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00:10 < sepp> good night *
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00:43 < morfoh> good night folks :)
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02:07 < mnemoc>  <@IdleBot> mnemoc's shield was damaged by a dragon's fiery breath! mnemoc's shield loses 10% of its effectiveness.
02:07 < mnemoc>  <@IdleBot> HE EXPLODED, somewhat... This terrible calamity has slowed them 0 days, 01:26:58 from level 62.
02:08 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
02:08 < mnemoc> my lucky day
02:08 < _Ragnar_> yea
02:09 < _Ragnar_> at least it's just 1 1/2h
02:09 < _Ragnar_> not 3 days;p
02:10 < mnemoc> :)
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03:10 < lewellyn> heh. you play idlerpg, too? :)
03:10 < mnemoc> who doens't? :)
03:11 < lewellyn> http://www.gruntle.org/idlerpg/?action=detail;nick=_Lewellyn
03:11 < lewellyn> :)
03:11 < mnemoc> class:  Dork :)
03:13 < lewellyn> no one disputes my class...
03:13 < mnemoc> :)
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04:31 < lewellyn> haha. idlerpg rocks
04:31 < lewellyn> 15:40 .:@idlerpg: jk was attacked by a rabid cow. This terrible calamity has slowed them 1 day, 03:46:32 from level 74.
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05:25 < bigmatt> hey umm i ran the download script and then i ran the script that shows what files were missing and there were about 100 missing or so it looked like
05:25 < bigmatt> i ran ./scripts/Download -cfg system -required 
05:25 < bigmatt> then ran ./scripts/Download -list-missing
05:25 < bigmatt> and it showed a huge list i would post it in here but to big :)
05:26 < bigmatt> umm is there a fast way to retrieve those files or no?
05:27 < bigmatt> or am i gonna have to edit alot of package.desc files?
05:44 < bigmatt> hmm i think it was a problem on my fault didnt have cvs installed
05:44 < bigmatt> oh well time to find out
05:53 < bigmatt> ok well that only worked for one package
05:53 < bigmatt> maybe the mirrors havent been updated yet or something
06:02 < bigmatt> just looked at 2 mirrors i used and i see some of the files it says i have missing there, and they are not in my local directories
06:59 < bigmatt> well i'm using the t2-trunk from svn seems to be working very good i copied over the packages and ran the download script again and it's downloading the rest of the new sources
06:59 < bigmatt> or should i say updated sources
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09:13 < minto> moin
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09:37 < veki> hi
09:39 < veki> I tried to compile boot rescue target that is offered as an option. Compilation failed because hdparm is not downloaded and could not be compiled.
09:39 < veki> Is there any mistake in scripts or somehere else?
10:13 < veki> How should I  fix the problem?
10:15 < sepp_> the download failed for some reason, Download again
10:30 < valentin> moin
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10:31 < sepp_> moin valentin 
10:31 < valentin> moin sepp
10:40 < rxr> re
10:41 < rxr> damn - still tired after 10h of sleep ... :-(
11:06 < rxr> so - /me on the way home - cu
11:57 < rxr> re
12:04 < rxr> ouhn - seems koffice does not ship a unified i18n package anymore 
12:19 < CIA-12> rene * r9814 /trunk/package/audio/qjackctl/qjackctl.desc: * updated qjackctl (0.2.16 -> 0.2.17)
12:23 < CIA-12> sebastian * r9815 /trunk/package/graphic/sharpconstruct/ (brush.patch sharpconstruct.conf sharpconstruct.desc): * updated sharpconstruct (0.0.8 -> 0.0.9)
12:36 < rxr> Kivio (Flow-charting application):  New stencils: Nassi Schneiderman;
12:37 < rxr> ^- AAAAAAArrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh !!!!!!!!
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12:39 < morfoh> moin
12:40 < rxr> moin
12:40 < morfoh> hi rxr ... how you doing today ?
12:44 < rxr> oh - I slept far to long and was still tired ... :-(
12:44 < rxr> and the I cycled home with over conrad to grab new batteries for my bike computer - those have been 3.xx EUR, 6.90 EUR or so for both ... :-(
12:44 < CIA-12> rene * r9816 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.03 -> 2.04)
12:45 < rxr> for two tiny tiny cells quite expensive ...
12:45 < rxr> but otherwise quite well
12:47 < CIA-12> rene * r9818 /trunk/package/kde/kxdocker/kxdocker.desc: * updated kxdocker (0.33 -> 0.34)
12:47 < morfoh> rxr: indeed ... sleeping to long isn't very motivating some times
12:48 < morfoh> rxr: I read the specs / benchmarks for xen and I think I'll migrate my test bed from UML to Xen
12:48 < morfoh> rxr: it's quite impressive 
12:49 < morfoh> rxr: but unfortunately xen-tools don't build on my thinkbad :/
12:49 < morfoh> thinkbad :)
12:52 < rxr> hm - never had problem so far
12:53 < morfoh> it complains sth. about not finding gssapi .so's .... but I'll figure it out 
12:53 < CIA-12> rene * r9820 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * updated poppler (0.3.2 -> 0.3.3)
13:05 < morfoh> rxr: btw, did your svn commit/merge log parser script had problems with multi lines like in r9813 ?
13:15 < rxr> why ?=
13:16 < morfoh> rxr: is the syntax from the r9813 merge log ok for you ?
13:19 < rxr> looks ok
13:20 < morfoh> ok
13:21 < rxr> ok - so, strongswam wanted ..., right ?
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13:21 < rxr> hi mnemoc_ 
13:22 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... if possible ...
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13:59 < rxr> PCRE 6.1 
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14:03 < morfoh> rxr: but pcre 6.1 isn't available on sf.net yet
14:05 < azureus> hello
14:06 < rxr> morfoh: ? pasted freshmeat.net
14:08 < rxr> http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10938
14:10 < CIA-12> rene * r9821 /trunk/package/network/kismet/kismet.desc: * updated kismet (2005-01-R1 -> 2005-06-R1)
14:11 < CIA-12> rene * r9822 /trunk/scripts/Build-Target: 
14:11 < CIA-12> * fixed Build-Target to not try to build binary packages of stage-0
14:11 < CIA-12>  only packages in cross-build-everything targets (such as embedded
14:11 < CIA-12>  based)
14:12 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... atm. pcre 6.1 is just available here -> ftp://ftp.csx.cam.ac.uk/pub/software/programming/pcre/
14:12 < morfoh> rxr: btw, it builds here
14:12 < rxr> if you want update it ,-)
14:13 < morfoh> rxr: I've to test it before ... because some apps depending on it
14:13 < rxr> yes, that would be nice and why I did not wanted to touch it ,-)
14:13 < morfoh> haha ... :)
14:13 < morfoh> ok ... you'll take a look at strongswan and I#ll take pcre ;)
14:13 < rxr> I'll have enough to do when I bump gcc to 4.0.1 in trunk and try to get ICC 9 support integrated ...
14:14 < rxr> that will be a massive package patching week I fear
14:15 < morfoh> rxr: do you really want to move to gcc4 now ? thought that it had some performance impacts ... at least if I follow your last article in the Linux-Magazin 
14:16 < rxr> well - overall it is good, just -Os sucks ...
14:16 < rxr> but I do not rely on -Os these days
14:17 < rxr> morfoh: have you read the print issue ?
14:17 < morfoh> yes
14:17 < morfoh> why ?
14:17 < rxr> just corious
14:17 < rxr> curious
14:17 < morfoh> why curous ?
14:17 < rxr> if you meant my diagram links here or the whole article ,-)
14:18 < morfoh> I read the Linux-Magazin since its early days
14:46 < valentin> http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10935&offset=15&rows=21 <- comment number 21 :)
14:51 < morfoh> hi valentin :)
14:52 < valentin> hi morfoh 
14:53 < morfoh> valentin: btw, well written comment ;)
14:54 < valentin> i hope it will not be subject to censoring
14:57 < rxr> re
15:02 < valentin> hi rxr
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15:02 < dsoft> hiya
15:02 < valentin> hi dsoft
15:02 < morfoh> hi dsoft 
15:02 < dsoft> im gentoo user
15:03 < dsoft> that distro use source compilation, like gentoo?
15:03 < morfoh> yes
15:03 < valentin> yes
15:03 < valentin> dsoft: you read my osnews comment ?
15:03 < dsoft> what do u think about T2 vs Gentoo?
15:03 < valentin>  http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10935&offset=15&rows=21 <- comment number 21 :)
15:03 < dsoft> i dont think so, i just know about T2 in www.distrowatch.com
15:04 < dsoft> ill read it now :)
15:05 < valentin> we here think t2 is much cleaner and for t2 there has been much thought about design, whereas gentoo seems to be grown as is
15:05 < valentin> your mind may vary ,)
15:06 < dsoft> ive open mind, trying to find my prefer distro
15:06 < dsoft> at the moment its gentoo
15:06 < dsoft> maybe T2 will like me more
15:06 < morfoh> dsoft: try it ;)
15:06 < dsoft> . sorry about my crazy english, not native languaje
15:07 < morfoh> dsoft: same here ;)
15:09 < dsoft> id read about hotplug++ but i really dont know the "on road" differences between hotplug and hotplug++, it seems Live CD use hotplug++, what do u think about it?
15:10 < valentin> hotplug++ is an embedded hotplug-alike implementation, which is designed for use in the very early userspace, that is before init
15:10 < valentin> it allows a fully modular kernel
15:11 < valentin> and it uses synthezised hotplug events to establish hardware configuration on boot
15:13 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/hotplug++/
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15:41 < morfoh> fefe's gatling web server is quite nice :)
15:41 < rxr> morfoh: ack
15:41 < rxr> running here:
15:41 < morfoh> and fast ...
15:41 < morfoh> hehe :)
15:42 < rxr> http://www.bvg.de/
15:42 < rxr> grummel
15:42 < rxr> no - not there
15:42 < rxr> damn cut'n paste
15:42 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/
15:42 < morfoh> I'll use it on www2 too
15:42 < rxr> recent X versions have a strange copy'n paste "improvement" or whatever that often bites me ...
15:42 < rxr> good that that was no p0rn size I visited before -)
15:43 < morfoh> gatling for static content and using it's proxy feature redirecting to other backends
15:43 < rxr> we need to do s.th. against static modprobe and co go thru the flist wrapper and alter host filse unnoticed ....
15:48 < azureus> re
15:49 < azureus> I have try it again to installl rc1 yesterday
15:49 < azureus> but it doesnt boot grub
15:52 < rxr> what do you mean with "doesnt boot grub"?
15:53 < azureus> he doesnt load grub
15:55 < rxr> he?
15:55 < rxr> I guess after booting new=?
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15:57 < azureus> right
15:59 < rxr> guess you have not selected all the points in the grub menu in stone after installation
15:59 < rxr> as disussed yesterday or so we now this is not very user-friendly and we'll fix this soon
15:59 < azureus> I have installed grub
16:00 < azureus> an (re)create all the thing i could click on
16:00 < sepp> maybe the 32 bit grub does not work on a amd64?
16:01 < rxr> no - any 32bit software just runs fine
16:02 < azureus> I have also installed linun
16:05 < azureus> So i dont know why i cant install the rc1
16:06 < mipe> pure 32bit?
16:07 < mipe> or just the grub is 32bit?
16:08  * mipe is having massive headache
16:10 < sepp> oo you installed rc1 desktop?
16:14 < azureus> yes
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16:17 < sparc-kly> Time Elapsed:  3 minutes, and 50 seconds
16:17 < sparc-kly>  <-- build irssi in my AMD XP 2000+ 
16:17 < rxr> T2 ?
16:17 < sparc-kly> Time Elapsed:  22 minutes, and 8 seconds
16:17 < sparc-kly>  <-- in my U5 360mhz 
16:17 < sparc-kly> LOL
16:18 < sparc-kly> gentoo 
16:18 < sepp> a the file manager :)
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16:25 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-logo-new.png
16:25 < sepp> you saw my last night idea?
16:26 < morfoh> rxr: this logo looks quite good :)
16:26 < rxr> sepp: the puzzle ?
16:27 < morfoh> rxr: but ... "round corners" he like ;)
16:27 < rxr> I ?
16:27 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/t2-building_blocks.png 
16:27 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-logo-new2.png
16:27 < rxr> hehe ,-) nice
16:28 < sepp> because you talked about story behind a logo i had this idea
16:28 < rxr> sepp: I think your big ideas are great for posters and such - however I fear they are too big and comples for web-size, paper and cd and so on logos
16:29 < sepp> yes maybe
16:30 < morfoh> rxr: what do you think about a second vertical line behind the "D" ? "S|D|E" ?
16:38 < morfoh> have to go now ... cu later :)
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16:46 < valentin> rxr: what is the meaning of that vertical line ?
16:46 < valentin> personaly i think your logo is too dark - black font on dark background does not look good in print
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16:49 < valentin> hi minto 
16:53 < minto> hi valentin and all others
16:56 < valentin> stupix x86 boxes here @work - powering off due to heat problems
16:59 < jsaw> re
17:01 < jsaw> rxr: there's a little flaw in embeddedSTL fstream implementation (or usage): if initialization with std::ifstream f(name) fails (so m_f == NULL), fgetc segfaults (happens here with isapnp_subsubsystem::parse_modules on f.peek() == '#'
17:08 < jsaw> cu later ... :)
17:09 < rxr> re
17:09 < rxr> yes
17:09 < rxr> this is on my TODO
17:12 < jsaw> rxr: enabling kernel_release() in isapnp-match.cc saves the day for now
17:12 < jsaw> (done)
17:12 < jsaw> now really gone...
17:12 < rxr> cu jsaw 
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17:21 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:21 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 21 16:27:15 2005]
17:21 [Users #t2]
17:21 [ _Lewellyn] [ dsoft   ] [ minto  ] [ mtr_] [ rxr_  ] [ sparc-kly   ] 
17:21 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw    ] [ mipe   ] [ nzg ] [ sepp  ] [ sparc-kly|U5] 
17:21 [ CIA-12   ] [ lewellyn] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr ] [ SerWou] [ valentin    ] 
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17:23 < rxr> ,-)
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18:19 < CIA-9> rene * r9824 /trunk/package/filesystem/unionfs/ (4 files): 
18:19 < CIA-9> * fixed unionfs to not run depmod on the host systems /lib/modules/...
18:19 < CIA-9> * injected copyrights into unionfs/*
18:33 < CIA-9> rene * r9825 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/perl-10-fileno.patch: * removed uclibc perl patch, fixed upstream, now
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18:34 < _Ragnar_> moin
18:37 < _Ragnar_> hmmm .... how can I see which source packages each package needs to work?
18:37 < _Ragnar_> like it's not really obvious that linux26 needs pdksh
18:37 < rxr> rxr: what do you mean ?
18:37 < rxr> linux26 needs pdksh ?
18:38 < _Ragnar_> Injecting program
18:38 < _Ragnar_> s and configuration ...
18:38 < _Ragnar_> Warning: /sbin/hotplug++ is dynamically linked!
18:38 < _Ragnar_> cp: cannot stat `/bin/pdksh': No such file or directory
18:38 < _Ragnar_> Due to previous errors, no 5-linux26.log file!
18:39 < rxr> oh
18:39 < rxr> well that is the new mkinitrd ,-)
18:40 < _Ragnar_> *g*
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18:48 < valentin> drivin' home, cu
18:51 < rxr> cu
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19:05 < azureus> re
19:09 < _Ragnar_> hi
19:10 < azureus> hi ranger
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19:16 < azureus> Do you know why I cant install RC1 now?
19:17 < sepp> probably because you installed the p4 version on a amd64
19:17 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:19 < sepp> the last few chars indicate the optimization - pmmx, p4 ...
19:29 < azureus> oh I have forgot to look for this
19:30 < azureus> Is there no amd64 edition?
19:31 < sepp> no
19:31 < _Ragnar_> you can compile one tho
19:43 < azureus> How I can compile one?
19:46 < azureus> sry I have to go now
19:46 < azureus> bye
19:47 < _Ragnar_> cya
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20:47 < veki> hi
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21:18 < rxr> == 06/22/05 20:35:57 =[1]=> Finished building package strongswan.
21:19 < _Ragnar_> gssapi/gssapi.h <-- which package contains this?
21:21 < CIA-9> rene * r9826 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/ (ar-usage.patch strongswan.conf strongswan.desc): 
21:21 < CIA-9> * fixed strongswan to cross-build
21:21 < CIA-9> * injected copyrights
21:21 < CIA-9> * cleanup / reindention
21:22 < rxr> _Ragnar_: it is not on the system
21:22 < sepp> pam_krb5 should have this
21:23 < _Ragnar_> O_O
21:23  * _Ragnar_ hates pam
21:24 < valentin>  re
21:33 < lewellyn> does t2 have ab?
21:34 < rxr> ab?
21:34 < lewellyn> apache benchmark
21:34 < lewellyn> most distros don't include it with the httpd install
21:35 < rxr> i think no
21:35 < lewellyn> (including rock)
21:35 < lewellyn> though it's part of the httpd tarball
21:35 < rxr> tell me which files or make target to run and we add it ,-)
21:36 < lewellyn> its binary is "ab" :)
21:36 < lewellyn> should be in bin/
21:40 < _Ragnar_> bbl, lunch
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21:44 < tooly> Hi Valentin
21:44 < tooly> ich glaub einer hat eure seite gehackt
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21:49 < valentin> where ?
21:50 < valentin> hm
21:50 < valentin> someone hacked our page ?
21:52 < lewellyn> valentin: ?
21:52 < valentin> wikispam
21:53 < lewellyn> oh.
21:53 < lewellyn> yay reverting lots of changes :(
21:54 < valentin> MNEMOC !!
21:55 < valentin> mnemoc_: wiki still online ?
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22:27 < valentin> i will leave now, because i have to get up quite early
22:27 < valentin> tell mnemoc_ to close this wiki asap
22:27 < valentin> cu and have some nice days
22:30 < minto> Valenting: Have fun tomorrow 
22:31 < minto> rxr: you too
22:31 < valentin> minto: thank you. have some fun with rxr the day after tomorow
22:31 < minto> We will.
22:32 < minto> I hope :-)
22:34 < rxr> hi minto 
22:34 < rxr> cu va
22:34 < rxr> cu valentin 
22:35 < minto> hi rxr
22:35 < minto> rxr: what time are you leaving tomorrow?
22:36 < valentin> hi rxr
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22:37 < morfoh> hi all
22:37 < minto> Hi morfoh :-)
22:37 < morfoh> hi minto :)
22:45 < rxr> minto: in the morning?
22:45 < rxr> 7:50 at the Berlin station "Zoo"
22:45 < rxr> morfoh: fixed strongswarm
22:46 < minto> Ouhh, that's early.
22:46 < CIA-9> rene * r9827 /trunk/target/embedded/config.in: * added strongswarn to the uclibc embedded
22:47 < valentin> so, finished my wget --recursive sessions
22:47 < valentin> gn8 and cu on friday
22:47 < minto> gn8 valentin
22:50 < minto> rxr: Have I left out anything? Do need to know more for next friday?
22:56 < CIA-9> sebastian * r9828 /trunk/package/graphic/sharpconstruct/ (brush.patch sharpconstruct.desc): * updated sharpconstruct (0.0.9 -> 0.09.1)
22:56 < minto> I guess not. Well, have fun at the concert and I see you on friday.
22:57 < minto> gn8 all
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23:00 < morfoh> rxr: cool ... was it sth like a nightmare ?
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23:34 < morfoh> rxr: I've started a build of embedded fw already ... thanks for fixing strongswan :)
23:35 < rxr> no - one liner
23:53 < sepp> good night *
23:54 < _Ragnar_> nini
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