--- Log opened Tue Apr 05 00:00:22 2005 00:30 < j3ru> so will jump into bed now ... good night all together :) 00:30 < sepp> good night j3ru 00:31 < j3ru> cu sepp :) 00:35 < CIA-9> chris * r8044 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/Web/00-apache.ask: * added apr and apr-util 00:43 -!- j3ru [~jeru@p54BFD087.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 00:58 < valentin> re 01:13 < Mech> *Yawn* Morning 01:13 < CIA-9> amery * r8045 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/epiphany.desc: * updated epiphany (1.6.0 -> 1.6.1) 01:14 < mnemoc> rehi 01:17 < valentin> hi Mech, mnemoc 01:17 < Mech> valentin: :-) 01:21 * mnemoc kicks rxr 01:22 < valentin> why ? 01:22 < Mech> valentin: He kicked him like a bad habit ?? :-P 01:24 < mnemoc> due to his blind php update 01:25 < mnemoc> people should at least be sure the package itself compiles before commiting updates 01:25 < mnemoc> and that mistake on our core architect deserves a kick :) 01:27 < Mech> mnemoc: is there a feature list for 2.2 somewhere ? 01:28 < mnemoc> only on our minds 01:30 < Mech> mnemoc: Hmm - I was wondering if a 'target builder' was being considered - /scripts/Config is mostly for *tweaking* targets, right ? Is there a tool for starting a new target from scratch ? ( other then vi :-P ) 01:30 < mnemoc> i can't even imagine a UI to create targets 01:31 < mnemoc> but there is no objection against one 01:31 < Mech> Heh - at this point, neither can I... I haven't figured out where to start :-) 01:31 < mnemoc> our lack of documentation :\ 01:32 < mnemoc> you need preconfig.in, config.in and build.sh 01:32 < mnemoc> preconfig.in registers the target 01:32 < Mech> I really like the mneosyne target - I love the way it prompts for 'alternatives' - like 'pick your mta' 'nullmailer, qmail, qmail+vmailmgr' 01:32 < Mech> but I can't begin to figure out how to do stuff like that 01:32 < mnemoc> config.in does initial package selection and configuration 01:33 < mnemoc> and build.sh mainly sources generic's. there you can add stuff to be doone between package builds and after everything is built 01:33 -!- sparc-kly|univ| [~universit@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 01:33 < mnemoc> Mech: thanks :) 01:34 < Mech> mnemoc: its very nice work :-) I want mine to look like that (eventually) 01:34 < mnemoc> Mech: read my config.in and mnemosyne.in 01:34 < mnemoc> :) 01:34 < valentin> hm, my DC seems to be to old to read cdr's reliable 01:34 < mnemoc> some day i'll have to port it to perl 01:35 < mnemoc> extensive parsing using bash is expensive 01:35 < valentin> one out of 10 boots work to boot the initial boot code 01:35 < valentin> mnemoc: :) 01:35 < mnemoc> valentin: didn't you labeled them? 01:35 < valentin> label ? 01:36 < mnemoc> err. i missread 01:36 < mnemoc> i thought you have burn 10 different CDs 01:36 < mnemoc> and only one booted 01:36 < valentin> after promting the initial sega license boot code (which it does every 1 out of 10 tries) the console resets itself 01:37 < valentin> so my kernel image must be wrong :/ 01:37 < Mech> is there a 'simple' target for newbs to start with - something that shows the 'right' way to do stuff, and is small enough to grok ? maybe bootdisk or uboot ? 01:38 < valentin> desktop 01:38 < mnemoc> valentin selling his evil target :) 01:38 < sparc-kly|univ|> hi mnemoc, valentin, Mech 01:38 < Mech> 'reference' target ? hmm... wonder what this is 01:38 < valentin> hi sparc-kly|univ| 01:38 < mnemoc> Mech: reference is a generic plus .cache injection 01:38 < Mech> sparc-kly: :-) 01:38 < mnemoc> Mech: you don't want that 01:39 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly|univ| 01:39 < valentin> i need a new dreamcast 01:39 < Mech> mnemoc: ahh - oh, another question - where are package selection templates stored ? are they part of a 'target' ? 01:39 < mnemoc> misc/pkgsel 01:39 < mnemoc> they are target independent 01:40 * Mech is pasting all this in a vi session for later reference :-) 01:40 < mnemoc> templates are just pre-written per config pkgsel 01:40 < valentin> if i balance it perfectly i manage to get it in an infinite reboot cycle :) 01:41 < valentin> at least i know that balancing the dc helps with self-burned cd's :) 01:41 < Mech> valentin: balancing ? 01:42 < valentin> balance it agains leaning to any side and keep it save from vibrations 01:42 < valentin> i managed to enhance my read accuracy to 90% 01:42 < Mech> valentin: Oh ? mine laid flat ? Is yours 'vertical' like a ps2 ? 01:42 < valentin> it is laid flat 01:45 < valentin> ok, at least the booting up worked 01:45 < valentin> now i have to find out what is wrong with the kernel image 01:46 < valentin> but i think i continue tomorow 01:46 < valentin> Mech: you have a DC handy ? 01:47 < Mech> valentin: I have parts - my son sent it to DC heaven about a year ago 01:47 < valentin> :( 01:47 < CIA-9> amery * r8046 /trunk/package/develop/php/no-httpd.conf.patch: * fixed php by adapting patch to new version 01:48 < valentin> US, EU or JAP version ? 01:48 < Mech> US 01:48 < Mech> I can check my junk box and see if its still about.... 01:48 < valentin> i would like to get my hands on a JAP version 01:48 < Mech> ahh - sorry, can't help with that 01:49 < valentin> i just hoped you could try to burn and boot an image 01:49 < Mech> valentin: sorry :-( 01:49 < Mech> if you need spare parts though - it would be good for that 01:50 < valentin> yep - but you live in the us ? 01:50 < Mech> yeah 01:50 < valentin> i am in germany, so sending parts would be expensive ... 01:50 < Mech> oh ? Lots of germans in T2 :-) 01:51 < mnemoc> T2 is a worldwide project :) 01:52 < valentin> yep - a funny thing: rxr, jeru and me come from berlin. I knew rxr before, but we did not know jeru. 01:52 < valentin> one day jeru joined for whatever reason, and later we found out that he lives in berlin, too :) 01:52 < Mech> valentin: I like german geeks - they party more then most geeks I meet :-) 01:53 * Mech also likes doro pesch .... Can't beat German metal :-) 01:53 < valentin> hm - i hope i will not disappoint you when we meet one day on a party 01:54 < Mech> valentin: LOL - I'm slowing down as I get older... the 24 hours hacking sessions get harder and harder to do :-( 01:54 < valentin> I do not party as much as i did when i was 16y 01:55 < valentin> around Jul,27 my first child will be born, so ... 01:55 < mnemoc> girl? 01:55 < Mech> valentin: I hear when we turn 40 - we get a mid-life crisis, and can party again :-) Plus we lose our hair, get a sports can, and a much younger girlfriend :-P 01:55 < valentin> mnemoc: yes - i told you ? 01:55 < Mech> valentin: Oh! Congrats :-) My son will be 13 in June 01:56 < valentin> Mech: how long until you get into your crisis ? i mean how old are you if you want to tell ? 01:56 < mnemoc> valentin: i told me about 3 month ago you feel you will have a girl 01:56 < valentin> ok, ok 01:57 < Mech> valentin: I'll be umm .. 36 ? 37 ? (born in 1968 ) 01:57 < mnemoc> ten years before me :) 01:57 < valentin> but we know that it will be a girl w.h.p. 01:57 * valentin was born 1978 01:57 < mnemoc> :) 01:57 < mnemoc> me too 01:57 < valentin> but i have been way slower on building a family than mnemoc 01:58 < Mech> heh - I'll save you guys some nice red convertables for when you get your crisises :-P 01:58 < valentin> red convertables ? 01:59 < valentin> my english fails me 01:59 < valentin> where in the us are you ? 01:59 < Mech> "lil red corvette" :-) sports car - It an american stereotype - when American men turn 40, they get tired of be 'responsible' and have a 'second childhood' 02:00 < mnemoc> cabriolet 02:00 < Mech> we're supposed to buy a sports car and date 20 year old women in a futile attempt to reclaim our youth :-P 02:00 < Mech> valentin: California 02:01 < valentin> hehe 02:02 < Mech> valentin: Since I've never had a sports car or a 20 year old woman - I'm looking forward to it :-D 02:02 < valentin> driving a sports car in California - with a nice woman at side 02:02 < Mech> valentin: yes, sounds nice, doesn't it :-) 02:02 < mnemoc> only california people buy sports cars in middleage crisis 02:03 < Mech> mnemoc: hehe - why do you think I moved ? I don't want a honda accord for my mid-life crisis :-P 02:03 < valentin> i know some cases where the person skipped the sports car and took the young woman 02:03 < valentin> one of my uncles did :/ 02:05 < valentin> at first i will enjoy becoming "daddy" 02:05 < Mech> valentin: I've noticed I forget how old I am... I'll see a pretty girl, and think about asking her out - then realize I'm like 15 years older then her :-P 02:05 < Mech> valentin: hehe :-) Its a lot of fun - a lot of work, but a lot of fun 02:05 < valentin> i think certain programs in our minds are never updated 02:06 < Mech> valentin: ROFL - good point 02:06 < Mech> valentin: though I can't imagine raising a girl - I'd be scared to death... 02:06 < valentin> and i will have to learn to get up before 11am 02:06 < Mech> valentin: lil boys are indestructable - but lil girls are delicate 02:07 < valentin> sometimes i am scared about that, too 02:07 < Mech> valentin: LOL - yeah, _long_ before 11 :-) 02:07 < valentin> but i can ask mnemoc when i get in trouble 02:07 < Mech> mnemoc: Oh, you have daughters ? 02:08 < mnemoc> two 02:09 < Mech> mnemoc: Cool :-) 02:09 < mnemoc> :) 02:10 < Mech> mnemoc: are they close in age ? I've heard that having 2 (or more) children about the same age can be nice because they play together, etc... 02:10 < Mech> mnemoc: but it still seems like a lot of work. 02:11 < keinek> thanks god.... 02:11 < mnemoc> 4 years and 1 year 02:11 < keinek> audacity work fine 02:11 < keinek> thanks rene. 02:11 < keinek> :) 02:11 < keinek> My radio program now is possible ;) 02:11 < mnemoc> :) 02:13 < valentin> Mech: you are the great exception - mnemoc 2 daoughters, jsaw 2 daughters, lars 1 daughter and another comming in few weeks, /me with 0.7 daughter .... 02:14 < valentin> if you want another child that is a girl, be sure to join in this channel before trying ,) 02:14 < Mech> mnemoc: oh your oldest is getting big :-) My son really got interesting once he was old enough to walk, talk and do stuff - around 6. 02:15 < Mech> valentin: LOL - no thanks :-P I think one is my limit ... He actually seems to be turning out ok, so I don't wanna push my luck with another ;-) 02:15 < Mech> besides - infants scare me - I'm always afraid I'll break them or something :-P 02:15 < Mech> too delicate 02:16 < Mech> rugrat is big enough to wrestle with, and play football and stuff - I can just _play_ with him and not worry all the time :-) 02:17 < valentin> ever took a look inside the first kbs of an ISO9660 fs created with mkisofs ? 02:18 < Mech> no ? 02:19 < valentin> there is much stuff in it that looks like a random memory dump 02:19 < valentin> i learned today that the first 16 blocks are supposed to be left empty for a boot record 02:20 < valentin> but mkisofs fills those with junk (does not matter, but i wonder where that comes from)) 02:20 < Mech> mnemoc: My friend has 6 kids - 4 girls from 7 to 17 :-) Lots of tea parties and coloring - the youngest girl loves to have you color with her... 02:20 < mnemoc> oh 02:20 < mnemoc> adn you? 02:20 < Mech> valentin: Perhaps you need an option to clear it ? 02:21 < Mech> mnemoc: I don't mind the tea parties and the coloring - but when they want to play 'dress up' and do your hair, I run for cover :-) 02:22 < valentin> :) 02:23 < valentin> i have to leave now - the mother of my child gets annoyed again because it is 02:23 here 02:23 < Mech> valentin: G'nite :-) 02:23 < valentin> gn8 all 02:23 < Mech> valentin: once the baby comes... 02:23 < Mech> valentin: you'll be up for the 3am feeding :-D 02:24 < mnemoc> 1am 2am 3am 4am 5am 6am 02:24 < valentin> yep 02:24 < Mech> hehe 02:25 < valentin> and asleep from 1:05-1:59 and so on 02:25 < valentin> gn8 02:26 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin 02:29 -!- sparc-kly|univ| [~universit@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:44 < mnemoc> http://untroubled.org/bcron/bcron.html 02:54 -!- jascha [~chatzilla@adsl-69-209-234-102.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #t2 03:26 < Mech> mnemoc: I created a 'test' target (sahtiny) and added 'var_append CFGTEMP_TARGETLIST="$CFGTEMP_TARGETLIST sahtiny Steves_Tiny_Test" ' to preconfig.in - but it doesn't show up when I run /Config ? 03:27 < mnemoc> that's not how var_append works 03:27 < mnemoc> use: CFGTEMP_TARGETLIST="$CFGTEMP_TARGETLIST sahtiny Steves_Tiny_Test" 03:27 < mnemoc> or: var_append CFGTEMP_TARGETLIST ' ' "sahtiny Steves_Tiny_Test" 03:28 -!- ideal [~idealm_@222.65.100.202] has joined #t2 03:29 < Mech> mnemoc: Oh - got the parms wrong :-P 03:29 < Mech> mnemoc: bcron looks interesting 03:29 < mnemoc> i think i'll add bcron to mnemosyne 03:30 < Mech> mnemoc: I'd be interested in knowing how well it works :-) 03:30 < mnemoc> everything from bruce works very well 03:30 < Mech> mnemoc: there's also a 'new' imap server that looked intersting... Umm - not cyrus or anything like that... 03:30 * Mech tries to remember the name 03:30 < mnemoc> i'm happy with binc 03:31 < mnemoc> it's fast, light, good featured and secure 03:32 < Mech> http://www.dovecot.org/ <- Dovecot, thats it :-) 03:32 < mnemoc> we have dovecot here afaik 03:33 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if it supports maildir 03:34 < Mech> mnemoc: yeah - mbox and maildir 03:34 < Mech> as wells as imap + pop3 03:35 < mnemoc> i can't remember why i droped it when i selected imapserver last year 03:36 < Mech> mnemoc: its pretty new and probably has a few bugs... status is listed as "Dovecot _should_ be quite ready for use with normal IMAP clients" 03:36 < Mech> so its prolly not as stable as binc 03:36 < mnemoc> hehe 03:56 < Mech> mnemoc: are there two formats for pkgsel stuff ? in /targets/uboot/pkgsel its written as "X 00-dirtree" but in bootdisk/config.in its written as "/ dialog / { p; d; };" 03:57 < mnemoc> there is only one pkgsel format 03:57 < mnemoc> ^X,O,- thing 03:57 < mnemoc> targets use to do direct sed rpocessing over config/$foo/packages 03:59 < mnemoc> on target you can do whatever you want to alter config/$config/packages file 04:03 < Mech> so I should use the X,O,- notation as preferred ? Does it accept regex's or anything (other then '*' I seen that already :-) ) 04:04 < mnemoc> only * is valid on pkgsel 04:04 -!- jascha [~chatzilla@adsl-69-209-234-102.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:05 < mnemoc> inside your config.in you can use perl, sed, awk, or any other tool you like 04:05 < mnemoc> but you can also have target/$target/pkgsel using pkgsel syntax 04:06 < mnemoc> what you want to achieve is to set Os and Xs on config/$foo/packages 04:36 < CIA-9> amery * r8047 /trunk/package/gnome2/xchat/xchat.desc: * updated xchat (2.4.1 -> 2.4.3) 05:20 < mnemoc> sepp: are you around? 05:48 < CIA-9> amery * r8048 /trunk/package/python/python/python.desc: * updated python (2.4 -> 2.4.1) 07:31 < rxr> moin 07:54 < CIA-9> rene * r8049 /trunk/package/kde/kdegraphics/kdegraphics.desc: 07:54 < CIA-9> * added a note about kpdf to kdegraphics, so users may find it using 07:54 < CIA-9> misc/archive/Find.sh ,-) 08:14 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 08:36 < rxr> hi Minto 08:36 < Minto> hi rxr 08:48 -!- mipe [~mipe@k170.ip2.netikka.fi] has joined #t2 08:51 < rxr> hi mipe 08:52 < mipe> hi rxr 09:32 -!- mipe [~mipe@k170.ip2.netikka.fi] has quit ["school :("] 09:43 * Mech goes to look for food... 09:50 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:27 < rxr> su - 10:33 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.53] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:34 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.55] has joined #t2 10:40 < rxr> *g* 10:44 -!- jeru_ [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 10:44 < jeru_> moin 10:59 < rxr> moin jeru_ 11:01 < valentin> moin 11:13 < jeru_> ah moin rxr, valentin :) 11:16 < rxr> oh - mon valentin 11:16 < rxr> moin even ... 11:16 * rxr fres tea 11:16 < rxr> so some time later a gnustep draft will be on golem.de ,- 11:16 < rxr> ) 11:17 < rxr> wow - kmail is impressivle threaded ... 11:17 < rxr> in the detailed status view I just saw it was delivering my huge mail while pulling new stuff from my IMAP server at the same time ... 11:17 < rxr> 3 transfers have been running - quite cool ... 11:17 < jeru_> rxr: btw, perhaps yoann (prelude maintainer) will ask you today for testing some PPC specific GCC options he wants to set. Thought that you are the right person to ask for ,) 11:18 < rxr> valentin: so you want an Emacs.app prepackaged in T2 ? 11:18 < jeru_> unfortunately he has no PPC box around 11:18 < rxr> hm - me curious what he wanna let me test ... 11:18 < rxr> jeru_: I just continued to compile prelude ... 11:18 < rxr> I should have all deps in some minutes (at least I hope ...) 11:19 < jeru_> ahh cool :) ... do you have mysql or postgresql installed on the box you're compiling on ? 11:20 < rxr> ohem ... jeru_ ? 11:20 < rxr> it needs one of them ... ? 11:20 < jeru_> just asking ... because prelude can log into textfiles and DB's 11:21 < rxr> should I emege one of them ? 11:21 < jeru_> hmmm ... that would be nice if it's not a big problem for you 11:22 < rxr> well - the box is mostly a router when not buliding a T2 ISO ... 11:22 < rxr> jeru_: do you want me to start it sometime later? 11:23 < jeru_> go ahead without a DB ,) let's see 11:24 < jeru_> btw ... this are the basic prelude deps -> 11:24 < jeru_> X libgcrypt 11:24 < jeru_> X libgpg-error 11:24 < jeru_> X libtasn1 11:24 < jeru_> X opencdk 11:24 < jeru_> X gnutls 11:24 < jeru_> X libprelude 11:27 < jeru_> well, I think the DB support is optional ... so it should be no problem to build without any. I can Imagine that your "router" is quite busy anyway ;) 11:27 < rxr> I think it will get more busy tomorrow with my faster DSL connection then ,-) 11:28 < jeru_> ahhh cool ... alice will visit you tomorrow ;) 11:28 < rxr> yep - I hope so ... 11:29 < rxr> let's see how fast it is then ... 11:29 < rxr> 64 octets from 193.99.144.85: icmp_seq=3 ttl=247 time=70.9 ms 11:30 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.10.164] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:30 < jeru_> let's see if tomorrow a nice looking blonde girl is handing over you the DSL package :) 11:30 < rxr> but I have the feeling the new modem I have here already is over 1ms faster - the previos cheap t-online sold crap is already disconnected - to test the new one ... 11:31 < rxr> nope - I already got the modem - and noone has to visit my house ... 11:48 < valentin> rxr: why not 11:49 < jeru_> valentin: it will just switched from provider 1 -> provider 2 in the so called "HVT" <- have no english word for it right now 11:50 < jeru_> the last mile is still from Telekom 11:50 < valentin> it is always (except for qsc) 11:51 < jeru_> qsc has an own copper infrastructure ? 11:51 < rxr> jeru_: valentin's why not was most probably async reply to GNUstep Emacs ... 11:51 < jeru_> ah sorry ... 11:51 * jeru_ is quite now 11:52 < rxr> welll - the coppper from the door to the last switching box some hundred meters from the house is telecom - but from this near house box it is QSCs property ... 11:52 < rxr> telekom even 11:53 < jeru_> ahhh ... I remember ... had an client some years ago which had an QSC SDLS leased line 11:54 < jeru_> SDSL of course ,) 11:57 < rxr> hm - we get 3 new packages in some minutes ... 11:57 < rxr> who applies the other new packages from the list ? 11:57 < rxr> ok, I do ... 12:02 < jeru_> btw, seems we've a quite good "pace" getting new packages into T2 ;) 12:03 < rxr> yeah - that pace is unbelievable high at the moment ... 12:03 < CIA-9> rene * r8050 /trunk/package/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 12:03 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech: 12:03 < CIA-9> * added chmlib (0.3.5) 12:03 < CIA-9> * added xchm (0.9.8) 12:03 < CIA-9> * added rubygems (0.8.10) 12:04 < rxr> # l */*/*.desc | 12:04 < rxr> 1554 12:05 < jeru_> I've 1559 packages on my working copy right :) 12:05 < rxr> we removed 3 or so yesterday 12:07 < rxr> that was the highes rock linux commit peak ever: 12:07 < rxr> 2005-04-04,135 12:11 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.207.81.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:24 < CIA-9> rene * r8051 /trunk/package/ (12 files in 4 dirs): 12:24 < CIA-9> * added pantomime (1.2.0pre1) 12:24 < CIA-9> * added gworkspace (0.7.1) 12:24 < CIA-9> * added gnumail (1.2.0pre1) 12:24 < CIA-9> * added addresses (0.4.6) 12:24 < rxr> ok - that should be the most important gnustep stuff to attrack gnustep people to t2 ,-) 12:24 < CIA-9> rene * r8052 /trunk/package/gnustep/ (6 files in 6 dirs): * injected missing gnustep checksums 12:31 < valentin> damn cdrecording blocking my entire disc io while fixating 12:31 < rxr> more like damn IDE implementation for your iBook ... 12:31 < rxr> that is not cdrecord ... 12:32 < valentin> i did not say cdrecord but cdrecording 12:43 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.205.78.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 12:43 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | @CeBIT Hall 6 H30-532 12:43 -!- Topic set by ao [] [Wed Mar 16 09:21:34 2005] 12:43 [Users #t2] 12:43 [ _Ragnar_] [ ideal] [ jsaw] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 12:43 [ CIA-9 ] [ jeru_] [ Mech] [ nzg ] [ rxr_] [ valentin ] 12:43 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal] 12:43 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 12:43 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 12:44 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 12:46 < valentin> i just burn an snes emulator to see if my image creator and burn scripts work 12:47 < valentin> as you may have read in scrollback yesterday i managed that the DC accepted my cd but i got it into an infinite reset cycle :/ 12:51 < rxr_> and does the snes emulator work ? 12:52 < rxr_> i guess it was some prebuild binary ? 12:52 < valentin> hm yes 12:52 < valentin> cool 12:53 < valentin> at least my image creation and burning proces works 12:53 < valentin> that emulator looks quite good 12:54 < valentin> then sth must be weong with my kernel .... :/ 12:54 < rxr_> http://www.golem.de/0504/37305.html 12:55 < valentin> i take a shower (kerstin ocupies my DC playing super mario world...) :) 12:55 < valentin> bbl 13:00 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.217.250.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:13 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.212.184.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 13:13 < sepp> huhu 13:15 < jeru_> hi sepp 13:16 < sepp> hi jeru_ 13:17 < sepp> how can i change GCC_WRAPPER_INSERT arguments for only one subdir of a package? i dont get it 13:18 < sepp> i want to remove -O* and insert -O1 in one subdir 13:24 < rxr_> you can not do that per file or subdir or so ... 13:24 < rxr_> however you can hack the package to build that subdir first - with other arguments or so... 13:27 < sepp> hmm i think this will not work because of weird deps in that package 13:30 < rxr_> well - there is a smart optimization /hack/ that will work on a per file basis ... 13:30 < rxr_> however you could patch the makefile or so do do per object hacks ... 13:30 < rxr_> or - if it is the usual ffmpeg assembly problem - patch the file to be correct and compile with other optmizations 13:30 < rxr_> e.g. by removing clobbers ... 13:32 < sepp> yes thats maybe the best way 13:34 -!- ideal [~idealm_@222.65.100.202] has quit ["Leaving"] 14:22 < CIA-9> rene * r8053 /trunk/package/base/curl/curl.desc: * updated curl (7.13.1 -> 7.13.2) 14:23 < CIA-9> rene * r8054 /trunk/package/gnome2/gaim/gaim.desc: * updated gaim (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1) 14:23 < rxr_> # ./scripts/Create-ErrList 14:23 < rxr_> Error logs from default-2.1.0-rc1-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop: 14:23 < rxr_> [5] gnome2/libgda 14:23 < rxr_> 659 builds total, 498 completed fine, 1 with errors. 14:26 < rxr_> jeru_: mind fixing libgda after the bdb update ? 14:29 < jeru_> rxr: I had found a link which I send to the IRC channel on the day I commited the bdb update 14:29 < jeru_> with the bdbd problem described ... 14:29 < jeru_> unfortunately I# 14:29 < jeru_> arrg 14:30 < jeru_> I'm busy at work right now ... :/ 14:32 < rxr_> ok - no - problem ... 14:33 < rxr_> I can take a look (e.g. at that link later ...) 14:33 < rxr_> valentin: I would have two things for you 14:33 < jeru_> ok 14:33 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.11.194] has joined #t2 14:33 < valentin> rxr_: yes ? 14:33 < rxr_> valentin: the one is a cancel button in the scan progress - with the assocaited implementation of course - and the file save dialog in the scan app could get some type selctor as well as this "overwrite fill" dialog that does not match with the implementation 14:34 < rxr_> I continue messing with quicktime ... 14:34 < rxr_> I got a mail today that they where not able to run the app - due to zerolink enabled - in the console log some fail library load appeared /Users/rene/.../zerolink whatever ... 14:35 < rxr_> I published a new binary without zerolink enabled - see commit mails .. 14:35 < valentin> yep 14:35 < rxr_> so I guess they will soon notice that the file handling should be more optimal ... 14:35 < rxr_> (not to mention that the release <-> test result cycle is a big lagging ...) 14:35 < valentin> the bad thing is my scanner does so many io errors 14:36 < valentin> this is quite annoying in the development process - maybe i can come over for a hacking session later today ? 14:37 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 14:38 < rxr_> oh - sure if you like ... 14:38 < Minto> Halli hallo 14:40 < rxr_> hi Minto and keinek 14:41 < valentin> rxr_: K and I will drive to the bauhaus hermanplatz today 14:41 < valentin> i could travel to your flat after that 14:41 < valentin> hi Minto 14:42 < Minto> hi valentin, doing a little renovation? 14:42 < jeru_> Hi Minto 14:43 < Minto> hi jeru or j3ru or jeru_ When do make up your mind? ;-) 14:44 < jeru_> Minto: have no registered irc nick ... so sometimes I'll be kicked out and have to rename mysel ;) 14:44 < jeru_> Minto: but as I see you're capable to recognize me ;) 14:45 < valentin> Minto: our flat is far from perfect 14:45 < Minto> I smell fake cops everywhere :-D 14:45 < valentin> and there are some things left to do before our child is born 14:45 < jeru_> Minto: me too ;) 14:47 * jeru_ is out now ... continue work ... 14:48 < rxr_> valentin: ok - come over then ,-) 14:56 -!- You're now known as rxr 15:32 < valentin> are kernel zImages self-extracting ? or is the bootloader supposed to do that ? 15:32 < mnemoc> moin 15:33 < valentin> moin mnemoc 15:34 < mnemoc> moin valentin 15:34 < valentin> i need to find a sh4 reference manual to understand that machine code 15:37 < rxr> can you not get the stuff from for your house and do some scanenr driver work first ? 15:37 < Minto> Hi mnemoc 15:38 < valentin> rxr: ok, ok 15:43 < mnemoc> hi Minto, rxr 15:44 < valentin> only one short question: kernel execution in always starts at first word of vmlinux ? 15:46 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/regressions.html 15:47 < rxr> valentin: that depends on the machine 15:47 < rxr> moin mnemoc 15:47 < rxr> valentin: I would just look into the kernel makefiles and take a look of this image is soldered together on sh ... 15:49 < valentin> rxr: i know what the sh bootloader does 15:49 < valentin> and that looks reasonable 15:49 < valentin> it just copies the full kernel image and initrd into mem 15:50 < valentin> then copies the commandline to some memory location inside the kernel area 15:50 < rxr> valentin: the java quicktime docu at apple is strange english .. 15:50 < valentin> and then jumps into the first word of the kernel region 15:50 < rxr> most probalby written by cheap people with poor english ... 15:50 < valentin> rxr: url ? 15:50 < rxr> "Gets the resolution to saved and stored." 15:51 < valentin> developers.apple.in ,) 15:52 < rxr> hm - with missing docs and such useless ones - "I'm needed a cup of freshed coffee" ... 15:52 < rxr> or how it is written in apple intern lang. .... 15:53 < valentin> rxr: url ? 15:53 < rxr> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Java/Reference/1.3.1/Java131API_QTJ/quicktime/std/image/GraphicsExporter.html 15:53 < rxr> and other useless sites in that area ... 15:53 < rxr> I only crawl thru the java doc since the normal quicktime docu is equally useless ... 15:54 < rxr> I think I'm going to mess with the picture handle manually and overwrite the resolution in it - so quicktime does not scale it so strangely ... 15:55 < valentin> hm 15:55 < valentin> okay 15:55 < valentin> i pack my things now 15:55 < valentin> cu later 15:58 < mnemoc> rxr: what is 'cheap people'? 15:59 < rxr> well - outsorced ones ... 15:59 < rxr> outsourced even ... 15:59 < rxr> wherever big companies find them ... 16:00 < rxr> mnemoc: should I call dell again ? 16:00 < mnemoc> nah 16:01 < mnemoc> i'll buy the damn thing 16:03 < mnemoc> if i buy it today i'll get the damn transformer on may 3 16:04 < mnemoc> if i fight, i doubt to win, and i'll get it even more delayed 16:11 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@64.237.128.201] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:12 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@64.237.132.217] has joined #t2 16:16 < rxr> mnemoc: you have too much money ... 16:19 < mnemoc> no i don't have any 16:19 < mnemoc> but i need to work 16:20 < mnemoc> beeing unable to work is more expensive than the damn transformer 16:21 < mnemoc> in the last 5 days i have spend almost the double on medical exams, treatments, and 'reviews' for my daughters 16:21 < mnemoc> if i don't produce money... 16:22 < mnemoc> i feel stolen by DELL, but i can't delay it any longer 16:25 < rxr> you know what I would tell them ... 16:25 < rxr> anyway your doughters are fine ? 16:26 < mnemoc> nope... they have 'review' today again 16:26 < mnemoc> what is the right word for tat? 16:26 < mnemoc> control? 16:27 < Minto> mnemoc: What is wrong with your daughters? 16:27 < rxr> tat control ? 16:27 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.11.194] has quit [Excess Flood] 16:28 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.11.194] has joined #t2 16:29 < mnemoc> Minto: mixed viruses and a bacteria 16:29 < mnemoc> rxr: what 'tat' means? 16:29 < Minto> Nothing serious I hope? 16:29 < mnemoc> not really serius yet, but if it isn't stoped asap it can get serious 16:30 < rxr> .oO 16:31 < Minto> .oO indeed. You need clamav on your daughters 16:32 < mnemoc> we are all ill,this is a damn loop 16:33 < jeru_> re 16:33 < jeru_> hi mnemoc 16:33 < mnemoc> hi jeru_ 16:34 < rxr> mnemoc: are you still? or healty again ? 16:34 < mnemoc> less ill but not healty 16:34 < rxr> oh my ... 16:34 < rxr> I wish you all good luck 16:35 < mnemoc> thank you :) 16:35 < jeru_> mnemoc: scrolled up and down to see what I've missed ... doesn't sound good at all ... transformer, your daughter ... :( 16:35 < mnemoc> c'est la vie 16:36 * jeru_ wishes mnemoc + family also all the best 16:36 < mnemoc> last year i had my big daughter with kinesiologist due to pulmonary problems twice, and the story is repeating this year, but duplicated (both girls) 16:38 < mnemoc> jeru_: :) 16:39 < jeru_> mnemoc: btw, last week I heared that in chile the risk for getting skin cancer is very high because chile seems to be very close to a hole in the ozon layer :/ 16:39 < mnemoc> yep, more than half of the country in below the hole 16:40 < jeru_> oh oh :/ 16:40 < rxr> ... 16:41 < mnemoc> biggest cities and beatches are not yet below it, but the hole is getting bigger every year 16:41 < mnemoc> beaches* 16:43 < jeru_> damn environmental pollution 16:44 < mnemoc> in kioto thing we trust :) 16:44 < Minto> Now only bush has to join. 16:45 < Minto> Look like the nothern hemisphere created the polution and the southern has to pay the price. 16:45 < jeru_> btw Kioto is just a small step ... 16:45 < jeru_> Minto: ack 16:45 < mnemoc> Uncle Sam rejects to give this small step 16:46 < jeru_> Minto: this is not just the case with the env. polution 16:46 < Minto> Yes, that uncle seems to reject a lot of things. 16:47 < jeru_> but as all of you know uncle is send by his good, and just follows his rules 16:47 < mnemoc> he only thinks in 'saving the world' but his toughts are odd 16:47 < jeru_> fighting for "freedom and democracy" 16:48 < rxr> it is your uncle? oh my god ... 16:50 < jeru_> mnemoc: he only thinks about resources, money, ..., so his god's are mostly sitting at the wallstreet 16:51 < rxr> hm - this damn Mail.app is sooo slooooooooooooow. 16:52 < mnemoc> rxr: uncle sam convensed europe to over tax chilean salmon two month ago, he seems to be your uncle too :) 16:52 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:52 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 16:52 < sepp> puppets can not think 16:52 < rxr> I have no uncle in the us ... 16:53 < rxr> whom are you talking about? this crimial dictator they placed to rule the people ? 16:54 < Minto> Hee hee, he was elected. 16:54 < jeru_> sepp: anyhow ... this guy is remote controlled ;) 16:54 < jeru_> Minto: do you really believe that ??? 16:54 < Minto> Nope 16:54 * jeru_ is feeling better now 16:54 < mnemoc> no, uncle sam is not president. is a marketing image used to represent the 'country' itself 16:54 < jeru_> :) 16:54 < Minto> They make a fine show of every time. 16:55 < Minto> But, they sure know how to entertain. 16:55 < Minto> I like comedies. 16:56 < rxr> mnemoc: I just wanted to make that comment ... 16:56 < mnemoc> :p 16:56 < rxr> Minto: if it would be commedy ... - however it feels more like a world destroying war ... 16:56 < mnemoc> there are lot of countries where democracy doesn't work, us is one of those 16:57 < Minto> I just meant the elections. 16:57 < sepp> germany also 16:57 < jeru_> mnemoc: do you think democracy is working in germany ? 16:57 < jeru_> sepp ack 16:57 < mnemoc> i can't comment about germany :) 16:58 < Minto> Democracy has been the same since the ancient greek. Money rules. 16:58 < jeru_> mnemoc: Dell is a good example ... who's ruling the world 16:58 < jeru_> Minto: ack 16:58 < rxr> well - german inhabitants are also a bit too stupid for democracy to work ... 16:58 < jeru_> rxr: also ack 16:59 < Minto> But is there a good alternative. 17:00 < Minto> Once people get powers they abuse it. No matter how they got. 17:00 < rxr> well - I do not know the law in chile ... - in germany dell would not have got away with that transformer ... 17:01 < jeru_> it's the money which makes people go crazy 17:01 < jeru_> the question is: why the human beings invented the money ? 17:01 < mnemoc> rxr: law in chile takes _years_ to decide things 17:01 < rxr> if they would not have been able to send me a replacement I would have the right to declare the transaction void ... 17:02 < sepp> jeru_: bacuse a hlaf cow does not fit in most pockets 17:02 < rxr> in the warranty period ... 17:02 < rxr> which is 2 years in germany since a year++ now ... 17:02 < jeru_> sepp: hehe 17:02 < rxr> it is easy to do so on the first 6 month of it - and mostly easy in the following 18 ... 17:03 < jeru_> an other mistake are the interests (finan.) 17:04 < jeru_> it's the only perpetum mobile on earth ... and all believe in that 17:05 < Minto> Money probably was invented to make taxes easy. :-) 17:05 < jeru_> Minto: that's for sure 17:07 < mnemoc> ack 17:08 < jeru_> e.g. invest 1.000.000 in fruits and do nothing with it for 10 years and place the same amount in a tresor ... what will have more value after 10 years ? 17:09 < jeru_> sepp: of course you can replace fruits with cows 17:09 < jeru_> ;) 17:09 < Minto> On the other hand having half a dozen half cows in my bank account would be no good. the'd rot before I have the change to spend them. 17:09 < Minto> s/the/they/ 17:10 < jeru_> Minto: now you see ... 17:10 < jeru_> ,) 17:10 < Minto> Yepp, we all need money. 17:10 < jeru_> we're force to need it would be a better explanation 17:10 < Minto> It's somehow a legal drug 17:10 < jeru_> ack 17:12 < Minto> Then hare krisna and the other sekts are right. Transfer all funds to their leaders and free yourself from this addiction. 17:13 < Minto> I'd rather burn it. :-) 17:13 * jeru_ thinks Minto is joking ,) 17:13 < jeru_> it's a kind of vicious circle 17:13 < sepp> i need no money, the only thing i need is something to eat and a roof 17:14 < mnemoc> and money to pay them 17:14 < jeru_> sepp: ack .. but you forgot an internet connection and a hackbox ,) 17:15 < Minto> Now I know why we all work on T2. To break free. Work on something good for free and feel good. 17:15 < mnemoc> :) 17:15 < jeru_> Minto: indeed ... 17:15 < jeru_> :) 17:16 < Minto> Let me do some more 17:17 < jeru_> establish an own economic circuit could probably solve the problem 17:17 < Minto> Sorry, I can't get any satisfaction from that. ;-) 17:19 < Minto> Or maybe something like. I give to two simple packages and get 1 complex in return. Hey, we already do that. 17:19 < Minto> sort of. 17:20 < jeru_> Minto: and you'll becoming part of the complex one too ;) 17:22 < Minto> No thanks, I already have a complex. :-D 17:27 * Minto stops joking and needs some fuel. 17:29 < mnemoc> fuel is over dollar/liter since yesterday here 17:30 < Minto> That kind of fuel cost around 3 dollar/liter over here. 17:31 * jeru_ is moving home now ... cu later ... :) 17:31 < mnemoc> Minto: uhm 17:31 < mnemoc> jeru_: cu 17:31 -!- mubex_ [~sparc@64.237.131.134] has joined #t2 17:31 < jeru_> ahh ... rxr: does prelude build on your PPC box ? 17:33 < jeru_> bbl :) 17:33 -!- jeru_ [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 17:39 < keinek> hey guys 17:39 < keinek> i have one problem with audacity 17:39 < keinek> http://projects.hsol.net/red-handed/system/log/5-audacity.err 17:43 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@64.237.132.217] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:46 < mnemoc> makefile seems to be creating every directory, and sequentialy it should have got created 17:47 < mnemoc> so i think it's a parallelism problem 17:47 < mnemoc> one option can be flag it as NOPARALLEL 17:47 < mnemoc> and another to patch Makefile to use mkdir -p instead of mkdir 17:47 < mnemoc> i would prefer the second 17:47 < rxr> jeru: yes prelude built ... 17:47 < mnemoc> but the first will confirm if it really is a paralellism problem 17:57 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@64.237.128.16] has joined #t2 17:58 -!- mubex_ [~sparc@64.237.131.134] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:09 < keinek> mnemoc, audacity is fine 18:09 < mnemoc> did you removed it before rebuilding? 18:09 < keinek> i only remove the .err 18:10 < keinek> and add [F] ... in .desc 18:10 < keinek> Build-Target again and work fine 18:10 < keinek> Now is compile tcl 18:10 < keinek> :) 18:10 < mnemoc> if you only remove .err file the dirs will be there from previous build 18:10 < mnemoc> you need to Create-ErrList -cfg system -remove audacity 18:10 < keinek> and... but work :) 18:11 < mnemoc> this time 18:11 < keinek> ok 18:11 < keinek> i do that next time 18:11 < keinek> i dont know that 18:11 < mnemoc> but wont work the next time you do a fresh build 18:11 -!- mubex_ [~sparc@65-23-204-115.prtc.net] has joined #t2 18:11 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@64.237.128.16] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:27 < Minto> mnemoc or rxr: When referring to the download location from within the Download script, what should I use to get an absolute path? $base ? 18:27 < mnemoc> $base/download/.... 18:27 < Minto> Thanks 18:27 < mnemoc> but match_source_file -p does it easier 18:28 < Minto> I am in the Download script not in some .conf 18:28 < Minto> I am trying to the that manual stuff. 18:28 < mnemoc> :) 18:28 < mnemoc> in that case you don't use $base 18:29 < mnemoc> just relative path 18:29 < Minto> Oh, relative path won't do. 18:29 < mnemoc> but $bzfile includes that 18:29 < mnemoc> $gzfile is the unconverted 18:29 < mnemoc> it includes local/mirror part 18:30 < mnemoc> considering if it's -manual:// or manual:// 18:31 < Minto> To minimize the changes I added file:// too (curl supports it.). But for curl to be able to copy stuff it needs the full path. something like file:////download/manual/ . I am looking for the X replacement. 18:31 < Minto> Or should I just use `pwd` 18:31 < mnemoc> that won't work 18:31 < Minto> What will. 18:32 < mnemoc> cp $HOME/${gzfile##*/} $bzfile 18:32 < mnemoc> something like that 18:33 < Minto> I will post a diff, then you'll understand what I am looking for. 18:33 < mnemoc> ok 18:35 < Minto> It's not that much. I will post it in here. 18:35 < Minto> root@server:~/t2/trunk# svn diff scripts/Download 18:35 < Minto> Index: scripts/Download 18:35 < Minto> =================================================================== 18:35 < Minto> --- scripts/Download (revision 8054) 18:35 < Minto> +++ scripts/Download (working copy) 18:35 < Minto> @@ -482,7 +482,32 @@ 18:35 < Minto> # Download 18:35 < Minto> # 18:36 < Minto> case "$url" in 18:36 < Minto> - http://*|https://*|ftp://*) 18:36 < Minto> + manual://*) 18:36 < Minto> + # Determine if the file has already been downloaded 18:36 < Minto> + # manually. For this we first look in $HOME then in 18:36 < Minto> + # download/manual. 18:36 < Minto> + downloadfile="${gzfile##*/}" 18:36 < Minto> + if [ -e $HOME/$downloadfile ]; then 18:36 < Minto> + location=file://$HOME/ 18:36 < Minto> + elif [ -e XXX/download/manual/$downloadfile ]; then 18:36 < Minto> + location=file://XXX/download/manual/ 18:36 < Minto> + else 18:36 < Minto> + # No manual download has taken place yet. 18:36 < Minto> + # So inform the user to do so. 18:36 < Minto> + echo "The file $downloadfile can not be fetched" \ 18:36 < Minto> + "automatically - please visit" \ 18:36 < Minto> + "${url:9} and download it manually" \ 18:36 < Minto> + "into $HOME or download/manual/ ..." 18:36 < Minto> + return 1; 18:36 < Minto> + fi 18:36 < Minto> + 18:36 < Minto> + # I am to lazy to do the copy and conversion myself, 18:36 < Minto> + # so I use this function again with a modified 18:36 < Minto> + # download location. 18:36 < Minto> + download_file_now "$location" $gzfile $bzfile 18:36 < Minto> + return "$?" 18:36 < Minto> + ;; 18:36 < Minto> + http://*|https://*|ftp://*|file://*) 18:36 < Minto> if [ -s "$gzfile.incomplete" ] ; then 18:36 < Minto> echo "INFO: Trying to resume previous download .." 18:36 < Minto> resume="-C -" 18:36 < Minto> I am looking for a replacement of the XXX's 18:37 < mnemoc> no no 18:37 < mnemoc> don't use download/manual 18:37 < Minto> Why not. 18:37 < mnemoc> there is no reason to it 18:37 < mnemoc> brb 18:38 < Minto> what is brb ? 18:40 < mnemoc> be right back 18:40 < mnemoc> but i'm back 18:40 -!- jeru_ [~jeru@p54BFF1B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 18:40 < jeru_> re hi 18:40 < mnemoc> hi jeru_ 18:40 < Minto> hi jeru_ 18:41 < jeru_> hi mnemoc, Mnto, * 18:42 < mnemoc> Minto: you also need to adapt gzfile to assume ! if manual:// 18:42 < jeru_> damn ... funny people are living around me ... there's an old man living in my street and he polish his car after every rain shower :) 18:45 < Minto> mnemoc: have a good look. The download will be copied from download/manual to download {mirror,local} just like from $HOME. So I don't need to adapt gzfile. I think. 18:45 < mnemoc> gzfile is generated using part of download location 18:46 < mnemoc> a download location which doesn't have anything usefull in manual:// case 18:46 -!- mubex_ is now known as sparc-kly 18:49 < Minto> Yeah, but it is centralized. I wouldn't want downloads just in my $HOME. I'd prefer to put the downloads in some directory for instance $HOME/manual. I know the downloads are needed only temporary for T2. However I might want the original downloads for other purposes as well. I was even thinking of introducing an environment variable for this purpose, so manual download location can be configured. 18:51 < Minto> mnemoc: regarding the generated gzfile. If it were a problem it would also be for $HOME. 18:53 < mnemoc> we could use -manual-dir= to override $HOME/ 18:54 < Minto> That's a good one. manual-dir defaults to $HOME. 18:54 < mnemoc> what is: download_file_now "$location" $gzfile $bzfile ? 18:55 < Minto> It's a recursive call. 18:55 < mnemoc> i mean the arguemnts 18:56 < mnemoc> set -x :) 18:56 * Minto has to bring his son to bed. 18:57 < mnemoc> :) 19:00 * Minto is dancing with his son 19:00 < mnemoc> :D 19:02 < mnemoc> i'll go to the bank 19:03 < mnemoc> cu 19:03 < mnemoc> happy dancing 19:03 < Minto> A few more minutes and he will be asleep. 19:10 < _Ragnar_> moin 19:10 < valentin> re 19:37 < rxr> rehi 19:37 < Minto> hi rxr 19:39 < jeru_> hi rxr 19:40 < jeru_> rxr: was your PPC prelude build successful 19:44 < rxr> yes 19:44 < rxr> == 04/05/05 14:57:22 =[9]=> Finished building package prelude-lml. 19:44 < rxr> == 04/05/05 14:53:54 =[9]=> Finished building package snort. 19:45 < rxr> == 04/05/05 14:53:54 =[9]=> Finished building package snort. 19:45 < rxr> == 04/05/05 14:47:26 =[9]=> Finished building package prelude-manager. 19:45 < rxr> == 04/05/05 14:43:19 =[9]=> Finished building package libpreludedb. 19:45 < rxr> == 04/05/05 14:39:31 =[9]=> Finished building package libprelude. 19:45 < rxr> and such 19:45 < jeru_> ahhh cool :) 19:46 < jeru_> btw ... yoann has tested his things already on another machine and it was working too ,) 19:46 < jeru_> rxr: thank you again :) 19:48 < rxr> no problem 19:50 < rxr> it was on a cpu : 604r 19:50 < rxr> clock : 375MHz 19:50 < rxr> revision : 49.2 (pvr 0009 3102) 19:50 < rxr> bogomips : 372.73 19:50 < rxr> machine : CHRP IBM,7046-B50 19:51 < jeru_> hehe ... interesting bogomips value ;) 20:19 < rxr> of course 21:19 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-249-132.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 21:24 < rxr> hi ojh 21:24 < ojh> rxr: hi 21:25 < ojh> I'm taking a break from calculating my taxes to fix and rediff the Zero Install patch. :) 21:36 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.212.184.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:38 < Minto> rxr: What does autoextract do when there are multiple downloads. For IBM jre I have 4 downloads. one per arch. Only one of these needs to be extracted. Can I use autoextract or should I do it myself. 21:48 < rxr> re 21:49 < rxr> autoextract takes the first one of the list of Ds 21:49 < rxr> unless you set [SRC] to some regex pattern - then all matching ones are build in a loop ... 21:49 < rxr> you want to use match_source_file with an regex based on the architecture 21:50 < rxr> ojh: nice - except the tax thing ... 21:54 < Minto> rxr: another question. How do I copy a directory tree and leave links intact? I believe cp -R copies everything but if the original contains links, the copied one will not. 21:54 < _Ragnar_> tar 21:55 < Minto> thanks _Ragnar_ 21:56 < Minto> Do I have to tar and then untar, or is it possible in one command. 22:03 < rxr> two with pipe in between ... 22:05 < Minto> ack 22:06 < ojh> rxr: I procrastinate terribly . . . . when it comes to paperwork. But I just reposted the Zero-Install patch. 22:06 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-249-132.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 22:11 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-249-132.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 22:14 < Minto> rxr: untarring then tar | untar. Seems a wast of time. Is it possible to have the first untar go straight to the right place. Unfortunately there is a toplevel dir (IBMJava2-142) in the tar that I want to be different ($prefix). 22:16 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-249-132.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 22:17 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-249-132.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 22:41 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-249-132.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 23:45 * jeru_ awakened on the sofa ... I'm too tired today ... cu you all later :) 23:45 < jeru_> good night .... 23:46 -!- jeru_ [~jeru@p54BFF1B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] --- Log closed Wed Apr 06 00:00:23 2005