--- Log opened Mon Jul 18 00:00:00 2005
00:00 < sepp_> ok
00:00 < mnemoc_> do you think different?
00:00 < sepp_> hmm it broke my config
00:00 < mnemoc_> uhm?
00:00 < veki> I do have experience that specifici targets should be specific without too muc experimenting with package selections
00:00 < mnemoc_> what target where you using with templates??
00:01 < sepp_> and the Config deletes pkgsel feature is really strange
00:01 < sepp_> i have a backup but if not ...
00:01 < mnemoc_> were*
00:01 < mnemoc_> Config has that bad habit
00:02 < sepp_> that is really bad
00:02 < mnemoc_> in fact, i hate how Config was designed
00:03 < sepp_> i wasted some time finding what packages i really need to keep it small (ok i have a backup) but if not 
00:03 < mnemoc_> you have a backup on your regeressions dir
00:04 < sepp_> i have it even on cd to keep it away from config :D
00:04 < mnemoc_> on mnemosyne i did small pkgsel 'plugins' to let me control the size and features of my builds
00:04 < mnemoc_> :)
00:04 < _Ragnar_> ;)
00:05 < mnemoc_> hi _Ragnar_ 
00:13 < sepp_> i started a nptl build, let see what happens
00:15 < _Ragnar_> hey mnemoc_ :)
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00:16 < keinek> hi
00:17 < keinek> is posibble two servers in irssi?
00:18 < _Ragnar_> yes
00:19 < _Ragnar_> do /connect <2nd server> ...
00:19 < _Ragnar_> or /server add -ircnet <2nd network> ...
00:21 < keinek> thanks _Ragnar_ 
00:21 < keinek> :)
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01:03 < valentin> mnemoc_: there ?
01:08 < keinek> hi
01:08 < keinek> another question
01:08 < keinek> i need some procesor word for console.
01:08 < veki> you can use vi
01:08 < keinek> but with spell
01:08 < keinek> naaa
01:08 < keinek> no no no i dont like vi
01:08 < veki> hm, try to install nedit with Emerge-Pkg
01:08 < keinek> i want something like midnight commander but more word procesor
01:09 < keinek> well i like nedit
01:09 < keinek> but nedit dont have spell check
01:09 < veki> hm, I think that you should accept loving vi
01:09 < veki> :-)
01:09 < keinek> what about emacs?
01:10 < keinek> is easy?
01:10 < sepp_> the beast :D
01:10 < veki> vi looks strange to those who are not accustomed to it, but it is worth to learn it.  Ther is somewhere on th einternet vi command reference card so you can make it ieasier to use by using command reference card
01:10 < keinek> told me more about emacs sepp_ 
01:10 < keinek> emacs have spell check?
01:11 < veki> emacs is OK, if you like it.  However, there are battles between vi and emacs users on which one is better.  It is like battle between Rolling TSones and Beatles fans
01:11 < keinek> i will learn vi too veki ;)
01:11 < keinek> ahhh ok veki , like queen and kiss.
01:11 < veki> yes, I recommend.  It was frustrating to me 11 years ago to use it. arrrrgh
01:11 < keinek> of ford and chebrolet
01:12 < veki> but, I like it now, just some commands we do th emost.  By we I think on us who are not developers, but just modest text editing users
01:12 < sepp_> http://www.io.com/~dierdorf/vi-emacs2.jpg
01:12 < keinek> and something that can open .doc files?
01:13 < keinek> ok... sepp_ i must copy the url by hand.
01:13 < keinek> now i am in irssi
01:13 < keinek> in conole.
01:13 < keinek> :)
01:13 < veki> it must be somewhere tool that converts .doc to ascii files
01:13 < veki> try to forget about .doc.  that ias somehow ascethic discipline
01:14 < keinek> yes... but i am study with stupid people that use word.
01:14 < veki> please receive my compassion with your sufferings :-)
01:14 < keinek> and i need to read sometimes the .doc that they send me.
01:14 < valentin> mnemoc_: those bash scripts suck again :( i try to make that pkgprefix error message more verbose so we do not have to explain every user again how to fix this "record is old" message
01:15 < keinek> ok veki :D
01:15 < valentin> but i do not get around the cutting of the line containing the error
01:15 < veki> keinek: I think that here is a tool that converts .doc files to text format
01:15 < keinek> yes
01:15 < keinek> i see that
01:15 < keinek> but i need something
01:15 < keinek> that i can edit the files
01:15 < keinek> i thinks that emacs have some plugins?
01:15 < valentin> mnemoc_: breaking it in multiple lines is not easy and can be done in a very ugly way only using something like tr '#' '\n' hacks in another place
01:16 < veki> keinek:OK, then you convert from doc to text and do editing in vi and send them as tex, they can open it
01:16 < veki> tex = text
01:16 < keinek> yes... is a option.
01:16 < keinek> but i will lost all formats.
01:16 < mnemoc_> re
01:16  * mnemoc_ reading
01:17 < keinek> hi mnemoc_ 
01:17 < veki> , hm I am not sure because there are commands fro new line, new paragraph etc, in console text editing.  If you do have tables, bullets etc. then it is not easy.
01:17 < valentin> mnemoc_: why do we cut those lines at all ?
01:17 < mnemoc_> keinek: aspell is a great spell checker
01:17 < valentin> esp in places where there is no log file yet
01:17 < keinek> mnemoc_: aspell can work with emacs?
01:17 < keinek> o something like that?
01:18 < keinek> i need spell for spanish in console mode
01:18 < mnemoc_> valentin: which lines do we cut?
01:18 < keinek> and something work procesor like "word" the old D.O.S. word
01:18 < mnemoc_> keinek: vi + aspell
01:18 < veki> keinek:  I am not sure for spanish spellchecker, but go on emacs or vi sites and you will find information there about that
01:19 < valentin> mnemoc_: !> pkgprefix: arts record is old, please rebuild the packag ..
01:19 < keinek> ok, thanks veki, mnemoc_ ,and sepp_ 
01:19 < keinek> i do that
01:19 < keinek> the notebook work fine with t2 :)
01:19 < veki> keinek: it is ok, you are welcome,  Ia m glad that I can help you
01:19 < keinek> ahhh i forguet...  this is a pentium 120 mhz... 
01:19 < mnemoc_> valentin: i don't see the cut, what do you mean?
01:20 < mnemoc_> keinek: install aspell and aspell-es and enjoy
01:20 < veki> keinek: I work on 450 Mhz, and it works fine too.  I like console more and more
01:20 < valentin> the line is trimmed to 78 chars or so
01:20 < mnemoc_> valentin: if that happens, it's done by `abort`
01:20 < keinek> yes the console make me fell like 80's
01:21 < mnemoc_> valentin: clifford has the 80 chars policy
01:21 < mnemoc_> keinek: on console you can use framebuffer to get good resolutions
01:22 < veki> keinek: h, I think tha text is very powerfull staff and that peolpe leave text and go into visual field before gaining maximum from the text, since we still have medieval perception of text as passive authority. console is good example of interface which treats texts quite contemporary
01:22 < valentin> mnemoc_: but it s*cks when there is an error and i cannot read the message
01:23 < mnemoc_> is Build-Pkg using abort to say the last lines of the error log?
01:23 < valentin> it is before the error log is created
01:23 < mnemoc_> that explains the wrap
01:24 < mnemoc_> those lines can be _very_ large
01:24 < keinek> yes... you remember the art ascci?
01:24 < mnemoc_> keinek: i had a BBS for 3 years, full of ascii art
01:24 < sepp_> keinek: http://www.truth.sk/vim/vimbook-OPL.pdf + aspell ;)
01:24 < keinek> thanks sepp_ 
01:25 < valentin> it is in pkgprefix
01:25 < mnemoc_> i didn't wrap anything inside pkgprefix
01:25 < keinek> yesterday i download two videos from...
01:25 < keinek> let me see....
01:25 < veki> keinek:yes, people think that the prpoblem with text is that you have to type each leter and that it is somehow slow and clumsy.  But, that is necessity and very important one.  It keeps us p to the task of understaning task which is eneormously important in visual environements also
01:25 < valentin> mnemoc_: i will take a closer look tomorow
01:26 < mnemoc_> valentin: abort itself might be wrapping
01:26 < keinek> www.blinkenlights.de
01:26 < valentin> maybe
01:27 < valentin> ok, i'll do the output via echo 1>&2
01:27 < valentin> and only put the last line into abort ?
01:27 < valentin> but that will suck, too
01:27 < sepp_> good night all 
01:27 < keinek> that people can do animation by the windows of building.
01:27 < valentin> gn8 sepp
01:28 < valentin> i need some sleep, too
01:28 < keinek> gn8 sepp_ 
01:28 < veki> sepp: good night and thanks for good advice tonight
01:28 < mnemoc_> valentin: abort gives the color too
01:28 < valentin> keinek: i know blinkenlights, it was here in berlin
01:28 < valentin> mnemoc_: yes
01:28 < veki> ah, yes it is 1.30 AM here
01:28 < valentin> mnemoc_: but what would be an alternative ?
01:28 < mnemoc_> valentin: a not aborting 'abort' replacemente could be better
01:29 < mnemoc_> warn?
01:29 < mnemoc_> failure?
01:29 < keinek> valentin that great!
01:29 < mnemoc_> preabort?
01:29 < valentin> abort being a function ?
01:29 < keinek> the caos computer club :)
01:29 < keinek> CCC
01:29 < valentin> ah
01:29 < mnemoc_> wasn't esden playing with blinkenlights?
01:29 < valentin> it is
01:33 < valentin> mnemoc_: you can insert '\n' into abortmsg
01:33 < veki> keinek: what you study
01:34 < mnemoc_> valentin: question or afirmation?
01:34 < mnemoc_> veki: he is teacher :)
01:34 < mnemoc_> a nasty teacher, but a teacher at last
01:34 < veki> ah, sorry, so, keinek: what you teach?
01:35 < keinek> veki: now i am have a laboratory of computers.
01:35 < veki> I was teaching nformatics in music school
01:35 < keinek> veki: in one school primary of state.
01:36 < veki> keinek: so you teach kids how to use computers
01:36 < valentin> mnemoc_: afirmation
01:36 < keinek> veki: now i am study for have a certificate for be a teacher more stable.
01:36 < mnemoc_> valentin: is it cut after or before \n processing?
01:36 < keinek> veki: i help other teathers with the kids with the computers
01:36 < valentin> mnemoc_: yes
01:37 < mnemoc_> valentin: :D
01:37 < veki> keinek: OK, if I can help in anyway please feel free to contact me.  menmoc said that you are nasty teacher.  I suppose he is kidding :-)
01:38 < keinek> veki: yes is a kidding, now i have a new hobby, The Club of radio
01:38 < keinek> veki: you know, telegraphics, packet.
01:38 < veki> keinek: what kind of club is that?
01:38 < keinek> mnemoc_: how to say Radioaficionado?
01:38 < veki> keinek: you mean radio amateur stations?
01:39 < keinek> veki: yes veki, in november meanbe have a licence for radio amateur stations.
01:39 < veki> keinek:I suppose radio amateur or radio enthusiast :-)
01:39 < veki> keinek:  that is nice.  what will be use of those rdaio stations
01:40 < keinek> veki: and that people wants to talk about linux for other people, and this is great.
01:40 < mnemoc_> at least at chile, radio usage is _very_ regulated
01:40 < keinek> mnemoc_: in argentina too
01:40 < valentin> mnemoc_: is there a tool that sets linebreaks to format a text into say 75 char lines ?
01:40 < keinek> veki: always i talk about t2, and germany, and mnemoc, and linux... gnu... bla bla bla.
01:41 < veki> keinek: great, I know that some frwquencies are reserved for radioaficionado practise.  That is international regulation, but anyway it is good
01:41 < mnemoc_> valentin: i don't know any
01:41 < veki> keinek:  are you from Argentina?
01:41 < valentin> mnemoc_: i know there was some
01:41 < keinek> veki: yes, you are german?
01:42 < veki> keinek:no, I am from Serbia, south from H7ngary, north from Greece
01:42 < valentin> mnemoc_: fmt
01:42 < keinek> veki: that sound cool.
01:43 < veki> keinek: yes, I knews ome guys fro your country and I feel real compassion with your people
01:43 < keinek> veki: i think to learn more english for talk better with us.
01:43 < veki> keinek: no problem, we understand each other.  understanding is the most important! :-)
01:43 < keinek> veki: yes is true.
01:44 < keinek> veki: i have a problem with the verb
01:45 < keinek> veki: i learn only technical english
01:45 < veki> keinek:  there is a joke about Mexican gus wanting to pass US border and custom officer asked him to say a sentence with words gree, pink, yellow.  mexican guy responded with:  If telephone will say: green, greem, I will pink up th ephone and ask :yellow?
01:46 < veki> keinek: actuyally, mexican guy did have a much more healthier sould than US custom officer. That is the most important!
01:46  * _Ragnar_ didn't get that one;p
01:46 < veki> keinek:you mean joke?
01:46 < veki> ragnar: joke?
01:47 < keinek> veki: yes confunsing yellow with hello.
01:47 < _Ragnar_> yes
01:47 < keinek> :D
01:47 < mnemoc_> pink with pick and green with ring
01:47 < veki> instead of ring ring for ringing the phone, guy assumed green, green, yes
01:47 < _Ragnar_> ;p
01:48 < veki> and mexican gusy showed actually very important intelligence which US custom officer did not have
01:48 < keinek> veki: i have all i wanted, i am happy with my adsl line.
01:49 < keinek> veki: this is my passport to the word.
01:49 < keinek> world*
01:49 < veki> so, if we have that kind of intelligence, we will understand each other and not be fooled by those who checking our knowledge of grammar 
01:49 < veki> keinek: yes, that is cool.  My house is just 5 meters from ISP and I am part of their LAN :-)
01:49 < keinek> wireless?
01:50 < veki> keinek: it is wired.  I am still a bit conservative :-)
01:50 < keinek> veki: yes... me too, the wireless is so much expensive here.
01:50 < keinek> ;)
01:51 < veki> I downloaded tonight file with 7 megs per second trasnfer.  That is cool
01:51 < keinek> veki: wuauuuu
01:51 < veki> keinek: ah, yes , it is cool
01:51 < keinek> veki: in the 2003 year, i was download a Red Hat 9 by mldonkey with a 56k dial up modem :)
01:51 < veki> keinek: it is important when doing ./scripts.Download -required
01:52 < veki> keinek: so that wa sclose to nightmare?
01:52 < keinek> veki: 1 mouhnt download
01:52 < keinek> veki: only between 20:00 hs. to 8:00.
01:53 < CIA-9> valentin * r10265 /trunk/scripts/functions: * output more verbose error when no "^Prefix:" string found while calculating pkgprefix'es
01:53 < keinek> veki: but work, really works.
01:53 < veki> keinek: uuuh, that was really sh*t exhausting work
01:53 < veki> keinek: yes, I hope so
01:53 < mnemoc_> valentin: what do you think about: pkgprefix ver foo  ?
01:53 < valentin> ver foo ?
01:54 < mnemoc_> to return the version
01:54 < mnemoc_> of the installed package
01:54 < mnemoc_> some packages use their libs at $libdir/$pkg-$ver/
01:54 < mnemoc_> so extenders need to know that $ver
01:54 < valentin> you want this as an optional argument passed to the functions ?
01:55 < veki> keinek: please let me know when you will be ready for radio aficionado work so maybe I can join you from here.  I know some radioaficionados here
01:55 < mnemoc_> as prefir, bindir, ....   yes
01:55 < valentin> could be discussed
01:55 < valentin> i am not deep enough into all those helper functions
01:55 < mnemoc_> :)
01:56 < mnemoc_> brb
01:56 < valentin> and i need to sleep now because my little girl will wake us up again soon
01:56 < valentin> cu
01:56 < veki> valentin: cu
01:59 < keinek> valentin: cu
02:03 < veki> keinek: when you wil be ready to use radio stations please let me knwo, i will ask my friends to help me to establish communication with you :-)
02:04 < veki> keinek:  I will check how to use linux with radio stations.
02:06 < keinek> veki: of course ;)
02:06 < keinek> veki: some days the propagation is great to contact.
02:07 < veki> keinek: yes, please be in touch, keep me informed on that.  Great!
02:07 < keinek> veki: the first programers was radio stations people.
02:07 < veki> keinek: ah, yes :-)
02:07 < keinek> veki: i was read in the "history of Internet" by Eric Raymond.
02:08 < veki> keinek: great!
02:10 < veki> keinek: I will ask guys from radio club here how they communicate with gusy from Argentina
02:14 < keinek> veki: the sw (telegraphis) is the best mode, but only "pi pi pi", but the fone is great
02:15 < veki> keinek:OK, I have sent E-mail to ne radioaficionado here so I expect reply these days
02:16 < keinek> fine
02:17 < veki> keinek: yes, we wil be in touch
02:20 < keinek> veki: yes, we will be in touch
02:20 < keinek> that is a great channel dont you?
02:21 < veki> keinek: ah, yes :-)
02:22 < veki> keinek: look at www.eham.net
02:22 < veki> keinek:  there must be Linux part of it
02:24 < keinek> veki: yes linux have the AX25 protocol :)
02:25 < veki> keinek:yes, ther must be Linux HAm how to
02:28 < veki> keinek: I am writing now an overview of Linux aduio applications.  i will finish it in two days.  i will go more deep in radio station aficionado issues and implementations
02:32 < keinek> veki: that sound great veki, in november i will start to transmit here.
02:32 < keinek> veki: when you finish you overview plese send me a copy
02:33 < veki> keinek:OK, I will go in September in Spain for a couple of days , but in October and November I will be here
02:35 < veki> yes, I can send you overview by E-mail.  It will be close to 2 megs .pdf file. OK?
02:35 < veki> keinek: what is your E-mail address?
02:36 < keinek> leonelsaafigueroa@yahoo.com.ar
02:37 < veki> keinek: OK, I am sending you test mail now
02:38 < keinek> veki: ok
02:38 < keinek> veki: i will repply when arrive
02:38 < veki> keinek: sent
02:41 < keinek> yes
02:41 < keinek> is here
02:41 < keinek> i reply
02:42 < veki> keinek:got it and confirmed :-)
02:42 < keinek> veki: :)
02:43 < veki> keinek: did you recently posted anything on red-handed radio or something?
02:45 < keinek> yes
02:46 < keinek> is a gnu radio show
02:46 < veki> I downloaded that file, it was like radio interview on Spanish with someone.  Was that your voice?
02:46 < keinek> but this year is very dificult to recording
02:46 < keinek> my voice is the first
02:47 < keinek> and you can understand something?
02:47 < veki> keinek: great!!! there is radio station here that is willing to broadcast program on gnu things
02:47 < veki> keinek: one good freidn of mine knows spanish ans he has helped
02:48 < keinek> veki: this years only tree programs was recording.
02:48 < keinek> i back in a minute
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02:49 < veki> keinek: there are here also laziness of media too.  But,we are struggling somehow
02:49 < keinek> www.red-handed.com.ar/index2.html
02:50 < keinek> there are the programas of year 2004
02:50 < keinek> http://www.red-handed.com.ar/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl
02:50 < veki> keinek: OK, great
02:50 < keinek> and this is new foro an programs of this year
02:50 < veki> keinek: OK, I am there
02:51 < veki> keinek:  doe sword Keinek have some meaning in your country
02:51 < keinek> no, is a error type of "leonel"
02:52 < keinek> in your country mean something?
02:53 < veki> keinek: leonel is something like lion?  I do have relative whose name is leo whic is I suppose something like Leonel
02:53 < keinek> i dont know, lion in spanish is leon.
02:54 < keinek> my friends call me "leo"
02:54 < veki> keinek: so, that is similar
02:54 < keinek> veki, yes. some friends call me "leon" too
02:55 < veki> keinek: so transcultural meanings are omnipresent everywhere
02:55 < keinek> veki, yes. but keinek was when i put my right hand wrong in the keyboard.
02:55 < veki> keinek::-)
02:56 < keinek> veki, i said "hey! that sound original"
02:57 < veki> kienke: some people call me veki though it is nick of Vedran which is my name.  vedran is something like sunny, smiley, obvious, funny or something like that
02:57 < keinek> veki, veki is a mini way to say vedran?
02:58 < veki> keinek: yes, it is ?
02:58 < veki> yes, it is a sort of nick when you like someone , like leo from Leone
02:58 < keinek> veki, i understand.
02:59 < veki> keinek:  Like Mickey from Michael or something like that
03:00 < veki> keinek: my family name is Vucic which is little wolf
03:01 < keinek> my father is from europe , spain.
03:02 < keinek> Saafigueroa.
03:02 < veki> keinek: hm, which part of Spain?
03:03 < veki> keinek: which region in Spain?
03:03 < veki> keinek: I am going to extremadura in September
03:05 < keinek> he is from galicia
03:05 < keinek> i will back in a minute.
03:06 < veki> keinek:ah, yes. I am going to visit Extremadura.  they deployed massively Linux in their schools, enterprises etc.  They call it Linex
03:11 < veki> keinek:hm, galicia is north from portugal, right on the corner
03:24 < veki> keinek: I will be back in aminute.  It is 3.25 AM here. Just to snack something and to continue my work
04:37 < keinek> veki, sorry veki
04:37 < keinek> i know linex
04:38 < keinek> i talk about linex with a girl in the linuxpreview channel.
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05:01 < sparc-kly> i hate may upload . only 17kbs
05:01 < sparc-kly> :S
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09:12 < minto> moin
09:27 < CIA-9> msluis * r10266 /trunk/package/network/dbus/dbus.desc: * update dbus (0.33 -> 0.35.2)
09:31 < CIA-9> msluis * r10267 /trunk/package/network/stunnel/stunnel.desc: * update stunnel (4.10 -> 4.11)
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09:52 < veki> hi
09:53 < veki> I tried to build generic target and building of linux24package failed since it did not found X11R6.8.2-src.tar.bz.2
09:54 < veki> When I tried to download it manually, I was prompted that there is no such package 
10:09 < CIA-9> msluis * r10268 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/asterisk.desc: * update asterisk (1.0.7 -> 1.0.9)
10:13 < CIA-9> msluis * r10269 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * update imagemagick (6.2.3-0 -> 6.2.3-4)
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11:22 < karasz> moin all
11:24 < veki> moin
11:26 < veki> karasz:  I tried to build generic target and I was prompted that linux24 package failed since there is no X11R68.2-src.tar.bz.2 package.  when I tried to download it manually I was prompted that there is nosuch package on download site.
11:27 < sepp_> that is xorg
11:27 < veki> yes, but how can I solve the problem?
11:28 < sepp_> Download -cfg foo -required
11:28 < karasz> veki: I am here to learn stuff like that, unfortunately I can not advise you.
11:28 < veki> sepp_: error.log file points out X11R6... file that is not foud
11:28 < veki> karasz: OK, thanks, anyway
11:29 < veki> sepp_: that is the way how I started and everything wa ddownloaded except that X11R6... file which made problem
11:32 < veki> sepp_: thus, script should be changed to pint to other file instaed of X11R6...,; X11R6 should be included on download site or I have to ommit for now linux24 part of generic target
11:32 < sepp_> download xorg ?
11:33 < veki> hm, I can do that, but it still remins th equestion whether the build script accept it as replacement
11:34 < veki> I think that xorg is downloaded, but obviously linux 24 build script does not include it as alternative. Or I am wrong?
11:34 < sepp_> ./scripts/Download -cfg foo -required
11:35 < veki> sepp_:when I do that again it just returns me to th estarting prompt, which means that all packages that are in config file are downloaded
11:36 < sepp_> ./scripts/Download -check xorg
11:37 < veki> sepp_: I will find some workout.  I do not need linux 24 part so much.
11:40 < veki> sepp_: it seem sto me that I made some mistake.  Actually, I have done /scripts/Download -required -cfg foo instaed of ./scripts/Download -cfg foo -required
11:40 < veki> sepp:?  should that be so big problem?
11:42 < sepp_> dont know
11:44 < veki> sepp_: it actually assumes the same parameters, but results differ very much 
11:50 < sepp_> so you are downloading xorg now?
11:52 < veki> sepp_: yes, and it seems to me many other packages are being downloaded too.
12:22 < CIA-9> chris * r10270 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/prewikka.desc: * updated prewikka (0.9.0-rc7 -> 0.9.0-rc8)
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12:31 < morfoh> hi
12:33 < sepp_> hi morfoh 
12:33 < morfoh> hi sepp_ 
12:37 < sepp_> how are you flying?
12:45 < morfoh> sepp_: no ast quick as I want ;)
12:45 < morfoh> not
12:46 < morfoh> I had not much time on the weekend, and some things have to be tested before going into trunk
12:46 < morfoh> mostly some diet stuff
12:50 < CIA-9> chris * r10271 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc: * updated vserver patch for linux26 (2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc5 -> 2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6)
13:02 < karasz> hi morfoh 
13:02 < morfoh> hi karasz 
13:12 < minto> hi all
13:12 < morfoh> hi minto
13:18 < CIA-9> chris * r10272 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc: * updated vserver patch for linux26 (2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc6 -> 2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc7)
13:23 < CIA-9> msluis * r10273 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/asterisk.desc: * added checksum to asterisk (was forgotten in r10268).
13:25 < minto> morfoh: a number of error in trunkref. Unfortunately I also lot a few due to rebuilding.
13:25 < minto> http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/trunk/regressions/trunkref/regressions.html
13:30 < morfoh> minto: yes ... I see. on linux26 the loop-aes patch doesn't apply
13:32 < sepp_> there is no new version for 2.6.12 yet
13:32 < minto> morfoh: linux24 needs uudecode (sharutils), but sharutils is build later ( prio)
13:35 < morfoh> minto: if so, we could try to change the prio so, that sharutils is build before
13:36 < morfoh> sepp_: is there a way to adapt the loop-aes patch to our current kerbel version ?
13:36 < morfoh> kernel 
13:36 < minto> morfoh: I will try, same goes for rrdtool and libart_lgpl
13:37 < sepp_> hmm that is a fat patch i would rather disable it and wait for a new version
13:38 < morfoh> sepp_: perhaps this would be a wise decission on trunk, because mostly it's quite impossible to stay up to date with current linux26 version and security related patches 
13:39 < morfoh> sepp_: I think we should assure the work of these kind of patches on stable releases
13:39 < sepp_> on stable it works good
13:39 < morfoh> but this is just my personal opinion so far
13:40 < morfoh> :)
13:42 < morfoh> btw, I'm testing the update to linux 2.6.12.3 atm ... just a note, to eliminate "redundant" work
13:47 < CIA-9> msluis * r10274 /trunk/package/multimedia/libosip2/libosip2.desc: * update libosip2 (2.2.0 -> 2.2.1)
13:47 < CIA-9> chris * r10275 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.12.2 -> 2.6.12.3)
13:48 < CIA-9> chris * r10276 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc: * updated vserver patch for linux26 (2.6.12.2-vs2.0-rc7 -> 2.6.12.3-vs2.0-rc8)
13:51 < morfoh> ok cu later 
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13:57 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10277 /trunk/package/security/loop-aes/loop-aes.desc: * disabled loop-aes
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14:40 < CIA-9> chris * r10278 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated forgotten update of the version flag, sorry ;)
15:00 < CIA-9> chris * r10279 /trunk/package/base/gmp/gmp.desc: * added DIETLIBC flag to gmp
15:11 < CIA-9> chris * r10280 /trunk/package/shells/rc/ (. rc.desc): * added rc (1.7.1)
15:16 < CIA-9> chris * r10281 /trunk/package/graphic/libtiff/libtiff.desc: * updated libtiff (3.7.2 -> 3.7.3)
15:46 < minto> morfoh: I just tried a fresh reference build but linux26 is the first to fail.
15:46 < minto> http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/trunk/regressions/reference-32/log/1-linux26.err
15:49 < morfoh> package/x11/linuxwacom/wacom_26.diff <--- this patch is causing the trouble
15:51 < minto> looks like it. What will we do with it?
15:51 < sepp_> i will care about it later
15:51 < morfoh> minto: hmmm ... I propose to rename the patch to wacom_26.diff.FAILED on your working copy so far
15:52 < morfoh> and following sepp's proposal ;) 
15:52 < minto> ack
15:53 < morfoh> minto: if you could open a ticket it would be nice too ;)
15:53 < sepp_> this was new on 2.6.12.3 ?
15:54 < sepp_> the error ...
15:54 < morfoh> sepp_: I guess yes ... 
15:54 < morfoh> (2.6.12.3) <- http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/trunk/regressions/reference-32/regressions.html
15:56 < sepp_> so the new kernel version scheme will break things every week now?
15:57 < sepp_> 3rd party modules 
15:57 < morfoh> sepp_: I'm not sure if the version scheme is responsible for that
15:58 < sepp_> ;)
15:59 < morfoh> :)
16:07 < minto> created ticket #26
16:10 < minto> morfoh: What I do I need to do? Now the build complains it can't find the renamed patch.
16:10 < morfoh> ack
16:11 < minto> something with saved_patchfiles?
16:11 < morfoh> hmmm ...shit so it is hard wired and not detected automatically 
16:12 < minto> Hmm, why do I always run into shit?
16:12 < morfoh> minto: not a big deal ;)
16:13 < morfoh> try to rename pkg_linux26_post.conf -> i.e. pkg_linux26_post.conf.DISABLED or sth else you like
16:13 < morfoh> package/x11/linuxwacom/
16:16 < minto> Okay, it is running again.
16:16 < morfoh> good :)
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16:47 < mnemoc> moin
16:47 < morfoh> moin mnemoc :)
16:48 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 
16:48 < mnemoc> where have you been?
16:50 < minto> hi mnemoc
16:50 < mnemoc> hi minto 
16:52 < madtux> yar
16:53 < mnemoc> madtux!
16:55 < morfoh> hi madtux 
16:59 < CIA-9> amery * r10282 /trunk/package/kde/qt/qt.conf: * fixed qt to use it's default prefix even if it's not part of your config. (Emerge-Pkg)
17:00 < minto> huh??? What happened. Package builds fine but
17:00 < minto> reating binary package file for klear.
17:00 < minto> -> Building build/.../pkgs/klear-0.3.tar.bz2
17:00 < morfoh> openssl.conf needs a rework too
17:01 < minto>  /mnt/space/t2/trunk/build/trunkref-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-reference/TOOLCHAIN/logs/build_target_10043.log:
17:02 < minto> Are the T2 scripts still okay?
17:12 < minto> Hmm, next 26 issue? rivatv-
17:12 < minto> 0.8.5/src/saa7108e.c:301: error: structure has no member named `id'
17:12 < mnemoc> uhm
17:15 < morfoh> ok ... I'll leave you for a while ... cya later 
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17:16 < minto> Seems like morfoh is hidding after he modified linux26 ;-)
17:17 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10283 /trunk/package/x11/linuxwacom/ (pkg_linux26_post.conf wacom_26.diff): * deleted the 2.6 kernel patch, driver is in the kernel since 2.6.12
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17:38 < CIA-9> msluis * r10284 /trunk/package/multimedia/zapping/zapping.desc: * update zapping (0.9.4 -> 0.9.6)
17:41 < CIA-9> msluis * r10285 /trunk/package/multimedia/klear/klear.desc: * update klear (0.1-rc2 -> 0.3)
17:42 < CIA-9> msluis * r10286 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * update udev (058 -> 063)
17:43 < CIA-9> msluis * r10287 /trunk/package/network/iptables/iptables.desc: * update iptables (1.3.1 -> 1.3.2)
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17:52 < CIA-9> msluis * r10288 /trunk/package/network/liferea/liferea.desc: * update liferea (0.6.4b -> 0.9.3)
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18:11 < CIA-9> amery * r10289 /trunk/package/audio/jamin/ (compile.patch jamin.desc): * updated jamin (0.9.0 -> 0.95.0)
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18:26 < minto> ping morfoh
18:30 < mnemoc> ping time out
18:30 < minto> mnemoc: I guess so
18:30 < morfoh> phoning
18:30 < morfoh> re :)
18:31 < morfoh> so what's up :)
18:31 < minto> I still have problems with 2.6
18:31 < minto> This time something with riva tv
18:31 < minto> http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/trunk/regressions/reference-32/log/1-linux26.err
18:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you propose regarding our kernel upgrade problems ?
18:34 < morfoh> there are so many "hidden" patches included
18:37 < mnemoc> what do you mean by 'hidden patches'?
18:38 < morfoh> I mean so many deps, I do a kernel upgrade and it builds ... minto starts one and it builds not.
18:40 < mnemoc> that's why i haven't updated kernel on 2.1 yet, too many extensions to test before that
18:40 < mnemoc> but the trunk shall be agile 
18:40 < mnemoc> if you really want to work there you need a tunned package selection
18:41 < mnemoc> in this case, without riva-tv if you don't need it
18:41 < minto> tunning reference build?
18:42 < mnemoc> option 1) set your reference to not abort on stage 1
18:42 < mnemoc> option 2) fix riva-tv :\
18:42 < mnemoc> option 3) disable riva-tv for now
18:43 < mnemoc>    ^--- on your pkgsel
18:43 < minto> + create a trac issue
18:43 < mnemoc> sure
18:43 < mnemoc> it has to be fixed
18:43 < mnemoc> but riva-tv is not a showstoper
18:45 < CIA-9> amery * r10290 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Desktop/KDE.qt.choice: * added "No KDE, but QT" kde choice on mnemosyne
18:46 < mnemoc> morfoh: have you know anything about rene?
18:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you mean? because he is not here ?
18:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: he makes a long weekend with susan
18:48 < mnemoc> aha :)
18:48 < morfoh> hehe :)
18:48 < mnemoc> i shall do something like that soon
18:48 < morfoh> mnemoc: I want to see that :)
18:49 < mnemoc> :)
18:49 < minto> weekend?? He is on a 2 weeks vacation with Susan.
18:49 < mnemoc> outch
18:50 < morfoh> minto: really? I thought first the long weekend and after that holyday ...
18:50 < minto> But I guess he will miss us before the 2 weeks are up. :-)
18:50 < morfoh> minto: or not :)
18:50 < minto> Dunno
18:50 < morfoh> minto: but I guess he will
18:51 < minto> Seems pointless to first go for a weekend and then 2 weeks vacation right after that.
18:51 < morfoh> minto: not directly after the weekend
18:51 < minto> He did mention some extended weekend.
18:52 < minto> Maybe the new daddy amongst us know.
18:52 < minto> for sure
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19:04 < CIA-9> amery * r10291 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: * fixed src.$pkg.$config.$id change
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19:12 < keinek> hi
19:13 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
19:14 < karasz> re hi everybody
19:23 < CIA-9> amery * r10292 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: * changed ooo to disable mozilla if it's not on system
19:26 < CIA-9> amery * r10293 /branches/2.1/package/office/ooo/ (ooo.conf ooo.desc): 
19:26 < CIA-9> * merged 10083 from trunk: updated ooo (1.9-m108 -> 1.9-m110)
19:26 < CIA-9> * merged 10292 from trunk: changed ooo to disable mozilla if it's not on system
19:31 < karasz> bye evbd, have to go
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19:38 < CIA-9> amery * r10294 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.desc: * updated ooo (1.9-m110 -> 1.9-m114)
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19:56 < CIA-9> amery * r10295 /trunk/package/mail/bincimap/errno.patch: * fixed classic errno problem on lastest (1.3.4) bincimap.
20:03 < mnemoc> jsaw: rockplug said "Adding PCI" before or after playing? i got a machine frozen there :\
20:08 < mnemoc> jsaw: uhm, the device which makes it freeze, according to lspci is an USB Controller..... but this is a pmmx-200 from 1998...
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20:14 < mnemoc> minto: what do you think today about #17?
20:15 < minto> mnemoc: I was wondering what other are thinking about this issue.
20:16 < minto> others
20:17 < mnemoc> we should always use $({AR,STRIP,...})
20:17 < mnemoc> and if $STRIP already contains $(CROSS), adding it twice is a bug
20:17 < minto> So I can check it in?
20:17 < mnemoc> i think so
20:18 < minto> How about he adding default values like  STRIP?=strip just in case nothing is passed on the command line?
20:18 < minto> Or should I just forget about that?
20:18 < mnemoc> i don't get the point
20:19 < minto> If there is not STRIP on the make command line commands in the makefile will fail.
20:20 < minto> If there is a STRIP?=strip the one in the path will be used.
20:20 < minto> But this can be considered overkill, since T2 should always pass it on the command line.
20:21 < mnemoc> STRIP=strip   will always be replaced by STRIP=$STRIP from makeopt    afaik
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20:22 < minto> I didn't know about makeopt.
20:23 < mnemoc> we eval "$MAKE $makeopt" and "$MAKE $makeinstopt" on our build routine
20:24 < minto> Never mind my last remark, I was thinking of something different.
20:24 < mnemoc> :)
20:24 < minto> So adding default is overkill.
20:24 < minto> I will check it in. 
20:25 < minto> But it will have to wait till tomorrow (it is on noisy and Merlyn is already sleeping).
20:26 < mnemoc> :)
20:26 < minto> Afterwards I will also #17 as solved.
20:26 < mnemoc> :)
20:30 < morfoh> re 
20:30 < morfoh> lot of phone calls 
20:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: have you ever looked in openssl.conf ?
20:32 < morfoh> ok rhetorical question this was ... 
20:32 < morfoh> I just want to say that it's ugly
20:33 < mnemoc> i haven't :)
20:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: shame on you :)
20:33 < morfoh> ./Configure --prefix=/$prefix --openssldir=$sysconfdir $trg no-shared no-dso no-threads
20:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: but I haven't before yesterday too ;)
20:34 < morfoh> oh! this was the wrong line
20:34 < mnemoc> configscript=./Configure ?
20:34 < morfoh> yes
20:35 < morfoh> in fact "no-shared no-dso no-threads" are my changes for dietlibc build
20:35 < morfoh>  ./Configure --prefix=/$prefix --openssldir=$sysconfdir $trg shared <--- orig
20:36 < morfoh> the problem is that it will try to build always shared libraries
20:36 < mnemoc> uhm
20:37 < morfoh> my idea was to place the "confopts" in a var
20:37 < morfoh> depending on the build type
20:38 < mnemoc> on top of openssl.conf reset confopt
20:38 < mnemoc> and hook at pkg_openssl_post.conf
20:38 < mnemoc> adding your options
20:39 < mnemoc> and removing 'shared' from confopt
20:39 < morfoh> ack ... 
20:40 < morfoh> so I'll also add a test if a static build is selected 
20:41 < morfoh> so you mean adding a pkg_openssl_post.conf to the extender ?
20:41 < morfoh> i.e. dietlibc ?
20:42 < mnemoc> yep
20:42 < morfoh> why post ?
20:42 < mnemoc> before on openssl you reset confopt=
20:42 < mnemoc> err
20:42 < mnemoc> s/before/becasue/
20:42 < mnemoc> bacause
20:43 < morfoh> :)
20:43 < mnemoc> yuck
20:43 < mnemoc> because*
20:43 < morfoh> now I understand :)
20:43 < mnemoc> jsaw: can i force rockplug to skip a device?
20:45 < madtux> master mnemoc  -> http://lca2006.linux.org.au/
20:46 < mnemoc> master?
20:46 < morfoh> .oO( somebody else than me is calling mnemoc "master" )o :)
20:46 < madtux> he is a master... didn't you know?
20:47 < mnemoc> madtux: will you be there?
20:47  * mnemoc is a sucker
20:47 < madtux> mnemoc, i'm been temptated to submit papers
20:47 < morfoh> madtux: I know ... that's why I call him that way
20:47 < madtux> mnemoc, no body is asking about ur sexual habits
20:47 < mnemoc> :|
20:47 < morfoh> :D
20:48 < madtux> morfoh, when i grow up i hope i can like him
20:48 < madtux> :)
20:48 < morfoh> madtux: why ? because he is a sucker ? :)
20:48 < mnemoc> why could anyone want that?
20:49 < morfoh> mnemoc: want what ? 
20:49 < madtux> morfoh, nah because he is a great hacker
20:49 < madtux> :)
20:49 < mnemoc> pff
20:49 < madtux> ?
20:50 < morfoh> madtux: but the self-confidence is lacking a bit
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20:51 < mnemoc> hi veki 
20:51 < veki> hi
20:51 < morfoh> moin vampire 
20:51 < veki> mnemoc:  how are you doing
20:52 < veki> morfoh: moin:  I weas last night untill 3.25Am awake discussing with keinek.  he is OK :-)
20:52 < mnemoc> coooold, and you?
20:52 < madtux> morfoh, yeah... i will have to beat the hell out of him untill he raises that selfsteam
20:52 < veki> mnemoc: fine, one sleepless night more for work on t2.  There is some thing strange in t2.  It causes addicition:-)
20:52 < mnemoc> madtux: * Distributions, management and standardization <--- you can talk about T2 there :)
20:53 < morfoh> madtux: yes beat him ... 
20:53 < mnemoc> veki: :)
20:53 < morfoh> madtux: he beats me too :)
20:53 < veki> menmoc: I have done today stragnge mistake whihc resulted in strange consequence.  Actually, I wrote ./scripts/Download -required -cfg foo instead of ./scripts/Download -cfg foo --required
20:54 < mnemoc> that download required from default config
20:54 < mnemoc> downloads*
20:54 < madtux> mnemoc, u are the one to talk about t2... i am nothing... u are the stable tree maintainer
20:54 < veki> mnemoc:  And it downloaded just some packages and of course, build process failed.  When I wrote correctly, it downloaded the rest of packages and buidl proces sis going on very good so far
20:54 < morfoh> .oO( I'd like to visit new zealand too)o 
20:55 < mnemoc> madtux: i'm the stable looser
20:55 < madtux> don't think so...
20:55 < madtux> yet... u are the stable something
20:55 < veki> mnemoc: yes, but I am planning to recommmend that as footnote in new edition of manual.  I hope that Rene will accept me to help as much as I can
20:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: why are you that hard to yourself ? 
20:56 < mnemoc> veki: i doubt the handbook gets updated
20:56 < mnemoc> veki: we will have (someday) a read CMS
20:56 < mnemoc> real*
20:56 < veki> mnemoc: OK, I am willing to do that if that is OK with rene and you guys
20:56 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have to face things to solve them
20:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: you're doing a great job, btw 
20:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... of course
20:57 < mnemoc> too slow
20:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: I know what you mean ... but it will not become better if you "kick" yourself
20:58 < mnemoc> :)
20:58 < morfoh> :)
20:58 < veki> :-)
21:04 < veki> I am writing an overview of some of Linux audio applications.  If ssomeone is interesting to receive it please let me know
21:08  * mnemoc 
21:08  * mnemoc does
21:09 < veki> > i am finishing it tonight during my tonights vampire session, so I can send it to anyone upon request
21:18 < veki> I discussed these days with some radio technicians and they have told me thatt hey would liek to chekc t2 generic target, but they would like to have inside radio software such as rivendel from www.salemradiolabs.com  May we include those packages as optional
21:18 < mnemoc> sure
21:18 < mnemoc> send a patch
21:19 < veki> mnemoc: ha, ha, you are teasing me out.  You know that I am not able to do that :-)
21:19 < mnemoc> you are
21:19 < veki> But I will learn that, for sure. :-)
21:19 < mnemoc> :)
21:19 < _Ragnar_> it's easy
21:20 < veki> Ragnar: hm, everything is easy if you know how to do that.  AC
21:20 < morfoh> veki: ack to Ragnar  ... it's mostly very easy :)
21:20 < _Ragnar_> ;)
21:20 < _Ragnar_> took me about 30min to do the madwifi package
21:20 < veki> Actually, when those packages are concerned there is alsa, jack, gpio and some othe rpackages concerned.  I am not yet sure what is order of building them i.e. dependencies
21:21 < _Ragnar_> as far as I know, just add the packages, bring them to compile, and then it'll generate the cache files showing the dependencies
21:21 < veki> Hm, ok, tomorrow night some of you can drihnk a glass of cold water with sugar and be prepared for my  numerous questions OK?
21:21 < _Ragnar_> ;)
21:21 < _Ragnar_> ok
21:22 < veki> Ragnar_: OK, so do not run away tomorrow and sya Oh, again veki is asking something.  It i sbetter to walk my doggy outside untill that Tasmanian devil will pass away :-)
21:23 < _Ragnar_> =)
21:23 < _Ragnar_> *rofl*
21:23 < _Ragnar_> ok
21:23 < veki> :)
21:23 < veki> what is rofl ?
21:24 < _Ragnar_> rolls on the floor laughing
21:24 < veki> OK, thanks :-)
21:24 < veki> SO, do nto name new hurricane veki after me.
21:26 < veki> Ragnar_: in any case please have a look on www.salemradiolabs.com
21:27 < _Ragnar_> rivendell sounds kewl
21:28 < veki> yes, I installed it as rpm on Suse 9.2, it requires mysql.  I think that it may be good to have it on generic target since generic target does have alsa, jack, audacity, ardour...
21:30 < _Ragnar_> generic has everything anyway
21:31 < CIA-9> chris * r10296 /trunk/package/security/openssl/openssl.conf: * removed hard wired configure option for building shared libraries and added a small test if "shared" option should be injected
21:31 < veki> Ragnar: yes, so why not make it usable in some cpecific situations instead of Suse only choice
21:31 < _Ragnar_> =)
21:31 < veki> Ragnar_: indeed
21:41 < morfoh> besides the fact that openssl 0.9.8 broke/breaks some things it builds  mostly without any warnings on dietlibc 
21:47 < CIA-9> chris * r10297 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_openssl_post.conf: * added pkg_openssl_post.conf for injecting the right confopts while using dietlibc
21:50 < mnemoc> :)
21:50 < mnemoc> morfoh: is it working?
21:50 < morfoh> :)
21:50 < mnemoc> nice
21:50 < morfoh> great
21:50 < morfoh> just one piece is missing 
21:51 < morfoh> but it will follow soon
21:51 < morfoh> wanna do merging friendly commits ;)
21:52 < mnemoc> good
21:53 < CIA-9> chris * r10298 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/parse-config-9: * added remove_lib function
21:55 < mnemoc> kde apps look ugly without kde
21:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: umbrello ?
21:55 < mnemoc> coral
21:55 < morfoh> ic
21:55 < mnemoc> umbrello is inside KDE cow
21:56 < morfoh> yes :/
21:57 < CIA-9> chris * r10299 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/parse-config-9: * added entry for removing "-ldl" for building openssl on dietlibc
21:57 < veki> mnemoc: are they really ugly?
21:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: this was the last one for openssl on diet :)
21:58 < mnemoc> veki: looks like old motif apps
21:59 < mnemoc> morfoh: not the last one. libpcap 0.8 miss some symbols :)
21:59 < veki> mnemoc: that reminds me on dialgoe from Shrek part one: when funny donkey said:  Shrek is ugly 24/7.  But, they ar enicer within KDE?
21:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: go away ... libpcap 0.9.x is buildingon diet :p
22:00 < CIA-9> amery * r10300 /trunk/package/develop/coral/ (. coral.conf coral.desc): * added coral (0.8.0)
22:00 < mnemoc> veki: yep
22:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: why you didnÄ't want to merge tcpdump and libpcap ?
22:00 < veki> mnemoc:  good!
22:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have to finish http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/ and do those merges before thinking in merging anything else
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22:15 < mnemoc> wb rxr 
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22:16 < veki> rxr: hi
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22:18 < sepp> hi irssi reconnecting after 24h
22:18 < veki> sepp: cool
22:18 < mnemoc> :)
22:19 < mnemoc> here they do it every _27_
22:19 < sepp> 27? that is strange
22:19 < mnemoc> yep
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23:05 < sepp> 27h over?
23:06 < mnemoc_> :\
23:12 < mnemoc_> my ISP sucks
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23:16 < veki> mnemoc: yes, some ISPs are connection suckers
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23:31 < mnemoc_> some ISPs are simply suckers
23:32 < veki> mnemoc: yes, in my home I have never succeeded to connect and be on line more than 10 minutes.  THus, I migrated to my office and brought bad here so I can sleep here when necessary :-)
23:33 < mnemoc_> :)
23:33 < veki> bad = bed
23:33 < veki> fortunatelly, my office is part of LAN of one ISP that is more or less good
23:36 < mnemoc_> :)
23:36 < mnemoc_> i'm at office, i have been dropped 6 times today :(
23:36 < veki> I have sometimes very fast access here.  Fortunatelly, I am not married. Otherwise, I will be kicked out on the street since I asleep in my office and cahtting with t2 guys :-)
23:38 < morfoh> mnemoc_: so libpcap passed on 2.1. dietemb ?
23:38 < mnemoc_> :)
23:38 < mnemoc_> morfoh: libpcap does, but ppp fails when linking to it
23:39 < morfoh> ah ok 
23:39 < morfoh> mnemoc_: I'll take a look on it
23:40 < mnemoc_> thanks
23:40 < morfoh> yw
23:41 < morfoh> veki: TiP: perhaps you'll find a women which want's to live in your office ? :)
23:42 < mnemoc_> hehe
23:42 < veki> morfoh: ah yes, she must be born with ethernet connector or I have to buy her ring with Ethernet connector instead of golden ornaments
23:43 < sepp> token'ring'?
23:43 < morfoh> :D
23:43 < veki> :D
23:43 < mnemoc_> lol
23:43 < morfoh> do we have a comic artist here ?
23:44 < morfoh> he should paint some T2 channel comics :)
23:44 < veki> ah, I really believe that humor is very important thing
23:44 < morfoh> ack
23:44 < sepp> lol i started to model the t2 action figure in 3d already
23:44 < veki> A good friend of mine is very well known psychiatrist here and he says that healthy people are humorous people
23:46 < morfoh> sepp: "action jackson" :)
23:46 < sepp> no more like superman with 2 t's 
23:48 < morfoh> sepp: but what are the links between superman and T2 ?
23:49 < sepp> there is no link
23:49 < morfoh> good :)
23:49 < mnemoc_> and between T2 and crusty?
23:49 < sepp> i just like the idea of superman with 2 t's instead of the S
23:50 < morfoh> mnemoc_: crusty ?
23:50 < mnemoc_> for the simpsons
23:50 < morfoh> ah ... the guy that is used as canon ball ?
23:51 < morfoh> or no ... it was the clown ?
23:51 < mnemoc_> the clown
23:51 < mnemoc_> :\
23:51 < sepp> i have to sleep now, good night *
23:51 < morfoh> mnemoc_: what do you want to tell us ?
23:52 < morfoh> sepp: sleep well :)
23:52 < mnemoc_> nothing
23:52 < veki> sepp: good night. It i sclose to midnight. do notlose your shoe :)
23:52 < veki> like Cinderella
23:52 < morfoh> mnemoc_: good
23:53 < morfoh> mnemoc_: because crusty is always in a poor shape 
23:54 < mnemoc_> :)
23:54 < morfoh> mnemoc_: what is the name of crusty's assistent ?
23:55 < mnemoc_> bob?
23:55 < morfoh> no that was the brother I think
23:55 < morfoh> or not ?
23:56 < mnemoc_> bob 'patiño' is the assistent which bart sent to prison and he wants to kill bart
23:56 < morfoh> ah! ... good informed :)
23:57 < mnemoc_> "Sideshow Bob Terwilliger" <--- in english
23:58 < mnemoc_> http://www.thesimpsons.com/bios/bios_townspeople_sideshowbob.htm
23:58 < morfoh> mnemoc_: you should choose a mascot for T2 .... perfhaps using your infinite knowledge in history 
23:59 < mnemoc_> uhm?
23:59 < morfoh> you can invite so colorful names like "mnemosyne" ... :p
23:59 < morfoh> invent
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