--- Log opened Wed Apr 13 00:00:04 2005 01:14 < keinek> Hey guys! 01:14 < keinek> http://www.t2-project.com.ar/ 01:14 < keinek> :) 01:14 < keinek> now i was translating the web :) 01:23 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFBC8A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:49 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@66.50.160.149] has joined #t2 02:05 < sparc-kly> mnemoc ? 02:11 < keinek> sparc-kly, parece que mnemoc no ta 02:11 < keinek> :) 02:11 < sparc-kly> yep lo mas seguro era haber si t2 habian tenido suerte con el en gentoo 04:05 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.110] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:37 < mnemoc> re 05:02 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@66.50.160.149] has quit [Client Quit] 05:12 -!- Vovo^^ [Vovo__@201.7.42.10] has joined #t2 05:12 -!- Vovo^^ [Vovo__@201.7.42.10] has left #t2 [] 05:25 -!- mtr__ [~michael@Hbec0.h.pppool.de] has joined #t2 05:33 -!- mtr_ [~michael@Ha15d.h.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:51 < mnemoc> rxr: unionfs still breaking stage 1 after 8212 and i really don't have a minute to trace it 06:54 < rxr> re 06:55 < rxr> that revision was to fixed not to build the sub packages 06:55 < mnemoc> moin rxr 06:55 < rxr> mnemoc: in such cases - touch the log file in build/.../var/adm/logs/1-unionfs.log and do not care ... 06:55 < mnemoc> oh, ok 06:55 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5975 Apr 12 22:59 build/default-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop/var/adm/logs/1-unionfs.log 06:56 < rxr> but I take a look 06:56 < mnemoc> i disabled it here 06:56 < mnemoc> i was just adding the issue to your already big todo :) 06:57 < mnemoc> OT: what do you have on TODO for rc1? 06:58 < mnemoc> what if we release your 'almost-rc1 tag' as our last beta (4)? 07:28 < rxr> I wanted to rm the tag and retag from HEAD ... 07:28 < rxr> yes - we could emmediatly tag as -beta4 and do polishing for some days and release that + ISOs as -rc1 07:29 < mnemoc> not immediatly... remember unionfs thing :) 07:29 < mnemoc> or disable it for the tag 07:30 < mnemoc> how is our x86_64 support this days? 07:30 < mnemoc> these* 07:31 < mnemoc> it would be nice to create a pool of minimal-desktop ISOs for a wider spectrum of archs 07:34 < rxr> What about gettiny all the stuff needed for the boot ISO cross building - than I can create a weekly set ... 07:34 < rxr> mnemoc: is this your usual build box I had a login a few time? 07:34 < rxr> I could debug the unionfs then - here it built ... 07:34 < mnemoc> rxr: give me your key 07:37 < mnemoc> rxr: you can try moving more stuff into cross-build stage on a branch :) 07:37 < rxr> hm - my Book is runing this non OS right now ... 07:37 < rxr> hm - which key do I hand you ... 07:37 * rxr thinking .. 07:37 < mnemoc> generate one on any _trustable_ shell box you have 07:38 < rxr> mnemoc: I can mark all of the crossbuilding ones for stage1 and disable stage 5 for them ... 07:38 < mnemoc> rxr: we both can use branches/all-cross to do ISOs :) 07:39 < mnemoc> rxr: but i don't like the idea of doing this change on trunk 07:39 < CIA-9> rene * r8214 /trunk/package/x11-ng/ (cairo/cairo.desc glitz/glitz.desc libpixman/libpixman.desc): 07:39 < CIA-9> * updated libpixman (0.1.3 -> 0.1.4) 07:39 < CIA-9> * updated glitz (0.1.3 -> 0.4.0) 07:39 < CIA-9> * updated cairo (0.3.0 -> 0.4.0) 07:40 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - let's do it in 2.2 then .. 07:40 < mnemoc> rxr: on a branch we can focus on minimal-desktop packages only 07:40 < rxr> I also do not have endless time right now .. 07:41 < mnemoc> no branch? 07:41 < rxr> not yet 07:42 < rxr> maybe later ... 07:42 < rxr> but in fact those chanes are mostly harmless - just try - fix - mark as 1 when it works ... 07:42 < mnemoc> that's why i think a branch is a good idea 07:42 < mnemoc> we can use it to produce more ISOs 07:42 < mnemoc> and as base for 2.2 07:43 < mnemoc> ISO -> PR -> more developers 08:03 < CIA-9> rene * r8215 /trunk/package/x11-ng/cairo/cairo.conf: * removed glitz disabling from cairo since the current versions build 08:11 < rxr> pkg-config 0.17.1 08:11 < rxr> hm - we have 0.15.0 .. 08:12 < mnemoc> add it to my reference 08:12 < mnemoc> please 08:12 < mnemoc> i have to go to sleep... i'll take the bus to univ in 3 hours and i need to rest a bit 08:13 < mnemoc> or i should study for my exam.... .oO 08:13 < mnemoc> sleep or study 08:13 < mnemoc> sleep or study 08:19 < mnemoc> sleeeeeeep or study 08:19 < CIA-9> rene * r8216 /trunk/package/base/pkgconfig/pkgconfig.desc: * updated pkgconfig (0.15.0 -> 0.17.1) 08:20 < mnemoc> .oO 08:23 < mnemoc> how can i see if two files are hardlinked? (something easily parse-able on a recursive shell script) 08:25 < rxr> same inode ID 08:26 < rxr> stat I think 08:28 < mnemoc> stat -c %i :) 08:39 < CIA-9> rene * r8217 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: * fixed the next typo in my linux24.conf postlinux rework 08:43 < mnemoc> uhm... 2 hours.. i'll go to sleep 08:44 < rxr> sleep well - and much luck for your exaams 08:44 < mnemoc> happy fixing rene :) let's get beta4 today 08:44 < mnemoc> thanks ;) 08:46 < rxr> hm 08:47 < rxr> I'm not at uinonfs - formerly linux24 rebuild - and it built now due to the postlinux fix 08:47 < rxr> unionfs looks straight forward - I think it is the usual "s.th. on the cross compiler get's defect when the real build run and later stage 1 builds do not work anymore 08:47 < rxr> " 08:47 < rxr> problem 08:52 < rxr> checking for directory with kernel source... /TOOLCHAIN/src.linux24.1113347811.2 08:52 < rxr> 6918.a8c02d02/linux-2.4.30 08:52 < rxr> checking for directory with kernel build... /lib/modules/2.6.11.6-dist/build 08:52 < rxr> checking for kernel version... 2.6.11.6-dist 08:52 < rxr> ^- ehmr - excuse me ... 09:00 < CIA-9> rene * r8218 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * some desktop target package selection rework 09:34 < rxr> Xvfb -ac :10 & 09:34 < rxr> DISPLAY=:10 thunderbird 09:34 < rxr> sllep 10 09:34 < rxr> sleep 10 even 09:44 -!- _jeru [~jeru@p54BFBF3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 09:44 -!- _jeru is now known as jeru 09:44 < rxr> hi jeru 09:45 < jeru> hi rxr :) 09:46 < jeru> recently saw that my kernel wasn't build, but I think you've already fixed the typo -> linux24.conf: line 131: contunue: command not found 09:47 < rxr> yes 09:48 < rxr> I'm just fixing alsa-driver/postlinux.conf to build for the actual 2.4 kernel ... 09:49 < jeru> btw, do you've sth. against a kernel 2.6 update -> 2.6.11.7 ? 09:50 < rxr> not really 09:51 < jeru> ok ... will run some tests and will commit it if all goes well 09:51 < rxr> comit it before 12:00 if you want it in -beta4 ,-) 09:52 < jeru> ok ;) 09:56 < jeru> I've also prepared a strongSwan package, but it works just for 2.6. right now. 09:56 < rxr> look at alsa-driver - that is 2.4 only ... 09:56 < rxr> you are free to make that package simillar ... 09:57 < jeru> ok ... will take a look 09:58 < CIA-9> rene * r8219 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-driver/postlinux.conf: 09:58 < CIA-9> * fixed alsa-driver to actually build and install against the building 09:58 < CIA-9> kernel - not random uname based configure decisions ... 10:04 < rxr> ok - today is the day: the GNU auto* crap is such a crap ... 10:05 < rxr> had to write that down once again ... 10:16 < jeru> rxr: when is postlinux.conf processed ? 10:17 < rxr> after the kernel was build - at the end to build 3rd party module sets ... 10:17 < rxr> why do you ask ? 10:17 < jeru> naja ... strongSwan ;) 10:19 < rxr> I thought you already built it ... 10:19 < jeru> not with 2.4 support now 10:19 < rxr> you meant manually - not yet as postlinux.conf ? 10:19 < jeru> it works for 2.6 only atm 10:20 < rxr> it is so annoying 10:20 < jeru> what ? 10:20 < rxr> just to install some header only packages for the modular X tree 10:21 < rxr> you need to run configure for 50 seconds on my Athlon to check for gcc, g++, fortran ... 10:22 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.217.139.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:23 < jeru> if we wanna do a build of strongswan for 2.4 we need the kernel sources installed ... how do we handle such case ? 10:23 < rxr> what does this build? kernel modules ? 10:23 < jeru> yes 10:23 < rxr> postlinux.conf 10:24 < jeru> anyway ... I don't like kernel modules, especially not for security related things 10:24 < rxr> why not ? 10:24 < jeru> I like fat kernels ;) 10:25 < rxr> if you have the priveledges to inject kernel modules you can inject random code into non modular kernels anyway ... 10:25 < rxr> has thie swan stuff support to patch the kernel to be built-in ? 10:25 < jeru> this is obviously true ... 10:25 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 10:25 < minto_> moin 10:26 < jeru> moin minto_ :) 10:26 < rxr> hi minto_ 10:26 < rxr> when I package x11-modular to day, we get s.th. like 20 new packages ... 10:26 < rxr> maybe even more ... 10:26 < rxr> currently it looks like an never ending storry ... 10:27 < rxr> my plan is to add enough to allow the build of luminocity and the other GL x server 10:27 < jeru> rxr: for 2.6 it's easy because it uses the implemented IPsec, but haven't tried to get strongSwan in a static linux 2.4 yet 10:27 < rxr> jeru: do you need it for 2.4 ? 10:28 < rxr> if you do not need it - don't package it ... 10:28 < jeru> nope 10:28 < rxr> I mean the 2.4 kernel stuff for it ... 10:28 < rxr> for me 2.4 is at end of life, because I want to get rid of DevFS as soon as possible - too much unsupported legacy code 10:29 < rxr> and thus udev with 2.6 is the only alternative - and 2.6 works well enough on all my boxes ... 10:29 < jeru> so T2 will be 2.6 only soon ? 10:29 < rxr> nope ... 10:29 < rxr> 2.1 will have both 10:29 < rxr> but considering that we might like to have Udev soon dropping 2.4 in 2.2 might be a possibility ... 10:30 < rxr> but that is not my decisoin 10:30 < rxr> decision even 10:30 < jeru> hmmm ... perhaps I should add strongSwan for 2.6 only .... let 10:30 < jeru> 's see what master mnemoc thinks about ;) 10:30 < rxr> supporting all the variations like devfs and udev on initrds is a pain ... 10:31 < rxr> well - we talk about 2.2 ... that is still some way to walk 10:31 < rxr> 2.1 will have all the kernels we have right now ... 10:31 < rxr> or do you mean about packaging the swa stuff to build for 2.4 ?= 10:31 < jeru> what is the most elegant way of determine the current kernel version in package.conf ? 10:31 < rxr> jeru: you do not want this - why do you think you need this ? 10:31 < jeru> rxr: I think I' 10:32 < jeru> 'll package strongSwan 2.4 stuff if I have more spare time ... for now I'm happy with 2.6 support 10:33 < rxr> when you want to build kernel modules this _has to be done_ in a postlinux.conf 10:33 < rxr> there oyu have the lx_kernelrelease and $kerneldir / $moduledir 10:33 < rxr> building stuff for the running kernel is a very big "don't do that" 10:33 < jeru> ah ... ok 10:33 < rxr> via postlinux.conf you get the modules for any kernel built during a target build 10:34 < rxr> going other ways only results in inconsistent modules for kernels not matching what was build by T2 10:34 < rxr> and you usually do not have the orignial source arround 10:36 < rxr> damn - me too stupid to type today ... 10:36 < jeru> rxr: my plan for strongswan for now is to improve the 2.6 support e.g. the LDAP stuff for PKI integration etc. 10:37 < rxr> strong swan is based on the former freeswan code ? 10:37 < jeru> and if most of us using 2.6. anyway it makes more sense to improve it on this site 10:37 < jeru> yep ... freeswan fork 10:37 < rxr> than I'm not going to use it anyway 10:37 < rxr> freeswan was one of the most broken code I ever saw 10:38 < rxr> can't you use isakpmd and friends ? 10:38 < jeru> there are 2 major IPsec implementations for Linux which forked from freeswan 1. openswan and 2. strongswan 10:38 < rxr> I once wanted to get swan runnong on PPC Linux - I fixed 8 (!!!) segfaults in one afternoon and classified it as unfixable - never to be look on again on that day 10:39 < rxr> jeru: ehrm? that is not true - you can use the OpenBSD stuff too 10:39 < rxr> you do not need the swan crap for IPsec with Linux 2.6 ... ? 10:39 < rxr> s/?/!/ 10:39 < jeru> rxr: we could check if strongSwan is more stable on your box nwo :) 10:39 < rxr> jeru: when I once saw such code I never look on it ... 10:40 < jeru> ah ... is there a port from OpenBSD ? 10:40 < rxr> either people know what they code - or they don't - for the later case I do not want to see code as result of endless fixing of the former ... 10:40 < rxr> jeru: we even have packages of the stuff ... 10:40 < jeru> oh ! 10:40 < rxr> package/network/isakmpd 10:41 < rxr> package/security/keynote 10:41 < rxr> and what else was needed ... 10:41 < rxr> I once used it ... 10:41 < rxr> and it worked out of the box on my PowerPC and co boxes and was not that hurting to read 10:41 < rxr> code-wise 10:41 < jeru> it worked well ? 10:41 < jeru> hmm ... cool 10:42 < rxr> it worked for the IPSec fluff used at my University when I tried it ... 10:42 * jeru takes a look 10:42 < rxr> I found it way more relaxing to set up than the swan #!=)U)(ZR! 10:42 < jeru> but strongSwan looks also quite easy anyway 10:42 < jeru> at least for config 10:43 < rxr> well - if it works for you - it is always good to have !lots! of packages in the tree ... 10:43 < rxr> (if the compile= 10:43 < rxr> = 10:43 < rxr> ) ... 10:49 < rxr> when was the last time you start a full target build ? 10:50 < jeru> rxr: yesterday ... 10:50 < rxr> what kind of target? did it include unionfs ? 10:51 < jeru> it's a mnemosyne target ... so no unionfs 10:51 < rxr> :-( 10:51 < rxr> would be interesting if it builds for other people 10:51 < jeru> doesn't build on your box ? 10:52 < rxr> I think the error on alejandros box is due to the cross compiler getting defective when the build is runnin in the chroot 10:52 < rxr> I saw this previously from time to time .. 10:53 < rxr> jeru: no - on mine it builds ... 10:53 < rxr> even in my tiny cross embedded ones ... 10:53 < jeru> :) 10:53 < rxr> just on mnemoc it fails in the ref build 10:54 < rxr> but that is with the build beeing in statge >=5 10:54 < rxr> the cross cc is not looking in all include dirs 10:54 < jeru> I'll take a look at unionfs soon, hopefully 10:54 < rxr> but I think this is a defect that will not happen on a fresh build - I saw such a defect in the past already 10:59 < CIA-9> rene * r8220 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-driver/postlinux.conf: * the next typo fixup round for alsa-driver/postlinux.conf ... 11:01 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFBF3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:01 -!- _jeru [~jeru@p54BFBF3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:01 < _jeru> freeze again :/ 11:02 < rxr> what kind of hardware is that ? 11:02 < _jeru> Thinkpad R40 11:02 < rxr> oh 11:02 < rxr> I once wanted to buy s.th. like that, too 11:02 < _jeru> P4M 2GHz, 1GB 11:02 < rxr> any idea why it happens so often ? 11:02 < _jeru> not yet 11:03 < _jeru> it seems to be sth KDE related 11:03 < rxr> why do you think so ? 11:03 < rxr> make 11:03 < rxr> sorry wrong window .. 11:04 < CIA-9> chris * r8221 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.11.6 -> 2.6.11.7) 11:04 < rxr> hey - I just build luminocity 11:04 < valentin> short moin 11:04 < _jeru> moin 11:04 < rxr> hi valentin 11:05 < rxr> so - now is the time to enable OpenGL on Athlon - in order to test the luminocity thingy 11:05 < rxr> valentin: how are you ? Soon @work ? 11:06 * rxr restarting X - cu 11:06 < valentin> yep 11:08 < rxr> re 11:09 < rxr> hm - OpenGL is not that much enjoyful on that box - I wonder why ... 11:10 < rxr> model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2500+ 11:10 < rxr> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] 11:10 < rxr> (--) RADEON(0): VideoRAM: 32768 kByte (64 bit DDR SDRAM) 11:11 < rxr> hm 11:11 < valentin> running on software ? 11:11 < rxr> dimensions: 1152x900 pixels (390x305 millimeters) 11:11 < rxr> depths (7): 24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32 11:11 < rxr> hm ... 11:11 < rxr> not such a recent Radeon chip at all ... 11:11 < rxr> valentin: nope 11:12 < rxr> or - hm - is it ... 11:12 < rxr> [drm] failed to load kernel module "radeon" 11:12 < rxr> (II) RADEON(0): [drm] drmOpen failed 11:12 < rxr> (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. 11:12 < rxr> ok .. 11:12 < rxr> yes ... 11:12 < _jeru> a friend gave me a Radeon 9200/128MB because he bought a newer card for playing ;) 11:12 < rxr> impressive fast for software rendering ... 11:12 < rxr> must be the impressive AMD CPU *g* 11:12 < rxr> jsaw_: nice ... 11:13 -!- _jeru is now known as jeru 11:13 < jeru> ;) 11:13 < rxr> my next card is either a XGI one (read the source release some days ago - but I took a look the source is heavily based on the SiS driver - even the original copyrights and comments are intact ... 11:13 < valentin> i am a bit in the background now 11:13 < rxr> or more likely the free GPU when they finish it 11:13 < rxr> cu valentin 11:14 < rxr> .oO 11:16 < rxr> CONFIG_DRM=m 11:16 < rxr> CONFIG_DRM_TDFX=m 11:16 < rxr> CONFIG_DRM_R128=m 11:16 < rxr> # CONFIG_DRM_RADEON is not set 11:16 < rxr> argh 11:16 < rxr> why the sh*t f*cking h*ll (sorry) is the only drm modele I need disabled ... 11:18 < rxr> jsaw_: still why do you think your freez is kde related, fiven that user space should not be able to freeze a box - with the usual exceptoin of X doing hardware access of course .,.. 11:21 < jeru> rxr: hmmm ... mostly it kicks me out due to ksirc nick collisions ... but in fact you should be right, this can't be the problem 11:22 < rxr> the only reason KDE could freeze your box more often than say xfce or so is doing X graphics ops that freez your GPU that do not happen e.g. with XFCE ... 11:22 < rxr> but aside from that ... 11:25 < jeru> rxr: how can I easy remove "#" as first character for a given address using sed ? 11:26 < rxr> address? 11:26 < jeru> as you can guess I just want to uncomment some things in a Makefile 11:26 < rxr> sed 's/^#\(the-stuff-to-match/\)/\1/' 11:26 < rxr> ? 11:28 < rxr> cool - alice <-> qsc ssh's feel quite good - nearly typing as if it would be a local shell ... 11:28 < rxr> guess latency is about 50 ms ... 11:29 < jeru> :) 11:30 < jeru> rxr: sed 's/^#\(LIBCURL\)/\1/' programs/pluto/Makefile <- works ... thank you :) 11:30 < rxr> jeru: no problem 11:30 < rxr> do you jut want to set a variable ? 11:31 < rxr> the I would jsut pass LIBCURL=xyz to the makeopt - and not touch the Makefile at all 11:31 < rxr> ehrm - people! 11:31 < rxr> whe have tis in our 2.6 disable broken: 11:31 < rxr> CONFIG_DRM_RADEON 2003-01-14 2.5.57 radeon.o 11:32 < jeru> uhm ? 11:33 < rxr> uite recent, not ? 11:33 < rxr> it is revision 1 - initial import ... 11:33 < rxr> I try building a 2.6 kernel with most of this stuff removed from disable broken ... 11:33 < jeru> rxr: unfortunately passing extra makeopts to strongswan doesn't work 11:37 < rxr> why ? 11:38 * rxr doing the dishes while linux26 is rebuilding with my DRM module enabled (you see how often I use 3d here, grrr ;-) 11:39 < jeru> ;) 11:43 < jeru> rxr: hmmm ... I've to give you my credits ... var_append makeopt seems to work ;) 11:52 < rxr> good ,-) 11:54 < rxr> linux26 still build -> /me more work in the kitchen ... 11:55 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:06 < rxr> ounm - still crunching ... 12:07 < jeru> damn .... pluto Makefile seems to be bad ... not using exported CFLAGS 12:11 < rxr> do you set the CFLAGS ? 12:12 < jeru> yep 12:15 < rxr> load average: 7.39, 5.30, 4.47 12:16 < jeru> uhm ??? 12:16 < rxr> my athlon busy building ... 12:16 < jeru> seems to be yquite hard for the poor Athlon ;) 12:17 < rxr> just killed the Build-Target away 12:17 < rxr> I want my DRM module sooner ... 12:18 < rxr> ok - /me off to grab the vacuum cleaner ... 12:34 < rxr> well - this DSL connection really nearly rocks like a QSC one 12:35 < jeru> nice :) 12:36 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 12:36 < jeru> but compiling strongswan with LDAP support fails ... it just works if I hardcode the include path openldap in the Makefile 12:36 < jeru> have to take a look on it later :| 12:37 < rxr> use the GCC_WRAPPER to teach it about includes ... 12:37 < rxr> drivers/video/sis/osdef.h:101:2: warning: #warning Neither CONFIG_FB_SIS_300 nor CONFIG_FB_SIS_315 is set 12:37 < rxr> drivers/video/sis/osdef.h:102:2: warning: #warning sisfb will not work! 12:37 < rxr> *lol* 12:37 < minto_> jeru: Is there no configure for the ldap include path. I currently work on a package (jabberd) that has the same thing 12:38 < rxr> minto_: var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND " " "-I ...." 12:39 < minto_> rxr: Maybe no need for that. Configure has --with-extra-include-path option. 12:46 < rxr> .oO(how I hate configures checkking for fortran, c++, and what else whta they obviously not need ...) 12:46 < rxr> .. 12:48 < rxr> oh - my kernel is in the final module loop ... 12:51 < CIA-9> rene * r8222 /trunk/package/base/linux26/disable-broken.lst: 12:51 < CIA-9> * flushed the linux26/disable-broken.lst quite a lot - The very old 12:51 < CIA-9> blacklist does not apply anymore and included stuff like vitial 12:51 < CIA-9> SCSI drivers and the radeon DRM module ... 13:03 < rxr> checking for glitz >= 0.4.1... Requested 'glitz >= 0.4.1' but version of libglitz is 0.4.0 13:03 < rxr> ?!?! 13:03 < rxr> I just updated it yesterday .... 13:03 < rxr> :-((( 13:04 < rxr> LATEST-glitz-0.4.0 13:04 < rxr> guess I need some CVS snapshot ... 13:05 < jeru> minto_: strongswan has no configure script 13:05 < rxr> configure.in 1.18 19 hours davidr Bump version to 0.4.2 13:06 < rxr> 6 weeks ago 13:06 < rxr> Tue Mar 1 15:49:37 2005 UTC 13:06 < rxr> Changes since 1.16: +1 -1 lines davidr 13:06 < rxr> Log: 13:06 < rxr> Bump version to 0.4.1 13:06 < rxr> hm 13:08 < jeru> I guess I can stop my kernel build and do a svn up ;) 13:08 < jeru> rxr: perhaps the Radeon issue is part of my problem too 13:09 < jeru> but anyway ... I've to go now ... cu later 13:09 < rxr> cu jeru 13:09 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFBF3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:10 -!- tilix [~tilix@212.116.139.141] has joined #t2 13:11 < rxr> hi tilix 13:17 < rxr> and I hate libtool ... 13:17 < rxr> su 13:18 < tilix> hi 13:18 < rxr> so - now I have all prerequisits claimed by configure to build Xgl ... 13:32 < rxr> ok - Xglx works basically ... 13:37 < minto_> Cool jabberd is building fine, now initialisation and I done. 13:37 < rxr> 3166 frames in 5.0 seconds = 633.200 FPS 13:37 < rxr> good 13:40 < minto_> rxr: Where can I read about how to use package .init files? Or maybe a good one for inspiration? 13:40 < rxr> oehm - any one - grab the exim one or so .. 13:40 < rxr> just copy it and alther the lines you need to 13:40 < minto_> Ack 13:51 < rxr> hi 13:51 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.45] has joined #t2 13:52 < rxr> hm - despite some redrawing errors ... 13:53 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.49] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:59 < rxr> re 13:59 < rxr> ehrm - well - people 13:59 < rxr> I'm impressed 13:59 < rxr> rene@haudraufinix:~/x/transset$ 13:59 < rxr> in 5.0 seconds = 633.200 FPS 13:59 < rxr> 13:37 < rxr> good 13:59 < rxr> 13:40 < minto_> rxr: Where can I read about how to use package .init files? Or maybe a good one for inspiration? 13:59 < rxr> 13:40 < rxr> oehm - any one - grab the exim one or so .. 13:59 < rxr> 13:40 < rxr> just copy it and alther the lines you need to 13:59 < rxr> 13:40 < minto_> Ack 13:59 < rxr> ouhm - well 14:00 < rxr> cut'n pasting betwen X's is that great 14:00 -!- rxr_ [~rene@e178133161.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 14:00 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 14:00 -!- Topic set by valentin [] [Sun Apr 10 22:39:26 2005] 14:00 [Users #t2] 14:00 [ _Ragnar_] [ Davidcc6] [ minto_ ] [ mtr__] [ rxr ] [ tilix ] 14:00 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw_ ] [ mnemoc_] [ nzg ] [ rxr_] [ valentin] 14:00 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal] 14:00 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 14:00 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 10 secs 14:00 < minto_> rxr: exim .init file still contains the Rock copyright notice. Seems to be the same for all .init files. Some are even without any copyright notice at all (mpd, mouseemu, syslog-ng, ...) 14:01 < rxr_> ehrm - people 14:01 < rxr_> luminocity looks great 14:02 < rxr_> minto_: maybe we did not yet process .init files in the copyright patch ... 14:03 < rxr_> wow 14:03 < rxr_> damn 14:03 < rxr_> I think I find myself working in the pre-alpha eye candy soon 14:03 < rxr_> it makes you addictive to it ... 14:04 -!- tilix [~tilix@212.116.139.141] has left #t2 ["Konversation terminated!"] 14:08 < rxr_> 18171 rene 16 0 64180 16m 6188 S 67.3 3.2 3:19.39 luminocity 14:08 < rxr_> 18202 rene 15 0 24800 12m 4468 S 10.7 2.4 0:11.09 mplayer 3887 root 16 0 69088 23m 2248 R 9.4 4.7 2:41.67 X 14:08 < rxr_> 18167 rene 16 0 23972 22m 5300 R 7.8 4.4 0:16.78 Xfake 14:08 < rxr_> 18168 rene 15 0 64180 16m 6188 S 2.6 3.2 0:26.04 luminocity 14:08 -!- _jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 14:09 -!- _jeru is now known as jeru 14:09 < jeru> re .... but at work 14:13 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 14:16 -!- _jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 14:16 -!- rxr [~rene@e178165237.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:24 < _jeru> rxr: have you succesfully build the updated kernel ? 14:24 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:24 -!- minto__ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 14:24 < rxr_> _jeru: yes 14:25 < rxr_> running the experimental X11-ng stuff right now ... 14:25 < rxr_> that is stressing hardware GL badly ... 14:28 < rxr_> people luminocity is so damn impressive ... 14:34 < _jeru> what's luminocity ? 14:36 -!- minto__ is now known as minto_ 14:40 < rxr_> Segmentation fault (core dumped) Xglx -ac :1 14:40 < rxr_> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog//xshots 14:40 < rxr_> tomorrow or so you will have a golem news about it ... 14:42 < CIA-9> rene * r8223 /trunk/package/x11-ng/transset/ (. transset.cache transset.conf transset.desc): * added transset (2005-04-01) 14:42 < rxr_> $ l */*/*.desc | wc -l 14:42 < rxr_> 1582 14:43 < rxr_> and 24 more when I package all the x11-modular stuff that is needed for Xgl and luminocity, including them both 14:44 * rxr_ shortly getting some food for lunch - cu 15:13 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.143] has joined #t2 15:13 < keinek> hi 15:14 < minto_> hi keinek 15:48 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.143] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:59 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.143] has joined #t2 16:01 < valentin> re 16:01 < valentin> http://www.heise.de/security/news/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=7796498&forum_id=76980 16:01 < valentin> Fenster .... 16:06 < rxr_> valentin: WoW !!! 16:06 < valentin> WoW ? 16:06 < rxr_> we also need such a good knowledge base ... 16:06 < rxr_> and translation team ... 16:07 < rxr_> and coders fixing security bugs in such a professional and quick way 16:07 < valentin> for f in /public/* ; do htpipe $f www.babelfish.com > $f.german ; done 16:08 < keinek> hey rxr 16:08 < keinek> look 16:08 < keinek> www.t2-project.com.ar 16:08 < keinek> :D 16:08 < valentin> advisory: some security problem. solution: unplug your network cable 16:08 < keinek> i will translate the web to spanish. 16:08 < valentin> keinek: :) 16:09 < keinek> :) 16:17 < _jeru> does anybody know the download location for qt windows version ? 16:17 < rxr_> not off hand 16:17 < valentin> trolltech.com ? 16:18 < _jeru> yeah ... but don't find the windows version for download there, and I thought they publish a GPL version for windows too 16:19 < _jeru> ok -> We plan to release an Open Source version of Qt for Windows when we release Qt 4. 16:19 < CIA-9> rene * r8224 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/: * removed preleminary 2.1.0-rc1 tag 16:20 < CIA-9> rene * r8225 /tags/2.1.0-beta4/: * tagged 2.1.0-beta4 16:30 < CIA-9> msluis * r8226 /trunk/package/network/jabberd/ (. jabberd.conf jabberd.desc jabberd.init postsysfiles.in): * added jabberd (2.0s7) 16:44 < rxr_> hm - I got a MMS 16:44 < rxr_> Vertragsinfo von o2 - sie 2kB ... 16:44 < rxr_> does anyone know if there is some new virus worm or whateer around? 16:47 < CIA-9> rene * r8227 /trunk/scripts/functions: 16:47 < CIA-9> * moved the autogen.sh invocation to a saner place and made it default 16:47 < CIA-9> from some sane constraints 16:47 < CIA-9> rene * r8228 /trunk/package/x11-ng/glitz/glitz.desc: * updated glitz (0.4.0 -> 0.4.1-CVS) 16:51 < CIA-9> msluis * r8229 /trunk/package/develop/alternatives/Makefile.patch: * added forgotten creation of alternatives data directories. 16:52 < CIA-9> chris * r8230 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.0-rc2 -> 0.9.0-rc3) 16:53 < CIA-9> rene * r8231 /trunk/scripts/functions: 16:53 < CIA-9> * removed debugging set -x / +x and moved the preconf hook before the 16:53 < CIA-9> autogen.sh run 16:57 < CIA-9> chris * r8232 /trunk/package/security/libpreludedb/libpreludedb.desc: * updated libpreludedb (0.9.0-rc3 -> 0.9.0-rc4) 16:58 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.143] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:58 < CIA-9> msluis * r8233 /trunk/package/java/apache-ant/ (apache-ant.conf apache-ant.desc): 16:58 < CIA-9> * apache-ant converted from custmain to hooks. 16:58 < CIA-9> * uses $JAVA_HOME to find active jdk. 17:01 < CIA-9> chris * r8234 /trunk/package/security/prelude-lml/prelude-lml.desc: * updated prelude-lml (0.9.0-rc1 -> 0.9.0-rc2) 17:04 < CIA-9> msluis * r8235 /trunk/package/mail/mailman/mailman.conf: * removed double forward slash in python binary directory. 17:07 < _jeru> can somebody try this URL please ? http://www.honeyd.org 17:08 < rxr_> Could not connect to host www.honeyd.org. 17:08 < _jeru> hmmm .... http://www.nagios.org too 17:08 < _jeru> seems to be a bigger problem 17:11 < CIA-9> chris * r8236 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/prelude-manager.desc: * updated prelude-manager (0.9.0-rc1 -> 0.9.0-rc2) 17:13 < CIA-9> rene * r8237 /tags/2.1.0-beta4/scripts/parse-config: * injected version for -beta4 tag 17:20 < CIA-9> chris * r8238 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/prewikka.desc: * updated prewikka (0.9.0-rc3 -> 0.9.0-rc4) 17:21 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@66.50.160.149] has joined #t2 17:21 < sparc-kly> Linux sparc 2.4.29-sparc #2 SMP Tue Apr 12 23:14:25 GMT 2005 sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I (SpitFire) GNU/Linux 17:24 < rxr_> I run 2.6 on mine ... 17:25 < sparc-kly> sparc is more stable in 2.4 :D 17:25 < rxr_> I have no problems on mine - and the 32bit classic SPARC does not run at all with 2.4 *g 17:25 < sparc-kly> my DSL today sucks 17:25 < rxr_> * 17:26 < sparc-kly> what version of 2.6 you running ? 17:27 * sparc-kly compiling firefox in sun ultra 2 :D 17:28 * sparc-kly reboot modem 17:28 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@66.50.160.149] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:46 * _jeru needs a traffic shaper at work ... to increase his bandwidth :) 17:46 < rxr_> hehe 17:46 -!- You're now known as rxr 17:47 -!- _jeru is now known as jeru 17:47 < jeru> hehe 17:47 < rxr> should I commit the /how many where that - 20 or so/ packages for x11-modular ? 17:47 < jeru> but my external server died or was shutted down :/ 17:48 < jeru> I can't imagine a power loss in a hosting center 17:49 < _Ragnar_> already happened 17:49 < jeru> yep 17:49 < jeru> but it has booted the rescue image 17:50 < jeru> so I got a shell 17:51 < jeru> but the connection lags 17:52 < jeru> I'll need a good colocation facility in berlin 18:12 < CIA-9> chris * r8239 /trunk/package/security/ebtables/ebtables.conf: * added makeinstopt BINPATH for adjusting the install location 18:24 < rxr> hm - I have 25 x11-modular packages right now ... ,-) 18:30 * jeru is moving home now ... cu later 18:30 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 18:32 * valentin moving home, too 19:00 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.143] has joined #t2 19:00 < keinek> hi 19:04 < rxr> hi 19:13 < _Ragnar_> moin 19:17 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 19:17 < _Ragnar_> hi rxr 19:17 < _Ragnar_> how goes? 19:26 < minto_> rxr: Why does pkginstalled (script/functions) look (below stage 9) in $base/config/$config/packages and only in stage 9 at the package already built (var/adm/packages)? 19:26 -!- _jeru [~jeru@p54BFD738.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 19:26 -!- _jeru is now known as jeru 19:26 < jeru> re 19:27 < minto_> Hi jeru, it took you almost an hour to get home. Traffic jam? 19:27 < minto_> :-) 19:28 < jeru> minto_: damn ... the police is observing me ;) 19:29 < jeru> minto_: but no traffic jam .... it was more a supermarket jam 19:29 < minto_> Yepp, the downside of technology. 19:31 < jeru> minto_: btw, how long does it take normaly ? 19:32 < minto_> Dunno, I am no longer with the police, remember. 19:33 < jeru> ah ok ... and no "whistle-blower" anymore ? ;) 19:34 < minto_> jeru: I was just guessing. I previous job nearly took me an hour to get home without traffic jam. 19:34 < minto_> s/i/My 19:34 * jeru is switching into serious mode now 19:34 < rxr> minto_: because when a joe user builds a package the information ouf the _installed_ packages should be used (stage9) 19:35 < rxr> however for target builds it is important to check if they are in the to-be-build list, so the build aborts when a missing dependency has not yet been built ... 19:36 < jeru> rxr: have read the current Linux-Magazin ? ... I laughed about the debian vote discussions ... 19:37 < minto_> rxr: Should they not check if really build instead of to be build. When I do 19:37 < minto_> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg fileserver -job 5-jboss-as 19:37 < minto_> For two different packages, where the second depends on the first, Then it says the dependant package has not yet been build. 19:38 < minto_> on the build of the second package. 19:39 < rxr> minto_: no - it should exactly be as it is implemented intentionally 19:39 < rxr> minto_: to track those priority number problems as soon as possible 19:39 < rxr> (as long as we have this ugly static priority we really need to get rid of) 19:45 < minto_> rxr: I have looked at it again and noticed the difference between pkginstalled and pkgprefix. So in the manual case I described, pkginstalled could return false even if pkgprefix does work properly. 19:46 < rxr> hm - I do not know off hand what pkgprefix will do for a not installed package - doesn't it return "false", too ? 19:47 < minto_> At stage 5 pkginstalled uses the to-be-build list and pkgprefix uses var/adm/packages. The difference probable only occurs in case of manually building several packages. 19:47 < rxr> ah - manual case as in -job 5-* ... 19:48 < rxr> yes that is correct ... 19:48 < minto_> Yepp 19:50 < rxr> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10282 19:51 < rxr> the first comment is cool 20:15 < CIA-9> chris * r8240 /trunk/package/develop/libevent/libevent.desc: * updated libevent (1.0b -> 1.0c) 20:32 < CIA-9> msluis * r8241 /trunk/package/java/jboss-as/ (. jboss-as.conf jboss-as.desc jboss-as.init postsysfiles.in): * added jboss (4.0.1sp1) 20:39 < valentin> re 20:44 < rxr> -beta4 release announcement sent out 20:49 < CIA-9> chris * r8242 /trunk/package/develop/libdnet/ (. libdnet.desc): * added libdnet (1.10) 20:58 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.214.62.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 20:58 < sepp> hi 20:58 < jeru> hi sepp 21:11 < CIA-9> chris * r8243 /trunk/package/network/honeyd/ (. config.hlp config.in honeyd.conf honeyd.desc): * added honeyd (1.0) 21:15 < sepp> one thing about stone / network - if you enter a hostname it does not update hosts 21:15 < CIA-9> chris * r8244 /trunk/package/develop/libdnet/libdnet.desc: * adjusted the build priority 21:27 < rxr> lm_sensors 2.9.1 21:27 < rxr> Asymptote 0.73 21:30 < valentin> those Asymptote guys have a quite fast release cycle 21:32 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.143] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 21:37 < rxr> hehe 21:37 < rxr> if you feel to update it ,-) 22:07 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.214.62.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 22:08 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.214.62.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 22:09 < sepp> oehm worg crashed again 22:09 < sepp> xorg* 22:20 < rxr> :-( 22:24 < sepp> ohhh no again this nvidia crap 22:24 < sepp> Call Trace: [] _nv006451rm+0x55/0x74 [nvidia] ... 22:25 * sepp reboots 22:26 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.214.62.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 22:26 < CIA-9> msluis * r8245 /trunk/Documentation/Developers/REGISTER: * registerd jabber user and group name (forgotten in r8226) 22:27 < rxr> .oO 22:30 < CIA-9> msluis * r8246 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * Changed jboss user id in 390 also registered now (see r8241). 22:30 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.211.244.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 22:31 < minto_> That's it for today, gn8 all 22:32 < sepp> good night minto_ 22:41 < rxr> cu minto_ 22:41 < jeru> good night minto_ 22:43 < jeru> strongswan now builds with curl + ldap support without touching the damn Makefiles yet ;) 22:48 < rxr> ,-) 22:49 < jeru> rxr: seems that the install docu are as evil as the code of freeswan you mentioned ;) 22:49 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:50 < jeru> rxr: and everywhere there is a " 22:50 < jeru> Under Gentoo emerge strongSwan with 22:50 < jeru> USE="curl -ssl" emerge strongswan 22:50 < jeru> " blah blah 22:51 < jeru> gentoo is patching the Makefiles + exporting the vars ... 22:56 < rxr> :-) 22:58 * sepp is building/testing warm rain 22:59 < sepp> for x86 22:59 < rxr> .oO(I hope it builds reasonable well) 23:00 < sepp> at least i can report problems 23:01 < jeru> rxr: btw, gentoo is not able to patch the kernel automagically ... they just give a note to install a ipsec capable kernel 23:03 < rxr> in gentoo much stuff is not automatic ... 23:04 < jeru> hmmm ... I slowly realize it ;) 23:04 < jeru> hehe 23:09 < rxr> on all ebuilds I looked into my stomarch turned over ... 23:11 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.195.208.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 23:11 < jeru> but there still waits an interesting crypto token and smartcard support to be implemented 23:12 < rxr> hehe ,-( 23:12 < rxr> ) even 23:13 < rxr> we need to link to distrowatch from some places - so we increase our ranking on their side ... 23:15 < rxr> btw. as we mentioned already - we ("ExactCode") /might/ get some a tiny (read very under payed) salary to create a good custom Linux distribution for a German magazin ... 23:15 < sepp_> i started to work on a poster today ;) 23:15 < rxr> we'll know the final word tomorrow - just that you already are a bit informed when we might post more the list then 23:16 < rxr> nothing to get rich - but if we get this - we will get a state of the ard LiveCD for T2 including graphical rock net frontend and kde / gnome and OOO polishing ... 23:16 < rxr> sepp_: ,-) 23:16 < sepp_> i dropped inkscape its way too unstable 23:17 < rxr> sepp_: inkscape worked quite well for me so far - but the latest version was indeed a bit instable - the versions before nearly never crashed ... 23:17 < sepp_> same thing here 23:18 < sepp_> latest version is really buggy 23:18 < sepp_> 0.41 23:18 < rxr> sepp_: what do you use now ? 23:18 < sepp_> a non oss 3d app 23:19 < sepp_> but i want to render with aqsis 23:19 < jeru> rxr: well, a nice T2 live cd ... :) 23:19 < sepp_> something like the ct tux pictures 23:20 < rxr> sepp_: nice ,-) 23:20 < rxr> our blender package should also work quite well - however I have not yet done major work in blender 23:20 < sepp_> i am sorry but blender sucks 23:20 * jeru thinks sepp has some graphical experience and can provide nice graphics for the web ;) 23:20 < rxr> in the past I used AutoCAD and the 3D Max thing a bit - however mootly for technical stuff - not too much "art" 23:21 < rxr> sepp_: due to user interface? or more ? 23:21 < sepp_> i like maya/renderman ... 23:21 < sepp_> yes the gui 23:22 < sepp_> the way to model ... 23:23 < rxr> I'm awaiting your artwork 23:23 < sepp_> and i saw the code - damn they put a char into a int and % 'key' 23:23 < jeru> rxr: btw, I don't tweak a lot on the default plone skin. I'll use a minimalistic version that we can tweak together. Atm I've not the time to play with CSS! ;) 23:23 < rxr> if you feel to it would be nice if you would take some snapshots on the way - I would find the evolution of your designs interesting 23:23 < rxr> jeru: no problem 23:24 < sepp_> rxr: you saw my 2d t2 logo idea ? 23:24 < rxr> if the base is good (read editing navigation and such) I can do CSS work 23:24 < rxr> yes - the "horn"? interesting ,-) 23:24 < sepp_> its part of the gnu head 23:25 < jeru> rxr: I've made a simple "Product" for plone called "T2PloneSkin". All CSS work can be done there ;) 23:27 < rxr> does anyone have an idea why C-s does not do incremetal forward search in your bash? 23:27 < rxr> but instead this annoying scroll lock ? 23:31 < rxr> stty -a 23:31 < rxr> stop = ^S 23:31 < rxr> hm - now how to disable this ... 23:31 < rxr> I guess I'm not the only one that would like to see a change in that default for T2, right ? 23:32 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.211.244.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:33 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 23:34 < _Ragnar_> rxr: ctrl+s is pretty standard for freeze output 23:34 < rxr> but isn't it also pretty annoying ? 23:34 < _Ragnar_> sometimes;D 23:34 < rxr> googling bash ctrl+s gives lots of hits 23:34 < rxr> and the bash manual stats C-s as incremental search forward ... 23:38 < _Ragnar_> well one can always reassign it to another key 23:38 < rxr> hm - on FreeBSD this is also the default setup - sigh ... 23:39 < rxr> _Ragnar_: it took me 2 years to find out that occational xterm freezes are due to once in the week hitting C-s while typing fast ... 23:39 < _Ragnar_> really? 23:39 < rxr> I do not find that particularly user friendly ... 23:39 < rxr> yes? How should I know that ? 23:39 < rxr> I mean you type and then - blob - freeze ... 23:39 < _Ragnar_> they told us that in our first programming/unix courses 23:39 < rxr> and you do not even know what key it was 23:40 < rxr> I encountered Linux / Unix on my own - and never had the need for such a scroll lock thing ... 23:40 < _Ragnar_> you never worked on a mainframe?:) 23:40 < rxr> the scroll lock key alone is already as useless as the capslock key ... 23:40 < rxr> why would I want to have C-s then ... 23:40 < rxr> _Ragnar_: not really .. 23:41 < _Ragnar_> the ^S is a legacy from then, when you could actually read the output while it was sent from the program 23:42 < _Ragnar_> and ^Z/fg took a few seconds until you got a new time slice 23:43 < rxr> aha ,-) 23:44 < _Ragnar_> ^Q unlocks the screen again 23:44 < _Ragnar_> more confusing is ^A^S in screen ;) 23:44 < rxr> well - I know the ^Q since I found out my occational terminal freeze was due to ^s beeing scroll lock 23:44 < _Ragnar_> :D 23:45 < rxr> however I would like to disable this "feature" and get ^s as incremental forward search ... 23:45 < rxr> I guess stty ? 23:47 < _Ragnar_> stty stop ^\ or something like that 23:48 < rxr> yeah - ,-) 23:49 < rxr> ok - enough for today ... 23:49 < rxr> when we get the ok tomorrow a lot of livecd stuff will come ... 23:49 < rxr> and I need to enter the sleep cycle now - n8 all 23:49 < _Ragnar_> gn8 & sleep well 23:50 < rxr> _Ragnar_: now that I have a C-s fix I will *g* 23:50 < _Ragnar_> =) 23:53 < sepp> good night all 23:55 < jeru> good night --- Log closed Thu Apr 14 00:00:04 2005