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00:15 < mnemoc> on /proc ? :)
00:22 < mnemoc> Shingo--: what do you mean?
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05:11 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc2 TAGGED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | rc2 Avant Premier at http://torrent.t2-project.org/
05:11 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Fri Aug 5 06:14:40 2005]
05:11 [Users #t2]
05:11 [@vilkacis ] [ CIA-9] [ keinek] [ nzg ] [ sepp ]
05:11 [ _Lewelly1] [ dsoul] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
05:11 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_]
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06:26 < shingo--> where is mounted /proc? in initrd or where else?
06:46 < shingo--> if i'm not clear, i'm talk about in boot process.
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09:20 < vvucic> hi
09:20 < vvucic> It's me Veki
09:22 < vvucic> I have had the same problem with cc1plus when compiling MySQL. It is strange, that such a package cannot be built on 320 Megs of SWAP due to lack of swap space.
09:32 < CIA-9> mtr * r10893 /trunk/package/multimedia/vdr/ (config.in vdr.desc): * updated vdr (1.3.27 -> 1.3.28)
09:33 < rxr_> re
09:34 < mtr> moin rxr_
09:34 -!- You're now known as rxr
09:34 < rxr> moin mtr
09:39 < vvucic> hi
09:40 < vvucic> I have had the same problem with cc1plus error in error-log when compiling MySQL. It is strange, that such a package cannot be built on 320 Megs of SWAP due to lack of swap space.
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09:54 < rxr> shingo--: in T2 2.2 (aka. trunk) in the initrd - in former versions we normally had no initrd
10:06 < CIA-9> rene * r10894 /trunk/package/archiver/afio/ (. afio.cache afio.desc install.patch): * added afio (2.5) - port from dRock-1.6.1-rc2
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10:14 < morfoh> moin
10:16 < rxr> morfoh: hi
10:16 < morfoh> hey rxr ... how is it ?
10:18 < morfoh> rxr: have you tested to connect an external firewire HDD with the ltest kernel ?
10:18 < CIA-9> rene * r10895 /trunk/package/archiver/flexbackup/ (. flexbackup.cache flexbackup.desc): * added flexbackup (1.2.1)
10:18 < morfoh> I think there are some problems within nodemgr.c
10:18 < rxr> morfoh: no - I have not tested that
10:19 < rxr> 1771 packages in tree
10:19 < morfoh> :)
10:19 < morfoh> rxr: most external firewire encloseres are not detected afaik
10:20 < morfoh> rxr: one of my "flat compañeros" have found a quite recent patch for it
10:20 < CIA-9> rene * r10896 /trunk/package/archiver/afio/afio.desc: * tiny afio.desc prettification
10:20 < morfoh> has
10:20 < rxr> morfoh: 10:06 < CIA-9> rene * r10894 /trunk/package/archiver/afio/ (. afio.cache afio.desc install.patch): * added afio (2.5) - port from dRock-1.6.1-rc2
10:20 < rxr> ,-)
10:21 < morfoh> ;) foxy he is
10:21 < rxr> you know my famous Desktop ROCK fork ? *g*
10:21 < morfoh> rxr: yep :)
10:22 < morfoh> rxr: btw, we still have some random problems building autoconf :\
10:22 < morfoh> rxr: some build just abort, but after rescheduling it buids fine
10:22 < CIA-9> rene * r10897 /trunk/target/archivista/build_image.sh: * forgotten commit to install firefox preconfiguration for archivista
10:22 < rxr> parallel ?
10:23 < morfoh> I had the problem on rc2 boot lately
10:23 < morfoh> optimized for P4
10:24 < CIA-9> rene * r10898 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel: * added afio and flexbackup to the archivista target
10:25 < morfoh> rxr: I think I'll buy a MIPS routerboard at the beginnning of sept.
10:26 < morfoh> rxr: there is a nice project on a horizon where it could be quitre useful
10:28 < valentin> moin
10:28 < morfoh> hey! moin papa valentin :)
10:29 < valentin> moin morfoh et al
10:30 < rxr> hi valentin
10:30 < rxr> valentin: 10:06 < CIA-9> rene * r10894 /trunk/package/archiver/afio/ (. afio.cache afio.desc install.patch): * added afio (2.5) - port from dRock-1.6.1-rc2
10:33 < valentin> what is afio ?
10:36 < rxr> cpio replacement
10:36 < rxr> I think I packaged it for meino - and now I need it here ...
10:39 < morfoh> rxr: can I add some t2 related projects to the sponsering mail ?
10:40 < morfoh> i.e. the carrier grade router you made, and perhaps archevista, or sth. else ?
10:40 < CIA-9> rene * r10899 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/flexbackup.conf: * added flexbackup pre-configuration to the archivista target (untested)
10:40 < rxr> morfoh: yes - though I have no name to hand out for the carried grade thing
10:41 < rxr> but archivista and linux intern live-cd
10:41 < morfoh> ok
10:54 < rxr> jsaw: @archivista I know have exactly the problem that the sg module is not loaded for the /dev/sg* devices e.g. needed for the scsi scanners ...
10:57 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10900 /trunk/package/network/tor/tor.desc: * updated tor (0.1.0.13 -> 0.1.0.14)
10:57 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10901 /trunk/package/multimedia/jahshaka/ (jahshaka.conf jahshaka.desc): * updated jahshaka (1.9a9 -> 2.0_RC1)
11:00 < morfoh> moin hiding sepp :)
11:01 < sepp> hi visible morfoh and all other
11:01 < sepp> :)
11:01 < morfoh> :)
11:04 < morfoh> rxr: what was the exact time t2 started as fork from rock ?
11:08 < rxr> the homepage has this somewhere ...
11:09 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/tags/2.1.0-alpha2/
11:09 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/tags/2.1.0-alpha2/NEWS
11:10 < rxr> r3594 - July the 21th - 21:55:13 MEST
11:12 < jsaw> re
11:13 < morfoh> moin jsaw :)
11:14 < jsaw> rxr: in hotplug++, input is not working correctly, but scsi should be right. You only have to add the copy constructor for vector and the operator[](int n) const { ... } thing, then it should compile fine
11:14 < jsaw> hi morfoh
11:15 < rxr> jsaw: hm - "do I want to update hotplug++ in the archivista build" ... - hm
11:17 < jsaw> rxr: btw, there's a big problem with hotplug++, it only does module loading, but no unloading...
11:17 < rxr> "yes - that is known"
11:17 < jsaw> :)
11:17 < rxr> the execution just need some load/unload bool and all will be fine -)
11:18 < rxr> to be honest I do not care about module unload - otherwise I would have long implemented it ...
11:18 < rxr> jsaw: btw. there is a big chance I'll implement the embeddedSTL streams "the right way(tm)" this month
11:19 < jsaw> so, I'll go for unloading...
11:19 < jsaw> but pls, add the copy constructor ;)
11:20 < rxr> yes - I will before lunch
11:20 < rxr> can I release the HEAD hotplug++ as 0.0.2 ?
11:20 < rxr> (or even 0.1.0?)
11:20 < jsaw> oh, another bug, in string:
11:21 < jsaw> bool operator != (...) _const_ {...}
11:21 < jsaw> same applies to == operator
11:22 < rxr> jsaw: fixed
11:23 < jsaw> :)
11:26 < rxr> jsaw: copy con for vector applied
11:26 < rxr> not checked ... though
11:27 < jsaw> (it works, only that it's not very elegant)
11:28 < jsaw> rxr: I'll remove some debug statements now, then you can release...
11:33 < rxr> so I can tag - tarball now ?
11:33 < jsaw> wait a sec...
11:34 < rxr> 0.1.0 or 0.0.2 ?
11:36 < jsaw> do you have a maching to check isapnp?
11:37 < jsaw> if not, let's go for 0.0.2
11:39 < jsaw> ohoh, error
11:40 < rxr> jsaw: ?
11:41 < jsaw> ok, go
11:42 < rxr> tag ?
11:42 < jsaw> yes
11:43 < rxr> done
11:45 < rxr> file released
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11:50 < rxr> jsaw: ehrm ?
11:51 < rxr> jsaw: scsi match will not yet load sg anyway btw. ....
11:52 < jsaw> what did I do wrong?
11:52 < rxr> your parse_modules does not add sg in any case ,-)
11:53 < rxr> is scsi_type 1 a typo?
11:53 < jsaw> oh damn
11:53 < rxr> you have type - shouldn't that be tape ?
11:53 < rxr> I have a DLT tape here for testing later ...
11:54 < jsaw> yes, that should be "tape", but this is only for reporting...
11:54 < rxr> I fix it then
11:54 < jsaw> m.type = 6; m.module = "sg"; module.push_back(m);
11:55 < rxr> have that already
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11:56 < rxr> hm - jsaw one more - cd burning needs sg as well ,-)
11:57 < jsaw> funny, I realize that hotplug (2004-09-23) is really buggy...
11:58 < rxr> where are you at right now ?
11:58 < jsaw> at the lab
11:58 < jsaw> doing some Adobe Illustrator work (right monitor) and chatting (left monitor) and typing (laptop)
11:59 < rxr> no - I meant where are you in hotplug brokenness ... ,-)
12:00 < jsaw> input.agent
12:00 < jsaw> (look for mword and dword)
12:00 < jsaw> (in input_match_bits)
12:00 < jsaw> (these variables are never updated)
12:04 < shingo--> jsaw, mnemoc tell you use distcc. tell me, do you use with other distro or only with t2?
12:05 < jsaw> shingo--: well I'm not really using it currently. I tested it some time ago and it looked fine. Currently I'm waiting for to have time to create a live-distcc-target, so that I can use the computers here in the lab over night
12:15 < morfoh> rxr: do you have an URL for the archivista OSS stuff that I can include in the sponsoring mail ?
12:17 < rxr> the archivista top level site
12:17 < rxr> http://www.archivista.ch/
12:17 < morfoh> thx :)
12:27 < CIA-9> rene * r10902 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/hotplug++.desc: * updated hotplug++ (0.0.1 -> 0.0.2)
12:39 < rxr> jsaw: we need to revisit the hotplug++ output soon - currently it outputs a lot more "noise"
12:39 < rxr> also we should not try to load modules that are already loaded IMHO
12:40 < jsaw> first yes, second: why should that matter?
12:53 < rxr> less time spent trying to load modules already loaded with the associated noise on the screen ,-)
13:01 < jsaw> well, okay, on the other hand, parsing /proc/modules -> really worth it?
13:02 < jsaw> something that bugs me more is blacklisting, but that's sth. you're not that much interested...
13:03 < rxr> well - I'm ,-)
13:03 < rxr> radeon does not work on my x86 ... ,-)
13:03 < rxr> so /me lunch - cu
13:03 < jsaw> okay.
13:04 < jsaw> so we should have a parent class, where hotplug() is implemented once, or?
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13:49 < morfoh> rxr: I've send you the first draft for the sponoring request ... any comments, correections highly welcomed ;)
13:56 < jsaw> disappearing, cu later
14:03 < morfoh> cu jsaw
14:03 < morfoh> I'll moving home ... cu later
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14:06 < rxr> ic
14:07 < rxr> rehi all
14:40 < rxr> aeiii
14:40 < rxr> damn iBook fan again at 100% spinning ...
14:40 < rxr> damn thing ...
14:45 < CIA-9> rene * r10903 /trunk/target/archivista/download.txt:
14:45 < CIA-9> * updated the avision update for the archivista target to sane-avision
14:45 < CIA-9> r264
14:49 < CIA-9> rene * r10904 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/initrdinit:
14:49 < CIA-9> * let initrdinit load the scsi sg module (for now - until we utilize
14:49 < CIA-9> hotplug++ that early on)
14:50 < rxr> have to reboot the book - constantly spinning fan is awful ...
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15:01 < keinek> hi
15:18 < CIA-9> rene * r10905 /trunk/package/x86/x86info/x86info.desc: * updated x86info (1.13 -> 1.14)
15:19 < rxr> hi keinek
15:20 < CIA-9> rene * r10906 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+.desc: * updated gtk+ (2.6.8 -> 2.6.9)
15:35 < CIA-9> rene * r10907 /trunk/package/network/whois/whois.desc: * updated whois (4.7.5 -> 4.7.6)
15:54 < CIA-9> rene * r10908 /trunk/package/gnome2/gedit/gedit.desc: * updated gedit (2.10.3 -> 2.10.4)
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16:22 < rxr> anyone alive?
16:22 < rxr> does anyone know if openssh can be used to encrypt files?
16:23 < rxr> I never have thought about this but my contractor brought this on the table ...
16:23 < rxr> of course the natural choice would be openssl ...
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16:45 < CIA-9> rene * r10909 /trunk/package/filesystem/unionfs/ (compile.patch unionfs.conf):
16:45 < CIA-9> * fixed unionfs' unionimap to correctly link against libuuid and thus
16:45 < CIA-9> all utilities are built now
16:48 < rxr> hm - again 100% iBook fan - sigh
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16:52 < rxr> time for reboot - cu
16:59 < rxr> time to hand this book to apple for repair - once again
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17:22 < morfoh> re hi
17:27 < rxr> hi
17:28 < morfoh> hi rxr ... did you had time to read the text ?
17:28 < rxr> well - barely ...
17:28 < rxr> I'll tonight or so
17:28 < morfoh> ok
17:28 < rxr> morfoh: do you have some overview about file encryption with openssl ?
17:29 < rxr> I have not yet tinkered around with it too much and need some simple asymmetric key encryption / decryption ...
17:30 < morfoh> rxr: hmmmm. sorry. same here
17:30 < morfoh> rxr: what do you want to do ?
17:32 < rxr> my contractor wants to export data on field boxes that are encrypted for the transport (with mechanical storage carried around) and imported at some server
17:33 < morfoh> rxr: wouldn't be sth. like dmcrypt better suited for that app ?
17:34 < rxr> nope - I need enc. files
17:43 < rxr> I think I'll use gpg ...
17:45 < morfoh> rxr: that is what I wanted to propose allready
17:45 < morfoh> rxr: it's very easy to use
17:46 < rxr> yes - of course I use gpg - I just wanted to know if a simple setup is possible with openssl - it seems not so
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17:53 < rxr> ok - me soon off
17:54 < rxr> cu then
17:55 < _Ragnar_> cu rxr
17:55 < _Ragnar_> openssl rxautl not what you need?
17:55 < rxr> oh - someone (minto?) broke ltrace on ppc
17:56 < _Ragnar_> rsautl
17:57 < _Ragnar_> if you have a small amount of data you can use that, otherwise gpg is way easier
17:57 < rxr> yes - big data
17:58 < rxr> I already experienced: 2465:error:0406D06E:rsa routines:RSA_padding_add_PKCS1_type_2:data too large for key size:rsa_pk1.c:151:
17:58 < rxr> and friends ,-)
17:58 < rxr> or better :-((
17:58 < rxr> thanks _Ragnar_ - cu tomorrow
17:59 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr* ciaoi & viel spass
18:02 < mnemoc> rxr: pmmx and p4 ISOs finally uploaded, i'm cp -l them to stable/2.1.0-rc2 now
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18:11 < morfoh> hey mnemoc, Ragnar :)
18:11 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
18:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: you dispeared silently yesterday ;)
18:12 < morfoh> disapeared ;)
18:12 < mnemoc> :p
18:12 < mnemoc> i did?
18:13 < morfoh> yep :p
18:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: can you ask rene for an account to rsync atholon ISOs tp gsmp?
18:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: an account for me ?
18:14 < mnemoc> morfoh: yep
18:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: I think you don't want to download it from my box :p
18:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: anyway ... it would be wasting of resources
18:15 < mnemoc> morfoh: that's why i want you to upload it directly to gsmp :)
18:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: I know :)
18:15 < mnemoc> morfoh: why? people love athlon-xp :)
18:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: I could give you an account on my box ... and the you upload the stuff frome there
18:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: anyway I wanted to do that
18:17 < mnemoc> it that case i would need to move my private key to your box :)
18:17 < mnemoc> which currently only lives on my pendrive
18:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've no problem with it :p
18:17 < mnemoc> :)
18:20 < morfoh> btw, the server trac is running on will be off for 1h at 7am CEST
18:21 < mnemoc> ok
18:21 < morfoh> they will switch to a bigger UPS in the datacenter
18:22 < mnemoc> :)
18:26 < mnemoc> i wonder if my router troubles are related to MTU or to NAT
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18:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: should we produce more rc2 ISO's besides PPC ?
18:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: or should we focus on releasing the final version
18:29 < morfoh> btw, is anbody using an external firewire HDD here ?
18:30 < morfoh> I think firewire is quite broken at least regarding most external HDD enclosures
18:31 < mnemoc> morfoh: sparc, ppc and amd64 would be nice... but i'm not sure if we can wait for them
18:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: haven't you tried to build amd64 on noisy ?
18:33 < mnemoc> i can't keep the connection to that machine
18:33 < mnemoc> same trouble i'm having to gsmp
18:34 < mnemoc> i tried reducing ppp0's mtu but didn't help
18:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: ah! yep ... you told me about that, but I forgot
18:35 < mnemoc> aaaarg!
18:35 < mnemoc> i hate this
18:35 < mnemoc> i can't even ls
18:35 < morfoh> yep ... I can imagine :/
18:36 < mnemoc> maybe it's an state trouble on my router... i'll drop the drop
18:36 * mnemoc fearing
18:37 < mnemoc> nope, didn't help
18:38 < morfoh> if an adjustement of the mtu wasn't succesful I'd suppose a problem with the stateful part
18:54 < mnemoc> on T2 FORWARD chain is widely open
18:54 < mnemoc> afaik routed packages don't pass by INPUT chain, just FORWARD
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19:03 < mnemoc> rxr: where should i upload rc2's .tar.bz2?
19:08 < mnemoc> valentin: gsmp != dl.exactcode.de ?
19:10 < valentin> mnemoc: hi
19:11 < valentin> mnemoc: no, two different machines
19:11 < mnemoc> vi valentin
19:11 < mnemoc> hi*
19:11 < valentin> gsmp is better connected
19:11 < valentin> and dl is here beside my chair
19:11 < mnemoc> valentin: can you tarball 2.1.0-rc2 and publish it there?
19:11 < mnemoc> http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/
19:11 < valentin> ouhm - mom
19:12 < valentin> there is gsmp.exactcode.de or gsmp.tfh-berlin.de ?
19:12 < mnemoc> tfh
19:13 < valentin> yes, tfh is at rxr's ex-university
19:13 < mnemoc> ex?
19:13 < valentin> so what is it you want me to do ?
19:13 < valentin> well, sort of "ex"
19:13 < mnemoc> look at http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/
19:13 < mnemoc> i need rc2 there
19:14 < valentin> and where is rc2 now ?
19:14 < mnemoc> tags/2.1.0-rc2
19:14 < mnemoc> svn co + tar jcf
19:15 < valentin> and you have no account to push it to dl yourself...
19:15 < valentin> what was the svn command again to create release-able checkouts ?
19:16 < mnemoc> valentin: i can give you my pubkey if you want to give me access :)
19:16 < mnemoc> valentin: i have access to gsmp
19:16 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:16 < mnemoc> moin _Ragnar_
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19:17 < _Ragnar_> moin mnemoc
19:32 < valentin> what was the svn command again to create release-able checkouts ? <-- no .svn stuff
19:36 < mnemoc> export
19:37 < mnemoc> valentin: rene has a CreateTarball.sh on his svn-utils
19:40 < valentin> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/tags/2.1.0-rc2'
19:40 < valentin> svn: PROPFIND of '/tags/2.1.0-rc2': 405 Method Not Allowed (http://svn.exactcode.de)
19:41 < valentin> ah, sorry forgot the t2/
19:41 < mnemoc> rxr: is ./CreateChangeSummary.sh http://svn.exactcode.de/t2 2.1.0-rc1 2.1.0-rc2 right?
19:44 < mnemoc> rxr: why do i want to get trunk changes? aren't merges enough?
19:54 < mnemoc> rxr: i got it :) for me trunk=branches/2.1
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20:25 < _Ragnar_> btw there are a lot of files in /usr/lib that should probably be in /usr/lib64 on x86_64
20:27 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: make a list on trac's wiki
20:27 < _Ragnar_> also, almost all libs for x11&co are in /usr/X11R6/lib instead of /usr/X11R6/lib64
20:28 < mnemoc> is xorg lib64 aware?
20:30 < _Ragnar_> uhm ... obviously not? :)
20:30 < mnemoc> :)
20:32 < _Ragnar_> where did this idea of moving all stuff to some lib64 dir come from anyway?
20:32 < mnemoc> no idea
20:36 < _Ragnar_> just sounds a lot easier to leave everything in lib and then just make lib32 for the few 32 bit packages O_O
20:37 < mnemoc> :)
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20:51 < minto> hi guys
20:51 < mnemoc> hi minto
20:52 < mnemoc> minto: <_Ragnar_> where did this idea of moving all stuff to some lib64 dir come from anyway? <_Ragnar_> just sounds a lot easier to leave everything in lib and then just make lib32 for the few 32 bit packages O_O
20:53 < minto> I wondered the same thing.
20:57 < minto> To me it seems having native stuff in lib and anything else that is supported somewhere else. This would give lib and lib32 instead of what we currently have.
20:57 < minto> How does this work in other archs like PPC and Sparc ?
21:04 < mnemoc> only ia32 here :)
21:15 < _Ragnar_> well one thing is ... you can see easier this way which packages still need fixing :)
21:16 < mnemoc> :)
21:17 < minto> hi _Ragnar_
21:17 < _Ragnar_> hey mnemoc
21:17 < _Ragnar_> hey minto*
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21:20 < minto> ping morfoh
21:23 < minto> morfoh: quagga is still broken. Seems like the .init file is still missing. I think this subject was also discussed early last week. :)
21:24 < mnemoc> minto: did you add the ticket on trunk?
21:24 < mnemoc> err
21:24 < mnemoc> minto: did you add the ticket on trac?
21:24 < minto> Not yet. But I will.
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21:54 < minto> issue #60 created :)
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21:54 < minto> Sleep well all. Over and out :)
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22:14 < shingo--> mnemoc, how are you? there's place with information about boot process in T2?
22:14 < mnemoc> not yet
22:14 < mnemoc> what do you need to know?
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22:32 < valentin> re
22:32 < valentin> had to calm down janna
22:32 < valentin> mnemoc: tar ball all right ?
22:38 < mnemoc> valentin: yes, i'm righting the announce mail right now
22:38 < mnemoc> valentin: thanks a lot
22:38 < valentin> :D
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22:45 < veki> join agnula
22:45 < veki> hi
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22:48 < morfoh> re
22:48 < morfoh> hi valentin
22:48 < morfoh> so what did I missed ? ;)
22:51 < mnemoc_> can you take a look into http://trac.t2-project.org/wiki/2.1-announce-draft and comment?
22:52 < morfoh> mnemoc_: okidoki :)
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22:54 < morfoh> mnemoc_: do we've a release name yet ?
22:55 < mnemoc_> first line, "final lap" any better suggestion?
22:55 < mnemoc_> valentin: comments?
22:55 < morfoh> mnemoc_: I think it's not the final lap of t2 ;)
22:55 < mnemoc_> suggestions?
22:55 < morfoh> mnemoc_: let me think ....
22:56 < mnemoc_> jsaw,mtr_,_Ragnar_: comments about that draft?
22:57 < morfoh> Commits by contributor ....
22:57 < morfoh> 266 amery
22:57 < morfoh> :D
22:57 < mnemoc_> merges
22:57 < veki> may I look at that document also?
22:57 < mnemoc_> veki: sure
22:57 < veki> ok
22:58 < morfoh> so we should honor the best release maintainer for his restless work
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22:58 < mnemoc_> nah
22:58 < morfoh> sure! basta !
22:58 < morfoh> :p
22:59 < veki> ok, it is great!!!
22:59 < morfoh> mnemoc_: I propose "Chilean Summer"
22:59 < morfoh> any other proposals ?
22:59 < veki> no, Chilean Summer is OK
22:59 < mnemoc_> i don't like country/person related names
23:00 < morfoh> mnemoc_: I know you're a decent men
23:00 < mnemoc_> O_o
23:00 < valentin> re
23:00 < veki> why not, CHile is nice country
23:00 < mnemoc_> this release includes the work of many people
23:00 < morfoh> hi vekibtw :)
23:00 < valentin> is chilenian summer nice summer ?
23:00 < veki> hi morfoh
23:01 < morfoh> mnemoc_: everybody knows that it's a community project
23:01 < mnemoc_> * There is no such nick vekibtw
23:01 * valentin reading announce draft
23:01 < mnemoc_> valentin: we are on winter anyway :)
23:01 < veki> vekibtw is mine with btw added
23:01 < veki> :)
23:02 < valentin> how about "chilean winter" ?
23:02 < mnemoc_> cold and rainy?
23:03 < veki> when French painter Sezanne lived in Aux van Province in south France and he made a lot of nice paintings. He was asked why he chosen to liive on that part of south France and not on other. He said: that he likes the light of that part of south france. So, the realtionship between men, country and creativity is fine...
23:03 < veki> if Chile is inspiring for you mnemoc that is fine :)
23:03 < mnemoc_> which wine family do you like?
23:04 < veki> I like Chardonnay, Risling,...
23:04 < veki> anyway, majority of wines are good
23:05 < valentin> i like red dornfelder
23:05 < veki> including wine software
23:05 < morfoh> valentin: ack ... dornfelder is nice
23:05 < veki> :)
23:05 < valentin> my grandparents had their own wineyard
23:05 < morfoh> I know ... a better name -> "Suggar Boy"
23:06 < morfoh> :p
23:06 < mnemoc_> pff
23:06 < valentin> and i have good connections into RLP to a distributor who sells very good dornfelder
23:06 < morfoh> mnemoc_: hehe :D
23:06 < mnemoc_> what about "Carménère" ?
23:06 < valentin> no, nothing with "XYZ boy"
23:06 < morfoh> mnemoc_: what does it mean ?
23:06 < valentin> reminds me of "little boy"
23:07 < morfoh> valentin: this was an insider joke :p
23:07 < valentin> mnemoc_: using non-utf7 chars ain't cool
23:07 < mnemoc_> carmenere is a grape variety
23:07 < valentin> hm, grape fruit...
23:07 < mnemoc_> very common here :(
23:07 < mnemoc_> wine
23:08 < mnemoc_> well, the fruit is converted into wine :)
23:08 < valentin> sweet wine or tasty wine ?
23:08 < mnemoc_> sweet
23:08 < mnemoc_> uhm
23:08 < morfoh> and the wine is becoming vinegar
23:08 < mnemoc_> i guess in the middle
23:08 < veki> sweetux is sweet tux
23:08 < valentin> rxr and i turned all kinds of fruit into vine when we were young
23:08 < mnemoc_> :)
23:09 < morfoh> valentin: same did I :)
23:09 < mnemoc_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmenere
23:09 < valentin> the only vines that were tasty were the ones from grape, apple, strawbery and honey
23:09 < valentin> we tried banana and oranges - but the outcome was horrible
23:10 < morfoh> valentin: black currant is nice too :D
23:10 < valentin> rxr did quite nice strawberry vine some years ago
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23:11 < valentin> to bad you cannot taste wine over the internet yet
23:11 < valentin> i wrote "vine" two times... :/
23:12 < morfoh> valentin: If that would be possible we would have a "Smell-Phone" too ... that would be ugly :p
23:12 < valentin> uagh...
23:12 < valentin> as long as i can turn smell function of
23:12 < morfoh> :D
23:13 < mnemoc_> comments about the draft?
23:13 < mnemoc_> comments about carmenere as code name?
23:13 < morfoh> yes ... especially if you changing the nappy :)
23:13 < morfoh> mnemoc_: yep ... that's a good name :)
23:14 < mnemoc_> http://www.cellarnotes.net/carmenere_grape.html
23:14 < valentin> i do not phone when changing nappy
23:14 < morfoh> valentin: good :)
23:14 < mnemoc_> :)
23:14 < valentin> mnemoc_: sounds nice
23:15 * morfoh votes for "carmenere"
23:15 < mnemoc_> " In recent years, many Chilean wineries have bottled Carmenere by itself but these wines are rarely worth the money in relation to many other red wines." yuck yuck
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23:15 < morfoh> mnemoc_: you're tooooooo negative :p
23:16 < veki> you should be poooooooositive :)
23:16 < mnemoc_> ok, 5
23:16 < mnemoc_> 4
23:16 < mnemoc_> 3
23:17 < mnemoc_> 2
23:17 < mnemoc_> 1
23:17 < morfoh> bingo
23:17 < mnemoc_> sent
23:17 < morfoh> :d
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23:17 < veki> :)
23:17 < mnemoc> i forgot to mention BT :(
23:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: don't worry
23:18 < mnemoc> %topic remove 2
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23:18 < mnemoc> %topic add 2 2.1.0-rc2 RELEASED
23:18 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | rc2 Avant Premier at http://torrent.t2-project.org/ | 2 2.1.0-rc2 RELEASED
23:18 < morfoh> oh .... this vilkacis again ... where are my silver bullets
23:18 < mnemoc> err
23:18 < mnemoc> %topic remove 5
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23:19 < mnemoc> %topic insert 2 2.1.0-rc2 RELEASED
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23:19 < mnemoc> err
23:19 < mnemoc> %topic remove 1
23:19 -!- vilkacis changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | rc2 Avant Premier at http://torrent.t2-project.org/
23:19 < mnemoc> i need to learn to use this crap
23:19 < morfoh> hmmmm ... seems that vilkacis has drunken too much carmenere
23:19 < veki> :)
23:19 < mnemoc> %list topic
23:19 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: add, change, default, fit, get, insert, list, lock, redo, remove, reorder, replace, restore, separator, set, shuffle, swap, topic, undo, and unlock
23:19 < mnemoc> %list help topic set
23:19 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: Error: 'help' is not a valid plugin.
23:19 < mnemoc> %list help topic
23:19 < valentin> mnemoc: so vilkacis was the exercise for kgb ?
23:19 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: Error: 'help' is not a valid plugin.
23:20 < mnemoc> valentin: it can be used for that purpose
23:20 < mnemoc> %topic add 2.1.0-rc2 RELEASED
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23:20 < mnemoc> %topic reorder 5 2
23:20 <@vilkacis> mnemoc: Error: All topic numbers must be specified.
23:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: seems you're friend doesn't like to accept commands from master mnemoc
23:20 < azureus> Hi all
23:21 < morfoh> hi azureus
23:21 < veki> hi
23:21 < azureus> I want to say something
23:21 < mnemoc> %topic reorder 1 5 2 3 4
23:21 < mnemoc> azureus: sure
23:21 < veki> say it
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23:22 < azureus> I have not enought time to do here anything. I have so much to do now. Sorry but I cant do anything for T"
23:22 < mnemoc> azureus: why?
23:22 < azureus> One big reason is my magazin
23:23 < azureus> the other one is school
23:23 < azureus> When I will have more time, I will came back
23:24 < veki> ok, you are welcome, I will think on you :)
23:25 < mnemoc> :)
23:25 < azureus> thanks ;-)
23:25 < veki> , thank you my friend :)
23:25 < azureus> Its also hard for me
23:26 < mnemoc> %topic set 5 get ISOs via BitTorrent from http://torrent.t2-project.org
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23:26 < veki> aah, yes, departures are always hard, but reunion is also good sometime
23:27 < azureus> yes your right :)
23:27 < morfoh> veki: oh! now it seems we're starting some philosophic talks
23:28 < veki> If philosphy is concerned I am more close to TW Adorno, habermas and the likes.....
23:28 < veki> but, when social relationships are concerned I am more literature oriented, memory is very important thing....
23:28 < veki> nice memories are precious and they make distances less painful..
23:29 < veki> azureus, what kind o fmagazine you do?
23:30 < morfoh> veki: btw, your advices regarding the special topic were quite succesful :)
23:30 < veki> which special topic?
23:30 < morfoh> veki: I guess you know what I mean ;)
23:30 < veki> aaah. ok, great!!!
23:30 < morfoh> :)
23:31 < azureus> a Computer-Magazin
23:31 < veki> good luck , that is really important and challenging journey
23:31 < veki> which kind of Computer magazine and on which language. do you test software, haardware...
23:32 < azureus> thanks, there will bei in some days a big Profit play
23:32 < azureus> german, about hardware notebooks and software and about some other things
23:33 < azureus> http://www.pc-luchs.de/ We make currently the new website
23:34 < azureus> this site is secret, the old name was PC-HELP-CITY. But we had there some legal problems so we needed a new name
23:35 < mnemoc> azureus: is channel is loged and known by google
23:35 < mnemoc> this*
23:35 < veki> ok, great, if anyone of t2 team can be helpful think on us
23:36 < azureus> This is no problem, who will read this? The site will go online next week I think
23:37 < veki> ok, be in touch with us here:)
23:38 < azureus> I will, bye
23:38 < _Ragnar_> re
23:38 < veki> ok, bye
23:38 < veki> hi Ragnar
23:38 < azureus> and thank you for all
23:38 < veki> come back whenever you want azureus
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23:39 < _Ragnar_> hey veki
23:39 < veki> what's up in SD?
23:39 < veki> hot weather?
23:40 < morfoh> moin Ragnar
23:41 < veki> Ragnar sleeps?
23:41 < _Ragnar_> no
23:42 < _Ragnar_> not really ;) outside it is hot yea
23:44 < veki> I have seen via Google sattellite shooting of parts of SD. I have seen Free Software boulevard, Linux Lane, T2 street, Suite Bash. Is that your address:
23:44 < veki> ??
23:45 < mnemoc> %topic set 5 BT http://torrent.t2-project.org/
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23:50 < CIA-9> chris * r10910 /trunk/package/network/lighttpd/lighttpd.desc: * updated lighttpd (1.3.15 -> 1.3.16)
23:55 < veki> I have to go to sleep, cu tomorrow
23:55 < veki> cu
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23:58 < morfoh> ok ... I'll shutdown trac.t2-project.org.due to the maintenance work on the UPS now
23:58 < morfoh> or does anybody have good reasons for waiting ?
23:59 < mnemoc> kill it
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