--- Log opened Mon Jun 13 00:00:00 2005
--- Day changed Mon Jun 13 2005
00:00 < lewellyn> so i can still use pata hard disks
00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :(
00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :(
00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :(
00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :(
00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :(
00:01 < lewellyn> which i'll need to do, i think :(
00:01 < lewellyn> wow. client is being wonky.
00:02 < lewellyn> sorry if that showed up multiple times to you, too
00:03 < lewellyn> ok. this will take a few mins to burn at 4x. back in a bit...
00:09 -!- valentin-live [~valentin@port-212-202-41-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2
00:09 < valentin-live> hi
00:09 < valentin-live> i think we should put irssi on @live
00:11 * lewellyn smiles at rxr
00:12 < rxr> valentin: this was also proposed by lewellyn in private mail
00:12 < rxr> valentin: wlan and serial mice all smooth ?
00:12 < valentin-live> hm, iwconfig displays
00:13 < valentin-live> Link Quality=0/0
00:13 < valentin-live> my netconf calculates a quality of 0%
00:13 < rxr> yeah - then your driver does not seem to support that yet
00:13 < valentin-live> i think it should be unknown, then ...
00:13 < rxr> goot that it does not SIGFPE ...
00:13 < rxr> valentin: fix the driver ,-)
00:13 < valentin-live> rxr: i check for zero division
00:14 < valentin-live> everything else works out of the box - besides this monitor
00:14 < valentin-live> hint: we need resolution selection
00:14 < rxr> where the monitor gets 1280x1024 or so ?
00:14 < rxr> shouldn't the matching already be smart enough to use s.th. working for that model ?
00:15 < rxr> hint: we need to clone me ?
00:16 < valentin-live> rxr: the mode is working due to ddcprobe
00:16 < valentin-live> but it is not in reality, so it is the monitors fault
00:16 < valentin-live> even ooo seems to work, but takes ages to load from cdr
00:17 < rxr> do you have to tweak it manually? I thought the latest matching would choose s.th. that works for that beast of a monitor ...
00:18 < valentin-live> nope - it did never
00:19 < valentin-live> it always takes 1280
00:19 < valentin-live> hm, ooo is not usable with 256 MB in unionfs
00:20 < valentin-live> ok, after 3 minutes it speeds up a little
00:21 < valentin-live> nice thing this live cd
00:22 < valentin-live> swap detection works, all devices pop up on the desktop ...
00:22 < rxr> .o(some devices do not yet work on click I noticed)
00:23 < rxr> valentin-live: when we polish it even more over the next weeks we have a really leading desktop experience
00:23 < valentin-live> yeah - i think installed to hd it rocks
00:23 < rxr> valentin-live: arpopos installer - would you ?
00:23 < valentin-live> this unionfs is much more usable than i thought in the beginning
00:24 < valentin-live> KDialog::Info ("To install T2, just execute tar ..... / /mnt/dest") ,)
00:26 < rxr> I think I will change the unionfs usage soon
00:27 < valentin-live> how ?
00:28 < rxr> currently not all parts are writeable - only the most important ones
00:28 < rxr> with many sperate overmoutns
00:28 < rxr> however this suchs
00:29 < rxr> I think I'll mount the cd to /media/cdrom and create a union mount over it - and then symlink all the directories in /media/cdrom - so all is writeable - and overlay /home - so with two unionmounts and less chaos we get more
00:29 < rxr> currently the cd is mounted to / and then only /usr /bin whatever are overmounted
00:30 < rxr> technically I can not overmount the whole / - that does for various reasons not work out
00:30 < rxr> oh - the live cd is on gsmp ?
00:31 < valentin-live> any test wish ?
00:31 < rxr> not really
00:32 < rxr> test tended to uncover bugs ...
00:32 < valentin-live> hm, umounting devices takes much longer than mounting them
00:32 < lewellyn> about to reboot with live cd. anything in my email which i should look for a behavioral change for?
00:32 < rxr> lewellyn: no - I had no time to work on your issues
00:32 < rxr> they will be added to the big TODO ,-)
00:32 < rxr> and worked on over the next week or so I think
00:33 < valentin-live> i'll powerdown now
00:33 < rxr> cu valentin-live
00:33 < valentin-live> hehe
00:33 < lewellyn> understood. but it seems that not much was unknown already :)
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00:33 < rxr> lewellyn: nope - the most ugly problem is that some alsa drivers do not work
00:33 < rxr> and that some devices are not mountable
00:34 < lewellyn> is the second related to the errors when clicking device icons?
00:34 < rxr> yep - I mean the gui side of this
00:35 < valentin> here i am
00:35 < lewellyn> ya. that seemed really nasty
00:35 < lewellyn> re valentin
00:35 < rxr> Cpu(s): 20.2% user, 24.3% system, 0.0% nice, 0.0% idle, 55.5% IO-wait
00:35 < rxr> how I hate io waitning boxes
00:36 < lewellyn> ya :(
00:36 < rxr> damn old crappy hardware I have standing in the world as servers ...
00:37 < valentin> so, i think we will retire for today
00:37 < rxr> we?
00:37 < rxr> I think I'll also finish the article in the morning ...
00:37 < valentin> my girl and me
00:37 < rxr> yeah - imagined that - anyway strange to see you in plural ...
00:38 < valentin> at least you can hand out the cd
00:38 < rxr> valentin: what to do with the i18n stuff ...
00:38 < rxr> damn
00:38 < valentin> we always speak in plural of ourselves ...
00:38 < valentin> damn ?
00:38 < rxr> the cd does not contain our netconf HEAD
00:39 < valentin> .oO ? you resquashed iirc
00:40 < rxr> hm - maybe I only forgot the mkgrubiso.sh ?
00:40 < valentin> hm
00:41 < valentin> well - can i help you ? otherwise i'll be away now
00:41 < rxr> no - crawl into bed ...
00:41 < rxr> cu
00:41 < lewellyn> sleep well
00:42 < rxr> did I mention I'm totally unpleased with the performance of this *donkey P2P ?
00:42 < valentin> thanx
00:42 < valentin> gn8
00:42 < _Ragnar_> rxr: why? O_O
00:43 < rxr> maybe I only download too unknown non-mainstream stuff ...
00:43 < lewellyn> rxr: it lives up to its name :)
00:43 < _Ragnar_> that is very possible
00:46 < rxr> ok - first tweak the final -gamma will have a grub menu entry to boot into runlevel 2 - that is without automatic X/kde start ... ,-)
00:46 < rxr> ok - I only forgot mkgrubiso.sh ,-)
00:46 < rxr> no requash needed - puh
00:46 < rxr> at least AFAICS at this hour
00:48 < lewellyn> new iso soon?
00:48 < rxr> yep - but only few bits differing
00:50 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new-grub4.png
00:51 < lewellyn> personally, i liked the old one better
00:52 < rxr> we really need a real logo and a bunch of artwork to base on
00:52 < lewellyn> i'll approach my gf in about 2 hours :)
00:53 < rxr> sent 2156140 bytes received 181980 bytes 9641.73 bytes/sec
00:53 < rxr> total size is 675158016 speedup is 288.76
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00:54 < lewellyn> bah. stupid lame intel piix raid ahci sata crap.
00:54 < rxr> ouh oh
00:54 < rxr> 6fe0cb592c3ccae37972b34859adcfaa t2.iso
00:57 < lewellyn> there's got to be a way to make it work in combination mode
01:00 < lewellyn> oh. yay :)
01:00 < lewellyn> and it starts very quickly :)
01:01 < lewellyn> ew. error on quit:
01:01 < lewellyn> KDEInit could not launch 'ooffice1.9'
01:06 < rxr> oehm
01:06 < rxr> that did work here
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01:06 < lewellyn_> it worked here too.
01:07 < lewellyn_> the error was on quit
01:13 < rxr> hm
01:13 < rxr> "interesting"
01:13 < lewellyn_> were you able to duplicate? :(
01:14 < rxr> I did not quit in quemu but just pressed C-c in the controlling terminal since qemu is not too fast
01:14 < rxr> lewellyn: well - since I have not quit oo but C-c'ed qemu, ... I guess the bug is there ...
01:14 < rxr> s/guess/fear/
01:15 < rxr> but I'm in bed in a few seconds
01:15 < rxr> finishing the article in the early morning and then starting to iterate over the bug list (and doing embedded work with T2 ...)
01:16 < lewellyn_> ya, i have about a half hour before i leave the office. and i need to get some stuff done still
01:17 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new-grub5.png
01:17 < rxr> ^- text tweak and anti-aliased puzzle pieces ...
01:18 < lewellyn_> since there is now a no X option, will there be more cli utilities available?
01:18 < lewellyn_> lynx, irssi, etc.
01:18 < lewellyn_> (not right now, mind you, just is it planned for some point)
01:21 < rxr> yes - those "tiny" utils will be added
01:21 < rxr> like links and irssi?
01:21 < lewellyn_> :)
01:21 * rxr crawling into the direction of the bed
01:21 * lewellyn_ prefers lynx, but eh :)
01:22 < lewellyn_> sleep well rxr.
01:22 < lewellyn_> this version "feels" more solid somehow
01:23 < rxr> == 20:37:03 =[5]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.5 2.2.0-alpha].
01:23 < rxr> ^- sparc and still building ...
01:23 < rxr> over 3 hours already - as usual ...
01:25 < lewellyn_> there are some things i prefer to not have to build :)
01:26 < rxr> yeah - like for SPARC at all ?
01:26 < lewellyn_> nah. i like sparc.
01:26 < lewellyn_> i don't like gcc/glibc/et al.
01:26 < lewellyn_> too large and cumbersome :)
01:27 < rxr> yeah - embedded builds are cool - including gcc bootstrap but dietlibc based - 45 minutes on my Athlon for a ARM cross build which image is 2MB ...
01:27 < rxr> and not too much longer if uclibc based, -)
01:34 < rxr> oops
01:34 < rxr> blackbox just core dumped ...
01:35 < rxr> tiem to sleep -- cu
01:35 < lewellyn_> sleep well
01:37 * lewellyn_ heads off to dinner
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02:50 < mnemoc_> rehi
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05:14 < keinek> gambas is not in t2??
06:34 < mnemoc_> keinek: send a patch :)
06:37 < mnemoc_> keinek: oh, you did :) what prefix does it use? /opt/gambas ?
06:40 < mnemoc_> uhm... i'll go to bed
06:40 < mnemoc_> cu
06:40 < mnemoc_> minimal-desktop is quite big...
06:41 < mnemoc_> gimp is not in my conception of 'minimal' but that's the target, i just have to build it :)
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08:41 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc_: X is not minimal... *shrug* :)
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10:10 < rxr> re
11:33 < CIA-7> rene * r9644 /trunk/package/develop/gambas/ (. gambas.cache gambas.desc):
11:33 < CIA-7> keinek
11:33 < CIA-7> * added gambas (1.0.6)
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12:08 < rxr> http://golem.de/0506/38593.html
12:09 < rxr> ouhm - damn companies ... helping forking khtml
12:10 < jsaw> re
12:11 < valentin> moin
12:11 < jsaw> move complete...
12:11 < jsaw> only dsl and cable tv still missing...
12:11 < jsaw> hi valentin
12:11 < rxr> moin valentin and jsaw
12:11 < jsaw> hi rxr
12:11 < jsaw> any recommendations for dsl?
12:13 < rxr> what you get in your street ,-)
12:13 < jsaw> :)
12:14 < CIA-7> rene * r9645 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc: * updated knetconf (r267 -> r270)
12:22 < valentin> http://matheplanet.com/matheplanet/nuke/html/viewtopic.php?topic=38577
12:23 < rxr> nokia and apple start to make me hate them more and more ...
12:26 < valentin> As long as nokia tells the ppl where they got their code from, i do appreciate this
12:26 < valentin> but i fear they will not mention khtml
12:27 < rxr> I wonder that they base half of their crap on gnome and the rendering on khtml
12:27 < rxr> ok - gnome has no html rendering as well as nothing powerfull anyway
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12:42 < CIA-7> rene * r9646 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc: * updated knetconf (r270 -> r272)
12:44 < rxr> http://www.userinterfacehallofshame.com/index.php?p=51
12:44 < rxr> If some Software Developers built houses?
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13:07 < valentin> driving to AH, see you later
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14:21 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/roadmap.html
14:30 < valentin> rfe
14:30 < valentin> re even
14:37 < rxr> valentin: roadmap fine?
14:40 < CIA-7> rene * r9647 /trunk/package/base/xen-tools/xen-tools.desc: * added homepage urls to the xen-tools package
14:41 < valentin> many items - i'll take a close look later
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14:55 < morfoh> hi all together
14:56 < rxr> hi morfoh
14:57 < CIA-7> rene * r9648 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.11.11 -> 2.6.11.12)
15:07 < morfoh> rxr: afaiks we'll need openssl for building most of the ipsec implementations regarding X.509 support
15:10 < rxr> ok - I make it cross built later
15:10 < rxr> (today)
15:14 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... thanks :)
15:17 < rxr> did some homepage roadmap work around lunch - did you had success with cms work over the weekened sss
15:17 < rxr> ? even
15:18 < rxr> and /me also shortly out for some lunch ingredients ...
15:21 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I've done some homepage work over the weekend ... I'll sync my work this evening.
15:28 < mnemoc_> rehi
15:29 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: there is a minimal, a minimal+xorg and a minimal-desktop
15:29 < morfoh> hi mnemoc_
15:29 < mnemoc_> hi morfoh
15:39 < rxr> re
15:39 < rxr> moin morfoh n
15:39 < rxr> moin mnemoc_
15:40 < mnemoc_> hi rxr
15:45 < valentin> hi morfoh, mnemoc_, CIA-7
15:45 < morfoh> hi valentin
15:45 < mnemoc_> hi valentin
15:46 < valentin> mnemoc_: did you vote ?
15:47 < mnemoc_> nope
15:47 < mnemoc_> how many people voted?
15:47 < mnemoc_> %
15:47 < morfoh> what a vote ?
15:48 < valentin> mnemoc_: 13% or so ..
15:48 < mnemoc_> italian voting for removing restrictions on assisted reproduction law
15:48 < mnemoc_> valentin: oh
15:49 < valentin> ok, 18.7%
15:49 < morfoh> mnemoc_: do you are an italien too ?
15:49 < mnemoc_> that should have hurt
15:49 < morfoh> italian
15:49 < mnemoc_> morfoh: i have a passport telling that :p
15:49 < mnemoc_> morfoh: but i don't know italian :p
15:50 < morfoh> mnemoc_: :D
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15:58 < keinek> hi
15:58 < keinek> :)
16:02 < mnemoc_> hi keinek
16:05 < morfoh> hi keinek
16:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: do you mail me the .cache tarball some time soon ?=
16:10 < rxr> hi keinek
16:11 < mnemoc_> rxr: i did!
16:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: i'll do it again
16:13 < rxr> you did ?
16:14 < rxr> ouhm - did not arricve
16:14 < rxr> oh - my minmal sparc 2.2 build neats the end
16:15 < mnemoc_> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/refcache-2.1-stable-r9648.tar.bz2
16:17 < rxr> oui - minimal sparc 2.2. finished
16:18 < rxr> 100%[====================================>] 58,655 18.37K/s ETA 00:00
16:18 < rxr> thanks
16:21 < mnemoc_> rxr: rsync://t2.geeks.cl/ has the iso i already finished, downloads and insync sources of trunk and 2.1
16:22 < morfoh> mnemoc_: restarted the rc1 build here too ...
16:22 < mnemoc_> morfoh: ?
16:23 < mnemoc_> rxr: good road map
16:24 < morfoh> mnemoc_: yes ... test box here freezed :/
16:24 < morfoh> mnemoc_: what roadmap ?
16:24 < mnemoc_> morfoh: known reason?
16:24 < mnemoc_> morfoh: http://www.t2-project.org/roadmap.html
16:25 < morfoh> mnemoc_: the whole box is very unstable ... I guess it's a heating problem or so
16:25 < morfoh> have never had a box that is so unstable since years
16:27 < mnemoc_> :(
16:27 < rxr> morfoh: built by your windows colleges - what do you expect ,-)
16:27 < mnemoc_> :)
16:28 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... this is obviously true ... it was build by them :)
16:30 < rxr> +

revisited .cache layout

16:30 < rxr> +

revisited source checksumming so no manual -r* is needed and packages
16:30 < rxr> + are less often rebuild

16:31 < rxr> commited to the roadmap right now
16:32 < morfoh> but on friday we got delivered some HP PC's here at work ... 1 had no fan mounted on the CPU (it was lingering around in the case) one another machine all power connectors for for the internal stuff like the HDD were not connected
16:32 < morfoh> that's is called QA ...
16:33 < mnemoc_> Compaq impact on HP
16:34 < rxr> .oO
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16:39 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
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16:39 < mnemoc_> is koffice desired on minimal-desktop?
16:40 < morfoh> hmmm ... I don't know ... what was the original intention of the minimal desktop ...
16:40 < rxr> mnemoc_: nope
16:40 < rxr> we should clean up minimal desktop
16:42 < mnemoc_> should i remove office complete?
16:44 < rxr> in the minmal template? ye
16:44 < rxr> s
16:45 < mnemoc_> minimal-desktop
16:45 < mnemoc_> misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in:/ wv2 / { p; d; };
16:46 < mnemoc_> uhm.... this template is weird
16:47 < rxr> guess it was created in the time before the desktop shrink and resembled s.th. in the way of the current desktop target
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16:51 < mnemoc_> rxr: what should i do? will we just release minimal (pmmx,ppc) and a desktop (pmmx) for rc1?
16:51 < rxr> yes - sound good
16:55 < rxr> mnemoc_: can you mail me cdrtools dep-debug ?
16:55 < rxr> and
16:55 < rxr> libstdc++-v3
16:56 < rxr> calltree
16:56 < rxr> log4cpp
16:56 < rxr> log4cxx
16:57 < mnemoc_> i have a better idea, wait
16:57 < rxr> I only need those fews
16:57 < rxr> the others look great
16:57 < mnemoc_> ok
16:58 < rxr> how do we want to commit ?
16:58 < rxr> merging such a big thing from trunk to 2.1 is a bit painfull
16:58 < rxr> I apply to trunk and you to 2.1 ?
16:59 < morfoh> mnemoc_: should I cancel my pmmx desktop and starting a p4 optimized one ... to generate a rc1 P4 iso ?
17:00 < mnemoc_> rxr: same location, depdebug-2.1-stable-r9648.tar.bz2
17:00 < mnemoc_> morfoh: master mind told me to build just pmmx iso-s
17:01 < mnemoc_> rxr: if you tell me the 'fixes' i can commit. if not i'll have to merge :\
17:01 < rxr> well - I'll not touch them
17:01 < rxr> you can inject them just as they are
17:01 < morfoh> mnemoc_: perhaps master mind will change it's mind regarding that case
17:01 < rxr> aside the mentioned files they look good
17:02 < rxr> and the mentioned files can either edited thereafter or be fixed in the next iteration
17:03 < mnemoc_> rxr: good
17:04 < CIA-7> amery * r9649 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in: * changed minimal-desktop.in, apr.* instead of apache; perl-xml-parser is needed for gimp; and sjog removed
17:05 < mnemoc_> morfoh: do you have any non-intel there?
17:07 < morfoh> mnemoc_: I just could build athlon iso's but no other arch's around here
17:07 < mnemoc_> morfoh: finish pmmx, and do athlon. i start p4 here
17:08 < morfoh> ok
17:08 < mnemoc_> please :)
17:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: I remove the build date and version from the .cache, ok?
17:10 < rxr> so that we do not get a change in every file in the future on a new build ...
17:10 < rxr> and also round the build-time, size and files so that they do not change on every build ..
17:10 < rxr> is this in our all interest ?
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17:16 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:16 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
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17:16 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
17:16 < rxr_> 17:10 < rxr> mnemoc_: I remove the build date and version from the .cache, ok?
17:16 < rxr_> 17:10 < rxr> so that we do not get a change in every file in the future on a new build ...
17:16 < rxr_> 17:10 < rxr> and also round the build-time, size and files so that they do not change on every build ..
17:16 < rxr_> 17:10 < rxr> is this in our all interest ?
17:16 < mnemoc_> rxr: how can we consider a .cache 'old'?
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17:16 < mnemoc_> packages which have not been built in years
17:16 < rxr_> mnemoc_: well - we will continously inject them - all will be recent
17:17 < mnemoc_> ok
17:17 < rxr_> otherwise svn ls or svn log or svn info is your friend ,-)
17:17 < mnemoc_> hehe
17:17 < rxr_> but .cache files differing on any rebuild are very unhandy IMHO
17:18 < mnemoc_> yes
17:19 < mnemoc_> but i think we should not keep .cache (build results) on tree, we need to keep generated .deps with attributes
17:19 < mnemoc_> but... that is... 2.3?
17:20 < rxr_> wel - we could keep the deps in the .cache - thus less many changing files and such
17:20 < rxr_> but with attributes ,-)
17:20 < rxr_> gpsdrive.cache is also interesting
17:21 < rxr_> and xscreensaver
17:21 < mnemoc_> as far as we continue cleaning .cache files _because_ they get into the tree, they loose their cache sense
17:21 < mnemoc_> do you need dep-debug of them?
17:21 < rxr_> what do you mean ?
17:21 < rxr_> yep - dep-debug of the above two
17:21 < rxr_> then I should be finished scrolling thru the diff
17:21 < mnemoc_> var/adm/cache was a picture of the build
17:22 < mnemoc_> but we keep them /in tree/ because we use them for deps
17:22 < rxr_> well - sure they are the feedback driver t2 build system data
17:23 < mnemoc_> but we don't want per-build changes, so we clean var/adm/cache to get cleaner .cache files
17:23 < rxr_> mnemoc_: the build time and such is in /var/adm/packages/
17:23 < mnemoc_> so .cache is not longer "a picture of the build
17:23 < mnemoc_> "
17:23 < rxr_> /cache/ was started as feedback driver parameter addition - just that the file format v1 contains too much noise
17:24 < mnemoc_> sure
17:24 < mnemoc_> but what i say is that this file is not a 'cache'
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17:25 < mnemoc_> rxr_: re-download depdebug file
17:32 < mnemoc_> i have to go to concurrent programming, cu
17:32 < rxr_> cu
17:32 < rxr_> it still is - just without a timestamp and less noisy values
17:33 < mnemoc_> a timestamp is the most basic part of a cache :)
17:33 < rxr_> nope
17:33 < rxr_> CPU caches rather have invalidate bits and such ,-)
17:33 < mnemoc_> :)
17:34 < mnemoc_> i would like to generate a .dot file of dependencies.... just curiosity :)
17:34 < mnemoc_> cu
17:36 < valentin> mnemoc_: .dot ? like graphviz ?
17:36 < valentin> i once did that
17:38 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/stage1.ps
17:38 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/stage1b.ps
17:42 < CIA-7> rene * r9650 /trunk/package/ (1585 files in 1585 dirs): * .cache update from Alejandro's latest reference build (though for 2.1)
18:12 < rxr_> hm - the deps debug shows, that the python *.py* handling is sub-optimal
18:13 < rxr_> some packages depend on mailman and numpy for some strange .py* use ...
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18:34 < rxr_> hi mtr_
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19:16 < CIA-7> rene * r9651 /trunk/package/compat/libstdc++-v3/ (libstdc++-v3.cache libstdc++-v3.conf libstdc++-v3.desc):
19:16 < CIA-7> * cleaned up libstdc++-v3 as noted in the inital commit
19:16 < CIA-7> (-- fast hack alert -- ;-), that includes decustmain and patching
19:16 < CIA-7> not to fix-include any header on the system (and thus in magnitudes
19:16 < CIA-7> less dependencies ,-)
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19:35 < minto> hi all
19:37 < morfoh> hi minto :)
19:38 < minto> Hi morfoh, are you new to T2. I have not seen your name before?
19:38 < morfoh> minto: you have not see this name before ;)
19:39 < valentin> minto: guess who he is ,)
19:39 * valentin driving home...
19:39 < minto> jeru?
19:39 < valentin> cu later
19:39 < valentin> good guess
19:39 < morfoh> minto: right ;)
19:40 < minto> Has your bunny bitten you, or what?
19:40 < morfoh> minto: why ?
19:40 < minto> brb
19:40 < morfoh> minto: of course he bites me every day :)
19:43 < minto> Sorry, I got a phone call.
19:43 < minto> Because the changed your name
19:44 < minto> BTW, how is your Salsa date doing?
19:44 < morfoh> minto: I changed it because I wanted to have a registered nick name ... some days before the "real" jeru showed up here and confused some people at #t2 ;)
19:45 < morfoh> minto: salsa is doing well ;)
19:45 < minto> Your right it confuses me too jeru is not jeru ?
19:46 < morfoh> minto: I'm sorry but wait some days and it will be ok :)
19:47 < minto> I guess it will. Maybe I need another vacation :-)
19:48 < morfoh> minto: but you've to take me with you on your vacation then :)
19:48 < minto> morfoh: Or maybe I should change my name too. Just to confuse people.
19:49 -!- minto is now known as misl
19:49 < morfoh> minto: it wasn't my intention to confuse my people at #t2
19:49 < misl> Just kidding
19:49 < morfoh> so how was your holiday trip ?
19:49 -!- misl is now known as minto
19:50 < minto> My trip was very nice. Went to the north of spain (Girona area)
19:50 < minto> cost brava
19:51 < minto> Three weeks of sun.
19:51 < minto> :-)
19:56 < morfoh> hehe ... oranje on tour :)
20:00 < mnemoc_> valentin: the, .dot like graphviz
20:00 < mnemoc_> valentin: yes, .dot like graphviz
20:01 < morfoh> ah! wb mnemoc_
20:01 * morfoh moving home now ...
20:02 < mnemoc_> :)
20:02 < morfoh> mnemoc_: hopefully this damn test box will not freeze again today ... I wanna have this f*cking build done :)
20:03 < mnemoc_> morfoh: same do i :) .... what about athlon?
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20:19 < rxr> re
20:21 < mnemoc_> rxr: did you commit my tarball unchanged?
20:21 < rxr> yep
20:22 < rxr> but I updated libstdc++-v3 since I fixed it thereafter
20:22 < rxr> the only real fix needed is the .ph
20:22 < rxr> .py* as posted to the list
20:22 < mnemoc_> good
20:32 < rxr> gtk-webcore.sf.net is a fake
20:32 < rxr> I just browse the cvs
20:32 < rxr> the only release is from last year and cvs was only touched once:
20:32 < rxr> (file) AUTHORS 1.1.1.1 3 months kkimmo Initial import (version 0.5.1).
20:35 < rxr> http://press.nokia.com/PR/200506/998214_5.html
20:39 < CIA-7> amery * r9652 /branches/2.1/package/zope/zope3/ (7 files): * merged 9630 from trunk: added zope3 (3.0.0)
21:01 < rxr> did I mention that fefe's gatling rocks?
21:02 < mnemoc_> gatling?
21:04 < mnemoc_> commiting .cache files is eternal
21:05 < rxr> tiny instang ftp/http server
21:06 < mnemoc_> like publicfile or supports cgi-s?
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21:12 < morfoh> re hi
21:20 < valentin> re
21:27 < morfoh> hi valentin
21:31 < rxr> public file what ?
21:31 < rxr> I think it can do cgi ..
21:46 < rxr> mnemoc_: do you also think we should chain the pkg preselection tempaltes ?
21:46 < rxr> so that minimal+xorg bases on minimal and minimal-desktop on minimal+
21:46 < rxr> xorg ?
21:46 < rxr> and thus do not have this dublicated mess ?
21:46 < rxr> duplicated evebn
21:54 < CIA-7> amery * r9653 /branches/2.1/package/ (1585 files in 1585 dirs): * added .cache files for all packages built on my last reference build
22:01 < _Ragnar_> rxr: so how do I build an embedded t2 for my soekris now?:)
22:03 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: oh ... you've a soekris box .... :)
22:03 < _Ragnar_> yes :) it arrived today
22:03 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: cool :)
22:03 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: did you bought it in dk ?
22:03 < _Ragnar_> no, US
22:04 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: what type ?
22:06 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: btw, ./scripts/Config -cfg soekrisbox and choosing "generic embedded" ;)
22:06 < _Ragnar_> net4801
22:07 < _Ragnar_> just lacking the wireless card
22:08 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: but nice box anyway ;)
22:09 < _Ragnar_> :D
22:10 < _Ragnar_> hmmm ... it tries to build gnome on that target? O_O
22:10 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: no ... it shouldn't build any gnome stuff on embedded
22:11 < _Ragnar_> it's in the package list tho
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22:15 < rxr> valentin: what where the svn coordinates for the exactedit ?
22:19 < CIA-7> rene * r9654 /trunk/package/filesystem/coda/coda.desc: * updated coda (6.0.10 -> 6.0.11)
22:41 < valentin> re
22:42 < valentin> rxr ??
22:46 < rxr> exactedit ? just joking because xemacs hit my nerves
22:46 < valentin> ah
22:49 < morfoh> btw guys ... your exact brand is well choosen ;)
22:52 < rxr> morfoh: yeah - do you think so ?
22:53 < morfoh> yes ... I think so ... at least you can derive good product names from it ;)
22:56 < rxr> yep
22:57 < valentin> http://demo.stoppt-softwarepatente.de/
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23:00 < rxr> hehehe
23:00 < rxr> look at galtings ftp commend responses:
23:00 < rxr> Successfully transferred /home/rene/2.png at 21.11 KB/s
23:00 < rxr> SITE CHMOD 644 /write/2.png
23:00 < rxr> 550 The heck you say.
23:00 < rxr> SITE UTIME 20040910182956 /write/2.png
23:00 < rxr> 550 No, really?
23:01 < morfoh> a funny guy he is ... this fefe :)
23:07 < minto> Be careful with the exact brand. Here in the Netherlands is a company called Exact. They are a global player.
23:09 < morfoh> minto: Mr. Frits Bolkenstein will help them to fight ;)
23:10 < minto> I am off to bed now, good night all.
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23:22 < valentin> hm, michael jackson set free
23:42 < rxr> ack
23:42 < morfoh> roger that
23:44 < valentin> is that :) or :(
23:44 < morfoh> neither the one nor the other ;)
23:45 < rxr> who cares about jackson ...
23:45 < morfoh> ack :D
23:45 < rxr> except the bass and co instrument producer
23:45 < morfoh> rxr: exact(ly;)
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23:49 < keinek> hi
23:49 < morfoh> hi keinek ... how is argentina doing ?
23:50 < keinek> the weather is bad
23:52 < rxr> valentin: btw. I just notice we should allow editing simple firewall rules in netconf ...
23:52 * rxr shortly away
23:52 < rxr> but I have to finish an article and a news entry tonight
23:52 < rxr> so I'll be here for about 2 more hours ...
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