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00:00 < jeru> where was the download location for the the current T2 svg logo ?
00:02 < mnemoc> exactcode.de/rene
00:03 < jeru> thx
00:05 < jeru> exactcode.de/rene/t2-logo-2005.svg <- there is another nice one too ...
00:06 < mnemoc> there are three there
00:06 < mnemoc> i like the second
00:06 < jeru> 3rd
00:06 < jeru> hehe :)
00:06 < mnemoc> :)
00:06 < jeru> we should start a vote via popoll
00:07 < jeru> :)
00:08 < mnemoc> take one an set it there
00:08 < mnemoc> i don't care which
00:12 < mnemoc> do we have popoll there?
00:12 < jeru> hmmm I think
00:12 < jeru> mom
00:14 < jeru> mnemoc: have to restart plone 
00:15 < sepp> new logo idea from my friend luis http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/luis.png
00:15 < jeru> oh! click
00:15 < sepp> still wip but i like it
00:15 < jeru> ack
00:16 < mnemoc> there is a guy on colombia who offered a designer to do a logo, but he needs directions
00:17 < jeru> sepp: I'll place it there temporary ... to see ... and mnemoc doesn't care anyways :p
00:17 < mnemoc> sepp: do you think it may be usefull for you?
00:17 < mnemoc> i don't see luis.png :(
00:18 < mnemoc> what luis.png means?
00:18 < sepp> mnemoc: it is his name
00:18 < sepp> you see the png?
00:18 < mnemoc> now i do
00:19 < mnemoc> does the circules mean something to you?
00:19 < jeru> I've to resize it a bit, that it will fit
00:19 < sepp> no
00:19 < jeru> mnemoc: that's the scheme of a complex virus ;)
00:19 < sepp> it is only a game with t2
00:20 < mnemoc> :)
00:20 < sepp> i think it is a good idea
00:21 < sepp> if we do not agree - it is much a better logo
00:21 < mnemoc> luis.png?
00:21 < sepp> at least
00:21 < sepp> yes
00:22 < sepp> mnemoc: you dont like it?
00:22 < mnemoc> can you resize it?
00:22 < sepp> the orig is a svg
00:22 < mnemoc> firefox is not good scaling
00:23 < sepp> but firefox likes no svg's ...
00:23 < mnemoc> png :)
00:23 < mnemoc> export it with the size you think it should go on plone
00:24 < mnemoc> just to see defitions
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00:25 < sepp> moment
00:26 < jeru> reload
00:27 < jeru> hmmmm ... we'll need a dark blue header ... I guess
00:27 < mnemoc> track21' schema adapted :)
00:27 < jeru> :D
00:27 < jeru> PlonePopoll enabled
00:27 < sepp> jeru: this is no problem it is a svg - no problem to replace colours
00:28 < mnemoc> i don't see the logo
00:28 < sepp> mee too
00:28 < jeru> ???
00:28 < mnemoc> sepp: inkscape?
00:28 < sepp> ??? what ?
00:29 < mnemoc> what do you use for svg?
00:29 < jeru> but you should see it
00:29 < sepp> no nothing
00:29 < mnemoc> jeru: but i don't... 
00:29 < mnemoc> i even logout, but nothing
00:29 < sepp> ahh now it is there 
00:29 < sepp> :)
00:30 < jeru> sepp do you wanna have access ?
00:30 < mnemoc> when will you open registration?
00:30 < sepp> what i really want to have is a 23h sleep :(
00:31 < jeru> I can now if you want
00:31 < mnemoc> just 23hrs?
00:31 < sepp> jeru: access to what ?
00:31 < mnemoc> no logo :(
00:31 < sepp> i see it
00:31 < jeru> to the new site 
00:32 < mnemoc> i don't see it :(
00:32 < jeru> mnemoc: I see it with konq + firefox
00:32 < sepp> jeru: can we manage this tomorrow ?
00:32 < jeru> sepp: of course 
00:33  * mnemoc flushing cache
00:33 < sepp> i already swallowed up my 19" crt
00:33 < jeru> ohhh!
00:34 < mnemoc> now i see it
00:34 < jeru> damn mnemoc is penetrating the server .... :D
00:34 < mnemoc> background is not the same white than the background of the logo
00:34 < sepp> to replace the blue bg is no problem !
00:35 < sepp> only tell me if you like the general logo idea 
00:36 < mnemoc> not sure
00:36 < mnemoc> it's nice
00:36 < jeru> sepp: can we have a version with white bg + logo color changed to the dark blue color ?
00:36 < mnemoc> but.... i don't know
00:36 < jeru> mnemoc: we'll see ... ;)
00:36 < sepp> jeru: you want to have the svg, right?
00:37 < jeru> ok ! that would be great !
00:37 < jeru> :)
00:37 < sepp> ok
00:39 < jeru> I need some food .... errrr
00:40 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/luis.svg
00:43 < jeru> thx :)
00:44 < sepp> if you like the logo you can get a 3d version later
00:44 < sepp> but i would like to know if you like the logo idea
00:44 < jeru> sepp: we've to invent a nice story for it ... to explain it ;=)
00:45 < sepp> why there is a very obvious 2 game
00:45 < sepp> 2 arms 2 holes one big T
00:46 < sepp> or can you tell me a obvious idea behind the really nice debian logo ,)
00:48 < mnemoc> :)
00:50 < sepp> it is a logo
00:50 < sepp> if you dont like it - np tell me ...
00:51 < jeru> reload please :)
00:51 < jeru> looks quite nice :)
00:52 < mnemoc> it's nice
00:52 < mnemoc> but i have to get used to iy
00:52 < mnemoc> it
00:52 < sepp> hehe if you can scale it :)
00:52 < jeru> we've to shift a bit left
00:53 < jeru> sepp: ack ....I'll make it bit smaller 
00:55 < mnemoc> jeru: are you with firefox 1.03?
00:55 < sepp> aspect ratio was a bit wrong in the svg
00:57 < jeru> mnemoc: nope
00:57 < jeru> have to rebuild a new one
00:59 < sepp> i have 1.0.3
01:00 < jeru> now it's smaller ...
01:00 < mnemoc> i have troubles with the cache and your png
01:01 < mnemoc> it looks better without the box
01:01 < jeru> mnemoc: ack
01:02 < mnemoc> now i like it :)
01:03 < jeru> hehe :D
01:04 < sepp> maybe a "t2 project" right of the head would be nice
01:09 < mnemoc> SDE?
01:11 < sepp> SDE could be incorporated into the "mouth"
01:11 < sepp> like the 2
01:13 < sepp> i really need to sleep - good night all
01:13 < valentin> gn8
01:14 < jeru> sepp: thank you for your and luis work ... sleep well :)
01:14 < valentin> i will be off now, to
01:14 < valentin> cu tomorow
01:15 < jeru> good night valentin
01:28 < mnemoc> 2.1 bug tracker has three bugs if someone is interested in fixing them... i have to go again :\
01:28 < jeru> cu ... mnemoc I'll go sleep soon ... 
01:29 < mnemoc> cu jeru 
01:52 < jeru> good night all :)
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03:43 < keinek_> some asleep?
03:43 < keinek_> at the of build boot and rescue
03:43 < keinek_> i see that:
03:43 < keinek_> Creating isolinux setup:
03:43 < keinek_> -> Extracting isolinux boot loader.
03:43 < keinek_> -> Copy images to isolinux directory.
03:43 < keinek_> -> Creating isolinux config file.
03:43 < keinek_> cp: cannot stat `boot/vmlinuz_2.6.11.7-dist': No such file or directory
03:43 < keinek_> bash-3.00#   
04:17 < mnemoc> ?
05:31 < keinek_> hi mnemoc 
05:31 < keinek_> at the end of the build of boot and rescue
05:31 < keinek_> i see this cp error
05:32 < keinek_> i dont care...
05:32 < keinek_> now is build the system.
05:32 < keinek_> :)
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05:33 < mnemoc> minute
05:34 < keinek> ok
05:34 < mnemoc> can you go into build/boot-*/TOOLCHAIN/boot and tell me what you see inside that?
05:43 < keinek> yes
05:44 < keinek> boot does not exits
05:45 < mnemoc> bootdisk?
05:45 < keinek> yes
05:45 < keinek> bash-3.00# ls
05:45 < keinek> 2nd_stage        2nd_stage_small.tar.gz  boot    initrd24.gz  isolinux
05:45 < keinek> 2nd_stage_small  2nd_stage.tar.gz        initrd  initrd26.gz  lib
05:46 < mnemoc> ls boot
05:46 < keinek> initrd-2.4.30-dist.img          lilo-help.txt
05:46 < keinek> initrd-2.6.11.7-skas3-dist.img  memtest86.bin
05:46 < keinek> kconfig_2.4.30-dist             System.map_2.4.30-dist
05:46 < keinek> kconfig_2.6.11.7-skas3-dist     System.map_2.6.11.7-skas3-dist
05:46 < keinek> lilo-conf-144                   vmlinuz_2.4.30-dist
05:46 < keinek> lilo-conf-1x2                   vmlinuz_2.6.11.7-skas3-dist
05:46 < keinek> lilo-conf-288
05:46 < mnemoc> -skas3
05:46 < keinek> ???
05:46 < mnemoc> yours is vmlinuz_2.6.11.7-skas3-dist
05:47 < mnemoc> and the scripts wanted boot/vmlinuz_2.6.11.7-dist
05:47 < keinek> yes
05:47 < keinek> and so?
05:47 < mnemoc> it's a bug
05:47 < keinek> change the scripts? or... change the file?
05:47 < mnemoc> change the scripts of the target
05:47 < keinek> the target is boot and rescue
05:48 < mnemoc> yep
05:48 < keinek> this is a bug?
05:48 < mnemoc> yep
05:48 < mnemoc> and if www2.t2-project.org revives i add it to our bugtracker
05:51 < keinek> so the error is in /t2-stable/target/bootdisk/x86/build.sh
05:51 < keinek> but the line said
05:51 < keinek> cp boot/vmlinuz_$kernelver isolinux/vmlinuz${kernel/linux}
05:52 < keinek> why i found that fatal errors?
05:53 < mnemoc> i don't use uml :)
05:53 < keinek> uml?
05:54 < mnemoc> skas3 is uml (user mode linux) support
05:55 < keinek> you use expert?
05:55 < keinek> o something like that?
05:55 < mnemoc> but thinking about, bootdisk doesn't need uml support
05:55 < mnemoc> expert?
05:57 < keinek> i use default
05:57 < mnemoc> bootdisk is planned to build 'default'
05:57 < keinek> is not my fault
05:57 < mnemoc> i haven built a bootdisk in some months
05:57 < keinek> i only optimize for Athlon Xp
05:57 < mnemoc> nope, is our fault
05:58 < keinek> my target working good :)
05:58 < mnemoc> great
05:59 < keinek> but when finish, i will need the boot
05:59 < keinek> :)
06:02 < mnemoc> https://www2.t2-project.org/support/track21/4
06:02 < keinek> look
06:02 < keinek> http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/12/48/
06:03 < keinek> hack  COKE MACHINE:
06:03 < keinek> :)
06:08 < keinek> the web is dead
06:26 < mnemoc> ?
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08:31 < CIA-9> jsaw * r8497 /trunk/package/compat/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
08:31 < CIA-9> * libstdc++ compat package (v3)
08:31 < CIA-9>  -- fast hack alert --
08:31 < CIA-9>  (somebody please cleanup, should work similiar with
08:31 < CIA-9>  libstdc++-v2 from gcc-2.95.3)
08:34 < jsaw_> P.S.: acrobat likes it --^
09:22 < rxr> re
09:23 < rxr> hi jsaw_ !!
10:13 < valentin> moin
10:16 < rxr> moin valentin 
10:16 < rxr> my embedded STL  is now able to copile and run string2.cpp ,-)
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10:19 < valentin> moin rxr, jeru 
10:19 < jeru> moin
10:20 < rxr> hi jeru 
10:20 < valentin> jeru: the page gets better and better :)
10:21 < jeru> hehe :)
10:21 < valentin> as i said, i would replace the bitmaps for folders, printing wtc
10:21 < valentin> etc
10:22 < jeru> valentin: of course I'll eplace the ugly icons :)
10:32 < jeru> valentin: any ideas for an folder icon replacement ? 
10:35 < valentin> maybe not a folder at all ?
10:53 < rxr> ok - now string2 works 100% perfect on run-time ,-)
10:55 < sepp> moin *
10:55 < jeru> moin sepp 
10:58 < rxr> valentin: which means I have basic istream now ,)
10:58 < rxr> including fail state handing ...
10:58 < rxr> (basically)
10:58 < rxr>  61776 2005-04-24 11:00 string1
10:59 < rxr>  54408 2005-04-24 11:00 string2
11:08 < rxr> Os and properly stripped:
11:08 < rxr> 14104 2005-04-24 11:10 string1
11:09 < rxr> 11748 2005-04-24 11:10 string2
12:47 < rxr> re
12:47 < rxr> quite silent here, today
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13:29 < jeru> rxr: do we've single SVN Changelogs for stable and trunk ?
13:39 < rxr> no
13:39 < rxr> but I could generate them if someone is interested ... ,-)
13:40 < jeru> rxr: I#m interested in because I want to have an seperated Changelogs on the website ;)
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14:41 < jeru> rxr: how can I install a local svn server which provide a read only copy of the trees ?
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14:58 < rxr> jeru: let's talk about that later
15:12 < jeru> rxr: no problem
16:36 < rxr> ,-)
16:36 < rxr> wrong channel ...
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16:39 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005]
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16:41 < rxr_> re
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17:02 < CIA-9> rene * r8498 /trunk/package/x11/rxvt-unicode/ (rxvt-unicode.cache rxvt-unicode.desc): * updated rxvt-unicode (5.4 -> 5.5)
17:13 < rxr> valentin: how is your work going ?
17:53 < rxr> hm - altough I find no definitive resource, hash tables and regular expressions might be in the next STL ...
18:14 < rxr> http://www.acceleratedcpp.com/authors/koenig/c++std/revisions.pdf
18:16 < valentin> re
18:16 < valentin> rxr: i think my work cannot walk
18:16 < valentin> had to do some housework
18:17 < valentin> (imo my girl should do that ,)
18:17 < valentin> think this will be a long night ...
18:19 < valentin> rxr: that paper is 303 pages ...
18:20 < rxr> yes - and it only seems to cover C++98 defects
18:20 < rxr> http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/library_technical_report.html
18:21 < rxr> gcc 4.0 indeed implements half of those or so in a std::tr1 namespace ..
18:26 < rxr> valentin: I wiped a lot of stuff on my iBook (xorg checkout and such) and started building OOO on it today ..
18:28 < valentin> on your iBook ?
18:29 < rxr> yes on my most "powerfull" PPC box ...
18:30 < rxr> I'm working on my Athlon since some days anyway
18:30 < rxr> so a >100% loaded iBook is not a problem ...
18:33 < valentin> why no crosscompiling ? *g*
18:35 < rxr> yeah - haha
18:35 < rxr> I'll try when we can crossbuild X ...
18:35 < rxr> maybe qith T2 2.3 or so ..
18:39 < mnemoc> moin
18:40 < mnemoc> we shall not overfeature 2.2
18:41 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
18:41 < rxr> mnemoc: what is your 2.2 concern ?
18:41 < valentin> moin
18:42 < valentin> we do not even have 2.1 and mnemoc moans about 2.2 ...
18:43 < mnemoc> :)
18:44 < mnemoc> can we write a wishlist/roadmap just share clear directions?
18:45 < rxr> sure
18:46 < mnemoc> jeru: your server died about 30 minutes yesterday
18:46 < rxr> mnemoc: but you do not have to fear - I'd like to have quick "major" releases ...
18:46 < rxr> e.g. 2.2. mostly modular kernel and udev and the updates on the way plus cleanups and thats it ...
18:46 < mnemoc> sepp, jeru: new bullets/icons of www2 rules :)
18:46 < mnemoc> rxr: great
18:49 < rxr> you should know I favour release early release often ...
18:50 < jeru> mnemoc: server died ... when ?
18:51 < jeru> mnemoc: yeah ... I made some simple icons :)
18:51 < mnemoc> jeru: half hour before issue #4
18:52 < mnemoc> T^2 bullet needs some pixel work to get definition
18:55 < mnemoc> jeru: my desire is to keep 2.1 'checkout friendly', i mean every instant on the branch shall be stable
18:56 < mnemoc> jeru: so realeasing snapshots is ok, but i would prefer people keeping updated working copies
18:58 < jeru> mnemoc: ack
19:05 < mnemoc> jeru: i guess Document over I18NFolder is not compatible with I18NLayer, i think a hook added by that product is breaking natural i18n support
19:06 < jeru> mnemoc: ack! 
19:07 < jeru> mnemoc: please don't add a i18nlayer in i18nfolder
19:08 < mnemoc> jeru: can you disable i18nlayer product to test?
19:08 < jeru> mnemoc: yesterday I tried some hacksto get i18n support for the whole site ... but unfortunately it wasn't working
19:08 < jeru> mnemoc: I think we'll need i18nlayer
19:08 < jeru> but I can try anyways
19:10 < jeru> i18nlayer uninstalled
19:10 < jeru> the language selector is away now in i18nfolder
19:11 < jeru> at least partialy
19:13 < mnemoc> i can select languages naturaly, but i don't see how to edit other languages :\
19:13 < jeru> mnemoc: it works 
19:14 < mnemoc> :D
19:14 < jeru>   /download and switch over to "de"
19:15 < mnemoc> that's what i expected :D
19:15 < jeru> yippi :D
19:15 < valentin> how many languages do we want to maintain ?
19:15 < jeru> I just added the ones which are currently present in human form
19:16 < mnemoc> ack
19:16 < mnemoc> en,de,nl,sp
19:16 < jeru> mnemoc: but we can add new languages easy
19:16 < jeru> ack
19:17 < mnemoc> when we get a voluntier for another language we can add it
19:17 < jeru> hehe :)
19:17 < valentin> plone keeps translations in a sane state ? i.e same links on each page ?
19:17 < mnemoc> did you see the redirects i added on tree/2.1 ?
19:17 < valentin> or will there be different content for different languages ?
19:18 < mnemoc> valentin: that's why i voted for plone :D
19:18 < mnemoc> valentin: and if there is no translation, english is shown
19:18 < jeru> :D
19:19 < mnemoc> jeru: what abotu registration?
19:19 < jsaw_> hi
19:19 < mnemoc> jeru: i would like mail confirmation and mutant text to avoid automatized registration
19:19 < mnemoc> hi jsaw_ 
19:20 < jeru> hi jsaw_ 
19:20 < jeru> mutant text ?
19:20 < valentin> mnemoc: so if a alter an existing piece of content in english, will the corresponding parts in the other languages be invalidated ?
19:20 < mnemoc> the tipical image with a text only a person can read
19:20 < valentin> hi jsaw_ 
19:20 < jsaw_> hi mnemoc , jeru , valentin 
19:20 < mnemoc> valentin: i hope not
19:21 < jsaw_> mnemoc: have you seen the libstdc++-v3 addition?
19:21 < mnemoc> jsaw_: yes, is it tested? doesn't it share with gcc?
19:21 < jsaw_> mnemoc: no shares, only the libstdc++ lib is copied, everything else is left in place. 
19:22 < jsaw_> mnemoc: I verified it with acrobat... 
19:22 < jsaw_> acroread won't run with libstdc++.so.5
19:22 < jsaw_> without ...
19:22 < mnemoc> jsaw_: if you copy it, why doesn't it share?
19:22 < jsaw_> probably I got you wrong, what do you mean with share?
19:23 < mnemoc> two packages writing the same file
19:23 < jsaw_> oh, libstdc++.so.6 is gcc3.4
19:23 < jsaw_> libstdc++.so.5 is from gcc 3.3.5
19:23 < jsaw_> so, no shares
19:23 < mnemoc> :)
19:24 < jsaw_> and whoever has time can basically just copy and make a libstdc++-v2 package (the one with libstdc++-libc6...etc
19:24 < jsaw_> )
19:25 < valentin> mnemoc: but will the spanish translators be notified, if the english content changed ?
19:25 < jsaw_> btw, I temporarily made package/compat directory for this, maybe there's a better place for it..
19:26 < jeru> mnemoc: bad news i18n is just functioning on i18nfolder ... no docs ...
19:26 < mnemoc> valentin: ask webmaster^jeru
19:27 < mnemoc> jeru: ?
19:27 < jeru> mnemoc: as I said ... switching the lang is just functioning on i18nfolder :|
19:28 < mnemoc> jeru: but that's what we want isn't it?
19:29 < jeru> mnemoc: but I can't add i18n contents in the folders ... I guess
19:30 < jeru> mnemoc: just translating the folders makes no sense, or isn't it ?
19:30 < mnemoc> jeru: i understood i18nfolder as a folder that house i18n content
19:31 < jeru> mom ... will test it
19:31 < jsaw_> oh damn, acrobat tries to load ldap libraries from /lib or /usr/lib only....
19:32 < mnemoc> hardcoded paths?
19:32 < valentin> rxr: i habe a question 'bout the rocknet syntax
19:32 < jsaw_> mnemoc: seems like
19:33 < valentin> one option must be a line, so for example "ip \n 123.456.789.012" is not allowed ?
19:33 < valentin> that would be good..
19:33 < jsaw_> mnemoc: okay, after creating the links, the last module works also (PPKLite)
19:34 < mnemoc> valentin: one option one line
19:37 < mnemoc> valentin: rocknet is handled as bash function calls
19:39 < valentin> mnemoc: yep - i read some code
19:39 < rxr> re
19:39 < rxr> valentin: yes ?
19:40 < jsaw_> hi rxr
19:40 < rxr> valentin: yes the \n in a line is not allowed
19:40 < rxr> key value\n
19:40 < valentin> that is good
19:41 < rxr> mnemoc: valentin is writing a true GUI frontend right now ...
19:41 < jsaw_> oh
19:42 < valentin> my parser will read files line per line and the file is saved in the way it was read - including comments - only with profile modifications
19:42 < jsaw_> will there be a simple interface for generl config purposes also?
19:43 < valentin> jsaw_: basicaly i write a stupid joe user interface for internet only configuration
19:43 < jsaw_> ic
19:43 < valentin> but the parser can be re-used for more complex setups
19:43 < mnemoc> valentin: please don't change the file format so i can merge your UI someday into 2.1
19:44 < valentin> mnemoc: i do not change any format
19:44 < valentin> 19:43 < valentin> my parser will read files line per line and the file is saved in the way it was read - including
19:44 < mnemoc> :D
19:44 < valentin> this is quite easy, because the file is saved line-per line
19:46 < valentin> what would you expect, editing all interfaces under one profile or vice-versa ?
19:47 < mnemoc> interfaces per profile i guess
19:47 < valentin> and activating a profile will ifup all interfaces for that one ?
19:47 < rxr> mnemoc: I think we should not add such stuff to 2.1 ...
19:47 < rxr> it should live in 2.2 and or up ...
19:48 < mnemoc> rxr: if it gets stables and there is no incompatibility, why not port it in future?
19:48 < rxr> mnemoc: when you tested the ccache cache shrinking I committed some hours ago, it should go into 2.1 ...
19:48 < rxr> mnemoc: wasn't it you who wanted a not too much chaning trees and quick releases ...
19:48 < rxr> 2.2: udev, modular, live-cd partial gui frontend -> and release, no ?
19:49 < jsaw_> the gui would be a simple addition, wouldn't it?
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19:49 < mnemoc> rxr: do you plan to make 2.1 -> 2.2 update easy?
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19:49 < mnemoc> jsaw_: i think it this way also
19:50 < jsaw_> what is ccache shrinkage, btw?
19:54 < rxr> jsaw_: we have per package cache now
19:54 < rxr> since the caches grow exorbitantly, I added removing files that are not from the current build or this
19:54 < rxr> find -anewer .timestamp ...
19:54 < jsaw_> oh, nice
19:55 < rxr> /this/hits/
19:55 < rxr> the good think is, this per-package and per arch caches scale way better than the previous implementation - and overlive target builds ...
19:56 < rxr> jsaw_: I'll soon have enough embeddedSTL to rewrite hotplug++ in modern C++ ,-)
20:00 < mnemoc> jsaw_: and www2.t2-project.org :D
20:00 < jeru> mnemoc: linguaplone installed ... but have to restart zope
20:00 < rxr> https:// that is
20:01 < jeru> restart anyway ;)
20:01 < rxr> jeru: http:// soon ?
20:02 < mnemoc> jeru: what will happen to i18nfolders we have?
20:02 < jeru> I can switch it imediately but if someone wants to log in he has to manualy choose https because I haven't a squid in front of it
20:03 < jeru> mnemoc: http://plone.org/newsitems/linguaplone-0.7-released <- docu
20:03 < mnemoc> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2/handouts/LinguaPloneIntro.pdf
20:03 < jeru> mnemoc: don't know what will happen with i18nfolder
20:03 < mnemoc> let see
20:03 < jsaw_> rxr: wanna see embeddedSTL...well no in a few weeks...
20:03 < jeru> mnemoc: let's see if it will screw up our content ;)
20:04 < jsaw_> mnemoc: homepage looks great :)
20:04 < rxr> jeru: ok ok - I wait until you implemented http:// the way you like
20:04 < mnemoc> jsaw_: jeru and sepp are our webmasters.... i'm just QA pain :)
20:04 < jsaw_> gone... mv daughter /dev/bed ; kill -CONT /dev/writing
20:04 < jsaw_> cu
20:04 < mnemoc> cu
20:04 < jeru> cu 
20:05 < jeru> mnemoc: no way ... you have to work too ;)
20:05 < rxr> cu jsaw_ 
20:05 < mnemoc> jeru: :p
20:06 < jeru> mnemoc: :p
20:06 < jeru> mnemoc: lingua activated
20:06 < jeru> mnemoc: another folder
20:06 < jeru> arrrg
20:06 < mnemoc> .oO( translate into )o
20:07 < jeru> hehe
20:07 < jeru> mnemoc: but I think we've to migrate the damn i18nfolder 
20:08 < mnemoc> :\
20:08 < mnemoc> i'll close my browser and let you work in peace
20:10 < jeru> mnemoc: that's nice from you ... 
20:10 < mnemoc> :D
20:10 < mnemoc> is that doen on ZMI?
20:11 < mnemoc> uhm
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20:29 < rxr> ouhm
20:29 < rxr> the OOO build on my iBook is still running
20:29 < rxr> but in the afternoon it now alreaded consumed 800MB ...
20:30 < rxr> I need to rm -rf some more stuff ...
20:30 < rxr> only 90MB left on disk ...
20:31 < mnemoc> :(
20:32 < rxr> hm - maybe I rm -rf download - and redownload after OOO build ...
20:32 < rxr> or better scp from my buld athlon
20:32 < rxr> sounds like a plan ,-)
20:32 < mnemoc> i :)
20:32 < rxr> ok - rm -rf download/ gave 1.4GB ...
20:33 < rxr> maybe this is enough for a PowerPC OOO build ...
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20:47 < rxr> valentin: some stuff in the streams is quite hacky ...
20:47 < rxr> never tought about how "stange" this has to be implemented ...
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21:16 < mnemoc> CIA-9: ?
21:20 < rxr> mnemoc: can you notify me before you commit disabling ...
21:21 < mnemoc> but it was on branch
21:21 < mnemoc> ok
21:22 < mnemoc> i did it to let people continue the build because which those enabled build stops at 1-linux26
21:23 < mnemoc> rxr: comments about issue #4 on 2.1 bugtrack?
21:23 < rxr> nope - since I did not see it yet
21:24 < mnemoc> :)
21:24 < rxr> mnemoc: I fix ipw2100 slmodem, any other 3rd party module set that does not yet built ?
21:24 < mnemoc> read the bugtrack :)
21:25 < mnemoc> dbd-linux-fusion installs outside $xroot also
21:28 < rxr> Didn't I fixed that package ... ?
21:29 < rxr> can someone rename the 2.2 bug tacker as trunk =
21:29 < rxr> ?
21:29 < mnemoc> rxr: minute
21:29 < rxr> so we start a new version specific tracker when that particular branch get's forked off ?
21:30 < mnemoc> 8495 fixed it to _find_ the sources on make all, but not make install
21:31 < mnemoc> i choosed to have a different tracker becasue the things done on trunk are different that the things done on 2.1 bracnh
21:31 < mnemoc> fixes are done on trunk and merged to 2.1
21:31 < mnemoc> so 2.1 has 'merge request', etc....
21:32 < rxr> yes sure
21:32 < rxr> I just talk about the name of the 2.2 tracker
21:32 < rxr> it should be named trunk or so ...
21:33 < mnemoc> ack
21:33 < rxr> and 2.2 only opened when we fork 2.2 off ...
21:33 < mnemoc> ok
21:34 < jeru> mnemoc: will you change it ?
21:34 < valentin> rxr: what stuff ?
21:35 < rxr> valentin: ?
21:35 < rxr> mnemoc: how can I add comments to issues ?
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21:35 < mnemoc> rxr: a "follow up"
21:36 < rxr> how to do?
21:36  * rxr is blinded - please guide me ...
21:36 < mnemoc> are you loged in?
21:36 < jeru> rxr where are you ?
21:36 < rxr> ah Ic
21:38 < mnemoc> jeru: can we keep navigation bar inside trackers?
21:38 < jeru> yep
21:39 < rxr> ok - me grabbing a roll and the remainging fish to fill the stomarch - cu later
21:39 < mnemoc> jeru: without adding recient stuff and friends?
21:39 < rxr> .oO(good that the CMS stuff was flushed from my TODO ,-)
21:40 < jeru> rxr: you're welcome ;)
21:44 < valentin> T2 aims to be open for active maintainers. Currently seven people have write access to the T2 Subversion repository.
21:45 < valentin> seven ? we are more, aren't we ?
21:45 < rxr> 13 or so
21:45 < mnemoc> "more than a dozen" :)
21:45 < valentin> jeru: how do i get an account for editing ?
21:46 < jeru> valentin: I'll create one ... open subscription mode disabled for now
21:47 < mnemoc> i'll re-create tree/ folder, anyone adding content there?
21:47 < valentin> tree/ folder ?
21:48 < mnemoc> on CMS
21:48 < valentin> You are here: Home » Members » SiteMap
21:48 < valentin> when i click on sidemap in the top menu
21:52 < valentin> cool - i could upload my portait :)
21:53 < jeru> oh !
21:53 < jeru> :)
21:53 < jeru> valentin: but you're looking as black as me sor far ;)
21:54 < valentin> nobody must see my face ...
21:54 < valentin> now how can i edit / create content ?
21:54 < jeru> hehe ... if you ay ;)
21:54 < jeru> say
22:00 < valentin> jeru: how can i add items (except for my personal page) ?
22:00 < jeru> mom adding you to webmaster group
22:01 < valentin> wow - i advance :)
22:03 < jeru> valentin: but you should be able to add content anyways ... hmmm ...
22:03 < valentin> when i go on my personal page, i have edit tabs above the content
22:03 < jeru> valentin: retry ;)
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22:04 < valentin> ah - some more
22:05 < valentin> what item to choose - i want to create Documentation >> Quick Start
22:05 < jeru> valentin: Document ? perhaps :)
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22:05 < valentin> ok, so do not beat my up if i destroy it :)
22:06 < jeru> valentin: but try to use reStructuredText markup ;)
22:06 < jeru> http://docutils.sourceforge.net/rst.html
22:06 < jeru> mnemoc: do we have documentation policies ?
22:07 < valentin> rst, ok
22:08 < jeru> valentin: but be careful ... there is a bug! -> https://www2.t2-project.org/support/trackweb/5/pcng_issue_view
22:08 < valentin> oh ?
22:09 < valentin> ok, thx
22:09 < jeru> :)
22:10 < valentin> what is the difference between {,re}Structured Text ?
22:11 < jeru> valentin: structeredText is simpler ;)
22:11 < jeru> valentin: but with restructerd text you can generate also nice printable output
22:12 < valentin> how can i do multi-worded links ?
22:12 < valentin> so like link_ but with two words ?
22:13 < valentin> ah: multi word link_
22:13 < jeru> valentin: sorry haven't tried yet
22:13 < jeru> oh ... share your knowledge please ;)
22:14 < valentin> hm - nope no :
22:14 < jeru> we should add documentation for documentation stuff ;)
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22:15 < valentin> `bla bla bla`_
22:15 < jeru> valentin: thx 
22:15 < mnemoc> jeru: documentation for the website user
22:15 < jeru> mnemoc: yep
22:16 < ojh> Question: Has any one here had experience with Linux on a HP Pavilion laptop?
22:16 < mnemoc> jeru: tree/ is lingua folder now 
22:16 < valentin> jeru, mnemoc : how can i preview ?
22:16 < valentin> mark the page as private ?
22:17 < mnemoc> valentin: it seems only saving :\
22:17 < jeru> mnemoc: but I think about using our Documentation within the source to generate documentation for the website too
22:17 < rxr> ojh: sorry, not me ...
22:17 < jeru> ojh: same with me, sorry ... but what's the problem ?
22:19 < jeru> mnemoc: how do you used linguafolders ?
22:20 < mnemoc> jeru: i just create the folder
22:20 < jeru> and then ?
22:20 < mnemoc> as usual
22:20 < ojh> Just asking. A friend of mine is selling one and my preliminary research indicated that its reasonably compatible with Linux. The only sticking point is that the PCMCIA chip set is known to be buggy in Linux. Even the Radaon graphics should do full 3D with out any binary drivers.
22:20 < mnemoc> i haven't added translations yet
22:20 < jeru> hmmm ... then I did some mistakes ...
22:21 < jeru> should I try to add translation for /trees ?
22:21 < mnemoc> sure
22:21 < jeru> ojh: radeon is ok ... my laptop has a radeon 9200 
22:21 < ojh> I can live without PCMCIA so I think it will be a good back up computer for me.
22:22 < ojh> But I hope some update to the kernel will fix that one of these days.
22:22 < jeru> btw, should we translate "stable branch" etc. ?
22:22 < mnemoc> uhm
22:22 < mnemoc> problem
22:22 < jeru> what
22:23 < mnemoc> i get both on menu
22:23 < mnemoc> but the flags work
22:23 < jeru> mnemoc: I told you before 
22:24 < jeru> that it will not suiteable for menus 
22:24 < mnemoc> momment
22:25 < jeru> mnemoc: do you want to move the bugtracker into /tree*
22:25 < mnemoc> i like the redirects
22:26 < mnemoc> <@elvix> mnemoc: dont use the linguafolder
22:27 < jeru> ahhh ... no !
22:27 < jeru> what's the problem ?
22:28 < mnemoc> <@elvix> mnemoc: it is stated very clearly ( at least it should be ) that it is only for demonstration purposes, and not meant for real use
22:30 < rxr> .oO
22:30 < rxr> how I love CMSs ...
22:30 < mnemoc> :)
22:30 < jeru> rxr: you can laugh, I know 
22:30 < jeru> :)
22:30 < mnemoc> at least it looks nice :)
22:31 < jeru> mnemoc: normal folder are translateable
22:31 < mnemoc> i read it
22:31 < jeru> that's why I told you that linguafolders don't fit
22:31 < jeru> :)
22:32 < mnemoc> you did?
22:32 < jeru> yep
22:34 < ojh> rxr: Have you made any progress converting zeroinstall to the postlinux.conf based config files? Do you have a pointer to documentation on how the postlinux.conf file is used, so I can work on it?
22:34 < rxr> ojh: I just remebered and since I'm at it right now I'll do so now
22:35 < ojh> rxr: THX :-D
22:35 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll mail you my zoerinstall and lazyfs patches
22:36 < rxr> mnemoc: why?
22:36 < rxr> can't I grab from your site?
22:36 < rxr> mnemoc: the last revision is for you
22:36 < rxr> Committed revision 8505.
22:36 < rxr> please merge in 2.1
22:36 < mnemoc> rxr: momment
22:36 < rxr> as well as the ccache improvement
22:36 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
22:36 < rxr> if you consider it save
22:37 < mnemoc> i have the reference site out of sync since branching
22:37 < valentin> ramas de t2 ?
22:37 < mnemoc> valentin: a failed translation
22:37 < mnemoc> valentin: we have to use regular folders instead of 'linguafolder'
22:37 < jeru> mnemoc: migration now ?
22:37 < mnemoc> 'linguafolder' is not navigation friendly
22:37 < mnemoc> jeru: please :)
22:38 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - zerofs from where=
22:38 < rxr> I could just grab the mailing list patch and make it fit ...
22:38 < rxr> lazy that is
22:38 < mnemoc> rxr: minute
22:39 < ojh> rxr: On the Zero Install front I am working on a web based database that will make all Zero Install accessible programs using a nice searchable interface. Also working on a browser helper to launch ZI sites after verifying that they are trusted in the database.
22:39 < jeru> mnemoc: can I delete your failed translation ?
22:39 < rxr> mnemoc: nope
22:39 < rxr> I make filesystem/lazyfs work
22:40 < ojh> rxr: The goal is of course effortless access to application software for Linux. :)
22:40 < rxr> ic
22:41 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/lazyfs.patch http://t2.geeks.cl/zeroinstall.patch
22:41 < sepp_> jeru: my pt friend is willing to translate :)
22:41 < mnemoc> jeru: jeru yes
22:42 < jeru> sepp_: :)
22:42 < jeru> btw, where is mipe ???
22:42 < ojh> rxr: Also one main reason for the laptop is real life experience with ZI in an intermittently online system to see what tweaks can be done to ZI and ZI packages to make it usable on a laptop type system.
22:43 < sepp_> jeru: how should he register - to add the translations ?
22:45 < jeru> sepp_: provide a username please ;)
22:45 < sepp_> i will ask him
22:45 < jeru> sepp_: is that luis ?
22:46 < jeru> sepp_: take your time because we've to migrate the whole folder structure to enable the working i18n support 
22:46 < sepp_> ok
22:47 < sepp_> he is a t2 user so i guess the translation will be ok
22:47 < jeru> sepp_: hehe :)
22:48 < jeru> I can ask my cousin in sweden too ... if he can provide some translations 
22:48 < jeru> and french will be coming too
22:48 < sepp_> good 
22:49 < sepp_> t2 really needs some pr / translations ...
22:49 < ojh> rxr: THX a LOT! :-D. As soon as I can I'll compile a minimal + Zero Install ISO to be the foundation distro of my Zero install based system. Again thanks!!
22:50 < mnemoc> rxr: i don't have space to keep references from stable and trunk.... do you have space on your athlon for trunk's?
22:51 < rxr> ouhm
22:54 < rxr> ojh: lazyfs editing finsihed - test build starting
22:59 < mnemoc> jeru: don't forget to move my redirect scripts
22:59 < jeru> mnemoc: which one ?
23:00 < mnemoc> tree/2.1/*/index_html
23:00 < jeru> ah of course
23:05 < jeru> mnemoc: should i rename /download/21 -> /download/stable ?
23:06 < jeru> to be consistent with trunk
23:07 < mnemoc> 21 is _one_ stable
23:07 < mnemoc> is not _the_ stable
23:07 < mnemoc> i even prefer 2.1 over 21
23:07 < jeru> ok
23:09 < rxr>   China Announces Unix-compatible Server OS
23:10 < mnemoc> 100% made in china or based on something?
23:10 < rxr> am I in the project?
23:10 < rxr> on idea ...
23:10 < rxr> no even
23:11 < rxr> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10397
23:11 < mnemoc> i read the news, not i :)
23:11 < rxr> == 04/24/05 23:12:56 =[1]=> Finished building package linux26.
23:13 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not need to test the zeroinstall package?
23:13 < rxr> I should just apply it ?
23:14 < ojh> rxr: Once its installed make sure the daemon is running and then open up a URI in the Terminal, try /uri/0install/rox.sourceforge.net/apps/ROX-Filer/AppRun for starters.
23:15 < mnemoc> rxr: on trunk or 2.1?
23:15 < rxr> ojh: sorry I really have no time for that kind of testing ...
23:15 < rxr> (and do not want to oops my build athlon ...)
23:15 < mnemoc> rxr: commit it first on trunk, i only do merges :)
23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: I think it should not go into 2.1 ...
23:15 < mnemoc> i'll not be ahead of trunk
23:15 < ojh> OK.
23:17 < ojh> rxr: Point. Don't crash the main build server. :)
23:17 < mnemoc> rxr: do what ever you want on trunk ;)
23:18 < mnemoc> rxr: if ojh needs some package from trunk on 2.1 to do his project he can file a "Package request"
23:18 < rxr> ojh: and I can also not tets on the iBook, it is still building ooo and will be for most parts of tomorrow ...
23:19 < ojh> rxr: I'll (obviously) be doing extensive testing of the Zero Install package once I have my build done. :)
23:19 < rxr> CIA-9 is absent ...
23:20 < mnemoc> rxr: CIA-* are silent, people on #cia already knows but cia-master is away :\
23:21 < rxr> mnemoc: KGB soon ... ?
23:21 < sepp_> MFS
23:21 < mnemoc> rxr: i need to many more hours per day :\
23:23 < ojh> rxr: Building Zero Install on a non x86 build is a bit pointless at this point as everything in ZI servers is x86 at this point. (but support exists in ZI for automagicly fetching the correct files for your CPU architecture if they exist)
23:23 < rxr> maybe zeroinstall should be been designed on a bytecode meta format ?
23:24 < ojh> rxr: No reason why not. Many Java and Python programs are on ZI servers too.
23:25 < ojh> rxr: All ZI is is an incremental file system sync with the remote server.
23:27 < ojh> rxr: At some point this would be perfect for application distribution across all hardware types: http://llvm.cs.uiuc.edu/
23:29 < valentin> jeru: how did you get the code blocks here: https://www2.t2-project.org/download/2.1/
23:30 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, if you move a tracker you have to run a reindex for it
23:30 < jeru> valentin: mom
23:30 < mnemoc> valentin: click on edit tab
23:31 < valentin> mnemoc: i did
23:31 < valentin> but if i do text\n<space><space>text\n\ntext i get another result
23:32 < mnemoc> valentin: what 'text format' are you using?
23:32 < valentin> reStructured
23:32 < jeru> valentin: code blocks e.g. HTTP:: svn co ....
23:33 < mnemoc> jeru: can i have a box without the label?
23:33 < valentin> is the '::' mandatory ?
23:33 < jeru> valentin: yep
23:33 < mnemoc> reStructured sucks :(
23:34 < jeru> mnemoc: other proposals ? :(
23:34 < mnemoc> tikisyntax has the same power but it is far simpler
23:34 < mnemoc> there is no tikisyntax for plone afaik
23:34 < valentin> ah
23:34 < jeru> mnemoc: you can build you own content type with atcontenttypes
23:35 < rxr> 2linux-fusion/__________PLEASE_NOTE__THE_MAJOR_ID_CHANGED_TO_252__SEE_README_________
23:35 < jeru> what do we wanna use for Documentation anyway?
23:36 < mnemoc> rxr: sure, but that is not new
23:36 < rxr> this can not work out:
23:36 < rxr> dfb_fusion_main()
23:36 < rxr> { cp -v linux/include/linux/fusion.h $root/usr/include/linux
23:36 < rxr> ?!?!?
23:36 < rxr> who added this ..
23:36 < rxr> shared files welcome ..
23:36  * rxr fixing ...
23:37 < rxr> and why ...
23:37 < rxr> well - I do not ask ..
23:37 < rxr> rm -rf postlinux.conf ..
23:37 < jeru> valentin: are you working in /documentation already ?
23:37 < mnemoc> jeru: <optilude> mnemoc: get kupu :)
23:38 < mnemoc> jeru: <optilude> 2.1 is shipping with kupu as deafult
23:38 < jeru> valentin: please copy your docu in your home please ... have to migrate the folder
23:39 < rxr> OOO@iBook already 2GB in size
23:39 < valentin> jeru: moment
23:40 < rxr> only 945 MB free disk space reamining 
23:40 < rxr> and I think I already rm -rf'ed all I can spare ...
23:40 < rxr> except rm -rf /opt ...
23:40 < valentin> jeru: ok - go
23:40 < mnemoc> rxr: did you merge 8495 to trunk?
23:41 < jeru> valentin: thx
23:41 < valentin> the '::' works sometimes and sometimes it does not.
23:42 < valentin> and plone gets confused with my enumeration
23:43 < mnemoc> valentin: is embedded target ok for 2.1?
23:43 < valentin> rxr did that target
23:44 < mnemoc> rxr: is embedded target ok for 2.1?
23:44 < valentin> i think it works
23:44 < mnemoc> and dreamcast?
23:46 < rxr> embedded and psion are fine
23:47 < rxr> what do you consider rm'ing ?
23:47 < valentin> mnemoc: dreamcast crossbuilds, but there is no image created yet
23:47 < mnemoc> uboot
23:48 < valentin> it has to be ported to rxr's generic embedded thing
23:49 < mnemoc> if you port it, try to do it compatible, so i can merge it
23:49 < jeru> mnemoc: there is no index_html in your /tree stuff
23:50 < mnemoc> jeru: you can only see them on ZMI
23:50 < valentin> jeru: finished the copying ?
23:50 < mnemoc> jeru: they are scripts
23:51 < jeru> mnemoc: thx
23:51 < jeru> valentin: mom
23:53 < rxr> ok - final test biuld
23:53 < rxr> build
23:53 < rxr> dfb-linux-fusion and rivatv should be fixed then
23:53 < rxr> bg
23:54 < mnemoc> jeru: do we need Groups folder?
23:54 < mnemoc> rxr: what commit?
23:54 < jeru> I think you can remove it 
23:55 < mnemoc> jeru: are you migrating by hand??
23:56 < sepp_> good night all 
23:56 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp_ 
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