--- Log opened Fri May 27 00:00:54 2005
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04:03 < keinek> buenas
04:03 < keinek> hi
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04:22 < _Lewellyn> hoi keinek 
04:29 < mnemoc> *yawn*
04:32 < _Lewellyn> morning ;)
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04:59 < keinek> hoi _Lewellyn 
06:48 < CIA-6> amery * r9123 /trunk/package/java/ (10 files in 10 dirs): * repriorized JDKs and JREs to 150.000, after libgnome, zip and gtk+ -- bdb problem needs a different solution
07:05 < CIA-6> amery * r9124 /trunk/package/database/ (bdb-java/ bdb33-java/): * added bdb-java and bdb33-java packages (part 1)
07:06 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: that doesn't sound good :(
07:07 < mnemoc> nah
07:08 < mnemoc> JDKs has to many dependencies to be run early or at early stages
07:08 < mnemoc> it's cleaner to split bdb
07:08 < mnemoc> bdb and bdb-java
07:09 < _Lewellyn> ah. ok. the "needs a different solution" was kind of ominous
07:10 < mnemoc> it is :)
07:11 < CIA-6> amery * r9125 /trunk/package/database/bdb-java/ (6 files): * created bdb-java package (part 2)
07:12 < CIA-6> amery * r9126 /trunk/package/database/bdb33/ (6 files): * created bdb33-java package (part 2)
07:15 < CIA-6> amery * r9127 /trunk/package/database/ (bdb-java/bdb-java.desc bdb33-java/bdb33.desc): * repriorized bdb{,33}-java after JDKs (300.000)
07:17 < CIA-6> amery * r9128 /trunk/package/database/bdb/bdb-conf.in: * changed bdb-conf.in to distinguish betwen bdb{,33} and bdb{,33}-java
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07:21 < CIA-6> amery * r9129 /trunk/package/database/ (12 files in 2 dirs): * fixed 9126, i renamed the wrong package (sorry)
07:23 < rxr> re
07:23 < CIA-6> amery * r9130 /trunk/package/database/ (bdb/bdb.desc bdb33/bdb33.desc): * unmarked bdb and bdb33 as KAFFE
07:23 < rxr> oh - cool - bdb-java ,-)
07:23 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
07:24 < _Lewellyn> moring rxr
07:25 < CIA-6> amery * r9131 /trunk/package/database/ (bdb/libjdir.patch bdb33/libjdir.patch): * removed libjdir from bdb and bdb33
07:25 < mnemoc> moin rxr
07:25 < mnemoc> rxr: kaffe needed zip and sun-* libgnome :(
07:27 < rxr> hehe ...
07:28 < mnemoc> to much stuff to stage 3 :)
07:28 < rxr> splitting those - as we should do with gettext-mono - helps for dependencies anyway
07:28 < mnemoc> yep
07:28 < rxr> we should try to avoid rebuild as much as possible
07:29 < rxr> valentin: I just received the Apple confimration what EXAC is not our official Apple registered creator code ...
07:29 < CIA-6> amery * r9132 /trunk/package/database/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
07:29 < CIA-6> * changed bdb{,33}-java (and bdb-conf.in) to take patches for bdb{,33}'s .desc
07:29 < CIA-6> * changed bdb{,33}-java to source bdb{,33}'s .conf
07:32 < CIA-6> amery * r9133 /trunk/package/database/ (bdb/bdb.conf bdb33/bdb33.conf): * changed bdb{,33}.conf to distinguish bdb{,33} and bdb{,33}-java
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07:36 < _Lewellyn> ok. i have to leave work. see you all in the morning :)
07:37 < mnemoc> cu _Lewellyn 
07:37 < CIA-6> amery * r9134 /trunk/package/database/bdb33-java/ (bdb33-java.conf noinst-default.patch transform-name.patch): * changed bdb33-java to take .patch files from bdb33
07:38 < rxr> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/05/26/tiger_ui_review/
07:39 < CIA-6> amery * r9135 /trunk/package/database/bdb-java/bdb-conf.in: * removed bdb-conf.in from bdb-java package
07:42 < CIA-6> amery * r9136 /trunk/package/database/bdb-java/ (bdb-java.conf bdb-java.desc): * removed bdb-java.conf - unneeded
07:47 < mnemoc> rxr: how is your need osX job going?
07:48 < rxr> I'm back to linux since yesterday around lunch time ..
07:48 < rxr> initil bill should be payed the next days ...
07:49 < mnemoc> nice
07:50 < CIA-6> amery * r9137 /branches/2.1/package/database/ (23 files in 4 dirs): * merged 9123-9136 from trunk: splited bdb{,33} to produce java bindings on bdb{,33}-java packages
07:50 < rxr> http://sourceforge.net/
07:50 < rxr> ^- down ?
07:52 < mnemoc> nah.... just slow
07:52 < CIA-6> amery * r9138 /branches/2.1/package/java/ (10 files in 10 dirs): * merged 9123 from trunk: repriorized JDKs and JREs to 150.000 - after bdb, gtk+, libgnome and zip.
07:57 < rxr> slow enough to cause a timeout on my side most of the time ...
07:57 < rxr> damn
08:29 < rxr> The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance.
08:29 < rxr> ...
08:29 < mnemoc> finally crashed
09:03 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm right now scripting an automatic update notified via a t2-updates list
09:03 < rxr> notifier ...
09:04 < mnemoc> using freshmeat to CV-URL analisys?
09:04 < mnemoc> analisis*
09:04 < mnemoc> or*
09:04 < mnemoc> err.... tired
09:05 < mnemoc> using freshmeat or [CV-URL]?
09:05 < rxr> using the new C++ source and up-stream original URL check
09:05 < rxr> the C++ tracker need some extensions later on
09:06 < rxr> that is use Download translation do access sourceforge sites and top level dir checks to find gnome* and mozilla style sorted tarballs ...
09:06 < mnemoc> nice
09:06 < mnemoc> let see what it produce :)
09:07 < mnemoc> svn: REPORT of '/t2/!svn/bc/9122/branches/2.1/package/database/bdb33/noinst-default.patch': timed out waiting for server (http://svn.exactcode.de)
09:07 < rxr> no problem known
09:16 < CIA-6> amery * r9139 /branches/2.1/package/database/bdb/bdb-conf.in: * fixed typo on bdb-conf.in
09:18 < rxr> mnemoc: can you subscribe to t2-updates to get my experimental mails to be sent out soon ?
09:18 < mnemoc> sure
09:20 < CIA-6> amery * r9140 /branches/2.1/package/database/bdb33/noinst-default.patch: * fixed bdb33/noinst-default.patch because we don't have libjdir now
09:22 < rxr> mnemoc: if you alreaedy subscribed you need to again
09:23 < rxr> a config file had wrong permissins ...
09:23 < rxr> sorry
09:25 < mnemoc> no reply of second subscription yet
09:27 < rxr> still not ?
09:30 < rxr> you are subsribed ...
09:35 < CIA-6> amery * r9141 /trunk/package/database/ (bdb/bdb-conf.in bdb33/noinst-default.patch): * merged 9139,9140 from 2.1: fixed problems on bdb33{,-java} split
09:35 < mnemoc> i got the reply 4 minutes ago
09:36 < rxr> good ,-)(
09:36 < rxr> ouhm
09:37 < CIA-6> amery * r9142 /trunk/package/network/webmin/ (nodefuser.patch setup.patch stone_mod_webmin.sh webmin.conf): * merged 9109 from 2.1: fixed webmin to install all needed files, install working config files to /etc/opt/webmin and fixed stone_mod_webmin
09:39 < CIA-6> amery * r9143 /trunk/package/graphic/libpano/libpano.conf: * merged 9111 from trunk: fixed libpano to work with the recent java changes
09:51 < CIA-6> rene * r9144 /trunk/package/mail/nullmailer/nullmailer.desc: * took over nullmailer
09:59 < rxr> Toshiba Demonstrates Cell Microprocessor Simultaneously Decoding 48 MPEG-2 Streams
09:59 < rxr> http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/NEWS_EN/20050425/104149/?ST=english
10:00 < CIA-6> amery * r9145 /branches/2.1/package/java/kaffe/ (3 files): * adapted kaffe/bdb extension to use current names
10:03 < rxr> ouhm - Emerge is smarted than I ... :-)(
10:04 < mnemoc> uhm?
10:05 < rxr> just kidding
10:05 < mnemoc> :)
10:05 < rxr> I sorted the packages I wanted build in the order I wanted to continue working on the box sooner - however I forgot that Emerge sorts them by priority - and thus the thing I wanted urgently is built last ..
10:06 < mnemoc> :)
10:10 < mnemoc> rxr: can we have c++ based var_append and var_remove on 2.2?
10:10 < rxr> hm
10:10 < rxr> why do you ask ?
10:11 < rxr> we could implement them with the bash helper in C - that would get most speed
10:11 < mnemoc> those funcions are called a lot.... and they are sloooow
10:12 < rxr> ok - added to my todays TODO
10:12 < mnemoc> thanks<
10:15 < CIA-6> amery * r9146 /trunk/package/java/kaffe/ (3 files): * merged 9145 from 2.1: adapted kaffe/bdb extension to use current names
10:15 < mnemoc> now i can rest in peace.... cu
10:18 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
10:21 < valentin> moin
10:22 < rxr> moin valentin 
10:23 < valentin> rxr: in "our" makefiles, how can i specify which objects librarys / binaries are build from ?
10:24 < rxr> isn'
10:24 < rxr> t
10:24 < rxr> your-app: some.o other.o
10:24 < rxr> enough ?
10:28 < valentin> mom
10:28 < valentin> no
10:30 < rxr> just wrote a mail to IBM asking where their ViaVoice for Linux vanished to ...
10:30 < valentin> executables only build from executable.o  and .so builds from $(BUILD_OBJS) by default
10:30 < rxr> oh - that shound like it needs fixing ...
10:31 < rxr> I think I try to run my old ViaVoice 98 or so in Wine later on today ...
10:37 < valentin> ok, you can tell the linker to link different objects / libs via the $(LIBS) var, but how can you specify different options for different binaries ?
10:37 < rxr> I think not yet
10:37 < rxr> we should add a possibility
10:40 < valentin> ok, for now i come along with the way it is
10:41 < valentin> just some testprograms needs manual rule injection, but those are not build by default
10:41 < valentin> hm, no
10:41 < valentin> the binary creation rule does not even work
10:41 < valentin> when there is no object that is called like the binary
10:42 < valentin> my main object is main.o and not netconf.o so the automatic rule is not applied :(
10:45 < valentin> ok, another rule that had to be "hand made"
10:46 < valentin> btw: one day we should create a repository for our Rules, shouldn't we ?
10:47 < rxr> yes
10:47 < rxr> exactfules or exactbuild or so ...
10:47 < rxr> including the lightweight shell configure ...
10:47 < valentin> for example in your embedded subdir you extendet the rules to use diet as option
10:47 < valentin> i did some other stuff here
10:48 < rxr> yep
10:48 < rxr> tough that is quite embedded specific
10:49 < valentin> well, as long as it remains a simple option
10:49 < rxr> on more other c++ librariy utilization stuff it will not work
10:49 < rxr> maybe it should be an embedded package add-on
11:17 < valentin> rxr: what dou you think, how much noise does the new update list create per day ?
11:17 < rxr> I think not too much
11:17 < rxr> of course I only send new ones
11:17 < valentin> all update candidates go into one mail ?
11:17 < rxr> we'll see - maybe 10-20 mails a day ?
11:17 < rxr> I have to decide yet - but I think signles mails are better to handle
11:17 < rxr> you can delete ones processed
11:18 < rxr> and reply to the one you want to work on and the like
11:18 < valentin> do you send out update notifications, too ?
11:18 < rxr> what do you mean ?
11:18 < valentin> like Re: asymptote 0.899 (updated)
11:18 < rxr> well - not sure yet
11:18 < valentin> so you see if someone made the update in trunk
11:19 < rxr> we could do that on svn checking if it makes our life easier
11:19 < rxr> we'll have to see how it fits in our style to work
11:19 < valentin> yep
11:22 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 0.92% (21 hits, 2266 misses)
11:22 < rxr> == 05/27/05 11:21:37 =[9]=> Finished building package wine.
11:24 < CIA-6> rene * r9147 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/ (wine.cache wine.desc): * updated wine (20050419 -> 20050524)
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11:37 < jeru> moin
11:37 < rxr> hi
11:38 < jeru> hi rxr
11:38 < valentin> moin jeru
11:38 < jeru> hi valentin 
11:39 < jeru> let's see how t2-updates will work:)
11:39 < rxr> jeru: just hacking on the last bits
11:39 < rxr> (aside setting up some mail relay on my home rs6k where it will run on)
11:43 < jeru> hehe :)
11:43 < jeru> subscribed already, didn't know that don valentino is our ml admin :)
11:44 < jeru> btw ... resynced/rescheduled the trunkref
11:47 < CIA-6> rene * r9148 /trunk/ (misc/share/CVTranslations source/UpdateList.cc): 
11:47 < CIA-6> * quick and dirty Download translations for UpdateList.cc - yuck
11:47 < CIA-6> * added CVTranslations, since the sourceforge ones need to be
11:47 < CIA-6>  translated differently for version checks - yuck
11:52 < jeru> rxr: what does this "yuck" mean ? Hopefully not, that you hadn't washed yourself for weaks ;)
11:52 < rxr> nope
11:52 < jeru> rxr, btw, linux24 builds on trunk now ... now
11:52 < jeru> oops 
11:53 < jeru> rxr: what does it mean ?
11:55 < rxr> http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/dings.cgi?lang=en&noframes=1&query=yuck
11:56 < jeru> thank you :)
11:56 < rxr> hm - the update UpdateList yields 53 updates for network alone ...
11:56 < rxr> tough some false ..
11:56 < jeru> oh!
11:56 < valentin> how many of them are false ?
11:56 < rxr> no idea
11:56 < rxr> 5 ?
11:57 < jeru> rxr: how can I generate this list ?
11:57 < rxr> which list ?
11:57 < rxr> ah
11:57 < rxr> cd soruce
11:57 < rxr> source even
11:57 < rxr> make
11:57 < rxr> cd ..
11:58 < rxr> ./source/UpdateList package/network/*/*.desc 2>&1 > log
11:58 < rxr> grep XXX log
11:58 < jeru> thanks
12:00 < rxr> so - let me setup nullmailer and awit the diluvian^W mail flood
12:00 < rxr> I'll work on narrowing the false positives down - later on
12:00 < rxr> so far I think the UpdateList should be resonable accurate for the beta
12:06 < rxr> valentin: see t2 list
12:07 < valentin> the info issue ?
12:07 < valentin> it worked some time ago - i take a look
12:07 < rxr> thanks
12:21 < rxr> joerg schilling again flaming on linux-kernel
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12:32 < rxr> jeru: around ?
12:35 < rxr> jeru: valentin: please watch t2-updates
12:35 < rxr> there will be the first mail now
12:35 < valentin> rxr: what does joerg say ?
12:35 < rxr> please comment ...
12:35 < rxr> valentin: the usual linux-kenel sucks - hail to my perfect cdrecord
12:36 < valentin> well, he is the chef hacker
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12:39 < rxr> valentin: anything too bad on the automatic mail?
12:39 < valentin> rxr: i would say you should add the original file into the mail
12:39 < valentin> see above
12:39 < valentin> so one can easy see if the hit is a fake one
12:41 < rxr> ok - I inject the full log as generated by the UpdateList
12:44 < rxr> ouhm - is the rs6k slow
12:44 < rxr> oh - no wonder - my Emerge is running with 8 parallel jobs ...
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12:48 < rxr> http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2005/05/24_buckwheat.shtml
12:49 < jeru> re
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12:52 < rxr> jeru: your comments to your wished feature ?
12:54 < CIA-6> rene * r9149 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc: * #ifdef'ed out the version tests
12:55 < rxr> ok - jeru valentin - next mail
12:57 < jsaw> shock.. my girl friends cell phone has a ATI gfx chip inside...
12:57 < valentin> hi jsaw 
12:57 < jsaw> hi valentin 
12:57 < valentin> does the phone run linux ?
12:58 < jsaw> hmmm. don't know, it's a motorola sth.
12:59 < rxr> no comemnts to the update tracker email output ?
12:59 < jsaw> hi rxr
12:59 < valentin> i have no second email yet ...
12:59 < rxr> http://www.atitech.com/companyinfo/press/2004/4802.html
12:59 < valentin> our mailserver sometimes lags
12:59 < jsaw> Motorola E550
13:00 < jsaw> rxr:  ;)
13:00 < jsaw> the camera is funny: a cubicle of 5^3 mm^3 size
13:01 < jsaw> (btw, washing machine accident...)
13:02 < rxr> ATIs Imageon Media Processors provide advanced multimedia features such as digital still image capture (digital camera), Image Viewing (JPEG decoding) and rotation, and video clip (MPEG4) playback. 
13:02 < rxr> ok - I kick the checker to cruch all packages ...
13:03 < valentin> hm, there are some hardcoded path in minimalist
13:04 < valentin> ah - ok
13:04 < valentin> think i found the issue
13:06 < rxr> oh - I think I need to fix the update tracker to take the last file - not the first - see binutils log ...
13:07 < jeru> agian ... re 
13:07 < jeru> hi jsaw
13:07 < jsaw> hi jeru
13:07 < jeru> rxr: will take a look now
13:09 < jeru> rxr: perhaps the package URL inside the generated t2-update mail would be helpful ;)
13:09 < rxr> what URL?
13:09 < rxr> the orig one or T2 package matrix ?
13:10 < jeru> the originial one I think .... but it doesn't matter if it's the one from the package matrix
13:12 < jsaw> btw, when will the homepage be switched?
13:12 < rxr> to CMS ?
13:12 < rxr> when it is ready ...
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13:12 < rxr> if it is tell me ,-)
13:13 < jsaw> rxr: I think even if it is not yet in the shape we would like it to be it's definitely more pleasing then the old one :)
13:13 < rxr> that might be ...
13:14 < rxr> did you enable http:// ?
13:14 < rxr> hi tilix 
13:14 < jsaw> https...
13:14 < tilix> hi rxr; hi all
13:14 < jsaw> hi tilix 
13:14 < rxr> yeah - but isn't that a bit overkill for normal visits ...
13:15 < jsaw> right. Should be accessed ro via http
13:15 < jeru> rxr: as you know ... I had not much time to enhance the upcoming  website the last weeks ... :/
13:15 < jeru> I'll enable http this evening
13:15 < rxr> ok
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13:18 < jeru> I just used https ... because I wanted to ensure the privacy of our members, because plone has no SSL support for now ... but I can tweak it to switch automatically to https for specific URL i.e. the login_form ...
13:18 < CIA-6> rene * r9150 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc: * fixed UpdateList.cc to return the highest version (not the first)
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13:19 < rxr> jeru: ack
13:22 < rxr> jeru: are the mails what you epxected from the update tracker ?
13:25 < jeru> rxr: displayed URL is ok ... but still a lot of noise 
13:25 < rxr> I think there is not too much noise
13:25 < rxr> why do you think so ?#
13:28 < rxr> http://www.sandisk.com/retail/sansa.asp
13:28 < rxr> ^- if it would do Vorbis instead of WMA. ...
13:28 < jeru> is all this MATCH stuff necessary ?
13:29 < jeru> rxr: but anyway ... I think it's in quite good shape and we can improve it later on ...
13:29 < rxr> as you see - my first mail only included the resulting file - valentin voted for - what was it - ah - the original file ...
13:29 < rxr> so I added the log ...
13:30 < tilix> bye
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13:30 < rxr> you only need to look a the head - and if you want to know "why the h*ll" the tracker throw out a questionalble file scroll the the backtrace ...
13:37 < CIA-6> rene * r9151 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc: 
13:37 < CIA-6> * only add versions with content to the list to match and made
13:37 < jeru> rxr: I think, the people which are subscribed t2-updates atm., will know what to do ;)
13:37 < CIA-6>  a debug cout conditional
13:44 < rxr> ouhm - who should proceed all the many updates ...
13:44 < jeru> make[1]: warning: jobserver unavailable: using -j1.  Add `+' to parent make rule.
13:44 < jeru> rxr: I'm already doing some updates ;)
13:46 < rxr> good
13:47 < CIA-6> chris * r9152 /trunk/package/base/acl/acl.desc: * updated acl (2.2.27 -> 2.2.28)
13:47 < rxr> you test them, right ?
13:47 < jeru> of course 
13:47 < rxr> good
13:48 < rxr> I add some of the grave misreports to my TODO
13:48 < rxr> expect the parser / matcher to improve later on
13:48 < jeru> rxr: ok
13:52 < CIA-6> chris * r9153 /trunk/package/base/dump/dump.desc: * updated dump (0.4b39 -> 0.4b40)
13:52  * jeru short away
14:09 < CIA-6> chris * r9154 /trunk/package/base/attr/attr.desc: * updated (2.4.19 -> 2.4.20)
14:09 < valentin> the update mails seem to motivate some ppl :)
14:11 < jeru> valentin: you could be right ;)
14:13 < jeru> valentin: classic division of work ;)
14:14 < CIA-6> chris * r9155 /trunk/package/base/eject/eject.desc: * updated eject (2.0.13 -> 2.1.0)
14:14 < jeru> I've to feed my ref build ... hehe :)
14:18 < jeru> is there any know problem with autgen ? it failed on the ref build -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/trunkref/regressions.html
14:19 < jeru> checking whether with-libguile was specified... no
14:19 < jeru> checking whether with-libguile-cflags was specified... no
14:19 < jeru> checking whether with-libguile-libs was specified... no
14:19 < jeru> checking whether libguile can be linked with... no
14:19 < jeru> configure: error: Cannot find working libguile
14:19 < jeru> Due to previous errors, no 5-autogen.log file!
14:21 < CIA-6> chris * r9156 /trunk/package/base/findutils/findutils.desc: * updated findutils (4.2.18 -> 4.2.19)
14:23 < rxr> seems I have to test find, since someone already updated it regardless my remark:
14:23 < rxr> #BEWARE: 4.2.16 is broken.
14:23 < rxr> package/base/findutils/findutils.desc
14:25 < jeru> rxr: sorry did that mean that all version above 4.2.16 are broken ?
14:31 < rxr> no idea ...
14:31 < rxr> that only means I updated 4.2.16 and it had grave bugs ...
14:32 < rxr> valentin: I fwd. you a mail
14:33 < rxr> if you need a temlate for yours look on my idefix in office/r2005-05-25 - and be sure to use 75 (not 70) per page
14:35 < valentin> rxr: thanks
14:36 < valentin> how do i know the page-count ?
14:36 < rxr> estimate - in the hope it matches reality
14:36 < rxr> if I see in the shop my guess is wrong I'll increate it the next time ...
14:43 < CIA-6> chris * r9157 /trunk/package/develop/guile/guile.desc: 
14:43 < CIA-6> * changed build priority to build guile before autogen
14:43 < CIA-6>  to fix autogen build problem
14:45 < jeru> .oO( my collegues organized some ice cream ...:)o
14:46 < rxr> hm - Via Voice 98 installer starts in wine ...
14:47 < rxr> altough I have strange unhandled exception erros in the wine terminal ...
14:48 < rxr> wine: Unhandled exception (thread 0098), starting debugger...
14:48 < rxr> WineDbg starting on pid 0x97
14:48 < rxr> Unhandled exception: assertion failed in 32-bit code (0xb7ecd441).
14:48 < rxr> In 32 bit mode.
14:49 < rxr> cool - it just spoke to me ,-) and instal coping files ...
14:50  * rxr needs to grab a bluetooth headset if my good old viavoice runs in wine ...
15:00 < CIA-6> chris * r9158 /trunk/package/base/device-mapper/device-mapper.desc: * updated device-mapper (1.01.00 -> 1.01.02)
15:09 < CIA-6> chris * r9159 /trunk/package/base/lm_sensors/lm_sensors.desc: * updated lm_sensors (2.9.0 -> 2.9.1)
15:17 < CIA-6> chris * r9160 /trunk/package/base/lvm2/lvm2.desc: * updated lvm2 (2.01.04 -> 2.01.10)
15:24 < jeru> rxr: what about updating strace ... on the strace hompage they say "Current version: 4.4" but we're using 4.5.9 atm ... 
15:24 < jeru> do we use the development version ?
15:25 < rxr> no idea - it works for me ...
15:25 < rxr> just update it I would say
15:25 < jeru> ok ...  :)
15:28 < CIA-6> chris * r9161 /trunk/package/base/strace/strace.desc: * updated strace (4.5.9 -> 4.5.11)
15:33 < CIA-6> chris * r9162 /trunk/package/base/sudo/sudo.desc: * updated sudo (1.6.8p7 -> 1.6.8p8)
15:34 < valentin> rxr: you got mail
15:34 < jeru> valentin: what about me ? ;)
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15:41 < rxr> http://research.microsoft.com/research/pubs/view.aspx?type=Technical%20Report&id=70
15:41 < rxr> "In this paper, we first review Sphinx-II, a large-vocabulary speaker-independent continuous speech recognition system developed at CMU. We summarize techniques that helped Sphinx-II achieve the state-of-the-art large-vocabulary continuous speech recognition performance."
15:41 < rxr> hm - maybe sphinx it not too bad then
15:45 < CIA-6> chris * r9163 /trunk/package/base/texinfo/texinfo.desc: * updated texinfo (4.7 -> 4.8)
15:45 < jeru> rxr: I guess ... I'll leave gtk* updates for you ;)
15:45  * jeru hides 
15:57 < mipe> Error logs from livecd-2.2.0-alpha-x86-64-athlon64-livecd:
15:57 < mipe> 
15:57 < mipe> 
15:57 < mipe> 481 builds total, 211 completed fine, 0 with errors.
15:57 < mipe> 
15:57 < mipe> heh, didnt remove empty lines,how wierd
16:01 < mipe> but i need someone to compile grub for me, x86 static i386 and upload it to somewhere,i'll create a package for it that x86-64 can use
16:03 < rxr> I could tar you up static grub up - but it should not go into t2 - we should fix buliding of grub ...
16:05 < rxr> http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,75023,00.html
16:05 < rxr> ^- getting Linux without this crappy Gtk+ / Gstreamer stuff on it ,-) ?`T2 based ?
16:06 < rxr> "Operating system 
16:06 < rxr> Internet Tablet 2005 software edition" <- nice name for Linux + Gtk+ ...
16:08 < rxr> http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/processors/c7/
16:10 < CIA-6> chris * r9164 /trunk/package/mail/courier-authlib/courier-authlib.desc: * updated courier-authlib (0.55 -> 0.56)
16:10 < rxr> nokia tells "350 euros including VAT"
16:11 < CIA-6> chris * r9165 /trunk/package/mail/courier-imap/courier-imap.desc: * updated courier-imap (4.0.2 -> 4.0.3)
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16:12 < keinek> morning
16:12 < keinek> :)
16:15 < jeru> hi keinek 
16:19 < jeru> Frage Radio1 - Herr Bosbach, wer waere der beste Innenminister Guido Westerwelle oder Günther Beckstein?
16:19 < jeru> Bosbach: Ohne Zweifel waere Günther BEckstein die richtige Wahl, da er wie kein anderer die Sprache des Volkes spricht 
16:20 < jeru> und in zahllose Erfolge in Bezug auf Terrorismusbekämpfung erziehlt hat
16:20 < jeru> in Bayern
16:21 < jeru> ok ... sorry ...switching language again
16:21 < valentin> jeru: which "erfolge" ?
16:21 < jeru> valentin: I don't know ... 
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16:46 < CIA-6> chris * r9166 /trunk/package/mail/maildrop/maildrop.desc: * updated maildrop (1.8.0 -> 1.8.1)
16:49 < valentin> need a shower ... bbl
16:55 < mipe> rxr: well i dont wanna take a look a again at grub, so someone else has to fix it,i'll provide shell access when needed
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17:08 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:08 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005]
17:08 [Users #t2]
17:08 [ _Lewellyn] [ dualopteron] [ keinek] [ nzg ] [ SerWou       ] 
17:08 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jeru       ] [ mipe  ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly[u5]] 
17:08 [ CIA-6    ] [ jsaw       ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_] [ valentin     ] 
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17:21 < rxr_> grummel
17:22 < rxr_> I just vacuum cleaned my kitchen due to all the sem blossoms of the tree outside covering everything ... :-(
17:23 < rxr_> with a wind blow it nearly looks like snow ...
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17:27 < jeru> ok cu later 
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17:46 < valentin> re
18:00 < CIA-6> mika * r9167 /trunk/package/base/termcap/termcap.desc: *added FPIC flag to termcap, so python compiles on amd64
18:06 < mipe> bioscall.c:4:22: sys/vm86.h: No such file or directory
18:06 < rxr_> valentin: what buttons does the 7450 scanner has on the front ?
18:07 < mipe> on ddcxinfo. does someone really have this file in this location? i only see asm-x86
18:08 < mipe> ups thats asm/ more precise asm-i386, no x86_64 equivalent here
18:08 < valentin> email, a small toggle button for email {photo,document}, fax, number of copies, copy, toggle button {color,bw} copy, file, software, text, options and a display
18:08 < rxr_> http://www.planetary.org/saturn/images_saturn_rings.html
18:09 < rxr_> mipe: on x86 that package built ...
18:09 < mipe> thats wierd
18:10 < mipe> can you look if you really have that file on there or asm/
18:10 < rxr_> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1193 Mar 28 14:08 /usr/include/sys/vm86.h
18:10 < mipe> damm
18:10 < mipe> i really hoped that you didnt have it there :)
18:11 < valentin> rxr_: many of those photos are from the voyager mission
18:11 < rxr_> I found it googling for hp7400 images ...
18:11 < rxr_> I only posted it because of some hi-res pictures would make a nice desktop background for some people
18:12 -!- You're now known as rxr
18:14 < valentin> i am just amazed about the quality of 1977s digicams
18:18 < mnemoc> *yawn*
18:23 < valentin> moin mnemoc 
18:23 < mnemoc> moin valentin 
18:28 < rxr> hey mnemoc !
18:30 < mnemoc> hi rxr
18:30  * mnemoc imagine an smart hok on trunk to reply t2-update on update
18:30 < mnemoc> hook
18:31 < rxr> valentin: of course with lots of money cou can always build state of the art / cutting edge. Todays mirror reflex digial camera have over 9Mega pixel ... and commercial high-res stuff far more, ...
18:34 < valentin> shopping, bbl
18:35 < rxr> valentin: and btw. maybe they are colorized from "semi-high-res" gray scans with partial color data only or so ..
18:36 < CIA-6> amery * r9168 /branches/2.1/package/develop/guile/guile.desc: * marked guile as NOPARALLEL
18:38 < CIA-6> amery * r9169 /branches/2.1/package/perl/perl-xml-parser/perl-xml-parser.desc: * repriorized perl-xml-parser before shared-mime-info (120.000)
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19:30 < jeru> re hi
19:36 < jeru> .oO( hmmm... texinfo doesn't compile on the trunk ref build after I made the update to 4.8)o
19:37 < mnemoc> the risk on updating
19:38 < mnemoc> file a bug report :)
19:38 < mnemoc> uhm... where?
19:38 < jeru> hi mnemoc ... yes it was build on my system before
19:39 < mnemoc> i mean, where can you file the bug report ;)
19:39 < jeru> I knew waht you mean ;)
19:39 < mnemoc> :)
19:40 < jeru> as I told to kgb some days before ... I know my companero ;)
19:47 < mnemoc> kgb? who is him?
19:49 < jeru> mnemoc: I don't know who this kgb guy is ... but after I talked to him, I consider him as a bit strange ...
19:51 < rxr> yeah - kind of spying ,-)
19:51 < mnemoc> a guy from openembeded?
19:52 < rxr> isn't that buzz workd verboten here ?
20:01 < rxr> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/world/2003/nuclear_fuel_cycle/mining/default.stm
20:01 < rxr> .oO
20:02 < jeru> rxr: ack ... just t2 buzzwording is allowed in this channel .... and if I see this kgb guy again ... you know ;)
20:03 < rxr> Gigabyte to support four SLI graphics cards on one motherboard
20:03 < rxr> http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050526_155843.html
20:04 < rxr> so - cu 
20:05 < jeru> cu 
20:08 < mnemoc> rxr: what kind of cache are you doing on t2-updates?
20:23 < mnemoc> rxr: can you change the subject to something more understandable .. like commit messages? $pkg ($oldver -> $newver)?
20:28 < rxr> re
20:29 < rxr> mnemoc: I cache the selected file ...
20:30 < rxr> I can change the subject - however injecting an abretary information might need changes to the C++ source ...
20:31 < mnemoc> another bug i noticed is o lvm2
20:31 < mnemoc> file is lvm2.$version
20:31 < mnemoc> and you algoritm takes that 2. as part of the version
20:33 < mnemoc> i think you should use [V] to produce the pattern
20:36 < mnemoc> and the last thing is, there are packages which use _ instead of . in the filename. will you handle this exception or will we change [V]s to match filenames?
20:36 < rxr> I thnik - vs _ should already not be an issue ...
20:37 < rxr> that for lvm2, 2 is take is version is a silent feature, too - and not too bad, is it?
20:37 < rxr> you know that lvm3-0.1 ir so is newer than lavm2-1....
20:37 < mnemoc> but you don't want to do that update
20:38 < rxr> more worring is that additions to the version like -font and -windows or -suse-whatever are not yet filtered away
20:38 < rxr> well - if we only have on package we often might like to do the update ...
20:38 < rxr> s/on/one/ of those#
20:38 < rxr> no for bdb or lvm - but for saner packages with less breakage
20:39 < mnemoc> mayor updates might be noticed, but the suggested update must be inside the same mayor version imo
20:45 < rxr> I think the current output is already quite reasonable - thinking how much rethinking was needed to make it match so good, I would rather avoid such lvm2 vs lvm3 tweaks ...
21:04 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.215.21.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
21:04 < sepp> hi
21:06 < _Lewellyn> rxr: don't all packages have a delimiter between the name and the version number?
21:07 < _Lewellyn> if so, ignore all numbers before the delimiter?
21:09 < rxr> _Lewellyn: the delimiter is changing
21:09 < rxr> sometimes - _ . or none
21:09 < rxr> there are all sorts of ugly naming variants
21:09 < rxr> I tried first
21:09 < rxr> but I know have a version class, that does comparing of the version by looking at the isalpha !isalpha transition
21:10 < rxr> to correctly compare 1.2.12 vs 1.2.9 with all sorts of -beta -alpha -pre, ... supported
21:10 < rxr> with or without delimiter
21:10 < rxr> that works pretty well
21:11 < rxr> mnemoc only noted that my parser _is able_ to parse lvm2-1.0.0 vs lvm3-0.0.1
21:11 < rxr> where it starts to seperate the version after lvm and notifies lvm3 is newer
21:12 < _Lewellyn> ya, i was wondering if things like xyz12.3.4-p1 are common where 12.3.4 is the version
21:12 < rxr> $ time ./c++cp < test > test2
21:12 < rxr> real    1m56.667s
21:12 < rxr> $ time cat < test > test2
21:12 < rxr> real    0m2.888s
21:12 < rxr> oh my god
21:12 < rxr> the c++ code is:
21:13 < rxr>         std::cin >> std::cout.rdbuf();
21:13 < rxr> within main
21:13 < rxr> guess gcc-3.4 will before better tough
21:14 < rxr> _Lewellyn: even those variants exist and even xyz.123 and whatever strange mints type when releasing a tarball ...
21:15 < sepp> will the installer work if i build tar.bz2's instead of gem - mine does not install one of the pkgs 
21:15 < rxr> the gasgui installer of mine will not be able to install tar.bz2 I think
21:15 < rxr> but as I started mine / gem is phasing out
21:15 < rxr> the new installer will work with vanilla tarballs ...
21:15 < rxr> sepp: why do you ask ?
21:16 < sepp> this mine *** dos not install binutils
21:16 < sepp> no error
21:17 < rxr> you mean when you tell mine to install a binutils-$ver.gem ?
21:18 < sepp> yes mine -i binutils-*.gem
21:18 < sepp> nothing
21:18 < rxr> hm
21:18 < rxr> have I pointed out why I want to get rid of this *** ,,,
21:19 < sepp> lol yes ;)
21:19 < rxr> sepp: I think there is at least on newer mine version
21:19 < rxr> you could test it ..
21:20 < sepp> ok i will test it
21:21 < _Lewellyn> rxr: this version numbering thing is just further proof that people are lame :/
21:21 < rxr> _Lewellyn: ack
21:21 < _Lewellyn> ack?
21:22 < rxr> acknowledged
21:22 < rxr> I'm quite happy with my C++ parser (despite that it could get some cleanups)
21:22 < _Lewellyn> ok. didn't know if it was "acknowledged" or a sign of distate
21:22 < _Lewellyn> distaste even
21:26 < rxr> ,-)
21:28 < jeru> cu later
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21:45 < sepp> rxr: thanks for the tip :)
21:46 < mnemoc> re
21:50 < SerWou> hello mnemoc  ;)
21:51 < rxr> sepp: did it help
21:51 < rxr> valentin: alive ?
21:51 < sepp> rxr: yes
21:59 < rxr> sepp: do you commit the update ?
21:59 < sepp> no i am not sure if other things explode
21:59 < rxr> valentin: could you scp from my obelix ~rene/c++-cpp.cc and test it with gcc-3.4 on your ibook
21:59 < rxr> copying 32MB of data vs. cat ?
22:00 < rxr> cat < prepared-data > /dev/null or so
22:28 < sepp> is SDECFG_PKG_APACHE_PREFIX visible in all pkg builds?
22:28 < sepp> so that i can sed webmin to use the right path ...
22:32 < rxr> yes
22:32 < sepp> ahh good, thanks
22:35 < rxr> or - hm
22:35 < rxr> just use pkgprefix apache
22:36 < rxr> that "binds" it to the acually installed apache
22:36 < rxr> not what might be set in the config and maybe outdated or so ...
22:36 < rxr> so - n8 all - /me bed
22:36 < sepp> ok
22:36 < sepp> good night rxr 
23:35 < sepp> good night all
23:36 < mnemoc> n8 sepp 
23:57 < mipe> Error logs from livecd-2.2.0-alpha-x86-64-athlon64-livecd:
23:57 < mipe>  [5] base/mtools                         [5] multimedia/dvbd
23:57 < mipe>  [5] multimedia/dvb-apps                 [5] base/mtr
23:57 < mipe>  [5] x11/ddcxinfo                        [5] base/input-utils
23:57 < mipe>  [5] develop/librep                      [5] x11/xscreensaver
23:57 < mipe>  [5] x86/spicctrl                        [5] kde/kdemultimedia
23:57 < mipe>  [5] base/softdog                        [5] network/isakmpd
23:57 < mipe>  [5] x11/synaptics                       [5] base/nssdb
23:57 < mipe>  [5] base/pmount                         [5] database/bdb-java
23:57 < mipe>  [5] database/bdb33-java                 [5] network/at76c503a
23:58 < mipe> 481 builds total, 463 completed fine, 18 with errors.
23:58 < mipe> but those are for tomorrows work, me off to bed
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