--- Log opened Wed Apr 13 00:00:04 2005
01:14 < keinek> Hey guys!
01:14 < keinek> http://www.t2-project.com.ar/
01:14 < keinek> :)
01:14 < keinek> now i was translating the web :)
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02:05 < sparc-kly> mnemoc ?
02:11 < keinek> sparc-kly, parece que mnemoc no ta
02:11 < keinek> :)
02:11 < sparc-kly> yep lo mas seguro era haber si t2 habian tenido suerte con el en gentoo
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04:37 < mnemoc> re
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06:51 < mnemoc> rxr: unionfs still breaking stage 1 after 8212 and i really don't have a minute to trace it
06:54 < rxr> re
06:55 < rxr> that revision was to fixed not to build the sub packages
06:55 < mnemoc> moin rxr
06:55 < rxr> mnemoc: in such cases - touch the log file in build/.../var/adm/logs/1-unionfs.log and do not care ...
06:55 < mnemoc> oh, ok
06:55 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5975 Apr 12 22:59 build/default-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop/var/adm/logs/1-unionfs.log
06:56 < rxr> but I take a look
06:56 < mnemoc> i disabled it here
06:56 < mnemoc> i was just adding the issue to your already big todo :)
06:57 < mnemoc> OT: what do you have on TODO for rc1?
06:58 < mnemoc> what if we release your 'almost-rc1 tag' as our last beta (4)?
07:28 < rxr> I wanted to rm the tag and retag from HEAD ...
07:28 < rxr> yes - we could emmediatly tag as -beta4 and do polishing for some days and release that + ISOs as -rc1
07:29 < mnemoc> not immediatly... remember unionfs thing :)
07:29 < mnemoc> or disable it for the tag
07:30 < mnemoc> how is our x86_64 support this days?
07:30 < mnemoc> these*
07:31 < mnemoc> it would be nice to create a pool of minimal-desktop ISOs for a wider spectrum of archs
07:34 < rxr> What about gettiny all the stuff needed for the boot ISO cross building - than I can create a weekly set ...
07:34 < rxr> mnemoc: is this your usual build box I had a login a few time?
07:34 < rxr> I could debug the unionfs then - here it built ...
07:34 < mnemoc> rxr: give me your key
07:37 < mnemoc> rxr: you can try moving more stuff into cross-build stage on a branch :)
07:37 < rxr> hm - my Book is runing this non OS right now ...
07:37 < rxr> hm - which key do I hand you ...
07:37 * rxr thinking ..
07:37 < mnemoc> generate one on any _trustable_ shell box you have
07:38 < rxr> mnemoc: I can mark all of the crossbuilding ones for stage1 and disable stage 5 for them ...
07:38 < mnemoc> rxr: we both can use branches/all-cross to do ISOs :)
07:39 < mnemoc> rxr: but i don't like the idea of doing this change on trunk
07:39 < CIA-9> rene * r8214 /trunk/package/x11-ng/ (cairo/cairo.desc glitz/glitz.desc libpixman/libpixman.desc):
07:39 < CIA-9> * updated libpixman (0.1.3 -> 0.1.4)
07:39 < CIA-9> * updated glitz (0.1.3 -> 0.4.0)
07:39 < CIA-9> * updated cairo (0.3.0 -> 0.4.0)
07:40 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - let's do it in 2.2 then ..
07:40 < mnemoc> rxr: on a branch we can focus on minimal-desktop packages only
07:40 < rxr> I also do not have endless time right now ..
07:41 < mnemoc> no branch?
07:41 < rxr> not yet
07:42 < rxr> maybe later ...
07:42 < rxr> but in fact those chanes are mostly harmless - just try - fix - mark as 1 when it works ...
07:42 < mnemoc> that's why i think a branch is a good idea
07:42 < mnemoc> we can use it to produce more ISOs
07:42 < mnemoc> and as base for 2.2
07:43 < mnemoc> ISO -> PR -> more developers
08:03 < CIA-9> rene * r8215 /trunk/package/x11-ng/cairo/cairo.conf: * removed glitz disabling from cairo since the current versions build
08:11 < rxr> pkg-config 0.17.1
08:11 < rxr> hm - we have 0.15.0 ..
08:12 < mnemoc> add it to my reference
08:12 < mnemoc> please
08:12 < mnemoc> i have to go to sleep... i'll take the bus to univ in 3 hours and i need to rest a bit
08:13 < mnemoc> or i should study for my exam.... .oO
08:13 < mnemoc> sleep or study
08:13 < mnemoc> sleep or study
08:19 < mnemoc> sleeeeeeep or study
08:19 < CIA-9> rene * r8216 /trunk/package/base/pkgconfig/pkgconfig.desc: * updated pkgconfig (0.15.0 -> 0.17.1)
08:20 < mnemoc> .oO
08:23 < mnemoc> how can i see if two files are hardlinked? (something easily parse-able on a recursive shell script)
08:25 < rxr> same inode ID
08:26 < rxr> stat I think
08:28 < mnemoc> stat -c %i :)
08:39 < CIA-9> rene * r8217 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: * fixed the next typo in my linux24.conf postlinux rework
08:43 < mnemoc> uhm... 2 hours.. i'll go to sleep
08:44 < rxr> sleep well - and much luck for your exaams
08:44 < mnemoc> happy fixing rene :) let's get beta4 today
08:44 < mnemoc> thanks ;)
08:46 < rxr> hm
08:47 < rxr> I'm not at uinonfs - formerly linux24 rebuild - and it built now due to the postlinux fix
08:47 < rxr> unionfs looks straight forward - I think it is the usual "s.th. on the cross compiler get's defect when the real build run and later stage 1 builds do not work anymore
08:47 < rxr> "
08:47 < rxr> problem
08:52 < rxr> checking for directory with kernel source... /TOOLCHAIN/src.linux24.1113347811.2
08:52 < rxr> 6918.a8c02d02/linux-2.4.30
08:52 < rxr> checking for directory with kernel build... /lib/modules/2.6.11.6-dist/build
08:52 < rxr> checking for kernel version... 2.6.11.6-dist
08:52 < rxr> ^- ehmr - excuse me ...
09:00 < CIA-9> rene * r8218 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * some desktop target package selection rework
09:34 < rxr> Xvfb -ac :10 &
09:34 < rxr> DISPLAY=:10 thunderbird
09:34 < rxr> sllep 10
09:34 < rxr> sleep 10 even
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09:44 < rxr> hi jeru
09:45 < jeru> hi rxr :)
09:46 < jeru> recently saw that my kernel wasn't build, but I think you've already fixed the typo -> linux24.conf: line 131: contunue: command not found
09:47 < rxr> yes
09:48 < rxr> I'm just fixing alsa-driver/postlinux.conf to build for the actual 2.4 kernel ...
09:49 < jeru> btw, do you've sth. against a kernel 2.6 update -> 2.6.11.7 ?
09:50 < rxr> not really
09:51 < jeru> ok ... will run some tests and will commit it if all goes well
09:51 < rxr> comit it before 12:00 if you want it in -beta4 ,-)
09:52 < jeru> ok ;)
09:56 < jeru> I've also prepared a strongSwan package, but it works just for 2.6. right now.
09:56 < rxr> look at alsa-driver - that is 2.4 only ...
09:56 < rxr> you are free to make that package simillar ...
09:57 < jeru> ok ... will take a look
09:58 < CIA-9> rene * r8219 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-driver/postlinux.conf:
09:58 < CIA-9> * fixed alsa-driver to actually build and install against the building
09:58 < CIA-9> kernel - not random uname based configure decisions ...
10:04 < rxr> ok - today is the day: the GNU auto* crap is such a crap ...
10:05 < rxr> had to write that down once again ...
10:16 < jeru> rxr: when is postlinux.conf processed ?
10:17 < rxr> after the kernel was build - at the end to build 3rd party module sets ...
10:17 < rxr> why do you ask ?
10:17 < jeru> naja ... strongSwan ;)
10:19 < rxr> I thought you already built it ...
10:19 < jeru> not with 2.4 support now
10:19 < rxr> you meant manually - not yet as postlinux.conf ?
10:19 < jeru> it works for 2.6 only atm
10:20 < rxr> it is so annoying
10:20 < jeru> what ?
10:20 < rxr> just to install some header only packages for the modular X tree
10:21 < rxr> you need to run configure for 50 seconds on my Athlon to check for gcc, g++, fortran ...
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10:23 < jeru> if we wanna do a build of strongswan for 2.4 we need the kernel sources installed ... how do we handle such case ?
10:23 < rxr> what does this build? kernel modules ?
10:23 < jeru> yes
10:23 < rxr> postlinux.conf
10:24 < jeru> anyway ... I don't like kernel modules, especially not for security related things
10:24 < rxr> why not ?
10:24 < jeru> I like fat kernels ;)
10:25 < rxr> if you have the priveledges to inject kernel modules you can inject random code into non modular kernels anyway ...
10:25 < rxr> has thie swan stuff support to patch the kernel to be built-in ?
10:25 < jeru> this is obviously true ...
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10:25 < minto_> moin
10:26 < jeru> moin minto_ :)
10:26 < rxr> hi minto_
10:26 < rxr> when I package x11-modular to day, we get s.th. like 20 new packages ...
10:26 < rxr> maybe even more ...
10:26 < rxr> currently it looks like an never ending storry ...
10:27 < rxr> my plan is to add enough to allow the build of luminocity and the other GL x server
10:27 < jeru> rxr: for 2.6 it's easy because it uses the implemented IPsec, but haven't tried to get strongSwan in a static linux 2.4 yet
10:27 < rxr> jeru: do you need it for 2.4 ?
10:28 < rxr> if you do not need it - don't package it ...
10:28 < jeru> nope
10:28 < rxr> I mean the 2.4 kernel stuff for it ...
10:28 < rxr> for me 2.4 is at end of life, because I want to get rid of DevFS as soon as possible - too much unsupported legacy code
10:29 < rxr> and thus udev with 2.6 is the only alternative - and 2.6 works well enough on all my boxes ...
10:29 < jeru> so T2 will be 2.6 only soon ?
10:29 < rxr> nope ...
10:29 < rxr> 2.1 will have both
10:29 < rxr> but considering that we might like to have Udev soon dropping 2.4 in 2.2 might be a possibility ...
10:30 < rxr> but that is not my decisoin
10:30 < rxr> decision even
10:30 < jeru> hmmm ... perhaps I should add strongSwan for 2.6 only .... let
10:30 < jeru> 's see what master mnemoc thinks about ;)
10:30 < rxr> supporting all the variations like devfs and udev on initrds is a pain ...
10:31 < rxr> well - we talk about 2.2 ... that is still some way to walk
10:31 < rxr> 2.1 will have all the kernels we have right now ...
10:31 < rxr> or do you mean about packaging the swa stuff to build for 2.4 ?=
10:31 < jeru> what is the most elegant way of determine the current kernel version in package.conf ?
10:31 < rxr> jeru: you do not want this - why do you think you need this ?
10:31 < jeru> rxr: I think I'
10:32 < jeru> 'll package strongSwan 2.4 stuff if I have more spare time ... for now I'm happy with 2.6 support
10:33 < rxr> when you want to build kernel modules this _has to be done_ in a postlinux.conf
10:33 < rxr> there oyu have the lx_kernelrelease and $kerneldir / $moduledir
10:33 < rxr> building stuff for the running kernel is a very big "don't do that"
10:33 < jeru> ah ... ok
10:33 < rxr> via postlinux.conf you get the modules for any kernel built during a target build
10:34 < rxr> going other ways only results in inconsistent modules for kernels not matching what was build by T2
10:34 < rxr> and you usually do not have the orignial source arround
10:36 < rxr> damn - me too stupid to type today ...
10:36 < jeru> rxr: my plan for strongswan for now is to improve the 2.6 support e.g. the LDAP stuff for PKI integration etc.
10:37 < rxr> strong swan is based on the former freeswan code ?
10:37 < jeru> and if most of us using 2.6. anyway it makes more sense to improve it on this site
10:37 < jeru> yep ... freeswan fork
10:37 < rxr> than I'm not going to use it anyway
10:37 < rxr> freeswan was one of the most broken code I ever saw
10:38 < rxr> can't you use isakpmd and friends ?
10:38 < jeru> there are 2 major IPsec implementations for Linux which forked from freeswan 1. openswan and 2. strongswan
10:38 < rxr> I once wanted to get swan runnong on PPC Linux - I fixed 8 (!!!) segfaults in one afternoon and classified it as unfixable - never to be look on again on that day
10:39 < rxr> jeru: ehrm? that is not true - you can use the OpenBSD stuff too
10:39 < rxr> you do not need the swan crap for IPsec with Linux 2.6 ... ?
10:39 < rxr> s/?/!/
10:39 < jeru> rxr: we could check if strongSwan is more stable on your box nwo :)
10:39 < rxr> jeru: when I once saw such code I never look on it ...
10:40 < jeru> ah ... is there a port from OpenBSD ?
10:40 < rxr> either people know what they code - or they don't - for the later case I do not want to see code as result of endless fixing of the former ...
10:40 < rxr> jeru: we even have packages of the stuff ...
10:40 < jeru> oh !
10:40 < rxr> package/network/isakmpd
10:41 < rxr> package/security/keynote
10:41 < rxr> and what else was needed ...
10:41 < rxr> I once used it ...
10:41 < rxr> and it worked out of the box on my PowerPC and co boxes and was not that hurting to read
10:41 < rxr> code-wise
10:41 < jeru> it worked well ?
10:41 < jeru> hmm ... cool
10:42 < rxr> it worked for the IPSec fluff used at my University when I tried it ...
10:42 * jeru takes a look
10:42 < rxr> I found it way more relaxing to set up than the swan #!=)U)(ZR!
10:42 < jeru> but strongSwan looks also quite easy anyway
10:42 < jeru> at least for config
10:43 < rxr> well - if it works for you - it is always good to have !lots! of packages in the tree ...
10:43 < rxr> (if the compile=
10:43 < rxr> =
10:43 < rxr> ) ...
10:49 < rxr> when was the last time you start a full target build ?
10:50 < jeru> rxr: yesterday ...
10:50 < rxr> what kind of target? did it include unionfs ?
10:51 < jeru> it's a mnemosyne target ... so no unionfs
10:51 < rxr> :-(
10:51 < rxr> would be interesting if it builds for other people
10:51 < jeru> doesn't build on your box ?
10:52 < rxr> I think the error on alejandros box is due to the cross compiler getting defective when the build is runnin in the chroot
10:52 < rxr> I saw this previously from time to time ..
10:53 < rxr> jeru: no - on mine it builds ...
10:53 < rxr> even in my tiny cross embedded ones ...
10:53 < jeru> :)
10:53 < rxr> just on mnemoc it fails in the ref build
10:54 < rxr> but that is with the build beeing in statge >=5
10:54 < rxr> the cross cc is not looking in all include dirs
10:54 < jeru> I'll take a look at unionfs soon, hopefully
10:54 < rxr> but I think this is a defect that will not happen on a fresh build - I saw such a defect in the past already
10:59 < CIA-9> rene * r8220 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-driver/postlinux.conf: * the next typo fixup round for alsa-driver/postlinux.conf ...
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11:01 < _jeru> freeze again :/
11:02 < rxr> what kind of hardware is that ?
11:02 < _jeru> Thinkpad R40
11:02 < rxr> oh
11:02 < rxr> I once wanted to buy s.th. like that, too
11:02 < _jeru> P4M 2GHz, 1GB
11:02 < rxr> any idea why it happens so often ?
11:02 < _jeru> not yet
11:03 < _jeru> it seems to be sth KDE related
11:03 < rxr> why do you think so ?
11:03 < rxr> make
11:03 < rxr> sorry wrong window ..
11:04 < CIA-9> chris * r8221 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.11.6 -> 2.6.11.7)
11:04 < rxr> hey - I just build luminocity
11:04 < valentin> short moin
11:04 < _jeru> moin
11:04 < rxr> hi valentin
11:05 < rxr> so - now is the time to enable OpenGL on Athlon - in order to test the luminocity thingy
11:05 < rxr> valentin: how are you ? Soon @work ?
11:06 * rxr restarting X - cu
11:06 < valentin> yep
11:08 < rxr> re
11:09 < rxr> hm - OpenGL is not that much enjoyful on that box - I wonder why ...
11:10 < rxr> model name : AMD Athlon(TM) XP 2500+
11:10 < rxr> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
11:10 < rxr> (--) RADEON(0): VideoRAM: 32768 kByte (64 bit DDR SDRAM)
11:11 < rxr> hm
11:11 < valentin> running on software ?
11:11 < rxr> dimensions: 1152x900 pixels (390x305 millimeters)
11:11 < rxr> depths (7): 24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32
11:11 < rxr> hm ...
11:11 < rxr> not such a recent Radeon chip at all ...
11:11 < rxr> valentin: nope
11:12 < rxr> or - hm - is it ...
11:12 < rxr> [drm] failed to load kernel module "radeon"
11:12 < rxr> (II) RADEON(0): [drm] drmOpen failed
11:12 < rxr> (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI.
11:12 < rxr> ok ..
11:12 < rxr> yes ...
11:12 < _jeru> a friend gave me a Radeon 9200/128MB because he bought a newer card for playing ;)
11:12 < rxr> impressive fast for software rendering ...
11:12 < rxr> must be the impressive AMD CPU *g*
11:12 < rxr> jsaw_: nice ...
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11:13 < jeru> ;)
11:13 < rxr> my next card is either a XGI one (read the source release some days ago - but I took a look the source is heavily based on the SiS driver - even the original copyrights and comments are intact ...
11:13 < valentin> i am a bit in the background now
11:13 < rxr> or more likely the free GPU when they finish it
11:13 < rxr> cu valentin
11:14 < rxr> .oO
11:16 < rxr> CONFIG_DRM=m
11:16 < rxr> CONFIG_DRM_TDFX=m
11:16 < rxr> CONFIG_DRM_R128=m
11:16 < rxr> # CONFIG_DRM_RADEON is not set
11:16 < rxr> argh
11:16 < rxr> why the sh*t f*cking h*ll (sorry) is the only drm modele I need disabled ...
11:18 < rxr> jsaw_: still why do you think your freez is kde related, fiven that user space should not be able to freeze a box - with the usual exceptoin of X doing hardware access of course .,..
11:21 < jeru> rxr: hmmm ... mostly it kicks me out due to ksirc nick collisions ... but in fact you should be right, this can't be the problem
11:22 < rxr> the only reason KDE could freeze your box more often than say xfce or so is doing X graphics ops that freez your GPU that do not happen e.g. with XFCE ...
11:22 < rxr> but aside from that ...
11:25 < jeru> rxr: how can I easy remove "#" as first character for a given address using sed ?
11:26 < rxr> address?
11:26 < jeru> as you can guess I just want to uncomment some things in a Makefile
11:26 < rxr> sed 's/^#\(the-stuff-to-match/\)/\1/'
11:26 < rxr> ?
11:28 < rxr> cool - alice <-> qsc ssh's feel quite good - nearly typing as if it would be a local shell ...
11:28 < rxr> guess latency is about 50 ms ...
11:29 < jeru> :)
11:30 < jeru> rxr: sed 's/^#\(LIBCURL\)/\1/' programs/pluto/Makefile <- works ... thank you :)
11:30 < rxr> jeru: no problem
11:30 < rxr> do you jut want to set a variable ?
11:31 < rxr> the I would jsut pass LIBCURL=xyz to the makeopt - and not touch the Makefile at all
11:31 < rxr> ehrm - people!
11:31 < rxr> whe have tis in our 2.6 disable broken:
11:31 < rxr> CONFIG_DRM_RADEON 2003-01-14 2.5.57 radeon.o
11:32 < jeru> uhm ?
11:33 < rxr> uite recent, not ?
11:33 < rxr> it is revision 1 - initial import ...
11:33 < rxr> I try building a 2.6 kernel with most of this stuff removed from disable broken ...
11:33 < jeru> rxr: unfortunately passing extra makeopts to strongswan doesn't work
11:37 < rxr> why ?
11:38 * rxr doing the dishes while linux26 is rebuilding with my DRM module enabled (you see how often I use 3d here, grrr ;-)
11:39 < jeru> ;)
11:43 < jeru> rxr: hmmm ... I've to give you my credits ... var_append makeopt seems to work ;)
11:52 < rxr> good ,-)
11:54 < rxr> linux26 still build -> /me more work in the kitchen ...
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12:06 < rxr> ounm - still crunching ...
12:07 < jeru> damn .... pluto Makefile seems to be bad ... not using exported CFLAGS
12:11 < rxr> do you set the CFLAGS ?
12:12 < jeru> yep
12:15 < rxr> load average: 7.39, 5.30, 4.47
12:16 < jeru> uhm ???
12:16 < rxr> my athlon busy building ...
12:16 < jeru> seems to be yquite hard for the poor Athlon ;)
12:17 < rxr> just killed the Build-Target away
12:17 < rxr> I want my DRM module sooner ...
12:18 < rxr> ok - /me off to grab the vacuum cleaner ...
12:34 < rxr> well - this DSL connection really nearly rocks like a QSC one
12:35 < jeru> nice :)
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12:36 < jeru> but compiling strongswan with LDAP support fails ... it just works if I hardcode the include path openldap in the Makefile
12:36 < jeru> have to take a look on it later :|
12:37 < rxr> use the GCC_WRAPPER to teach it about includes ...
12:37 < rxr> drivers/video/sis/osdef.h:101:2: warning: #warning Neither CONFIG_FB_SIS_300 nor CONFIG_FB_SIS_315 is set
12:37 < rxr> drivers/video/sis/osdef.h:102:2: warning: #warning sisfb will not work!
12:37 < rxr> *lol*
12:37 < minto_> jeru: Is there no configure for the ldap include path. I currently work on a package (jabberd) that has the same thing
12:38 < rxr> minto_: var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND " " "-I ...."
12:39 < minto_> rxr: Maybe no need for that. Configure has --with-extra-include-path option.
12:46 < rxr> .oO(how I hate configures checkking for fortran, c++, and what else whta they obviously not need ...)
12:46 < rxr> ..
12:48 < rxr> oh - my kernel is in the final module loop ...
12:51 < CIA-9> rene * r8222 /trunk/package/base/linux26/disable-broken.lst:
12:51 < CIA-9> * flushed the linux26/disable-broken.lst quite a lot - The very old
12:51 < CIA-9> blacklist does not apply anymore and included stuff like vitial
12:51 < CIA-9> SCSI drivers and the radeon DRM module ...
13:03 < rxr> checking for glitz >= 0.4.1... Requested 'glitz >= 0.4.1' but version of libglitz is 0.4.0
13:03 < rxr> ?!?!
13:03 < rxr> I just updated it yesterday ....
13:03 < rxr> :-(((
13:04 < rxr> LATEST-glitz-0.4.0
13:04 < rxr> guess I need some CVS snapshot ...
13:05 < jeru> minto_: strongswan has no configure script
13:05 < rxr> configure.in 1.18 19 hours davidr Bump version to 0.4.2
13:06 < rxr> 6 weeks ago
13:06 < rxr> Tue Mar 1 15:49:37 2005 UTC
13:06 < rxr> Changes since 1.16: +1 -1 lines davidr
13:06 < rxr> Log:
13:06 < rxr> Bump version to 0.4.1
13:06 < rxr> hm
13:08 < jeru> I guess I can stop my kernel build and do a svn up ;)
13:08 < jeru> rxr: perhaps the Radeon issue is part of my problem too
13:09 < jeru> but anyway ... I've to go now ... cu later
13:09 < rxr> cu jeru
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13:11 < rxr> hi tilix
13:17 < rxr> and I hate libtool ...
13:17 < rxr> su
13:18 < tilix> hi
13:18 < rxr> so - now I have all prerequisits claimed by configure to build Xgl ...
13:32 < rxr> ok - Xglx works basically ...
13:37 < minto_> Cool jabberd is building fine, now initialisation and I done.
13:37 < rxr> 3166 frames in 5.0 seconds = 633.200 FPS
13:37 < rxr> good
13:40 < minto_> rxr: Where can I read about how to use package .init files? Or maybe a good one for inspiration?
13:40 < rxr> oehm - any one - grab the exim one or so ..
13:40 < rxr> just copy it and alther the lines you need to
13:40 < minto_> Ack
13:51 < rxr> hi
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13:52 < rxr> hm - despite some redrawing errors ...
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13:59 < rxr> re
13:59 < rxr> ehrm - well - people
13:59 < rxr> I'm impressed
13:59 < rxr> rene@haudraufinix:~/x/transset$
13:59 < rxr> in 5.0 seconds = 633.200 FPS
13:59 < rxr> 13:37 < rxr> good
13:59 < rxr> 13:40 < minto_> rxr: Where can I read about how to use package .init files? Or maybe a good one for inspiration?
13:59 < rxr> 13:40 < rxr> oehm - any one - grab the exim one or so ..
13:59 < rxr> 13:40 < rxr> just copy it and alther the lines you need to
13:59 < rxr> 13:40 < minto_> Ack
13:59 < rxr> ouhm - well
14:00 < rxr> cut'n pasting betwen X's is that great
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14:00 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
14:00 -!- Topic set by valentin [] [Sun Apr 10 22:39:26 2005]
14:00 [Users #t2]
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14:00 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw_ ] [ mnemoc_] [ nzg ] [ rxr_] [ valentin]
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14:00 < minto_> rxr: exim .init file still contains the Rock copyright notice. Seems to be the same for all .init files. Some are even without any copyright notice at all (mpd, mouseemu, syslog-ng, ...)
14:01 < rxr_> ehrm - people
14:01 < rxr_> luminocity looks great
14:02 < rxr_> minto_: maybe we did not yet process .init files in the copyright patch ...
14:03 < rxr_> wow
14:03 < rxr_> damn
14:03 < rxr_> I think I find myself working in the pre-alpha eye candy soon
14:03 < rxr_> it makes you addictive to it ...
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14:08 < rxr_> 18171 rene 16 0 64180 16m 6188 S 67.3 3.2 3:19.39 luminocity
14:08 < rxr_> 18202 rene 15 0 24800 12m 4468 S 10.7 2.4 0:11.09 mplayer 3887 root 16 0 69088 23m 2248 R 9.4 4.7 2:41.67 X
14:08 < rxr_> 18167 rene 16 0 23972 22m 5300 R 7.8 4.4 0:16.78 Xfake
14:08 < rxr_> 18168 rene 15 0 64180 16m 6188 S 2.6 3.2 0:26.04 luminocity
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14:09 < jeru> re .... but at work
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14:24 < _jeru> rxr: have you succesfully build the updated kernel ?
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14:24 < rxr_> _jeru: yes
14:25 < rxr_> running the experimental X11-ng stuff right now ...
14:25 < rxr_> that is stressing hardware GL badly ...
14:28 < rxr_> people luminocity is so damn impressive ...
14:34 < _jeru> what's luminocity ?
14:36 -!- minto__ is now known as minto_
14:40 < rxr_> Segmentation fault (core dumped) Xglx -ac :1
14:40 < rxr_> http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog//xshots
14:40 < rxr_> tomorrow or so you will have a golem news about it ...
14:42 < CIA-9> rene * r8223 /trunk/package/x11-ng/transset/ (. transset.cache transset.conf transset.desc): * added transset (2005-04-01)
14:42 < rxr_> $ l */*/*.desc | wc -l
14:42 < rxr_> 1582
14:43 < rxr_> and 24 more when I package all the x11-modular stuff that is needed for Xgl and luminocity, including them both
14:44 * rxr_ shortly getting some food for lunch - cu
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15:13 < keinek> hi
15:14 < minto_> hi keinek
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16:01 < valentin> re
16:01 < valentin> http://www.heise.de/security/news/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=7796498&forum_id=76980
16:01 < valentin> Fenster ....
16:06 < rxr_> valentin: WoW !!!
16:06 < valentin> WoW ?
16:06 < rxr_> we also need such a good knowledge base ...
16:06 < rxr_> and translation team ...
16:07 < rxr_> and coders fixing security bugs in such a professional and quick way
16:07 < valentin> for f in /public/* ; do htpipe $f www.babelfish.com > $f.german ; done
16:08 < keinek> hey rxr
16:08 < keinek> look
16:08 < keinek> www.t2-project.com.ar
16:08 < keinek> :D
16:08 < valentin> advisory: some security problem. solution: unplug your network cable
16:08 < keinek> i will translate the web to spanish.
16:08 < valentin> keinek: :)
16:09 < keinek> :)
16:17 < _jeru> does anybody know the download location for qt windows version ?
16:17 < rxr_> not off hand
16:17 < valentin> trolltech.com ?
16:18 < _jeru> yeah ... but don't find the windows version for download there, and I thought they publish a GPL version for windows too
16:19 < _jeru> ok -> We plan to release an Open Source version of Qt for Windows when we release Qt 4.
16:19 < CIA-9> rene * r8224 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/: * removed preleminary 2.1.0-rc1 tag
16:20 < CIA-9> rene * r8225 /tags/2.1.0-beta4/: * tagged 2.1.0-beta4
16:30 < CIA-9> msluis * r8226 /trunk/package/network/jabberd/ (. jabberd.conf jabberd.desc jabberd.init postsysfiles.in): * added jabberd (2.0s7)
16:44 < rxr_> hm - I got a MMS
16:44 < rxr_> Vertragsinfo von o2 - sie 2kB ...
16:44 < rxr_> does anyone know if there is some new virus worm or whateer around?
16:47 < CIA-9> rene * r8227 /trunk/scripts/functions:
16:47 < CIA-9> * moved the autogen.sh invocation to a saner place and made it default
16:47 < CIA-9> from some sane constraints
16:47 < CIA-9> rene * r8228 /trunk/package/x11-ng/glitz/glitz.desc: * updated glitz (0.4.0 -> 0.4.1-CVS)
16:51 < CIA-9> msluis * r8229 /trunk/package/develop/alternatives/Makefile.patch: * added forgotten creation of alternatives data directories.
16:52 < CIA-9> chris * r8230 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.0-rc2 -> 0.9.0-rc3)
16:53 < CIA-9> rene * r8231 /trunk/scripts/functions:
16:53 < CIA-9> * removed debugging set -x / +x and moved the preconf hook before the
16:53 < CIA-9> autogen.sh run
16:57 < CIA-9> chris * r8232 /trunk/package/security/libpreludedb/libpreludedb.desc: * updated libpreludedb (0.9.0-rc3 -> 0.9.0-rc4)
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16:58 < CIA-9> msluis * r8233 /trunk/package/java/apache-ant/ (apache-ant.conf apache-ant.desc):
16:58 < CIA-9> * apache-ant converted from custmain to hooks.
16:58 < CIA-9> * uses $JAVA_HOME to find active jdk.
17:01 < CIA-9> chris * r8234 /trunk/package/security/prelude-lml/prelude-lml.desc: * updated prelude-lml (0.9.0-rc1 -> 0.9.0-rc2)
17:04 < CIA-9> msluis * r8235 /trunk/package/mail/mailman/mailman.conf: * removed double forward slash in python binary directory.
17:07 < _jeru> can somebody try this URL please ? http://www.honeyd.org
17:08 < rxr_> Could not connect to host www.honeyd.org.
17:08 < _jeru> hmmm .... http://www.nagios.org too
17:08 < _jeru> seems to be a bigger problem
17:11 < CIA-9> chris * r8236 /trunk/package/security/prelude-manager/prelude-manager.desc: * updated prelude-manager (0.9.0-rc1 -> 0.9.0-rc2)
17:13 < CIA-9> rene * r8237 /tags/2.1.0-beta4/scripts/parse-config: * injected version for -beta4 tag
17:20 < CIA-9> chris * r8238 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/prewikka.desc: * updated prewikka (0.9.0-rc3 -> 0.9.0-rc4)
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17:21 < sparc-kly> Linux sparc 2.4.29-sparc #2 SMP Tue Apr 12 23:14:25 GMT 2005 sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I (SpitFire) GNU/Linux
17:24 < rxr_> I run 2.6 on mine ...
17:25 < sparc-kly> sparc is more stable in 2.4 :D
17:25 < rxr_> I have no problems on mine - and the 32bit classic SPARC does not run at all with 2.4 *g
17:25 < sparc-kly> my DSL today sucks
17:25 < rxr_> *
17:26 < sparc-kly> what version of 2.6 you running ?
17:27 * sparc-kly compiling firefox in sun ultra 2 :D
17:28 * sparc-kly reboot modem
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17:46 * _jeru needs a traffic shaper at work ... to increase his bandwidth :)
17:46 < rxr_> hehe
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17:47 < jeru> hehe
17:47 < rxr> should I commit the /how many where that - 20 or so/ packages for x11-modular ?
17:47 < jeru> but my external server died or was shutted down :/
17:48 < jeru> I can't imagine a power loss in a hosting center
17:49 < _Ragnar_> already happened
17:49 < jeru> yep
17:49 < jeru> but it has booted the rescue image
17:50 < jeru> so I got a shell
17:51 < jeru> but the connection lags
17:52 < jeru> I'll need a good colocation facility in berlin
18:12 < CIA-9> chris * r8239 /trunk/package/security/ebtables/ebtables.conf: * added makeinstopt BINPATH for adjusting the install location
18:24 < rxr> hm - I have 25 x11-modular packages right now ... ,-)
18:30 * jeru is moving home now ... cu later
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18:32 * valentin moving home, too
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19:00 < keinek> hi
19:04 < rxr> hi
19:13 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:17 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_
19:17 < _Ragnar_> hi rxr
19:17 < _Ragnar_> how goes?
19:26 < minto_> rxr: Why does pkginstalled (script/functions) look (below stage 9) in $base/config/$config/packages and only in stage 9 at the package already built (var/adm/packages)?
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19:26 < jeru> re
19:27 < minto_> Hi jeru, it took you almost an hour to get home. Traffic jam?
19:27 < minto_> :-)
19:28 < jeru> minto_: damn ... the police is observing me ;)
19:29 < jeru> minto_: but no traffic jam .... it was more a supermarket jam
19:29 < minto_> Yepp, the downside of technology.
19:31 < jeru> minto_: btw, how long does it take normaly ?
19:32 < minto_> Dunno, I am no longer with the police, remember.
19:33 < jeru> ah ok ... and no "whistle-blower" anymore ? ;)
19:34 < minto_> jeru: I was just guessing. I previous job nearly took me an hour to get home without traffic jam.
19:34 < minto_> s/i/My
19:34 * jeru is switching into serious mode now
19:34 < rxr> minto_: because when a joe user builds a package the information ouf the _installed_ packages should be used (stage9)
19:35 < rxr> however for target builds it is important to check if they are in the to-be-build list, so the build aborts when a missing dependency has not yet been built ...
19:36 < jeru> rxr: have read the current Linux-Magazin ? ... I laughed about the debian vote discussions ...
19:37 < minto_> rxr: Should they not check if really build instead of to be build. When I do
19:37 < minto_> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg fileserver -job 5-jboss-as
19:37 < minto_> For two different packages, where the second depends on the first, Then it says the dependant package has not yet been build.
19:38 < minto_> on the build of the second package.
19:39 < rxr> minto_: no - it should exactly be as it is implemented intentionally
19:39 < rxr> minto_: to track those priority number problems as soon as possible
19:39 < rxr> (as long as we have this ugly static priority we really need to get rid of)
19:45 < minto_> rxr: I have looked at it again and noticed the difference between pkginstalled and pkgprefix. So in the manual case I described, pkginstalled could return false even if pkgprefix does work properly.
19:46 < rxr> hm - I do not know off hand what pkgprefix will do for a not installed package - doesn't it return "false", too ?
19:47 < minto_> At stage 5 pkginstalled uses the to-be-build list and pkgprefix uses var/adm/packages. The difference probable only occurs in case of manually building several packages.
19:47 < rxr> ah - manual case as in -job 5-* ...
19:48 < rxr> yes that is correct ...
19:48 < minto_> Yepp
19:50 < rxr> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10282
19:51 < rxr> the first comment is cool
20:15 < CIA-9> chris * r8240 /trunk/package/develop/libevent/libevent.desc: * updated libevent (1.0b -> 1.0c)
20:32 < CIA-9> msluis * r8241 /trunk/package/java/jboss-as/ (. jboss-as.conf jboss-as.desc jboss-as.init postsysfiles.in): * added jboss (4.0.1sp1)
20:39 < valentin> re
20:44 < rxr> -beta4 release announcement sent out
20:49 < CIA-9> chris * r8242 /trunk/package/develop/libdnet/ (. libdnet.desc): * added libdnet (1.10)
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20:58 < sepp> hi
20:58 < jeru> hi sepp
21:11 < CIA-9> chris * r8243 /trunk/package/network/honeyd/ (. config.hlp config.in honeyd.conf honeyd.desc): * added honeyd (1.0)
21:15 < sepp> one thing about stone / network - if you enter a hostname it does not update hosts
21:15 < CIA-9> chris * r8244 /trunk/package/develop/libdnet/libdnet.desc: * adjusted the build priority
21:27 < rxr> lm_sensors 2.9.1
21:27 < rxr> Asymptote 0.73
21:30 < valentin> those Asymptote guys have a quite fast release cycle
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21:37 < rxr> hehe
21:37 < rxr> if you feel to update it ,-)
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22:09 < sepp> oehm worg crashed again
22:09 < sepp> xorg*
22:20 < rxr> :-(
22:24 < sepp> ohhh no again this nvidia crap
22:24 < sepp> Call Trace: [] _nv006451rm+0x55/0x74 [nvidia] ...
22:25 * sepp reboots
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22:26 < CIA-9> msluis * r8245 /trunk/Documentation/Developers/REGISTER: * registerd jabber user and group name (forgotten in r8226)
22:27 < rxr> .oO
22:30 < CIA-9> msluis * r8246 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * Changed jboss user id in 390 also registered now (see r8241).
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22:31 < minto_> That's it for today, gn8 all
22:32 < sepp> good night minto_
22:41 < rxr> cu minto_
22:41 < jeru> good night minto_
22:43 < jeru> strongswan now builds with curl + ldap support without touching the damn Makefiles yet ;)
22:48 < rxr> ,-)
22:49 < jeru> rxr: seems that the install docu are as evil as the code of freeswan you mentioned ;)
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22:50 < jeru> rxr: and everywhere there is a "
22:50 < jeru> Under Gentoo emerge strongSwan with
22:50 < jeru> USE="curl -ssl" emerge strongswan
22:50 < jeru> " blah blah
22:51 < jeru> gentoo is patching the Makefiles + exporting the vars ...
22:56 < rxr> :-)
22:58 * sepp is building/testing warm rain
22:59 < sepp> for x86
22:59 < rxr> .oO(I hope it builds reasonable well)
23:00 < sepp> at least i can report problems
23:01 < jeru> rxr: btw, gentoo is not able to patch the kernel automagically ... they just give a note to install a ipsec capable kernel
23:03 < rxr> 23:04 < rxr> in gentoo much stuff is not automatic ...
23:04 < jeru> hmmm ... I slowly realize it ;)
23:04 < jeru> hehe
23:09 < rxr> on all ebuilds I looked into my stomarch turned over ...
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23:11 < jeru> but there still waits an interesting crypto token and smartcard support to be implemented
23:12 < rxr> hehe ,-(
23:12 < rxr> ) even
23:13 < rxr> we need to link to distrowatch from some places - so we increase our ranking on their side ...
23:15 < rxr> btw. as we mentioned already - we ("ExactCode") /might/ get some a tiny (read very under payed) salary to create a good custom Linux distribution for a German magazin ...
23:15 < sepp_> i started to work on a poster today ;)
23:15 < rxr> we'll know the final word tomorrow - just that you already are a bit informed when we might post more the list then
23:16 < rxr> nothing to get rich - but if we get this - we will get a state of the ard LiveCD for T2 including graphical rock net frontend and kde / gnome and OOO polishing ...
23:16 < rxr> sepp_: ,-)
23:16 < sepp_> i dropped inkscape its way too unstable
23:17 < rxr> sepp_: inkscape worked quite well for me so far - but the latest version was indeed a bit instable - the versions before nearly never crashed ...
23:17 < sepp_> same thing here
23:18 < sepp_> latest version is really buggy
23:18 < sepp_> 0.41
23:18 < rxr> sepp_: what do you use now ?
23:18 < sepp_> a non oss 3d app
23:19 < sepp_> but i want to render with aqsis
23:19 < jeru> rxr: well, a nice T2 live cd ... :)
23:19 < sepp_> something like the ct tux pictures
23:20 < rxr> sepp_: nice ,-)
23:20 < rxr> our blender package should also work quite well - however I have not yet done major work in blender
23:20 < sepp_> i am sorry but blender sucks
23:20 * jeru thinks sepp has some graphical experience and can provide nice graphics for the web ;)
23:20 < rxr> in the past I used AutoCAD and the 3D Max thing a bit - however mootly for technical stuff - not too much "art"
23:21 < rxr> sepp_: due to user interface? or more ?
23:21 < sepp_> i like maya/renderman ...
23:21 < sepp_> yes the gui
23:22 < sepp_> the way to model ...
23:23 < rxr> I'm awaiting your artwork
23:23 < sepp_> and i saw the code - damn they put a char into a int and % 'key'
23:23 < jeru> rxr: btw, I don't tweak a lot on the default plone skin. I'll use a minimalistic version that we can tweak together. Atm I've not the time to play with CSS! ;)
23:23 < rxr> if you feel to it would be nice if you would take some snapshots on the way - I would find the evolution of your designs interesting
23:23 < rxr> jeru: no problem
23:24 < sepp_> rxr: you saw my 2d t2 logo idea ?
23:24 < rxr> if the base is good (read editing navigation and such) I can do CSS work
23:24 < rxr> yes - the "horn"? interesting ,-)
23:24 < sepp_> its part of the gnu head
23:25 < jeru> rxr: I've made a simple "Product" for plone called "T2PloneSkin". All CSS work can be done there ;)
23:27 < rxr> does anyone have an idea why C-s does not do incremetal forward search in your bash?
23:27 < rxr> but instead this annoying scroll lock ?
23:31 < rxr> stty -a
23:31 < rxr> stop = ^S
23:31 < rxr> hm - now how to disable this ...
23:31 < rxr> I guess I'm not the only one that would like to see a change in that default for T2, right ?
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23:34 < _Ragnar_> rxr: ctrl+s is pretty standard for freeze output
23:34 < rxr> but isn't it also pretty annoying ?
23:34 < _Ragnar_> sometimes;D
23:34 < rxr> googling bash ctrl+s gives lots of hits
23:34 < rxr> and the bash manual stats C-s as incremental search forward ...
23:38 < _Ragnar_> well one can always reassign it to another key
23:38 < rxr> hm - on FreeBSD this is also the default setup - sigh ...
23:39 < rxr> _Ragnar_: it took me 2 years to find out that occational xterm freezes are due to once in the week hitting C-s while typing fast ...
23:39 < _Ragnar_> really?
23:39 < rxr> I do not find that particularly user friendly ...
23:39 < rxr> yes? How should I know that ?
23:39 < rxr> I mean you type and then - blob - freeze ...
23:39 < _Ragnar_> they told us that in our first programming/unix courses
23:39 < rxr> and you do not even know what key it was
23:40 < rxr> I encountered Linux / Unix on my own - and never had the need for such a scroll lock thing ...
23:40 < _Ragnar_> you never worked on a mainframe?:)
23:40 < rxr> the scroll lock key alone is already as useless as the capslock key ...
23:40 < rxr> why would I want to have C-s then ...
23:40 < rxr> _Ragnar_: not really ..
23:41 < _Ragnar_> the ^S is a legacy from then, when you could actually read the output while it was sent from the program
23:42 < _Ragnar_> and ^Z/fg took a few seconds until you got a new time slice
23:43 < rxr> aha ,-)
23:44 < _Ragnar_> ^Q unlocks the screen again
23:44 < _Ragnar_> more confusing is ^A^S in screen ;)
23:44 < rxr> well - I know the ^Q since I found out my occational terminal freeze was due to ^s beeing scroll lock
23:44 < _Ragnar_> :D
23:45 < rxr> however I would like to disable this "feature" and get ^s as incremental forward search ...
23:45 < rxr> I guess stty ?
23:47 < _Ragnar_> stty stop ^\ or something like that
23:48 < rxr> yeah - ,-)
23:49 < rxr> ok - enough for today ...
23:49 < rxr> when we get the ok tomorrow a lot of livecd stuff will come ...
23:49 < rxr> and I need to enter the sleep cycle now - n8 all
23:49 < _Ragnar_> gn8 & sleep well
23:50 < rxr> _Ragnar_: now that I have a C-s fix I will *g*
23:50 < _Ragnar_> =)
23:53 < sepp> good night all
23:55 < jeru> good night
--- Log closed Thu Apr 14 00:00:04 2005