--- Log opened Sat Aug 20 00:00:00 2005
00:32 < CIA-9> amery * r11148 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.pl: * changed mnemosyne.pl to keep a list of children instead of just subfolders for each folder on pkgsel dir
00:34 < mnemoc> jeru!!!!
00:35 < mnemoc> rxr: can you give me www3.t2-project.org? :)
00:37 < jsaw> www3 ???
00:37 < mnemoc> jeru has content on www2
00:38 < mnemoc> but he has no time to finish that service
00:38 < mnemoc> i have the service running and set
00:38 < mnemoc> but with ugly name.... http://www3.conosurseguros.cl/t2/
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00:48 < CIA-9> amery * r11149 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/pygtk/pygtk.desc: * merged 9748 from trunk: updated pygtk (2.6.1 -> 2.6.2)
00:50 < jsaw> how nice, linux26 update breaks slmodem...
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00:51 < mnemoc> :(
00:53 < Shingo--> hi
00:53 < Shingo--> is this wrong? 
00:53 < Shingo--> [A] Skype Technologies SA http://www.skype.com/feedback/contact/
00:53 < mnemoc> a mail address between <..> is expected
00:53 < mnemoc> url can go between  {...}
00:54 < mnemoc> and skype sucks :)
00:55 < Shingo--> You don't like it?
00:58 < Shingo--> I'm don't like it so much, but I have some clients using it. then I like it always around. :) 
01:00 < mnemoc> for clients i have msn :)
01:10 < CIA-9> amery * r11150 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/gtkmm/ (gtkmm.conf gtkmm.desc): 
01:10 < CIA-9> * merged 9842,10844 from trunk: updated gtkmm (2.6.2 -> 2.6.4)
01:10 < CIA-9> * merged 10228 from trunk: changed gtkmm to not build examples and demos
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01:25 < _Ragnar_> rxr: you wrote gsmp ?:)
01:26 < _Ragnar_> rxr: what is this supposed to do: text . push_back (itos ( i - m_project -> BeginLayer () ) );
01:26 < mnemoc> o_O
01:27 < _Ragnar_> (this breaks on x86_64)
01:28 < jsaw> itos is most probably integer-to-string
01:29 < _Ragnar_> yea .. i is an iterator tho
01:29 < jsaw> it should, yes
01:29 < _Ragnar_> starting from m_project -> BeginLayer and going through i++
01:29 < jsaw> what's the error message?
01:30 < _Ragnar_> LayerHistoryDialog.cc:134: error: call of overloaded `itos(ptrdiff_t)' is ambiguous
01:30 < _Ragnar_> ../../../GSML/include/Basics.hh:141: note: candidates are: std::string GSML::itos(const int&)
01:30 < _Ragnar_> ../../../GSML/include/Basics.hh:142: note:                 std::string GSML::itos(const unsigned int&)
01:30 < mnemoc> ptrdiff_t?
01:31 < jsaw> ptrdiff_t is probably long...
01:31 < jsaw> int ( i - m_project -> BeginLayer () )
01:31 < jsaw> should solve the problem
01:32 < _Ragnar_> yea
01:35 < CIA-9> ragnar * r11151 /trunk/package/gnome2/evolution/evolution.conf: * evolution needs to find openldap in lib64 on x86_64
01:36 < CIA-9> ragnar * r11152 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgda/libgda.conf: * libgda needs to find openldap and postgresql in lib64 on x86_64
01:38 < keinek> live cd target is working?
01:38 < keinek> i will test that in the stable trunk.
01:38 < mnemoc> no livecd on 2.1
01:38 < keinek> why no?
01:38 < keinek> i just copy the target to the stable.
01:38 < keinek> is a test.
01:38 < mnemoc> it wont work
01:39 < keinek> you mean that dont work?
01:39 < keinek> why?
01:39 < mnemoc> because it relay on features which won't ever be on 2.1
01:39 < keinek> we need live cd in the stable 
01:39 < mnemoc> make one
01:40 < mnemoc> but livecd from 2.1 wont work
01:40 < keinek> yes... i wana make one.
01:40 < keinek> but i like to see how work this.
01:40 < mnemoc> you can use it as reference
01:40 < keinek> why no?
01:40 < mnemoc> but you can't simply port it
01:40 < mnemoc> 2.1 is devfs and livecd u/dev
01:40 < keinek> ok
01:43 < CIA-9> ragnar * r11153 /trunk/package/gnome14/gnome-print10/gnome-print10.conf: * gnome-print14 needs to be force-fed libxml2 and libz. Also removes stupid (malfunctioning) version check.
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02:54 < mnemoc> jeru!!!
03:06 < CIA-9> ragnar * r11154 /trunk/package/multimedia/klear/klear.conf: * yes, klear also needs lib64 instead of lib for 64 bit systems
03:10 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: does clear _install_ things to you?
03:13 < _Ragnar_> ?
03:13 < _Ragnar_> oooh O_O
03:14 < mnemoc> does?
03:14 < mnemoc> http://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/46
03:15 < _Ragnar_> it doesn't yea
03:15 < _Ragnar_> O_O
03:15 < mnemoc> :)
03:21 < _Ragnar_> :D
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03:39 < sparc-kly> hi
03:41 < Shingo--> with libstdc++-v3 can I get libstdc++.so.5 installed in system?
03:41 < Shingo--> sparc-kly: hi
03:41 < _Ragnar_> Shingo--: yes
03:43 < Shingo--> _Ragnar_: thks, but the download failed. can you check for me please?
03:43 < Shingo--> _Ragnar_: can't connect on host.
03:44 < _Ragnar_> which host?
03:45 < mnemoc> Shingo--: use one of my mirrors
03:45 < Shingo--> from package libstdc++-v3 ftp://gcc.gnu.org/pub/gcc/releases/gcc-3.3.5/ my mirror is http://nzg.geeks.cl/t2-source/2.2
03:45 < mnemoc> Shingo--: slow but complete
03:46 < Shingo--> skype sucks need it that.
03:46 < Shingo--> my mirror is ok?
03:46 < mnemoc> Shingo--: on download/Mirror replace nzg's with t2.geeks.cl/mirror/2.2.0-alpha
03:49 < Shingo--> still does not work. :(
03:49 < Shingo--> maybe is a problem here?
03:49 < Shingo--> the same errors
03:51 < mnemoc> can you paste me the whole error
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04:43 < jsaw> mnemoc: awake?
04:45 < mnemoc> jsaw: yes
04:45 < mnemoc> jsaw: i just replied
04:45 < jsaw> oh, haven't got it yet...
04:47 < mnemoc> no?
04:47 < jsaw> my mail server only checks every 10 or 15mins or so (POP...)
04:47 < mnemoc> :(
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05:19 [Users #t2]
05:19 [@vilkacis ] [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw  ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou   ] [ valentin] 
05:19 [ [Kosh]   ] [ CIA-9   ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ Shingo-- ] 
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05:44 < jsaw> gotta go, cu 
05:44 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 
06:00 < CIA-9> amery * r11155 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.pl: * improved mnemosyne's mnemosyne.pl to generate ui file
06:06 < Shingo--> mnemoc: I found the error. gentoo sucks. :) 
06:06 < Shingo--> not really a gentoo problem, but there :)
06:07 < mnemoc> ?
06:07 < Shingo--> mnemoc: T2 supports me to change the target in my config default? 
06:07 < Shingo--> mnemoc: the download problem.
06:08 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Config -> Target :)
06:08 < mnemoc> what was the download problem?
06:12 < mnemoc> Shingo--: 
06:12 < mnemoc> Shingo--: what caused the failure connecting hosts?
06:13 < Shingo--> I cannot connect to host. to download gcc. you send me a new mirror, remember?
06:13 < Shingo--> yes.
06:13 < mnemoc> yes, but what was the problem
06:14 < Shingo--> our server use gentoo, before I had used http-replicator with proxy to portage...
06:14 < mnemoc> :)
06:14 < Shingo--> now in T2 I'm still using the proxy.
06:15 < Shingo--> the download always goes super-ultra-fast :)
06:17 < Shingo--> but, there's a crazy problem with daemon, when it starts in boot the daemon dies after start.
06:17 < mnemoc> started before network is set?
06:17 < Shingo--> I have to start the daemon manually to work. :(
06:18 < Shingo--> nope, ;)
06:19 < mnemoc> anyway... i'm going to sleep now
06:21 < Shingo--> mnemoc: ok, sleep weel. :)
06:22 < mnemoc> good luck with your build
06:22 < mnemoc> gn8
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09:03 < minto> morning
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10:09 < Shingo--> minto: hi
10:11 < Shingo--> minto: do you know, how can I make a [DEP] "manual". Ex.
10:11 < Shingo--> skype need libstdc++-v3 to work, what is the right way to instruct the package for that?
10:21 < valentin> moin
10:23 < valentin> anyone here who knows the guy with that email: steve at itsage dot com ?
10:27 < _Ragnar_> nini folks
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10:49 < Shingo--> can anyone help with the question?
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11:08 < rxr_> re
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11:17 < rxr> mnemoc: windows xp continous to install on the 233Mhz 96MB RAM box ...
11:33 < rxr> Open Patch: 2005081818184620576 [by fake]
11:33 < rxr>  
11:33 < rxr>  fake:
11:33 < rxr>          update gcc34 to 3.4.4, adopt patches
11:33 < rxr>          disable stack protector, no version for 3.4.4 yet
11:33 < rxr> ^- ...
11:34 < rxr> of course I patched the SPP - the only problem with 3.4.4 was that it miscompiled the linux kernel ...
11:37 < Shingo--> rxr: hi, if [DEP] is automatic, how to manually set [DEP] to a package when T2 don't detects the [DEP]?
11:38 < Shingo--> moin. :)
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11:58 < rxr> Shingo--: you mean for a package with a binary that just copies files?
11:58 < rxr> in the .desc: a line with:
11:58 < Shingo--> that's it
11:59 < rxr> [E] the-deps
11:59 < rxr> e for [DEPS]
12:00 < Shingo--> but mnemoc told me this just only exists for reference actually don't works
12:00 < rxr> oehm - it works AFAICS
12:01 < Shingo--> but I agree, why I had used this option and really don't work.
12:01 < rxr> the new deps have not been in the .cache file or what ?
12:03 < Shingo--> well, I think .cache file is only generated.
12:03 < rxr> the .cache is generated during package build - the DEPS detected from the sandbox
12:03 < rxr> and the [E] flags merged in
12:04 < rxr> if there is a bug I'll fix it ...
12:04 < Shingo--> ok. let me see, what happens.
12:05 < Shingo--> I really was think strange not use manual [DEP].
12:09 < rxr> http://haikudev.blogspot.com/2005/08/threatening-mail-by-yellowtab.html
12:09 < rxr> hm
12:14 < Shingo--> rxr: I think the bug really exists. :(
12:14 < Shingo--> the tag [E] don't works
12:15 < Shingo--> the cache file don't have dep.
12:16 < rxr> try [E] add the-deps
12:16 < rxr>                 # merge the dependencies defined by the package
12:16 < rxr>                 for x in `echo "$desc_E" | egrep '^add ' | sed 's/^add //' ` ; do
12:16 < rxr>                         echo "Adding dependency: $x ..."
12:16 < rxr>                         echo "$xpkg: $x" >> $builddir/dependencies.txt
12:16 < rxr>                 done
12:18 < Shingo--> heheh
12:18 < Shingo--> I had found this code too. :)
12:20 < Shingo--> but it's a bug right? in manual tell any format works,
12:20 < Shingo--> [E] add deps
12:20 < Shingo--> or
12:20 < Shingo--> [E] deps
12:22 < Shingo--> $desc_E, contains all dependencies tags?
12:22 < Shingo--> now works :)
12:23 < rxr> I think I rather fix the documentation - since it is not too easy to implement it with the shell code (to default to add)
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12:50 < morfoh> moin
12:51 < rxr> hi morfoh 
12:55 < morfoh> hi rxr .... .oO( me still having the bad cold ... seems it won't go away ) :/
12:55 < rxr> ok - 0.003 seconds to count the dark pixels from a tiff image ... good enough fine tuning I would say
12:55 < rxr> morfoh: .oO
12:57 < morfoh> yesterday I thought that my head will explode ... arrrrghhhhhh .... I hate it ...
12:57 < rxr> what have you done in the netherlands getting that ill ?
12:58 < rxr> I need a new cupboard for scanners ...
12:59 < valentin> re
12:59 < valentin> hi rxr
12:59 < rxr> hey valentin 
13:00 < morfoh> rxr: I don't know ... I think it was caused by the steady changing weather, car air condition and excessive sleep reduction ... 
13:00 < valentin> using the imac's keyboard to type on my ibook
13:00 < morfoh> hey valentin 
13:00 < valentin> hi jeru
13:00 < morfoh> haha
13:00 < rxr> valentin: the keyboard is cheap - I think 29EUR if you like to get one permanently
13:00 < morfoh> valentin: jeru is dead :p
13:00 < valentin> rxr: a good cherry keyboard has a better handling
13:01 < valentin> the keyboard looks cool. but the keys are a bit "labberig"
13:01 < valentin> typingh 
13:01 < valentin> typing fast is not too easy with it imo
13:01 < valentin> but maybe i'm just not used to it
13:02 < rxr> http://apple.gravis.de/webstore/Tastaturen/Apple/Apple-Tastatur-weiss-USBdeutsch_2001826.html
13:02 < rxr> 28.99EUR
13:02 < rxr> http://apple.gravis.de/webstore/Maus-Trackball/Apple/Apple-Mighty-Mouse-weissUSB-2-Mehrtasten-Maus_2003863.html
13:02 < rxr> ^- the new apple mighty mouse with this trackball scroll thingy
13:03 < valentin> i wonder how that keyboard will look like after one year of usage
13:03  * rxr too
13:03 < morfoh> btw, did anyone here recognized that we've quite nice weather outside in berlin ? so why the hell these damn geeks are sitting in front of a keyboard ? :)
13:04 < rxr> morfoh: maybe because contract work has to go out of the mailbox ?
13:04 < morfoh> .oO( but perhaps nerdish by nature )o
13:05 < morfoh> rxr: I know ... 
13:05 < morfoh> rxr: just joking
13:05 < rxr> also I would need to check my Apple Dashboard's weather widget if it is nice weather outside ...
13:06 < valentin> the transparent mouse thing looks quite greasy after two days of use
13:06 < morfoh> rxr: perhaps we should reschedule the proposed dinner and preparing a bbq instead :)
13:06 < rxr> heh
13:06 < rxr> e
13:09 < valentin> morfoh: you want to invite us for bbq ? :P
13:10 < valentin> well, have work to be done too
13:11 < morfoh> valentin: yep ... we could meet for a bbq in a park perhaps 
13:12 < morfoh> valentin: it would be nice to relax a bit on a nice summer night without IRC ... but instead with some nice food and drinks :)
13:17 < valentin> in the evenings i have to "relax" janna first :)
13:19 < morfoh> valentin: of course little Janna is invited too ... and I could organize a "professional" baby sitter too, that papa can enjoy the bbq :)
13:25 < valentin> i guess that babysitter will not nurse her. nah, she has to stay with her mother
13:27 < morfoh> valentin: oh! oh! so bring Janna + mother with you :)
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13:30 < minto> hi folks
13:30 < valentin> i do not think kerstin wants to go, we had visitors during the whole week :/
13:30 < valentin> so you want to invite us ? where and when ?
13:31 < minto> party?
13:31 < rxr> valentin: is morfoh even talking about today? with his cold holding on ?
13:31 < morfoh> valentin: no real plan yet .... it depends how it will fit into our overall schedule
13:31 < morfoh> rxr: nope
13:31 < morfoh> hey minto :)
13:32 < rxr> hi minto 
13:32 < valentin> hi minto
13:32 < minto> hi "never fixing quagga" morfoh
13:32 < minto> hi rxr and valentin
13:32 < morfoh> rxr: that wouldn't be very funny
13:33 < morfoh> minto: hello ... "never stop complaining" minto 
13:33 < minto> :D
13:33 < morfoh> :D
13:34 < morfoh> minto: I'll not fix quagga as long as the oranje boys will increase the speed limit on their freeways :)
13:35 < minto> :( then you will never fix it, these guys you talk about want to lower it even further :(
13:35 < rxr> ?
13:35 < minto> morfoh: how was the wedding and Paris
13:36 < morfoh> minto: much stress ... and we decided not to go to paris
13:36 < rxr> we ?
13:36 < morfoh> minto: and I came back with a cold
13:36 < rxr> wedding ?
13:36 < minto> he he, glad you didn't stop over in Amsterdam :)
13:36 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I was there on a cameroonian/belgium wedding with my friend + his family
13:37 < morfoh> minto: I think visiting Amserdam couldn't be that stressy :)
13:40 < minto> Noisy is building again (since this morning):
13:40 < minto> desktop-32-pmmx:  677 builds total, 588 completed fine, 4 with errors.
13:40 < morfoh> minto: I know ... the next time I'll be in that area of europe I'll come to Amsterdam ... visiting a "never stop complaining" guy there :)
13:40 < minto> Hi will welcome the "never fixing" guy :)
13:41 < morfoh> pfff ... :D
13:41 < minto> hi = I
13:41 < morfoh> minto: fixing it yourself :p
13:42  * morfoh hides ... police is angry now 
13:42 < minto> :) .desc [P] X  --> [P] O
13:42 < minto> done
13:42 < morfoh> minto: pffff ... I meant fixing 
13:43 < minto> It fixes the build :)
13:44 < minto> I though you forgot to check in some .init file? On update quagga package only has .desc and .conf.
13:44 < morfoh> minto: could it be that you'rve worked too much for the paper-shuffler's ? :p
13:45 < minto> mmm mmm, yepp. I shuffle paper too. I move then from the left side of the desk to the right side.
13:46 < minto> And the next day I move the back :D
13:46 < morfoh> minto: but it's nice for the statistics .... you're moving quite a lot of paper :D
13:48 < minto> morfoh: Statistics is all that counts
13:49 < morfoh> minto: no doubt ;)
13:49 < minto> With statistics you will know the exact day you die.
13:52 < valentin> i'll take a shower now
14:04  * morfoh is updating linux26 and linux-header to recent version
14:07 < minto> morfoh: If you want fast build times feel free to (ab)use noisy :)
14:08 < valentin> morfoh: there will be thunderstorms in the evening, so nothing with bbq
14:08 < rxr> btw. I got a letter from the univeristy that I'll study Media Informatik from the next semester on ...
14:09 < valentin> tomorow there will be clear sky according to weather prediction
14:09  * rxr getting s.th. for lunch
14:10 < morfoh> minto: thanks ... I'll try to screw up noisy as quick as possible :)
14:10 < minto> I am already trying to screw it. I have two concurrent builds :D
14:10 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/63018
14:11 < rxr> ^- quake III source available now
14:11 < morfoh> valentin: regarding the bbq, my intention was to do it next weekend if weather is acceptable
14:11 < rxr> ftp://ftp.idsoftware.com/idstuff/source/quake3-1.32b-source.zip
14:11 < rxr> The server refuses login.
14:11 < rxr> :-(
14:12 < morfoh> is anybody  using software suspend ?
14:12 < rxr> morfoh: nope - not me
14:12 < rxr> what is this package actually doing ?
14:12  * rxr soon back with stuff for lunch
14:12 < minto> Looking in my crystal ball I see someone adding a quake package to t2 in the near future.
14:12 < CIA-9> chris * r11156 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.12.4 -> 2.6.12.5)
14:13 < CIA-9> chris * r11157 /trunk/package/base/linux-header/linux-header.desc: * updated linux-header (2.6.12.4 -> 2.6.12.5)
14:13 < morfoh> rxr: perhaps it's sth. like suspend to disk or so ... dunno exactly
14:17 < Shingo--> rxr: the messages to me is "too many users" try later.
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14:24 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5229893519&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=
14:24 < rxr> ^- getting a bit too expensive
14:28 < morfoh> rxr: so you intended to buy an Alpha ?
14:53 < rxr> the T2 test farm, yep
14:54 < valentin> re
14:54 < valentin> morfoh: ok, BBQ next weekend. and BYOB (bring your own brandy)
14:55 < valentin> morfoh: do you know a nice location 
14:57 < CIA-9> rene * r11158 /trunk/package/network/lighttpd/lighttpd.desc: * updated lighttpd (1.3.16 -> 1.4.0)
15:12 < morfoh> valentin: yes ... i.e. monbijou park near Oraninburger Str. (Mitte)
15:14 < morfoh> .oO( seems that lighttpd has found a new friend at t2 )o :)
15:22 < morfoh> ok ... have to buy some food for the weekend ... bbl
15:23 < rxr> morfoh: nope only updates scrolling by ...
15:24 < morfoh> rxr: ok :)
15:24 < morfoh> rxr: but anyway it's a nice, small and fast httpd with PHP support 
15:25 < morfoh> cu later 
15:26 < rxr> php what ? *g*
15:26 < rxr> cu
15:27 < valentin> rxr: according to a comment on heise, the QIII code compiles out of the box in XCode. I could try on the iMac :)
15:31 < valentin> morfoh: is it legal to do bbq there without getting a license ?
15:48 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/63021
15:49 < valentin> once again street war outside !
15:49 < valentin> the nazis were marching again
15:49 < valentin> and now there is much shouting and exploding fireworks outside
15:51 < valentin> and i hear riot police
15:51 < valentin> i wanted to do a walk with janna after lunch :(
15:57 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/quake3-1.32b-source.zip
16:26 < valentin> rxr: size ?
16:27 < valentin> compile time ? *g*
16:28 < rxr> doesn't bootstrap on my athlon
16:33 < valentin> well, your iMac is bored...
16:33 < valentin> is the xcode project in the zip file ?
16:35 < rxr> yes
16:35 < rxr> looks so
16:35 < valentin> i think the level data etc is missing, so you still need a valid Q3 copy
16:36 < rxr> I have one
16:37 < rxr> metal box linux edition ...
16:40 < valentin> i know
16:50 < valentin> hm, i wonder if there are some presets to force 32 bit code generation
16:52 < valentin> 48 warnings and no error
16:54 < valentin> even starts up, but i have no installed data files
16:55 < rxr> aren't you suppost to debug scanner drivers when your girl leaves you a free minute ?
16:56 < valentin> hmpf...
16:56 < rxr> just joking
16:56 < valentin> well i can't play anyway atm
16:56 < valentin> and i do not feel like playing ego shooters now
16:56 < rxr> you could hack up a t2 package if you have so much fine building id code ...
16:57 < rxr> or you could port the 3d engine as new Config system to t2 ...
16:57 < rxr> 3d Config (tm)
16:57 < valentin> is the code from the linux version on that archive ?
16:57 < rxr> yep
16:57 < rxr> build via some ugly Construct junk 
16:57 < valentin> rxr: walking through the hall of your target and shoot down build error daemons...
16:58 < rxr> s.th. like that
16:58  * rxr can't wait to shoot all the gnome foots ...
16:59 < valentin> rxr: any idea yet where those 610 problems come from  ?
16:59 < rxr> I hack up this archivista code ...
17:43 < mnemoc> rxr: did xp run there
17:45 < mnemoc> (moin!)
17:45 < rxr> moin
17:45 < rxr> well - go thru the install
17:45 < rxr> I just entered the static ip config and now it is crunching again
17:46 < mnemoc> uhm
17:46 < rxr> did not care about that box - had to code ...
17:47 < rxr> well - usual window background is on the screen now ..
17:48 < mnemoc> uhm, i got a patch for iptraf by personal mail .oO
17:48 < rxr> ?
17:49 < mnemoc> any idea who Aldas Nabazas <baldzius@gmail.com>  is?
17:49 < rxr> nope
17:50 < mnemoc> is iptraf broken on trunk?
17:53 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea
17:53 < rxr> mnemoc: windows xp runs on the box
17:53 < rxr> though not that fast ...
17:53 < mnemoc> looks like a linux-header sanitization.... i'll forward it to ML
17:53 < rxr> no installer ting complained about 233 or 96MB or RAM
17:53 < rxr> (or 4GB or so of aging IDE disk)
17:55 < valentin> btw rxr: parts of Q3 are cpp code
17:56 < mnemoc> and the rest?
17:56 < valentin> C
17:56 < mnemoc> uff
17:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: ping
18:12 < valentin> cu later
18:12 < mnemoc> cu valentin 
18:39 < mnemoc> jsaw: replied
18:40 < mnemoc> morfoh: ping
18:40 < mnemoc> morfoh: ping
18:40 < mnemoc> morfoh: ping
19:02 < CIA-9> amery * r11159 /trunk/package/security/vserver/ (vserver.conf vserver.desc): * added fix02 to vserver's util-vserver
19:09 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: on zlib you forgot to change [V]
19:10 < CIA-9> amery * r11160 /trunk/package/archiver/zlib/zlib.desc: * fixed zlib's [V] to match the version of the [D] (1.2.3)
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19:17 < valentin> re
19:18 < rxr> if smooth means slow - winxp runs smooth on this box ...
19:19 < mnemoc> :)
19:19 < mnemoc> but runs
19:20 < mnemoc> or walks...
19:20 < valentin> anybody read jsaw's lua mail ?
19:20 < mnemoc> i
19:21 < valentin> as i understood him, he proposes to port the build system to lua
19:23 < mnemoc> we can't port it all.... we relay on easy usage of env variables
19:24 < valentin> ojh proposed a system for build and install config
19:24 < mnemoc> i like lua, for that.  stone, 'mine' scripts/Config...
19:25 < mnemoc> but turning the whole thing into lua DBs is violent
19:26 < valentin> yeah, the main problem is doing a "smooth" migration.
19:26 < valentin> we cannot rewrite whole parts of the system ad hoc
19:27 < mnemoc> we could generate .desc from .desc.lua on the fly...
19:27 < mnemoc> but the rest... uhm... i guess not
19:27 < mnemoc> T2 3.x :)
19:27 < valentin> i do not feel like changing the desc format to something like native lua records
19:27 < rxr> mnemoc: is there no image "example imageing" application in XP ?
19:27 < rxr> no - the .desc must stay the same for some more time to come
19:28  * mnemoc wonders about lua for TAIL
19:30 < mnemoc> we could move helpers and new features to a new language, but we can't change the core imho
19:31 < rxr> well - later on we could change the core
19:32 < rxr> but most probalby this would mean migrating all the .conf files
19:32 < mnemoc> i think our strengt is on sh based build-cycle
19:33 < valentin> we could also invent our own script language that allows for structured programming, but features environmental modifications and good interaction with executed subprocesses *hide*
19:33 < mnemoc> o.o
19:35 < mnemoc> in that case extending one, like lua, can be better.
19:44 < rxr> valentin: the 610cu adf does work
19:45 < rxr> I tested under xp and there it grrrrrrrrrrrrrr and paper jammed too
19:45 < rxr> I then pressed a paper thru it and since then it works - under xp and my i/o core ...
19:45 < rxr> damn el-cheap-o hardware ...
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19:57 < rxr> valentin: 610cu works under mac
19:57 < rxr> the only problem is the usb stack freaking out often - before our driver sees the scanner
19:57 < rxr> I guess we need to push this to apple - since we can do nothing about that ...
19:57 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: ooops O_O sorry
19:57  * rxr evening dinner - cu alll
19:57 < _Ragnar_> have a good dinner rene
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20:07 < minto> hi folks
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20:27 < baldzius> moin :)
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21:07 < valentin> re
21:08 < valentin> rxr: falk will be in berlin next friday
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21:50 < rxr> oh
21:51 < mnemoc> is that bad?
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21:57 < rxr> mnemoc: no ,-)
21:57 < mnemoc> :)
21:57 < rxr> good night all  - cu soon
21:57 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
21:58 < Baldzius> mnemoc, did you get my email?
21:58 < mnemoc> Baldzius: iptraf?
21:58 < Baldzius> yeah :)
21:59 < Baldzius> it doesn't compile
21:59 < Baldzius> at least for me
21:59 < mnemoc> what tree?
21:59 < Baldzius> without that patch i mean
21:59 < Baldzius> 2.2
21:59 < mnemoc> i forwarded it to ML
22:00 < mnemoc> valentin: do you have a minute to see if iptraf builds on trunk for you?
22:00 < Baldzius> i think it is related to 2.6 header
22:00 < mnemoc> Baldzius: yes, your patch looks like a sanitizer
22:00 < mnemoc> i guess it's due to the recient linux-header update
22:01 < Baldzius> to whom i should send patches related to scripts?
22:01 < Baldzius> i implimented one thing witch is very useful for me
22:01 < rxr> Baldzius: all to the list
22:01 < Baldzius> ok
22:02 < mnemoc> rxr: can you try it?
22:03 < Baldzius> i have one question, are there problem with automated dependecies calculation?
22:04 < Baldzius> sometimes it seems to me that on same operation i get diferent dependecies tree
22:04 < Baldzius> maybe i am wrong :)
22:04 < mnemoc> currently we do dependencies seeing what the package reads during buildtime
22:05 < mnemoc> and record them on $confdir/$pkg.cache
22:06 < Baldzius> yeah i know , but i am talking about Emerge-Pkg
22:06 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg reads only one level of dependencies
22:06 < Baldzius> ok i just need to o more testing to make sure :)
22:06 < mnemoc> that can be a problem if you expect magic results out of Emerge-Pkg
22:07 < Baldzius> i just said that i had a feeling but i have to look at this more closer
22:08 < valentin> mnemoc: ?
22:08 < mnemoc> valentin: i live on 2.1, can you see if iptraf is broken for you?
22:08 < mnemoc> valentin: on trunk
22:08 < valentin> hm, i can try but my syst
22:09 < valentin> em is not bleeding edge
22:09 < mnemoc> i have the guess that 2.6.12 for linux-header was a bad,bad idea
22:09 < valentin> well, it is quite untested
22:10 < valentin> i have the old headers installed
22:10 < valentin> and i do not want to exchange them right now...
22:10 < mnemoc> no trunk sandbox there?
22:10 < mnemoc> ok
22:10 < valentin> mnemoc: not quite atm...
22:10 < valentin> rxr has
22:10 < valentin> but he is gone today
22:12 < valentin> mnemoc: so i do not have to test it ?
22:12 < valentin> i could bootstrap a ppc64 build on that imac thingy i have here
22:12 < valentin> but i guess i will encounter even more errors then
22:13 < mnemoc> :)
22:13 < mnemoc> valentin: if you have time can you try 2.1 there?
22:13 < valentin> which arch ?
22:13 < valentin> ppc 32 bit ?
22:14 < valentin> at first i have to install t2 on that machine so i can start building
22:14 < mnemoc> 2.1-rc2 ppc32 ISOs would be nice :)
22:14 < valentin> ok, i'll dig some old ppc iso to bootstrap
22:15 < mnemoc> thanks :D
22:15 < mnemoc> ppc64 would be nice to, but there is lot of work to do there
22:16 < valentin> i would investigate in it if apple would give me this machine for ever
22:16 < valentin> as it looks now they want it back in some weeks
22:16 < mnemoc> :(
22:21 < valentin> this useless apple crap...
22:23  * valentin downloading ppc 750 isos from the stoneage (beta3)
22:23 < mnemoc> outch
22:23 < valentin> there are no newer isos, are there ?
22:23 < mnemoc> nope
22:24 < mnemoc> i have been asking rene for them without success :)
22:24 < valentin> time to make some :)
22:24 < mnemoc> he offered an ISO for 2.1-pre-rc3 yesterday... but nothing yet
22:25 < mnemoc> if you can create an ISO form rc2 tag much better :)
22:25 < valentin> what for shall i use this 1.8 Ghz G5 else :)
22:25 < mnemoc> rc3 will have gnome 2.10.2 and kde 3.4.2
22:26 < mnemoc> valentin: :D
22:26 < mnemoc> valentin: nice machine
22:26 < valentin> bad thing is, i will have to interrupt that build from time to time to continue my OSuX work here...
22:27 < mnemoc> better than nothing
22:27 < valentin> mnemoc: this imac thing looks cool on my desk, but the cpu fans are quite annoying 
22:27 < mnemoc> oh, i would expected the opossite from an apple machine
22:27 < valentin> because they permantent keep changing their frequency
22:28 < valentin> one gets the feeling to drive in a formula 1 car weeeee-weeee-weeee
22:28 < Baldzius> :)
22:28 < mnemoc> hehe
22:28 < mnemoc> make it build kdebindings on the final lap
22:29 < valentin> at least they are quite silent, so turning up volume helps :)
22:30 < valentin> gah - airport extreme inside. so under linux i have to stick with cables
22:33 < Baldzius> how emerge-pkg knows that package build was broken ant it needs to be rebuilt?
22:34 < Baldzius> from /var/adm/logs?
22:34 < mnemoc> Baldzius: yes, *.err
22:36 < valentin> over 3h remaining. i don't think i will install them today
22:36 < mnemoc> :(
22:36 < mnemoc> don't you want to sleep listening the fan?
22:37 < Baldzius>  it is really seems there are problems with dependencies calculation and furthermore with dependecies priority
22:38 < Baldzius> my xfce compile fails because one package wants to compile in front of other
22:38 < Baldzius> that's anoying :)
22:38 < mnemoc> why don't you use Build-TargeT?
22:39 < Baldzius> this is only solution?
22:39 < mnemoc> T2 is designed to work htat way
22:40 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg is a hack
22:40 < valentin> mnemoc: my desk is not in the same room as our bed
22:40 < valentin> Baldzius: did you try -deps=none ?
22:40 < Baldzius> no
22:40 < Baldzius> now i'll try :)
22:41 < valentin> but then you will have to ensure dependency manually. but you will notice when your packages fail ;)
22:41 < Baldzius> damn :)
22:42 < valentin> i almost ever do ./EmergePkg -deps=none because otherwise half of my system is rescheduled for build :/
22:42 < mnemoc> Baldzius: don't see Emerge-Pkg like a tool to populate your machine, it has lot of system consistency problems
22:42 < mnemoc> Baldzius: it's just a tool to install those small components you forgot
22:42 < mnemoc> Baldzius: or to update
22:44 < Baldzius> ok but if i make my target with xfcedesktop and after some time i will decide to upgrade to newer version in that case i would do emerge or new target?
22:45 < mnemoc> the suggested way is to reschedule the build used to create the original ISO and redistribute binary packages across installed machines
22:45 < mnemoc> or Emerge-Pkg
22:45 < valentin> but emerge is usefull in most cases
22:46 < mnemoc> for simple cases
22:46 < valentin> just the dependency tracking sucks sometimes...
22:46 < mnemoc> and extensions are not processed
22:46 < valentin> esp if your system is a bit outdated
22:46 < valentin> mnemoc: ack.
22:46 < valentin> for 2.3 we should think about update management
22:46 < Baldzius> that would be nice
22:47 < mnemoc> but like up2date, not apt-magic
22:47 < mnemoc> imho
22:47 < valentin> apt-ra kadrabra !
22:48 < valentin> kadabra even
22:48 < mnemoc> if we manage to keep $config in sync with the running machine, emerge and apt-kadabra working
22:48 < valentin> i will leave my computer alone now...
22:48 < mnemoc> cu valentin, and thanks
22:48 < valentin> cu later
22:48 < valentin> thanks for what ?
22:49 < mnemoc> ppc :)
22:49 < valentin> i did not even install my build system :)
22:49 < valentin> so cu
22:49 < mnemoc> but you will  :)
22:49 < mnemoc> that is a big step
22:49 < CIA-9> amery * r11161 /branches/2.1/package/audio/alsa-driver/postlinux.conf: * merged 10891 from trunk: fixed harmless typo on alsa-driver postlinux.conf
22:52 < rxr> mnemoc: I started a trunk ref build
22:54 < rxr> mnemoc: Emerge does not use .err for broken check
22:54 < rxr> it does use the var/adm/package/$pkg
22:55 < rxr> cache/$pkg even
22:55 < rxr>                                    grep -q '\[BUILDTIME\] .* ERROR' \
22:55 < rxr> n8 all
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23:44 < CIA-9> amery * r11162 /branches/2.1/package/archiver/zlib/ (zlib-1.2.2-inftrees.patch zlib.desc): * merged 10745,11160 from trunk: updated zlib (1.2.2 -> 1.2.3) - potential buffer overflows risk
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