--- Log opened Mon Jun 13 00:00:00 2005 --- Day changed Mon Jun 13 2005 00:00 < lewellyn> so i can still use pata hard disks 00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :( 00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :( 00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :( 00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :( 00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :( 00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :( 00:01 < lewellyn> wow. client is being wonky. 00:02 < lewellyn> sorry if that showed up multiple times to you, too 00:03 < lewellyn> ok. this will take a few mins to burn at 4x. back in a bit... 00:09 -!- valentin-live [~valentin@port-212-202-41-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 00:09 < valentin-live> hi 00:09 < valentin-live> i think we should put irssi on @live 00:11 * lewellyn smiles at rxr 00:12 < rxr> valentin: this was also proposed by lewellyn in private mail 00:12 < rxr> valentin: wlan and serial mice all smooth ? 00:12 < valentin-live> hm, iwconfig displays 00:13 < valentin-live> Link Quality=0/0 00:13 < valentin-live> my netconf calculates a quality of 0% 00:13 < rxr> yeah - then your driver does not seem to support that yet 00:13 < valentin-live> i think it should be unknown, then ... 00:13 < rxr> goot that it does not SIGFPE ... 00:13 < rxr> valentin: fix the driver ,-) 00:13 < valentin-live> rxr: i check for zero division 00:14 < valentin-live> everything else works out of the box - besides this monitor 00:14 < valentin-live> hint: we need resolution selection 00:14 < rxr> where the monitor gets 1280x1024 or so ? 00:14 < rxr> shouldn't the matching already be smart enough to use s.th. working for that model ? 00:15 < rxr> hint: we need to clone me ? 00:16 < valentin-live> rxr: the mode is working due to ddcprobe 00:16 < valentin-live> but it is not in reality, so it is the monitors fault 00:16 < valentin-live> even ooo seems to work, but takes ages to load from cdr 00:17 < rxr> do you have to tweak it manually? I thought the latest matching would choose s.th. that works for that beast of a monitor ... 00:18 < valentin-live> nope - it did never 00:19 < valentin-live> it always takes 1280 00:19 < valentin-live> hm, ooo is not usable with 256 MB in unionfs 00:20 < valentin-live> ok, after 3 minutes it speeds up a little 00:21 < valentin-live> nice thing this live cd 00:22 < valentin-live> swap detection works, all devices pop up on the desktop ... 00:22 < rxr> .o(some devices do not yet work on click I noticed) 00:23 < rxr> valentin-live: when we polish it even more over the next weeks we have a really leading desktop experience 00:23 < valentin-live> yeah - i think installed to hd it rocks 00:23 < rxr> valentin-live: arpopos installer - would you ? 00:23 < valentin-live> this unionfs is much more usable than i thought in the beginning 00:24 < valentin-live> KDialog::Info ("To install T2, just execute tar ..... / /mnt/dest") ,) 00:26 < rxr> I think I will change the unionfs usage soon 00:27 < valentin-live> how ? 00:28 < rxr> currently not all parts are writeable - only the most important ones 00:28 < rxr> with many sperate overmoutns 00:28 < rxr> however this suchs 00:29 < rxr> I think I'll mount the cd to /media/cdrom and create a union mount over it - and then symlink all the directories in /media/cdrom - so all is writeable - and overlay /home - so with two unionmounts and less chaos we get more 00:29 < rxr> currently the cd is mounted to / and then only /usr /bin whatever are overmounted 00:30 < rxr> technically I can not overmount the whole / - that does for various reasons not work out 00:30 < rxr> oh - the live cd is on gsmp ? 00:31 < valentin-live> any test wish ? 00:31 < rxr> not really 00:32 < rxr> test tended to uncover bugs ... 00:32 < valentin-live> hm, umounting devices takes much longer than mounting them 00:32 < lewellyn> about to reboot with live cd. anything in my email which i should look for a behavioral change for? 00:32 < rxr> lewellyn: no - I had no time to work on your issues 00:32 < rxr> they will be added to the big TODO ,-) 00:32 < rxr> and worked on over the next week or so I think 00:33 < valentin-live> i'll powerdown now 00:33 < rxr> cu valentin-live 00:33 < valentin-live> hehe 00:33 < lewellyn> understood. but it seems that not much was unknown already :) 00:33 -!- valentin-live [~valentin@port-212-202-41-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit ["leaving"] 00:33 < rxr> lewellyn: nope - the most ugly problem is that some alsa drivers do not work 00:33 < rxr> and that some devices are not mountable 00:34 < lewellyn> is the second related to the errors when clicking device icons? 00:34 < rxr> yep - I mean the gui side of this 00:35 < valentin> here i am 00:35 < lewellyn> ya. that seemed really nasty 00:35 < lewellyn> re valentin 00:35 < rxr> Cpu(s): 20.2% user, 24.3% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle, 55.5% IO-wait 00:35 < rxr> how I hate io waitning boxes 00:36 < lewellyn> ya :( 00:36 < rxr> damn old crappy hardware I have standing in the world as servers ... 00:37 < valentin> so, i think we will retire for today 00:37 < rxr> we? 00:37 < rxr> I think I'll also finish the article in the morning ... 00:37 < valentin> my girl and me 00:37 < rxr> yeah - imagined that - anyway strange to see you in plural ... 00:38 < valentin> at least you can hand out the cd 00:38 < rxr> valentin: what to do with the i18n stuff ... 00:38 < rxr> damn 00:38 < valentin> we always speak in plural of ourselves ... 00:38 < valentin> damn ? 00:38 < rxr> the cd does not contain our netconf HEAD 00:39 < valentin> .oO ? you resquashed iirc 00:40 < rxr> hm - maybe I only forgot the mkgrubiso.sh ? 00:40 < valentin> hm 00:41 < valentin> well - can i help you ? otherwise i'll be away now 00:41 < rxr> no - crawl into bed ... 00:41 < rxr> cu 00:41 < lewellyn> sleep well 00:42 < rxr> did I mention I'm totally unpleased with the performance of this *donkey P2P ? 00:42 < valentin> thanx 00:42 < valentin> gn8 00:42 < _Ragnar_> rxr: why? O_O 00:43 < rxr> maybe I only download too unknown non-mainstream stuff ... 00:43 < lewellyn> rxr: it lives up to its name :) 00:43 < _Ragnar_> that is very possible 00:46 < rxr> ok - first tweak the final -gamma will have a grub menu entry to boot into runlevel 2 - that is without automatic X/kde start ... ,-) 00:46 < rxr> ok - I only forgot mkgrubiso.sh ,-) 00:46 < rxr> no requash needed - puh 00:46 < rxr> at least AFAICS at this hour 00:48 < lewellyn> new iso soon? 00:48 < rxr> yep - but only few bits differing 00:50 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new-grub4.png 00:51 < lewellyn> personally, i liked the old one better 00:52 < rxr> we really need a real logo and a bunch of artwork to base on 00:52 < lewellyn> i'll approach my gf in about 2 hours :) 00:53 < rxr> sent 2156140 bytes received 181980 bytes 9641.73 bytes/sec 00:53 < rxr> total size is 675158016 speedup is 288.76 00:54 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:54 < lewellyn> bah. stupid lame intel piix raid ahci sata crap. 00:54 < rxr> ouh oh 00:54 < rxr> 6fe0cb592c3ccae37972b34859adcfaa t2.iso 00:57 < lewellyn> there's got to be a way to make it work in combination mode 01:00 < lewellyn> oh. yay :) 01:00 < lewellyn> and it starts very quickly :) 01:01 < lewellyn> ew. error on quit: 01:01 < lewellyn> KDEInit could not launch 'ooffice1.9' 01:06 < rxr> oehm 01:06 < rxr> that did work here 01:06 -!- lewellyn_ [~live@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #t2 01:06 * lewellyn_ kicks ksirc 01:06 < lewellyn_> it worked here too. 01:07 < lewellyn_> the error was on quit 01:13 < rxr> hm 01:13 < rxr> "interesting" 01:13 < lewellyn_> were you able to duplicate? :( 01:14 < rxr> I did not quit in quemu but just pressed C-c in the controlling terminal since qemu is not too fast 01:14 < rxr> lewellyn: well - since I have not quit oo but C-c'ed qemu, ... I guess the bug is there ... 01:14 < rxr> s/guess/fear/ 01:15 < rxr> but I'm in bed in a few seconds 01:15 < rxr> finishing the article in the early morning and then starting to iterate over the bug list (and doing embedded work with T2 ...) 01:16 < lewellyn_> ya, i have about a half hour before i leave the office. and i need to get some stuff done still 01:17 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new-grub5.png 01:17 < rxr> ^- text tweak and anti-aliased puzzle pieces ... 01:18 < lewellyn_> since there is now a no X option, will there be more cli utilities available? 01:18 < lewellyn_> lynx, irssi, etc. 01:18 < lewellyn_> (not right now, mind you, just is it planned for some point) 01:21 < rxr> yes - those "tiny" utils will be added 01:21 < rxr> like links and irssi? 01:21 < lewellyn_> :) 01:21 * rxr crawling into the direction of the bed 01:21 * lewellyn_ prefers lynx, but eh :) 01:22 < lewellyn_> sleep well rxr. 01:22 < lewellyn_> this version "feels" more solid somehow 01:23 < rxr> == 20:37:03 =[5]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.5 2.2.0-alpha]. 01:23 < rxr> ^- sparc and still building ... 01:23 < rxr> over 3 hours already - as usual ... 01:25 < lewellyn_> there are some things i prefer to not have to build :) 01:26 < rxr> yeah - like for SPARC at all ? 01:26 < lewellyn_> nah. i like sparc. 01:26 < lewellyn_> i don't like gcc/glibc/et al. 01:26 < lewellyn_> too large and cumbersome :) 01:27 < rxr> yeah - embedded builds are cool - including gcc bootstrap but dietlibc based - 45 minutes on my Athlon for a ARM cross build which image is 2MB ... 01:27 < rxr> and not too much longer if uclibc based, -) 01:34 < rxr> oops 01:34 < rxr> blackbox just core dumped ... 01:35 < rxr> tiem to sleep -- cu 01:35 < lewellyn_> sleep well 01:37 * lewellyn_ heads off to dinner 01:37 -!- lewellyn_ [~live@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 01:37 -!- lewellyn [~mjl@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["Virca 1.1.20"] 02:07 -!- [lewellyn] [~mjl@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:16 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFDCD8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:50 < mnemoc_> rehi 03:54 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has joined #t2 05:14 < keinek> gambas is not in t2?? 06:34 < mnemoc_> keinek: send a patch :) 06:37 < mnemoc_> keinek: oh, you did :) what prefix does it use? /opt/gambas ? 06:40 < mnemoc_> uhm... i'll go to bed 06:40 < mnemoc_> cu 06:40 < mnemoc_> minimal-desktop is quite big... 06:41 < mnemoc_> gimp is not in my conception of 'minimal' but that's the target, i just have to build it :) 07:15 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.11.185] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:35 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 08:18 -!- lewellyn [drammock@67.169.88.98] has joined #t2 08:22 -!- lewellyn [drammock@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has quit [Client Quit] 08:26 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 08:41 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc_: X is not minimal... *shrug* :) 08:57 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 10:05 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 10:06 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:06 -!- minto_ is now known as minto 10:08 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Client Quit] 10:10 < rxr> re 11:33 < CIA-7> rene * r9644 /trunk/package/develop/gambas/ (. gambas.cache gambas.desc): 11:33 < CIA-7> keinek 11:33 < CIA-7> * added gambas (1.0.6) 11:33 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has joined #t2 11:34 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:08 < rxr> http://golem.de/0506/38593.html 12:09 < rxr> ouhm - damn companies ... helping forking khtml 12:10 < jsaw> re 12:11 < valentin> moin 12:11 < jsaw> move complete... 12:11 < jsaw> only dsl and cable tv still missing... 12:11 < jsaw> hi valentin 12:11 < rxr> moin valentin and jsaw 12:11 < jsaw> hi rxr 12:11 < jsaw> any recommendations for dsl? 12:13 < rxr> what you get in your street ,-) 12:13 < jsaw> :) 12:14 < CIA-7> rene * r9645 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc: * updated knetconf (r267 -> r270) 12:22 < valentin> http://matheplanet.com/matheplanet/nuke/html/viewtopic.php?topic=38577 12:23 < rxr> nokia and apple start to make me hate them more and more ... 12:26 < valentin> As long as nokia tells the ppl where they got their code from, i do appreciate this 12:26 < valentin> but i fear they will not mention khtml 12:27 < rxr> I wonder that they base half of their crap on gnome and the rendering on khtml 12:27 < rxr> ok - gnome has no html rendering as well as nothing powerfull anyway 12:31 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:33 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has joined #t2 12:42 < CIA-7> rene * r9646 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc: * updated knetconf (r270 -> r272) 12:44 < rxr> http://www.userinterfacehallofshame.com/index.php?p=51 12:44 < rxr> If some Software Developers built houses? 12:52 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.210.55.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 12:59 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has joined #t2 13:00 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:07 < valentin> driving to AH, see you later 13:09 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:11 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has joined #t2 13:15 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.218.181.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:39 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.135.26] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:21 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/roadmap.html 14:30 < valentin> rfe 14:30 < valentin> re even 14:37 < rxr> valentin: roadmap fine? 14:40 < CIA-7> rene * r9647 /trunk/package/base/xen-tools/xen-tools.desc: * added homepage urls to the xen-tools package 14:41 < valentin> many items - i'll take a close look later 14:55 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 14:55 < morfoh> hi all together 14:56 < rxr> hi morfoh 14:57 < CIA-7> rene * r9648 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.11.11 -> 2.6.11.12) 15:07 < morfoh> rxr: afaiks we'll need openssl for building most of the ipsec implementations regarding X.509 support 15:10 < rxr> ok - I make it cross built later 15:10 < rxr> (today) 15:14 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... thanks :) 15:17 < rxr> did some homepage roadmap work around lunch - did you had success with cms work over the weekened sss 15:17 < rxr> ? even 15:18 < rxr> and /me also shortly out for some lunch ingredients ... 15:21 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I've done some homepage work over the weekend ... I'll sync my work this evening. 15:28 < mnemoc_> rehi 15:29 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: there is a minimal, a minimal+xorg and a minimal-desktop 15:29 < morfoh> hi mnemoc_ 15:29 < mnemoc_> hi morfoh 15:39 < rxr> re 15:39 < rxr> moin morfoh n 15:39 < rxr> moin mnemoc_ 15:40 < mnemoc_> hi rxr 15:45 < valentin> hi morfoh, mnemoc_, CIA-7 15:45 < morfoh> hi valentin 15:45 < mnemoc_> hi valentin 15:46 < valentin> mnemoc_: did you vote ? 15:47 < mnemoc_> nope 15:47 < mnemoc_> how many people voted? 15:47 < mnemoc_> % 15:47 < morfoh> what a vote ? 15:48 < valentin> mnemoc_: 13% or so .. 15:48 < mnemoc_> italian voting for removing restrictions on assisted reproduction law 15:48 < mnemoc_> valentin: oh 15:49 < valentin> ok, 18.7% 15:49 < morfoh> mnemoc_: do you are an italien too ? 15:49 < mnemoc_> that should have hurt 15:49 < morfoh> italian 15:49 < mnemoc_> morfoh: i have a passport telling that :p 15:49 < mnemoc_> morfoh: but i don't know italian :p 15:50 < morfoh> mnemoc_: :D 15:58 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.8.48] has joined #t2 15:58 < keinek> hi 15:58 < keinek> :) 16:02 < mnemoc_> hi keinek 16:05 < morfoh> hi keinek 16:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: do you mail me the .cache tarball some time soon ?= 16:10 < rxr> hi keinek 16:11 < mnemoc_> rxr: i did! 16:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: i'll do it again 16:13 < rxr> you did ? 16:14 < rxr> ouhm - did not arricve 16:14 < rxr> oh - my minmal sparc 2.2 build neats the end 16:15 < mnemoc_> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/refcache-2.1-stable-r9648.tar.bz2 16:17 < rxr> oui - minimal sparc 2.2. finished 16:18 < rxr> 100%[====================================>] 58,655 18.37K/s ETA 00:00 16:18 < rxr> thanks 16:21 < mnemoc_> rxr: rsync://t2.geeks.cl/ has the iso i already finished, downloads and insync sources of trunk and 2.1 16:22 < morfoh> mnemoc_: restarted the rc1 build here too ... 16:22 < mnemoc_> morfoh: ? 16:23 < mnemoc_> rxr: good road map 16:24 < morfoh> mnemoc_: yes ... test box here freezed :/ 16:24 < morfoh> mnemoc_: what roadmap ? 16:24 < mnemoc_> morfoh: known reason? 16:24 < mnemoc_> morfoh: http://www.t2-project.org/roadmap.html 16:25 < morfoh> mnemoc_: the whole box is very unstable ... I guess it's a heating problem or so 16:25 < morfoh> have never had a box that is so unstable since years 16:27 < mnemoc_> :( 16:27 < rxr> morfoh: built by your windows colleges - what do you expect ,-) 16:27 < mnemoc_> :) 16:28 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... this is obviously true ... it was build by them :) 16:30 < rxr> +
  • revisited .cache layout
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  • revisited source checksumming so no manual -r* is needed and packages 16:30 < rxr> + are less often rebuild
    • 16:31 < rxr> commited to the roadmap right now 16:32 < morfoh> but on friday we got delivered some HP PC's here at work ... 1 had no fan mounted on the CPU (it was lingering around in the case) one another machine all power connectors for for the internal stuff like the HDD were not connected 16:32 < morfoh> that's is called QA ... 16:33 < mnemoc_> Compaq impact on HP 16:34 < rxr> .oO 16:39 -!- rxr [rene@e178162025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 16:39 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 16:39 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005] 16:39 [Users #t2] 16:39 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou ] 16:39 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ keinek ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly[u5]] 16:39 [ CIA-7 ] [ mnemoc_] [ netrunner] [ sepp_] [ valentin ] 16:39 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 16:39 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 16:39 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 7 secs 16:39 < mnemoc_> is koffice desired on minimal-desktop? 16:40 < morfoh> hmmm ... I don't know ... what was the original intention of the minimal desktop ... 16:40 < rxr> mnemoc_: nope 16:40 < rxr> we should clean up minimal desktop 16:42 < mnemoc_> should i remove office complete? 16:44 < rxr> in the minmal template? ye 16:44 < rxr> s 16:45 < mnemoc_> minimal-desktop 16:45 < mnemoc_> misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in:/ wv2 / { p; d; }; 16:46 < mnemoc_> uhm.... this template is weird 16:47 < rxr> guess it was created in the time before the desktop shrink and resembled s.th. in the way of the current desktop target 16:48 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.8.48] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:51 < mnemoc_> rxr: what should i do? will we just release minimal (pmmx,ppc) and a desktop (pmmx) for rc1? 16:51 < rxr> yes - sound good 16:55 < rxr> mnemoc_: can you mail me cdrtools dep-debug ? 16:55 < rxr> and 16:55 < rxr> libstdc++-v3 16:56 < rxr> calltree 16:56 < rxr> log4cpp 16:56 < rxr> log4cxx 16:57 < mnemoc_> i have a better idea, wait 16:57 < rxr> I only need those fews 16:57 < rxr> the others look great 16:57 < mnemoc_> ok 16:58 < rxr> how do we want to commit ? 16:58 < rxr> merging such a big thing from trunk to 2.1 is a bit painfull 16:58 < rxr> I apply to trunk and you to 2.1 ? 16:59 < morfoh> mnemoc_: should I cancel my pmmx desktop and starting a p4 optimized one ... to generate a rc1 P4 iso ? 17:00 < mnemoc_> rxr: same location, depdebug-2.1-stable-r9648.tar.bz2 17:00 < mnemoc_> morfoh: master mind told me to build just pmmx iso-s 17:01 < mnemoc_> rxr: if you tell me the 'fixes' i can commit. if not i'll have to merge :\ 17:01 < rxr> well - I'll not touch them 17:01 < rxr> you can inject them just as they are 17:01 < morfoh> mnemoc_: perhaps master mind will change it's mind regarding that case 17:01 < rxr> aside the mentioned files they look good 17:02 < rxr> and the mentioned files can either edited thereafter or be fixed in the next iteration 17:03 < mnemoc_> rxr: good 17:04 < CIA-7> amery * r9649 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in: * changed minimal-desktop.in, apr.* instead of apache; perl-xml-parser is needed for gimp; and sjog removed 17:05 < mnemoc_> morfoh: do you have any non-intel there? 17:07 < morfoh> mnemoc_: I just could build athlon iso's but no other arch's around here 17:07 < mnemoc_> morfoh: finish pmmx, and do athlon. i start p4 here 17:08 < morfoh> ok 17:08 < mnemoc_> please :) 17:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: I remove the build date and version from the .cache, ok? 17:10 < rxr> so that we do not get a change in every file in the future on a new build ... 17:10 < rxr> and also round the build-time, size and files so that they do not change on every build .. 17:10 < rxr> is this in our all interest ? 17:16 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178171040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:16 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:16 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005] 17:16 [Users #t2] 17:16 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ] 17:16 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ mnemoc_] [ netrunner] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly[u5]] 17:16 [ CIA-7 ] [ morfoh ] [ nzg ] [ sepp_] [ valentin ] 17:16 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 17:16 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:16 < rxr_> 17:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: I remove the build date and version from the .cache, ok? 17:16 < rxr_> 17:10 < rxr> so that we do not get a change in every file in the future on a new build ... 17:16 < rxr_> 17:10 < rxr> and also round the build-time, size and files so that they do not change on every build .. 17:16 < rxr_> 17:10 < rxr> is this in our all interest ? 17:16 < mnemoc_> rxr: how can we consider a .cache 'old'? 17:16 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 21 secs 17:16 < mnemoc_> packages which have not been built in years 17:16 < rxr_> mnemoc_: well - we will continously inject them - all will be recent 17:17 < mnemoc_> ok 17:17 < rxr_> otherwise svn ls or svn log or svn info is your friend ,-) 17:17 < mnemoc_> hehe 17:17 < rxr_> but .cache files differing on any rebuild are very unhandy IMHO 17:18 < mnemoc_> yes 17:19 < mnemoc_> but i think we should not keep .cache (build results) on tree, we need to keep generated .deps with attributes 17:19 < mnemoc_> but... that is... 2.3? 17:20 < rxr_> wel - we could keep the deps in the .cache - thus less many changing files and such 17:20 < rxr_> but with attributes ,-) 17:20 < rxr_> gpsdrive.cache is also interesting 17:21 < rxr_> and xscreensaver 17:21 < mnemoc_> as far as we continue cleaning .cache files _because_ they get into the tree, they loose their cache sense 17:21 < mnemoc_> do you need dep-debug of them? 17:21 < rxr_> what do you mean ? 17:21 < rxr_> yep - dep-debug of the above two 17:21 < rxr_> then I should be finished scrolling thru the diff 17:21 < mnemoc_> var/adm/cache was a picture of the build 17:22 < mnemoc_> but we keep them /in tree/ because we use them for deps 17:22 < rxr_> well - sure they are the feedback driver t2 build system data 17:23 < mnemoc_> but we don't want per-build changes, so we clean var/adm/cache to get cleaner .cache files 17:23 < rxr_> mnemoc_: the build time and such is in /var/adm/packages/ 17:23 < mnemoc_> so .cache is not longer "a picture of the build 17:23 < mnemoc_> " 17:23 < rxr_> /cache/ was started as feedback driver parameter addition - just that the file format v1 contains too much noise 17:24 < mnemoc_> sure 17:24 < mnemoc_> but what i say is that this file is not a 'cache' 17:24 -!- rxr [rene@e178162025.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:25 < mnemoc_> rxr_: re-download depdebug file 17:32 < mnemoc_> i have to go to concurrent programming, cu 17:32 < rxr_> cu 17:32 < rxr_> it still is - just without a timestamp and less noisy values 17:33 < mnemoc_> a timestamp is the most basic part of a cache :) 17:33 < rxr_> nope 17:33 < rxr_> CPU caches rather have invalidate bits and such ,-) 17:33 < mnemoc_> :) 17:34 < mnemoc_> i would like to generate a .dot file of dependencies.... just curiosity :) 17:34 < mnemoc_> cu 17:36 < valentin> mnemoc_: .dot ? like graphviz ? 17:36 < valentin> i once did that 17:38 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/stage1.ps 17:38 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/stage1b.ps 17:42 < CIA-7> rene * r9650 /trunk/package/ (1585 files in 1585 dirs): * .cache update from Alejandro's latest reference build (though for 2.1) 18:12 < rxr_> hm - the deps debug shows, that the python *.py* handling is sub-optimal 18:13 < rxr_> some packages depend on mailman and numpy for some strange .py* use ... 18:16 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 18:18 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 18:27 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:34 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF95DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 18:34 < rxr_> hi mtr_ 18:34 -!- You're now known as rxr 18:51 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AF88ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:16 < CIA-7> rene * r9651 /trunk/package/compat/libstdc++-v3/ (libstdc++-v3.cache libstdc++-v3.conf libstdc++-v3.desc): 19:16 < CIA-7> * cleaned up libstdc++-v3 as noted in the inital commit 19:16 < CIA-7> (-- fast hack alert -- ;-), that includes decustmain and patching 19:16 < CIA-7> not to fix-include any header on the system (and thus in magnitudes 19:16 < CIA-7> less dependencies ,-) 19:35 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:35 < minto> hi all 19:37 < morfoh> hi minto :) 19:38 < minto> Hi morfoh, are you new to T2. I have not seen your name before? 19:38 < morfoh> minto: you have not see this name before ;) 19:39 < valentin> minto: guess who he is ,) 19:39 * valentin driving home... 19:39 < minto> jeru? 19:39 < valentin> cu later 19:39 < valentin> good guess 19:39 < morfoh> minto: right ;) 19:40 < minto> Has your bunny bitten you, or what? 19:40 < morfoh> minto: why ? 19:40 < minto> brb 19:40 < morfoh> minto: of course he bites me every day :) 19:43 < minto> Sorry, I got a phone call. 19:43 < minto> Because the changed your name 19:44 < minto> BTW, how is your Salsa date doing? 19:44 < morfoh> minto: I changed it because I wanted to have a registered nick name ... some days before the "real" jeru showed up here and confused some people at #t2 ;) 19:45 < morfoh> minto: salsa is doing well ;) 19:45 < minto> Your right it confuses me too jeru is not jeru ? 19:46 < morfoh> minto: I'm sorry but wait some days and it will be ok :) 19:47 < minto> I guess it will. Maybe I need another vacation :-) 19:48 < morfoh> minto: but you've to take me with you on your vacation then :) 19:48 < minto> morfoh: Or maybe I should change my name too. Just to confuse people. 19:49 -!- minto is now known as misl 19:49 < morfoh> minto: it wasn't my intention to confuse my people at #t2 19:49 < misl> Just kidding 19:49 < morfoh> so how was your holiday trip ? 19:49 -!- misl is now known as minto 19:50 < minto> My trip was very nice. Went to the north of spain (Girona area) 19:50 < minto> cost brava 19:51 < minto> Three weeks of sun. 19:51 < minto> :-) 19:56 < morfoh> hehe ... oranje on tour :) 20:00 < mnemoc_> valentin: the, .dot like graphviz 20:00 < mnemoc_> valentin: yes, .dot like graphviz 20:01 < morfoh> ah! wb mnemoc_ 20:01 * morfoh moving home now ... 20:02 < mnemoc_> :) 20:02 < morfoh> mnemoc_: hopefully this damn test box will not freeze again today ... I wanna have this f*cking build done :) 20:03 < mnemoc_> morfoh: same do i :) .... what about athlon? 20:05 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 20:19 < rxr> re 20:21 < mnemoc_> rxr: did you commit my tarball unchanged? 20:21 < rxr> yep 20:22 < rxr> but I updated libstdc++-v3 since I fixed it thereafter 20:22 < rxr> the only real fix needed is the .ph 20:22 < rxr> .py* as posted to the list 20:22 < mnemoc_> good 20:32 < rxr> gtk-webcore.sf.net is a fake 20:32 < rxr> I just browse the cvs 20:32 < rxr> the only release is from last year and cvs was only touched once: 20:32 < rxr> (file) AUTHORS 1.1.1.1 3 months kkimmo Initial import (version 0.5.1). 20:35 < rxr> http://press.nokia.com/PR/200506/998214_5.html 20:39 < CIA-7> amery * r9652 /branches/2.1/package/zope/zope3/ (7 files): * merged 9630 from trunk: added zope3 (3.0.0) 21:01 < rxr> did I mention that fefe's gatling rocks? 21:02 < mnemoc_> gatling? 21:04 < mnemoc_> commiting .cache files is eternal 21:05 < rxr> tiny instang ftp/http server 21:06 < mnemoc_> like publicfile or supports cgi-s? 21:12 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFB468.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 21:12 < morfoh> re hi 21:20 < valentin> re 21:27 < morfoh> hi valentin 21:31 < rxr> public file what ? 21:31 < rxr> I think it can do cgi .. 21:46 < rxr> mnemoc_: do you also think we should chain the pkg preselection tempaltes ? 21:46 < rxr> so that minimal+xorg bases on minimal and minimal-desktop on minimal+ 21:46 < rxr> xorg ? 21:46 < rxr> and thus do not have this dublicated mess ? 21:46 < rxr> duplicated evebn 21:54 < CIA-7> amery * r9653 /branches/2.1/package/ (1585 files in 1585 dirs): * added .cache files for all packages built on my last reference build 22:01 < _Ragnar_> rxr: so how do I build an embedded t2 for my soekris now?:) 22:03 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: oh ... you've a soekris box .... :) 22:03 < _Ragnar_> yes :) it arrived today 22:03 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: cool :) 22:03 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: did you bought it in dk ? 22:03 < _Ragnar_> no, US 22:04 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: what type ? 22:06 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: btw, ./scripts/Config -cfg soekrisbox and choosing "generic embedded" ;) 22:06 < _Ragnar_> net4801 22:07 < _Ragnar_> just lacking the wireless card 22:08 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: but nice box anyway ;) 22:09 < _Ragnar_> :D 22:10 < _Ragnar_> hmmm ... it tries to build gnome on that target? O_O 22:10 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: no ... it shouldn't build any gnome stuff on embedded 22:11 < _Ragnar_> it's in the package list tho 22:11 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p54981BEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 22:15 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p5498012D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:15 -!- netrunne1 is now known as netrunner 22:15 < rxr> valentin: what where the svn coordinates for the exactedit ? 22:19 < CIA-7> rene * r9654 /trunk/package/filesystem/coda/coda.desc: * updated coda (6.0.10 -> 6.0.11) 22:41 < valentin> re 22:42 < valentin> rxr ?? 22:46 < rxr> exactedit ? just joking because xemacs hit my nerves 22:46 < valentin> ah 22:49 < morfoh> btw guys ... your exact brand is well choosen ;) 22:52 < rxr> morfoh: yeah - do you think so ? 22:53 < morfoh> yes ... I think so ... at least you can derive good product names from it ;) 22:56 < rxr> yep 22:57 < valentin> http://demo.stoppt-softwarepatente.de/ 22:59 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:00 < rxr> hehehe 23:00 < rxr> look at galtings ftp commend responses: 23:00 < rxr> Successfully transferred /home/rene/2.png at 21.11 KB/s 23:00 < rxr> SITE CHMOD 644 /write/2.png 23:00 < rxr> 550 The heck you say. 23:00 < rxr> SITE UTIME 20040910182956 /write/2.png 23:00 < rxr> 550 No, really? 23:01 < morfoh> a funny guy he is ... this fefe :) 23:07 < minto> Be careful with the exact brand. Here in the Netherlands is a company called Exact. They are a global player. 23:09 < morfoh> minto: Mr. Frits Bolkenstein will help them to fight ;) 23:10 < minto> I am off to bed now, good night all. 23:10 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]"] 23:22 < valentin> hm, michael jackson set free 23:42 < rxr> ack 23:42 < morfoh> roger that 23:44 < valentin> is that :) or :( 23:44 < morfoh> neither the one nor the other ;) 23:45 < rxr> who cares about jackson ... 23:45 < morfoh> ack :D 23:45 < rxr> except the bass and co instrument producer 23:45 < morfoh> rxr: exact(ly;) 23:49 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.8.48] has joined #t2 23:49 < keinek> hi 23:49 < morfoh> hi keinek ... how is argentina doing ? 23:50 < keinek> the weather is bad 23:52 < rxr> valentin: btw. I just notice we should allow editing simple firewall rules in netconf ... 23:52 * rxr shortly away 23:52 < rxr> but I have to finish an article and a news entry tonight 23:52 < rxr> so I'll be here for about 2 more hours ... --- Log closed Tue Jun 14 00:00:00 2005