--- Log opened Sat Jun 04 00:00:56 2005
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00:08 < keinek> hi
00:49 < valentin> hi keinek
00:57 < _Lewellyn> hoi keinek
00:59 < jeru> hi keinek
00:59 < jeru> will go sleep now ... good night
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01:01 < valentin> gn8
01:02 < valentin> i think i will rest now, too
01:02 < valentin> maybe i will come back later in case i cannot sleep yet
01:02 < valentin> last days i have been up till dawn
01:02 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin
01:03 < valentin> and i will try to get rid of this habbit
01:03 < valentin> thanks, mnemoc
01:03 < mnemoc> i am sleeping more than ever... but i don't rest :|
01:05 < valentin> so nervous about your life ?
01:06 < mnemoc> i think
01:06 < mnemoc> yesterday i slept 12 hours! and i woke up more tired than before going to bed
01:07 < valentin> maybe you should take a free day
01:07 < valentin> we need you in the future
01:09 < mnemoc> i can't affort a free day :|
01:10 < valentin> if you manage to reduce your sleep from 12h to 8h then you will have a free day every 6 days
01:10 < mnemoc> i'm used to sleep 2-3
01:12 < mnemoc> but since last week i can't wake up.... my daughters do it
01:14 < valentin> so, me away now, cu
01:16 < mnemoc> cu valentin
02:11 < valentin> short re
02:13 < _Lewellyn> while you're back...
02:13 < _Lewellyn> can you use the free day to sleep? :)
02:13 < valentin> good idea :)
02:14 < valentin> about 8 weeks left before i will not sleep a whole night for month ...
02:16 < _Lewellyn> school?
02:17 < valentin> haha, i am not very afraid of exams and stuff
02:17 < valentin> no, child
02:18 < valentin> i become proud father
02:21 < _Lewellyn> ah. congrats.
02:22 < valentin> thx, but wait utill it is "finished" :)
02:26 < _Lewellyn> heh. that's 18 years, here :)
02:27 < valentin> or even more
02:29 < _Lewellyn> by law :)
02:29 < valentin> in 18 years - t2 project beeing sued by the eu commision because they abused their SDE monopoly to destroy former commercial sw companies marketshare
02:35 < valentin> so, now really resting
02:35 < valentin> gn8
02:39 < _Lewellyn> sleep well valentin
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02:59 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
02:59 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005]
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04:12 < keinek_> hi
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05:00 < _Lewellyn> keinek: you ok over there?
05:01 < keinek> yes... i have problems with [E] in .desc
05:01 < keinek> i try add Supertux game in T2
05:02 < keinek> but .cache dont add libsdl_image
05:04 < mnemoc> keinek: aren't we talking about this on the other channel?
05:04 < keinek> yes... but dont work, and i will try make a .doc with that.
05:06 < mnemoc> i'll have to discuss wth rene about [E] and Emerge
05:06 < keinek> ok
05:07 < keinek> so i am wait
05:08 < mnemoc> use pkgprefix -t on .conf to force the dependency
05:09 < keinek> ok
05:09 < keinek> i will try
05:09 < keinek> yes... is idem like before.
05:10 < keinek> bash-3.00# cat supertux.conf
05:10 < keinek> pkgprefix -t libsdl_image
05:10 < keinek> bash-3.00#
05:10 < keinek> but... dont work.
05:11 < mnemoc> instead libsdl_image on /var/adm/cache/supertux after emerge ?
05:11 < mnemoc> isn't libsdl_image on /var/adm/cache/supertux after emerge ?
05:12 < keinek> in other channel.
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07:56 < mipe> hmm, how one can do diff against file that is text & binary mix
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08:13 < rxr_> re
08:26 < mipe> rxr: the livecd from mirrors didnt work on my laptop but did work on my amd64. i'll try the rsync version once its downloaded
09:03 < rxr_> what was wrong on your laptop?
09:09 -!- You're now known as rxr
09:13 < mipe> rxr: dont know, panics(shutsdown) during init
09:14 < rxr> ouh
09:14 < mipe> rxr: i got that type of error before on lot of other livecd(not just t2), it usually has something to do with apic,acpi and perhaps smp
09:16 < rxr> hm - try acpi=off or ro on the command line ...
09:23 < mipe> well actually it needs acpi to enumerate ht cpu
09:24 < rxr> hm
09:43 < rxr> lol
09:43 < rxr> Apple Switching To Intel Chips In 2006
09:52 < rxr> http://news.com.com/Apple+to+ditch+IBM,+switch+to+Intel+chips/2100-1006_3-5731398.html?tag=nefd.lede
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10:42 < rxr> CIA-9: is dead again ?
10:42 < rxr> hi madtux
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11:29 < rxr> hehe http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050604.html
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11:56 < jeru> moin
12:03 < valentin> moin
12:04 < jeru> hi valentin
12:04 < valentin> hi jeru master
12:05 < jeru> don valentino, what kind of master I am ?
12:07 < jeru> btw, how about the upcoming release of little "valentina" ? any news ;) ?
12:08 < valentin> not many besides time is ticking down
12:09 < jeru> time is ticking down and you're becoming more nervous I guess
12:11 < jeru> valentin: is there a version out there including your network config ?
12:15 < valentin> we wanted to mix a new version of the live cd at rxr (maybe today) ?
12:16 < valentin> rxr: intel chips or even x86 compatible chips ?
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12:31 < rxr> re
12:32 < rxr> valentin: no details yet - but I think x86, since they want higher performance than IBM chips ...
12:32 < rxr> and also performing laptops - thus Intel Centrino I guess ...
12:32 < rxr> but let's wait for monday to let Steve speak up ..
12:34 < valentin> and how do they ensure nobody installs osXI on his aldi-pc then ?
12:35 < rxr> I guess highly closed patform - with specific chips / cards only ...
12:35 < rxr> most probably without any BIOS style crap ...
12:36 < rxr> hi jeru and valentin
12:37 < valentin> hi rxr :)
12:43 < jeru> hi rxr
12:43 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/06/04/074228.shtml
12:43 < rxr> I posted a comment - advertising T2 - let's see if it comes up ,-)
12:46 < jeru> "Anonymous Coward" ;)
12:48 < rxr> of course I have no slashdot account ...
12:48 < rxr> do you have sss
12:53 < jeru> rxr: nah
12:57 < valentin> rxr: i do not find your comment
12:57 < rxr> click of the ones beneath your current threshold ...
12:57 < rxr> I hope the moderators mod it up when they come to it ...
12:58 < rxr> to appear on the top site then - this is slashdot
12:58 < rxr> btw. do you come over today ?
12:58 < valentin> ah :)
12:58 < valentin> rxr: if you have the time
13:20 < valentin> ouhm - i have supertux already in my package/games/
13:20 < valentin> can anyone veryfy this ?
13:20 < valentin> i added it some months ago
13:21 < valentin> yep - it has versioning info
13:21 < valentin> maybe keinek uses the stable branch only ?
13:23 < rxr> valentin: ack
13:23 < rxr> ther
13:23 < rxr> e
13:24 < rxr> but not in the stable tree ,-)
13:24 < valentin> however there should be the same maintainer in both trees so either we take keineks or my desc file
13:24 < valentin> they are quite the same
13:26 < rxr> of course the existing one
13:26 < rxr> there never should be random adds in the trees
13:26 < rxr> _all must_ be merged via "svn merge"
13:26 < valentin> we should give him a hint to use trunk
13:26 < rxr> I think we gave him the hint to use 2.1 to get a solid system
13:27 < rxr> but hint to look into trunk for packages and updates if hwe searches for them ...
13:27 < rxr> do you reply?
13:27 < valentin> ok
13:33 < rxr> nVidia Grafiktreiber 1.0-7664
13:33 < rxr> Es ist wieder Zeit f?r ein Treiberupdate bei nVidia. Mit der Version 1.0-7664 f?r Linux x86 und x86-64 wird jetzt auch das vor 10 Monaten ver?ffentlichte OpenGL 2.0 unterst?tzt (ben?tigt mindestens eine GeForce FX), daf?r wurden ?ltere Grafikchips fallengelassen, scheinbar alles unter GeForce 3 wird nicht mehr unterst?tzt, f?r Riva TnT bis GeForce 2 sollen sogenannte Legacy Treiber folgen.
13:33 < rxr> ouhm - so much to closed drivers ...
13:34 < rxr> card support dropped ranomly ...
13:34 < rxr> randomly even
13:35 < rxr> hm - supertux is quite nice ,-)
13:36 < valentin> kerstin likes this mario-style games, so i added it
13:36 < valentin> did someone checkout this open source ego shooter ?
13:37 < rxr> http://www.nexuiz.com/
13:37 < rxr> ?
13:37 < rxr> yes - works - the binary at least
13:37 < rxr> is quite nice
13:37 < rxr> but I need to use lowest details, no dynamic light and such on my Radeon 7000 ...
13:37 < valentin> someone want to package ? i wonder if it compiles for ppc
13:37 < rxr> I could try if the source builds later todfay
13:38 < rxr> there is no PPC binray ...
13:38 < rxr> but we want a source version anyway ..
13:38 < valentin> rxr: you have to write an article
13:44 < rxr> and you nede to co netconf
13:46 < valentin> that is the reason why i do not want to take a look. games can be so tempting...
13:48 < rxr> when you come later and nexuiz is a t2 package at that time - we could do test it out ,-)
13:52 < jeru> .oO( head shot! excellent! rxr smashed valentin's brain! )o ;)
13:55 < rxr> lol
13:55 < rxr> btw. seems to build from source easily ...
14:00 < rxr> -march=athlon-xp -O3 -funroll-loops -funswitch-loops -funit-at-a-time -ftracer -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -msse -msse2 -mfpmath=sse
14:00 < rxr> let see if this imrproves performance of the game ,-)
14:02 < rxr> Illegal instruction (core dumped)
14:02 < rxr> wonderful ...
14:02 < rxr> oh - I have no sse2 ...
14:03 < valentin> but if you had, i am sure it would have improved performance :D
14:03 < rxr> of course !!!
14:03 < rxr> or - wait - ah - no SSE was for internet performance, according to intel
14:04 < valentin> i thought it is a network game
14:04 < rxr> ah - yes
14:04 < rxr> I will shoot you faster then ,-)
14:04 < valentin> and network is the same word like internet ?
14:04 < rxr> and you ont - since you have no internet ready processor ...
14:05 < valentin> damn
14:05 < valentin> but i have a mobility gpu
14:05 < jeru> .oO( wondering about the militaristic/brutal behavoir of some of our core members)o
14:06 < jeru> please don't shot me ;)
14:06 * valentin will join the army after playing this game - shooting is fun
14:28 < rxr> 2of coursehm
14:28 < valentin> rxr: make sure to comment out army/sublimal_brainwash.c in the Makefile
14:41 < rxr> starts on my iBook - but is very slow ...
14:43 < valentin> :(
14:43 < valentin> i have to buy some food, bbl
14:43 < jeru> valentin: so you can forget about to take your iBook with you while joining the army ;)
14:43 < jeru> cu valentin
14:49 < rxr> it only starts on PPC - it fails to join any game
14:50 < rxr> a lot of assertions on the scren and finally killed ...
14:50 < rxr> guess no endianess safe ...
14:55 < jeru> rxr: do they have a game server public available ?
14:55 < jeru> rxr: or do you fight against bots or even against yourself ;) ?
14:58 < rxr> no - many servers on thy net ...
15:13 < rxr> hm - but there is a MacOS X .app ..
15:47 < rxr> so - there it got checked in ...
15:47 < rxr> desipte CIA-9 lagging
15:58 < mipe> hmm,looks like kdebase hal patch doesnt apply
16:00 < rxr> ah - yes - might be obsolete - did not fully check and commit yet
16:01 < mipe> aarg, my laptop cpu cooler makes strange noise :(
16:07 < rxr> ah - yes - might be obsolete - did not fully check and commit yet
16:07 < rxr> sorry
16:47 < rxr> anyone still here?
16:48 < jeru> me
16:49 < rxr> ah - hi
16:49 < jeru> rxr: hehe :)
16:52 < mnemoc_> moin
16:52 * mnemoc_ finished his implementation of nested targets
16:55 < jeru> moin mnemoc_ :)
16:56 < mnemoc_> hi jeru :)
16:58 < jeru> mnemoc_: do I have to do sth. special to use stone mod for zope ? it doesn't show up
16:59 < mipe> mnemoc:http://212.66.194.40/mime-type-remove.patch
16:59 < mnemoc_> jeru: re-install zope :)
16:59 < mipe> mnemoc: thats for sun jdk jre files to not touch /etc/mailcap, untested
16:59 < mnemoc_> mipe: thanks :)
16:59 < jeru> mnemoc_: I've done so
17:00 < mnemoc_> # stone zope <--- works?
17:00 < mnemoc_> or just 'stone' doesn't show it?
17:00 < jeru> stone zope works :)
17:00 < mnemoc_> :)
17:01 < jeru> but stone doesn't show it anyway
17:01 < mipe> mnemoc: and for blackdown jre,jdk you can specify PREFS_LOCATION where to put those /etc/.java files, from quick look it looks like its easier to specify temp location and remove them after that if those are indeed not needed. i guess they just contain mime type mappings like suns /etc/mailcap output
17:01 < mnemoc_> stone shows 'general' which is a hardcoded menu
17:02 < mnemoc_> mipe: can i use $sysconfopt there?
17:02 < jeru> mnemoc_: thanks :)
17:03 < rxr> moin mnemoc_
17:03 < mnemoc_> moin rxr
17:04 < mipe> mnemoc: hmm what does sysconfopt do?, PREFS_LOCATION is just env variable to specify location for those unwanted files
17:05 < mnemoc_> sysconfopt=/etc/opt/java/$pkg
17:09 < valentin> re
17:09 < valentin> hi mipe, mnemoc_
17:10 < jeru> wb valentin
17:10 < mnemoc_> rxr: can you review the [M]s audit mail and tell me who else to kill?
17:10 < rxr> hm - in cross over office via voice installs a bit more smooth
17:10 < valentin> killing aint good
17:10 * rxr pressing the thumbs that it start thereafter ...
17:11 < rxr> hm - but in cross over it has the same drawing errors when the windows is moved ...
17:11 < rxr> well - as long as the speech recognition works later ...
17:13 < rxr> ouhm - now it is installing acrobat 3.01 ...
17:14 < mnemoc_> valentin: killing some people was fun :)
17:15 < valentin> rockers killed some of us, too
17:16 < rxr> hm - valentin - where is the akg mic? on your side ?
17:17 < valentin> the one we gave to falk ?
17:17 < valentin> it is here - why ?
17:18 < rxr> I already wrote viavoice ...
17:18 < rxr> I take an akg one then ...
17:18 < valentin> ah :)
17:19 < valentin> you realy nead a $400 mic for viavoice ?
17:19 < valentin> need
17:19 < rxr> no - but I do not have the bundled headset anymore ...
17:19 < rxr> if I get via voice working fully I'll buy a bluetooth headset ...
17:19 < rxr> but not before ..
17:20 < valentin> http://ep09.pld-linux.org/~djurban/png/ie6acid2.png
17:22 < valentin> hm, my konqueror does it a bit better
17:22 < valentin> at least i can see the face
17:22 < valentin> kde 2.4 konqueror can do it
17:23 < valentin> 3.4 even
17:32 < rxr> alsamix v1.0.9 core dumps in capture view ...
17:32 < rxr> damn
17:32 < rxr> crap
18:09 < rxr> anyone with windows here ?
18:09 < rxr> I think I need a copy of audmme.dll
18:11 < valentin> rxr: wrong channel :)
18:14 < rxr> huH ?
18:14 < rxr> mnemoc and jeru partially have windows ...
18:15 < rxr> so - I think my win98 test box should have a functional NIC after this reboot ..
18:15 < rxr> shuffled the hardware in it due T2@live testing ...
18:15 < rxr> maybe that box has the file ...
18:15 < rxr> maybe I should install via voice on that box and copy the HD then ...
18:15 < rxr> that might run better in wine ...
18:18 < mnemoc_> re
18:18 < rxr> hi mnemoc_
18:18 < rxr> hm - changing the slot made windows reinstall the driver
18:19 < rxr> then it was without ! in the systrem control but _two_ times in the network config ...
18:19 < rxr> aside that windows shows a B: drive that does not existx ...
18:19 < rxr> ouh my ...
18:20 < rxr> and why does it reinstall dhcp*.dll and whatever for each nic ...
18:20 < rxr> grummel ...
18:21 < rxr> next reboot ...
18:22 < mnemoc_> welcome to MS World
18:22 < rxr> s/World/Hell/
18:22 < mnemoc_> :)
18:22 < mnemoc_> the power of marketing
18:23 * rxr hiring some marketing druids if that helps ..
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18:24 < mnemoc_> hi mtr
18:25 < rxr> damn
18:25 < rxr> on my win98 driver reverse engeneer box via voice does not want to install due to audio device absence ..
18:27 < rxr> at least I have the driver CD for the 4dwave ...
18:28 < rxr> but where is the win98 cd ...
18:28 < rxr> damn
18:28 < rxr> why does viavoice utilze such strange external audio play .dll's and .exes not yet in wine ...
18:28 < mnemoc_> :)
18:29 * rxr praying the audio driver install does not need the windows CD ...
18:29 < rxr> I think I don't have it here ...
18:29 < rxr> and I do not want to install a win2k academic version or so ...
18:29 < rxr> hm - wants to reboot - without win cd ...
18:32 < rxr> so viavoice installing on the 98 box ... grummel
18:34 < rxr> what was the windows ifconfig equivalent sss
18:34 < rxr> ipcfg or what was that ?
18:34 < mnemoc_> winipcfg
18:35 < mnemoc_> or ipconfig
18:35 < rxr> oh - the win is new to me
18:35 < rxr> thanks - interesting
18:37 < rxr> hm - for the menu and program whatever registration viavoice needs as long on windows as it needs in wine ...
18:38 < rxr> I assumed this minutes of delay would be a wine bug ...
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18:52 < rxr> hm - for some strange reason no sound is comming out of the line-out of the 4dwave
18:53 < rxr> always worked under linux ...
18:58 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/livecd/regressions.html
18:59 < mnemoc_> bdb{,33}-java are missing java-dirtree
19:03 < mipe> yep and theres few packages that has "invalid" patches, ie they dont apply
19:04 < mnemoc_> arch specific patches?
19:06 < mipe> nope, for example kdebase has hal patch that doesnt apply
19:07 < rxr> mipe: can you take a look if all of the hal patch is in the 3.4.1 release of kde?
19:07 < rxr> so we can delete it ?
19:07 < rxr> btw. I tested all the other updates I applied - just not kde yet ...
19:09 < mnemoc_> mail about nested targets sent.
19:10 < mnemoc_> rxr: which of these must die:
19:10 < mnemoc_> -> 'Jeffrey Thompson ' ... 1.
19:10 < mnemoc_> -> 'Jess Balint ' ... 3.
19:10 < mnemoc_> -> 'Lars Kuhtz ' ... 1.
19:10 < mnemoc_> -> 'Lars Siggelkow ' ... 1.
19:10 < rxr> the first two do not sound familliar
19:11 < mipe> rxr: i'll test tomorrow if i have time, atm. doing some research for thesis subject and tomorrow is "paint the boat day"
19:11 < valentin> mnemoc_: Siggelkow
19:11 < rxr> lars is Lars Kuhtz
19:11 < valentin> he is Kuthz now
19:11 < mnemoc_> ok
19:11 < valentin> kuhtz even
19:11 < mnemoc_> kuhtz@ec.de?
19:11 < rxr> yes
19:11 < mnemoc_> -> 'Martin Baum ' ... 3.
19:11 < mnemoc_> -> 'Matthias Langhammer ' ... 3.
19:11 < mnemoc_> -> 'Michael Bunk ' ... 3.
19:11 < mnemoc_> -> 'Michael Tross ' ... 13.
19:11 < rxr> no lars
19:12 < rxr> martin baum is valid
19:12 < rxr> machael tross, too
19:12 < rxr> the other two are rock
19:12 < mnemoc_> -> 'Oliver Regehr ' ... 1.
19:12 < mnemoc_> -> 'Omer James Hickman ' ... 3.
19:12 < mnemoc_> -> 'Theis Peter Hansen {Package maintainer}' ... 1.
19:12 < rxr> I could have replied to the mail ...
19:13 < rxr> oiver regehr is long vanished
19:13 < mnemoc_> you are windowing
19:13 < mnemoc_> -> 'Tilmann Bitterberg ' ... 27.
19:13 < mnemoc_> -> 'Tobias Schmidt ' ... 12.
19:13 < rxr> omer james was recent - no? zerofs or so ..
19:13 < mnemoc_> ok
19:13 < rxr> thie thesis is unknown by me ...
19:13 < rxr> tilmann and tobis are rock or gone, too
19:13 < nzg> tobias is here - just not active *g*
19:14 < mnemoc_> :D
19:14 < mnemoc_> hi nzg
19:14 < rxr> no I'm getting speech recognition under wine ...
19:14 < nzg> hi mnemoc_, rxr
19:14 < mnemoc_> rxr: now you should only worry about nested targets mail
19:15 < nzg> just the mailing-address is invalid
19:15 < mnemoc_> nzg: which is the valid?
19:15 < nzg> i had to release the domain for trademark reasons
19:15 < nzg> tschmidt@stradego.de
19:15 < mnemoc_> thanks
19:16 < nzg> i will take a look at those packages soon...
19:17 < mnemoc_> nzg: i just want to remove people who doesn't support T2, and you do. :)
19:18 < nzg> *g* at least not with active development atm
19:18 < rxr> is there an exact list what binaries are mapped / loaded into memory on windows (98) ?
19:19 < nzg> the oney you can control are config.sys/autoexe.bat/system.ini/win.ini/registry
19:20 < nzg> there is a tool called drwatsn32 or so, that shows everything loaded on win98
19:21 < rxr> ah - yes this watons - thanks
19:25 < mnemoc_> nzg: a fast mirror is good enough support for me :)
19:26 < nzg> mnemoc_: you're welcome *g*
19:26 < mnemoc_> :p
19:27 < rxr> /home/jwhite/gold/4.2/office/image.cxbundle.pro/lib/wine/msacm.imaadpcm.so
19:28 < rxr> ^- which home is thta?
19:28 < rxr> not mine ...
19:28 < mnemoc_> lovely hardcoded paths
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19:35 < rxr> yep
19:35 < rxr> either viavoice or this cross over thing itself ...
19:36 < mnemoc_> i got some e:\... on openoffice
19:38 -!- veki [~vedran@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2
19:38 < mnemoc_> hi veki
19:39 < veki> hi
19:39 < mnemoc_> rxr: {rene,valentin,amery}@t2-project.org?
19:40 < rxr> yep
19:41 < rxr> chris or whatever, too if he likes too ...
19:41 < mnemoc_> reply my next post offering it
19:42 < mnemoc_> i can't move to @t2 people who haven't expressed desire for that
19:42 < valentin> every additional mx record means one more spam sink :)
19:43 < mnemoc_> :
19:43 < mnemoc_> 212.202.41.157 does not like recipient.
19:43 < mnemoc_> Remote host said: 550 relay not permitted
19:43 < mnemoc_> Giving up on 212.202.41.157.
19:43 < valentin> wtf - am i too stupid for c++ ?
19:43 < valentin> rxr: i have a class A
19:44 < valentin> which defines a virtual method x() with default implementation y
19:44 < valentin> i derive class B : public A
19:44 < valentin> which overides x() whith implementation z
19:45 < valentin> now if you do A* a = new B; then a->x() executes z.
19:45 < valentin> so far so good
19:45 < valentin> now i have a third class C derived from B
19:45 < valentin> C does not implement x() at all
19:45 < valentin> now if you do A* a = new C; then a->x() executes y (!!)
19:46 < valentin> and i am puzzled
19:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: @t2-project.org is not 'active' yet
19:46 < rxr> nope - but a WIP hack can be in minutes
19:47 < rxr> let me get my samba up first so I can copy the c:\windows and c:\viavoice into my wine folder ...
19:47 < _Ragnar__> valentin: did you declare x virtual in B, too?
19:47 < valentin> yep
19:48 < _Ragnar__> O_O
19:48 < mnemoc_> _Ragnar__: don't you maintain any package?
19:48 < _Ragnar__> dunno O_O
19:48 < mnemoc_> _Ragnar__: uclibc is available if you want it :p
19:49 < _Ragnar__> *lol*
19:49 < _Ragnar__> that would be okay
19:49 < _Ragnar__> I can do fox, too
19:49 < mnemoc_> rxr: do you want to give fox to _Ragnar__ ?
19:50 < rxr> sure
19:50 < rxr> I do not use it
19:50 < rxr> i only created it for rezound ...
19:50 < rxr> valentin: where does y come from
19:50 < mnemoc_> _Ragnar__: name and mail?
19:50 < rxr> ah - ic - hm
19:50 < _Ragnar__> Roland Schulz
19:51 < mnemoc_> .oO(rock)o
19:51 < _Ragnar__> hmmm maybe should make that t2@... ?
19:51 < _Ragnar__> :D
19:51 < _Ragnar__> lemme do that
19:51 < mnemoc_> Roland Schulz
19:51 < mnemoc_> ?
19:52 < rxr> hm - s.th. messed samba on my development workstation
19:52 < rxr> when I last used it (months ago it was working) - not it is timeouting like hell ..
19:52 < _Ragnar__> ok
19:52 < mnemoc_> _Ragnar__: busybox? :)
19:52 < rxr> or it is windows fault ...
19:53 < mnemoc_> uhm... rxr [M]s busybox....
19:53 < _Ragnar__> huh?
19:53 < mnemoc_> ok, uclibc and fox 'transfered' to Roland Schulz
19:54 < _Ragnar__> :)
19:54 < valentin> hm - maybe this is the default behavior if x is not pure virtual in A
19:54 < valentin> this sucks
19:54 < _Ragnar__> make it not virtual in b?
19:54 < valentin> so i have to add much more functions to C which just call B::x
19:55 < rxr> hm - ok - file copy is fast
19:55 < rxr> do not need more
19:55 < rxr> only a clone of the viavoice and windows files to give wine a try on them ...
19:55 < valentin> _Ragnar__: i check it out, mom
19:56 < rxr> hm - the tiny old windows box is shuffling 2
19:56 < rxr> MB max over the line ...
19:56 < valentin> _Ragnar__: does not work either...
19:56 < rxr> ok -- 3MB max ...
19:56 < _Ragnar__> :/
19:56 < rxr> ouhm
19:56 < rxr> damn
19:57 < rxr> windows stopped at win386 or so complaining it is used
19:57 < rxr> but ok cancels the whole copy
19:57 < rxr> is there some way to tell this stupid explorer to copy the remaining files ?
19:57 < rxr> or do I have to open 7zip for that ?
19:57 < _Ragnar__> not that I know of ... use rsync?
19:57 < rxr> I do not want to install cygwin ...
19:58 * valentin reading the stroustrup
19:58 < _Ragnar__> ;D
19:58 < rxr> hm - has pscp recursive ... ,-)
19:58 < _Ragnar__> brb, breakfast
19:58 < rxr> cool
19:58 < rxr> it has
20:00 < rxr> ouhm -pscp is sloooooooooooooooow
20:00 < rxr> (at least with that 23
20:00 < rxr> 3Mhz box ...)
20:00 < rxr> 240kB/s ...
20:00 < rxr> this will take some time ...
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20:04 < valentin> hm, i cannot reproduce that in some test code
20:11 < rxr> ouhm
20:12 < rxr> mnemoc_: your mail misses the attachment
20:13 < mnemoc_> yes :\
20:13 < mnemoc_> refresh
20:14 < valentin> the t2@ is a redirect to our mailing list ?
20:14 < mnemoc_> t2@t2? i hope so
20:17 < valentin> worked around my problem, still no idea why it behaved different before
20:19 < rxr> mnemoc_: what should we comment on the list ?
20:19 < mnemoc_> rxr: what do you mean?
20:20 < mnemoc_> not all developers and users are on #t2 in every minute, i think anything affecting everyone should be at least summarized on the list
20:21 < rxr> yes sure - I just do not know what we should reply to it ..
20:22 < mnemoc_> you offer of @t2 when it works, for example :)
20:22 < mnemoc_> your*
20:22 < mnemoc_> or your comments about nested targets :p
20:23 < rxr> I mean the executor mail
20:23 < mnemoc_> if you have nothing to say, say nothing :)
20:24 < rxr> you see - windows makes you dump ,-)
20:24 < rxr> with you I mean me ...
20:24 < mnemoc_> :)
20:25 < mnemoc_> windows and ms office considered harmful
20:59 < valentin> mnemoc_: after reading your mail, i still do not understand how to create an extension
21:00 < valentin> so if i want to extend embedded i create target/embeded/extends and then ?
21:00 < mnemoc_> echo embeded > target/dreamcast/extends
21:00 < valentin> ah - this way :)
21:00 < mnemoc_> :)
21:00 < mnemoc_> i have to go
21:00 < valentin> now i understand the story
21:00 < valentin> cu
21:00 < mnemoc_> cu :)
21:01 < rxr> cu mnemoc_
21:03 < rxr> $ wine /media/cdrom/setup.exe
21:03 < rxr> ...
21:05 < rxr> cool - now the via voice installer looks different ...
21:05 < rxr> let's hope this means it will work better after the install in wine ...
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21:18 < keinek> hi
21:28 < valentin> hi keinek
21:28 < valentin> kerstin demands some of my time now - bbl
21:30 < rxr> cool - the sound recorder at least gets my mic input ...
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22:59 < mnemoc_> rxr: failed builds leave /proc mounts abandoned
23:16 < mnemoc_> valentin: vziegler@t2 or valentin@t2 ?
23:17 < rxr> valentin
23:17 < mnemoc_> thanks
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23:47 < valentin> re
23:47 < rxr> ok - I played a bit with the sphinx speech recognition
23:47 < rxr> A B C D E F G 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 gets into this:
23:47 < rxr> B B C Q U FIFTH Q ONE TWO THREE FOUR FOURTH SIX AND
23:47 < rxr> ...
23:47 < rxr> and this is over document thousands of parameters hell software ...
23:48 * rxr is happy that I got it to do anything at all ...
23:48 < _Ragnar__> ;D
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