--- Log opened Fri Aug 19 00:00:00 2005
00:42 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11130 /trunk/package/base/gcc/protector-adapter.diff: 
00:42 < CIA-9> * make __guard and __stack_smash_handler weak, so that they can be
00:42 < CIA-9>  overridden (dietlibc does this for example)
00:42 < _Ragnar_> O_O
00:42 < _Ragnar_> that's a good idea
00:43 < jsaw> at least 1-dietlibc is passing now in a fresh build
00:43 < jsaw> :)
00:43 < _Ragnar_> with ssp?
00:43 < jsaw> yep
00:57 < valentin> gn8 all
00:57 < jsaw> g'night valentin 
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01:05 < jsaw> leaving, cu all
01:51 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 
01:51 < mnemoc> jsaw: i started a fresh minimal/ssp on 2.1 with your patch
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04:33 < CIA-9> amery * r11131 /trunk/package/zope/plone/plone.desc: * updated plone (2.1-rc2 -> 2.1-rc3)
04:37 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11132 /trunk/package/network/rt2570/ (dist.patch postlinux.conf rt2570.desc): 
04:37 < CIA-9> * update usb wlan driver rt2570 (2005-07-07 -> 2005-08-18) and
04:37 < CIA-9> * fix outside basedir installation in stage 1
04:45 < CIA-9> amery * r11133 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
04:45 < CIA-9> * merged 9843 from trunk: updated libgtop (2.10.1 -> 2.10.2)
04:45 < CIA-9> * merged 10505,10848 from trunk: updated libwnck (2.10.0 -> 2.10.3)
04:45 < CIA-9> * merged 10512,10847 from trunk: updated metacity (2.10.1 -> 2.10.3)
04:45 < CIA-9> * merged 10513 from trunk: updated zenity (2.10.0 -> 2.10.1)
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05:31 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | BT http://torrent.t2-project.org/
05:31 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Tue Aug  9 23:45:30 2005]
05:31 [Users #t2]
05:31 [@vilkacis ] [ CIA-9] [ keinek_] [ nzg ] [ SerWou   ] [ valentin] 
05:31 [ _Lewellyn] [ dsoul] [ mnemoc ] [ rxr ] [ Shingo-- ] 
05:31 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr    ] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly] 
05:31 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
05:31 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug  8 21:15:33 2004
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05:44 < morfoh> moin
05:47 < mnemoc> moin morfoh 
05:47 < mnemoc> look at your site
05:47 < mnemoc> plone 2.1-rc3 there
05:48 < morfoh> hehe :D
05:48 < morfoh> yawn
05:48 < mnemoc> default plone was boring :)
05:48 < morfoh> I'm tired
05:49 < morfoh> not because of plone of cause
05:49 < mnemoc> work work work
05:49 < morfoh> course
05:49 < morfoh> yep
05:50 < mnemoc> did you see your site?
05:50 < morfoh> yep ... already
05:50 < mnemoc> no comments? :\
05:50 < morfoh> toxic green but I like the logo :)
05:50 < mnemoc> too tired for that?
05:50 < morfoh> no to tired for the right words
05:50 < morfoh> :p
05:51 < mnemoc> from 1 to 10
05:51 < morfoh> brain isn't switched on yet .... 
05:51 < mnemoc> :)
05:51 < mnemoc> ok ok
05:51 < mnemoc> hide
05:51 < morfoh> 4-5
05:51 < mnemoc> and default plone?
05:51 < morfoh> but a good starting point
05:52 < morfoh> same for default plone
05:52 < mnemoc> :)
05:52 < morfoh> hehe :D
05:52 < mnemoc> and http://www3.conosurseguros.cl/t2 ?
05:52 < morfoh> what font did you used for the logo ?
05:53 < mnemoc> let me open inkscape...
05:53 < morfoh> did you changed sth on t2 site on www3 ?
05:54 < mnemoc> Crillee
05:54 < mnemoc> i re-make it
05:54 < mnemoc> saving some images
05:55 < morfoh> Crillee ...  c'est quoi ?
05:55 < morfoh> the font ?
05:55 < mnemoc> yes
05:55 < mnemoc> do you like it?
05:55 < mnemoc> it was just an idea before making my daughters sleep
05:55 < morfoh> it sounds like a common nick name in berlin for my real name :)
05:55 < mnemoc> s/sounds/was/
05:55 < mnemoc> err
05:56 < mnemoc> yes?
05:56 < morfoh> yes I like the sound
05:56 < mnemoc> crillee sounds like you?
05:56 < morfoh> Chrille = "Nick name for Christian in Berlin"
05:56 < mnemoc> i thought i had written 'sounds', that's why i corrected it
05:56 < mnemoc> hehe
05:57 < mnemoc> do i install zepp?
05:57 < morfoh> of course you can do :)
05:57 < morfoh> do you wanna give it a real try ?
05:58 < mnemoc> i wont do project management :)
05:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: I can imagine ... me neither too :p
05:59 < morfoh> .oO( but I like the font )o
05:59 < morfoh> coffee now :)
05:59 < morfoh> mom
05:59 < mnemoc> i'll upload the .svg
06:01 < mnemoc> i considered green for giving live to the logo
06:02 < mnemoc> with good constrast with blue
06:02 < mnemoc> (uploaded)
06:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... indeed it was a godd idea ... I like green very much
06:02 < mnemoc> really? :)
06:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: seems you becoming a famous artist
06:02 < morfoh> :)
06:02 < morfoh> yeah really !
06:02 < mnemoc> hehe
06:02 < morfoh> :D
06:03 < mnemoc> <morfoh> _toxic green_ but I like the logo :)
06:03 < morfoh> but green and blue is a quite strange combination :)
06:03 < mnemoc> high contrast
06:03 < morfoh> I think but color choosing :p
06:03 < morfoh> bad
06:03 < mnemoc> :)
06:04 < morfoh> I'm not an expert but .... it makes me cry :p
06:04 < mnemoc> svg was updated so you can play with colors
06:04 < morfoh> thx :)
06:05 < morfoh> .oO( hopefully the master mnemoc hasn't registred a (tm) for the logo yet )o :p
06:05  * morfoh hides
06:05 < mnemoc> i don't register anything
06:05 < mnemoc> registering is for woosies
06:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: just joking :p
06:05 < morfoh> I guess you know that :p
06:05 < mnemoc> i know
06:05 < mnemoc> brb
06:05 < morfoh> ok
06:19 < mnemoc> morfoh: give 6c0db4ff a try instead of blue
06:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: just change it ... I've to take a shower now because I've to leave in 1h
06:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: give it a try :)
06:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: i'll go to sleep....
06:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: see you tomorrow
06:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok 
06:21 < morfoh> cu compaņero
06:21 < morfoh> sleep well
06:23 < mnemoc> gn8
06:23 < morfoh> good night :)
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06:41 < _Ragnar_> is there a GCC_WRAPPER_FILTER? O_O
06:59 < CIA-9> amery * r11134 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.pl: * finished mnemosyne.pl render_rules by enabling folders if they have showable content
07:03 < morfoh> moin Ragnar 
07:04 < _Ragnar_> hey hey
07:04 < _Ragnar_> uhm
07:04 < morfoh> cu later .... moving to work ... 
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07:04 < _Ragnar_> scripts/kconfig/conf.o(.text+0x91): In function `check_stdin':
07:04 < _Ragnar_> conf.c: undefined reference to `libintl_gettext'
07:04 < _Ragnar_> scripts/kconfig/conf.o(.text+0xa5):conf.c: undefined reference to `libintl_gettext'
07:05 < _Ragnar_> :P *hate hate hate*
08:16 < keinek_> muy bueno
08:16 < keinek_> :)
08:16 < keinek_> no use kconfig
08:16 < keinek_> usa el otro
08:17 < keinek_> sorry
08:17 < keinek_> i confusing the channel.
08:17 < rxr_> re
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08:21 < morfoh> re hi
08:21 < rxr> rehi morfoh 
08:21 < morfoh> moin rxr 
08:43 < keinek_> twinkle
08:44 < morfoh> hola seņor keinek :)
08:44 < keinek_> tell to the public what is t2?
08:45 < keinek_> i just for record
08:46 < keinek_> Hey this is a nice talk!
08:46 < keinek_> :P
08:47 < keinek_> I promese to learn english for the next year :)
08:47 < morfoh> keinek_: seems you like to talk to yourself :p
08:47 < keinek_> rxr : sorry my english is too bad
08:47 < keinek_> no no no
08:47 < keinek_> morfoh, i just talk with rxr form telephone.
08:47 < keinek_> :P
08:47 < rxr> nah - but I'm sorry I do not really have time right now due to this commerical code to be finished today ...
08:48 < keinek_> rxr no problem man.
08:48 < keinek_> is my fault
08:48 < morfoh> keinek_: I cannot follow you ... :p
08:48 < keinek_> but is nice to know that i can do telephone call.
08:49 < keinek_> morfoh, is the 2th call that i make with rene.
08:49 < morfoh> keinek_: I'm happy that you know how you can use a phone :p
08:49 < keinek_> and this time, from T2!
08:49 < keinek_> no no no
08:50 < keinek_> i dont use a telephone.
08:50 < morfoh> keinek_: skype ?
08:50 < keinek_> no no
08:50 < keinek_> i use de sip protocol.
08:50 < morfoh> what what what then ?
08:50 < keinek_> i have a friend in Spain.
08:50 < keinek_> with a Asterisk central.
08:50 < morfoh> keinek_: you have friends ? :p
08:50 < keinek_> he make a acount for me.
08:50 < keinek_> yes morfoh 
08:50 < morfoh> keinek_: ic :)
08:50 < keinek_> you are from german?
08:50 < morfoh> keinek_: juist joking :)
08:51 < morfoh> keinek_: don't tell me you don't know who I am 
08:51 < morfoh> keinek_: you are a "tote hose"
08:51 < keinek_> yes i like "die toten hosen"
08:52 < keinek_> or what is "tote hose"?
08:52 < morfoh> keinek_: translated "death trouser" ... just because we talked about it when you first joined #t2
08:53 < keinek_> yes i remember
08:53 < morfoh> keinek_: so you should know ... that I'm from germany or do you suffering alzheimer
08:53 < morfoh> ?
08:53 < keinek_> do you wanna talk with me?
08:53 < morfoh> :p
08:53 < morfoh> keinek_: uhm?
08:53 < morfoh> I already do
08:53 < keinek_> yes.
08:54 < keinek_> yes
08:54 < keinek_> but
08:54 < keinek_> by phone.
08:54 < rxr> keinek_: I hope you do not phone your spanish friend into deps ...
08:54 < keinek_> just a minute.
08:55 < keinek_> what is into deps?
08:55 < morfoh> rxr: i think keinek_ almost did :)
08:55 < morfoh> I guess rxr means debts
08:55 < keinek_> i need learn more english...
08:56 < rxr> debt even
08:56 < keinek_> hahaha
08:56  * rxr too
08:56 < keinek_> i dont know.
08:56 < keinek_> i just calling from my linux box.
08:56 < rxr> which program do you use ?
08:56 < keinek_> we have twinkle sip programa in t2?
08:56 < keinek_> if no, i will add.
08:56 < keinek_> :)
08:57 < keinek_> kphone work bad but work.
08:57 < morfoh> keinek_: for kde there is kphone ... I think
08:57 < keinek_> twinkle work fine, but sometimes freeze.
08:57 < morfoh> ooops
08:57 < keinek_> and gnomemeeting work fine.
08:57 < keinek_> but in t2 i can do that.
08:57 < keinek_> that people need gnomemeeting from snapshot.
08:58 < keinek_> and... i have... some problems to compile.
08:58 < keinek_> so...
08:58 < keinek_> when i was found twinkle
08:58 < keinek_> i compile that in 10 minutes.
08:58 < keinek_> i very happy, work fine.
08:58 < keinek_> so... i was talking with rene from T2 linux.
08:58 < keinek_> and free.
08:58 < keinek_> :=
08:59 < keinek_> :)
08:59 < morfoh> keinek_: your poor spanish friend 
08:59 < morfoh> :)
08:59 < keinek_> the problem is... that here are 4 am.
09:00 < keinek_> too late.
09:00 < morfoh> keinek_: yep
09:00 < keinek_> rene talk hurry up.
09:00 < keinek_> i just can understand.
09:00 < keinek_> "work" "call me in the night"... "bye bye".
09:01 < keinek_> :D
09:01 < keinek_> This is a good History.
09:01 < keinek_> When mnemoc get up, i talk about that.
09:01 < keinek_> is very funny.
09:01 < morfoh> keinek_: i cannot follow you ... 
09:02 < keinek_> because my english?
09:02 < morfoh> keinek_: I think so
09:04 < keinek_> When speaks with rene, i  was understanding very little.
09:05 < keinek_> Until I understood that he was very busy.
09:05 < keinek_> Now I am using a translator
09:06 < morfoh> keinek_: :)
09:07 < keinek_> When i learn more English we will know ourselves better, believe me, I have much that to tell us.
09:08 < morfoh> keinek_: I htink we all know that you've much to tell :)
09:10 < keinek_> :)
09:10 < morfoh> rxr: if you've some spare time next week or so ... I'd like to invite you and susann for dinner
09:10 < rxr> morfoh: oh - thanks ,-)
09:11 < morfoh> rxr: I just tell you that you can plan some time for it 
09:11 < keinek_> This week my program of free radio,  come to more countries of Hispanic speech.
09:12 < keinek_> And this of the calls is a fruit of it, someone that I listen to the program.
09:13 < keinek_> is contributing
09:13 < keinek_> but is only for europe.
09:14 < keinek_> Well ire to sleeping a bit, when wakes up mnemoc, say to him that I was doing good things.
09:15 < keinek_> :D
09:15 < keinek_> :)
09:15 < morfoh> keinek_: as we always do ... :)
09:23 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11135 /trunk/package/network/rt2570/ (dist.patch postlinux.conf rt2570.postinstall): 
09:23 < CIA-9> * corrected previous fix of rt2570, it touches modutils/modprobe.conf
09:23 < CIA-9>  (which is created by mod..utils),
09:23 < CIA-9>  this is moved into postinstall script now
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09:58 < Shingo--> rxr: hi
11:05 < morfoh> rxr: as I told you before I left to brussels I want to have the kernel and the kernel-headers in "sync" ... should we use the same versioning scheme like the kernel ?
11:50 < CIA-9> chris * r11136 /trunk/package/base/linux-header/ (linux-header.conf linux-header.desc serio.patch): 
11:50 < CIA-9> * updated linux-header (2.6.11 -> 2.6.12.3)
11:50 < CIA-9> * changed conf to install some more network related header files
11:50 < CIA-9> * deleted serio.patch because it's included in the new version
11:55 < CIA-9> chris * r11137 /trunk/package/security/ebtables/ebtables.desc: * added DIETLIBC flag to ebtables
11:57 < CIA-9> chris * r11138 /trunk/package/security/grsecurity/grsecurity.desc: * added DIETLIBC flag to grsecurity package
12:02 < CIA-9> chris * r11139 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/parse-config-9: * added grsecurity to dietlibc's parse-config-9 to inject -D_GNU_SOURCE while building grsecurity with dietlibc
12:08 < CIA-9> chris * r11140 /trunk/package/python/itools/itools.desc: * updated itools (0.9.2 -> 0.9.3)
12:11 < CIA-9> chris * r11141 /trunk/package/python/itools/itools.desc: * updated itools (0.9.3 -> 0.10.0)
12:31 < morfoh> just a note to eliminate duplicate work ... I'll update the kernel and the kernel-headers package today
12:51 < CIA-9> chris * r11142 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: 
12:51 < CIA-9> * updated linux26 (2.6.12.3 -> 2.6.12.4)
12:51 < CIA-9> * updated software-suspend (2.1.9.8 -> 2.1.9.9)
12:52 < CIA-9> jsaw * r11143 /trunk/package/network/ (quagga/quagga.conf zebra/zebra.desc): 
12:52 < CIA-9> * temporary solution for Ticket #60:
12:52 < CIA-9>  quagga is a fork of zebra, so they use identical init files,
12:52 < CIA-9>  - quagga install_init_scripts fixed to really use the files from zebra
12:52 < CIA-9>  - zebra set to O
12:52 < CIA-9>  ( see comment on trac )
12:52 < morfoh> hi jsaw :)
12:53 < CIA-9> chris * r11144 /trunk/package/base/linux-header/linux-header.desc: 
12:53 < CIA-9> * updated linux-header (2.6.12.3 -> 2.6.12.4)
12:53 < CIA-9> * updated software-suspend (2.1.9.8 -> 2.1.9.9)
13:04 < CIA-9> chris * r11145 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc: 
13:04 < CIA-9> * updated vserver patch for linux26 (2.6.12.3-vs2.0-rc9 -> 2.6.12.4-vs2.0)
13:04 < CIA-9> * Note: this is the first official stable release of vserver-2.0
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13:06 < morfoh> have to go now ... cu later ... 
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14:29 < rxr> re
14:49 < valentin> re
14:49 < valentin> hi rxr
15:22 < mnemoc> moin
15:25 < mnemoc> jsaw: what side efect may produce having secure functions from ssp as weak? don't we loose security?
15:38 < rxr> hi valentin 
15:38 < rxr> iMac on my desk ..
15:41 < mnemoc> does it look weird together with your iBook?
15:41 < valentin> re
15:41 < valentin> again...
15:42 < valentin> hi iRene :)
15:43 < rxr> iBook - well - ehrm - it is hidden in my bag ... - but yes - the desk gets populated with a lot shiny new stuff ...
15:44 < rxr> I should try to get the iMac permanenty - so far Apple want's it back in 14 days ...
15:44 < mnemoc> :)
15:44 < rxr> but - well - at least the Mac mini is on the same desk and not hidden in a bag ...
15:45 < mnemoc> poor ibook and mac mini
15:47 < rxr> btw I'll most probably ebay the iBook ...
15:48 < rxr> leaving only the Mac mini and IBM RS6k in the office as PowerPC boxes (aside from the other old workstation junk and the embedded boards)
15:49 < mnemoc> what will you carry to cebit 2006? :)
15:49 < rxr> maybe a MSI Megabook with AMD Turion
15:49 < mnemoc> :)
15:49 < rxr> and for the booth itself my 19" TFT and the Mac mini might be a choice ...
15:49 < mnemoc> o.o
15:50 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
15:51 < mnemoc> nothing... just looking your wonderful 19" TFT :)
15:51 < mnemoc> o.o != O_o
15:55 < rxr> http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/notebook/nb/pro_nb_selling.php?UID=608
15:55 < rxr> mnemoc: let's see what the santa selivers to you this christmas ...
15:55 < rxr> delivers ...
15:56 < rxr> mnemoc: the ting above has a 64bit AMD mobile CPU ...
15:56 < rxr> thing ...
15:56 < rxr> damn - what's up with my typing today ...
15:57 < mnemoc> santa comes for my kinds ;)
15:57 < mnemoc> rxr: nice machine
15:58 < rxr> the drawback is only 3.x hours of battery life 
15:58 < mnemoc> 3h is good enough imo
15:58 < rxr> the iBook had 5 when it was new ...
15:59 < rxr> and that was 2.x years ago ...
15:59 < rxr> there are more expensive panasonic that archive 5-6 hours with ULV Pentium M's ...
15:59 < rxr> withotu fan even ...
15:59 < rxr> but they are over 2kEUR
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16:00 < mnemoc> ehm
16:01 < rxr> but these days I would not throw money into a less than 64bit laptop ...
16:02 < mnemoc> :)
16:03 < rxr> and the sparc64 laptops are too expensive, heavy, loud and slow ...
16:04 < mnemoc> that msi notebook looks nice enought :)
16:05 < mnemoc> brb
16:10 < valentin> http://www.heise.de/bilder/62968/1/1
16:10 < valentin> ^- on a microsoft sponsored party in berlin
16:11 < rxr> where is this pic from?
16:11 < rxr> article?
16:12 < valentin> from the heise article
16:12 < rxr> link to the article ?
16:13 < valentin> open source activists on microsoft party in the berlin house of representatives
16:13 < valentin> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/62968
16:16 < rxr> thanks ,-)
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17:05 < keinek> hi
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17:11 < minto> hi folks :D
17:14 < rxr> hey minto 
17:23 < rxr> apple has an firmware update for the G5 iMac so the sleep indicator is not as bright in the evening as in the remaining day
17:23 < rxr> do those people nothing to do ???
17:24 < rxr> e.g. fixing USB and Bluetooth ?
17:24 < rxr> or all the remaining half-finished stuff on their DVD ....
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17:54 < menomc> rehi
17:55 < rxr> menomc: hi
17:56 < rxr> OS suX is as slow on the 1.8 Ghz G5 as it was on my 800 Mhz iBook ...
17:56 < rxr> I would have expected more responsive GUI ... but it is as dog slow as usual ...
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18:03 < sepp> hi
18:04 < menomc> hi sepp 
18:04 < sepp> hi menomc 
18:05 < menomc> rxr: we could try to make an osX-like T2 based :)   changing prefixes etc...
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18:05 < _Ragnar_> ewww
18:05 < menomc> hi sparc-kly, _Ragnar_ 
18:05 < _Ragnar_> hey hey
18:06 < sparc-kly> hey :P 
18:08 < sepp> in trunk build_this_package() does a case "$xsrctar" *.tar.bz2|*.tbz2 ... that breaks chmlib and botan because they both end with tbz
18:08 < sepp> without 2
18:10 < minto> sepp: fixing that is easy. I will do it.
18:11 < minto> I will add custextract="autoextract_tar_bz2" to the .conf file.
18:11 < sepp> why not fix build_this_package() ?
18:12 < _Ragnar_> why not just add the tbz case?
18:12 < _Ragnar_> I did that locally and had no problems with it
18:12 < menomc> improving format autodetection is better
18:13 < minto> That is also possible. Is tbz regularly used?
18:13 < sepp> no only 2 packages 
18:13 < menomc> we have a fuction to standarize... minute
18:13 < minto> I meant outside T2
18:13 < menomc> bz2filename
18:14 < menomc> what people use outside is converted into tar.bz2 by bz2filename
18:14 < sepp> ahh
18:15 < minto> menomc: Not always. zip is not converted :)
18:15 < menomc> bz2filename has to be improved to rename on download
18:15 < menomc> zip is not convertable
18:15 < menomc> because tar has different ABIs
18:15 < menomc> then we can't checksum
18:15 < minto> menomc: I know :)
18:16 < menomc> but tbz is candidate for and improvement of bz2filename
18:17 < minto> menomc: What happened to your nick?
18:18 < menomc> :p
18:18 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc
18:33 < valentin> menomc: happens often theese days *g*
18:35 < rxr> hi valentin 
18:36 < mnemoc> i need an script to ghost mnemoc on login
18:40 < rxr> valentin: the 610cu ADF does not work with my IO core ...
18:40 < rxr> valentin: just makes dangerous noises. ...
18:42 < valentin> the 610 does
18:42 < valentin> janna is nervous again :(
18:43 < mnemoc> valentin: bach? hard metal? agro? :)
18:45 < CIA-9> rene * r11146 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_install.sh: 
18:45 < CIA-9> * fixed title of stone install module (not only partitioning but also
18:45 < CIA-9>  "mounting") ...
18:45 < mnemoc> uhm
18:45 < valentin> mnemoc: she should drink something first
18:46 < mnemoc> why not _during_?
18:46 < mnemoc> so she felt slept which drinkin :)
18:46 < mnemoc> s/which/while/
18:46 < mnemoc> .oO( my finger don't obey me )o
18:48 -!- You're now known as susan
18:48 < susan> the new powerpc built is installing on my ibook now 
18:49 < susan> just a note for mnemoc - so he is less nervous :)
18:49 < mnemoc> 2.1-rc2? :)
18:50 < mnemoc> i got two problems syncing gnome to 2.1.... issues at trac
18:50 < susan> t2-2.1 - but trunk (-rc3)
18:51 < mnemoc> ok
18:51 < _Ragnar_> re
18:51 < mnemoc> susan: can you share the iso (-pre-rc3) with sparc-kly?
18:52 < susan> of course, the .iso will be on gsmp this weekend
18:53 < mnemoc> :)
18:53 < mnemoc> i would like to use a different structure on gsmp...
18:53 < mnemoc> stable/$distro/$arch/$version/
18:54 < mnemoc> instead of simply $version
18:54 -!- You're now known as rxr
18:55 < mnemoc> we could also play with symlinks there
18:55 < mnemoc> to do other conviantions
18:56 < mnemoc> it's quite hard to see what is what on current 2.1.0-rc2 dir
18:59 < valentin> re
19:03 < rxr> rehi valentin 
19:04 < rxr> mnemoc: windows profersional here - can I install WinXP on a 233Mhz Pentium-MMX ?
19:04 < rxr> with 96MB or RAM I think ?
19:04 < rxr> ELSA Victory 3D (S3 Virge) graphic card it has ...
19:04 < mnemoc> 128 minimal
19:04 < rxr> ouhm
19:05 < mnemoc> 256 suggested
19:05 < rxr> I doubt I have matching RAM lingering around ...
19:05 < rxr> too bad I can not find my Win95 CD ...
19:05 < mnemoc> 98?
19:05 < mnemoc> reactos? :)
19:05 < rxr> well - I have a WinME from my first Laptop - but it is not a full version
19:05 < mnemoc> winme is no even functional
19:05 < rxr> I think I have to tweak some file or so to install it on an abritary box ...
19:06 < rxr> I have NT 4 ...
19:06 < rxr> but wel, ...
19:06 < mnemoc> don't even try XP or 2k
19:06 < rxr> it has no USB support and I need to obtain some USB log of scanner i/o ...
19:06 < mnemoc> 98se has USB
19:06 < rxr> the setup is starting right now ...
19:07 < rxr> didn't '95 include USB already?
19:07 < mnemoc> not afaik
19:07 < rxr> hm
19:07 < rxr> I'm too long out of this window'ed world ...
19:07 < rxr> only wigwams here ...
19:07 < mnemoc> win 3.1 didn't had tcp/ip included :)
19:07 < rxr> did I mention 3.1 ??
19:08 < rxr> btw. I once was windows 2 ... ,-) !!!
19:08 < mnemoc> :)
19:08 < rxr> /was/saw/ of course
19:08 < mnemoc> windows 1 was two 360 floppy discs
19:08 < rxr> too bad I have not made a copy at that time
19:08 < mnemoc> one for win.exe and one for the font :p
19:08 < rxr> and not more than a file manager IIRC
19:08 < rxr> without overlapping text windows and such
19:08 < mnemoc> yep
19:09 < rxr> in other words rocket science
19:09 < mnemoc> :D
19:09 < mnemoc> and apple had nice GUI
19:10 < mnemoc> marketing sucks
19:12 < rxr> sorry - wrong keyboard ...
19:12 < rxr> ack
19:12 < rxr> the text installer thingi is running on that box and formating my disk ...
19:12 < rxr> I guess the gui part will then complain that 96MB of RAM are not enough ...
19:14 < mnemoc> let see :)
19:17  * _Ragnar_ sighs
19:18 < _Ragnar_> ====[auto_config:70 (last $?=0)> make ARCH=i386 CROSS_COMPILE=i686-t2-linux-uclibc- KCC=i686-t2-linux-uclibc-kcc no2modconfig
19:18 < _Ragnar_> scripts/kconfig/conf.o(.text+0x91): In function `check_stdin':
19:18 < _Ragnar_> conf.c: undefined reference to `libintl_gettext'
19:18 < _Ragnar_> scripts/kconfig/conf.o(.text+0xa5):conf.c: undefined reference to `libintl_gettext'
19:18 < _Ragnar_> how do I get a -lintl in there?!? {GCC|CC|KCC}-WRAPPER-APPEND doesn't seem to work;p
19:19 < valentin> rxr: when will you come over ?
19:20 < valentin> maybe we will carry janna out for half an hour again
19:22 < rxr> valentin: when I start the next minutes I will need 45min for the travel, so ...
19:22 < valentin> ok
19:22 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: reviewe cmd_wrapper.log
19:22 < rxr> _Ragnar_: with under scores? GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ?
19:22 < mnemoc> :)
19:23 < mnemoc> variables can't have '-' :)
19:23 < _Ragnar_> yea sorry :) I just a typo here, I meant to say _
19:25 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: that call doesn't seem to appear in cmd_wrapper.log
19:25 < mnemoc> if not, the wrapped gcc is not been called
19:25 < valentin> cu later
19:26 < _Ragnar_> yea ... how can I debug that? it seems to be called for other compiles, just not at this spot
19:26 < mnemoc> debug.sh
19:27 < mnemoc> on gdb.conf i exported LDFLAGS iirc :p
19:28 < mnemoc> but GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND on parse-config is far more elegant
19:28 < _Ragnar_> yea O_O but it doesn't seem to work in this case for whatever reason O_O
19:29 < mnemoc> debug.sh
19:30 < _Ragnar_> how? O_O ;p
19:30 < mnemoc> cd src.foo.*/
19:30 < mnemoc> ./debug.sh
19:30 < mnemoc> type -p gcc :)
19:45 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: export ${foo}_WRAPPER_DEBUG=1 can help you on that quest
19:47 < rxr> does anyone notice that I fill the trac ?
19:51 < mnemoc> you could have login :(
19:52 < rxr> I have?
19:52 < mnemoc> i guess...
19:52 < mnemoc> brb
20:01 < rxr> I think I drive to valentin now ...
20:35 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: type -p gcc = /usr/bin/gcc
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22:08 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: don't you have TOOLCHAIN on your PATH
22:08 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: ?
22:08 < _Ragnar_> PATH=/t2-trunk/t2-trunk/build/a32-2.2.0-alpha-x86-athlon-xp-generic/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/wrapper
22:08 < _Ragnar_> :...
22:09 < mnemoc> do you have a gcc there?
22:10 < _Ragnar_> yes
22:11 < _Ragnar_> oh ... no!
22:11 < mnemoc> ?
22:11 < _Ragnar_> why don't I?
22:11 < mnemoc> review is gcc's wrapper.in is being loaded
22:11 < mnemoc> s/is/if/
22:12 < _Ragnar_> hmm but I don't have a gcc in that dir either for my other builds OO
22:12 < _Ragnar_> O_O
22:12 < mnemoc> is Create-Tools processing tools.cross?
22:13 < _Ragnar_> Building tools in build/.../TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross:
22:13 < _Ragnar_> -> Building tools.cross/wrapper/cmd_wrapper.
22:14 < mnemoc> ./tools.cross/libexec/gcc ?
22:14 < mnemoc> ./tools.cross/i686-t2-linux-gnu/bin/gcc
22:14 < mnemoc> .oO
22:14 < mnemoc> ./tools.chroot/wrapper/gcc
22:15 < mnemoc> ./tools.cross/wrapper/i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc
22:15 < mnemoc> .oO
22:15 < mnemoc> rxr: 
22:15 < _Ragnar_> I'm in stage 1 at that point
22:16 < _Ragnar_> and nowhere do I see a ./gcc
22:17 < mnemoc> $CC ?
22:18 < _Ragnar_> CC=i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc
22:18 < _Ragnar_> but that seems to get ignored
22:20 < mnemoc> fix that makefile
22:21 < mnemoc> to honor $CC
22:21 < _Ragnar_> I don't even see which stupid makefile the call is made in!
22:21 < mnemoc> do you have $CC on tools.cross/wrapper ?
22:21 < mnemoc> grep -R gcc *
22:27 < _Ragnar_> O_O
22:27 < _Ragnar_> okay by setting HOSTCC in the make options I could get it one step further
22:27 < _Ragnar_> but now it complains about not finding -lintl (on the next file)
22:29  * _Ragnar_ sighs :/
22:29  * _Ragnar_ curses uclibc
22:31 < mnemoc> CC :)
22:31 < _Ragnar_> ?
22:32 < mnemoc> try $CC instead of $HOSTCC
22:36 < _Ragnar_> export GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND='-L/usr/lib -lintl -ggdb'
22:36 < _Ragnar_> make ARCH=i386 CROSS_COMPILE=i686-t2-linux-uclibc- KCC=i686-t2-linux-uclibc-kcc HOSTCC=i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc V=1 no2modconfig
22:36 < _Ragnar_> make ARCH=i386 CROSS_COMPILE=i686-t2-linux-uclibc- KCC=i686-t2-linux-uclibc-kcc -f scripts/Makefile.build obj=scripts/basic i686-t2-linux-uclibc-gcc -Wp,-MD,scripts/basic/.fixdep.d -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer        -o scripts/basic/fixdep scripts/basic/fixdep.c
22:37 < _Ragnar_> /bin/sh: line 1: 13185 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) scripts/basic/fixdep scripts/basic/.fixdep.d scripts/basic/fixdep
22:37  * _Ragnar_ sighs
22:44 < mnemoc> .oO
22:45 < mnemoc> what about LDFLAGS?
22:47 < CIA-9> amery * r11147 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/mnemosyne.pl: * changed mnemosyne's mnemosyne.pl to actually write rules.in file
22:48 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: what are you building?
22:50 < mnemoc> where the f* is morpoh?
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23:19 < jsaw> re
23:21 < mnemoc> wb jsaw 
23:21 < mnemoc> jsaw: did you got my question?
23:24 < jsaw> I'm not 100% sure about the weak, probably I have to remove it from __guard, but __stack_smash_handler is safe.
23:24 < jsaw> It's just a loggin function afaihs
23:25 < jsaw> I'm still waiting for answers from Hiro-something...
23:25 < mnemoc> ssp author?
23:25 < jsaw> the one listed on the ibm homepage
23:25 < jsaw> yes
23:26 < mnemoc> :)
23:27 < jsaw> but obviously he himself never heard about weak symbols... so it can take some time...
23:27 < jsaw> sounds strange to me..., being able to hack SSP into gcc not noing to much about C-compilers...
23:28 < mnemoc> why do you get that conclusion?
23:30 < jsaw> from an answer on my question by email
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23:30 < keinek> hi
23:30 < jsaw> hi keinek 
23:48 < mnemoc> jsaw: impressive :(
23:48 < jsaw> ?
23:49 < mnemoc> jsaw: SSP author answering as a newbie on C-compilers
23:49 < jsaw> yep
23:49 < jsaw> s/yep/ah yes/
23:49 < jsaw> :)
23:49 < mnemoc> :D
23:50 < jsaw> btw, it could be security problem, you're right. But I have to verify it ...
23:50 < mnemoc> jsaw: if you get a minute please reply my mail about foo-% :)
23:50 < mnemoc> jsaw: i don't know anything about c-compilers, but that weak sounds like a problem for that kind of functions
23:51 < jsaw> yeah, I forgot one option that I have to check: preloading dynlibs
23:51 < jsaw> otherwise it's only a problem for freshly compiled programs..
23:52 < jsaw> hmmm... on the otherhand, it's always a problem to preload a lib replacing __stack_smash_handler...
23:52 < jsaw> on the other other hand, when you can do that, the system is already broken...
23:53 < mnemoc> :)
23:54 < jsaw> so, in the end, I think, it's safe...
23:54 < mnemoc> *g*
23:54 < mnemoc> not safe but harmles i guess
23:54 < jsaw> well, let's see what the co-developers will say
23:54 < jsaw> mnemoc: yeah, that's right
23:56 < _Ragnar_> re
23:56 < jsaw> mnemoc: now I turn to sth. else that gets on my nerves much more.... hacking fl_wrapper so that it just exits when a file outside basedir will be access...
23:56 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: new uclibc build to see if new uclibc version works
23:57 < mnemoc> jsaw: that would be nice, fatal abort before damaging the host
23:57 < jsaw> yep
23:57 < jsaw> rt2570 damaged my hosts modutils.conf...
23:57 < mnemoc> :(
23:58 < mnemoc> jsaw: you should use vserver on your build machine
23:58 < jsaw> well, np, I use kernel 2.6, so modprobe.conf is the important file...
23:58 < jsaw> mnemoc: you're right, but it's a question of time...
23:59 < mnemoc> as always :\
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