T2 IRC Log: 2005-08-23
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--- Log opened Tue Aug 23 00:00:00 2005
00:05 < mnemoc> morfoh:
http://www3.t2-project.org/Members/amery/mnemosyne/modules <--- WIP
00:06 < mnemoc> eliminate it ... go ahead
00:06 < mnemoc> [17:56:58]
morfoh: i want to rethink current modules
00:06 < mnemoc> [17:58:07] mnemoc: ack ... that's a good idea ... any other things you want to "kill" ?
00:06 < mnemoc> err
00:07 < mnemoc> sorry
00:07 < mnemoc> morfoh: please refresh, first iteration finished :)
00:07 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11208 /trunk/package/base/pcre/ (libtool-crap-workaround.patch pcre.desc pcrecpp.patch):
00:07 < CIA-9> * update pcre (6.1 -> 6.3) SECURITY:
00:07 < CIA-9> http://www.securitytracker.com/alerts/2005/Aug/1014744.html
00:08 < mnemoc> i thought that was already updated on trunk
00:10 * _Ragnar_ sure hope jsaw tested that!:)
00:12 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i tought you were talking about merge it to 2.1 :)
00:12 < _Ragnar_> no
00:12 < _Ragnar_> but you probably should do that
00:15 < mnemoc> right after you finish testing :)
00:16 < mnemoc> kde is eating all my testing resources
00:16 < _Ragnar_> I'm doing trunk
00:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: what should I refresh ?
00:16 < mnemoc> morfoh: http://www3.t2-project.org/Members/amery/mnemosyne/modules
00:16 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: :(
00:16 < _Ragnar_> btw ... how are they dependencies detected? file access, or?
00:17 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: reads during reference build
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00:19 < CIA-9> chris * r11209 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Security/grsecurity.ask: * added grsecurity to mnemosyne's pkgsel
00:20 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: just wondering if it is possible to deduce a update recommendation for other packages who link to the .a version of a library
00:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: Menrva (Etruscan) or Minerva (Roman) ?
00:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: I think the roman version is easier to speak for most people
00:21 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i think currently we can suggest updates for all dependers
00:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: ok
00:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: but I like the etruscan version :p
00:22 < mnemoc> morfoh: then?
00:23 < mnemoc> morfoh: i think we can pronounce it menerva anyway ;)
00:23 < mnemoc> morfoh: but i have never listen etruscan
00:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack
00:23 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: which would be pointless for packages just linking to the .so when there's no interface change
00:23 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: score :)
00:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: and there is a olive oil here called "Minerva" ... dunno how the crap is protected by (tm)
00:25 < mnemoc> morfoh: different business... and afaik you can't register public domain names
00:25 < _Ragnar_> you can't?
00:25 < mnemoc> can you register 'sun' or 'moon'?
00:25 < _Ragnar_> if you can register the color pink or the 'T', you can
00:25 < mnemoc> uhm
00:25 < mnemoc> not here
00:26 < mnemoc> not even 'generics'
00:26 < _Ragnar_> good idea ;)
00:26 < mnemoc> you can register a corporative _logo_
00:26 < mnemoc> but not the word
00:29 < mnemoc> bbl
00:30 < morfoh> I'll go sleep
00:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: please push our 'thing' or i'll die
00:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I'm on it
00:31 < morfoh> good night ... cu tomorrow
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03:54 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11210 /trunk/package/mail/exim/exim.conf: * as-needed fix: linking to -ldb needs also -lpthread
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04:57 < CIA-9> amery * r11211 /branches/2.1/package/kde/qt/qt.conf: * merged 10282 from trunk: fixed qt to use it's default prefix even if it's not part of your config.
04:59 < CIA-9> amery * r11212 /branches/2.1/package/kde/kaffeine/kaffeine.desc: * merged 10884 from trunk: updated kaffeine (0.6 -> 0.7)
05:06 < CIA-9> amery * r11213 /branches/2.1/package/kde/ (19 files in 19 dirs): (log message trimmed)
05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793,10811 from trunk: updated arts (1.4.1 -> 1.4.2)
05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793 from trunk: updated kdegames (3.4.1 -> 3.4.2)
05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793 from trunk: updated kdebindings (3.4.1 -> 3.4.2)
05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793 from trunk: updated kdeaddons (3.4.1 -> 3.4.2)
05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793 from trunk: updated kdepim (3.4.1 -> 3.4.2)
05:06 < CIA-9> * merged 10793,10812 from trunk: updated kdevelop (3.2.1 -> 3.2.2)
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07:57 < rxr> re
08:19 < valentin> moin
08:22 < rxr> moin
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08:35 < morfoh> moin
08:37 < rxr> I will do three things today: start a gcc-4.0.1 build, start a powerpc64 build (if t2 installs on the G5 iMac) and prepare a index.html for http://www.t2-powered.net
08:37 < rxr> aside the other osx debugging cruft
08:38 < CIA-9> rene * r11214 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * updated imagemagick (6.2.4-1 -> 6.2.4-2)
08:38 < CIA-9> rene * r11215 /trunk/package/audio/sweep/sweep.desc: * updated sweep (0.8.3 -> 0.8.4)
08:39 < rxr> btw. as predicted gsmp was not down - I need to ask what - maybe the usual freebsd downtime or a uni router before that
08:43 < morfoh> good morning rxr :)
08:59 < morfoh> rxr: why do we patch away bsetroot in fluxbox ?
09:00 < rxr> because it is in blackbox
09:00 < morfoh> rxr: and if I don't have blackbox
09:00 < rxr> _b_setroot == blackbox set root
09:00 < _Ragnar_> what if I don't wanna install blackbox?
09:00 < rxr> then you can install it ,-)
09:00 < rxr> _Ragnar_: then you need to add more conditionals to the patch ...
09:01 < morfoh> rxr: uhm? so you propose just installing blackbox for bsetroot ?
09:01 < rxr> morfoh: ok - then make a seperate bsetroot package ...
09:01 < rxr> personally I find any blackbox clone superfluous anyway
09:02 < morfoh> rxr: is bsetroot available as standalone app ?
09:03 < rxr> don't think so
09:03 < rxr> use the blackbox one ...
09:03 < rxr> (as base for a package)))
09:03 < rxr> oje - new imagemagick does not build - damn ...
09:04 < _Ragnar_> I'd just conditionally patch fluxbox to use xsetroot if blackbox is not installed
09:04 < morfoh> if pkginstalled blackbox; then var_append patchfiles " " $confdir/no-bsetroot.diff
09:04 < rxr> or patch fluxbox to install and use fsetroot ,-)
09:04 < morfoh> fi
09:05 < _Ragnar_> or that :)
09:06 < morfoh> where do I find fsetroot ?
09:08 < rxr> morfoh: ehrm ...
09:09 < rxr> fluxbox includes bsetroot - I meant to patch it to rename that betroot copy ...
09:09 < rxr> into fsetroot
09:09 < morfoh> ah ok ... ic sorry
09:09 < rxr> The Linux binutils 2.16.91.0.3 is released
09:10 < morfoh> rxr: anyway ... before my first complain about bsetroot I haven't seen that the patch will just applied if blackbox is present ... so I've no problem with it atm
09:19 < _Ragnar_> nini folks
09:21 < morfoh> sleep well _Ragnar_
09:22 < _Ragnar_> thanks :)
09:30 < rxr> n8 _Ragnar_
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09:39 * rxr off to the national library - cu soon
09:39 < morfoh> cu+
09:39 < CIA-9> rene * r11216 /trunk/package/audio/sweep/sweep.conf: * fixed latest sweep to build
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10:39 < bfg> hi
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11:32 < rxr> re
11:42 < morfoh> wb rxr
11:43 * morfoh rebooting ... bbl
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12:03 < morfoh> re
12:22 < CIA-9> rene * r11217 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/no-ltdl-install.patch: * removed obsolete no-ltdl-install.patch from imagemagick
12:24 < rxr> hm - now I also get Re-running configuration:
12:24 < rxr> -> Creating configuration script.
12:24 < rxr> *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x10060e30 ***
12:24 < rxr> on my iBook
12:24 < rxr> must be a recent change in some config / dialog stuff ..
12:26 < morfoh> moving home ... cu later
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12:29 < CIA-9> rene * r11218 /trunk/package/graphic/inkscape/inkscape.desc: * updated inkscape (0.42 -> 0.42.2)
12:32 < CIA-9> rene * r11219 /trunk/package/base/man/man.desc: * updated man (1.6 -> 1.6a)
12:35 < CIA-9> rene * r11220 /trunk/package/base/file/file.desc: * updated file (4.13 -> 4.15)
12:35 < CIA-9> rene * r11221 /trunk/package/x11/icewm/icewm.desc: * updated icewm (1.2.22 -> 1.2.23)
12:36 < CIA-9> rene * r11222 /trunk/package/gnome2/bluefish/bluefish.desc: * updated bluefish (1.0.1 -> 1.0.3)
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13:29 < rxr> valentin: do you take gweis knetconfig patches ?
13:33 * rxr off again
13:56 < bfg> Hi, has anyone some docbook experience? some packages fail because they can't buid their docs with openjade. (maybe missing dtd's or similar files and missing tools)
14:02 < rxr> maybe you miss some other package in your build
14:02 < rxr> what do you build?
14:04 < CIA-9> rene * r11223 /trunk/package/graphic/gle-graphics/ (. gle-graphics.cache gle-graphics.conf gle-graphics.desc): * added gle-graphics (4.0.9)
14:04 < rxr> ^- finally ...
14:04 < rxr> but now off ...
14:19 < bfg> docbook: i build my own package-selection. about 950 packages (mostly development and desktop things)
14:33 < bfg> maybe the shortes descitpion is, it is a generic build, with a reduced package selection and some expert options changed
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15:01 < jsaw> bfg: a few examples on which packages fail due to docbook, please
15:14 < bfg> jsaw: linphone fails to build developer-docs, I added a package docbook-utils (which contains docbook2html or db2html and other tools from ftp://sources.redhat.com/pub/docbook-tools/ needed to build muttprint) but both (docbook-utils and muttprint) fail.
15:18 < jsaw> docbookx selected?
15:20 < bfg> yes
15:20 < bfg> but if i remember correcty linphone needs a docbook V3.0 dtd.
15:20 < bfg> which is not included in docbookx
15:20 < jsaw> oh, so package update needed...
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15:22 < bfg> which package to update?
15:22 < bfg> and the others also fail because of missing dtd's and missing dsssl
15:22 < jsaw> bfg: I can't see an immediate fix (I don't see any newer versions of docbook...)
15:23 < bfg> i think, we have to include also the older versions of docbookx
15:28 < jsaw> I have no idea....sorry
15:29 < bfg> i will have a look into older releases of docbook, maybe there are the missing files
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15:32 < morfoh> re hi
15:36 < rxr> re
15:36 < rxr> well - what a coincidency - the day I register at the main library in berlin my registration is lost in a computer breakdown ...
15:36 < rxr> haha ...
15:37 < morfoh> rxr: seems that computers don't like you ... hehe :)
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16:00 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | BT http://torrent.t2-project.org/
16:00 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Tue Aug 9 23:45:30 2005]
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16:00 [ _Lewellyn] [ bfg ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin]
16:00 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ CIA-9] [ menomc] [ nzg] [ SerWou ]
16:00 [ Baldzius ] [ dsoul] [ morfoh] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly|univ]
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16:08 * morfoh is taking a nap ... cu later
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16:39 < CIA-9> rene * r11224 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc: * updated knetconf (r272 -> r280)
16:59 < rxr> well - now the people I wrote the current ExactImage glue code for are happy ,-)
16:59 < rxr> with the code beeing over ten (!) times faster than equivalent image magick calls ... ,-)
16:59 < rxr> and no asm involved ...
17:00 < menomc> *yawn*
17:10 < rxr> moin menomc !
17:11 < rxr> your shuffled name is iritating
17:13 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc
17:14 < mnemoc> moin rxr
17:14 < rxr> ,-)
17:15 < rxr> well - /me soon of again - to grab the remaining (image processing) books @ the library (that lost my fresh morning registration in a computer crash ...
17:15 < mnemoc> mnemoc: for t2-powered, what do you thing it's better, a collective repository with authz or a repository per project?
17:16 < rxr> btw. though the library computers did not allow right click desktop to retrieve CPU info (I was wondering why this NT thingi was that slow) but allowed me to set the IE start page from msn s.th. to www.linux.org ...
17:16 < rxr> mnemoc: one per project
17:16 < rxr> mnemoc: please do you projects first - we need you healthy and payed by your clients ...
17:17 < rxr> e.g. I'll setup a info page today and can also later prepare the per project stuff - maybe in seperated xen domains or so ...
17:17 < mnemoc> rxr: :D
17:17 < rxr> I nearly set it to www.t2-project.org/startpage ...
17:18 < rxr> *grrr* another page that needs work - but I consider making t2-powered.net a startpage with latest news and such scrolling by ...
17:18 < rxr> so we could use that as browser and PR startpage
17:18 < mnemoc> rxr: can you create a mnemosyne svn for me? so i can start writting mnemosyne '0.2.x' there?
17:18 < mnemoc> rxr: sounds good
17:18 < rxr> what is trunk mnemosyne? 0.1 ?
17:19 < mnemoc> yes
17:19 < rxr> oh
17:19 < mnemoc> flagged as EXPERIMENTAL on 2.1
17:19 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - I can create it - maybe before I leave
17:20 < mnemoc> i was about to ask you to redirect svn.t2-powered.net and mnemosyne.t2-powered.net to my IP, but if you want to set it much better :)
17:21 < rxr> mnemoc: yep ack - i do si
17:22 < rxr> mnemoc: I wil also locally start building trunk with gcc-4.0.1 - if it does not go too bad I'll update there soon
17:22 < rxr> and then only stabelize for release of 2.2 in automn
17:22 < rxr> like linux world expo
17:23 < mnemoc> rxr: can you take a look into both gnome 2.10.2 troubles i had?
17:23 < rxr> with study starting soon and /me not able to earn much more money since taxes would explode then, ... I should have even more time for t2 the remaining time of the year
17:23 < rxr> mnemoc: oehm - are they in the trac ?
17:23 < mnemoc> yes
17:24 < rxr> ok - then I take a look - tomorrow or so ...
17:24 < rxr> for today too much is on my TODO ...
17:24 < rxr> (including cycling to the library for two more image proc. books ...)
17:24 < rxr> and I really really want to start a powerpc64 build on the iMac and the gcc-4.x build on my athlon ...
17:28 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/
17:29 < rxr> mnemoc: do you want to test commit before I leave ?
17:29 < mnemoc> minute
17:31 < rxr> I injected your t2 hash btw ...
17:31 < mnemoc> amery?
17:31 < rxr> ack
17:31 < mnemoc> uhm
17:32 < mnemoc> are the permissions ok?
17:33 < rxr> why do you ask =
17:33 < rxr> ? eve
17:33 < rxr> n
17:33 < rxr> ...
17:33 < mnemoc> because i cannot commit :)
17:34 < rxr> [Tue Aug 23 17:32:00 2005] [error] [client 200.75.27.13] user amery not found: /mnemosyne/!svn/act/1f38ab84-02ff-0310-9930-f7eebf87c888
17:34 < rxr> let me take a look
17:34 < rxr> please retry
17:35 < rxr> ah - no
17:35 < rxr> sec
17:36 < rxr> now
17:37 < mnemoc> :D
17:38 < rxr> hehe - ok
17:39 < rxr> so - me off collecing library books and dinner
17:39 < rxr> cu all then ...
17:39 < mnemoc> cu rxr, and thanks
17:41 < rxr> not for that ,-)
17:41 < rxr> have fun!
17:41 < mnemoc> you too :)
17:47 < rxr> rock-net was deleted from freshmeat (on my request)
17:47 < rxr> rock-plug migrated to hotplug++
17:49 < mnemoc> so 2.1 will be officialy based on deprecated software :(
18:00 < mnemoc> rxr: still here?
18:01 < mnemoc> rxr: svn: COPY of 0.1: 500 Internal Server Error (http://svn.exactcode.de) :p
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18:38 < mnemoc> rxr: i guess i can't svn cp between t2/trunk and mnemosyne/branches :)
19:00 < morfoh> re hi *yawn*
19:00 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
19:00 < morfoh> hey mnemoc :)
19:51 < valentin> hi all
20:16 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11225 /trunk/package/dictionary/aspell/aspell.conf:
20:16 < CIA-9> Gerhard Wiese:
20:16 < CIA-9> * aspell needs -lm
20:18 < morfoh> jsaw: do I have namesake here ... or have you done a mistake :)
20:19 < morfoh> hi valentin
20:19 < jsaw> *damn*
20:19 < jsaw> sorry :)
20:19 < morfoh> jsaw: hi btw :)
20:19 < jsaw> hi morfoh
20:19 < morfoh> jsaw: I don't have a problem with it ... :)
20:20 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11226 /trunk/package/database/bdb/bdb-conf.in: * link -lpthread to bdb, fixes exim, postfix etc...
20:20 < morfoh> .oO( so evil morfoh's brainwash system works on #t2 )o *g*
20:21 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11227 /trunk/package/mail/exim/exim.conf: * revert r11210 due to r11226
20:22 < jsaw> can somebody tell me why this crap libtool thinks, g++ is not a standard compiler.... *GRRRR*
20:24 < valentin> hi
20:24 < jsaw> hi valentin
20:25 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
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20:25 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: ?
20:28 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11228 /trunk/ (misc/share/PKG-FLAGS package/base/gcc/parse-config): * add "NO-AS-NEEDED" package flag
20:43 < rxr> re
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20:46 < rxr> TrackFS 0.0.4
20:46 < rxr> ^- is interesting - like strace AFAICR from the package desc
20:46 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/releases/204872/
20:46 < Baldzius> rxr: why /lib/pkgconfig isn't in PKG_CONFIG_PATH env?
20:47 < Baldzius> there are bunch of files inthere
20:47 < rxr> Baldzius: there should not
20:47 < Baldzius> i have 7 files
20:48 < Baldzius> and libxfce4util file
20:48 < Baldzius> i can't compile xfcedesktop
20:49 < Baldzius> i can move those files but this isn't good
20:50 < Baldzius> is problem me or not? :)
20:55 < rxr> Baldzius: your xfce is not in your package list
20:55 < rxr> I should fix Emerge to not allow Emerging unselected packages that result in no confinguration beeing available for those ...
20:56 < Baldzius> got it , thanks :)
20:56 < Baldzius> i really want to be able to install full system on minimal
20:57 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11229 /trunk/ (misc/tools-source/fl_wrapper.c.sh scripts/Build-Tools):
20:57 < CIA-9> * fl_wrapper: deny writing outside basedir in stages 0,1
20:57 < CIA-9> (except /dev/null and /tmp)
20:57 < Baldzius> if i use Emerge should i always use cfg option?
20:59 < rxr> Baldzius: run Config and select: Expert - then: Custom package selection: then add "X xfce4/*" as rule
21:00 < rxr> and then reemerge xfce stuff - best uninstall (mine -r) the installed xfce packages ...
21:00 < Baldzius> rxr i know, you told me that several days ago :)
21:00 < rxr> I fill a trac issue to not Emerge unselected packages ... ,-)
21:00 < Baldzius> that would be nice :)
21:00 < CIA-9> rene * r11230 /trunk/package/audio/sox/sox.desc: * updated sox (12.17.7 -> 12.17.8)
21:01 < Baldzius> so i guess i always have to use cfg option with Emerge-Pkg?
21:02 < rxr> morfoh: we need one or two more track components: either "build-system" or "scripts" and "source"
21:02 < rxr> I prefer the later
21:02 < rxr> Baldzius: do you mean -cfg or s.th. else ?
21:02 < Baldzius> yeah like Emerge-Pkg -cfg system package
21:02 < morfoh> rxr: please add an issue ... I've added a category for trac itself ;)
21:03 < Baldzius> now i just use Emerge-Pkg package
21:03 < morfoh> bbl ... back in some minutes ... have to buy some food for the "rat"
21:07 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - you can not copy between repositories ...
21:12 < rxr> hm - they sent my new laptop out today - let's see if I get it tomorrow ...
21:22 < rxr> hm - the iMac doesn't like to boot from the latest t2 cd ... - damn
21:24 < _Ragnar_> O_O
21:25 < rxr> it boots fine on iBooks ...
21:44 < mnemoc> re
21:44 < mnemoc> does 11229 work? :)
21:45 < rxr> http://www.t2-powered.net/index.html
21:46 < jsaw> mnemoc: I check indirectly, the first implementation didn't ignore /dev/null and /tmp, then the fl_wrapper exited es expected
21:46 < rxr> mnemoc: I think so - but we should mirgrate away from fl_wrapper
21:46 < mnemoc> sounds very promising :)
21:46 < rxr> because we have static depmod now - and 3rd party module packages often get that wrong
21:47 < rxr> also embedded targets with a lot of static does not work with those ...
21:48 < rxr> maybe just migrate fl_wrapper to not use LD_PRELOAD but the strace stuff like strace and this new TrackFS
21:48 < mnemoc> this new TrackFS? fuse?
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21:49 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/releases/204872/
21:49 < rxr> ^- trackfs
21:49 < rxr> I do not mean fuse
21:49 < rxr> fuse would not help us AFAICS
21:49 < rxr> but strace based interception would be perfect
21:49 < rxr> s.th. like a lightweight strace just for our purpose
21:50 < _Ragnar_> strace doesn't always work tho
21:50 < rxr> it might be 1% slower than LD_PRELOAD but way more reliable (that is for static binaries)
21:50 < rxr> _Ragnar_: tell me more ,-)
21:50 < Shingo--> re
21:50 < _Ragnar_> why don't we use selinux in permissive mode?
21:51 < mnemoc> o.O
21:52 < _Ragnar_> (if we want file accesses)
21:52 < mnemoc> trackfs: tracks file system changes ..... what about deps?
21:52 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not want trackfs
21:53 < rxr> it was just an example and reminder
21:53 < mnemoc> :)
21:53 < _Ragnar_> fuse could help, too, tho
21:53 < rxr> we intercept read exec write and so on just like with LD_PRELOAD - but on system call level
21:53 < rxr> _Ragnar_: but only if build every package into another overlay
21:53 < _Ragnar_> just write a plugin that just logs the accesses and streams all the IO to a different filesys
21:53 < _Ragnar_> why?
21:53 < rxr> and it would not be useful for in-system builds to retrieve execution and such ...
21:54 < rxr> _Ragnar_: how to you want to get in-system reads, execs, and so on with fuse?
21:54 < _Ragnar_> huh?
21:54 < rxr> and how track write for in-system - except installing into $some_fuse_mountpoint
21:54 < _Ragnar_> execution depends on a read
21:54 < rxr> _Ragnar_: how do you want to use fuse to get read of my / reiserfs ?
21:55 < _Ragnar_> you misunderstand ... fuse is just a user level filesystem interface ... in the user level part you can just read/write/open/close a file in the 'normal' /
21:56 < _Ragnar_> same as you can use fuse to read/write into a tar archive
21:57 < rxr> ok - even if you hack around with fuse for this - you would have problems with two in-system Builds (for example) - you have on / fuse mount and two builds
21:58 < _Ragnar_> huh?
21:58 < rxr> and even if you hack up that to work (via process tree parsing or so) you are heavily depending on a linux only feature - extending tracing mechanisms of the fl_wrapper to ptrace() allows extending to simillar methos on BSDs or OSuX ..
21:58 < rxr> and does cause less dependencies on the linux kerenl T2 is built on ...
21:58 < _Ragnar_> okay you got a point there, tho bsd so also have some user level filesys afaik
21:59 < rxr> _Ragnar_: Maybe I do not understand your fuse use idea completely ... though ...
22:00 < _Ragnar_> yea problem with ptrace is that it just doesn't always seems to work (bug in strace maybe?)
22:00 < rxr> _Ragnar_: did not had such issues - is that official ?
22:00 < _Ragnar_> it's not totally transparent to the app. either it seems ... I've had a program run into an endless wait only when running with strace
22:01 < rxr> well - ok I think ssh has a trace protection at least ,-)
22:01 < _Ragnar_> official?
22:01 < _Ragnar_> it was reproducible at least
22:02 < rxr> well - at least I saw a strange behaviour when I straced it yesterday or so ...
22:02 < rxr> though this might be due to the other end beeing frozen anyway ...
22:06 < _Ragnar_> hmmmm
22:16 < CIA-9> rene * r11231 /trunk/package/base/binutils/ld-glob.patch:
22:16 < CIA-9> * fixed one integer type in the binutils/ld-glob.patch for a likely
22:16 < CIA-9> update to the latest binutils package, which is built with -Werror
22:16 < CIA-9> and thus breaks due that type mismatch
22:18 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_ offered to fix uclibc to support ld globbing last year :p
22:18 < _Ragnar_> uhm *whistles innocently*
22:19 < rxr> http://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/81
22:22 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11232 /trunk/misc/share/PKG-FLAGS: * hmm, \t needed instead of spaces
22:22 < mnemoc> jsaw: \s+ ?
22:22 < jsaw> ?
22:23 < mnemoc> on the parser :)
22:23 < jsaw> no idea where PKG-FLAGS is parsed...
22:26 < rxr> oh - someone tweaked the UU build ID further ic ...
22:28 < morfoh> re
22:31 < rxr> rehi morfoh
22:31 < rxr> morfoh: can I add the trac categories myself?
22:31 < rxr> or can you quickly or so ...
22:31 < rxr> just not to open a trac issue just for that ... ,-)
22:31 < morfoh> hi rxr ... what do want to add to trac again ?
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22:35 < rxr> morfoh: eiether a "build-system" category or "scripts" and "source"
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22:37 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
22:37 < morfoh> rxr: what is your intention ?
22:37 < morfoh> hi mnemoc :)
22:37 < rxr> have a category for build-system bugs - such as Emerge
22:38 < rxr> Component even
22:38 < morfoh> rxr: ah! you mean in "Component"
22:38 < morfoh> :)
22:38 < morfoh> ok! mom
22:38 < morfoh> rxr: what do you prefer ?
22:38 < mnemoc> Component: SDE Component ?
22:39 < mnemoc> Component: SDE Tools ?
22:39 < rxr> not SDE - too long
22:39 < rxr> either "build-system" or "scripts" _and_ "source"
22:39 < rxr> maybe build-sytem is enough (for now)=
22:40 < morfoh> ok ... then let us choose build-system
22:42 < morfoh> et voila ... added
22:49 < rxr> nitpicking: could you remove the s from architectures packages and targets?
22:49 < rxr> usually bugs are assigned against a single of those ... ,-)
22:50 < rxr> == 22:44:59 =[0]=> Building base/gcc [4.0.1 2.2.0-alpha].
22:55 < morfoh> rxr: changes done
22:57 < rxr> thanks
22:58 < morfoh> rxr: you're welcome my dear pedantic project master :p
22:58 * morfoh hides
23:11 < rxr> hm - gcc 4.0.1 fails - damn
23:11 < rxr> I'm sure it build some tiem ago ...
23:11 < rxr> too bad I wiped the needed changes
23:11 < rxr> I think I contineu tomorrow
23:11 < rxr> need sleep - n8 all
23:12 < morfoh> good night rxr ... sleep well
23:13 < rxr> n8 all
23:15 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
23:58 < _Ragnar_> re
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