--- Log opened Sun Jul 03 00:00:00 2005
00:06 < azureus> i go now to bes bye
00:06 < sepp> good night
00:06 < azureus> bes = bed
00:07 < azureus> Gn8
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00:12 < valentin> gn8 all
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03:24 < keinek> hi everbody
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08:43 < minto> Good morning all.
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10:24 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/system/regressions.html
10:33 < valentin> moin
10:35 < azureus> hi mipe and valentin
10:37 < valentin> hi azu and mipe
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11:44 < azu> I need help
11:46 < azu> I have installed the new amd version from morfohr
11:48 < azu> But he dosnt want to start KDE
11:52 < azu> Do anyone know why?
12:14 < valentin> how do you try start kde ?
12:14 < valentin> and what is the exact problem ?
12:15 < azu> after I have login, there ist written root@localhost:~#
12:16 < azu> Then i have written startx
12:16 < valentin> you installed desktop target ?
12:16 < azu> yes
12:16 < valentin> did you edit /etx/X11/xorg.conf ?
12:16 < azu> no
12:17 < valentin> desktop target has no automatic X detection
12:17 < valentin> you just have to set your device
12:17 < valentin> did you do something like that in the past ?
12:17 < azu> no
12:17 < valentin> ok
12:18 < azu> but normaly I have onbly to write startx
12:18 < azu> like on the live iso
12:18 < valentin> please explain "normaly" - at least you should specify your graphic card
12:19 < valentin> what graohic card do you have ?
12:26 < azu> Its a S3
12:30 < valentin> azu: can you enter
12:30 < valentin> lspci | grep -i ' vga' | cut -d ' ' -f 2- | cut -d : -f 2-
12:31 < valentin> or leave it
12:31 < valentin> just etid /etc/X11/xorg.conf
12:31 < valentin> and set
12:32 < valentin> Driver "s3"
12:32 < valentin> in the section
12:32 < valentin> Section "Device"
12:59 < azu> ok mom
13:02 < azu> etid /etc/X11/xorg.conf command not found
13:07 < valentin> edit
13:07 < valentin> == take your favorite text editor and edit the file
13:24 < azu> edit: command not found
13:38 < valentin> take your favorite text editor and edit the file
13:39 < valentin> nimm deinen lieblingstexteditor, oeffne die datei, aendere sie und speichern
13:45 < azu> How I can start a editor?
13:48 < valentin> what edidors did you use in the past ?
13:49 < valentin> there is for example vi and xemacs but those may be a bit unhandy for unexperienced ppl
13:49 < valentin> there are text editors that are more wordpad-like to use
13:50 < valentin> for example "joe"
13:55 < azu> I hacnt  use an editor yet
13:56 < valentin> du hast noch nie eine Textdatei bearbeitet ?
13:57 < azu> nein, zumindest nicht in T2 außer im KDE natürlich
13:57 < azu> Ich kemme mich mit den ganzen Commandos nicht aus
13:59 < azu> How could I start for example joe
13:59 < valentin> just enter "joe /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
14:00 < valentin> then move with cursor keys and so on
14:00 < valentin> i will away for some minutes now
14:00 < valentin> cu later
14:00 < azu> cu
14:01 < azu> joe: command not found
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14:43 < valentin> azu: do you still have livecd ?
14:44 < valentin> you could boot into kde using the livecd, copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf on a disc / usb stick or so....
14:46 < azu1> If I remember right, I have delete the cd today
14:47 < valentin> as root, can you enter ddcprobe ?
14:47 < valentin> or do you get "command not found" ?
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14:54 < azu1> mom
14:56 < azu1> ddcprobe: command not found
14:59 < azu1> :-(
15:10 < valentin> grep -n Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:17 < azu1> ok
15:18 < azu1> when I click enter, there is onlywritten "root@localhost~#"
15:19 < valentin> no output ?
15:19 < azu1> no
15:24 < azu1> I dont know why
15:28 < valentin> l /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:29 < azu1> ok
15:29 < azu1> there is an output
15:30 < azu1> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 June 18 18:25 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:36 < valentin> so it is empty
15:36 < valentin> seems like it had been deleted
15:42 < valentin> azu: i send you a config
15:44 < valentin> can you read emails and save an attachment to your new system allready ?
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15:46 < valentin> azu1: l /etc/X11/xorg*
15:46 < valentin> maybe there is a backup copy
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16:06 < azu> re
16:09 < azu> I had written now l ....../xorg.conf*
16:09 < azu> then there is written:
16:10 < azu> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Jun 18 18:25 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:10 < azu> and
16:11 < azu> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16519 Jun 18 18:25 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example
16:11 < valentin> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example
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16:17 < azureus> Do anyone had written something
16:18 < mipe> <azu> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16519 Jun 18 18:25 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example
16:18 < mipe> <valentin> md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example
16:18 < mipe> <-- azu lopetti (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
16:19 < azureus> thx
16:22 < azureus> ok then there is written:
16:23 < azureus> f3ff3a197a337abc633df3b288b9d509 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example
16:28 < valentin> ok that is the corret one
16:29 < azureus> so what I have to do now?
16:29 < valentin> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf{.example,}
16:31 < azureus> cp: overwrit3e "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"?
16:31 < valentin> yes
16:32 < valentin> do you copy the terminal output by hand ?
16:32 < azureus> yea
16:33 < azureus> s
16:33 < valentin> oh
16:33 < valentin> ok, take care to copy next command exactly
16:33 < azureus> ok
16:34 < valentin> sed -i 's,\(.*"fbdev".*\),#\1,g' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:34 < valentin> to be sure you did it right, do an
16:34 < valentin> grep fbdev /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:34 < valentin> after that
16:34 < valentin> should be sth like
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16:34 < valentin> #    Driver       "fbdev"
16:34 < valentin> #    Option       "fbdev" "/dev/fb/0"
16:34 < valentin> #    # The BuID is only required for multi-monitor configs or some fbdev drivers
16:34 < minto> hi *
16:34 < valentin> hi minto
16:35 < keinek> morning
16:36 < valentin> moin keinek and minto
16:36 < minto> hi valentin
16:37 < minto> good morning Keinek
16:40 < azureus>  sed -i 's,\(.*"fbdev".*\),#\1,g' /etc/X11/xorg.conf    is it right that there is no output_
16:42 < azureus> I wrote now " grep fbdev /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
16:42 < azureus>  <valentin> #    Driver       "fbdev"
16:42 < azureus> [16:34] <valentin> #    Option       "fbdev" "/dev/fb/0"
16:42 < azureus> [16:34] <valentin> #    # The BuID is only required for multi-monitor configs or some fbdev drivers
16:42 < azureus> then this is written
16:43 < azureus> HAve I to write "startx" now?
16:44 < valentin> no, just one thing
16:44 < azureus> ok
16:44 < valentin> sed -i 's,#.*Driver.*"vga" \(.*\),Driver "s3" \1,g' /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:44 < valentin> if you do a
16:45 < valentin> grep Driver | grep s3
16:45 < valentin> after that, there should be the line
16:45 < valentin> Driver "s3" # mga, ati, nv, sis, vesa ...
16:45 < valentin> then try startx
16:45 < azureus> puuhok
16:48 < valentin> puuhok ?
16:48 < valentin> azureus: normaly you just edit those lines with a text editor :)
16:49 < valentin> if you get an error when startx please tell me which one
16:50 < azureus> After I wrote \
16:50 < azureus> srz
16:50 < azureus> After I wrote grep Driver | grep s3  there is no output
16:51 < azureus> also not root@localhost:~#:
16:51 < azureus> Is this normal?
16:54 < minto> :-( For generic minimal, linux 2.6 kernel needs disktype, but disktype is prio  114.800 and kernel prio is 102.060
16:54 < valentin> grep Driver /etx/X11/xorg.conf | grep s3 
16:54 < valentin> of course
16:54 < valentin> sorry
16:54 < minto> How does this work in other targets/builds?
16:54 < azureus> so what i have to do now
16:55 < minto> This is in build stage 5
16:55 < valentin> my last desktop build i installed did not even include disktype
16:55 < minto> But did you build it?
16:55 < valentin> azureus: what happens when entering "startx"
16:55 < azureus> nothing
16:56 < azureus> after I wrote grep Driver | grep s3  thereis no root@localhost:~#
16:58 < azureus> Have i to restart the notebook now?
17:03 < azureus> Or what I have to do?
17:16 < valentin> no no restart
17:16 < valentin> nothing happens when entering startx ?
17:16 < valentin> no text output ?
17:17 < azureus> no
17:18 < azureus> after I wrote grep Driver | grep s3  there is no output
17:19 < azureus> what I can do now?
17:30 < valentin> grep Driver /etx/X11/xorg.conf | grep s3 
17:30 < valentin> no output ?
17:34 < azureus> no output
17:35 < azureus> ... /et"c".... Ithink
17:35 < azureus> and not etx
17:37 < valentin> ah jes
17:38 < valentin> yes even
17:44 < azureus> ok what i could do now
17:44 < azureus> I cant write anything
17:46 < valentin> you cant write anything ?
17:46 < azureus> no
17:47 < valentin> maybe you are stuck in a grep ?
17:47 < azureus> what I have to do?
17:50 < valentin> hitting ctrl-D
17:50 < valentin> hitting ctrl-d even
17:50 < valentin> or ctrl-c
17:58 < keinek> hi everybody
17:58 < keinek> anybody have a log of t2
17:58 < keinek> of the last month?
17:58 < keinek> i need a grep o that with everthing that i said.
17:58 < keinek> grep keinek :)
17:58 < valentin> keinek: there are logs
17:59 < keinek> i was lost my system
17:59 < valentin> http://dl.exactcode.de/irclogs/t2/
17:59 < valentin> much fun
17:59 < keinek> thanks valentin 
18:01 < azureus> I wrote now : grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep s3
18:02 < azureus> then there is written Driver "s3" # mga, ati, nv, sis, vesa ...
18:02 < valentin> yes, that is right
18:02 < valentin> and what happens when startx ?
18:02 < azureus> Error
18:03 < valentin> which error
18:03 < keinek> YEAHHHHHH!
18:03 < keinek> i found it!
18:03 < keinek> http://www28.websamba.com/radio24/index.html
18:03 < keinek> :'(
18:03 < keinek> my translating.
18:03 < keinek> T2 for spanish people.
18:04 < azureus> XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (o know processed) with 0 events remaining
18:05 < valentin> maybe your xinit settings are a bit screwed
18:05 < valentin> azureus: i have to leave now, but i will be back later tonight
18:05 < azureus> ok bye
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18:22 < veki> hi
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18:44 < azureus> hi veki
18:45 < veki> hi, I was busy these days.  I organized international conference on localization here in th eregion so I was not on line withyou guys, but I am back :-)
18:49 < veki> is there anything specially new in the last three days?
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19:31 < mnemoc> moin
19:31 < keinek> hi mnemoc
19:31 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
19:31 < keinek> New Red-Handed Radio is ready
19:31 < mnemoc> :D
19:31 < keinek> and t2 is in there.
19:33 < mnemoc> :)
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19:35 < azu> re
19:38 < keinek> mnemoc: http://projects.hsol.net/red-handed/red-handed_1.ogg
19:43 < mipe> Error logs from system-2.1.0-rc2-x86-64-athlon64-desktop:
19:43 < mipe> 673 builds total, 487 completed fine, 19 with errors.
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19:48 < mnemoc> keinek: cuanto pesa?
19:49 < keinek> Mmmm 37 megabytes.
19:49 < keinek> o something like that.
19:49 < keinek> :)
19:49 < mnemoc> )
19:49 < mnemoc> :)
19:50 < keinek> In the web page, we have a screenshot and more things about the last program.
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20:02 < keinek> I build my target... three day ago
20:02 < keinek> still in stage 5
20:02 < keinek> :)
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21:34 < azu> valentin: Are you here?
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21:36 < sepp> hi *
21:38 < azu> hi sepp
21:39 < sepp> hi azu 
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22:01 < azu> hi rxr
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22:29 < valentin> hi
22:33 < sepp> hi valentin 
22:35 < azu> hi valentin
22:36 < azu> I have the same problem....
22:38 < valentin> is there more output than XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) bla bla ?
22:40 < azu> like today afternoon
22:40 < azu> this is on the end
22:40 < azu> there is something before
22:41 < sepp> the same laptop with the live cd xorg problem?
22:41 < azu> yes
22:41 < sepp> and the via driver does not work ?
22:42 < azu> via  driver?
22:42 < sepp> in xorg.conf
22:43 < sepp> unichrome chips does not work with the xorg driver
22:43 < valentin> azu: you told me something of S3 ?
22:43 < azu> mhh
22:43 < sepp> valentin: its calles via s3 unichrome 
22:43 < azu> I thing its s3
22:44 < sepp> its fixed in trunk
22:44 < azu> This is written in the letter of the company
22:45 < azu> what I have to do?
22:45 < CIA-9> amery * r9973 /branches/2.1/misc/tools-source/fl_wrapper.c.sh: * merged 9969 from trunk: fixed fl_wrapper.c.sh for evil programs altering the environment
22:46 < sepp> you can use the vesa driver, or use the xorg from trunk
22:46 < azu> Please tell me what I have to write
22:47 < sepp> mnemoc: are you around?
22:48 < mnemoc> no
22:48 < mnemoc> :)
22:48 < sepp> hehe
22:49 < sepp> so i dont ask you if you want to merge my unichrome fix into 2.1 ;)
22:50 < mnemoc> i want, but i'll fix it before
22:50 < azu> what I have to write?
22:50 < valentin> just change the "s3" to the correct driver id in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
22:51 < mnemoc> tar xvjf $archdir/unichrome-X-r30.tar.bz2 -C programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/
22:51 < valentin> azu: does "pico" work ?
22:51 < sepp> mnemoc: why was it that bad?
22:51 < mnemoc> sepp: that dis consided harmfull
22:51 < mnemoc> it has location and version hardcoded
22:51 < sepp> ahh ok, sorry
22:51 < azu> what is pico
22:52 < mnemoc> pine composer
22:52 < sepp> with the next xorg update it will be no longer needed
22:52 < mnemoc> or 'penis' at chile
22:53 < azu> what is pine composer
22:53 < sepp> a editor
22:59 < mnemoc> sepp: i'll test it on my ref and commit the fixed version
23:01 < sepp> ok i see it should be $taropt and waht var is for the version?
23:02 < mnemoc> i have it already fixed
23:02 < mnemoc> give me some minutes
23:03 < mnemoc> you should also use match_source_file 
23:05 < sepp> ok i will check the change to see how it should be
23:07 < azu> how I can start pico?
23:09 < valentin> just type "pico"
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23:14 < sepp> hmm match_source_file is not in the handbook :(
23:15 < sepp> i grepped it ok 
23:17 < mnemoc> sepp: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/diff/xorg.diff
23:19 < sepp> ok i'll test it but a xorg build takes some time one the notebook
23:19 < mnemoc> i'm testing that 'change' on my reference right now
23:20 < sepp> ok, i just can test it on unichrome hardware
23:21 < sepp> but if it compiles it should work
23:22 < sepp> what is the -p option after match_source_file ?
23:23 < sepp> ok i asked grep ...
23:23 < mnemoc> returns the filename (with the path
23:24 < mnemoc> it's one of those nice functions i added that nobody seems to know :\
23:25 < sepp> yes please document such things
23:25 < sepp> i know documentation is boring 
23:27 < mnemoc> i did on our previous www replacement :\
23:27 < mnemoc> now i'm waiting for a final replacement before starting doing the boring stuff
23:30 < sepp> at least now i know it
23:32 < sepp> btw the stone installer still has a option to make a {j,x}fs but the boot target kernel does not support {j,x}fs
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23:32 < sepp> but i have not checked whats wrong 
23:35 < sepp> should i make a trac ticket about such things?
23:37 < mnemoc> please
23:37 < sepp> ok i was unsure if someone will read it 
23:38 < sepp> i will do so next time ;)
23:50 < mnemoc> :)
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