr> and then reemerge xfce stuff - best uninstall (mine -r) the installed xfce packages ... 21:00 < Baldzius> rxr i know, you told me that several days ago :) 21:00 < rxr> I fill a trac issue to not Emerge unselected packages ... ,-) 21:00 < Baldzius> that would be nice :) 21:00 < CIA-9> rene * r11230 /trunk/package/audio/sox/sox.desc: * updated sox (12.17.7 -> 12.17.8) 21:01 < Baldzius> so i guess i always have to use cfg option with Emerge-Pkg? 21:02 < rxr> morfoh: we need one or two more track components: either "build-system" or "scripts" and "source" 21:02 < rxr> I prefer the later 21:02 < rxr> Baldzius: do you mean -cfg or s.th. else ? 21:02 < Baldzius> yeah like Emerge-Pkg -cfg system package 21:02 < morfoh> rxr: please add an issue ... I've added a category for trac itself ;) 21:03 < Baldzius> now i just use Emerge-Pkg package 21:03 < morfoh> bbl ... back in some minutes ... have to buy some food for the "rat" 21:07 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - you can not copy between repositories ... 21:12 < rxr> hm - they sent my new laptop out today - let's see if I get it tomorrow ... 21:22 < rxr> hm - the iMac doesn't like to boot from the latest t2 cd ... - damn 21:24 < _Ragnar_> O_O 21:25 < rxr> it boots fine on iBooks ... 21:44 < mnemoc> re 21:44 < mnemoc> does 11229 work? :) 21:45 < rxr> http://www.t2-powered.net/index.html 21:46 < jsaw> mnemoc: I check indirectly, the first implementation didn't ignore /dev/null and /tmp, then the fl_wrapper exited es expected 21:46 < rxr> mnemoc: I think so - but we should mirgrate away from fl_wrapper 21:46 < mnemoc> sounds very promising :) 21:46 < rxr> because we have static depmod now - and 3rd party module packages often get that wrong 21:47 < rxr> also embedded targets with a lot of static does not work with those ... 21:48 < rxr> maybe just migrate fl_wrapper to not use LD_PRELOAD but the strace stuff like strace and this new TrackFS 21:48 < mnemoc> this new TrackFS? fuse? 21:49 -!- Shingo-- [n=Shingo--@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 21:49 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/releases/204872/ 21:49 < rxr> ^- trackfs 21:49 < rxr> I do not mean fuse 21:49 < rxr> fuse would not help us AFAICS 21:49 < rxr> but strace based interception would be perfect 21:49 < rxr> s.th. like a lightweight strace just for our purpose 21:50 < _Ragnar_> strace doesn't always work tho 21:50 < rxr> it might be 1% slower than LD_PRELOAD but way more reliable (that is for static binaries) 21:50 < rxr> _Ragnar_: tell me more ,-) 21:50 < Shingo--> re 21:50 < _Ragnar_> why don't we use selinux in permissive mode? 21:51 < mnemoc> o.O 21:52 < _Ragnar_> (if we want file accesses) 21:52 < mnemoc> trackfs: tracks file system changes ..... what about deps? 21:52 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not want trackfs 21:53 < rxr> it was just an example and reminder 21:53 < mnemoc> :) 21:53 < _Ragnar_> fuse could help, too, tho 21:53 < rxr> we intercept read exec write and so on just like with LD_PRELOAD - but on system call level 21:53 < rxr> _Ragnar_: but only if build every package into another overlay 21:53 < _Ragnar_> just write a plugin that just logs the accesses and streams all the IO to a different filesys 21:53 < _Ragnar_> why? 21:53 < rxr> and it would not be useful for in-system builds to retrieve execution and such ... 21:54 < rxr> _Ragnar_: how to you want to get in-system reads, execs, and so on with fuse? 21:54 < _Ragnar_> huh? 21:54 < rxr> and how track write for in-system - except installing into $some_fuse_mountpoint 21:54 < _Ragnar_> execution depends on a read 21:54 < rxr> _Ragnar_: how do you want to use fuse to get read of my / reiserfs ? 21:55 < _Ragnar_> you misunderstand ... fuse is just a user level filesystem interface ... in the user level part you can just read/write/open/close a file in the 'normal' / 21:56 < _Ragnar_> same as you can use fuse to read/write into a tar archive 21:57 < rxr> ok - even if you hack around with fuse for this - you would have problems with two in-system Builds (for example) - you have on / fuse mount and two builds 21:58 < _Ragnar_> huh? 21:58 < rxr> and even if you hack up that to work (via process tree parsing or so) you are heavily depending on a linux only feature - extending tracing mechanisms of the fl_wrapper to ptrace() allows extending to simillar methos on BSDs or OSuX .. 21:58 < rxr> and does cause less dependencies on the linux kerenl T2 is built on ... 21:58 < _Ragnar_> okay you got a point there, tho bsd so also have some user level filesys afaik 21:59 < rxr> _Ragnar_: Maybe I do not understand your fuse use idea completely ... though ... 22:00 < _Ragnar_> yea problem with ptrace is that it just doesn't always seems to work (bug in strace maybe?) 22:00 < rxr> _Ragnar_: did not had such issues - is that official ? 22:00 < _Ragnar_> it's not totally transparent to the app. either it seems ... I've had a program run into an endless wait only when running with strace 22:01 < rxr> well - ok I think ssh has a trace protection at least ,-) 22:01 < _Ragnar_> official? 22:01 < _Ragnar_> it was reproducible at least 22:02 < rxr> well - at least I saw a strange behaviour when I straced it yesterday or so ... 22:02 < rxr> though this might be due to the other end beeing frozen anyway ... 22:06 < _Ragnar_> hmmmm 22:16 < CIA-9> rene * r11231 /trunk/package/base/binutils/ld-glob.patch: 22:16 < CIA-9> * fixed one integer type in the binutils/ld-glob.patch for a likely 22:16 < CIA-9> update to the latest binutils package, which is built with -Werror 22:16 < CIA-9> and thus breaks due that type mismatch 22:18 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_ offered to fix uclibc to support ld globbing last year :p 22:18 < _Ragnar_> uhm *whistles innocently* 22:19 < rxr> http://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/81 22:22 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11232 /trunk/misc/share/PKG-FLAGS: * hmm, \t needed instead of spaces 22:22 < mnemoc> jsaw: \s+ ? 22:22 < jsaw> ? 22:23 < mnemoc> on the parser :) 22:23 < jsaw> no idea where PKG-FLAGS is parsed... 22:26 < rxr> oh - someone tweaked the UU build ID further ic ... 22:28 < morfoh> re 22:31 < rxr> rehi morfoh 22:31 < rxr> morfoh: can I add the trac categories myself? 22:31 < rxr> or can you quickly or so ... 22:31 < rxr> just not to open a trac issue just for that ... ,-) 22:31 < morfoh> hi rxr ... what do want to add to trac again ? 22:32 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 22:35 < rxr> morfoh: eiether a "build-system" category or "scripts" and "source" 22:36 -!- sparc-kly|univ [n=lab216@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 22:37 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 22:37 < morfoh> rxr: what is your intention ? 22:37 < morfoh> hi mnemoc :) 22:37 < rxr> have a category for build-system bugs - such as Emerge 22:38 < rxr> Component even 22:38 < morfoh> rxr: ah! you mean in "Component" 22:38 < morfoh> :) 22:38 < morfoh> ok! mom 22:38 < morfoh> rxr: what do you prefer ? 22:38 < mnemoc> Component: SDE Component ? 22:39 < mnemoc> Component: SDE Tools ? 22:39 < rxr> not SDE - too long 22:39 < rxr> either "build-system" or "scripts" _and_ "source" 22:39 < rxr> maybe build-sytem is enough (for now)= 22:40 < morfoh> ok ... then let us choose build-system 22:42 < morfoh> et voila ... added 22:49 < rxr> nitpicking: could you remove the s from architectures packages and targets? 22:49 < rxr> usually bugs are assigned against a single of those ... ,-) 22:50 < rxr> == 22:44:59 =[0]=> Building base/gcc [4.0.1 2.2.0-alpha]. 22:55 < morfoh> rxr: changes done 22:57 < rxr> thanks 22:58 < morfoh> rxr: you're welcome my dear pedantic project master :p 22:58 * morfoh hides 23:11 < rxr> hm - gcc 4.0.1 fails - damn 23:11 < rxr> I'm sure it build some tiem ago ... 23:11 < rxr> too bad I wiped the needed changes 23:11 < rxr> I think I contineu tomorrow 23:11 < rxr> need sleep - n8 all 23:12 < morfoh> good night rxr ... sleep well 23:13 < rxr> n8 all 23:15 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 23:58 < _Ragnar_> re --- Log closed Wed Aug 24 00:00:00 2005