--- Log opened Thu Jun 09 00:00:58 2005
00:01 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/acad-wine-t2.png
00:01 < morfoh> rxr: hehe :)
00:03 < sepp> hehe this win32 gui is really ulgy
00:03 < morfoh> rxr: I should test this crappy medical application we use at work in wine too 
00:09 < rxr> morfoh: getting wine setup is a nightmare ...
00:09 < rxr> (as is windows ...)
00:09 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9562 /trunk/package/gnome2/abiword/abiword.desc: * updated abiword (2.2.7 -> 2.2.8)
00:12 < morfoh> rxr: I can imagine :)
00:13 < morfoh> rxr: what I'm wondering about is, that fgetty was build on embedded the last time I tried it ...
00:15 < morfoh> ah ... but we don't use dietlibc there 
00:17 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9563 /trunk/package/security/loop-aes/loop-aes.desc: * took over loop-aes
00:19 < sepp> hmm i have to sleep now - good night all
00:19 < morfoh> sepp: good night 
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00:20 < keinek> hi
00:20 < morfoh> hi keinek 
00:24 < morfoh> rxr: vanilla fgetty builds fine, so I guess the t2 patches produce some site effects
00:30 < rxr> vanilly in a T2 build or vanilly manually with dietlibc ?
00:30 < morfoh> manually ...
00:33 < rxr> morfoh: why do you have this nick ?
00:33 < morfoh> rxr: forget about everything ... builds now within t2 + your patches 
00:34 < morfoh> rxr: because I wanted to change it ... morfoh is an name from a one of 250 available native languages in cameroon ... from the tribe ngwen
00:35 < morfoh> the other jeru who showed up here was the "trigger" for changing the name ... that's all
00:35 < rxr> 164M Jun  9 00:19 wine-ie-acad-backup.tar.gz 51M Jun  8 20:34 wine-ie-backup.tar.gz
00:35 < rxr> snapshots in wine are cool ...
00:36 < rxr> way more handy then under the original windows API implementation that comes with this unhany OS ...
00:38 < morfoh> rxr: can I update dietlibc and libowfat safely in 2.1 (at least locally) without causing any troubles ?
00:39 < rxr> I altered the priority to let all the embedded stuff build
00:39 < rxr> I think it should not be too much of a hazzle
00:40 < rxr> just that the new dietlibc does not build on x86-64 yet - cauing an ICE in gcc
00:40 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... x86-64 isn't a topic for me yet ...
00:41 < rxr> Calculator Flaw Forces Recall in Virginia
00:42 < rxr> A 12-year-old discovered that by pressing two keys at once, the calculators will convert decimals to fractions. The tests require the students to know how to do this with pencil-and-paper.
00:43 < _Ragnar_> omg;)
00:43 < rxr>  Effective C++, Third Edition
00:46 < morfoh> rxr: while trying to build grub with diet libc I get -> checking for i586-t2-linux-gnudietlibc-objcopy... no
00:47 < rxr> ouhm - I can imagine ...
00:47 < rxr> morfoh: I'm in bed right now
00:48 < morfoh> ok .. sleep well :)
00:48 < rxr> I think this happens because dietlibc does not alter the arch_target for all pacakges I think
00:48 < morfoh> rxr: it was just a note, so it's no problem for me atm.
00:49 < rxr> okok
00:49 < rxr> n8 all 
00:49 < rxr> have to sleep
00:49 < morfoh> good night
00:49 < rxr> happy hacking to all alive
00:49 < morfoh> rxr: thanks
01:14 < mnemoc> re
01:16 < morfoh> hey :)
01:16 < morfoh> it's cold here .... arrghhh
01:16 < mnemoc> hi morfo, rxr
01:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: you missed the "h" at the end ;)
01:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: and rxr is in bed since 20min. I think
01:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: and my test ran out of disk space while building the desktop target :/
01:20 < morfoh> test box
01:20 < morfoh> but I've moved it to a differrent partition now and continued the build 
01:21 < mnemoc> lvm2 rules :)
01:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes :)
01:22 < mnemoc> i got 4G extra for my reference remotely 
01:22 < morfoh> from where ?
01:24 < mnemoc> takes space from other logical volumes
01:24 < mnemoc> taking*
01:25 < mnemoc> resize_reiserfs and lvresize
01:25 < morfoh> do you use reiser ?
01:25 < mnemoc> yep
01:25 < mnemoc> why?
01:26 < morfoh> just asked because .... I used it once and it "scrambled" my disk .... so I never used it again 
01:26 < morfoh> do you had problems with reiser so far ?
01:26 < mnemoc> aas far as i don't need to 'undelete' everything works fine
01:27 < morfoh> but it's not reiser4 I guess
01:28 < mnemoc> nah, 3
01:28 < mnemoc> do we support reiser4?
01:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you see problems merging dietlibc, libowfat from trunk ?
01:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: no afaik
01:29 < mnemoc> libowfat, no problem
01:29 < mnemoc> dietlibc.... mmm.... mmm...
01:30 < mnemoc> after runtime tests on multiple archs, sure :)
01:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: rxr told me that there are some x86-64 problems with dietlibc so far
01:34 < mnemoc> i know :)
01:34 < morfoh> ok ok .... I'll say nothing anymore :)
01:34 < mnemoc> =)
01:35 < mnemoc> why do you want the merge?
01:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: forget about it :)
01:36 < mnemoc> why do you want the merge?
01:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: forget it about it :p
01:37 < morfoh> argggggggggggg
01:37 < morfoh> I need more green tea to stay awake
01:39 < mnemoc> coffee...
01:39 < morfoh> no! I had too much coffee today ... so I'll stick with green tea now
01:41 < mnemoc> i need coffee :)
01:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: go ahead and drink some :)
01:44 < mnemoc> i dont have :)
01:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: oh! unfortunately we've no teleporter. I could send you a nice latte machiato ...
01:46 < mnemoc> no idea what that is :p
01:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: espresso + creamy milk 
01:48 < mnemoc> ´:)
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01:55 < morfoh> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/desktop/regressions.html :/
01:58 < mnemoc> *lcick*
01:58 < mnemoc> wtf?
01:59 < mnemoc> No space left on device
01:59 < mnemoc> cheater
01:59 < morfoh> oh!
01:59 < morfoh> have I missed sth. ?
01:59 < morfoh> haven't checked the logs yet
02:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: how can I reschedule them all ?
02:00 < mnemoc> that was 5-mono
02:00 < CIA-7> amery * r9564 /branches/2.1/package/kde/kde-i18n-bg/ (kde-i18n-de.cache kde-i18n-de.conf kde-i18n-de.desc): * removed kde-i18n-de files from kde-i18n-bg
02:00 < mnemoc> rm *.err
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02:21 < CIA-7> amery * r9565 /branches/2.1/package/kde/kde-i18n-bg/hotfix.patch: * removed patch of kde-i18n-de at kde-i18n-bg
02:21 < mnemoc> kde-i18n-bg merge was a disaster :|
02:22 < morfoh> damn :|
02:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: mono finished ;)
02:29 < mnemoc> :)
02:32 < morfoh> a2ps + emacs stuff too 
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03:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/desktop/regressions.html <- looks much better now :)
03:17 < mnemoc> you keep the ugly zlib thing
03:19 < morfoh> oh
03:20 < morfoh> ah ...just the beautyfications are missing
03:20 < mnemoc> :)
03:21 < morfoh> I can reschedule zlib if you want
03:21 < mnemoc> just svn up
03:23 < morfoh> G  target/desktop/config.in <- what is that "G" meaning ?
03:23 < morfoh> svn
03:25 < mnemoc> a merge
03:25 < mnemoc> when you already have non commited changes
03:25 < morfoh> ok :)
03:26 < morfoh> do I have some ? .... hmmm ... I'm a bit tired 
03:27 < mnemoc> i wonder if someone is interested in rsync:// for 2.1 branch
03:29 < keinek> t2-stable start compile :P
03:30 < keinek> Now is like a childrens game.
03:30 < keinek> ;)
03:30 < mnemoc> children is plural
03:31 < keinek> i know... but this is a LOTS of children hahaha :P
03:31 < keinek> ;)
03:31 < mnemoc> :)
03:31 < mnemoc> you have to learn how T2 works, we need someone maintaining games :)
03:32 < keinek> your need that i maintaining the games of t2 ?
03:33 < mnemoc> yep
03:33 < keinek> ok
03:34 < keinek> you need that i look the official web page of the games, and look if there are new releasses and update the packages ?
03:36 < mnemoc> first to make test the games and be sure all run properly
03:36 < keinek> ok
03:36 < mnemoc> then keep them updated 
03:37 < keinek> a few days ago, i do supertux package... when supertux be in the trunk, grrrrr
03:37 < keinek> :)
03:39 < mnemoc> you have to fix and add packages to trunk, then test them on the stable branch and then do a merge request
03:41 < keinek> so i need work with the trunk?
03:41 < mnemoc> with both
03:41 < keinek> ok
03:42 < keinek> the package is the same :)
03:42 < mnemoc> you work with two working copies
03:42 < mnemoc> one of the stable branch and one of the trunk
03:42 < mnemoc> emerge from trunk, fix and commit there
03:42 < keinek> all package of games are from rock?
03:43 < mnemoc> not all, but almost all
03:45 < keinek> ok, i will like this work.
03:45 < keinek> i hope give the best
03:46 < keinek> dont forguet the spanish translator of t2 in the official site.
03:46 < mnemoc> :)
03:46 < keinek> the only thing that you do is correct some term.
03:47 < mnemoc> i hope to get www2 official soon
03:47 < keinek> yes, i click in the spanish flag, but dont appear spanish :P
03:47 < mnemoc> not yet
03:48 < keinek> shiT!
03:48 < keinek> error in autoconf
03:48 < keinek> stage 0
03:48 < mnemoc> jeru (aka morfoh) promised to finish CMS on friday
03:48 < keinek> lets do build again!!!
03:48 < mnemoc> keinek: publish the error please
03:48 < keinek> Mmmm now work fine.
03:48 < keinek> too late.
03:48 < mnemoc> uhm?
03:49 < keinek> i re run build and work fine in the second chance.
03:49 < mnemoc> :(
03:53 < keinek> there not the first time that happens
03:53 < keinek> when a package fail, in the second build work fine.
03:53 < keinek> i dont know why.
03:54 < keinek> the next time, i will copy the log of error, and i will publish that.
03:57 < mnemoc> if you didn't Cleanup, ERROR-LOG will be present on src.foo.*
03:57 < mnemoc> even if you run Build-Target again
03:57 < keinek> and why work fine?
03:58 < mnemoc> how could i know if you don't show me the error?
03:59 < keinek> right!
03:59 < keinek> ok... i do something.
03:59 < keinek> i will stop the stage
03:59 < mnemoc> ?
03:59 < keinek> and rerun all from scratch
03:59 < mnemoc> ok
03:59 < keinek> for see the same error.
03:59 < keinek> ok?
04:00 < mnemoc> here it builds flawless... but i would like to see the problems you get
04:00 < keinek> ok... build again... all from 0
04:01 < keinek> wait for the error in autoconf
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04:06 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly 
04:07 < sparc-kly> hi ppl
04:10 < CIA-7> amery * r9566 /branches/2.1/misc/archive/fixmaintainer.sh: * merged 9324,9327,9406 from trunk: added fixmaintainer.sh helper to list, count and change package [M]s
04:12 < CIA-7> amery * r9567 /trunk/package/develop/paragui/swig_fixes.patch: * fixed paragui to build with swig 1.3.24
04:16 < CIA-7> amery * r9568 /branches/2.1/package/ (26 files in 6 dirs): 
04:16 < CIA-7> * merged 9450 from trunk: moved contrib/djvulibre -> graphic
04:16 < CIA-7> * merged 9457 from trunk: moved base/pidentd -> security/
04:16 < CIA-7> * merged 9502 from trunk: moved contrib/dictd -> dictionary/
04:19 < CIA-7> amery * r9569 /branches/2.1/package/develop/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
04:19 < CIA-7> * merged 9106 from trunk: updated subversion (1.1.4 -> 1.2.0)
04:19 < CIA-7> * merged 9252 from trunk: updated swig (1.3.21 -> 1.3.24)
04:19 < CIA-7> * merged 9567 from trunk: fixed paragui to build with swig 1.3.24
04:20 < CIA-7> amery * r9570 /branches/2.1/architecture/x86/kernel.conf.sh: * merged 9082 from trunk: enabled ISAPNP on x86 kernels by default
04:23 < CIA-7> amery * r9571 /branches/2.1/package/base/linux26/unbreak-advansys-scsi.patch: * merged 9092,9094 from trunk: fixed advansys scsi support on linux26
04:24 < CIA-7> amery * r9572 /branches/2.1/package/base/linux24/linux24.desc: * merged 9286 from trunk: updated linux24 (2.4.30 -> 2.4.31)
04:32 < CIA-7> amery * r9573 /branches/2.1/package/ (5 files in 4 dirs): * injected copyright notes to last additions to 2.1 branch
04:33 < CIA-7> amery * r9574 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/: * tagged 2.1.0-rc1
04:34 < CIA-7> amery * r9575 /branches/2.1/scripts/parse-config: * changed 2.1 branch version to 2.1.0-rc2
04:35 -!- mode/#t2 [+o mnemoc] by ChanServ
04:36 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to:  T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
04:41 -!- mode/#t2 [-o mnemoc] by ChanServ
04:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: how is the syntax for checking out sources from a CVS in foo.desc ?
04:59  * morfoh needs a coffee now ...
05:00 < mnemoc> cvs://:pserver[:username[:password]]@server:path module -D YYYY-MM-DD
05:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: thank you ... do you wanna have a coffee too ;)
05:01 < mnemoc> yep
05:04  * morfoh teleporting a coffee over to mnemoc
05:05 < mnemoc> thanks
05:14 < morfoh> cool worked ... :)
05:16 < mnemoc> :)
05:30 < mnemoc> gn8 morfoh 
05:30 < mnemoc> don't forget to resync with rc1 tag
05:30 < mnemoc> swig update is tested but you may need to rebuild dependees
05:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: good night
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06:13 < morfoh> hi sparc-kly, [lewellyn] 
06:14 < [lewellyn]> hoi morfoh 
06:14  * morfoh == jeru ;)
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06:59 < valentin> moin
06:59 < valentin> morfoh ?
06:59 < morfoh> moin valentin 
07:04 < valentin> morfoh: which of the two jeru's are you ?
07:04 < valentin> the old one or the new onw ?
07:05 < valentin> damn, i slept for 16h
07:06 < [lewellyn]> <paraphrase>are you a good jeru or a bad jeru?</paraphrase>
07:06 < valentin> one of them is evil ?
07:06 < [lewellyn]> you're familiar with the wizard of oz, i trust?
07:07 < valentin> yes, but has been a long time ....
07:07 < [lewellyn]> ok. fair enough :)
07:07 < valentin> and i only know the poor german translation (and a few english songs)
07:08 < [lewellyn]> oh. then you wouldn't get half of what i'd interject with randomly :)
07:08 < valentin> you are talking about the good wich and the bad wich ?
07:08 < valentin> witch even
07:08 < valentin> my bones feel old today
07:08 < [lewellyn]> yes :)
07:09 < [lewellyn]> haha
07:09 < [lewellyn]> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=63852&item=6774552489&rd=1
07:11 < morfoh> valentin: I'm the good one you know ;)
07:12 < morfoh> so ... you have slept for 16h and I've not for 24h
07:41 < [lewellyn]> sleeping is overrated
07:53 < valentin> i slept 6h in the 96h before
07:54 < morfoh> valentin: that should be enough ;)
07:54 < valentin> so that is 22h/102h
07:54 < valentin> my girl is a bit pi**ed about thad ...
07:55 < valentin> oh - rc1 tagged ?
07:55 < valentin> and now i am hungry.
07:56 < [lewellyn]> valentin: come on over. i need to go get dinner. ;)
07:56 < morfoh> valentin: rc2 in fact
07:56 < [lewellyn]> topic needs changing then :)
07:56 < [lewellyn]> wait. rc2 was tagged before rc1 was made into an iso?
07:56 < valentin> hm, dinner
07:56 < valentin> maybe i can take this oreo-handbag then
07:56 < [lewellyn]> i kinda want that purse
07:57 < [lewellyn]> one great thing about san francisco
07:57 < [lewellyn]> a guy can carry a purse without being interrogated for theft
07:57 < valentin> hehe
07:57 < valentin> here in berlin you can, too - except you live in the district i live in :(
07:58 < valentin> here you will be beaten up by wannabe-fascists
07:58 < morfoh> valentin: I'm building desktop iso already
07:59 < valentin> nice
07:59 < valentin> this purse is quite nice
07:59 < [lewellyn]> will there be a desktop iso in 64bit?
08:00 < [lewellyn]> valentin: and it's duct tape! there can be nothing wrong with it!
08:00 < valentin> yep
08:00 < valentin> this is the cool thing about ebay, it turns people into creatives
08:01 < valentin> [lewellyn]: i don't know about 64 bit status
08:02 < valentin> so, i have to search the kitchen for something nutritious
08:12 < [lewellyn]> well, i wish you luck. i just realized that it's midnight on a weds night; there is nothing around here open.
08:13 < [lewellyn]> not even a starbucks or mcdonald's.
08:13 < [lewellyn]> (well, a del taco, but that ranks down with mcdonald's.)
08:13 < [lewellyn]> so, i'm going to skip dinner and head to the bar! :)
08:13 < [lewellyn]> also, have there been any livecd changes in the past couple days?
08:20 < valentin> ouhm, ooo and netconf and stuff
08:27  * [lewellyn] rsyncs and takes off.
08:27 < [lewellyn]> thanks :)
08:30 < valentin>  [lewellyn] : i have no idea if rxr put something new on the server yet
08:33 < [lewellyn]> apparently not
08:33 < [lewellyn]> wrote 167642 bytes  read 95837 bytes  1114.08 bytes/sec
08:34 < [lewellyn]> ok. time to go and fall down. have a good insert-whatever-is-appropriate-here, everyone :)
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09:23 < valentin> http://img247.echo.cx/img247/1036/gateslord2rn.jpg
09:27 < valentin> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/design/ui/antimac.html
09:28 < valentin> hehe: WYSIWYG also means "What You See Is All There Is".
09:29 < valentin> The article argues that the current generation of GUIs has become stuck in its roots, and some of the central principles should be violated in order for us to make progress in GUIs design.
09:31 < valentin> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/design/ui/2dnot3d.html
09:59 < rxr> re
10:00 < rxr> Windows-Bluescreen bei Anzeige zu grosser Bilder im Browser
10:00 < rxr> Nur wenige Zeilen HTML-Code gen?gen, um das Speichermanagement von Windows aus dem Tritt zu bringen und einen Bluescreen zu produzieren. Den Komplettabsturz verursachen Bilder in Webseiten, deren H?hen- und Breiten-Attribute enorm hoch sind.
10:01 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/60433
10:01 < valentin> ouhm
10:01 < valentin> hehe
10:01 < valentin> moin rxr
10:02 < rxr> moin
10:02 < rxr> with ie in my wine fake windows I could test if my Linux kernel is affected as well *g*
10:02 < rxr> valentin: avision called - we migth get Tiger soon - as well as teh money ,-)
10:03 < rxr> where might only applies to tiger not the later
10:03 < valentin> nice
10:03 < rxr> and they started to sell those scanners ... - finally ...
10:03 < valentin> oh
10:04 < rxr> Rail Guns Closer to Reality
10:04 < rxr> http://slashdot.org/articles/05/06/09/0044259.shtml
10:04 < rxr> we should have patented them in the early 90s ...
10:04 < valentin> if they pay, there will be a driver update soon
10:05 < rxr> you mean for tiger?
10:05 < valentin> The accelerated plates strike a target after traveling only five millimeters, or less than a quarter-inch
10:06 < valentin> rxr: i mean with the feature buttons enabled
10:06 < rxr> ouhm - again a 256bps mp3 that sounds not perfect ...
10:06 < rxr> what software do these people use ... have they ears at all ..
10:06 < valentin> what is "after traveling only five millimeters" ? in eigentime ?
10:06 < rxr> ?
10:10 < valentin> i wanted to know what 5mm they are talking about ? is this the range of the weapon measured in earth system ? would be a bit short...
10:15 < valentin> oh - eigenzeit == proper time in english
10:16 < valentin> so the 'eigen' prefix is not relatet to eigen in eigenspace, eigenvalue etc
10:16 < rxr> I have not read it ...
10:16 < valentin> related even
10:17 < morfoh> hi rxr
10:18 < valentin> morfoh: i am still confused ? which of the two jerus are you now ? 
10:19 < morfoh> valentin: as I said ... I'm the one you know personaly 
10:19 < morfoh> valentin: and why do you know 2 
10:20 < valentin> ok, so you are mr. wiese :)
10:21 < morfoh> valentin: now you got it :)
10:22 < rxr> cool - NS7 is installing ..
10:23 < rxr> just that my ISO is not complete (thanks loop mounting in Linux)
10:23 < rxr> ah - yep - now I get file errors ...
10:24 < rxr> but promissing tht the installation is running that smoothly ...
10:25 < rxr> too bad at the current rate it will take 1day to be fully on my side - grummel ...
10:28 < valentin> rxr: did you test netconf@HEAD ?
10:29 < rxr> valentin: have you seen my evening wine screenshots and the nightly autocad one ?
10:29 < rxr> only partially ...
10:29 < valentin> i did a fast scollback, but i did not paste the urls into my browser
10:29 < rxr> I also mailed to the list ..
10:29 < rxr> valentin: I grab breakfast
10:30 < rxr> I'll then in-depth play with netconf on the ibook - on my box this download is still not finished ...
10:30 < rxr> or better the v8 does not install and I need the v7 ...
10:31 < rxr> can you add a README with the sudo ruls 
10:31 < valentin> if you beam a modem over here, i could test, too :/
10:31 < rxr> ?
10:31 < valentin> there is an INSTALL
10:31 < rxr> ah
10:31 < rxr> sorr
10:32 < valentin> i want to add the german translation .mo 
10:32 < valentin> and a .desktop file
10:32 < rxr> yep - would be nice
10:32 < valentin> if you think it makes sense, i could come over later and play with your modem
10:33 < rxr> well - that might indeed be helpful
10:33 < rxr> so we could finally get the new livecd out ...
10:33 < rxr> and e.g. tweak dchp disovery as well
10:34 < valentin> argh - i have no ntp client running
10:34 < valentin> no wonder my iBooks clock is -2 minutes
10:35 < valentin> rxr: can you paste me this fau. ... server you use again ?
10:35 < valentin> or wait
10:35 < valentin> i can look on grum
10:35 < rxr> server ntp0.fau.de
10:35 < valentin> yep
10:36 < morfoh> ptbtime1.ptb.de
10:36 < rxr> ,-)
10:36 < rxr> morfoh: should we ue it as T2 default ,-) ?
10:37 < valentin> rxr: i would not use a german server as T2 default
10:37 < morfoh> hmmm ?
10:37 < valentin> the user should set one he can reach fastest
10:38 < morfoh> one could even use sth. like our download mirror mechanism
10:39 < morfoh>  echo package/*/clockspeed <- if your are looking for a small secure ntpclient too ;)
10:39 < rxr> ouhm - if the file stays at 7kB - I only need 10hours for the remaining bits ..
10:39 < valentin> nt2pd :)
10:39 < rxr> damn is that slow - how can everyday users be happy with such download rates ...
10:40 < valentin> because everyday users only leech media data
10:40 < valentin> and not stuff they need "now"
10:40 < rxr> most mp3s sound like empty coke cans with a pc speaker
10:40 < rxr> some even like a full can with the same speaker ....
10:41 < valentin> and if you start three new dl's every day, you will get three new files each day
10:41 < rxr> thre new files that sound or look  like crap ...
10:57 < rxr> we could also cut your pipe then ...
10:57 < rxr>  saw off weven
10:58 < rxr> saw off your bar ...
10:58  * rxr breakfast
12:03 < rxr> re
12:09  * valentin showering
12:22  * rxr coffee ...
12:59 < rxr>  ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -deps=none mod_ruby zsh bzflag esound unionfs dosfstools udev gtkmm klear xlockmore imagemagick openexrgocr
12:59 < rxr> ^- me testing this updates ...
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13:10 < CIA-7> rene * r9577 /trunk/package/audio/esound/esound.desc: * updated esound (0.2.35 -> 0.2.36)
13:11 < CIA-7> rene * r9578 /trunk/package/shells/zsh/zsh.desc: * updated zsh (4.2.4 -> 4.2.5)
13:13 < rxr> re
13:13 < rxr> valentin: when do we get profile switching in the kde tray ...
13:13 < rxr> and the sudo rules do not work on my iBook - even not after updating sudo to HEAD ...
13:13 < rxr> I now used ALL= instead of localhost
13:20 < valentin> hm ?
13:20 < valentin> strange - the rules work here
13:20 < rxr> might be whatever ...
13:21 < valentin> ok, can you update the readme ?
13:21 < rxr> I just use the ALL for the hostname for now ...
13:21 < valentin> can you ping localhost ?
13:21 < rxr> the app crashes when I select my prebuild o2-csd rule
13:21 < valentin> i have the same rule
13:21 < rxr> $ ping localhost
13:21 < rxr> PING localhost.localnet (127.0.0.1): 56 octets data
13:21 < rxr> 64 octets from 127.0.0.1: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.2 ms
13:21 < rxr> reproduceable
13:21 < rxr> start - slect o2-csd and crash
13:21 < valentin> can you give me the config file for testing ?
13:22 < rxr> the usual crap in the backtrace ...
13:22 < rxr> it is on my iBook ...
13:22 < rxr> well - I copy it on the server
13:22 < valentin> i have the o2-csd config here - did you edit it ?
13:22 < rxr> should be perform some live cd finalizing afternnon ?
13:22 < rxr> nope
13:23 < rxr> maybe it is the combination of the whole file 
13:23 < valentin> yes, but i should test the modem before
13:23 < rxr> os-gprs crashes, too
13:23 < valentin> maybe i edited it, too
13:23 < rxr> hm
13:23 < rxr> strange
13:23 < rxr> home is active
13:24 < rxr> the app starts fine - and home is listed active
13:24 < rxr> when I reclick on active it does also crash
13:24 < rxr> any other profile works fine
13:24 < rxr> "only" those three are crashing
13:25 < rxr> the config is on grum's root home dir ...
13:25 < rxr> valentin: sure that we need to do some more work on netconf before we ship the CD ...
13:25 < rxr> e.g. shouldn't we also include some nicer icons?
13:26 < rxr> the dot lists the active profile, right?
13:26 < rxr> shoudl I replace it with some kde checkmark ?
13:26 < valentin> yes
13:26 < valentin> if you want so, feel free :)
13:26 < rxr> do you want this dot ?
13:26 < valentin> i will focus on feature stability rather than artwork
13:26 < rxr> sure - I could do the icons ...
13:26 < valentin> if you have nicer icons, go ahead
13:27 < CIA-7> rene * r9579 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc: * updated imagemagick (6.2.2-0 -> 6.2.3-0)
13:27 < rxr> when do you come?
13:27 < rxr> something like soon - so we finish at some reasonable time?
13:30 < valentin> yes, i'll leave something like soon
13:30 < valentin> have to buy some food before
13:31 < rxr> as you wish
13:31 < rxr> hm - when I crate a new modem profile all is fine - clicking on activate, too
13:31 < rxr> but when I select another profile and switch back to the new test ppp profile it crashes, too
13:35 < valentin> hm ?
13:35 < valentin> what do you have for bugs ...
13:35 < valentin> still working on your old config ?
13:37 < rxr> yep
13:38 < valentin> hm
13:38 < valentin> i'll test it, mom
13:38 < rxr> .o(it's apple's fault - their stinky slow PPC hardwrae ...)
13:41 < valentin> ???
13:41 < rxr> just joking ...
13:42 < valentin> hm, you are right, your config crashes
13:42 < rxr> puh
13:42  * rxr is not too dumb ...
13:43 < rxr> oum
13:43 < rxr> f*ck
13:43 < rxr> my iBook is not waking up from sleep anymore ...
13:43 < rxr> (under linux)
13:44 < valentin> maybe i injected that bug when i implenented the quoting yesterday, but i am not sure
13:44 < rxr> best save it without the passwords in the testsuite ...
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13:50 < rxr> valentin: but go shopping and come over rather sooner then later - I hope it is more productive to work together here ..
13:50 < valentin> btw: i get an serial port: No such file or directory
13:50 < valentin> where is this comming from ?
13:51 < valentin> rxr: ok, i'll leave now
13:51 < rxr> do not knwo off hand
13:51 < rxr> where do you get it and when ?
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13:55 < rxr> klear does not build - if anyone, ...
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14:37 < morfoh> cu guys
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15:34 < mnemoc> rehi
15:35 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
15:36 < rxr> i just noticed on most OSs the network icons are totally stupid ...
15:36 < rxr> not that kde or gnome would have good ones ...
15:42 < mnemoc> hi rxr 
15:43 < rxr> mnemoc: have you looked at valentin netconf ?
15:44 < mnemoc> not not
15:44 < mnemoc> err
15:44 < mnemoc> not yet
15:44 < rxr> I just inject nicer icons ...
15:44 < rxr> a pain in the ass th choose / paint some ...
15:45 < rxr> especially not as brain dead as the OS X ones ...
15:46 < mnemoc> what is a brain dead icon?
15:47 < rxr> an icon that just sucks ...
15:47 < mnemoc> :)
15:47 < rxr> the modem icons are quite usable:
15:47 < rxr> accessible
15:47 < rxr> err:process:GetProcessDword -4: process 16 not ac
15:47 < rxr> oeh ?
15:47 < rxr> http://www.musc.edu/infoservices/macosx/macosxmodem.html
15:49 < rxr> but:
15:49 < rxr> http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/owlmac/dhcp.html
15:49 < rxr> you have 2 possibilities to go to network there - on the top and on the button
15:49 < rxr> then the icon is not that good - and not too different frlom .mac ...
15:50 < mnemoc> the first is the second, plus an rj45 hole
15:51 < rxr> ouhm - now I wind no good examels off-hand ...
15:51 < rxr> the ethernet icon is basically: <-->
15:51 < rxr> and the wlan some circles - where the wlan is not too bda ...
15:52 < rxr> http://support.gci.net/kb/kb118/osx/osx_003.gif
15:52 < rxr> ^- here is the big OR user interface design bug better highlighted
15:53 < mnemoc> the world?
15:53 < rxr> yeah - cool icon, right?
15:54 < mnemoc> remembers me the old iexplorer 4 icon :p
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16:00 < CIA-7> rene * r9586 /trunk/package/graphic/gocr/gocr.desc: * updated gocr (0.39 -> 0.40)
16:03 < CIA-7> rene * r9587 /trunk/package/ruby/mod_ruby/mod_ruby.desc: * updated mod_ruby (1.0.6 -> 1.2.4)
16:06 < rxr> ouhm - my important download is again stalled ... - how do normal peoeple that do not have other work and so many package updates on the TODO overlive this P2P slowness ?
16:07 < mnemoc> rxr: can we handle updates on a more 'usefull' way... i mean proposing updates looping over ${ver%.*} so i get 1.0.7 as proposal, you get 1.2.5 as proposal and also 1.3.1 ?
16:07 < rxr> mnemoc: I already have some more important "reject junk versions and other stray stuff embedded in the file name" updates
16:07 < rxr> I think addind more magic interpretation to the update tracker is a no-do
16:08 < rxr> it will get an unmaintainable mess
16:08 < mnemoc> what are you using for pattern matching?
16:08 < rxr> we are not too dump - you just scroll over the report and see if there is some minor update pending - and get reminded that there is - ro soon will be - another major version
16:08 < mnemoc> pcre?
16:08 < rxr> I do not pattern match at all
16:09 < mnemoc> oh
16:09 < rxr> not in the class sense
16:09 < rxr> mnemoc: let's see how this works out in the mid-term
16:10 < mnemoc> ok, but remember i can't merge stuff you have on a different major version
16:10 < rxr> I fix my known issues to reject crap like -cygwins-favourite and one bug where the versoin comperator and then we see how it turns out
16:10 < mnemoc> :)
16:10 < mnemoc> i liked old patterns matching due to that 
16:11 < rxr> if you want smarter reporting I first need to extract a whole lot of "in use version crap" to see if I can find a way to add such a piece of code with the wild and borked way people name their packages ...
16:11 < rxr> mnemoc: it is not pure pattern matching
16:11 < mnemoc> i know
16:11 < rxr> e.g. the version comparing is quite smart in sorting right now - and I plan to fix the last holes
16:11 < rxr> and I also want to add iterating over top level dirs in certain caes
16:11 < keinek> morning
16:11 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
16:12 < rxr> e.g. for mozila, gnome et.al. for those who sort one version per dir or simillar
16:12 < keinek> no errors mnemoc :(
16:12 < rxr> hi keinek 
16:12 < keinek> is the first time that i am sad for no error
16:12 < keinek> :D
16:12 < keinek> hi rxr
16:12 < rxr> and also reporting major updates is a _feature_ so susan can run it over gnome when 2.12 or so get out ...
16:14 < mnemoc> i understand the feature for trunk
16:15 < mnemoc> but i fear the 'system' gets useless for stables branches
16:16 < mnemoc> keinek: please report _any_ trouble using 2.1.0-rc1 tag
16:16 < mnemoc> keinek: or 2.1 branch, which is versioned as rc2 currenltly
16:21 < mnemoc> rxr: it may be better to split the code, one for grabbing and cleaning html creating a cache   and another using this cache to search for updates, with or without 'step ahead' feature taking a tree as reference
16:22 < mnemoc> rxr: that way you run one grabber by cron and three analizers
16:23 < keinek> mnemoc, ok.
16:24 < mnemoc> rxr: one analizer comparing cache with 2.1 branch (without step ahead), one analizer comparing with trunk (without step ahead) and another comparing with trunk only notifing step ahead updates
16:24 < mnemoc> rxr: with different subjects on notifications, so people can use the data easier
16:25 < mnemoc> rxr: i think this way the code and the notification will be cleaner
16:29 < keinek> i go to the gym, in two hour i will back, i work with the games of t2 :)
16:31 < valentin> re
16:31 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
16:31 < rxr> mnemoc: I tought for 2.1 we only merge from trunk (mostly that is) anyway ...
16:32 < mnemoc> yes, but i can't if you jump to the next major
16:32 < mnemoc> example a 2.10.3 after 2.12.1
16:32 < rxr> yep
16:33 < mnemoc> then, i have to track updates myself making the update notifier useless for me
16:33 < mnemoc> in that hipotetic case
16:37 < mnemoc> -i mnemoc -j DROP
16:38 < rxr> ?
16:38 < mnemoc> :)
16:38 < mnemoc> -j REJECT returns answers :p
16:38 < rxr> did you expect some answer?
16:39 < mnemoc> a comment
16:39 < mnemoc> something
16:39 < rxr> yes - you are right I'll take care
16:39 < mnemoc> :|
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18:38 < keinek> i back
18:38 < keinek> :)
18:39 < mnemoc> isn't it late for you?
18:40 < keinek> today i dont work
18:40 < keinek> "paro"
18:40 < keinek> "paro docente"
18:47 < mnemoc> teachers on strike :)
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19:25 < mnemoc> rxr: i did wrong supporting O lines on package list on Emerge-Pkg :(
19:25 < mnemoc> rxr: that bypass target restrictions
19:26 < mnemoc> rxr: i should have changed it to run Config -oldconfig
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19:53 < valentin> re
20:01 < mnemoc> re valentin 
20:15 < rxr> mnemoc: should I add dhcp discovery including a /etc/conf/network with eth0(dhcp) as generic default - or only for desktop/livecd?
20:15 < mnemoc> why not on default profile?
20:16 < rxr> hm?
20:16 < rxr> ah - ok
20:16 < mnemoc> but consider rocknet starts that stuff
20:17 < mnemoc> so you _will_ have network before finishing runlevel 3
20:17 < mnemoc> rockplug i mean
20:17 < mnemoc> how does hotplug++ work in that context?
20:18 < mnemoc> uhm... i guess it's bad to have preconfigured network on generic
20:21 < rxr> well - I think we are in the new millenium - computer sould do some work for _us_
20:22 < rxr> I think to default to do dhcp discovery with a pretty tiny timeout is reasonable
20:22 < rxr> sysadmis will be able to set it up they like 
20:23 < mnemoc> i doubt on dhcp rocknet module
20:23 < mnemoc> we have three
20:23 < mnemoc> to use the three different dhcp clients we ship
20:24 < mnemoc> using an unified dhcp rocknet option we could ship a pre-set eth0 interface
20:25 < rxr> ok - I only do it on my desktop@live for now ..
20:25 < mnemoc> dhcp\ndrop all
20:27 < mnemoc> everyday i hate rocknet implementation more :(
20:27 < mnemoc> but i like etc/conf/network
20:29 < rxr> guess how cool rocknet was before I reworked the most annoying parts ..
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20:30 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly 
20:30 < sparc-kly> hi mnemoc what sup :P
20:31 < mnemoc> rxr: people need to be able to add/remove rules without dropping the interface, and the tool needs to detect when it fail and when something is already up or down
20:32 < mnemoc> rxr: but yes... first versions of rocknet were unusable
20:32 < rxr> ack on all
20:33 < rxr> I'm not yet sure whether to rewrite 100% or further improve before some later rewrite
20:33 < rxr> one fix for the edit before down would be to save the down rules into some state file
20:33 < rxr> so a down takes down for what was brought up ...
20:35 < mnemoc> transactional interfaces configuration :p
20:36 < rxr> ack
20:37 < rxr> I think at the end of this year we have a quite polished OS ,-)
20:37 < mnemoc> yeah
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20:40 < CIA-7> * updated wxpython (2.6.0.1 -> 2.6.1.0)
20:40 < CIA-7> * updated wxwidgets (2.6.0.0 -> 2.6.1.0)
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22:05 < morfoh> hi folks
22:07 < rxr> hi morfoh 
22:07 < rxr> I thought you wanted to fall into bed ...
22:08 < [lewellyn]> perhaps he fell out? :(
22:08 < morfoh> rxr: ahhh! I don't know ....I'm not tired atm. and wanted to check my mails and say hello :)
22:08 < mnemoc> hi zombie-mofo
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22:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: I just know one zombie here 
22:09 < mnemoc> valentin?
22:09 < mnemoc> :)
22:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: and he is from ch*le
22:09 < mnemoc> :)
22:09 < morfoh> :p
22:10 < morfoh> my "little rat" was quite happy to see after being more than 24h alone 
22:10 < morfoh> to see me 
22:10 < mnemoc> your rat loves you
22:10 < [lewellyn]> rat as in rodent or child?
22:10 < morfoh> arrgg ... hmmm ... perhaps I'm a zombie too
22:11 -!- You're now known as valentin-zombie
22:11 < valentin-zombie> huah
22:11 < mnemoc> :D
22:11 < valentin-zombie> eaten up rxr
22:11 < valentin-zombie> now i will eat u all
22:11 < valentin-zombie> cu later
22:11 -!- You're now known as rxr
22:11 < mnemoc> that's not good for your stomach
22:12 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: it's not a real rat but a rodent, yes
22:12 < morfoh> and he seems to like me :)
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22:13 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9589 /trunk/package/ruby/rmagick/ (. rmagick.cache rmagick.desc): * added rmagick (1.8.1)
22:13 < morfoh> does anybody what kernel module I need to connect a digicam via usb ?
22:14 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: rodents are generally friendly :)
22:14 < [lewellyn]> (except for the ones you find in sewers... *shudder*)
22:14 < mnemoc> hehe
22:14 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: which make of digicam?
22:14 < [lewellyn]> iirc, mine just needs usb-storage
22:14 < morfoh> HP 
22:15 < morfoh> HP R707
22:15 < morfoh> but it's not recognized by usb-storage so far :/
22:17 < morfoh> I will replace the frontpage of my "www2 building site" with a picture of my "rat" hiding inside of a computer case :)
22:17 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: indications are that 2.6.11 broke that model
22:18 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: do you have an URL regarding this info ?
22:18 < [lewellyn]> patches were mentioned for 2.6.12, let me hunt them down.
22:18 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: thanks :)
22:21 < morfoh> .oO( now he bites me .... damn ... guess he is pissed )o
22:21 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: does gphoto like it, btw? someone mentioned that as a workaround
22:22 < morfoh> ohhh ... I can try that ... aven't yet
22:22 < morfoh> haven't even
22:22 < CIA-7> amery * r9590 /branches/nestedtargets/: * created netstedtargets branch of trunk/scripts to implement mnemoc's nested targets feature
22:24 < rxr> mnemoc: why?
22:24 < rxr> can't we do the other stuff first?
22:24 < mnemoc> i need it
22:24 < rxr> ouhm
22:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, I think I did a mistake with the desktop build because I updated to rc2 branch, but noticed it very late
22:24 < rxr> 2.2 based?
22:25 < mnemoc> do you prefer 2.1?
22:25 < rxr> argh
22:25 < rxr> why did you only branch scripts ?
22:25 < mnemoc> rxr: i just need a place to commit and diff
22:26 < rxr> ok ok - /me silent
22:26 < mnemoc> because it only affect scripts/
22:26 < rxr> but this is not how brunching should be done
22:26 < mnemoc> yes yes i know
22:26 < rxr> you can still create a whole branch and only switch your scripts ...
22:27 < mnemoc> i can't get switch to work :(
22:27 < rxr> uh ?
22:27 < rxr> svn switch http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/freaky-nesting/scripts scripts
22:28 < mnemoc> without --relocate?
22:28 < rxr> of course!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:28 < rxr> --relocat is dump sed like internal url substitution for ___moved servers___ such
22:28 < mnemoc> oh
22:28 < rxr> never ever add --relocate unless a server moved ... !!!!!!!!!!
22:29 < mnemoc> :p
22:29 < mnemoc> that's why i killed my trees :p
22:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: but anyway rc2 is on a good way I think :)
22:29 < rxr> mnemoc: useful is written with one l
22:29 < morfoh> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/desktop/regressions.html
22:30 < mnemoc> rxr: *ful is always with one l?
22:30 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm not sure if nested targets a such a common need
22:30 < morfoh> It's a bit late because I had to stopid because I needed the machine
22:30 < rxr> mnemoc: I think all, yes
22:30 < morfoh> rxr: yes I like the concept too
22:30 < rxr> mnemoc: e.g. the patch inheritance might often not be desired
22:32 < rxr> well - but on the other hand one does not need to enable nesting if not needed ...
22:32 < mnemoc> without inheritance you would always need to hack on config or clone the generic target
22:32 < mnemoc> it's only considered if target has 'extends' file/field
22:33 < rxr> mnemoc: I notified the list that you branched ...
22:33 < [lewellyn]> morfoh: HP PhotoSmart R707 uses PTP and should be mountable by usb-storage. patch url forthcoming :)
22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: ok... can you build ppc ISOs?
22:34 < rxr> ah - there was s.th. ...
22:34 < rxr> yep I start the build ... ,-)
22:34 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: cooooool :)
22:34 < mnemoc> :)
22:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: should I start a rc1 build tomorrow too ?
22:35 < CIA-7> amery * r9591 /branches/nestedtargets/parse-config: * changed parse-config to detect targetchain
22:35 < mnemoc> morfoh: why not?
22:35 < morfoh> perhaps we can gain some speed due to heavy ccache use ;)
22:35 < mnemoc> :)
22:35 < [lewellyn]> bah. read the thread that was linked to. the patch fails to work :(
22:36 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: oh! :(
22:36 < CIA-7> amery * r9592 /branches/nestedtargets/Download: * changed Download to detect and use $targetchain
22:36 < morfoh> .oO( I don't want to boot this windooze just to get the pictures out of the cam  )o what a pain
22:37 < [lewellyn]>  http://lists.zerezo.com/linux-usb-users/msg00084.html
22:37 < morfoh> click
22:37 < [lewellyn]> good patches and traball with System.map et al
22:37 < [lewellyn]> also a pointer on who to bug to get the kernel fixed :)
22:39 < CIA-7> amery * r9593 /branches/nestedtargets/functions: * added get_expanded function to replace % with a list of values
22:41 < [lewellyn]> i just read the rest of that thread (or most of it, at least)... looks like 2.6.11 may not be the culprit, but the web seems to not have had issues before 2.6.11...
22:42 < [lewellyn]> you know, with all the freezing temperatures that hell's been having lately, i'm really surprised that linus hasn't started 2.7 yet :)
22:42 < morfoh> I compiled a new kernel today for my thinkpad ... I'll try that ...
22:42 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: I guess he is writing his own versioning system :)
22:44 < rxr> [lewellyn]: morfoh: I have not followed all - but maybe it does not work due to the famn ub driver 
22:44 < rxr> ?
22:44 < rxr> that is alrady disabled complete in latest T2s ...
22:44 < morfoh> rxr: yes you warned me regarding ub
22:45 < morfoh> perhaps it will flash the cam bios and it's becoming a toaster :)
22:45 < mnemoc> morfoh: i forgot to escape % on get_expanded... that's why it failed
22:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: ah! .)
22:46 < [lewellyn]> ub is an apparent workaround
22:46 < [lewellyn]> but the patch to usb-storage is probably better overall
22:46 < CIA-7> amery * r9594 /branches/nestedtargets/ (Build-Pkg functions): 
22:46 < CIA-7> * changed detect_patches to inherite patches from targetchain
22:46 < CIA-7> * changed build_package and Build-Pkg to look at the targetchain for pkg_$pkg.conf and pkg-header
22:48 < morfoh> damn this #ub*ntu is full of people 
22:49 < rxr> and ?
22:49 < rxr> morfoh: why do you wonder ?
22:49 < morfoh> rxr: hmmm ... haven't expected that ... that's all ---
22:50 < rxr> morfoh: it is hyped all over the net
22:50 < rxr> why also need some rich bilonair ...
22:50 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... I know ... big bucks behind
22:50 < CIA-7> amery * r9595 /branches/nestedtargets/Build-Tools: * changed Build-Tools to look for wrappers and other tools on the targetchain
22:50 < morfoh> rxr: but don't worry ... it's not t2 league ;)
22:50 < [lewellyn]> rxr: first you need your livecd to be released :)
22:51 < [lewellyn]> then get /. to refer to it as "better than knoppix!"
22:51 < morfoh> [lewellyn]: yes indeed .... the livecd is a key 
22:51 < [lewellyn]> boom! instant fame!
22:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: bdb-java fails just with this log message -> The package build aborted with the following config error:
22:53 < morfoh> pkgprefix: package java-dirtree is not present
22:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: not merged yet ... or what ?
22:55 < mnemoc> of course it is
22:55 < mnemoc> you missed java-dirtree in your pkgsel
22:55 < mnemoc> desktop... uhm
22:55 < mnemoc> rxr: should i add java-dirtree or remove all java/* from it?
22:56 < morfoh> ah! ... mnemoc you know I'm just partially here right now ;)
22:56 < mnemoc> :)
22:56 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
22:56 < rxr> I need more input ...
22:56 < rxr> I'm not following jaba bits ...
22:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess he wants to remove it ... he hates jave ---
22:56 < mnemoc> rxr: all java packages depend on java-dirtree
22:56 < rxr> they carry this properitary sun label that make them extremly uninteresting for me ...
22:56 < rxr> and ?
22:56 < mnemoc> rxr: bdb-java inclusive
22:57 < mnemoc> rxr: but java-dirtree is not part of your sed pkgsel
22:57 < mnemoc> rxr: and somehow bdb-java is
22:57 < rxr> you mean desktop ?
22:57 < mnemoc> yep
22:57 < mnemoc> 2.1
22:57 < rxr> add the java junk ... I would say ...
22:57 < morfoh> hehe :)
22:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: can you? :)
22:59 < morfoh> adding it to branch now ... ?
22:59 < mnemoc> if it builds, add to trunk, merge to branch and merge to tag :p
23:00 < mnemoc> tag is just a reference until we reaaaaly relesease rc1 :p
23:00 < morfoh> ok ... let's see :)
23:00 < mnemoc> http://www.dreamprojections.com/SyntaxHighlighter/Examples.aspx <--- i'm inlove with this javascript
23:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: hopefully you cleaned your display ... :)
23:01  * morfoh hides
23:02 < mnemoc> :)
23:02 < rxr> it is highlighting in the browser or what ?
23:02 < mnemoc> yep
23:02 < mnemoc> client-side
23:02 < rxr> hm - why so ?
23:02 < rxr> just for the sake of it ?
23:02 < mnemoc> he designed it for code snipets 
23:02 < mnemoc> i want it for my web based IDE
23:03 < rxr> web based IDE ?
23:03 < [lewellyn]> hm.
23:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: what a web based IDE you're talking about ... ?
23:03 < [lewellyn]> it would be slightly more useful if it used amonospaced font
23:03  * rxr is also wondering ...
23:03 < rxr> [lewellyn]: ack - it is not mono in konqueror as well
23:03 < rxr> I could test in IE in wine now ,-)
23:03 < rxr> now that I haev it ...
23:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: thought I'm the only one here with some bad mental constitution :)
23:03 < mnemoc> :)
23:04 < mnemoc> i want a web based editor with some IDE fucntionality
23:04 < rxr> what for ?
23:04 < [lewellyn]> it doesn't support enough languages to be useful to me :/
23:04 < morfoh> rxr: for love :)
23:05  * [lewellyn] bookmarks it anyway, perhaps it can be easily fixed ;)
23:05 < mnemoc> rxr: to let people use cool tools even if they don't have them installed
23:05 < mnemoc> rxr: integrated with svn and a repository manager
23:06 < mnemoc> i wanted it for a thesis... but i'll quit university... but i still interested
23:06 < rxr> you will quit ?
23:07 < mnemoc> i'll try to suspent... but i'm not sure they accept my request
23:07 < mnemoc> suspend*
23:07 < [lewellyn]> why do you want to quit?
23:07 < mnemoc> i don't have money to pay it
23:08 < rxr> ouhm
23:08 < [lewellyn]> :(
23:08 < rxr> mnemoc: how much of your study is missing ?
23:08 < mnemoc> one dedicated year
23:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: damn :(
23:09 < rxr> ouhm
23:09 < rxr> and how much money?
23:09 < morfoh> how much is a year ?
23:10 < mnemoc> around 5200 dollars
23:10 < rxr> ouhm
23:10 < rxr> that much?
23:10 < [lewellyn]> if i had the money and could be considered a t2 sponsor in that case, i'd help :)
23:10 < rxr> all for the uni ?
23:10 < mnemoc> just univ.
23:10 < rxr> oh my god ...
23:11 < [lewellyn]> 5200 which currency?
23:11 < mnemoc> us dollars
23:11 < rxr> mnemoc: migrate to germany 
23:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: then you should buy a ticket and coming over here finishing your studies
23:11 < morfoh> hehe :D
23:11 < mnemoc> :)
23:12 < rxr> yeah - and join the T2 empire that set out to replaec M$ (or so)
23:12 < morfoh> rxr: but they want to establish sth. like that in germany too 
23:12 < rxr> morfoh: I know ...
23:12 < morfoh> rxr: EEEEEVIL
23:12 < rxr> dumb politicans ...
23:12 < mnemoc> migration with children is hard
23:12 < morfoh> rxr: no! wise politicians
23:12 < rxr> mnemoc: didn't you want to mirgate to europe anyway sss
23:12 < rxr> ? even
23:13 < mnemoc> i want, but i can't
23:13 < morfoh> they don't need educated people 
23:13 < mnemoc> i would need a job, a house, school, etc...
23:13 < mnemoc> not easy for an inmigrant
23:13 < mnemoc> s/house/\$house/
23:14 < rxr> in germany we need childrens - with how many do we have for years? 1.x chils per family? soon the contry with the oldest people on earth ?
23:14 < morfoh> rxr: so go ahead and make some :)
23:14 < rxr> one day ...
23:14 < mnemoc> :)
23:14 < morfoh> haha
23:15 < rxr> maybe first get mnemoc over here ... ,-)
23:15 < mnemoc> and you, mofo?
23:15 < mnemoc> morfo*
23:15 < mnemoc> morfoh*
23:15 < morfoh> the first child is named T1 I guess
23:15 < rxr> A  (bin)  package/network/knetconf/.knetconf.desc.swp
23:15 < rxr> ouhm
23:15 < mnemoc> *LOL*
23:15 < morfoh> Try One
23:15 < morfoh> the Try Two
23:15 < morfoh> then
23:15 < CIA-7> rene * r9596 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/ (. knetconf.cache knetconf.desc): * added knetconf (r250)
23:16 < morfoh> and the second is all time in better position ... I know what I'm talking about
23:17 < mnemoc> rxr: tikets are less expensive than not finding a job
23:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess you'd find one
23:18 < mnemoc> :)
23:18 < CIA-7> amery * r9597 /branches/nestedtargets/Build-Target: * changed Build-Target to look for build.sh on the targetchain
23:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: but you know ... I'll go away from germany in the near future 
23:19 < mnemoc> you have more freedom than i :)
23:19 < rxr> morfoh: in the Berlin T2 Inc. International ?
23:19 < mnemoc> :D
23:20 < rxr> we need to get the commerial project arround T2 going ...
23:20 < rxr> so we can make a better living out of it ...
23:20 < morfoh> rxr: I have to establish T2 Branch and T2 Academy in Cameroon ... 
23:20 < mnemoc> what happened to motorola thing?
23:21 < rxr> mnemoc: nothing yes - mostly since I had not time to prepare colorful T2 / ExactCode presentation paper
23:21 < rxr> you know - hacking most of the day ...
23:21 < rxr> and already doing other PR ...
23:21 < rxr> so /me squashing a new live.squash - with mozilla and openoffice ... and knetconf ,-)
23:21 < mnemoc> the magazine will be great PR
23:21 < rxr> ouhm - yeah - just that the livecd is already a bit too delayed ...
23:21 < mnemoc> :(
23:24 < rxr> mnemoc: all will come out well ...
23:25 < rxr> ok - I'll crawl into bed and get up early - I hope around 4 or 5 - that is in 5 6o 6 hours ...
23:26 < rxr> s/6o/to/ ...
23:26 < rxr> p2p is really for people with too much time ...
23:27 < morfoh> oh yeah ... I'm not tired ... but I think it would be a wise decision to go sleep too ... 
23:27 < mnemoc> rxr: torrents are faster
23:27 < rxr> http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20050609.@03&irec=2
23:28 < rxr> Microsoft 'may legalize' illegal Windows for $1
23:28 < morfoh> nice trick ... they do so if they're in fear
23:29 < mnemoc> rxr: that goes against economics laws
23:29 < rxr> mnemoc: only in india or so ...
23:29 < mnemoc> rxr: if you charge, you have to charge over your costs
23:30 < rxr> mnemoc: one US$ for every raw copy in use in the government - that should be 50.00 US$ according to the article ...
23:30 < mnemoc> oh
23:30 < rxr> 50.000 of course ...
23:30 < mnemoc> yes
23:30 < mnemoc> here they offered to 'rent' ms office to schools
23:31 < morfoh> rxr: any special wishes for the place of the beloved java stuff in the desktop target?
23:31 < rxr> place ?
23:31 < rxr> java?
23:31 < morfoh> config.in
23:31 < rxr> you want to throw some liquid water into your computer ?
23:31 < morfoh> you've sorted it quite lovely :)
23:31 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you thinkg about pkgsel.sed instead of hardcoded inside config.in?
23:32 < rxr> well - at the end? where the crap belongs ... ,-)
23:32 < rxr> just joking ...
23:32 < rxr> well - at the end no the less ..
23:32 < rxr> yes, we need to improve package selection
23:32 < mnemoc> rxr: the backward/forward issue i mentioned on my mail about netsted targets
23:32 < rxr> but look at the embedded and desktop target they need it dynamic
23:32 < rxr> maybe try to get this into your design ,-)
23:33 < mnemoc> they can't be more dynamic than mnemosyne :)
23:33 < morfoh> oooohhhhh!
23:33 < morfoh> :)
23:33 < rxr> this amule it wonderfull - I get data in rates of a v.90 modem and push 1.5 the data into the net of what I got ...
23:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: you see now he switches the topic :)
23:33 < mnemoc> :P
23:34  * rxr ?
23:34  * rxr crawls into bed ...
23:34 < mnemoc> to have a usable (by humans) package selection with need a real categorization
23:34 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 
23:34 < morfoh> good night rxr ...till tomorrow
23:35 < CIA-7> amery * r9598 /branches/nestedtargets/config.in: * changed config.in to _detect_ to targetchain
23:37 < rxr> -rw-rw-r--  1 root root 669921280 Jun  9 23:36 live.squash
23:37 < rxr> how much goes on a CD ?
23:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: if the java stuff will buid after I added java-dirtree ... just spamassassin is causing some problem :/
23:38 < morfoh> rxr: it depends ... 
23:38 < rxr> well - KNOPPIX is bigger ...
23:38 < morfoh> 720MB
23:38 < rxr> -rw-r--r--  1 rene users 719603712 Apr  8 18:00 /home/rene/KNOPPIX_V3.8.1-2005-04-08-EN.iso
23:38 < rxr> ouhm - in one of the next completely "Build-Target" built versions I need to optmize some crap away ...
23:38 < mnemoc> morfoh: is balsa on 'desktop'?
23:39 < rxr> it should not be that big ...
23:39 < rxr> -rw-r--r--  1 rene users 675211264 Jun  9 23:38 t2.iso
23:39 < mnemoc> have you tried java-less ooo?
23:39 < mnemoc> runtime
23:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: no balsa
23:40  * rxr updating the rsync location
23:40 < rxr> but it will be _much_ bigger thatn the previous releases and is _UNTESTE_
23:40 < rxr> because I wanna sleep _NOW_
23:40 < rxr> +D
23:40 < rxr> ,-)
23:42 < CIA-7> chris * r9599 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * added java-dirtree to desktop target to hopefully fix bdb-java stuff
23:42 < morfoh> oh! nice revision
23:43 < morfoh> let's see who will commit r9999 
23:43 < rxr> and who 10000
23:43 < rxr> (and what ROCK's rev will be at that time ,-)
23:44 < morfoh> of course you will
23:44  * rxr ? no ..
23:44 < morfoh> rxr: rock bashing before sleeping??
23:44 < rxr> r6018
23:44 < rxr> morfoh: I'm sleeping ...
23:44 < mnemoc> :)
23:45 < mnemoc> he dreams bashing :)
23:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: hehe  ... a bit evil he is :)
23:45 < mnemoc> :)
23:45 < rxr> oh - my ...
23:46 < rxr> ok - fellows - cu soon ,-)
23:46 < mnemoc> to much tea makes people evil
23:46 < rxr> sent 107695812 bytes  received 167574 bytes  584625.40 bytes/sec
23:46 < rxr> total size is 675211264  speedup is 6.26
23:46 < morfoh> rxr: good night :)
23:46 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you drink ?=
23:46 < morfoh> coffee he drinks :)
23:46 < morfoh> coffee makes aggressive :)
23:47 < mnemoc> at office i drink lots of cocacola :)
23:47 < rxr> yeah ...
23:47 < morfoh> holy shit
23:47 < rxr> mnemoc: still the drinks copany ?
23:47 < mnemoc> but yes, i prefer coffee
23:47 < rxr> company ...
23:47 < morfoh> this can't be the truth 
23:47 < mnemoc> rxr: yep
23:47 < rxr> mnemoc: I brougth two new chilean wines this week
23:47 < mnemoc> rxr: what brand?
23:47 < rxr> but they re not open yet ... 
23:47 < rxr> ouhm - /me tapping into the kitchen ...
23:48 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-207-250.prtc.net] has joined #t2
23:48 < morfoh> tap tap tap ... isn't far away ...
23:48 < mnemoc> tap tap
23:48 < mnemoc> tap tap
23:48 < mnemoc> tap tap tap
23:48 < rxr> so:
23:48 < sparc-kly> tick tap 
23:48 < rxr> cimarosa - malbec - central valley
23:49 < mnemoc> no idea what that is :p
23:49 < morfoh> hi sparc-kly ... do you have a peg leg ... or why tick tap ?
23:49 < morfoh> :)
23:49 < mnemoc> hehe
23:49 < rxr> merlet 
23:49 < mnemoc> rxr: both?
23:49 < sparc-kly> i have peg leg . 
23:50 < rxr> agricola san jose s.a. chile
23:50 < sparc-kly> LOL
23:50 < mnemoc> merlot is nice
23:50 < rxr> yeha?
23:50 < rxr> yeah ... - even
23:50 < rxr> ?
23:50 < mnemoc> i like it
23:50 < morfoh> sparc-kly: really ?
23:50 < rxr> should I go getting some more into the queue until the special offer ends ... ?
23:51 < morfoh> rxr: where do you bought it ?
23:51 < mnemoc> rxr: try it first
23:51 < mnemoc> rxr: not all merlot are the same :)
23:51 < rxr> ah - the fist one has this bottler:
23:51 < rxr> chaval 
23:52 < morfoh> mnemoc: are you into "drinking business" ?
23:52 < mnemoc> not me, but my employeer
23:52 < rxr> mnemoc: do you know chaval s.a. chile ?
23:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: ah!
23:54 < mnemoc> rxr: no... the small wineries are which export more, and they only export :)
23:54 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm trying to google for it, and i can't find anything :)
23:55 < mnemoc> rxr: chaval, on some latin countries means 'kid'
23:55 < rxr> jjm
23:55 < rxr> hm even ...
23:55 < rxr> n8 all
23:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: you could even organize some containers full of wine for us ... for a big wine tasting session in rxr flat :)
23:56 < mnemoc> according to prochile.cl it is close to my city :D
23:57 < mnemoc> hehe
23:57 < mnemoc> if i go there someday, i'll give you some wine :)
23:57 < mnemoc> or do you prefer beer? 
23:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: you could even reserve some space for you in the containe and join us
23:58 < morfoh> I like both ... but I don't drink much alcohol
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