--- Log opened Sat Jun 04 00:00:56 2005 00:08 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.14.50] has joined #t2 00:08 < keinek> hi 00:49 < valentin> hi keinek 00:57 < _Lewellyn> hoi keinek 00:59 < jeru> hi keinek 00:59 < jeru> will go sleep now ... good night 00:59 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFC0B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:01 < valentin> gn8 01:02 < valentin> i think i will rest now, too 01:02 < valentin> maybe i will come back later in case i cannot sleep yet 01:02 < valentin> last days i have been up till dawn 01:02 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin 01:03 < valentin> and i will try to get rid of this habbit 01:03 < valentin> thanks, mnemoc 01:03 < mnemoc> i am sleeping more than ever... but i don't rest :| 01:05 < valentin> so nervous about your life ? 01:06 < mnemoc> i think 01:06 < mnemoc> yesterday i slept 12 hours! and i woke up more tired than before going to bed 01:07 < valentin> maybe you should take a free day 01:07 < valentin> we need you in the future 01:09 < mnemoc> i can't affort a free day :| 01:10 < valentin> if you manage to reduce your sleep from 12h to 8h then you will have a free day every 6 days 01:10 < mnemoc> i'm used to sleep 2-3 01:12 < mnemoc> but since last week i can't wake up.... my daughters do it 01:14 < valentin> so, me away now, cu 01:16 < mnemoc> cu valentin 02:11 < valentin> short re 02:13 < _Lewellyn> while you're back... 02:13 < _Lewellyn> can you use the free day to sleep? :) 02:13 < valentin> good idea :) 02:14 < valentin> about 8 weeks left before i will not sleep a whole night for month ... 02:16 < _Lewellyn> school? 02:17 < valentin> haha, i am not very afraid of exams and stuff 02:17 < valentin> no, child 02:18 < valentin> i become proud father 02:21 < _Lewellyn> ah. congrats. 02:22 < valentin> thx, but wait utill it is "finished" :) 02:26 < _Lewellyn> heh. that's 18 years, here :) 02:27 < valentin> or even more 02:29 < _Lewellyn> by law :) 02:29 < valentin> in 18 years - t2 project beeing sued by the eu commision because they abused their SDE monopoly to destroy former commercial sw companies marketshare 02:35 < valentin> so, now really resting 02:35 < valentin> gn8 02:39 < _Lewellyn> sleep well valentin 02:59 -!- rxr_ [~rene@e178151212.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 02:59 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 02:59 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005] 02:59 [Users #t2] 02:59 [ _Lewellyn] [ dualopteron] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly[u5]] 02:59 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin ] 02:59 [ CIA-9 ] [ keinek ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou] 02:59 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 02:59 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 02:59 -!- [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 02:59 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 03:15 -!- rxr [~rene@e178150093.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:12 -!- keinek_ [~Keinek@201.254.8.155] has joined #t2 04:12 < keinek_> hi 04:24 -!- keinek_ [~Keinek@201.254.8.155] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 04:28 -!- keinek_ [~Keinek@201.254.8.155] has joined #t2 04:28 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.14.50] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:40 -!- keinek_ is now known as keinek 05:00 < _Lewellyn> keinek: you ok over there? 05:01 < keinek> yes... i have problems with [E] in .desc 05:01 < keinek> i try add Supertux game in T2 05:02 < keinek> but .cache dont add libsdl_image 05:04 < mnemoc> keinek: aren't we talking about this on the other channel? 05:04 < keinek> yes... but dont work, and i will try make a .doc with that. 05:06 < mnemoc> i'll have to discuss wth rene about [E] and Emerge 05:06 < keinek> ok 05:07 < keinek> so i am wait 05:08 < mnemoc> use pkgprefix -t on .conf to force the dependency 05:09 < keinek> ok 05:09 < keinek> i will try 05:09 < keinek> yes... is idem like before. 05:10 < keinek> bash-3.00# cat supertux.conf 05:10 < keinek> pkgprefix -t libsdl_image 05:10 < keinek> bash-3.00# 05:10 < keinek> but... dont work. 05:11 < mnemoc> instead libsdl_image on /var/adm/cache/supertux after emerge ? 05:11 < mnemoc> isn't libsdl_image on /var/adm/cache/supertux after emerge ? 05:12 < keinek> in other channel. 05:23 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.8.155] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:30 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.86] has joined #t2 05:33 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.4] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 07:26 -!- mipe [~mika@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 07:30 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has joined #t2 07:56 < mipe> hmm, how one can do diff against file that is text & binary mix 07:57 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: dualopteron, madtux 07:57 -!- Netsplit over, joins: madtux, dualopteron 08:13 < rxr_> re 08:26 < mipe> rxr: the livecd from mirrors didnt work on my laptop but did work on my amd64. i'll try the rsync version once its downloaded 09:03 < rxr_> what was wrong on your laptop? 09:09 -!- You're now known as rxr 09:13 < mipe> rxr: dont know, panics(shutsdown) during init 09:14 < rxr> ouh 09:14 < mipe> rxr: i got that type of error before on lot of other livecd(not just t2), it usually has something to do with apic,acpi and perhaps smp 09:16 < rxr> hm - try acpi=off or ro on the command line ... 09:23 < mipe> well actually it needs acpi to enumerate ht cpu 09:24 < rxr> hm 09:43 < rxr> lol 09:43 < rxr> Apple Switching To Intel Chips In 2006 09:52 < rxr> http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM,+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede 10:30 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:41 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has joined #t2 10:42 < rxr> CIA-9: is dead again ? 10:42 < rxr> hi madtux 10:43 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has quit [Client Quit] 11:29 < rxr> hehe http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050604.html 11:48 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 11:56 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFC0CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:56 < jeru> moin 12:03 < valentin> moin 12:04 < jeru> hi valentin 12:04 < valentin> hi jeru master 12:05 < jeru> don valentino, what kind of master I am ? 12:07 < jeru> btw, how about the upcoming release of little "valentina" ? any news ;) ? 12:08 < valentin> not many besides time is ticking down 12:09 < jeru> time is ticking down and you're becoming more nervous I guess 12:11 < jeru> valentin: is there a version out there including your network config ? 12:15 < valentin> we wanted to mix a new version of the live cd at rxr (maybe today) ? 12:16 < valentin> rxr: intel chips or even x86 compatible chips ? 12:19 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 [] 12:31 < rxr> re 12:32 < rxr> valentin: no details yet - but I think x86, since they want higher performance than IBM chips ... 12:32 < rxr> and also performing laptops - thus Intel Centrino I guess ... 12:32 < rxr> but let's wait for monday to let Steve speak up .. 12:34 < valentin> and how do they ensure nobody installs osXI on his aldi-pc then ? 12:35 < rxr> I guess highly closed patform - with specific chips / cards only ... 12:35 < rxr> most probably without any BIOS style crap ... 12:36 < rxr> hi jeru and valentin 12:37 < valentin> hi rxr :) 12:43 < jeru> hi rxr 12:43 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/06/04/074228.shtml 12:43 < rxr> I posted a comment - advertising T2 - let's see if it comes up ,-) 12:46 < jeru> "Anonymous Coward" ;) 12:48 < rxr> of course I have no slashdot account ... 12:48 < rxr> do you have sss 12:53 < jeru> rxr: nah 12:57 < valentin> rxr: i do not find your comment 12:57 < rxr> click of the ones beneath your current threshold ... 12:57 < rxr> I hope the moderators mod it up when they come to it ... 12:58 < rxr> to appear on the top site then - this is slashdot 12:58 < rxr> btw. do you come over today ? 12:58 < valentin> ah :) 12:58 < valentin> rxr: if you have the time 13:20 < valentin> ouhm - i have supertux already in my package/games/ 13:20 < valentin> can anyone veryfy this ? 13:20 < valentin> i added it some months ago 13:21 < valentin> yep - it has versioning info 13:21 < valentin> maybe keinek uses the stable branch only ? 13:23 < rxr> valentin: ack 13:23 < rxr> ther 13:23 < rxr> e 13:24 < rxr> but not in the stable tree ,-) 13:24 < valentin> however there should be the same maintainer in both trees so either we take keineks or my desc file 13:24 < valentin> they are quite the same 13:26 < rxr> of course the existing one 13:26 < rxr> there never should be random adds in the trees 13:26 < rxr> _all must_ be merged via "svn merge" 13:26 < valentin> we should give him a hint to use trunk 13:26 < rxr> I think we gave him the hint to use 2.1 to get a solid system 13:27 < rxr> but hint to look into trunk for packages and updates if hwe searches for them ... 13:27 < rxr> do you reply? 13:27 < valentin> ok 13:33 < rxr> nVidia Grafiktreiber 1.0-7664 13:33 < rxr> Es ist wieder Zeit f?r ein Treiberupdate bei nVidia. Mit der Version 1.0-7664 f?r Linux x86 und x86-64 wird jetzt auch das vor 10 Monaten ver?ffentlichte OpenGL 2.0 unterst?tzt (ben?tigt mindestens eine GeForce FX), daf?r wurden ?ltere Grafikchips fallengelassen, scheinbar alles unter GeForce 3 wird nicht mehr unterst?tzt, f?r Riva TnT bis GeForce 2 sollen sogenannte Legacy Treiber folgen. 13:33 < rxr> ouhm - so much to closed drivers ... 13:34 < rxr> card support dropped ranomly ... 13:34 < rxr> randomly even 13:35 < rxr> hm - supertux is quite nice ,-) 13:36 < valentin> kerstin likes this mario-style games, so i added it 13:36 < valentin> did someone checkout this open source ego shooter ? 13:37 < rxr> http://www.nexuiz.com/ 13:37 < rxr> ? 13:37 < rxr> yes - works - the binary at least 13:37 < rxr> is quite nice 13:37 < rxr> but I need to use lowest details, no dynamic light and such on my Radeon 7000 ... 13:37 < valentin> someone want to package ? i wonder if it compiles for ppc 13:37 < rxr> I could try if the source builds later todfay 13:38 < rxr> there is no PPC binray ... 13:38 < rxr> but we want a source version anyway .. 13:38 < valentin> rxr: you have to write an article 13:44 < rxr> and you nede to co netconf 13:46 < valentin> that is the reason why i do not want to take a look. games can be so tempting... 13:48 < rxr> when you come later and nexuiz is a t2 package at that time - we could do test it out ,-) 13:52 < jeru> .oO( head shot! excellent! rxr smashed valentin's brain! )o ;) 13:55 < rxr> lol 13:55 < rxr> btw. seems to build from source easily ... 14:00 < rxr> -march=athlon-xp -O3 -funroll-loops -funswitch-loops -funit-at-a-time -ftracer -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -msse -msse2 -mfpmath=sse 14:00 < rxr> let see if this imrproves performance of the game ,-) 14:02 < rxr> Illegal instruction (core dumped) 14:02 < rxr> wonderful ... 14:02 < rxr> oh - I have no sse2 ... 14:03 < valentin> but if you had, i am sure it would have improved performance :D 14:03 < rxr> of course !!! 14:03 < rxr> or - wait - ah - no SSE was for internet performance, according to intel 14:04 < valentin> i thought it is a network game 14:04 < rxr> ah - yes 14:04 < rxr> I will shoot you faster then ,-) 14:04 < valentin> and network is the same word like internet ? 14:04 < rxr> and you ont - since you have no internet ready processor ... 14:05 < valentin> damn 14:05 < valentin> but i have a mobility gpu 14:05 < jeru> .oO( wondering about the militaristic/brutal behavoir of some of our core members)o 14:06 < jeru> please don't shot me ;) 14:06 * valentin will join the army after playing this game - shooting is fun 14:28 < rxr> 2of coursehm 14:28 < valentin> rxr: make sure to comment out army/sublimal_brainwash.c in the Makefile 14:41 < rxr> starts on my iBook - but is very slow ... 14:43 < valentin> :( 14:43 < valentin> i have to buy some food, bbl 14:43 < jeru> valentin: so you can forget about to take your iBook with you while joining the army ;) 14:43 < jeru> cu valentin 14:49 < rxr> it only starts on PPC - it fails to join any game 14:50 < rxr> a lot of assertions on the scren and finally killed ... 14:50 < rxr> guess no endianess safe ... 14:55 < jeru> rxr: do they have a game server public available ? 14:55 < jeru> rxr: or do you fight against bots or even against yourself ;) ? 14:58 < rxr> no - many servers on thy net ... 15:13 < rxr> hm - but there is a MacOS X .app .. 15:47 < rxr> so - there it got checked in ... 15:47 < rxr> desipte CIA-9 lagging 15:58 < mipe> hmm,looks like kdebase hal patch doesnt apply 16:00 < rxr> ah - yes - might be obsolete - did not fully check and commit yet 16:01 < mipe> aarg, my laptop cpu cooler makes strange noise :( 16:07 < rxr> ah - yes - might be obsolete - did not fully check and commit yet 16:07 < rxr> sorry 16:47 < rxr> anyone still here? 16:48 < jeru> me 16:49 < rxr> ah - hi 16:49 < jeru> rxr: hehe :) 16:52 < mnemoc_> moin 16:52 * mnemoc_ finished his implementation of nested targets 16:55 < jeru> moin mnemoc_ :) 16:56 < mnemoc_> hi jeru :) 16:58 < jeru> mnemoc_: do I have to do sth. special to use stone mod for zope ? it doesn't show up 16:59 < mipe> mnemoc:http://212.66.194.40/mime-type-remove.patch 16:59 < mnemoc_> jeru: re-install zope :) 16:59 < mipe> mnemoc: thats for sun jdk jre files to not touch /etc/mailcap, untested 16:59 < mnemoc_> mipe: thanks :) 16:59 < jeru> mnemoc_: I've done so 17:00 < mnemoc_> # stone zope <--- works? 17:00 < mnemoc_> or just 'stone' doesn't show it? 17:00 < jeru> stone zope works :) 17:00 < mnemoc_> :) 17:01 < jeru> but stone doesn't show it anyway 17:01 < mipe> mnemoc: and for blackdown jre,jdk you can specify PREFS_LOCATION where to put those /etc/.java files, from quick look it looks like its easier to specify temp location and remove them after that if those are indeed not needed. i guess they just contain mime type mappings like suns /etc/mailcap output 17:01 < mnemoc_> stone shows 'general' which is a hardcoded menu 17:02 < mnemoc_> mipe: can i use $sysconfopt there? 17:02 < jeru> mnemoc_: thanks :) 17:03 < rxr> moin mnemoc_ 17:03 < mnemoc_> moin rxr 17:04 < mipe> mnemoc: hmm what does sysconfopt do?, PREFS_LOCATION is just env variable to specify location for those unwanted files 17:05 < mnemoc_> sysconfopt=/etc/opt/java/$pkg 17:09 < valentin> re 17:09 < valentin> hi mipe, mnemoc_ 17:10 < jeru> wb valentin 17:10 < mnemoc_> rxr: can you review the [M]s audit mail and tell me who else to kill? 17:10 < rxr> hm - in cross over office via voice installs a bit more smooth 17:10 < valentin> killing aint good 17:10 * rxr pressing the thumbs that it start thereafter ... 17:11 < rxr> hm - but in cross over it has the same drawing errors when the windows is moved ... 17:11 < rxr> well - as long as the speech recognition works later ... 17:13 < rxr> ouhm - now it is installing acrobat 3.01 ... 17:14 < mnemoc_> valentin: killing some people was fun :) 17:15 < valentin> rockers killed some of us, too 17:16 < rxr> hm - valentin - where is the akg mic? on your side ? 17:17 < valentin> the one we gave to falk ? 17:17 < valentin> it is here - why ? 17:18 < rxr> I already wrote viavoice ... 17:18 < rxr> I take an akg one then ... 17:18 < valentin> ah :) 17:19 < valentin> you realy nead a $400 mic for viavoice ? 17:19 < valentin> need 17:19 < rxr> no - but I do not have the bundled headset anymore ... 17:19 < rxr> if I get via voice working fully I'll buy a bluetooth headset ... 17:19 < rxr> but not before .. 17:20 < valentin> http://ep09.pld-linux.org/~djurban/png/ie6acid2.png 17:22 < valentin> hm, my konqueror does it a bit better 17:22 < valentin> at least i can see the face 17:22 < valentin> kde 2.4 konqueror can do it 17:23 < valentin> 3.4 even 17:32 < rxr> alsamix v1.0.9 core dumps in capture view ... 17:32 < rxr> damn 17:32 < rxr> crap 18:09 < rxr> anyone with windows here ? 18:09 < rxr> I think I need a copy of audmme.dll 18:11 < valentin> rxr: wrong channel :) 18:14 < rxr> huH ? 18:14 < rxr> mnemoc and jeru partially have windows ... 18:15 < rxr> so - I think my win98 test box should have a functional NIC after this reboot .. 18:15 < rxr> shuffled the hardware in it due T2@live testing ... 18:15 < rxr> maybe that box has the file ... 18:15 < rxr> maybe I should install via voice on that box and copy the HD then ... 18:15 < rxr> that might run better in wine ... 18:18 < mnemoc_> re 18:18 < rxr> hi mnemoc_ 18:18 < rxr> hm - changing the slot made windows reinstall the driver 18:19 < rxr> then it was without ! in the systrem control but _two_ times in the network config ... 18:19 < rxr> aside that windows shows a B: drive that does not existx ... 18:19 < rxr> ouh my ... 18:20 < rxr> and why does it reinstall dhcp*.dll and whatever for each nic ... 18:20 < rxr> grummel ... 18:21 < rxr> next reboot ... 18:22 < mnemoc_> welcome to MS World 18:22 < rxr> s/World/Hell/ 18:22 < mnemoc_> :) 18:22 < mnemoc_> the power of marketing 18:23 * rxr hiring some marketing druids if that helps .. 18:23 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AFA86D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 18:24 < mnemoc_> hi mtr 18:25 < rxr> damn 18:25 < rxr> on my win98 driver reverse engeneer box via voice does not want to install due to audio device absence .. 18:27 < rxr> at least I have the driver CD for the 4dwave ... 18:28 < rxr> but where is the win98 cd ... 18:28 < rxr> damn 18:28 < rxr> why does viavoice utilze such strange external audio play .dll's and .exes not yet in wine ... 18:28 < mnemoc_> :) 18:29 * rxr praying the audio driver install does not need the windows CD ... 18:29 < rxr> I think I don't have it here ... 18:29 < rxr> and I do not want to install a win2k academic version or so ... 18:29 < rxr> hm - wants to reboot - without win cd ... 18:32 < rxr> so viavoice installing on the 98 box ... grummel 18:34 < rxr> what was the windows ifconfig equivalent sss 18:34 < rxr> ipcfg or what was that ? 18:34 < mnemoc_> winipcfg 18:35 < mnemoc_> or ipconfig 18:35 < rxr> oh - the win is new to me 18:35 < rxr> thanks - interesting 18:37 < rxr> hm - for the menu and program whatever registration viavoice needs as long on windows as it needs in wine ... 18:38 < rxr> I assumed this minutes of delay would be a wine bug ... 18:43 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AFAFD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:52 < rxr> hm - for some strange reason no sound is comming out of the line-out of the 4dwave 18:53 < rxr> always worked under linux ... 18:58 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/livecd/regressions.html 18:59 < mnemoc_> bdb{,33}-java are missing java-dirtree 19:03 < mipe> yep and theres few packages that has "invalid" patches, ie they dont apply 19:04 < mnemoc_> arch specific patches? 19:06 < mipe> nope, for example kdebase has hal patch that doesnt apply 19:07 < rxr> mipe: can you take a look if all of the hal patch is in the 3.4.1 release of kde? 19:07 < rxr> so we can delete it ? 19:07 < rxr> btw. I tested all the other updates I applied - just not kde yet ... 19:09 < mnemoc_> mail about nested targets sent. 19:10 < mnemoc_> rxr: which of these must die: 19:10 < mnemoc_> -> 'Jeffrey Thompson ' ... 1. 19:10 < mnemoc_> -> 'Jess Balint ' ... 3. 19:10 < mnemoc_> -> 'Lars Kuhtz ' ... 1. 19:10 < mnemoc_> -> 'Lars Siggelkow ' ... 1. 19:10 < rxr> the first two do not sound familliar 19:11 < mipe> rxr: i'll test tomorrow if i have time, atm. doing some research for thesis subject and tomorrow is "paint the boat day" 19:11 < valentin> mnemoc_: Siggelkow 19:11 < rxr> lars is Lars Kuhtz 19:11 < valentin> he is Kuthz now 19:11 < mnemoc_> ok 19:11 < valentin> kuhtz even 19:11 < mnemoc_> kuhtz@ec.de? 19:11 < rxr> yes 19:11 < mnemoc_> -> 'Martin Baum ' ... 3. 19:11 < mnemoc_> -> 'Matthias Langhammer ' ... 3. 19:11 < mnemoc_> -> 'Michael Bunk ' ... 3. 19:11 < mnemoc_> -> 'Michael Tross ' ... 13. 19:11 < rxr> no lars 19:12 < rxr> martin baum is valid 19:12 < rxr> machael tross, too 19:12 < rxr> the other two are rock 19:12 < mnemoc_> -> 'Oliver Regehr ' ... 1. 19:12 < mnemoc_> -> 'Omer James Hickman ' ... 3. 19:12 < mnemoc_> -> 'Theis Peter Hansen {Package maintainer}' ... 1. 19:12 < rxr> I could have replied to the mail ... 19:13 < rxr> oiver regehr is long vanished 19:13 < mnemoc_> you are windowing 19:13 < mnemoc_> -> 'Tilmann Bitterberg ' ... 27. 19:13 < mnemoc_> -> 'Tobias Schmidt ' ... 12. 19:13 < rxr> omer james was recent - no? zerofs or so .. 19:13 < mnemoc_> ok 19:13 < rxr> thie thesis is unknown by me ... 19:13 < rxr> tilmann and tobis are rock or gone, too 19:13 < nzg> tobias is here - just not active *g* 19:14 < mnemoc_> :D 19:14 < mnemoc_> hi nzg 19:14 < rxr> no I'm getting speech recognition under wine ... 19:14 < nzg> hi mnemoc_, rxr 19:14 < mnemoc_> rxr: now you should only worry about nested targets mail 19:15 < nzg> just the mailing-address is invalid 19:15 < mnemoc_> nzg: which is the valid? 19:15 < nzg> i had to release the domain for trademark reasons 19:15 < nzg> tschmidt@stradego.de 19:15 < mnemoc_> thanks 19:16 < nzg> i will take a look at those packages soon... 19:17 < mnemoc_> nzg: i just want to remove people who doesn't support T2, and you do. :) 19:18 < nzg> *g* at least not with active development atm 19:18 < rxr> is there an exact list what binaries are mapped / loaded into memory on windows (98) ? 19:19 < nzg> the oney you can control are config.sys/autoexe.bat/system.ini/win.ini/registry 19:20 < nzg> there is a tool called drwatsn32 or so, that shows everything loaded on win98 19:21 < rxr> ah - yes this watons - thanks 19:25 < mnemoc_> nzg: a fast mirror is good enough support for me :) 19:26 < nzg> mnemoc_: you're welcome *g* 19:26 < mnemoc_> :p 19:27 < rxr> /home/jwhite/gold/4.2/office/image.cxbundle.pro/lib/wine/msacm.imaadpcm.so 19:28 < rxr> ^- which home is thta? 19:28 < rxr> not mine ... 19:28 < mnemoc_> lovely hardcoded paths 19:30 -!- mipe [~mika@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["work"] 19:35 < rxr> yep 19:35 < rxr> either viavoice or this cross over thing itself ... 19:36 < mnemoc_> i got some e:\... on openoffice 19:38 -!- veki [~vedran@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 19:38 < mnemoc_> hi veki 19:39 < veki> hi 19:39 < mnemoc_> rxr: {rene,valentin,amery}@t2-project.org? 19:40 < rxr> yep 19:41 < rxr> chris or whatever, too if he likes too ... 19:41 < mnemoc_> reply my next post offering it 19:42 < mnemoc_> i can't move to @t2 people who haven't expressed desire for that 19:42 < valentin> every additional mx record means one more spam sink :) 19:43 < mnemoc_> : 19:43 < mnemoc_> 212.202.41.157 does not like recipient. 19:43 < mnemoc_> Remote host said: 550 relay not permitted 19:43 < mnemoc_> Giving up on 212.202.41.157. 19:43 < valentin> wtf - am i too stupid for c++ ? 19:43 < valentin> rxr: i have a class A 19:44 < valentin> which defines a virtual method x() with default implementation y 19:44 < valentin> i derive class B : public A 19:44 < valentin> which overides x() whith implementation z 19:45 < valentin> now if you do A* a = new B; then a->x() executes z. 19:45 < valentin> so far so good 19:45 < valentin> now i have a third class C derived from B 19:45 < valentin> C does not implement x() at all 19:45 < valentin> now if you do A* a = new C; then a->x() executes y (!!) 19:46 < valentin> and i am puzzled 19:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: @t2-project.org is not 'active' yet 19:46 < rxr> nope - but a WIP hack can be in minutes 19:47 < rxr> let me get my samba up first so I can copy the c:\windows and c:\viavoice into my wine folder ... 19:47 < _Ragnar__> valentin: did you declare x virtual in B, too? 19:47 < valentin> yep 19:48 < _Ragnar__> O_O 19:48 < mnemoc_> _Ragnar__: don't you maintain any package? 19:48 < _Ragnar__> dunno O_O 19:48 < mnemoc_> _Ragnar__: uclibc is available if you want it :p 19:49 < _Ragnar__> *lol* 19:49 < _Ragnar__> that would be okay 19:49 < _Ragnar__> I can do fox, too 19:49 < mnemoc_> rxr: do you want to give fox to _Ragnar__ ? 19:50 < rxr> sure 19:50 < rxr> I do not use it 19:50 < rxr> i only created it for rezound ... 19:50 < rxr> valentin: where does y come from 19:50 < mnemoc_> _Ragnar__: name and mail? 19:50 < rxr> ah - ic - hm 19:50 < _Ragnar__> Roland Schulz 19:51 < mnemoc_> .oO(rock)o 19:51 < _Ragnar__> hmmm maybe should make that t2@... ? 19:51 < _Ragnar__> :D 19:51 < _Ragnar__> lemme do that 19:51 < mnemoc_> Roland Schulz 19:51 < mnemoc_> ? 19:52 < rxr> hm - s.th. messed samba on my development workstation 19:52 < rxr> when I last used it (months ago it was working) - not it is timeouting like hell .. 19:52 < _Ragnar__> ok 19:52 < mnemoc_> _Ragnar__: busybox? :) 19:52 < rxr> or it is windows fault ... 19:53 < mnemoc_> uhm... rxr [M]s busybox.... 19:53 < _Ragnar__> huh? 19:53 < mnemoc_> ok, uclibc and fox 'transfered' to Roland Schulz 19:54 < _Ragnar__> :) 19:54 < valentin> hm - maybe this is the default behavior if x is not pure virtual in A 19:54 < valentin> this sucks 19:54 < _Ragnar__> make it not virtual in b? 19:54 < valentin> so i have to add much more functions to C which just call B::x 19:55 < rxr> hm - ok - file copy is fast 19:55 < rxr> do not need more 19:55 < rxr> only a clone of the viavoice and windows files to give wine a try on them ... 19:55 < valentin> _Ragnar__: i check it out, mom 19:56 < rxr> hm - the tiny old windows box is shuffling 2 19:56 < rxr> MB max over the line ... 19:56 < valentin> _Ragnar__: does not work either... 19:56 < rxr> ok -- 3MB max ... 19:56 < _Ragnar__> :/ 19:56 < rxr> ouhm 19:56 < rxr> damn 19:57 < rxr> windows stopped at win386 or so complaining it is used 19:57 < rxr> but ok cancels the whole copy 19:57 < rxr> is there some way to tell this stupid explorer to copy the remaining files ? 19:57 < rxr> or do I have to open 7zip for that ? 19:57 < _Ragnar__> not that I know of ... use rsync? 19:57 < rxr> I do not want to install cygwin ... 19:58 * valentin reading the stroustrup 19:58 < _Ragnar__> ;D 19:58 < rxr> hm - has pscp recursive ... ,-) 19:58 < _Ragnar__> brb, breakfast 19:58 < rxr> cool 19:58 < rxr> it has 20:00 < rxr> ouhm -pscp is sloooooooooooooooow 20:00 < rxr> (at least with that 23 20:00 < rxr> 3Mhz box ...) 20:00 < rxr> 240kB/s ... 20:00 < rxr> this will take some time ... 20:01 -!- veki [~vedran@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 ["Leaving"] 20:04 < valentin> hm, i cannot reproduce that in some test code 20:11 < rxr> ouhm 20:12 < rxr> mnemoc_: your mail misses the attachment 20:13 < mnemoc_> yes :\ 20:13 < mnemoc_> refresh 20:14 < valentin> the t2@ is a redirect to our mailing list ? 20:14 < mnemoc_> t2@t2? i hope so 20:17 < valentin> worked around my problem, still no idea why it behaved different before 20:19 < rxr> mnemoc_: what should we comment on the list ? 20:19 < mnemoc_> rxr: what do you mean? 20:20 < mnemoc_> not all developers and users are on #t2 in every minute, i think anything affecting everyone should be at least summarized on the list 20:21 < rxr> yes sure - I just do not know what we should reply to it .. 20:22 < mnemoc_> you offer of @t2 when it works, for example :) 20:22 < mnemoc_> your* 20:22 < mnemoc_> or your comments about nested targets :p 20:23 < rxr> I mean the executor mail 20:23 < mnemoc_> if you have nothing to say, say nothing :) 20:24 < rxr> you see - windows makes you dump ,-) 20:24 < rxr> with you I mean me ... 20:24 < mnemoc_> :) 20:25 < mnemoc_> windows and ms office considered harmful 20:59 < valentin> mnemoc_: after reading your mail, i still do not understand how to create an extension 21:00 < valentin> so if i want to extend embedded i create target/embeded/extends and then ? 21:00 < mnemoc_> echo embeded > target/dreamcast/extends 21:00 < valentin> ah - this way :) 21:00 < mnemoc_> :) 21:00 < mnemoc_> i have to go 21:00 < valentin> now i understand the story 21:00 < valentin> cu 21:00 < mnemoc_> cu :) 21:01 < rxr> cu mnemoc_ 21:03 < rxr> $ wine /media/cdrom/setup.exe 21:03 < rxr> ... 21:05 < rxr> cool - now the via voice installer looks different ... 21:05 < rxr> let's hope this means it will work better after the install in wine ... 21:18 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.8.155] has joined #t2 21:18 < keinek> hi 21:28 < valentin> hi keinek 21:28 < valentin> kerstin demands some of my time now - bbl 21:30 < rxr> cool - the sound recorder at least gets my mic input ... 22:07 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFC0CC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:59 < mnemoc_> rxr: failed builds leave /proc mounts abandoned 23:16 < mnemoc_> valentin: vziegler@t2 or valentin@t2 ? 23:17 < rxr> valentin 23:17 < mnemoc_> thanks 23:20 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.8.155] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:47 < valentin> re 23:47 < rxr> ok - I played a bit with the sphinx speech recognition 23:47 < rxr> A B C D E F G 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 gets into this: 23:47 < rxr> B B C Q U FIFTH Q ONE TWO THREE FOUR FOURTH SIX AND 23:47 < rxr> ... 23:47 < rxr> and this is over document thousands of parameters hell software ... 23:48 * rxr is happy that I got it to do anything at all ... 23:48 < _Ragnar__> ;D --- Log closed Sun Jun 05 00:00:57 2005