--- Log opened Sat Apr 09 00:00:04 2005
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00:11 < sepp_> ohh no i have a pdf of my mdb in my inbox 
00:13 < jsaw> ?
00:14 < sepp_> about german position about software patents
00:14 < sepp_> thats a bad joke
00:15 < jsaw> .oO
00:18 < valentin> what does it say ?
00:18 < sepp_> home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/05-04-08_Softwarepatente.pdf
00:19 < sepp_> at least she sent a pdf
00:22 < valentin> it is the default pdf they send everyone
00:23 < sepp_> its not the clement pdf
00:23 < sepp_> is it the default one?
00:23 < valentin> i think it is the same text
00:24 < valentin> i am quite sure i read all those stuff before
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00:24 < jsaw> "durchaus fuer sinnvoll"
00:24 < jsaw> pah
00:24 < sepp_> ahhh
00:25 < valentin> and 30% out of the 7% of german sw pat holders ....
00:25 < valentin> quite much compared to the 74% that us and jap have 
00:25 < valentin> here in the EU
00:25 < jsaw> yeah, that's the best... software patents which are not yet allowed...
00:26 < valentin> http://wiki.ffii.org/Bmwa0503De
00:26 < valentin> ok, text is a bit different but most relevant parts have been copied
00:27 < sepp_> changed a bit ...
00:28 < valentin> i think all mdb have something like a white-paper template how to answer such questions
00:28 < sepp_> hmm 1 month to send me a changed pdf ...
00:29 < sepp_> democracy really works - *rotfl*
00:30 < valentin> if we had real "democracy" in the eu we would have sw pats
00:31 < valentin> because most "normal" people do not know what it is about - and if they had to choose .... .oO
00:31 < sepp_> we would have  capital punishment
00:31 < mnemoc> rehi
00:32 < jsaw> valentin: may I object... real "democracy" in my opinion includes that the people are willing to contribute...
00:32 < valentin> one big marketing campain by M$ and they all would fall to it - billigates is such a sympathic character and the greatest and most innovative programmer in the computer world. he can't be wrong
00:32 < jsaw> so we have neither a democratic society nor democratic leaders...
00:33 < valentin> jsaw: ok
00:33 < mnemoc> uthopic democracy doesn't work on real world, on any real work.
00:34  * sepp_ prepares for if not not not not not not not not 
00:35 < mnemoc> me liked old theoric democracy times (solon) where democracy meaned justice and not dumb equality
00:36 < sepp_> i think only one who understands the topic should vote
00:36 < valentin> sepp_: that would be dangerous, too
00:36 < mnemoc> that is facism
00:36 < sepp_> no
00:36 < sepp_> i dont think so
00:36 < valentin> who decides ho is allowed to vote and who not ?
00:37 < sepp_> facism means one decides everything
00:37 < sepp_> rfc's work ???
00:37 < mnemoc> no, that's not the original facism
00:37 < jsaw> I think sepp meant it more in a self-controlled way...
00:37 < sepp_> yes
00:37 < valentin> ok
00:37 < sepp_> like a rfc
00:37 < sepp_> if you sent bullshit you are ignored
00:37 < valentin> i have mistaken you :)
00:38 < valentin> but who decides which rfc to take ?
00:38 < mnemoc> the 'counsil'
00:38 < valentin> the eu commision had their rfc made by "independend consultants"
00:38 < mnemoc> define "independent"
00:38 < jsaw> and who controls the counsil... constrols the counsil that controls the counsil...
00:39 < jsaw> ad infinitum
00:39 < sepp_> maybe my idea does not work but democracy also does not work
00:39 < valentin> i.e experts from huge companies had access to the commision tables, the small developers not
00:39 < jsaw> If you find one righteous person, there may be hope...
00:39 < valentin> as long as democracy is made behind closed doors it is no real democracy
00:40 < sepp_> but this is what we call democracy right now
00:40 < valentin> jsaw: there even was one in sodom, so ...
00:40 < sepp_> hehe
00:40 < mnemoc> i like classic conceptions :) e.g. clistenes athenian constitution
00:40 < jsaw> :)
00:40 < mnemoc> if you do a dumb law, you pay the damages
00:40 < mnemoc> if you object a good law, you mapy the damages
00:40 < sepp_> if i find 100 / 10 / 1 ... in sodom
00:41 < jsaw> .oO(should have read those stuff mnemoc is talking about)
00:41 < mnemoc> :)
00:41 < mnemoc> solon and clistenes wrote cool stuff
00:41 < valentin> mnemoc: today it is like this: if you do a "good law" you get extra payment
00:42 < jsaw> .oO(should continue writing thesis, clock's ticking..)
00:42 < valentin> jsaw: when do you have to finish ?
00:42 < jsaw> 25th
00:42 < valentin> oha
00:42 < valentin> that is close
00:42 < mnemoc> jsaw: year?
00:42 < valentin> :)
00:42 < jsaw> hehe
00:43 < jsaw> me and my boss are always joking "this should be finished before xmas"... (but we never agree about which xmas)
00:43 < sepp_> hehe
00:43 < mnemoc> will you stay there after thesis?
00:44 < jsaw> if I pass, yes.
00:45 < valentin> i need some sleep
00:45 < mnemoc> jsaw: ad eternum?
00:45 < jsaw> :)
00:45 < jsaw> :]
00:45 < jsaw> no
00:46 < mnemoc> yes or no? ;)
00:46 < jsaw> in europe, as scientist, you have to go on the tramp
00:46 < valentin> just a good one for sleep (german only :()
00:46 < valentin> http://matheplanet.com/matheplanet/nuke/html/viewtopic.php?topic=34740
00:47 < mnemoc> in chile, as scientist, you have try to move to europe
00:47 < valentin> mnemoc: come over here
00:47 < jsaw> so what happens in germany is this: you're not allowed to stay in one institute for too long (here, 6 years), then ppl go to america, once they did something interesting, the institutes try to get them back...
00:47 < mnemoc> i'm not a scientist :)
00:47 < mnemoc> the only thing i know i am is father :)
00:48 < valentin> many people in computer _science_ are no scientists
00:48 < mnemoc> :D
00:49 < mnemoc> i would love to see my children grow on a place with such diveristy and history like europe
00:50 < jsaw> funny, my american friend here always tells me the same thing
00:50 < sepp_> hmm my .pt friend tells me the same thing
00:50 < mnemoc> american=US?
00:50 < valentin> many young people here want do go to south america
00:51 < jsaw> mnemoc: oh, sorry, yes US-american
00:51 < mnemoc> valentin: south america is just plain
00:51 < mnemoc> no history, no culture, no science, no diversity, no ...
00:51 < mnemoc> but it is quite
00:51 < jsaw> well, I'd like to stay longer but I really have to concentrate... cu all soon
00:52 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 
00:52 < sepp_> cu jsaw 
00:52 < valentin> ok, cu
01:02 < valentin> gn8
01:05 < sepp_> good night all
01:06 < mnemoc> n8 valentin, sepp_ 
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01:32 < _jeru> re ... somebody out there ?
01:32 < _jeru> :D
01:32 < _Ragnar_> 'is there anybody out there?'
01:32 < _Ragnar_> :D
01:33 < _jeru> hi Ragnar 
01:33 < _jeru> so you're still awake ... 
01:34 < _jeru> forget about this question ... just a rethorical one :D
01:34 < _jeru> mnemoce: SYN
01:34 < _Ragnar_> =)
01:37  * _jeru was invited by the company he works for to do some bowling  today ... so I had to drink a lot of beer 
01:38 < _Ragnar_> :D nice
01:38 < _jeru> but was quite successful :)
01:38 < _Ragnar_> you _had to_?:)
01:38 < _jeru> nope ...
01:39 < mnemoc> mnemoc-syn ?
01:40 < _Ragnar_> :D
01:40 < _jeru> the problem is, the people are quite nice regarding these events. but during a normal working day they suck my brain.
01:40 < _jeru> mnemoc: ACK
01:40 < _Ragnar_> aww
01:40 < _jeru> mnemoc: so how is status 
01:41 < _jeru> SMB LDAP working 
01:41 < _jeru> or shouldn't I ask ?
01:57 < mnemoc> not yet :\
01:57 < mnemoc> me fighting ldap/back_meta
01:57 < _jeru> why meta backend ?
01:58 < _jeru> do have another LDAP server there ?
01:58 < _jeru> thought you're migrating from N
02:01 < mnemoc> i need to use back_meta to get the virtual namingContext i need for DNS
02:10 < mnemoc> _jeru: OT: libsafe is not a priority problem, priority is to be sure you have the libs built
02:11 < mnemoc> _jeru: on stage 9 you know all posible dependencies are already built
02:11 < mnemoc> _jeru: in this case libprelude
02:11 < mnemoc> _jeru: libsafe didn't saw libprelude on stage 5 due to priority
02:12 < _jeru> ahhh ... I'll take a look on it tomorrow eh today ... I'm quite tired ... ;)
02:12 < mnemoc> _jeru: but the error on stage 9 means, libprelude is detected but libsafe can't use it properly
02:12 < mnemoc> _jeru: sure, i just wanted to use my last 3 minutes in something usefull
02:12 < mnemoc> _jeru: like explaining that :)
02:12 < _jeru> I like to get sth explained ;=
02:12 < _jeru> :D
02:13 < _jeru> I'll ask for help at #prelude ... yoann should able to give me some points
02:13 < mnemoc> i guess it's just a missing -I or -L :)
02:14  * _jeru thinks that too :)
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05:09 < CIA-9> amery * r8110 /trunk/package/x11/wxwidgets24/ (collision.patch gtk.patch locale.patch wxwidgets24.cache): * injected copyright note and cache file for wxwidgets24
05:11 < CIA-9> amery * r8111 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
05:11 < CIA-9> * updated wxwidgets (2.5.3.1 -> 2.5.4.1)
05:11 < CIA-9> * updated wxpython (2.5.3.1 -> 2.5.4.1)
05:12 < CIA-9> amery * r8112 /trunk/package/x11/fox/fox.desc: * updated fox (1.4.8 -> 1.4.11)
05:18 < keinek> hey guy
05:18 < keinek> guys*
05:18 < keinek> know someone keylog for linux?
05:20 < CIA-9> amery * r8113 /trunk/misc/tail/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * reorganized misc/tail to allow an easier automatized installation of init, cron and desktop files
05:22 < mnemoc> are you spying people now?
05:22 < keinek> hahaa no.... ok... meaby.
05:22 < keinek> :P
06:00 < keinek> mandrake now is mandriva
06:00 < keinek> hahahaha
06:10 < mnemoc> uhm?
06:11 < keinek> yes... chage of name
06:12 < keinek> Mandrake and Conectiva 
06:12 < keinek> one fussion.
06:12 < keinek> :)
06:12 < keinek> Mandriva
06:12 < keinek> jejeje
06:12 < keinek> www.elotrolado.net
06:12 < mnemoc> pff
06:38 < CIA-9> amery * r8114 /trunk/package/kde/kdebase/ (kdm.cron kdm.postinstall): * renamed kdm.cron to kdm.postinstall, it was only renamed on .conf when the massive change happened.
06:44 < CIA-9> amery * r8115 /trunk/scripts/Create-CopyPatch: * improved Create-CopyPatch to also patch .cron and .postinstall files
06:59 < CIA-9> amery * r8116 /trunk/ (13 files in 5 dirs): * automatized install_cron into misc/tail/install_cron.in, based on .cron files
07:01 < mnemoc> :)
07:13 < CIA-9> amery * r8117 /trunk/package/ (8 files in 8 dirs): * injected/updated copyright notes on .postintall files
08:15 < rxr> re
08:21 < rxr>  The Global File System 6.1-pre21 
08:21 < rxr> we should package that one day, too
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09:19 < freedy> hi all
09:25 < rxr> hi freedy 
09:25 [Users #t2]
09:25 [ _Ragnar_] [ Davidcc6] [ jsaw  ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr  ] [ sparc-kly] 
09:25 [ CIA-9   ] [ freedy  ] [ keinek] [ nzg   ] [ sepp_] [ valentin ] 
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09:26 < freedy> hi rxr, du bist auch immer wach ;)
09:28 < rxr> nicht immer ,-)
09:55 < rxr> grmbl
09:55 < rxr> PPC1-Bug>pboot 14 0 0                                                           
09:55 < rxr> Booting from: PBC-EIDEF1, Controller 14, Drive 0                                
09:55 < rxr> Device Name : /pci@80000000/pci1106,571@b,1/harddisk@0                          
09:55 < rxr> Loading: Operating System                                                        
09:55 < rxr> Bootable Partition Table Entry Not Found 
09:58 < rxr>  ok ...
09:58 < rxr> pboot 14 0 1
09:59 < rxr> is what ppcbug likes ...
09:59 < rxr> so - kernel is comming from the compact flash now ...
10:02 < rxr> ah - the former should have worked now that I made the partition 41 - PReP boot, too ... - 0 is boot from fist bootable ...
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10:21 < rxr> hm - where to store ssh host keys on a read only compact flash system ...
10:39  * rxr preparing a generic embedded target
10:39 < rxr> does ping time out ?
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10:45 < rxr> so - now a tmpfs and squashfs enabled kernel runnin on ght Motorola embedded board ,-)
10:46 < rxr> and my athlon is cross compiling the neded squasfs fs ...
10:52 < rxr> oehm ...
10:53 < rxr> the embedded board is faster than my rs6k ...
10:53 < rxr> it is still running from the NFS mounted root ... in fact my rs6k root exported and compiling a tiny C++ test is faster on the embedded box ...
10:54 < rxr> rs6k:
10:54 < rxr> time g++ /root/hello.cc
10:54 < rxr> real    0m4.496s
10:54 < rxr> user    0m3.861s
10:54 < rxr> sys     0m0.403s
10:54 < rxr> the embedded boards:
10:54 < rxr> real    0m3.546s
10:54 < rxr> user    0m3.251s
10:54 < rxr> sys     0m0.222s
10:54 < rxr> using the exact same binary ...
11:24 < CIA-9> rene * r8118 /trunk/target/psion-pda/ (build_image.sh config.in kernel.conf parse-config): 
11:24 < CIA-9> * injected some readability newlines and converted target name hard-
11:24 < CIA-9>  codings to $target
11:35 < CIA-9> rene * r8119 /trunk/package/base/less/less.conf: * fixed less for cross builds (not install files outside build root)
11:47 < CIA-9> rene * r8120 /trunk/misc/tools-source/install_wrapper.sh: 
11:47 < CIA-9> * fixed the install_wrapper to always remove the -s --strip option from
11:47 < CIA-9>  install invocations. This fixes at least mmv for cross builds - but
11:47 < CIA-9>  potentially many more packages for cross builds. The stripping is
11:47 < CIA-9>  controlled by injecting -s to gcc invocations by T2 anyway.
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12:02 < rxr> hi jdavid_ 
12:07 < CIA-9> rene * r8121 /trunk/package/base/libpcap/libpcap.conf: * fixed libpcap for cross compilation
12:12 < rxr> 19M     initrd/
12:12 < rxr> 6.5M    image
12:13 < rxr> squashfs compressed
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12:30 < minto> Moin
12:31 < rxr> hi minto 
12:32 < CIA-9> rene * r8122 /trunk/target/embedded/ (11 files): * addded a generic embedded target
12:35 < valentin> moin
12:36 < rxr> moin valentin 
12:37 < CIA-9> rene * r8123 /trunk/target/dietlibc/: * removed obsolete dietlibc target
12:44 < CIA-9> rene * r8124 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * removed no longer existing rene repository from desktop/config.in
12:46 < valentin> martins mailbox is full
12:46 < rxr> I read it ...
12:46 < rxr> valentin: ignore those list errors - when they accumulate I take a look ...
12:47 < valentin> why do i get those bounces send back ?
12:47 < rxr> they go to info@ IIRC ...
12:51 < rxr> valentin: I just started hacking on the live CD target
12:52 < valentin> :)
12:52 < valentin> rxr: fruehlingsputz in t2 ?
12:53 < rxr> due to rm dietlibc target *g* ?
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12:53 < valentin> and livecd, yes
12:53 < sepp> moin
12:53 < rxr> moin sepp 
12:53 < rxr> valentin: a state of the art livedc is long overdue ...
12:55 < sepp> something changed with gcc latly? i get gnu/stubs.h: No such file or directory in the new installed t2
12:55 < rxr> and well - we might need the livecd in action, soon ,-)
12:55 < rxr> sepp: ouhm ...
12:55 < rxr> sepp: only in the installed system ?
12:55 < rxr> e.g. not during build ?
12:55 < sepp> rxr: yes
12:55 < rxr> sepp: when did you built ?
12:55 < sepp> rxr: only in the installed sys
12:56 < sepp> rxr: last night
12:56 < rxr> you built last night and installed already ?
12:56 < sepp> i did a Built-Target to test my loop-aes patch
12:56 < sepp> yes
12:56 < rxr> oh
12:56 < rxr> sepp: maybe this is due to olists ...
12:56 < sepp> at least loop-aes works :)
12:57 < sepp> but i can not create a diff because perl is also broken
12:57 < rxr> sepp: is gnu/stubs.h in the glibc olist in build/.../var/adm/olists/glibc ?
12:57 < rxr> the only major change done was olists ...
12:58 < sepp> glibc: usr/include/gnu/stubs.h
12:58 < sepp> in olists 
12:58 < rxr> more?
12:58 < rxr> or is that the only file ?
12:58 < sepp> glibc: usr/include/bits/syscall.h
12:58 < sepp> glibc: usr/include/gnu/stubs.h
12:58 < sepp> glibc: usr/lib/gconv
12:58 < sepp> glibc: usr/libexec
12:58 < sepp> glibc: usr/libexec/getconf
12:58 < sepp> glibc: usr/share/i18n
12:59 < sepp> glibc: usr/share/i18n/charmaps
12:59 < sepp> and many locales
12:59 < rxr> hm
13:00 < rxr> ok stubs.h most probably fixed ...
13:01 < rxr> can you review your builds olists and post some comments which ones are alarming ?
13:01 < rxr> I see most if not all directories go into the olist - what should be work arounded, too ...
13:01 < CIA-9> rene * r8125 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: 
13:01 < CIA-9> * most probably fixed glibc.conf to always touch gnu/stubs.h (due to
13:01 < CIA-9>  new olists handling)
13:01 < sepp> with alarming you mean what?
13:04 < rxr> files that are important and show up in those files ...
13:04 < sepp> i have 336k olists
13:05 < sepp> :(
13:05 < rxr> can you tar them up and publish them via http:// or so ?
13:05 < rxr> sepp: what kind of target was your build ?
13:05 < sepp> yes
13:05 < sepp> a relative small 350 package build
13:05 < sepp> no gnome / kde ...
13:07 < sepp> rxr: http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/olists.tar.gz
13:09 < sepp> every file of perl is in the olist
13:10 < rxr> sepp: can you review why this is so? (for perl)
13:10 < rxr> tihs should only happen when the files are not reinstalled or touched or so ...
13:10 < rxr> guess perl has some smart "if files are equal do nothing" check on istall ...
13:11 < rxr> such a check must be removed 
13:11 < rxr> sepp: you read why we want olist? (orhpaned file lists) ?
13:11 < sepp> yes but i need to boot the old t2 this one is fubar
13:11 < sepp> yes
13:11 < sepp> brb
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13:11 < rxr> hm - many directories end up in the olist ...
13:11 < rxr> I think I'll fix that first ...
13:12 < rxr> it is not that important - but messes up the directory ownership tracking ...
13:12 < rxr> and then there are many files that are really not reinstalled / touched ..
13:12 < rxr> like config files of pam or the dietlibc ld.conf and such ..,.
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13:15 < sepp> re
13:15 < rxr> hi sepp 
13:15 < rxr> 13:11 < rxr> hm - many directories end up in the olist ...
13:15 < rxr> 13:11 < rxr> I think I'll fix that first ...
13:15 < rxr> 13:12 < rxr> it is not that important - but messes up the directory ownership  tracking ...
13:15 < rxr> 13:12 < rxr> and then there are many files that are really not reinstalled /  touched ..
13:15 < rxr> 13:12 < rxr> like config files of pam or the dietlibc ld.conf and such ..,.
13:16  * rxr shortly off to getting food into the house ...
13:49 < sepp> rxr: the olist/perl thing, it checks the olist of stage 3
13:50 < sepp> cp -f var/adm/flists/$xpkg $builddir/flist.txt.old
13:50 < sepp> in stage 7
13:51 < sepp> fist of stage 3*
13:51 < sepp> flist*
13:52 < rxr> valentin: /doc/ excluded:
13:52 < rxr> 13M     rootfs
13:52 < rxr> 4.6M    rootfs.squashfs
13:53 < rxr> sepp: this looks right - the orphaned code always checks the prev. build against the actual build ...
13:53 < rxr> sepp: can it be that perl does not reinstall the files (due to no changes or so) and thus the files are not installed in stage 7 ?
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13:57 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | @CeBIT Hall 6 H30-532
13:57 -!- Topic set by ao [] [Wed Mar 16 09:21:34 2005]
13:57 [Users #t2]
13:57 [ _Ragnar_] [ jeru  ] [ minto ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 
13:57 [ CIA-9   ] [ jsaw  ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_] [ valentin ] 
13:57 [ jdavid_ ] [ keinek] [ nzg   ] [ sepp] 
13:57 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
13:57 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug  8 21:15:33 2004
13:58 < jeru> sepp: cool :)
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13:58 < rxr_> rehi
13:59 < rxr_> what was the last post you got from me ?
13:59 < jeru> hi  rxr
13:59 < rxr_> hi jeru 
13:59 < sepp> 13:51 < rxr> 4.6M    rootfs.squashfs
13:59 < sepp> rxr: http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/loop-aes.patch.bz2 , i put the fat patch there
13:59 < sepp> i tested it over night, works :)
13:59 < rxr_> 13:53 < rxr> sepp: this looks right - the orphaned code always checks the prev.  build against the actual build ...
13:59 < rxr_> 13:53 < rxr> sepp: can it be that perl does not reinstall the files (due to no  changes or so) and thus the files are not installed in stage 7 ?
14:00 < sepp> hmm
14:00 < sepp> let me check
14:05 < sepp> yes
14:05 < sepp> it does not install all files in stage 7
14:05 < rxr_> and why not ?
14:05 < rxr_> some cmp or so ?
14:06 < sepp> mhh good question
14:06 < sepp> "./perl installperl --destdir=" is diff. in stage 3 an 7
14:07 < rxr_> diff ???
14:07 < sepp> make[3]: Entering directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.perl.1113038855.1824.0/perl-5.8.6'
14:07 < sepp> make[3]: `lib/re.pm' is up to date.
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14:09 < valentin> rxr: 4.6M that is not bad
14:09 < sepp> ./perl installperl --destdir=  does not overwrite is up to date files
14:09 < sepp> in stage 7
14:09 < rxr_> sepp: well - I would vote to patch this check away ...
14:13 < sepp> can i keep src dirs if pkg does not fail?
14:14 < rxr_> hm - do not remeber off hand ..
14:14 < rxr_> I usuall add a quick hook_add postmake 5 "abort here"
14:14  * rxr_ lunch
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15:06 < rxr> re
15:08 < rxr> mnemoc: today the kernel ip auto config works ...
15:08 < rxr> Sending DHCP requests .<7>0000:01:04.0: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed                
15:08 < rxr> .,<7>0000:01:05.0: tulip_stop_rxtx() failed                                     
15:08 < rxr> . OK                                                                            
15:08 < rxr> IP-Config: Got DHCP answer from 192.168.2.1, my address is 192.168.2.181 
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15:27 < sepp> hmm the log does not display if i   var_append CMD_WRAPPER_FILTER '|' 'sed -e s,installperl,installperl\ -f,g'  ?
15:28 < sepp> is this ok or is the wrapper wrong?
15:28 < sepp> the filter ...
15:41 < rxr> sepp: what do you try ?
15:41 < sepp> installperl -f, force
15:41 < rxr> ah ,-)
15:41 < rxr> that does not work
15:41 < rxr> the install wrapper wraps stuff like install, cp, mv and co ...
15:42 < rxr> not the installperl command ...
15:42 < sepp> yes i used CMD_WRAPPER_FILTER
15:43 < sepp> it works but the log does not display the changed cmd ???
15:44 < rxr> well - you want to change the installperl invocation, right?
15:44 < rxr> AFAIR this is not covered by the install wrapper ...
15:45 < rxr> try cd src.perl....
15:45 < rxr> ./debug.sh
15:45 < rxr> which installperl ...
15:45 < sepp> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 0 Apr  9 15:25 olists/perl
15:45 < rxr> if it is not the wrapper than, well - better just patch the Makefile
15:46 < sepp> i used CMD_WRAPPER_FILTER *not* INSTALL
15:47 < rxr> ah - sorry
15:47 < sepp> install wrapper does not cover installperl, thats why i used cmd ...
15:48 < rxr> ah - yes such alterings are on in the log
15:48 < sepp> ahh
15:48 < rxr> in the log is what make prints out ... - that they are transformed later is not shown ...
15:48 < sepp> good to know
15:49 < rxr> we could only log that in addition - so after the make printout some wrapper debug printout could be added
15:53 < rxr> sepp: you have not write acces - do you want to send a htpasswd -n your-name over, to me in private ?
15:53 < sepp> hmm i need to emerge apache ...
15:54 < sepp> and read about svn, the only thing i know is how to co
15:56 < rxr> the nearly only things you need to know is svn commit and svn add
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15:56 < rxr> sepp: if you fell too, you can also send a plain password over via gpg or so and I create the hash ...
15:57 < sepp> i will emerge apache ...
16:01 < CIA-9> rene * r8127 /trunk/target/embedded/build_image.sh: 
16:01 < CIA-9> * fixed embedded/build_image.sh:
16:01 < CIA-9>  * to handle special files including minit's FIFOs
16:01 < CIA-9>  * to not create links of identical files if it are normal files
16:01 < CIA-9>  * strip /man/ and /doc/ (for now)
16:02 < rxr> valentin: your dream and my psion target have the same bug (to mangle minit's FIFOs)
16:02 < rxr> (and create some unnice linking)
16:05 < rxr> VFS: Mounted root (squashfs filesystem) readonly.
16:05 < rxr> Mounted devfs on /dev
16:05 < rxr> Freeing unused kernel memory: 132k init
16:40 < valentin> re
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16:42 < valentin> rxr: that bug was in build_image.sh ?
16:42 < rxr> yes
16:42 < valentin> i do not use it yet
16:42 < rxr> sorry - I must have not yet tested the last psion-pda rework yet
16:42 < valentin> and in the future i will use the embedded target thing, anyway
16:42 < rxr> yes - please notify if I need to make stuff more generic
16:43 < rxr> I'll also start to factur stuff like "copy_with_special_files and create_image_from files or so functions into misc/target or so soon
16:43 < valentin> rxr: i have to investigate if squashfs is enabled in my kernel config
16:44 < rxr> you need to patch the kernel
16:44 < rxr> it is not yet in mainstream
16:44 < rxr> but it should be trivial
16:44 < rxr> I enable automatic patching kernel trees - hopefully today ...
16:44 < rxr> I bet it applies to your sh kernel
16:44 < rxr> the 2.6.9 patch even applies to 2.6.11.6
16:50 < rxr> damn
16:51 < rxr> maybe minit will not work with serial lines ...
16:57 < valentin> :(
16:57 < valentin> cu later
16:58 < sepp> rxr: where should i mail the hash to?
16:58 < rxr> rene@exctcode.de
16:59 < sepp> ok
16:59 < sepp> and username sepp is ok?
17:02 < rxr> I can tweak that on need - does not affect the hash ...
17:02 < rxr> sepp stands for ?
17:02 < rxr> damn - fgetty as mingetty fork does indeed not like serial lines ...
17:02 < sepp> nickname for Sebastian ?
17:02 < rxr> grummel ...
17:03 < sepp> Sebastian Czech ...
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17:11 < rxr> hm - would sczech or just sebation or sebastianc be ok for you ?
17:12 < rxr> seems I have to patch fgetty for serial lines in some free minute
17:12 < sepp> sebastian is ok, but whats wrong with sepp ?
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17:15 < rxr> it differs from your name so much ,-)
17:16 < rxr> but if you prefer sepp so much more, I could also use that ...
17:16 < sepp> damn who wrote this svn book
17:16 < rxr> the svn folks - is it so bad ?
17:17 < sepp> at least its not good
17:18 < rxr> == 17:18:19 =[1]=> Building base/util-linux [2.12q 2.1.0-rc2].
17:18 < rxr> !> Hunk #1 FAILED at 376.
17:19 < rxr> grummel ...-
17:20 < sepp> hmm it worked last night
17:21 < rxr> uclibc specific patch ,-)
17:21 < sepp> ahh
17:21 < rxr> == 04/09/05 17:21:24 =[1]=> Finished building package util-linux.
17:21 < rxr> removing helped ...
17:22 < CIA-9> rene * r8128 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/util-linux-syssiglist.patch: 
17:22 < CIA-9> * removed non appling uclibc/util-linux patch - fails to apply and
17:22 < CIA-9>  builds without it ...
17:29 < mnemoc> moin
17:30 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
17:32 < mnemoc> hi rxr 
17:32 < mnemoc> rxr: did you saw kdm.postinstall commit?
17:37 < rxr> read it - have not reviewed, why do you ask ?
17:46 < rxr> I hope you agree with my today's commits ...
17:50 < mnemoc> i found wierd you forgot to rename kdm.cron considering kde is your beloved package
17:50 < mnemoc> i haven't yet reviewed commits
17:54 < rxr> I removed the dietlibc target
17:54 < rxr> and added an embedded one ...
17:55 < _jeru> re hi
17:56 < rxr> hi jdavid_ 
17:56 < rxr> _jeru:  ...
17:56 < rxr> more j*s here ...
17:56 < _jeru> hehe :)
17:56 < sepp> lovely tab
17:56 < rxr> _jeru: how do you place ssh keys on a ro compact flash ?
17:56 < rxr> _jeru: and I alreaedy learned to press <tab> twice ...
17:57 < _jeru> rxr: in my custom build script I've integrated a small function to generate the keys and copy them manualy
17:58 < _jeru> and then writing thm on the CF
17:58 < rxr> I need to review unionfs en detail ...
17:58 < rxr> maybe I can overlay mount the config from the last partition ...
17:59 < rxr> partition 1: kernel 2: root 4: custom overlay config ...
17:59 < rxr> that would be cool ...
17:59 < _jeru> rxr: ack :)
18:01 < rxr> _jeru: fgetty is not serial line aware ...
18:01 < rxr> that really sucks ...
18:01 < _jeru> yep
18:01 < rxr> did you ever need that ?
18:02 < _jeru> rxr: it would be a nice feature. but never used that for now
18:02 < rxr> my ppc board is headless of course ...
18:03 < rxr> jsaw: I compiled a C++ hello world on the board this morning - from a NFS mounted toor
18:04 < rxr> root even
18:04 < rxr> it is ineed faster than the big rs6k - have you seen the numbers ?
18:06  * sepp reboots to test perl ...
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18:21 < sepp> hmm new problem with perl, argh
18:29 < CIA-9> rene * r8129 /trunk/package/base/minit/ (7 files in 5 dirs): 
18:29 < CIA-9> * many minit changes
18:29 < CIA-9>  * install non symlink run files with executable bit
18:29 < CIA-9>  * named mountproc mountall and added more than /proc mount
18:29 < CIA-9>  * used /bin/sh for all files
18:32 < rxr> hm - due to the reduced DSL latency - commits touching several files are way faster now ...
18:32 < CIA-9> rene * r8130 /trunk/target/embedded/ (22 files in 6 dirs): 
18:32 < CIA-9> * many embedded target changs:
18:32 < CIA-9>  * moved rootfs files into a rootfs directory and added some minit
18:32 < CIA-9>  overwrites
18:32 < CIA-9>  * moved the images out of the TOOLCHAIN/images folder, placimg them
18:32 < CIA-9>  directly in that folder - with variable to tweak
18:32 < CIA-9>  * use find to search for flies for the rootfs instead of explict list
18:49 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll test gweis patch for kdebase but i can't answer the rest of the mail
18:51 < mnemoc> Scheduling package 'kdebase' for rebuild ...
19:04 < CIA-9> susan * r8131 /trunk/scripts/Download: 
19:04 < CIA-9> * suppressed error during Download -list-unknown from find when
19:04 < CIA-9>  download does not exist
19:05 < CIA-9> susan * r8132 /trunk/scripts/Cleanup: * implemented Cleanup -download to remove obsolete files from download/
19:19 < rxr> ThinTUX 0.20 another project to be converted to T2 ...
19:20 < mnemoc> :)
19:20 < _jeru>  ThinTUX 0.20 ?
19:21 < rxr> freshmeat - some tiny dist for thinclients ...
19:22 < mnemoc> we need a CMS to promote our T2-based distros
19:22 < _jeru> mnemoc: you know what I'm currently working on ;)
19:22 < mnemoc> and show people how easy it is with T2
19:22 < mnemoc> _jeru: /me teasing :)
19:23 < _jeru> :)
19:29 < rxr> mnemoc: you mean like drupal sss
19:35 < mnemoc> rxr: no, like Plone :p
19:37 < minto_> Is it possible to create a special group and user account in a package? Is there a package I can use for inspiration?
19:37 < rxr> yes
19:37 < rxr> save_user_gropu_add or so ..
19:37 < rxr> look exim IIRC
19:38 < rxr> or apache or so ...
19:38 < minto_> I will hava a look, thanx rxr.
19:39 < rxr> but that is at sysfiles build time - so build target dependent ...
19:40 < mnemoc> minto_: look at postsysfiles.in files
19:40 < CIA-9> rene * r8133 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in: 
19:40 < CIA-9> * fixed linux24/linux-conf.in to match patch files even if not ending
19:40 < CIA-9>  .bz2 and made it save for the case of multi file matchings
19:46 -!- minto_ is now known as minto
19:48 < minto> I am planning to add GNU Mailman. Should I also add the user and group ID to ./Documentation/Developers/REGISTER ?
19:49 < rxr> yes, if you use this save_group... add, then yes
19:49 < minto> Ack.
19:53 < mnemoc> minto: 55 is taken here!
19:53 < mnemoc> minto: choose a different :)
19:54 < minto> mnemoc: Ack
19:56 < CIA-9> amery * r8134 /trunk/Documentation/Developers/REGISTER: * registered uid/gid 55/55 for zeroinstall
19:57 < mnemoc> :)
19:57 < mnemoc> just ot be sure
19:57 < rxr> *lol*
19:58 < rxr>  /nick mnemoc evil-mnemoc
19:58 < minto> What does lol stand for?
19:59 < mnemoc> lot of laught
19:59 < rxr> Laughing Out Loud
19:59 < mnemoc> :)
19:59 < minto> It is actually a dutch word, with sort of the same meaning. lol = fun
19:59 < mnemoc> yours is better
19:59 < mnemoc> cool
19:59 < mnemoc> it is a real word? those on real dictionaries?
19:59 < rxr> I create a new misc/target functions file ...
20:00 < mnemoc> functions.in :)
20:00 < mnemoc> we 'are' standarizing our file names
20:00 < minto> mnemoc: Yes it is, at least in my language.
20:02 < CIA-9> rene * r8135 /trunk/misc/target/image-functions: * added a new misc/target functions file
20:03 < rxr> watch the next:
20:03 < CIA-9> rene * r8136 /trunk/misc/target/ (functions.in image-functions): 
20:03 < CIA-9> * renamed new image-functions to functions.in to match the new
20:03 < CIA-9>  standards introduced by Alejandro
20:03 < minto> What do the parameters for safe_useradd stand for?
20:04 < minto> Or where can I look it up?
20:05 < rxr> t2-trunk/package/base/sysfiles# grep safe *
20:05 < rxr> etc_initscript.txt:# Set umask to safe level, and enable core dumps.
20:05 < rxr> parse-config:# Usage: safe_useradd name uid gid desc homedir shell pass
20:05 < rxr> parse-config:safe_useradd() {
20:05 < rxr> parse-config:# Usage: safe_groupadd name id
20:05 < rxr> parse-config:safe_groupadd() {
20:06 < minto> thanx
20:06 < rxr> no problem
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20:11 < CIA-9> rene * r8137 /trunk/misc/target/functions.in: 
20:11 < CIA-9> * removed status echo - that is up to the caller to decide about the
20:11 < CIA-9>  verbosity
20:12 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks for using .in
20:15 < rxr> no problem at all
20:15 < rxr> just that a functions was already there and I wanted to merge them later ...
20:15 < rxr> so we now have functions.in and a functions that need to be merged step by step later
20:16 < rxr> mnemoc: I think we should delay -rc1 a bit in favour of some target cleanup ...
20:16 < rxr> or - what do you think ?
20:16 < mnemoc> sadly yes
20:16 < rxr> and many packages need to be fixed for the olist - have you read sepp's problems ?
20:17 < mnemoc> what we could do too is to move stuff we wont fix way from trunk until we branch 2.1
20:17 < mnemoc> what sepp problems?
20:17 < rxr> well - the embedded targets will be quite clean soon
20:17 < rxr> and I'll also rework the livecd soon
20:18 < rxr> however we also could apply the same factor out process to the install target ...
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20:22 < sepp> rxr: you enabled my account, whatever my username might be now :)
20:23 < CIA-9> amery * r8138 /trunk/package/kde/kdebase/ (hal_050.patch kdebase.cache): 
20:23 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis <gweis@gmx.at>:
20:23 < CIA-9>  * fixed kdebase to build with hal 0.5.0 (from kde-cvs)
20:23 < CIA-9>  * injected new cache file for kdebase
20:23 < mnemoc> Total	:	3105
20:23 < mnemoc> Built Fine	:	2116
20:23 < mnemoc> Broken Builds	:	73
20:23 < mnemoc> Pending Builds	:	916
20:25 < rxr> ouhm - quite some broken ...
20:26 < mnemoc> some are 'half-fixed' but not completely
20:26 < mnemoc> so before fixing merge my changes :)
20:26 < CIA-9> rene * r8139 /trunk/misc/target/functions.in: 
20:26 < CIA-9> * made the file copy and linking functions unverbose - just printing
20:26 < CIA-9>  out the no. of files processed
20:27 < CIA-9> rene * r8140 /trunk/target/embedded/build_image.sh: 
20:27 < CIA-9> * converted the embedded target to use the functions factored out
20:27 < CIA-9>  into misc/target/functions.in
20:34 < rxr> our embedded stuff starts to get quite mature and solid
20:35 < mnemoc> :)
20:35 < _jeru> rxr: :)
20:38 < rxr> _jeru: if fgetty would talk serial, well - it would be more solid ,-)
20:39 < mnemoc> _jeru: http://untroubled.org/bcron/bcron.html
20:39 < CIA-9> amery * r8141 /trunk/misc/tail/install_cron.in: * changed install_cron.in to hook on postinstall
20:40  * mnemoc to lunch
20:42 < _jeru> rxr: indeed ... ,)
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20:53 < CIA-9> rene * r8142 /trunk/target/psion-pda/ (13 files in 3 dirs): 
20:53 < CIA-9> * converted the psion target to base uppon the embedded one and
20:53 < CIA-9>  fixed some bugs on the way
20:54 < keinek> hi everbody
20:54 < rxr> hi keinek 
20:54 < CIA-9> rene * r8143 /trunk/target/embedded/build_image.sh: * fixed one status output in embedded/build_image.sh
20:54 < sepp> hello keinek 
20:55 < CIA-9> amery * r8144 /trunk/ (11 files in 10 dirs): * automatized .postinstall installation
21:08 < CIA-9> rene * r8145 /trunk/target/psion-pda/build_image.sh: * more psion-pda cleanup, silenceing and fixed arlo extraction
21:11 < keinek> hey guys, somebody know about flex86?
21:11 < rxr> hm - what was it ?
21:11 < keinek> meaby it is a real free vmware.
21:12 < keinek> a virtual machine emulator.
21:13 < keinek> now i am searching the web.
21:13 < sepp> this is bochs now, right?
21:14 < keinek> Mmmm no.
21:14 < keinek> bochs is a emulator
21:14 < keinek> so... Emulate the x86
21:14 < keinek> vmware or flex86 is a virtual machine.
21:15 < keinek> and it use the real archiqtecture.
21:15 < keinek> if you have a athlon xp your virtual machine will be a athlon xp.
21:15 < keinek> but if you use bochs under athlon xp, bochs emulate the x86
21:15 < keinek> can understand me?
21:16 < sepp> i think so
21:16 < keinek> bochs is useful for use under a MAC
21:16 < keinek> but the performans is less than vmware.
21:16 < keinek> i hear something about flex86, but never see the web page.
21:17 < keinek> flex is like Qemu.
21:17 < keinek> Qemu is like vmware
21:17 < keinek> "Virtual machines"
21:17 < keinek> bochs emulator :)
21:17 < keinek> I learn that today :)
21:18 < keinek> but... where is flex86?
21:19 < rxr> keinek: flex86 is dead
21:19 < rxr> it was renamed and then quite vanished
21:19 < rxr> I forgot what the sucessor was named - maybe plex856 ?
21:19 < rxr> plex86 even
21:20 < keinek> :(
21:21 < keinek> www.freemware.org
21:21 < keinek> that web is dead
21:21 < keinek> meaby i use bochs
21:21 < mnemoc> rxr: why do we have var/adm/cksum and var/adm/md5sum ?
21:22 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea
21:22 < mnemoc> rxr: why etc/postinstall.d instead of var/adm/postinstall ?
21:22 < mnemoc> postinstall at etc/ is senseless
21:22 < rxr> why ?
21:22 < keinek> http://xen.sf.net 
21:23 < keinek> this is another option
21:23 < mnemoc> because they are run only once in life
21:23 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - some are to be run on any package installation
21:23 < keinek> but this... need patch the system that we want emulate :)
21:23 < rxr> e.g. the tex one ...
21:23 < sepp> keinek: this does not support win*
21:23 < keinek> right
21:23 < mnemoc> rxr: if they are global, ok
21:23 < keinek> is true
21:24 < rxr> mnemoc: etc/postinstall.d because it is executed, normal in system code ...
21:24 < mnemoc> rxr: if they are one-package-only they should not be there
21:24 < keinek> mnemoc, k3b dont burn audio cd, because i forget "sox" :P
21:24 < keinek> mnemoc, now work fine.
21:24 < mnemoc> keinek: good
21:24 < rxr> I think no such stuff should be in var/adm - that should be optional for end user systems and to be removed on installed boxes
21:24 < rxr> mnemoc: don't make it needless complex ...
21:24 < mnemoc> rxr: same as alternative things
21:25 < mnemoc> food is ready
21:25 < mnemoc> bbl
21:26 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
21:26 < rxr> for most stuff you need them post the installation - and I think they should all be at the same place ...
21:26 < sepp> rxr: can i commit loop-aes already?
21:27 < rxr> sepp: oehm - let me inject your hash
21:27 < sepp> ok :)
21:27 < rxr> you have not answer yet whether you like sepp that much more over sebastion ... ,-)
21:27 < rxr> should I inject sebastian now ?
21:28 < sepp> sepp
21:28 < sepp> ;)
21:28 < rxr> ouhm .-(
21:28  * _Ragnar_ wonders if he just walked in on some kinky stuff :)
21:28 < rxr> _Ragnar_:  ?
21:28 < sepp> rxr: if you want inject senastian
21:28 < sepp> sebastian
21:28 < _Ragnar_> rxr> should I inject sebastian now ?
21:28 < _Ragnar_> ^
21:30 < rxr> sepp: I injected sebastian - that matches our other existing names ...
21:30 < rxr> sepp: try commit - 
21:30 < rxr> svn commit
21:30 < sepp> ok
21:30 < rxr> you need svn add files when they are not yet in the tree before
21:30 < rxr> that just marks them for addition
21:31 < rxr> please use this commit message layout:
21:31 < rxr> <tab>* what you did on what area
21:31 < sepp> as i understand it i run "svn ci package/security/loop-aes" and it will ask me about the rest?
21:31 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/svn-commit-tutorial.htm#
21:32 < rxr> sepp: it will ask you about the commit message
21:32 < rxr> not w
21:32 < rxr> hether there are new or gone files ...
21:32 < rxr> svn add and svn remove are for you to schedule before ...
21:32 < sepp> did this already
21:32 < rxr> for just commiting modified files svn ci (commit)
21:32 < sepp> svn st looks good
21:32 < rxr> ,-)
21:33 < rxr> sepp: welcome write commitee no. 14
21:34 < sepp> :)
21:43 < sepp> "svn ci --username sebastian --password ... package/security/loop-aes/" is wrong?
21:44 < sepp> i get "svn: Connection is read-only"
21:45 < sepp> damn why is there no simple manpage
21:48 < mnemoc> re
21:49 < rxr> sepp: you can only commit via http://
21:49 < mnemoc> sepp: switch to http://
21:49 < rxr> I guess you use svn:// ... ?
21:49 < sepp> yes
21:50 < rxr> svn switch --reloccate svn://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
21:50 < rxr> --relocate ...
21:50 < sepp> can i convert it or do i need to get head again but this time http: ?
21:50 < sepp> thanks
21:50 < mnemoc> rxr: considering we will may have alternative on var/adm i think we should have pre/postinstall scripts there too, but it's up to you :) .... /me moving to office
21:51 < mnemoc> rxr: as you said, etc is not for scripts, it's for config data
21:52 < mnemoc> back in 30 min.
21:53 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8146 /trunk/package/security/loop-aes/ (12 files): reworked loop-aes, it now supports multi-key-v3 mode and the ciphers pkg is now optional
21:53 < sepp> hooray
21:54 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - your not scripts is a good point ...
21:55  * sepp is happy now
21:55 < rxr> sepp:  ,-)
21:55  * rxr off into bed - cu tomorrow in the early morning ...
21:56 < sepp> good night
21:57 < sepp> argh in the 3rd msg i forgot the tab *, sorry
22:11 < _jeru> good night rxr
22:13 < _jeru> mnemoc: btw Plone/LDAP user authentication works. the user can also change pw inside plone ;)
22:46 < mnemoc> re
22:46 < mnemoc> _jeru: :D
22:46 < mnemoc> rxr: still here?
22:48 < _jeru> mnemoc: but a problem I see. at least regarding the interoperability with smb-ldap. the zope's LDAP stuff doesn't like posixGroups 
22:48 < mnemoc> what does it use for grouping?
22:50 < _jeru> groupOfUniqueNames, groupOfNames, accessGroup, groups can be used
22:50 < _jeru> group
22:50 < mnemoc> rxr: thinking between home and office i noticed we should use /usr/lib/alternatives and /usr/lib/system/{pre,post}install/ instead of populating var/adm
22:50 < sepp> mnemoc: your wxw update broke all wx 2.5 apps?
22:50 < mnemoc> uhm? really?
22:50 < mnemoc> i haven't commited it yet
22:50 < sepp> seems so
22:50 < sepp> i guess something with wx25 is wrong
22:50 < mnemoc> i haven't look at the errlogs neither
22:51 < sepp> look at 5-xchm.err 
22:51 < sepp> it does not use sound 
22:51 < sepp> for sure
22:51 < sepp> undefined reference to `wxCreateSoundBackendSDL' ...
22:52 < mnemoc> iirc xchm was broken before my update
22:52 < mnemoc> i could revert and rebuild
22:52 < mnemoc> mom
22:52 < sepp> i built it last night
22:52 < sepp> xchm 
22:52  * _jeru is away for 1h now
22:53 -!- _jeru is now known as jeru|away
22:54 < sepp> amule libwx_gtk2u_adv-2.5.so: undefined reference to `wxCreateSoundBackendSDL'
22:54 < mnemoc> uhm
22:54  * mnemoc reverting 8111
22:58 < mnemoc> i believed you
22:58 < mnemoc> downloaded and rescheduled
22:58 < CIA-9> amery * r8147 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * reverted r8111 until further notice, downdated wxwidgets (2.5.4.1 -> 2.5.3.1)
23:00 < mnemoc> downdated*
23:01 < sepp> ohh i love wx*
23:02 < sepp> its always good if you want new errors
23:02 < mnemoc> i'm reschuduling about 40 packages :(
23:02 < mnemoc> with wxwidgets or wxpython on it's deps
23:03 < sepp> argh
23:03 < _Ragnar_> how do you rebuild everything depending on a pkg?
23:04 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg ref -remove $( grep -l wxpython build/ref-2.1.0-rc1-x86-pentium4-generic/var/adm/cache/* | cut -d/ -f6 )
23:09 < sepp> mnemoc: i checked the last night log vstserver was the only error
23:10 < sepp> so xchm worked
23:11 < mnemoc> vstserver error is odd
23:11 < sepp> yes
23:11 < sepp> where is configure ???
23:11 < sepp> i dont understand it
23:11 < mnemoc> it just doesn't exist
23:11 < sepp> yup
23:11 < keinek> hi mnemoc 
23:11 < mnemoc> option 1) call the author
23:12 < mnemoc> option 2) fake a configure
23:12 < keinek> (diles en ingles que finalmente me decidi por qemu por que Bochs es un dolor de huevos :P)
23:12 < mnemoc> option 3) move vstserver and ladblah-vst to package/attic and disable it
23:12 < sepp> hmm i looked at the code, i dont understand this wine crap
23:12 < sepp> i vote for 1 or 3
23:12 < mnemoc> keinek: said he choose qemu because boch is a big pain
23:13 < mnemoc> s/://
23:13 < keinek> :)
23:13 < keinek> big pain of balls
23:13 < keinek> :D
23:16 < mnemoc> :)
23:19 < keinek> now i testing qemu with windows xp
23:19 < keinek> :S
23:19 < mnemoc> oh
23:19 < mnemoc> qemu on winxp
23:19 < mnemoc> or winxp inside qemu?
23:20 < keinek> winxp inside qemu.
23:20 < keinek> only for compile in visual basic for my work.
23:58 < sepp> there is no visual basic clone for linux?
23:58 < sepp> i think i read something on /.
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