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00:00 < rxr> he said the CONFIG_DEVFS_MOUNT_AT_BOOT s.th. option was missing in his .config or so
00:00 < mnemoc> but init.d/system mounts it iirc
00:01 < rxr> ah - yes but do you use sysvinit in mnemosyne ?
00:01 < rxr> even the initscript moutned it - but I remove that code from trunk
00:01 < rxr> yesterday
00:01 < rxr> but he is at stable - so he said
00:02 < mnemoc> rxr: runit calls init.d/system :)
00:02 < rxr> ah
00:07 < rxr> mnemoc: this is for you:
00:07 < rxr> but untested
00:08 < rxr> ok - a bit tested now
00:08 < rxr> damn it - where is CIA ?
00:08 < rxr> mnemoc: I relocated the Documentation stuff
00:08 < rxr> as long planed
00:08 < rxr> no idea why CIA is lagging again
00:08 < rxr> I just tested a few bits
00:09 < rxr> if there is a typo it is of course trivial to fix ,-)
00:09 < rxr> I think we do not need to ship the CHANGELOG files - we could delete them soon
00:09 < rxr> IMHO
00:09 < rxr> the PKG-BUILD-* are to be moved into the handbook and maintaned there
00:09 < mnemoc> delete history is ugly... but we can compress them
00:10 < rxr> well - ok - then they better stay this way ,-) 
00:10 < mnemoc> ok :)
00:10 < rxr> less changes - less database grow ,-)
00:10 < mnemoc> hehe
00:10 < rxr> and the svn changesets are compressed in the database anyway
00:10 < mnemoc> good
00:11 < mnemoc> i'll test your relocation with a bootdisk i need to build
00:11 < mnemoc> aaargg... scilab needs NOPARALLEL
00:11 < rxr> mnemoc: regarding the bootdisk does not get the kernel to be injected
00:11 < rxr> I think we should grep the flist for the name, ok?
00:11 < rxr> I can implement that some time soon
00:12 < mnemoc> rxr: i think we should populate TOOLCHAIN/bootdisk during build, and copy kernel on pkg=linux26
00:12 < rxr> hm - that is also an idea
00:12 < rxr> hm
00:12 < rxr> wait
00:12 < rxr> we need it for the isolinux or simillar config anyway ...
00:13 < mnemoc> sure
00:13 < rxr> but with successive update builds there might be multiple
00:13 < mnemoc> but we can 'record' it
00:13 < mnemoc> greping can be a problem on rebuilds
00:14 < rxr> there are Documentations left
00:14 < rxr> I clean up
00:14 < rxr> second
00:15 < mnemoc> how does unionfs perform?
00:15 < rxr> good
00:15 < rxr> no problem
00:15 < rxr> or do you mean benchmark data?
00:15 < rxr> from the user point of view all is well
00:15 < mnemoc> does it consume cpu?
00:16 < mnemoc> i mean, would you feel it using unionfs on your pda?
00:17 < rxr> config.func is missed on the Create-CopyPatch
00:17 < mnemoc> uhm?
00:17 < rxr> I doubt except that my PDA has too less RAM ...
00:17 < rxr> but from the Linux Magazine article says it has quite low performance penalty
00:18 < rxr> depending on how many branches you overlay ...
00:19 < mnemoc> do you trust linuxmagazine? you know... some people who writes there... 
00:19  * mnemoc hides
00:19 < rxr> I meant the amerian / US one - I know noone there
00:20 < rxr> I think we should rename config.func
00:20 < rxr> it is senseless to adapt Create-CopyPatch for this one non-standard filename ...
00:20 < mnemoc> config.func.in? ;)
00:20 < rxr> I update ethereal and gimp right now ...
00:21 < mnemoc> gimp is updated
00:21 < rxr> is ?
00:21 < rxr> 2.2.7 ?
00:21 < rxr> conflict - damn it is ...
00:21 < mnemoc> Date: 2005-05-09 16:39:36 +0200 (Mon, 09 May 2005)
00:21 < mnemoc> New Revision: 8737
00:21 < mnemoc> Log: * updated gimp (2.2.6 -> 2.2.7)
00:21 < rxr> we need KGB
00:22 < mnemoc> yes
00:22 < mnemoc> but we need t2 first
00:22 < CIA-10> rene * r8780 /trunk/scripts/ (6 files): 
00:22 < CIA-10> * relocated hopefully all of the remaining Documentation/Devel*
00:22 < CIA-10>  occurances
00:22 < rxr> oh - CIA is just lagging ,-)
00:23 < rxr> ah - no he missed one ,-)
00:23 < mnemoc> CIA is colapsed
00:23 < rxr> too much centalized information :-()
00:23 < CIA-10> rene * r8781 /trunk/package/network/ethereal/ethereal.desc: * updated ethereal (0.10.10 -> 0.10.11)
00:23 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
00:24 < rxr> ok -  I try to sleep again
00:24 < rxr> n8 mnemoc 
00:24 < rxr> cu then ,-)
00:24 < mnemoc> shit.... i'm late to get my girls
00:24 < mnemoc> cu
00:25 < CIA-10> amery * r8782 /branches/2.1/package/scientific/scilab/scilab.desc: * flagged scilab as NOPARALLEL
00:49 < valentin> short re
00:52 < valentin> i allways miss rxr :(
01:27 < valentin> helicopter !
01:48 < valentin> cu
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02:43 < mnemoc> rehi
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02:45 < ojh> Hi.
02:46 < mnemoc> hi ojh 
02:46 < ojh> I am interested in how the package 99-final works, is there any documentation on it?
02:47 < mnemoc> it simply work ;)
02:48 < mnemoc> whatever you choose on your target
02:48 < ojh> mnemoc: So it just runs any executables in the package? Or does it have some sort of 'main'?
02:49 < mnemoc> custmain=ojh_final_main
02:49 < mnemoc> on target/pkg_99-final.conf
02:49 < ojh> mnemoc: IC  :)
02:50 < mnemoc> use $stagelevel to control when do you want to performe actions
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03:33 < keinek> hi
03:34 < mnemoc> hi keinek-chan
03:34 < keinek> hi mnemoc-sama
03:35 < mnemoc> :)
04:07 < ojh> mnemoc: Hey, I just downloaded the latest SVN of Trunk to my laptop running Beta 3 and I can't get anything from the SVN packages to build.
04:10 < mnemoc> uhm?
04:10 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg you mean?
04:10 < ojh> Is there anything special I need to do? I attempted to build lazyfs and it died at an error about not being able to find srctar file :-/
04:11 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg or Build-Target?
04:11 < ojh> Yes, I attempted an Emerge-Pkg
04:12 < ojh> I was hoping to add packages with out rebuilding everything.
04:12 < mnemoc> kernel extentions are a bit tricky
04:13 < mnemoc> if you will emerge you have to start copying the config used to build your running machine into config/default/
04:13 < mnemoc> the files are at /etc/ROCK-CONFIG
04:14 < ojh> THX :)
04:14 < ojh> I'll try that
04:14 < mnemoc> to install a kernel extension, you have to emerge the extension, and emerge linux26 after that
04:15 < mnemoc> but before emerging linux26 you have to be sure that the extension is 'X' on config/$config/packages
04:17 < ojh> Luckily lazyfs is a very simple kernel module.
04:18 < mnemoc> if its safe we can make it 'enabled by default'
04:21 < mnemoc> ojh: anyway, i suggest you to use our stable branch :)
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04:32 < madtux> hey folks
04:32 < ojh> mnemoc: What's the SVN URI for the Stable?
04:39 < ojh> mnemoc: OK, Figured it out :)
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04:55 < menomc> re
04:55 < madtux> welcome back...
04:55 < madtux> FINALLY
04:57 < menomc> madtux!
04:57 < menomc> great to see you around selinux-maintainer :D
04:57 < ojh> Well, I grabbed the Beta 4 tree, copied in the config from the installation, copied over the lazyfs description from Trunk and it built!
04:58 < madtux> :)
04:58 < menomc> ojh: tags/2.1.0-beta4 or branches/2.1 ?
04:59 < ojh> 'tags/2.1.0-beta4'
05:00 < menomc> ojh: beta4 is better than beta3, but the branch will be always more stable than any release ;)
05:00 < menomc> ojh: as opossite of trunk
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05:01 < menomc> ojh: remember that building the kernel extension will not build the module
05:01 < menomc> ojh: building the kernel will build all enabled modules and all active third-party modules
05:06 < CIA-10> amery * r8783 /branches/2.1/target/desktop/config.in: * merged r8650,8651,8657 from trunk: added k3b, portmap and cyrus_sasl2 to desktop target.
05:09 < ojh> menomc: So I need to reemerge linux26 for the module to build?
05:10 < menomc> ojh: yes, but be sure to have lasyfs enabled on config/$config/packages
05:11 < CIA-10> amery * r8784 /branches/2.1/target/mnemosyne/pkg_php.conf: * merged 8777 from trunk: changed mnemosyne/php to use AddHandler instead of AddType
05:11 < ojh> menomc: That line has an X so its enabled, right?
05:11 < menomc> ojh: yes
05:18 < ojh> menomc: The zeroinstall desc file does not specify a sf mirror to download from I had to edit the download URL.
05:18 < menomc> uhm?
05:18 < menomc> minute
05:19 < menomc> [D] 2889562837 zero-install-0.1.27.tar.gz.gpg http://dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/zero-install/
05:19 < menomc> that's ok
05:20 < menomc> look at misc/share/DownloadTranslations
05:21 < ojh> menomc: OK, What is DownladTranslators? I don't remember encountering that before.
05:21 < menomc> dl.sourceforge.net is sourceforge's load balancer
05:22 < menomc> but sometimes it fail, or some machines are colapsed
05:22 < menomc> so you can translate download locations massibly using the mirror you prefer
05:22 < ojh> menomc: IC
05:23 < menomc> but dl.sourceforge.net is valid anyway ;)
05:23 < ojh> Now I get to see how fast the laptop compiles the Kernel.
05:23 < menomc> ojh: don't forget to enalbe ccache!
05:23 < menomc> ojh: uhm... beta4... 
05:23 < menomc> ojh: ccache is not very effective on old versions 
05:24 < ojh> menomc: ?? Does that matter in a uni-processor system?
05:24 < menomc> ojh: of course :)
05:24 < menomc> my first build of linux26 takes 1:15h
05:24 < menomc> the second just 0:24
05:25 < menomc> on a uni-processor P4/1.8/512
05:25 < ojh> menomc: Can it be enabled in Configure?
05:25 < menomc> yes
05:25 < menomc> but until beta4 we used rock's per-build ccache
05:26 < menomc> which is highly slow
05:26 < ojh> NO!!!! The kernel build just aborted!
05:26 < menomc> a missing download i guess
05:27 < ojh> menomc: 'tar' gave an error?
05:27 < ojh> ?!?!
05:27 < menomc> o_O
05:27 < menomc> file not found? ;)
05:27 < menomc> on trunk and 2.1 Download downloads extenders also, not just the package itself
05:28 < ojh> !> Generic linux configuration ...
05:28 < ojh> !> tar: /usr/src/rock-src/2.1.0-beta4/download/mirror/s/squ ..
05:28 < ojh> !> tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
05:28 < ojh> !> tar: Child returned status 2
05:28 < ojh> !> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
05:28 < ojh> !> Due to previous errors, no 9-linux26.log file!
05:28 < menomc> less src.linux26*/ERROR-LOG
05:28 < menomc> but i _guess_ it's the lack of squ..asfs-*.tar.bz2
05:28 < ojh> menomc: On it already ;)
05:29 < ojh> Yup, download problem: 'tar: /usr/src/rock-src/2.1.0-beta4/download/mirror/s/squashfs2.1-r2.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory'
05:30 < menomc> beta4 is a beta... the branch will be rc1 after i solve two problems, get madtux feedback about selinux and we get the new website working (PR)
05:35 < CIA-10> amery * r8785 /branches/2.1/package/ (16 files in 2 dirs): * merged 8693 from trunk: moved base/kiss into shells
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05:37 < ojh> menomc: How do I force redetection of the mirror? If I, say, delete download/Mirror ?
05:38 < menomc> yep
05:39 < ojh> menomc: Now Emerge-Pkg will not work, all I get is 'Packages scheduled to build:'
05:40 < menomc> ojh: beta4 and before need to be called on verbose mode to get the answers
05:40 < menomc> ojh: -force may solve your problem
05:40 < menomc> ojh: becasue Emerge-Pkg thinks you have the package updated
05:40 < menomc> up to date i mean
05:41 < ojh> menomc: That worked :)
05:41 < menomc> ojh: use the branch ;)   many many many bug were fixed, and lot of improvements than
05:42 < menomc> ojh: aditionally some file locations were changed which can lead you to troubles when you update on future
05:44 < ojh> menomc: OK, But I do plan on updating by wiping the system out from time to time.
05:45 < menomc> use the branch
05:46 < ojh> menomc: I grabbed the missing file manually from t2.geeks.cl/, don't know why it would not download on its own.
05:46 < menomc> no change on branches/2.1 will hurt running machines
05:46 < ojh> menomc: OK :)
05:46 < menomc> src/Download-Errors
05:46 < menomc> was t2.geeks.cl to slow?
05:47 < ojh> menomc: Did not seem slow, but it was a very small file.
05:47 < CIA-10> amery * r8786 /branches/2.1/package/shells/dash/ (dash.conf dash.desc): * merged 8687,8697 from trunk: marked dash DIETLIBC compatible, fixed to install at /bin, and added a new [U]
05:51 < ojh> menomc: The file I needed was only 81 K.
05:51 < menomc> :)
05:51 < menomc> i guess my chilean mirror can affort that :)
05:52 < ojh> menomc: So not that great of a bandwidth test . . . 
05:52 < CIA-10> amery * r8787 /branches/2.1/package/base/dietlibc/ (3 files): * merged r8654,8655,8696 from trunk: changed dietlibc to always WANT_DYNAMIC (even sparc64), and tiny fixes related.
05:53 < ojh> menomc: OTOH, Chili -> USA is not as far as Chili -> Germany  ;)
05:53 < menomc> ojh: :D
05:54 < menomc> ojh: we need a mirror at US
05:55 < ojh> menomc: How much space?
05:56 < ojh> I have 4GB on xisystems.net.
05:57 < CIA-10> amery * r8788 /branches/2.1/package/base/flex/flex.desc: * merged 8683 from trunk: repriorized flex before binutils to have a safe flex when building 0-binutils
05:57 < menomc> it's a bit more than 6G
05:59 < ojh> menomc: Oh well . . .
06:01 < CIA-10> amery * r8789 /branches/2.1/scripts/functions: * merged 8684 from trunk: fixed --cache-file passing to use ./
06:03 < CIA-10> amery * r8790 /branches/2.1/package/x86/grub/ (cvs-01-03-2005.patch grub.cache grub.desc): * merged r8717 from trunk: updated grub (0.96 -> 0.97)
06:05 < ojh> If CIFS is enabled can I mount SMB servers directly?
06:05 < ojh> In the kernel modules I mean.
06:06 < menomc> ojh: iirc you need smbclient anyway
06:08 < ojh> As I understand smbclient can be used with out kernel support, like some sort of FTP type client. But you need kernel support to mount a share.
06:08 < menomc> smbclient doesn't need kernel module
06:09 < menomc> but, at least some time ago, the kernel module calls smbclient
06:09 < ojh> I guess its only needed for smbmount.
06:10 < menomc> let see :)
06:11 < ojh> I am following the output of the kernel build, tail -f. I saw that CIFS was enabled.
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06:37 < rxr> re
06:38 < menomc> moin rxr 
06:38 < rxr> moin mn
06:38 < menomc> :)
06:38 < rxr> menomc: Why _me_* ?
06:38 < rxr> moin menomc 
06:39  * menomc is a typo
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06:42 < mnemoc> but a hard-to-see typo
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06:52 < madtux> re
06:53 < mnemoc> hi
06:54 < madtux> hiho
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07:07 < rxr> re
07:07 < madtux> wb ren
07:11 < rxr> hi madtux 
07:11 < madtux> you can call me miguel :)
07:18 < rxr> sure - I'm just use to ue the nick ,-(
07:18 < rxr> miguel - how are you ?
07:18 < madtux> i am good, and you my friend?
07:19 < rxr> oh - overworked and sleep lacking as usual - but otherwise mostly fine ,-)
07:20 < madtux> good to hear :)
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08:28 < CIA-10> miguelb * r8791 /trunk/package/x86/lilo/lilo.desc: * updated lilo (22.6.1 -> 22.7)
08:29 < CIA-10> miguelb * r8792 /trunk/package/x86/memtest86/memtest86.desc: * updated memtest86 (1.51 -> 1.55)
08:30 < CIA-10> miguelb * r8793 /trunk/package/x86/spicctrl/spicctrl.desc: * updated spicctrl (1.7 -> 1.8)
08:40 < rxr> oh
08:40 < rxr> someone @work ,-(
08:40 < rxr> ) even
08:42 < madtux> ack
08:47 < madtux> rxr still around?
08:48 < rxr> yes
08:49 < madtux> why do we have a referende to misc/share/PKG-DESC-FORMAT on Build-Pkg when its not anywhere on the trunk anymore?
08:49 < madtux> whats your plan?
08:50 < madtux> rxr whats the cmd line to check out the 2.1 branch?
08:50 < madtux> can i still make commits on it?
08:50 < madtux> ie updates and so
08:50 < madtux> tested obviously
08:52 < rxr> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/branches/2.1
08:52 < rxr> you can commit into it - but please coordinate with alejandro
08:52 < rxr> of course only well tested non intrusive changes and such ...
08:53 < madtux> ok
08:53 < rxr> all that goes into 2.1 should hit trunk before ...
08:53 < madtux> what about the PKG-DESC-FORMAT ?
08:53 < rxr> should be there ...
08:53 < rxr> t2-trunk# l misc/share/PKG-DESC-FORMAT
08:54 < madtux> i do not have it...
08:54 < rxr> I just relocated Documentation/Developer* to misc/share last night ...
08:54 < madtux> and i have just checkout
08:54 < rxr> # svn log misc/share/PKG-DESC-FORMAT 
08:54 < rxr> svn: REPORT request failed on '/t2/!svn/bc/8714/trunk/misc/share/PKG-DESC-FORMAT'
08:54 < rxr> svn: '/t2/!svn/bc/8714/trunk/misc/share/PKG-DESC-FORMAT' path not found
08:54 < rxr> you are right - let me check
08:54 < madtux> :)
08:55 < rxr> .oO
08:55 < rxr> committing - sorry
08:55 < madtux> no need to apologize..
08:55 < madtux> i'm happy to be usefull
08:55 < rxr> oh - I have - that was lame ...
08:55 < rxr> better not do such changes in the middle of the night when you get up due to not falling asleep ,-)
08:55 < madtux> hehehe
08:56 < CIA-10> rene * r8794 /trunk/misc/share/ (5 files): * added forgotten to commit files into misc/share - damn
08:56 < madtux> u will from me again if it happens again
08:57 < madtux> u will hear*
08:57 < madtux> talking about falling asleep :)
08:57 < rxr> hehe ,-)
08:58 < madtux> its ok... i'm just at my critical sleep time... 15 more minutes and i will be fine
08:58 < madtux> i'm inspired
09:00 < rxr> ok - I think I'll bring in my iBook for repair in an hour ...
09:00 < rxr> the case starts to get "risse"
09:01 < rxr> cracks ,-)
09:01 < rxr> or better :-(((
09:11 < rxr> re
09:11 < rxr> from within the live cd ,/(
09:11 < rxr> oh 
09:11 < rxr> :-) even
09:11 < madtux> :)
09:15 < rxr> have you tried it yet?
09:16 < madtux> no...
09:16 < madtux> but i will
09:16 < madtux> :)
09:16 < madtux> i have quite a few things to for and with t2
09:16 < madtux> to do..
09:17 < rxr> yeah I think T2 is really going on quite well
09:18 < madtux> i think so too
09:19 < CIA-10> rene * r8795 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/rocknet.sh: * fixed rocknet to display an error message if no config file exists
09:19 < rxr> ^- commit from within the live cd ,-))
09:19 < madtux> cool
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10:02 < madtux> ok i will try to get a little bit of sleep
10:02 < rxr> cu madtux 
10:02 < madtux> cya later
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10:10 < jeru> moin
10:11 < rxr> moin jeru 
10:11 < jeru> moin rxr :)
10:35 < rxr> udev annoys me
10:35 < rxr> again wasting a lot of time on this damn software ...
10:38 < jeru> .oO (hmmm ... I remember, there was an article in the Linux Magazin, which promoted this damn udev thingy ;)o
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10:39 < CIA-10> chris * r8796 /trunk/package/perl/perl-gd/ (. perl-gd.desc): * added perl-gd (2.23)
10:40 < valentin> moin
10:40 < jeru> rxr: what's the problem with udev ?
10:40 < jeru> moin valentin 
10:50 < rxr> not matching my rules
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10:53 < CIA-10> chris * r8797 /trunk/package/perl/perl-gd-text/ (. perl-gd-text.desc): * added perl-gd-text (0.86)
10:55 < rxr> and now I hit apple
10:55 < rxr> those bastard ...
10:55 < rxr> a f*cking security update made my system not produce binaries anymore ...
10:55 < rxr> no Carbon_Sound.h or so anymore ...
10:55 < rxr> are they kiding ....
10:55 < valentin> huh ?
10:56 < rxr> I do not even want to use that header ...
10:56 < valentin> exclude it
10:56 < rxr> it is included somewhere in the system internal framework crap ...
10:56 < rxr> of course we nowhere include this sound thing in our scanner driver
10:56 < jeru> oh! :/
10:56 < rxr> hi valentin 
10:56 < rxr> TWAIN.framework .... CarbonSound/CarbonSound.h
10:57 < rxr> I colaps ...
10:57 < rxr> why THE H*LL DOES EVERYTHING SUCK SO MUCH ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH
10:58 < valentin> create a fake CarbonSound.h
10:58 < rxr> due to Carbon.h including CarbonSound.h ...
10:59 < rxr> DO THOSE ANNOYING COMMERCIAL WANNABES KNOW WHAT THEY DO?!?!?!
11:00 < rxr> sudo vi on that file helped ...
11:00 < rxr> damn crap
11:00 < rxr> good that I hand the book over for repair today - so I'll not have to see that soon again ...
11:04 < valentin> why ?
11:04 < valentin> repair ?
11:05 < rxr> because I get too many fractures (risse) in the case
11:05 < valentin> .oO
11:10 < CIA-10> chris * r8798 /trunk/package/perl/perl-gd-graph/ (. perl-gd-graph.desc): * added perl-gd-graph (1.43)
11:21 < rxr> valentin: can you call me quickly ?
11:30 < valentin> mom
11:30 < valentin> ok
11:54 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0505/37972.html
11:55 < rxr> good to have some "contacts" - I hope it will also appear soon on distrowatch.com ,-)
11:55 < jeru> :)
11:55 < rxr> so - I think I go, getting my iBook into repair ...
11:57 < jeru> rxr: I'll start download ing the livecd now :)
11:58 < tilix> rxr: any change for a torrent for the liveCD? I`m getting terrible speeds at 5 kb per second
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11:59 < rxr> tilix: hm - not in the next minutes ... maybe in some days ...
11:59 < rxr> the server is connected with 100MBit to the internet ...
11:59 < rxr> and the institute with 155MBit or so to the net ... - too bad you get so bad rates ...
12:01 < tilix> i`ll give it a try
12:03 < tilix> and I get 528kB/s for most of the Bulgarian servers, but not outside :(
12:10 < tilix> it started. wow - 15kB/s
12:12 < rxr> hm
12:27 < rxr> cu
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12:55 < jsaw> rxr: die hotplug++ links auf golem sind mal wieder falsch
13:08 < valentin_> hi jsaw 
13:09 < jsaw> hi valentin_ 
13:10 < valentin_> i am valentin_ ??
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13:13 < valentin> wtf happened ? there was no reconnect
13:14 < jsaw> 12:48
13:14 < jsaw>  [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
13:14 < jsaw> (but same dsl port)
13:20 < valentin> yeah - of course
13:20 < valentin> strange
13:20 < valentin> i have to leave now, cu later
13:21 < jsaw> cu
13:25 < jeru|away> cu 
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13:25 < jeru> hi jsaw
13:25 < jsaw> hi jeru 
13:26 < jeru> how things are going ?
13:26 < jsaw> fine would be too much - but okay - _trying_ to get back into work currently :)
13:27 < jeru> jsaw: T2 work or your thesis ?
13:28 < jsaw> thesis has been delayed, but I have to finish two papers still
13:29 < jeru> then I guess it would be the best to finish all the thesis stuff before ;)
13:30 < jsaw> thesis is mostly finished... polishing and extending is still to be done (the two papers are part of the thesis, so if they are out it's way better)
13:32 < daja77> hm a finished thesis ...
13:32 < jsaw> hi daja77 
13:32 < daja77> hi jsaw 
13:33 < jsaw> long time no see
13:34 < daja77> indeed
13:34 < daja77> lt2004 iirc ;)
13:35 < jsaw> (well if you only count person to person, yes, actually I included irc also)
13:35 < daja77> :)
13:36 < jsaw> gotta go to the talk of a speaker invited by the dept. ... cu a bit later
13:37 < daja77> cu
13:38 < jeru> cu jsaw and hi daja77 
13:39 < jeru> daja77: hope you're looking better than on the party picture today ;)
13:39 < daja77> sure ;)
13:39 < jeru> hehe :)
13:39 < daja77> i mostly do ;)
13:42  * jeru is burning the livecd now ... let's see what rxr has done there :)
13:42 < daja77> url?
13:43 < jeru> daja77: http://www.golem.de/0505/37972.html "follow the line" ;)
13:43 < jeru> I mean follow the light ...
14:00 < jeru> daja77: the livecd booted quite nicely on an old HP Vectra P2 workstation ... but it has problems with the connected TFT Display regarding the input signal
14:07 < jeru> hmmm ... but starting kde takes some time even on a 36x CDROM drive
14:08 < tilix> jeru: this might happen because the files on the CD aren`t sorted.
14:08 < daja77> i don't want to startup kde ...
14:11 < jeru> tilix: ah ok 
14:27 < valentin> re
14:38 < jeru> hi valentin
14:39 < jeru> hmmm .... kde is still starting from the livecd ...
14:40 < jeru> since 15min. or so
14:41 < valentin> jeru: ??
14:41 < valentin> and there is still progress ?
14:42 < jeru> valentin: I'm testing the last release of the livecd 
14:42 < jeru> valentin: yep
14:42 < valentin> hm ... how fast does kde start form hard disc ?
14:42 < jeru> valentin: hardware: HP Vectra P2 800 with 512MB
14:42 < valentin> that is not tooo bad
14:42 < jeru> valentin: really ?
14:43 < valentin> rxr tested it on a way slower cpu with 96 MB ram
14:43 < valentin> i guess there is some other problem
14:43 < valentin> i think he had around 300 mhz or so
14:45 < jeru> valentin: the system bootup was quite fast, but starting kde is a bit slow ...
14:45 < mnemoc> moin
14:45 < jeru> moin mnemoc 
14:45 < valentin> moin mnemoc 
14:45 < mnemoc> moin jeru, valentin 
14:45 < valentin> jeru: will you meet us today ?
14:45 < jeru> valentin: yep :)
14:45 < mnemoc> devmeeting?
14:45 < jeru> valentin: what time ?
14:46 < valentin> dunno - @work in the moment ...
14:46 < valentin> maybe i'll be at rxr around 7pm or so....
14:46 < valentin> mnemoc: wanna join ?
14:46 < jeru> valentin: ah ok
14:47 < jeru> mnemoc: come over here ;)
14:47 < mnemoc> valentin: i would love to
14:47 < jeru> valentin: oh KDE crash handler appeared on the screen now
14:48 < mnemoc> http://snipurl.com/et1w <--- i love this kind of patents
14:48 < jeru> mnemoc: we've to start to develop a T2 teleporting system 
14:49 < mnemoc> jeru: an "earning money with T2" system would also work
14:50 < jeru> mnemoc: I guess this should be easier than to build a "teleporter"
14:50 < daja77> will T2 be at the LT2005?
14:52 < valentin> daja77: no, but feel free to represent us :)
14:53 < mnemoc> :D
14:56 < jeru> valentin: one thing what's a bit annoying on my livecd test machine is, that I have to press the "wake up" button on the TFT display all minute due to the wrong frequency of the video input signal 
15:00 < valentin> defect ddc ?
15:07  * jeru is trying to boot from the livecd on an Acer Tablett/Subnotebook now ...
15:11 < jeru> hmmm ... it can't detect the external firewire dvd drive while "Searching the live CD ..." 
15:19 < rxr> re
15:19 < rxr> jeru: oh
15:20 < rxr> firewire is handled by what? sbp2 ?
15:20 < rxr> I meant firewire CD ...
15:22 < jeru> rxr: sorry don't know yet
15:22 < jeru> but on the acer subnote I just get a kiss shell
15:26 < rxr> that acer is the box with IEEE1394 CD ?
15:26 < mnemoc> aaaaarg! i commited a change first on branch :\ dammit
15:26 < jeru> rxr: mounting /dev/cdrom* failed: No such file or directory
15:26 < jeru> rxr: yes
15:28 < rxr> I think I forgot to include sbp2 ...
15:28 < rxr> is it yours that you can bring with you later?
15:28 < keinek> morning
15:28 < keinek> :)
15:30 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
15:31 < jeru> rxr: it isn't my subnote. it's my 2nd machine at work, but I can put in my backpack when I leave for our meeting today ;)
15:31 < jeru> hi keinek
15:32 < jeru> rxr: valentin told me, that he will be at your place around 7pm ...
15:37 < tilix> rxr: have you enabled by default the eth1934 kernel module in the LiveCD?
15:38 < tilix> it was causing some problems with forcedeth in Knoppix, I don`t know it it will be the same in T2
15:42 < rxr> I think the module should be available - whether it will be loaded depends on the hardware
15:45 < tilix> another knoppix-related problem :) Btw, the LiveCD download is now at 32%,  and it almost stopped. Is the server overloaded or its from my provider?
15:46 < rxr> oh - slow here, tooo
15:46 < rxr> 16.76 GB today ..
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15:53 < mnemoc> jeru: done
15:55 < rxr_> hi mnemoc 
15:55 < rxr_> jsaw: is it your subnotebook? can you bring it with you for a tes ?
15:55 < rxr_> +t
16:02 < jeru> rxr_: yep ...
16:03 < jeru> rxr_: perhaps it has other interesting features for you too ... like a touchscreen ;)
16:04 < jeru> rxr_: btw, what is the root pw for the live cd ?
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16:12 < rxr_> none
16:12 < rxr_> use sudo .-)
16:13 < rxr_> even sudo passwd if you like a root login - or sudo bash ,-)
16:13 -!- You're now known as rxr
16:13 < jeru> .oO( I've discovered a new test machine at work ... P4 3GHz/2GB RAM) evil g :)
16:13 < jeru> rxr: ^on that machine X won't start ... getting a console ...
16:15 < jeru> rxr: but this one I can't place in my backpack ...
16:16 < rxr> login as live
16:16 < rxr> pasword is ""
16:16 < rxr> that is just enter ,-)
16:17 < rxr> jeru: can you dump a summarize what machines you tested and the behaviour you found ,-) ?
16:18 < jeru> rxr: oh! but not today ... because I've to move home soon ... you know critter want's to run a bit before leaving again ;)
16:18 < rxr> Gaim 1.3.0 
16:18 < rxr> jeru: o
16:18 < rxr> k
16:18 < rxr> jeru: do you have a digial camera ?
16:19 < rxr> jeru: how does your flat look like? do I need to cleanup or so for you ?
16:20 < jeru> rxr: atm I've no cam ... because I borrowed it to a friend 
16:20 < rxr> oh - too bad. Thanks anyway
16:20 < jeru> rxr: don't waste your time with cleaning up your flat ;)
16:20 < jeru> hehe :)
16:20 < rxr> I try to use the Apple iSight then to grab a few pictures for the magazine ... :-(
16:20 < rxr> mine got stolen at the 20th CCC or so ... :-(
16:21 < mnemoc> to much chaos
16:21 < jeru> rxr: but we can do some pictures later when I get my cam back 
16:21 < rxr> ok - fixed my initramfs creation - the next version will include the sbp2 driver
16:21 < jeru> rxr: :)
16:22 < rxr> so - I need to do udev vs. dbus vs. hal config now ...
16:28 < rxr> jeru: you have my address and where to leave the railway ?
16:29 < mnemoc> rxr: does patched gnome-volume-manager build with hal 0.5.1?
16:30 < rxr> no idea
16:30 < rxr> you do want me to test this now?
16:30 < mnemoc> nah
16:30 < rxr> good
16:31 < rxr> jeru: tilix: btw. I think the FS content should be quite well sorted - mksquashfs creates it itself ...
16:31 < rxr> however once all is working I can read the source and look if it does perform some smart layout
16:34 < jeru> rxr: can you provide me the coordinates ... how I can find your house ? railway station etc. please ;)
16:46 < mnemoc> svn merge -r 8778:877 ../t2-trunk/ <--- don't try this at home
16:46 < valentin> re
16:47 < rxr> mnemoc: including the revision typo ?
16:47 < mnemoc> yep
16:47 < mnemoc> hurts
16:47 < rxr> .oO
16:47 < rxr> .oO2(we need a udev++)
16:48 < mnemoc> on 2.3 ;)
16:50 < jeru> ok ... will move away now ... cu later
16:51 < jeru> rxr: I'll be there around 7pm too
16:51 < rxr> cu jeru 
16:51 < mnemoc> cu jeru 
16:51 < jeru> ok ... cu folks :)
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16:54 < rxr> oh - damn - now that the iBook is in repair I only have the SCSI cd-writer in the sparc
16:54 < rxr> damn 
16:54 < rxr> frgot that ...
16:57 < rxr> mnemoc: I guess when I propose the rename a group between 2.1 and 2.2. you hit me, right ?
16:58 < rxr> I assuming rename from sound to audio would even more intrisive, right ?
16:58 < mnemoc> do it
16:59  * mnemoc wonders about fixing those problems on postinstall
17:00 < valentin> my stupid suse @work crashed again during a normal grep -f -v
17:01 < mnemoc> o_O
17:04 < rxr> valentin: we have T2 to sell ...
17:04 < mnemoc> :)
17:05 < rxr> valentin: propose to immatriculate me over there and I'm 24h/d available supporting users. ..
17:05 < rxr> *gr*
17:05 < mnemoc> what happened with motorola thing?
17:05 < valentin> this is REPRODUCABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:05 < mnemoc> oh
17:05 < valentin> i simply execute this grep pattern over two specific files and wham - the mouse dissapears, the box freezes
17:05 < rxr> mnemoc: change sound -> audio? on trunk _and/or_ 2.1 ?
17:05 < valentin> what the f...
17:05 < mnemoc> rxr: trunk :)
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17:07 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly 
17:08 < sparc-kly> hi :D
17:08 < mnemoc> rxr: is r3 usable to strap a t2 build?
17:09 < rxr> nope it misses the headers and staic libs due to space reduction
17:09 < rxr> I need to review the package list carefully to get a CD sized image with headers and static libs ...
17:09 < rxr> wait for the final ;-)
17:09 < mnemoc> :)
17:18 < rxr> damn - it just did not work on the livecd (udev) due to an old version made it into it ...
17:18 < rxr> f*ck
17:18 < rxr> how to waste a lot of time ..
17:19 < rxr> oh - btw. have I mentioned that this Gravis Apple reseller need to "think" about whether my breaking case is included in their inssurance ... ?
17:19 < rxr> mnemoc: how many transformers did you got in the meantime? a second one ?
17:20 < mnemoc> no :|
17:21 < mnemoc> i should have send them my notebook for evaluation
17:21 < rxr> ouhm
17:26 < rxr> or we just keep sound ...
17:28 < rxr> mnemoc: do we want sound and video group be conditional ?
17:28 < rxr> or can they be present in server builds ... ?
17:29 < mnemoc> rxr: that will be solved when i implement tail
17:30 < rxr> what do you mean ?
17:31 < mnemoc> .tail fails specify which user they need
17:31 < mnemoc> so we can install only needed users and groups
17:31 < rxr> mnemoc: but for this stuff it makes no sense 
17:31 < rxr> do you want to add sound and video to hundrets or so of packages?
17:31 < rxr> and which should introduce them
17:31 < rxr> currently alsa adds sound - but that is nonsense ...
17:31 < rxr> and nothing adds video AFAICS
17:32 < mnemoc> so the group is not needed
17:32 < mnemoc> but this whole thing shall be discussed properly when the minute comes
17:33 < mnemoc> 2.2: udev/hotplug++ 2.3:foo-% ... ?
17:33 < rxr> mnemoc: I need a video group now ...
17:33 < rxr> and it is needed
17:33 < rxr> our 2.1 settings are just hell insecure ...
17:34 < mnemoc> on 2.2 then :)
17:34 < mnemoc> but we can't add more changes to 2.1
17:35 < mnemoc> about the "hundrets of packages" thing we can define package groups
17:35 < mnemoc> but i have to go now :(
17:35 < rxr> well - I inject both groups for all builds for now on 2.2
17:36 < mnemoc> sure
17:36 < rxr> if that is a prob. for s.o. someone can tweak that
17:36 < mnemoc> yep
17:36 < mnemoc> bbl
17:36 < rxr> cu
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17:40 < minto> hi all
17:40 < rxr> hey minto 
17:41 < minto> hi rxr, nice work! When I can sit more than 5 minutes in a chair I will have a look at the live cd.
17:41 < minto> rx: Would you like java better if it was open source?
17:41 < rxr> just relax a bit more ,-) it is not yet all that polished ...
17:41 < rxr> minto: only slightly ,-)
17:42 < minto> Apache has a proposal for it.
17:42 < rxr> hehe
17:42 < minto> more at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200505.mbox/%3cCA4BEB82-3D84-457D-9531-1477DD749919@apache.org%3e
17:44 < rxr> CIA-10: is again dead
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18:25 < rxr> valentin: around =?
18:26 < madtux> re
18:28 < rxr> hey madtux 
18:28 < madtux> hey ren
18:28 < madtux> i mean rxr
18:29 < rxr> hehe ,-) hi miguel!
18:33 < valentin> xr: ok
18:33 < rxr> ok ?
18:33 < valentin> rxr: i will leave in a few minutes
18:33 < rxr> valentin: I just wanted to ask when you aprox. will leave 
18:33 < rxr> ah
18:33 < rxr> ,-)
18:33 < valentin> about 15 minutes or so
18:34 < rxr> can you bring a pack of milk from the aldi a the S station ?
18:40 < valentin> yeah - i can bring sth to eat, too ...
18:42 < rxr> hm - you would not for me - but if you like ...
18:42 < rxr> I have tomatos some cheese some "rote beete" and a moshrooms ...
18:42 < rxr> and a bit bread
18:42 < rxr> not too much - time to get shopping - but today this damn iBook eat my time ...
18:42  * sparc-kly|G4 hate powerbook , :S very hot System .
18:42 < rxr> lol
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18:44 < valentin> cu
18:45 < rxr> cu
18:54 < _Ragnar__> moin
18:55 < minto> I am done for today, cu 
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18:58 < madtux> re
18:59 < rxr> wb
19:01 < madtux> danke
19:01 < madtux> mnemoc: are u still around?
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19:12 < oi01> hi all
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19:17 < madtux> rxr, are u aware of this:
19:17 < madtux> Downloading sun-jre-142:download/local/j/j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin ...
19:17 < madtux> The file j2re-1_4_2_08-linux-i586.bin can not be fetched automatically
19:17 < madtux> please visit: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html
19:17 < madtux> and download it manually into /home/mike or somewhere else using -alt-dir
19:17 < madtux> if so.... proposed solution?
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19:42 < rxr> madtux: that is the manual download implementation ...
19:42 < rxr> this is a feature ... ,-)
19:49 < mnemoc> madtux: pong
19:50 < mnemoc> madtux: click on that URL and download to $HOME
19:54 < mnemoc> madtux: your spicctrl update is broken
20:17 < mnemoc> rxr: can you review 8811 please?
20:21 < mnemoc> rxr: the patch looks ok, but the message is weird
20:29 < rxr> mnemoc: yes, we discussed it here in length
20:31 < mnemoc> ok
20:32 < mnemoc> can you give me an 'abstract' of the discussion? ;)
20:38 < mnemoc> i don't understand how has not-shared build building alll this years if the options doesn't exist
20:39 < mnemoc> and how libffi, zlib and qthreads only get build if you enable gcj
20:42 < madtux> mnemoc, .... i am looking into spicctrl thingy already thanks for reporting
20:42 < madtux> mnemoc, also... no need to update or modify any selinux stuff on 2.1 atm 
20:43 < mnemoc> madtux: everything ok? can you commit .cache files?
20:43 < madtux> implementation will go on on the dev tree
20:43 < madtux> i can later..
20:43 < mnemoc> madtux: does it work? should i remove them?
20:43 < madtux> selinux packages by themselves are not enough
20:43 < madtux> the implementation is not ready
20:44 < madtux> maybe u would like to either keep them disabled as they are on 2.1 or.. take them out for the release
20:44 < madtux> its up to you.
20:44 < mnemoc> madtux: what do _you_ suggest? svn rm?
20:45 < madtux> leave it as is... since the packages are diabled, this is not going to brake anything... and even if some crazy folk enabled them.... the selinux repo pacakges will not brake anything
20:45 < madtux> thats my point of view...
20:46 < mnemoc> madtux: rephrasing... if i enable all selinux stuff and build the target, does that build only need configuration or it need building extra stuff?
20:49 < mnemoc> madtux: if it only needs configuration, it stays on 2.1. as many other packages which are not magicly integrated
20:49 < madtux> do not enable it
20:49 < madtux> :)
20:49 < mnemoc> ok, i'll remove it
20:50 < mnemoc> we can't promote to support it if it doesn't work.... on stable branch
20:50 < madtux> i get your point Sir.
20:50 < mnemoc> sir?
20:51 < mnemoc> i have to go.... cu codetux
21:04 < valentin> hi
21:07 < rxr> mnemoc: --enabled-shared=yes does not work at all ... the configure expects a submodule after the = ...
21:07 < rxr> and that libffi is only build with libgcj is due to only libgcj needing it by default
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21:07 < rxr> we could patch the configure though ...
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22:52 < rxr> K3b 0.11.24 
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22:56 < sparc-kly|U5> hi
22:56 < sparc-kly|U5> :D
22:56 < rxr> hi
23:15 < madtux> hiho
23:16 < rxr> hi ho
23:19 < valentin> hi sparc-kly|U5 , madtux 
23:19 < madtux> yar
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