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00:07 < valentin> bbl
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00:28 < rxr> hi ojh 
00:28 < ojh> rxr: Hi
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00:57 < CIA-10> rene * r8818 /trunk/package/gnome2/gaim/gaim.desc: * updated gaim (1.2.1 -> 1.3.0)
00:57 < CIA-10> rene * r8819 /trunk/package/kde/k3b/k3b.desc: * updated k3b (0.11.23 -> 0.11.24)
00:59 < rxr> n8 all
01:00 < _Ragnar__> gn8
02:38 < mnemoc> rehi
02:55 < ojh> rxr: Hi.
02:56 < mnemoc> hi ojh 
02:58 < ojh> I have a question about the build of lazyfs, I examined the build log and I don't see any actual ./configure or compile output as expected . . . :-/
02:58 < ojh> I also rebuilt the kernel - nothing new in the file system modules.
03:02 < mnemoc> if lazyfs is Xed linux26 will load it's postinstall.conf and build the module
03:03 < mnemoc> grep lazyfs /var/adm/log/9-linux26.log
03:03 < ojh> OK
03:08 < ojh> The Kernel build sops with an error when cloop is not found in the download folder - So I need to have everything the kernel will try to build already downloaded . . .
03:08 < ojh> ?
03:10 < mnemoc> you need what you have enabled
03:11 < mnemoc> recient versions of T2 download the automaticly
03:12 < mnemoc> using pkgsel you can disable linux extensions you don't want in your kernel
03:13 < ojh> Is there anything that marks packages as a Kernel extension so I can make sure that they are all downloaded?
03:14 < mnemoc>  echo package/*/*/pkg_linux26_*.conf
03:14 < mnemoc> uhm... no 
03:14 < mnemoc> you have beta4 right?
03:14 < ojh> Beta 3
03:14 < mnemoc>  echo package/*/*/postlinux.conf
03:15 < mnemoc> the same... look for packages with postlinux.conf
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03:36 < CIA-10> amery * r8820 /branches/2.1/ (22 files in 4 dirs): * merged 8779,8780,8794 from trunk: relocated Documentation, mostly into misc/share or removed
03:56 < CIA-10> amery * r8821 /branches/2.1/package/base/linux24/config-700.in: * merged 8753 from trunk: fixed a small typo on linux config
03:58 < CIA-10> amery * r8822 /branches/2.1/package/base/linux-header/hiddev.patch: * merged 8752 from trunk: fixed linux-header hiddev.h for inclusion from user-space
03:59 < CIA-10> amery * r8823 /branches/2.1/package/network/tsclient/tsclient.desc: * merged 8758 from trunk: updated tsclient (0.132 -> 0.140)
04:00 < CIA-10> amery * r8824 /branches/2.1/package/network/ethereal/ethereal.desc: * merged 8781 from trunk: updated ethereal (0.10.10 -> 0.10.11)
04:04 < CIA-10> amery * r8825 /branches/2.1/package/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
04:04 < CIA-10> * merged 8749 from trunk: added dbus [I], and [U] for hal and dbus
04:04 < CIA-10> * merged 8750 from trunk: updated dbus (0.31 -> 0.33)
04:04 < CIA-10> * merged 8751 from trunk: updated hal (0.5.0 -> 0.5.1)
04:22 < CIA-10> amery * r8826 /branches/2.1/package/base/embutils/embutils.desc: * merged 8724 from trunk: marked embutils as DIETLIBC
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09:16 < jeru> moin
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10:40 < jeru> rxr: are you around ?
10:49 < rxr> re
10:49 < rxr> yes
10:51 < jeru> moin :)
10:52 < jeru> how can I change the nic order as you told me yesterday ?
10:53 < jeru> don't want to have ieee1394 as eth0
10:54 < jeru> another "problem" I discovered is, that gigabit nics are not auto detetected, even if the kernel modul is present
10:56 < rxr> oh
10:57 < rxr> that is strange
10:57 < rxr> I need to look up the manual page about the details - there was at least nameif which does rename according to /etc/mactab
10:57 < rxr> but it is also possible in other ways
11:02 < jeru> rxr: it seems that the ethh1394 module is "disturbing" at least the gigabit nic in my new test system :/
11:06 < valentin> moin
11:06 < jeru> moin valentin :)
11:07 < valentin> hi jeru
11:07 < jeru> I cannot even remove this damn eth1394 module 
11:08 < rxr> yes - is is like a plague ...
11:08 < jeru> :)
11:09 < jeru> rxr: why don't we eleminate this "plaque" ?
11:10 < jeru> rxr: is there a section in the T2-Handbook for this nameif /etc/mactab issue ?
11:10 < rxr> no .-((
11:10 < rxr> well - I already used the eth1394 a few times - altough it is a bit buggy it can be a help from time to time
11:10 < rxr> I do not yet have an idea how to handle it ...
11:10 < valentin> we need to migrate the handbook into the cms one day ...
11:11 < rxr> hi valentin 
11:11 < jeru> valentin: ack
11:11 < valentin> hi rxr
11:11 < rxr> Firefox v1.0.4 a
11:11 < jeru> valentin: can you write a small migration script from sgml to Rest ? ;)
11:12 < jeru> valentin: but I remember there I've seen sth. like this already 
11:12 < valentin> jeru: the current handbook is in tex
11:12 < jeru> oh
11:12 < valentin> so most parts should be quite easy to convert with a small script
11:13 < jeru> btw, this page has some problems -> http://dl.exactcode.de/t2-handbook/html/t2-handbookse26.html
11:13 < valentin> yeah - saw that too
11:14 < valentin> but it had not been like that all time before
11:14 < valentin> i think lars made some changes recently
11:15 < rxr> I did not regenerate the HTML after lars changes
11:17 < valentin> maybe he fixed this, then ?
11:17 < rxr> he "only" optmized PDF creation
11:19 < valentin> hm
11:19 < valentin> ok
11:31 < jeru> I guess I've to run nameif from somewhere within rocknet to change the order of the eth devices
11:34 < jeru> I've placed "eth0 MA:CA:DD:RE:SS" in /etc/mactab so far 
11:34 < jeru> how can I run nameif before ifup ?
11:42 < rxr> jeru: I need to rethink the name changes - there are some tweak nexessary in order to allow rocknet / rockplug to work smoothly together when the name changes inbetween
11:43 < rxr> I think run-up and run-script or so are run when the interface is up - not before
11:44 < jeru> rxr: ok ... can I use a workaround at least that it will detect the gigabit nic and load the sk98lin module ?
11:44 < rxr> sk98lin is for the gigabit nic ?
11:44 < jeru> rxr: what could be the problem that the nic isn't detected ?
11:45 < jeru> yep
11:45 < rxr> no idea - the kernel modules is loaded ?
11:45 < jeru> rxr: SysKonnect compatible chip
11:45 < jeru> rxr: no ... the kernel module isn't loaded at boot
11:46 < rxr> hm
11:46 < rxr> it is pci ?
11:47 < rxr> can you tar me the associated:
11:48 < rxr> /sys/bus/pci/devices/????:??:??.? sysfs directory ?
11:49 < jeru> rxr: the nic is onboard, so I guess it's using pci
11:50 < jeru> but I think I've also a switch/nic related problem too ... will check the switch config now
11:51 < jeru> there are some errors "Class: hardware error" in the kernel log
11:52 < jeru> strange ... I setup a system with the same NIC without problems using T2 <-- my IDS at work
11:53 < jeru> but it has a static kernel with sk98lin compiled into it
11:57 < valentin> oh - today is "linux in Berlin" ... no time for that anyway
11:59 < jeru> ok ... at least I've a link now ... had to set the port on the switch explicitely to Gigabit speed
12:00 < jeru> damn autonegotiation
12:00 < rxr> hehe
12:00 < rxr> valentin: linux what ?
12:00 < valentin> http://www.linuxinberlin.de
12:03 < jeru> valentin: btw, gonicus creates the custom debian clients for munich's linux migration project
12:03 < rxr> Mark Washeim - Dyne:bolic Dyne:bolic ist eine von CD-bootende GNU/Linux-Distribution.
12:03 < rxr> ?
12:03 < jeru> rxr: some competitor ? ;)
12:03 < valentin> seems so
12:04 < valentin> how comes i never heard about that event before ?
12:04 < valentin> jeru:  who is gonicus ?
12:04 < rxr> I heared about s.th. like that on the it profits form the th data person
12:04 < rxr> he wanted to send me a mail so I can held a talk
12:05 < rxr> seems he forgot that ... :-(
12:05 < rxr> but he did not even know the name at that time - IIRC
12:05 < rxr> name of this event ... that is
12:16  * rxr away - cu soon 
12:22 < valentin> cu
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12:25 < mtr> hi
12:30 < valentin> hi mtr
12:44 < valentin> for chat dialing there is DT (tone dialing) and DP (pulse dialing). Am i missing something ? is M0 (quiet) a needed command at all ? 
12:45 < valentin> ah - M0 turns of the "noise"
12:48  * valentin has not used an analog modem for years ...
12:49 < valentin> where do i set the M0/M1 command ? in the dial string or in the init ?
12:49 < valentin> like ATM0DT ?
12:52 < jeru> re
12:54 < valentin> i mean, what is analog ? we live i a quantum world - there is nothing like "continuosity" in our universe
12:55 < valentin> everything is discrete, that is the way god meant it to be
12:55 < valentin> god was the first hacker ,)
13:04 < valentin> he even knows how to hide his traces and how to veil his identity, so he must be very skilled ...
13:12 < jsaw> :)
13:14 < valentin> hi jsaw, how are you ?
13:15 < jsaw> tired :|
13:15 < jsaw> we're going to Allgaeu for a week (well, I'll be back on Tuesday) tomorrow... relaxing a bit at least
13:16 < valentin> :)
13:17 < valentin> how are your lasers ?
13:18 < jsaw> haven't checked 'em for two weeks ... but the last time (after I found out that the base plate of the pump laser was clogged and then after cleaning it) it was working great
13:19 < valentin> how far does it reach ? (i have a helicopter problem here....)
13:19 < jsaw> :)
13:20 < valentin> i guess infrared will be mostly absorbed in the air, right ?
13:20 < jsaw> water actually
13:20 < jsaw> I don't know it's spread, but I guess currently it doubles diameter every few meters
13:21 < jsaw> but the green pump plaser (10W, 532nm) doubles diameter something like every 50m, so...
13:22 < valentin> hm, they do not fly by so close - but i could place some fake sprayers in front of our house
13:22 < valentin> oh
13:22 < valentin> green laser sounds good
13:22 < valentin> how much energy ?
13:22 < jsaw> 10W
13:22 < valentin> not bad ...
13:23 < jsaw> some 200.000$ spare?
13:23 < valentin> hm, i guess an old russian r0ck*t l4uncher will be cheaper ...
13:24 < valentin> ok, let's stop - otto is listening...
13:24 < jsaw> :)
13:24 < valentin> they gave you $200k to build your laser ?
13:25 < jsaw> uhm, I guess altogether the project is way more expensive
13:25 < jsaw> http://www.geocities.com/resalles/N2/n2_laser.html
13:25 < valentin> wow
13:27 < jsaw> Sounds a lot but isn't really. Mostly reusable parts...so...
13:27 < valentin> about two years ago i met a pupil who build his own working scanning tunel microscope at pocketmoney cost
13:27 < valentin> he won a price at "jugend forscht"
13:27 < jsaw> We had a guy here that set up a MRI thing, he spent 7M$ only for the magnets...
13:28 < valentin> hehe
13:28 < jsaw> valentin: I faintly remember
13:28 < valentin> i was quite impressed by that project
13:29 < valentin> we have to fight hard, to get the money for a bigger cluster ....
13:29 < valentin> and physicans throw millions out of the window :)
13:29 < jsaw> hehe
13:40 < jeru> hi jsaw 
13:41 < jeru> windoofs is such a crap .... 
13:42 < jeru> or I'm not compatible ...
13:43 < jeru> I tried to logon on a machine as admin for 1000 times with no success ... tried every pw I had
13:43 < jeru> then I ask my windoofs admin collegue to try too, and it worked instantly
13:46 < valentin> i know exactly what you mean - windows hates me, too ...
13:50 < jeru> oh ... good ... I'm not alone :D
13:55 < jsaw> hi jeru 
13:55 < jeru> valentin: I think ... Otto has made a deal with Billy, and they've implemented sth. like a biometric scan for linux users 
13:55 < jeru> hi jsaw :)
13:59 < valentin> jeru: i.e. biometric scan for intelligence
14:00 < jeru> valentin: what do you want to tell me ? :)
14:29 < jeru> btw, why do wen no enable highmem support by default ?
14:29 < jeru> we 
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14:44 < rxr> re
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14:49 < valentin> hi rxr
14:49 < valentin> hi tilix 
14:49 < jeru> hi rxr, tilix 
14:49 < rxr> hey tilix 
14:50 < tilix> rxr: tested T2 Live r3 on AthonXP 2600+/512 RAM with NForce2 chipset (integrated) and it started an endless loop trying to load the X Server saying "NO screens found" 
14:50 < tilix> hi
14:50 < tilix> ... (integrated video card) ...
14:50 < rxr> hm - that is not good ...
14:51 < rxr> tilix: does it stop the endless loop with "disabling X for 5 minutes due to respawning too fast" or so ?
14:51 < tilix> yes
14:51 < rxr> good
14:51 < rxr> can you login as "live" no passwd and visit the /var/log/X*.log what is wrong?
14:52 < rxr> and / or review or send me the /etc/X11/xorg.conf generated ?
14:52 < tilix> I`m testing it on the same PC I`m using. Probably later it would be possible.
14:52 < rxr> would be nice
14:53 < tilix> Any way to specify the X server module and the refresh rate in grub?
14:55 < rxr> not yet - I'll add this soon
14:57 < tilix> tried to reconfigure xorg with xorgconfig but happened the same
14:59 < tilix> I also cound`t copy any files to the HDD, because /mnt was read-only
15:06 < jeru> rxr: can we enable kernel highmem support by default on T2 ?
15:09 < rxr> tilix: you should be able to mount to /mnt anyway - or just mount it to /home/ whatever it is writeable ,-)
15:10 < rxr> jeru: I think it has a performance penalty, hasn't it
15:10 < rxr> shouldn't the few users just recompile their kernel ... ? Or are the so many ...
15:11 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/59498
15:11 < jeru> rxr:  anyway I can live with the current state because I'll mostly recompile the kernel 
15:11 < jeru> rxr: but what performance issues do mentioned ?
15:11 < jeru> do you
15:13 < rxr> I think himem handling will have a <1% performance penalti for us normal low-mem users ,-)
15:14 < jeru> rxr: ah! ok ... so you want to squeeze out everything out of you lowmem boxes ;)
15:14 < valentin> there was a himem option in M$ dos, too *g*
15:14 < valentin> enabling a few more kb above the 640 kb you could address with a hack in x86 real mode
15:15 < rxr> jeru: how many x86 with more than 4GB are there ?
15:17 < jeru> rxr: the problem isn't the 4GB border ... i.e. I've 2GB on my current test machine at work ... look at this ->
15:17 < jeru> root@dungeon:/t2# cat /proc/meminfo
15:17 < jeru> MemTotal:       904116 kB
15:19 < valentin> jeru: i want to have your "test machines" ....
15:19 < jeru> valentin: I'd like to have it too ;)
15:19 < jeru> at home of course
15:20 < jeru> so I've to enable highmem support to use the 2GB
15:22 < jeru> hmmm .... seems that this isec security crew from polland is quite active
15:22 < rxr> hm - "interesting"
15:22 < jeru> rxr: what ?
15:23 < rxr> that you need himem for 2GB ...
15:23 < jeru> rxr: I even have to enable it to activate my 1GB on my notebook ;)
15:24 < rxr> hm - this sounds strange
15:24 < jeru> rxr: yep
15:26 < jeru> # cat /proc/meminfo
15:26 < jeru> MemTotal:      1032296 kB
15:26 < jeru> ups ...
15:31 < jeru> but anyway, also without the lingering 1GB the machine is quite fast compiling :)
15:35 < CIA-10> rene * r8827 /trunk/package/www/firefox/firefox.desc: * updated firefox (1.0.3 -> 1.0.4)
15:39 < valentin> wasn't there an ifconfig option to list all devices ?
15:39 < rxr> -a
15:39 < rxr> http://news.google.de/news?hl=de&ned=de&q=t2&btnG=News-Suche
15:39 < valentin> there is no hint in man ifconfig
15:40 < rxr> ip link
15:40 < rxr> ^- better use that anyway
15:40 < rxr> ifconfig is quite underfeatured
15:40 < valentin> thx
15:41 < rxr> ifconfig should not be used in T2 interna - the iproute2 package is the "supporting all the details" package
15:41 < valentin> what should i match ? some modules create devices like wlan*
15:45 < rxr> use iwconfig to find out which ones are w-lans ...
15:45 < valentin> that was not my question :)
15:46 < valentin> i wanted to know which devices to list and how to translate them into human compatible names 
15:46 < valentin> for example i would exclude lo*
15:46 < valentin> and maybe even sit* for the dau-version
15:47 < rxr> skip sit and lo for now
15:47 < rxr> display Modem (PPP) for ppp* and W-Lan for all that appears in iwconfig and Ethernet for the rest
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15:54 < valentin> ah - the link is no phish - but the mail has a virus attached
15:54 < valentin> very clever
15:54 < valentin> if i were a t-com customer i could have fallen for that
15:54 < valentin> only the mail header reveals that it came from some hacked win-box ...
15:55 < valentin> (/me got a mail from t-com with the monthly bill)
15:56 < rxr_> ouhm
15:56 < valentin> the mail looks very much like the stuff that telekom sends ...
15:56 < rxr_> thus fu*cking saturn people have place old, empty batteries in the box
15:56 < rxr_> unbelievable ...
15:56 < valentin> haha
15:58 < valentin> the mails look realy like the mails you get when you enabled this t-com feature http://www.t-com.de/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/PK/de_DE/-/EUR/PresentationPipeline-Start;sid=TwJl-ByNRlqmxl4OEIxvYD2F-xJ9QM6zIlbMnnPlbW5Vog==?Page=issite%3a%2f%2fPK%2fstorefront%2fhome%2fanschluss%2fthemen%2frechnungonline%2epage&itemLocator=REO&headerSelection=1
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16:05 < valentin> valentin@localhost:~$ unzip 2.zip
16:05 < valentin> Archive:  2.zip
16:05 < valentin> [2.zip] Rechnung2005.doc.exe password:
16:05 < valentin>   inflating: Rechnung2005.doc.exe
16:05 < valentin> hehe
16:05 < valentin> i reported to heise ...
16:08 < valentin> jeru: wanna try on your win boxes @work ? ,)
16:08 < jeru> valentin: what should I try ?
16:09 < valentin> just opening a telecom bill
16:09 < jeru> what happened ?
16:09 < valentin> read scrollback ...
16:12 < jeru> valentin: ah! I see ... but sorry  no time for screwing up this damn windoofs crap, busy configuring my test machine ;)
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16:14 < valentin> rxr: what about {wlan,eth}* device info ?
16:15 < rxr> I already answered, didn't it arrive on your side ?
16:16 < valentin> do you mean ip link ?
16:16 < rxr> 15:46 < valentin> for example i would exclude lo*
16:16 < rxr> 15:46 < valentin> and maybe even sit* for the dau-version
16:16 < rxr> 15:47 < rxr> skip sit and lo for now
16:16 < rxr> 15:47 < rxr> display Modem (PPP) for ppp* and W-Lan for all that appears in  iwconfig and Ethernet for the rest
16:17 < valentin> last line did not arrive here
16:17 < valentin> in the meantime i wrote
16:17 < valentin> 15:48 < valentin> how do i find out about vendor names except reading hundreds of proc files ?
16:17 < valentin> 15:53 < valentin> www.t-com.de <- is this real or a very good fake ?
16:17 < valentin> 15:53 < valentin> s/fake/phishing/ ?
16:17 < valentin> i thought it would be nice to display something like the product if users have two network cards
16:17 < rxr> ip 
16:17 < rxr> ignore last line
16:18 < valentin> hm ? my ip just outputs stuff like
16:18 < valentin> 1: eth0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop qlen 1000
16:18 < valentin>     link/ether 00:0a:95:eb:dd:0c brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
16:25 < rxr> valentin: keep coding - I take a look in a minute
16:25 < valentin> list of tty devices is /dev/tty* and /dev/usb/tty/* ?
16:25 < rxr> I wrote no
16:25 < rxr> I wrote ignore the ip line ..
16:25 < rxr> list:
16:25 < rxr>  /dev/tts/?
16:26 < rxr> I can tell you the usb ones in some minutes - when I plug my handy in ...
16:28 < valentin> rxr: there is /dev/usb/tts/[0-9]*
16:28 < valentin> according to your config
16:28 < valentin> i have a prob
16:29 < valentin> on kerstins athlon ip link does not list the ethernet card
16:29 < valentin> ouhm
16:29 < valentin> mom
16:29 < valentin> maybe there is no more card inside
16:29 < valentin> i take a look
16:30 < rxr> ip link lists the mall
16:30 < rxr> lspci can tell you ,-)
16:30 < rxr> ok then usb/tts/* ...
16:31 < valentin> stupid question : is there an easy way to read command line output into my programm without using ugly virtual console stuff ?
16:32 < valentin> ok, i can "> tempfile"
16:33 < rxr> create a pipe and connect it to stdout ...
16:33 < rxr> or do >tempfile for now
16:34 < valentin> ok - we should hack a std::istream deriviate for that some day
16:34 < valentin> btw: i think matching for link/ether is more robust than filtering after device names, what do you think ?
16:35 < rxr> yes ack
16:35 < rxr> link/ppp
16:35 < rxr> for PPP
16:37 < valentin> well, ppp is volatile - why should i need to scan for that ?
16:38 < rxr> yes, ok - you need not
16:38 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/pics/
16:51 < rxr> I find no direct way
16:51 < rxr> indirect to get the vendor name would be:
16:51 < rxr> /sys/class/net/eth*/device/...
16:52 < rxr> would then you would need to parse the USB, PCI and so on files there. ..
16:58 < rxr> # ethtool -i eth0
17:02 < rxr> valentin: ethtool -i eth1 | grep driver: - I find nothing better right now
17:04 < valentin> thanks rxr
17:06 < valentin> hm ethtool is not installed on kerstins box
17:06 < valentin> and on mine it gives an error for eth1
17:10 < valentin> who cares, lets hope power users with more than one ethernet card are not lame ...
17:21 < rxr> # ethtool -i eth1
17:21 < rxr> driver: via-rhine
17:21 < rxr> # ethtool -i eth0
17:21 < rxr> driver: 3c59x
17:26 < rxr> # ethtool -i eth0
17:26 < rxr> driver: pcnet32
17:32 < rxr> # ethtool -i eth0
17:32 < rxr> driver: sunhme
17:46 < jeru> rxr: btw, already tested the livecd rev. 4 on a HP/Compaq d330m/P2 workstation with a P4 2.8Ghz/512MB RAM/Nvidia GeForce4 MX440 but X won't start
17:46 < rxr> those damn mozilla bastads ...
17:46 < rxr> changed the naming of their f*cking file again
17:47 < rxr> this nvidia seems to be a common factor
17:47 < rxr> can you extract the xorg.conf and the /var/log/X*log for me ?
17:48 < CIA-10> jsaw * r8828 /trunk/scripts/Create-CkSumPatch: * allow for both patch -p0 and -p1
17:50 < jeru> rxr: I can try to attach my external HD to save the files
17:51 < rxr> or a floppy *g*
17:52 < CIA-10> rene * r8829 /trunk/package/www/mozilla/mozilla.desc: * updated mozilla (1.7.7 -> 1.7.8)
17:55 < CIA-10> jsaw * r8830 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/ (. hotfix.patch poppler.conf poppler.desc): * add poppler (0.3.0) (pdf library based on xpdf 3.0)
17:55 < jeru> rxr: have no floppy available in my laptop ;)
17:56 < jeru> rxr: already saved log and conf file anyway ;)
17:56 < jeru> will send you a tar
17:57 < CIA-10> jsaw * r8831 /trunk/package/gnome2/evince/ (. evince.desc): * add evince (0.3.0) (pdf viewer based on poppler)
17:58 < rxr> jeru: hehe - I try to avoid floopies here, too
18:01 < jeru> rxr: you should  have mail ... testing the next candidate ;)
18:07 < rxr> jeru: what is lspci | grep -i vga on that box ?
18:10 < rxr> NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] I guess ?
18:13 < rxr> jeru:  ?
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18:15 < jeru> rxr: mom
18:15 < mnemoc> moin
18:15 < jeru> moin mnemoc :)
18:16 < mnemoc> hi jeru 
18:18 < jeru> rxr: you've got mail to extend the homepage for working hardware ;)
18:20 < rxr> jeru: is the string I pasted above correct ?
18:20 < rxr> what is the output of this on the box that does not yet work:
18:20 < rxr> lspci | grep -i vga | cut -d ' ' -f 2- | cut -d : -f 2- 
18:20 < rxr> ?
18:20 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
18:21 < jeru> already checking ... 1 moment please 
18:25 < valentin> rxr: should i support utoptic setups like pppoe over wlan ?
18:25 < rxr> yes
18:25 < rxr> some people do this - including susan
18:26 < valentin> ok...
18:27 < jeru> rxr: string is matching + (rev a2) at the end
18:27 < rxr> jeru: did you used an USB CD-ROM on the working laptop ?
18:28 < jeru> rxr: no the built in 
18:28 < jeru> but there is old usb burner attached to it 
18:31 < valentin> i will create some lunch now
18:31 < valentin> bbl
18:31 < jeru> cu valentin 
18:33 < rxr> jeru: I have no idea how "ati" get's into your config on the box with the nvidia arc
18:33 < rxr> card even
18:34 < jeru> rxr: hmmm ???
18:35 < rxr> on your nvidia box where X does not come up, ati is the driver in the xorg.conf ..
18:35 < mnemoc> hi rxr, valentin 
18:36 < valentin> hi mnemoc 
18:36 < jeru> rxr: yeah ... I recogniced it ... and I was also wondering ...
18:36 < rxr> can you boot on that box again and run /tmp/xdetect manually and write the output here?
18:39 < valentin> rxr: what about following scenario: configure ppp over an (wireless) ethernet device and setup a local ip on the same device ?
18:40 < rxr> works fine
18:40 < rxr> as it does to setup a local IP for the normal ethernet NIC
18:40 < jeru> rxr: sorry already switched off ... and I've to move away quickly ... :/
18:40 < rxr> okok ,-)
18:41 < jeru> will test it early in the  morning and send you a mail 
18:41 < jeru> cu all later ... hopefully I get my new dsl modem ....
18:41 < valentin> rxr: course, but there will be two interface sections then
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18:42 < rxr> valentin: ?
18:42 < rxr> there will be:
18:42 < rxr> interface eth1
18:42 < valentin> that is some kind of problem, because the question arises where to put the wireless section
18:42 < rxr>     bla
18:42 < rxr>     blubs
18:42 < valentin> bbl
18:42 < rxr> interface pp0
18:42 < rxr>     pppoe eth1
18:42 < rxr> or so ..
18:42 < rxr> I see no problem
18:43 < mnemoc> why problem valentin ?
18:58 < _Ragnar__> moin
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19:09 < rxr> moin _Ragnar__ 
19:11 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar__ , sparc-kly 
19:26 < rxr> damn - I have the invoices and the template on the iBok that is due to repair ..
19:26 < rxr> damn ...
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19:28 < valentin> rxr: problem is followning
19:28 < valentin> user does
19:28 < valentin> new profile -> pppoe
19:29 < valentin> and selects wireless device
19:29 < mnemoc> .oO
19:29 < valentin> then there should be a tab for the wireless configuration (essid key etc)
19:29 < valentin> otherwise that config is incomplete
19:30 < valentin> otoh if the user uses both a ppp config and a "normal" lan config on the same wireless device you would have duplicate entries
19:30 < valentin> or you generaly leave away the wireless config for pppoe devices
19:31 < rxr> call me please
19:31 < valentin> and hope the user will be smart enough to setup another interface section for wireless
19:31 < rxr> or I do if you prefer
19:31 < valentin> rxr: .oO ...
19:31 < valentin> rxr: i call you
19:32 < valentin> or .. you call.
19:32 < rxr> ?
19:32 < valentin> just call me :)
19:33 < mnemoc> you can only offer known interfaces for ppp
19:33 < mnemoc> and ensure consistency
19:34 < mnemoc> but i don't think it's write to force pppoe to be a non default profile
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19:43 < tilix> rxr: did some more testing
19:43 < tilix> 1. arts complains for missing libgmodule-2.0
19:45 < tilix> 2. xdetect didn`t work for me. Edited by hand xorg.conf (with vesa driver there) - added nv and my refresh rate. startx started kde, but in some minutes everything started "to run around the monitor" - I guess something was trying to start xdetect again.
19:45 < tilix> because after some minutes it crashed with "no screen found"
19:46 < tilix> xdetect "sees" rivafb for an x.org driver. After second run, the driver is now ati
19:47 < tilix> 3. no sound - it loads the correct modules, but Kmix can`t find anything (maybe the missing lib from arts)
19:47 < tilix> that`s all for now
19:47 < mnemoc> rxr: when nvidia?
19:48 < tilix> mnemoc: it`s already in xdetect
19:48 < mnemoc> great! 
19:48 < _Ragnar__> mnemoc: what do I do with a patch that is no longer needed?
19:49 < tilix> but it doesnt work (at least for me)
19:49 < mnemoc> _Ragnar__: svn rm :)
19:49 < _Ragnar__> do I need to commit that, too?
19:49 < mnemoc> yep
19:50 < _Ragnar__> k
19:50 < CIA-10> ragnar * r8832 /branches/2.1/package/base/uclibc/patches/pine-uclibc.patch: * patch no longer needed
19:51 < mnemoc> .oO( when was pine updated? )o
19:52 < mnemoc> _Ragnar__: try to be more descriptive on messages. when you svn log you don't see the files afected
19:52 < mnemoc> _Ragnar__: something line removed uclibc/pine patch because it's no longer needed
19:52 < mnemoc> s/line/like/
19:52 < _Ragnar__> O_O
19:52 < _Ragnar__> okay
19:53 < mnemoc> a 'patch no longer needed' on changelog doesn't say much :)
19:53 < _Ragnar__> *lol* yea yea
19:53 < _Ragnar__> i got it
19:53 < tilix> http://tinyurl.com/dyojf
19:54 < tilix> k3b 0.12 beta 1
19:57 < _Ragnar__> but spamassassin coredumps in /usr/bin/perl O_O
19:57 < CIA-10> ragnar * r8833 /branches/2.1/package/base/uclibc/patches/mutt.conf: 
19:57 < CIA-10> * do not call mutt.conf from uclibc specific mutt.conf file
19:57 < CIA-10>  to prevent headercache patch from getting applied twice
19:57 < rxr> tilix: I already altered xdetect locally for better nv detect
19:57 < rxr> the missing libgs are known
19:57 < rxr> I fix this in the next r
19:58 < rxr> cu later
19:58  * rxr off to valentin
19:58 < _Ragnar__> cya ;)
19:58 < mnemoc> cu _Ragnar__ 
20:00 < _Ragnar__> I'm not leaving;)
20:00 < mnemoc> pff
20:00 < mnemoc> cu rxr :)
20:04 < CIA-10> ragnar * r8834 /branches/2.1/package/base/uclibc/patches/lsof-uclibc.patch: * fixed path in uclibc specific lsof patch (but this should better be done with sed)
20:09 < _Ragnar__> hmm how is a lib*.la generated?
20:10 < mnemoc> libtool
20:13 < _Ragnar__> hmm k
20:19 < tilix> bye
20:19 < mnemoc> bye tilix 
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20:22 < CIA-10> ragnar * r8835 /branches/2.1/package/base/uclibc/patches/popt-uclibc.patch: * popt needs -lintl for uclibc systems
20:48 < CIA-10> ragnar * r8836 /branches/2.1/package/base/uclibc/patches/bsd-games-uclibc.patch: * disabled some bsd-games features for uclibc systems due to lack of headers
22:16 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think about having a torrent for download our ISOs?
22:54 < valentin> re
22:54 < valentin> rxr: still not @home ?
22:55 < mnemoc>  * rxr off to valentin <--- 3 hours ago
22:55 < mnemoc> cellphone?
22:59 < valentin> mnemoc: rxr was here
22:59 < valentin> but he left about 1h ago
23:00 < valentin> maybe he drove directly to his gf
23:00 < mnemoc> blackhole
23:02 < _Ragnar__> re
23:07 < _Ragnar__> O_O
23:07 < mnemoc> uhm?
23:07 < _Ragnar__> does kdelibs fail for any of you with:
23:07 < _Ragnar__> /bin/sh ../admin/mkinstalldirs /opt/kde3/share/config/colors
23:07 < _Ragnar__> mkdir -p -- /opt/kde3/share/config/colors
23:07 < _Ragnar__> `/opt/kde3/share/config' exists but is not a directory
23:08 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html <--- kdelibs built on my ref
23:08 < _Ragnar__> O_O
23:09 < _Ragnar__> weird
23:12 < mnemoc> i vote for a wrongly created symlink
23:12 < _Ragnar__> probably yea
23:13 < mnemoc> ln -snf is a good habit
23:13 < _Ragnar__> ;)
23:16 < rxr> re
23:17 < rxr> valentin: I hat to wait 15min in tempelhof ...
23:17 < rxr> the rest was quite smooth ...
23:17 < rxr> just the never stopping railway tinkering ...
23:17 < _Ragnar__> *g*
23:18 < rxr> mnemoc: torrent would be nice - but I think I can not provide the tracker at the uni
23:18 < rxr> any non ftp/ssh/http port blocked
23:18 < rxr> I have to fill paper for any other port ...
23:18 < mnemoc> rxr: :(
23:18 < rxr> aside that I'm already suspected for having the no. 1 traffic generator there ...
23:19 < rxr> on good months it generates the traffic on one day, generated by all the other servers and such in the wohle uni ...
23:19 < _Ragnar__> rxr: tracker is http
23:19 < rxr> _Ragnar__: really? that would work out then ,-)
23:19 < _Ragnar__> O_O wow
23:19 < _Ragnar__> only for t2?
23:19 < rxr> yep
23:19 < rxr> rock previously - t2 now
23:19 < _Ragnar__> wow
23:20 < _Ragnar__> not bad;)
23:20 < rxr> ISOs are the traffic killer
23:20 < rxr> 447.07 GB this year
23:21 < _Ragnar__> yea putting those on bittorrent should help
23:21 < rxr> 2740.05 GB last year
23:21 < rxr> 1555.83 GB in 2003
23:21 < _Ragnar__> :)
23:22 < rxr> compared to other uni server only that is - some people consume a lot of traffic on the clients of course ...
23:22 < rxr> downloading their windows warez and whatever ...
23:24 < _Ragnar__> *hrhr*
23:24 < mnemoc> iirc there is a free services to share via torrent linux ISOs
23:27 < rxr> if it is http I can run it ...
23:27 < rxr> I think in some days I'
23:27 < rxr> got a lot further with my goal creating the ultimative linux distribution  ...
23:29 < _Ragnar__> :D
23:29 < valentin> hi rxr
23:30 < valentin> rxr: i had to wait 20 min yesterday
23:30 < rxr> poor valentin 
23:30 < rxr> I can feel with you now
23:31 < rxr> Bill Gates: Cellphone will Beat iPod
23:31 < valentin> if i had known this before, i would have traveled another route
23:37 < rxr>  Apple to KHTML Devs: use WebCore
23:37 < rxr> An Apple Developer reportedly recommended that KHTML developers use Apple's WebCore engine (that's based on KHTML).
23:37 < rxr> ???
23:38 < rxr> http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10572
23:39 < _Ragnar__> sure;p
23:40 < rxr> nice drugs they seem to hand out in corpentino
23:41 < rxr> http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/dashboard/hulagirl.html
23:41 < rxr> this dashboard crap is the most useless thing I saw in the last time ...
23:43 < _Ragnar__> *lol*
23:44 < rxr> it is _the_ new feature of 10.4 ...
23:44 < rxr> we need to clone it - it will make T2 _the_ leading OS then ...
23:44 < rxr> http://images.apple.com/home/2005/images/tigershippingdashboard20050429.jpg
23:44 < _Ragnar__> *rofl*
23:45 < rxr> ^- I admit one can put more useful stuff on it ...
23:45 < rxr> but even with this I think it stinks majorly ...
23:49 < CIA-10> rene * r8837 /trunk/package/archiver/7zip/ (7zip.conf 7zip.desc install.patch): * updated 7zip (4.14 -> 4.18)
23:50 < valentin> What's New in this Version
23:50 < valentin>  - Removed the default "Background" and "Dancer" menu headers to avoid confusion.
23:51 < valentin> ^- apples release announcements
23:52 < rxr> valentin: could you please remove all UI elements from T2? this could avoid a lot of confusion, too
23:52 < rxr> maybe label it version 4.0 then ,-)
23:53 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/pics/imgp0122.jpg
23:55 < mnemoc> that tux there looks bad
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23:57 < CIA-0> valentin * r8838 /scripts/Config: deleted Config script main menu to avoid user confusion
23:58 < valentin> damn
23:58 < mnemoc> o_O
23:58 < valentin> it should not have been all green :/
23:58 < mnemoc> your own CIA?
23:59 < CIA-0> valentin * r8839 well, just logged in as CIA-0 :)
23:59 -!- CIA-0 is now known as valentin2
23:59 < valentin2> hehe
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