--- Log opened Tue Mar 29 00:00:27 2005 00:00 < rxr> hi mnemoc 00:01 < mnemoc> hi rxr 00:03 < keinek> hi mnemoc 00:04 < mnemoc> hi keinek 00:07 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.200.24.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 00:08 < rxr> finally ... 00:08 < rxr> ok - all the quirks work arounded ... 00:08 < rxr> took me only - what - 6 hours or so ... 00:09 < rxr> and about 6 reboots or so ... 00:09 < mnemoc> OSX? 00:09 < rxr> and I have to reboot again - since right now one USB port is already power less == dead again ... 00:09 < rxr> but at least the i/o code works for all device types again ... 00:09 < rxr> mnemoc: what else .. 00:09 < mnemoc> :) 00:10 < rxr> mnemoc: have I everer moroned about the linux usb stack - nope - that one is more well coded ... 00:15 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.207.186.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:16 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp 00:16 < mnemoc> sepp: i had to commit as 'sepp' as your mail didn't showed your name :( 00:16 * mnemoc jerk 00:16 < mnemoc> i should have read [M]s 00:16 * mnemoc too sick to think, sorry 00:17 < sepp> mnemoc: np 00:17 < rxr> mnemoc: are you really sick now? 00:17 < mnemoc> yep 00:17 < rxr> oh - poor mnemoc /me handing a hot tea w/ lemmon 00:17 < mnemoc> but i have to finish my ldap thing before 20:00, 1:40+ 00:17 < mnemoc> rxr: thank you! 00:17 < sepp> i changed sepp to my name in the last mail 00:17 < mnemoc> i needed it 00:18 < mnemoc> == 18:14:21 =[5]=> Building audio/rezound [0.11.1 2.1.0-rc1]. 00:18 < mnemoc> four minutes ago 00:18 < rxr> mnemoc: what did you change ? 00:19 < mnemoc> sepp did 00:19 < rxr> oh - cool - thanks sepp 00:19 < sepp> worked for me i tested many things 00:19 < rxr> cool - rezound is quite nice ... 00:19 < sepp> i think the patch works well 00:19 < rxr> nice 00:19 < rxr> audacity is also not that bad 00:20 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/T2/regressions.html <-- sepp, if you want to keep fixing :) 00:20 < rxr> so - 0.3 version of our driver declared frozen now ... 00:20 < rxr> looking towards 0.4 with i18n support - and the ExactScan Application ... 00:20 < sepp> the cvs audacity works? 00:20 < mnemoc> not 2005-02-28 00:20 * rxr has no idea - did not try ... 00:20 < mnemoc> that's what i have on my test field 00:20 < rxr> patching audacity to the wxwidget utf8 stuff is much work ... 00:20 < sepp> i spent an half h with the old audacity code 00:20 < sepp> damn 00:21 < rxr> maybe we should go for two wxwidgets pacakges for the next months until that settles down ... 00:21 < sepp> wxwidget 2.5 is really straneg 00:21 < valentin> re 00:21 < rxr> sepp: I also spent some time hacking audacity - but gave up 00:21 < valentin> stupid bsd ssh 00:21 < rxr> hi valentin ! 00:21 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if 2.4 and 2.5 can live together 00:21 < rxr> valentin: IO problems solved very elegantly ... 00:21 < rxr> valentin: 0.3 declared frozen ... 00:21 < rxr> valentin: I work in trunk now ... 00:21 < sepp> rxr: i also gave up 00:22 < rxr> valentin: next thing will be the moved scan initialization ... 00:22 < sepp> i dont understand the stange wx string code 00:22 < rxr> yes it is very fragile .. 00:22 < rxr> if you like I can tar my lingering snapshot up that mostly bulit ... 00:22 < mnemoc> sepp: xmule has only a few String failures, you can learn with it :) 00:22 < rxr> however I think this is not the way to go - the patch is huge ... 00:22 < rxr> mnemoc: IIRC I tried - but that is really quite messy ... 00:23 < rxr> sepp: do you also think adding two wxwidget packags would be the best interim solution ? 00:23 < sepp> i patched away 10 string problems but then i got something really strange 00:23 < sepp> yes 00:23 < mnemoc> rxr: you tried 1.95, not 1.10 00:23 < mnemoc> 1.9.5 00:23 < valentin> rxr: ic 00:24 < mnemoc> 1.10 claims to be wx25 aware 00:24 < mnemoc> at least it detects it con configure 00:24 < mnemoc> == 03/28/05 18:23:30 =[5]=> Finished building package rezound. 00:24 < mnemoc> sepp: doesn't autgen=1 work for rezound? 00:25 < sepp> hmm dont know 00:25 < sepp> i know my patch is big... 00:26 < mnemoc> mine was shorter and didn't worked 00:28 < CIA-9> amery * r7845 /trunk/package/audio/rezound/ (fox_1.4.patch rezound.cache rezound.conf): 00:28 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech : 00:28 < CIA-9> * fixed rezound to build with fox 1.4 00:29 < mnemoc> == 03/28/05 18:28:23 =[5]=> Finished building package mjpegtools. 00:29 < sepp> i like fox 00:29 < mnemoc> what is more important is that you understand autocrap :) 00:30 < sepp> yes 00:30 < mnemoc> we all had religious problems against lerning it :p 00:31 < mnemoc> that was an structural missing brick 00:31 < sepp> but its so ugly... 00:31 < mnemoc> *ACK* 00:33 < rxr> yes - a big one .. 00:34 < sepp> maybe someone can clean up 00:34 < mnemoc> i have even patch on premake to bypass this need 00:34 < rxr> I meant auto* is ugly - not the patch ... 00:34 < valentin> imo the biggest problem of autoconf is m4 and those huge generated scripts 00:34 < CIA-9> amery * r7846 /trunk/package/multimedia/mjpegtools/ebx_unclobber.patch: 00:34 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis : 00:34 < CIA-9> * fixed mjpegtools to compile for mmx 00:35 < valentin> why do they need to hardcopy all the lines of script for every stupid header file check ? 00:35 < valentin> instead of using shell functions ? 00:35 < valentin> those 40.000 line scripts are unreadable 00:36 < valentin> and the m4 input with all those [[ ] [ [[ ] ]] is, too 00:36 < rxr> 40.000 ? be happy if you have such a tiny one ... 00:36 < rxr> the tiny libusb already has 23444 .... 00:36 < valentin> rxr: i am talking about simple console apps 00:36 < mnemoc> because they think in 'makefile' 00:36 < rxr> mnemoc: huh? 00:36 < valentin> their automake files suck, too 00:37 < rxr> mnemoc: makefiles are also not written that way ... 00:37 < rxr> mnemoc: look into gsmp, macosd and the other stuff I've done - that is how makefiles are written ... 00:37 < rxr> rules included - and source files and deps not hardcoded - but both determined automatically ... 00:37 < valentin> make hell 00:37 < rxr> yes - ack 00:37 < mnemoc> there are clwna makefiles, and there are 'smart' makefiles which force a flow control discustingly 00:37 < mnemoc> clean* 00:38 < rxr> mine are clean _and_ smart ... 00:38 < mnemoc> nested makefiles are unreadables 00:38 < mnemoc> :) 00:38 < valentin> mnemoc: and then there is automake 00:38 < rxr> or better exactcode internal ones - that is valentin wrote those too 00:38 < valentin> the root of all evil 00:38 < rxr> valentin: ok - let's continue coding 00:38 < rxr> i wanna get into bed some time soon ,-) 00:40 < valentin> rxr: in the nib the umlauts work ?! 00:40 < rxr> you tested and it works ? 00:40 < valentin> in the nib 00:40 < valentin> not the string files 00:41 < rxr> so I gues sthe string files just have the wrong encoding ... 00:41 < rxr> valentin: what was the syntax to execute a selector manually ? 00:42 < valentin> [obj perform:Sel] or so 00:42 < valentin> rxr: scanner does not work anymore 00:42 < rxr> not at all ? 00:42 < rxr> ok - then just do not test - I do ... 00:42 < valentin> it is beeing detected but it always does error on scan 00:43 < valentin> how do i spell "schliessen" ? 00:43 < valentin> rxr: now it worked 00:44 < rxr> with sz ? 00:44 < rxr> valentin: hm- the file is not utf8 ... 00:44 < rxr> don't you think the text files should be encoded utf8 ? 00:44 < valentin> what is the encoding ? my pbuilder said utf8 00:44 < valentin> but it saved in other codings sometime 00:46 < rxr> xcode sais non explicit - I clicked it to utf8 now - and editied the files with vi 00:46 < rxr> let's see .. 00:47 < CIA-9> amery * r7847 /trunk/package/ (30 files in 25 dirs): * added some missing copyright notes 00:48 < valentin> can you check them in ? 00:48 < rxr> utf8 encoded they show up correctly ... 00:49 < valentin> that is good 00:49 < rxr> second 00:51 < CIA-9> amery * r7848 /trunk/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * added last bunch of missing copyright notes 00:51 < CIA-9> amery * r7849 /trunk/package/multimedia/vls/ (vls.cache vls.desc): * added right [CV-URL] for vls, and update cache file 00:52 < valentin> btw: windows is more secure than linux 00:52 < valentin> another independend research (paid by M$) 00:53 < valentin> microsoft is faster with patching than redhat 00:53 < rxr> valentin: please do not inject those supiid "Fehler code crap" 00:53 < valentin> Fehler code ? 00:53 < rxr> in the english version was just error - not error code ... 00:53 < rxr> you wrote that ... 00:53 < rxr> in the german file ... 00:53 < valentin> yep 00:53 < valentin> rxr: those messages do not appear anyway 00:53 < valentin> and it is a return code from sane that is unknown 00:54 < valentin> should not happen in our code tree 00:55 < mnemoc> Total : 1551 00:55 < mnemoc> Built Fine : 1485 00:55 < mnemoc> Broken Builds : 66 00:55 < mnemoc> Pending Builds : 0 00:55 * mnemoc moving home now 00:55 < mnemoc> cu * 00:56 < rxr> cu mnemoc 00:56 < rxr> valentin: xcode sucks on that files 00:56 < valentin> rxr: can you check them in anyway - we can edit them in vi or so 00:56 * valentin back in 10 minutes 00:56 < rxr> cu valentin 00:57 < rxr> checked in 00:57 < valentin> ok i test it first 00:57 < rxr> I have no idea if xcode left them intact 00:57 < rxr> and I messed up one line ... 00:57 < rxr> with vi ... 00:57 < rxr> however you foced me to commit ... 00:59 < valentin> huh - it does not work anymore 00:59 < valentin> i have english strings now 00:59 * valentin back in 10 minutes 01:00 < rxr> hm 01:00 < rxr> just revert it ... 01:05 < sepp> is there any good book/howto about auto* ? 01:14 < rxr> there should be ,-) 01:16 < sepp> autocrap for morons in 23 days? 01:17 < rxr> yep ,-) *lol* 01:17 < rxr> valentin: ok - I moved aroudn the scan start stuff 01:18 < rxr> very ugly - and we open windows where i/o errors will not be covered very well - but it works (as long as there is no error) 01:18 < rxr> I think I'll reshufle the whole scan start stuff tomorrow or so ... 01:19 < rxr> hm - but that conflicts with the idea of delaying the TWAIN notification further 01:19 < rxr> remeber we wanted to delay it and scan the whole page before notifing TWAIN - so that we could hand truncated to real paper lenght images to the application ... 01:20 < rxr> when we delay the real scan even more that is not possible any more ... 01:20 < rxr> hm 01:22 < valentin> rxr: i think you deleted a semicolon or so 01:24 < rxr> ok - duplex scanning into pdf works ... 01:24 < rxr> valentin: what do you wanna do now? 01:24 < rxr> I would like to be in bed as soon as possible ... 01:24 < valentin> find that semicolon 01:25 < valentin> what would you like me to do ? 01:25 < rxr> well - don't know ... 01:25 < rxr> if your work takes long to get i18n 0.4 out in some minutes I would rather delay it until tomorrow ... 01:25 < rxr> and just notify them about 0.3.10 and 0.3.11 and exactscan ... 01:25 < rxr> what do you think about the scan start issue ? 01:26 < valentin> i think i am to tired to do it now without breaking sth 01:27 < rxr> yeah - the the start point move is also higly experimental ... 01:27 < rxr> and I'm not sure if we want to do that ... 01:27 < valentin> rxr: see query 01:27 < rxr> yep - and ? 01:28 < valentin> it tells me the file is no utf8 01:28 < rxr> well I was not finished with it 01:28 < rxr> there is still yunk in it ... 01:28 < valentin> this is the only thing missing for an i18n version :( 01:28 < rxr> well - let's go into bed - and get up early 01:28 < rxr> I think that would help us more 01:28 < valentin> i could create new file and copy/paste the content 01:28 < valentin> ok 01:29 < valentin> :) 01:29 < valentin> i will try to stand up early 01:29 < valentin> but if i fail, you can call me as early as you need me 01:33 < rxr> $ du -csh ExactScan.app/ 40K ExactScan.app/ 01:33 < rxr> hm 01:33 < rxr> damn scmall 01:42 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.11.134] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:42 < jsaw> 3 days, 57 emails on t2... damn 01:42 < jsaw> hi all 01:44 < valentin> hi jsaw 01:44 < jsaw> hi valentin 01:45 < rxr> hi jsaw 01:45 < jsaw> hi rxr 01:46 < valentin> i am eating yogurt that expired 3 weeks ago 01:46 < valentin> but it still tastes 01:46 < jsaw> rev57 on my thesis 01:48 < valentin> is that much ? i mean: how many revs do you ci per day 01:49 < jsaw> actually I just wanted to state that I use svn for it... 01:49 < jsaw> I think I do one to three commits per week 01:49 < jsaw> but I also commit code that I use to analyze data or simulate something 01:49 < valentin> i started using svn for my studies some time ago - after to much losses when LaTeXing stuff late night 01:50 < jsaw> hehe 01:50 < valentin> and working on different machines 01:50 < jsaw> .oO(exactly) 01:51 < valentin> diff is sufficient to sync changes in theory - but svn is much more confortable and error tolerant :) 01:52 < jsaw> yep 01:52 < jsaw> same arguments here 01:52 < valentin> and you do not need to backuck every chunk of text you delete 01:53 < valentin> ok, the repro may be lost on the server, but then i can blame rxr :P 01:53 < jsaw> :] 01:53 < valentin> or ibm for creating lousy hard drives .oO 01:54 < valentin> can one get sick of old yogurt ? 01:54 < rxr> yes 01:55 < valentin> hm - it still tasted good so no mold. but maybe bacteria .... 01:55 < valentin> i will see if i get sick tomorow 01:55 < valentin> could be OSX, too 01:56 < rxr> valentin: should I commit that experimental delayed start code? 01:56 < rxr> maybe we should not keep that anyway ... 01:57 < rxr> r17 of our exact-scan ... 01:57 < valentin> rxr: i have no idea what you did exactly, so i cannot decide whether it is usable or not 01:57 < rxr> I think this will never work reliable in i/o cases ... 01:57 < rxr> and we wanted to scan the whole page before telling the app to be able to stop after paper end ... 01:57 < rxr> I commit it not yet. ... 01:58 < rxr> I don't commit it yet ... 01:58 < rxr> even 01:58 < rxr> time for bed ... 01:58 < valentin> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/03/28/2237230.shtml?tid=137&tid=106 01:58 < rxr> valentin: btw. I need to hury writing the gcc article for the linux mag in the next 2 days or so .. 01:58 < valentin> rxr: i found the missing colon 01:59 < valentin> next two days ? 01:59 < valentin> .oO 01:59 < valentin> we need to clone rxr 01:59 < valentin> jsaw: you have good connections to biologists ? 01:59 < rxr> valentin: I crawl into bed now .. 02:00 < valentin> cu gn8 02:00 < rxr> do you think I missed s.th. with our commercial relations ?? 02:00 < valentin> why ? 02:00 < rxr> btw. you promissed someone to send source cd on the cebit ... 02:00 < rxr> don't forget that if you really wanna do ... 02:00 < rxr> because you got cc'ed ... 02:01 < valentin> cc'ed ? 02:01 < rxr> the mails ? 02:02 < valentin> topic ? maybe i overlooked it 02:02 < valentin> fixed the colon but still does not work 02:02 < rxr> ehrm - announce as usual 02:02 < valentin> maybe tomorow 02:02 < rxr> your usual @exactcode.de account ... 02:02 < sepp> damn i really do not understand wx stings 02:03 < valentin> rxr: i missunderstood you 02:03 < sepp> strings* 02:04 < valentin> rxr: works again 02:04 < valentin> but there are some chars wrong 02:04 < valentin> the ü works 02:05 < rxr> I tried some with xcode - but i's editor f*cks up ... 02:05 < valentin> rxr: most umlauts work 02:05 < valentin> some are still wrong, but that should be fixable 02:06 < valentin> lets do tomorow 02:06 < rxr> I might not have catched all - since you forced me to commit 02:06 * rxr bed ... - n8 all 02:08 < valentin> me too 02:08 < valentin> cu in some hours 02:08 < valentin> happy hacking 02:08 < rxr> haha 02:08 < valentin> haha ? 02:08 < rxr> yeah - cu all 02:08 < rxr> the in some hours - due few sleep 02:08 < rxr> n8 02:26 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.55] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:27 < jsaw> valentin: biologists, yes I do 02:29 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.28] has joined #t2 02:29 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.12.123] has joined #t2 02:29 < keinek> hi 02:37 < jsaw> leaving, cu later 03:09 -!- ideal [~idealm_@222.65.118.172] has joined #t2 03:10 < ideal> morning 03:27 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.12.123] has quit ["Abandonando"] 03:47 < mnemoc> rehi 04:28 -!- madtux [~mike@cable200-116-192-47.epm.net.co] has joined #t2 04:29 -!- madtux [~mike@cable200-116-192-47.epm.net.co] has quit [Client Quit] 04:56 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@66.50.157.247] has joined #t2 05:15 < mnemoc> *yawn* 06:50 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jsaw 06:51 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jsaw 07:35 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.192.10.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 07:35 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | @CeBIT Hall 6 H30-532 07:35 -!- Topic set by ao [] [Wed Mar 16 09:21:34 2005] 07:35 [Users #t2] 07:35 [ _Ragnar_] [ ideal] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin] 07:35 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly] 07:35 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal] 07:35 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 07:35 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 07:51 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.200.198.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:11 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-246-160.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 08:29 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-246-160.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 08:31 -!- Minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 10:17 < rxr_> moin 10:17 -!- You're now known as rxr 10:19 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 10:23 < rxr> mnemoc: blackbox 0.70 10:24 < rxr> mnemoc: ? MySQL 5.0.3 10:30 -!- Minto__ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 10:30 -!- Minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:06 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["leaving"] 11:36 < valentin> moin 11:36 < rxr> moin 11:38 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2005032820362927349 11:38 < rxr> *lol* 11:39 < valentin> too good they have not to many responsible users - imagine 20 people needed to vote for that patch ... 11:59 < rxr> new nvidia driver is out 11:59 < rxr> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run 12:00 < rxr> I find it discusting as it that they now throw their .cache files into the submaster ... 12:08 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 13:25 -!- ideal [~idealm_@222.65.118.172] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:28 -!- Minto__ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041110]"] 13:56 < jsaw> re 13:57 < rxr> moin jsaw 13:58 < jsaw> hi rxr 13:58 < jsaw> gone again...bias 14:01 < rxr> cu 14:27 < jsaw> re :) 14:32 < jsaw> slackware skips gnome... 15:33 < rxr> yep 15:33 < mnemoc> moin 15:53 < rxr> moinmn 15:53 < rxr> moin mnemoc ,-( 15:53 < rxr> ) even ... 15:53 < rxr> hm - osx is confusing me ... 15:53 < rxr> sorry 15:55 < mnemoc> :) 17:24 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["leaving"] 17:37 < valentin> where is CIA ? 17:37 < mnemoc> CIA-9: here 17:38 < mnemoc> pff 30 minutes of delay is a bit to much 17:39 < rxr> hm 17:42 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.200.24.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:52 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFB08B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:52 < jeru> hi 17:57 < rxr> hi jeru 17:58 < rxr> btw. I just update the 17 packages from stone-age to -2005-03-29 17:58 < rxr> just a notice so noone duplicates work ... 17:59 < jeru> hi rxr, how was your "easter coding session" ? 17:59 < rxr> well - osx annoyed me ... 17:59 < rxr> and it is till not over - I just want to have s.th. else to type for some minutes ... 18:00 < mnemoc> rxr: there was 'someone' doing it 18:00 < rxr> who ? 18:00 < mnemoc> rxr: there was a change con their autogen.sh so our e17-conf.in does worked 18:00 < mnemoc> let me grep 18:01 < mnemoc> found 18:01 < mnemoc> Minto 18:05 < rxr> can't hurt when two people play with it ,-) 18:06 < mnemoc> :) 18:35 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 18:35 < Minto> Hi * 18:36 < jeru> Hi Minto 18:44 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.12.123] has joined #t2 18:44 < keinek> hi 18:45 < jeru> hi keinek 18:45 -!- mtr [~michael@H8b47.h.pppool.de] has joined #t2 18:47 < rxr> mnemoc: an update e17 starts to build very fine ... 18:47 < rxr> hi mtr 18:48 < Minto> rxr: What kind of e17 updates? 18:48 < mnemoc> nice :) 18:48 < rxr> to the today CVS 18:48 < rxr> mnemoc wrote you are updating it, too ? 18:48 < Minto> of all e17 packages? 18:48 < Minto> Yes I tried 18:48 < rxr> yes 18:48 < mnemoc> can't hurt when two people play with it ,-) 18:49 < Minto> I tried to build without x11 18:49 < Minto> But it is not going to well 18:49 < mtr> moin moin 18:49 < Minto> moin mtr 18:50 < mnemoc> e17 without X? 18:50 < Minto> A lot of the package support without x11. 18:50 < Minto> Remember the usermode splash? There will be no x11 then. 18:50 < mnemoc> :) 18:51 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - e17 does not need X - however I guess they do not test that often 18:51 < Minto> I was thinking about a skinnable usermode splash. Using evas, ecore, eet and edje. 18:53 < rxr> yeah - that would be indeed an interesting project ,-) 18:53 < rxr> hm - has our mail server a problem or is CIA defect ? 19:02 < mnemoc> i guess CIA 19:05 < Minto> mnemoc: rxr: Just managed to get imlib2 building without x11 support. 19:05 < mnemoc> oh 19:15 < Minto> edb and eet where a succes too. Unfortunately imlib2_loaders failed. 19:16 < Minto> I noticed some files with double copyright headers (imlib2_loaders.conf is one of them) 19:18 < rxr> Minto: did you do much ? 19:18 < rxr> I could my update ... 19:18 < rxr> so you can merge your X less build tweaks ... 19:18 < Minto> Not really 19:18 < Minto> Yepp 19:18 < rxr> or just paste notes what files are messed up .. I remove the duplcation then ... 19:19 < Minto> I also got imlib2 stuff from cvs instead of 1.2.0 19:19 < mnemoc> CIA is moving again 19:20 < mnemoc> #commits got content :) 19:22 < Minto> A quick grep reveals 356 desc and conf files have double headers. 19:23 < Minto> I just grepped on: This copyright note is auto-generated by 19:24 < mnemoc> uhm? 19:24 < mnemoc> how could that happen? 19:24 < mnemoc> svn blame -> amery 19:24 < Minto> You naughty boy :-) 19:25 < mnemoc> :) 19:25 < mnemoc> 7543 rene # This copyright note is auto-generated by ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch. 19:25 < mnemoc> 7557 rene # This copyright note is auto-generated by ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch. 19:25 < mnemoc> svn blame package/*/imlib2_loaders/imlib2_loaders.conf 19:25 < mnemoc> who's the naughty? ;) 19:26 < rxr> I guess the big copyright injection from me ... 19:26 < rxr> I did not read about any line of the MB patch ... 19:26 < Minto> Am I glad I have no write access yet 19:26 < rxr> and even if I would have that might have slipped thru .. 19:27 < rxr> that is why we should keep that auto noise to a bare minimum so it is diff able - and so the .cache file layout change was so important ... 19:27 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:27:14 =[9]=> Finished building package edje. 19:27 < Minto> Hmm, I am still stuck with imlib2_loaders. 19:28 < mnemoc> http://www.alancoxonachip.com/ 19:28 < mnemoc> 8-bit model is amazing 19:29 < rxr> mnemoc: when do we want to tag 2.1.0-rc1 "I just want to be free" ? 19:29 < Minto> I want the scoobi doo multimedia processor too 19:30 < mnemoc> rxr: and sbin/init.d ? 19:32 < rxr> I seem to need some Rene Rbe on a chip, too ... 19:32 < rxr> well - sbin/init.d should be a tiny change ... 19:33 < mnemoc> but if it goes on 2.1, it shall be part of rc1 19:33 < rxr> yeah - yeah ... 19:34 < rxr> my question was exactly to get this kind of todo out of you ,-) 19:34 < mnemoc> everything on my todo can go after rc1 :) 19:35 < mnemoc> on my 2.1 todo 19:35 < rxr> well - I think I should go thru submsater and pull the interesting stuff out, no ? 19:36 < rxr> it is interesting to see that do not copy all out of T2 19:36 < mnemoc> :) 19:36 < rxr> e.g. the ppc defconfig move is implemented differently (and ugly) 19:37 < rxr> in recent linux26 kernels that is ... 19:37 < jeru> rxr: I guess your "rock wounds" are deep ones ? ,) 19:38 < mnemoc> hehe 19:38 < rxr> jeru: their linux26 fix even breaks linux24 *lol* 19:38 -!- Sparc-kly|G4 [~sparc@66.50.157.247] has joined #t2 19:39 < rxr> but it is voted + by clifford ... 19:39 < rxr> *g* 19:39 < rxr> they even have bash3 patches from january in their /queue/ ... 19:39 < rxr> submaster is amusing ... - maybe I should consume it as daily comic stripe ,-) 19:40 < rxr> Minto: do you try to write some sed or awk or so script to strip possible copyright duplicates ? 19:40 < Minto> No I have not tried that 19:41 < jeru> rxr: as you know, I can't say much about rock but your spitefulness is amusing :) 19:41 < mnemoc> dupe copynote is not delimined by tags 19:42 < rxr> mnemoc: yep 19:43 < rxr> jeru: just satire ... 19:43 < rxr> so - most of e17 built ... 19:43 < jeru> I know ... :) 19:43 < mnemoc> i guess to was added after NOTE-BEGIN and NOTE-END on one moment 19:43 < mnemoc> s/to/that/ 19:44 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:43:58 =[9]=> Finished building package engage. 19:46 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:45:54 =[9]=> Finished building package examine. 19:47 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:46:43 =[9]=> Finished building package iconbar. 19:48 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:47:51 =[9]=> Finished building package emotion. 19:48 < rxr> ok - commit soon ,-) 19:51 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:51:47 =[9]=> Finished building package e. 19:52 < rxr> AFAICS only entrance failed - and that should be fixed in trunk due to my binutils ld patching .. 19:52 < rxr> I Emerge binutils and try again ... 19:52 < Minto> rxr: have you also removed estyle? 19:52 < rxr> yes 19:52 < rxr> I think I already commited that part, right =? 19:54 < mnemoc> 7858 19:55 < rxr> ok - there goes e17 ... 19:56 < Minto> I must have svn up-ed right before your commit. New svn up show only deleted estyle and elicit.conf 19:56 < CIA-9> rene * r7859 /trunk/package/e17/ (51 files in 23 dirs): (log message trimmed) 19:56 < CIA-9> * updated etox (2004-06-23 -> 2005-03-29) 19:56 < CIA-9> * updated epeg (2004-06-20 -> 2005-03-29) 19:56 < CIA-9> * updated efsd (2005-02-28 -> 2005-03-29) 19:56 < CIA-9> * updated evidence (2004-06-20 -> 2005-03-29) 19:56 < CIA-9> * added e (2005-03-29) 19:56 < CIA-9> * updated engage (2004-06-20 -> 2005-03-29) 20:00 < rxr> wow entice is nice ! 20:02 < mnemoc> for x in package/e17/*; do ./misc/archive/Commit $x; done would be nicer 20:02 < rxr> well - it would raise our graph - but as the e17 update ... ? 20:03 < rxr> whta do you find so bad about it ? 20:03 < mnemoc> e17 update is nice :) 20:03 < rxr> I mean as atomor e17 update ... 20:03 < mnemoc> ok 20:03 < mnemoc> ack 20:03 < rxr> what is so bad about one atom - even if it is bigger ... ,-) 20:03 < mnemoc> hehe 20:03 < rxr> so - when I fixed entrance all should build ... 20:04 < mnemoc> imlib2? 20:04 < rxr> entrance failure due to imlib2 ? 20:04 < mnemoc> no no 20:04 < Minto> mnemoc: a lot of e17 packages are dependant, so one commit is even better. 20:04 < rxr> onpe due to some .so mess 20:04 < mnemoc> didn't you updated imlib2 too? 20:05 < rxr> nope 20:05 < rxr> I only updated the CVS ones ... 20:05 < rxr> you could take a look if there is a imlib2 source tarball update if you like too 20:05 * mnemoc too busy :\ 20:05 < rxr> mnemoc: no problem ,-) 20:06 < Minto> according to http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org/ there are three different 1.2.0 imlib versions. 20:06 < Minto> I guess it would not hurt to have imlib2 and imlib2_loaders be cvs extracts as well 20:06 -!- Sparc-kly|G4 [~sparc@66.50.157.247] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:07 < Minto> imlib2_loaders used edb and eet. So should it be from the same date? 20:07 < rxr> Minto: we had in the past - and switched to the tarballs since imlib2 is considered stable otr so 20:07 < rxr> 6936 amery [V] 1.2.0 20:07 < rxr> 870 kb Jan 08, 2005 00:35 20:07 < rxr> that is already recent ,-) 20:08 < Minto> Hmm, but still you have entrance problems. 20:09 < mnemoc> you can grab specific patches for it from cvs 20:09 < rxr> yes - but that is one of the well known one .so not found by linker 20:09 < mnemoc> :) 20:09 < rxr> trivial thin - needs just a bit rethinking - my brain is so xcode osx filled ... 20:09 < rxr> I think the stable imlib2 releases should be quite fine 20:10 < rxr> and e17 will some day be tarball release based - as soon as they "finish" it ... ,-) 20:10 < Minto> How about the imlib2 1.2.0.003 on the site I mentioned before? 20:11 < rxr> hm - have not seen that one on the official sourceforce mirror 20:11 < rxr> Minto: no idea what that side is - I rather use what the e17 people have on their side ... 20:13 < Minto> It's offical regular snapshot of e17 see http://enlightenment.org/index.php?session=72d091a10f&id=36&select=ePortal 20:13 < Minto> They also mention that it is newer than sf.net stuff 20:14 < rxr> Minto: I do not see much use in using 2nd source snapshot from somewhere - as long as there is s.th. broken in the release version (that seems to be new enough) or security issue I think we should try to use tarballs 20:14 < rxr> afaik imlib2 has not changed that munch in the last years 20:14 < rxr> neither did evas - so the chaning parts are the upper layers of e17 - the stuff above evas 20:15 < Minto> Are you sure it is second source? 20:16 < Minto> It is download on the official enlightenment site 20:16 < rxr> well - it seems to be some snapshot mechanism - if we would have a need for s.th. newer than this januars imlib2 release we could use our normal cvs:// snapshot mechanism ourself ... 20:16 < Minto> Well, when the need arises then 20:19 < rxr> yep 20:20 < rxr> I think entrance should build on HEAD 20:20 < rxr> this is a local problem of my very old T2 ... 20:20 < rxr> the /etc/ld.so.conf is not globbed by ld ... problem I fixed a long time ago ... 20:21 < rxr> I just debugged thru it ... 20:22 < Minto> Hmm, rxr you still have the NOCONFIGURE=1 in e17-conf.in. Is this flag used by autogen.sh or by the configure script itself. Most autogen.sh I have look at don't use it. 20:23 < rxr> I could try removing it and checkinf if s.th. fails thereafter 20:23 < rxr> my e17 build is ccached ... 20:23 < Minto> Locally I modified autogen.sh to skip calling configure. 20:24 < rxr> which autogen.sh ? 20:25 < rxr> yep - I had to hack on my ancent ld - and now entrance configures ... 20:25 < rxr> built 20:25 < mnemoc> ancent ld? are you emerging? 20:25 < Minto> All of the e17 related ones. I used the e17-conf.in strip it. 20:25 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - I emerged ... 20:26 < Minto> Like this: 20:26 < Minto> e17_hacked_autogen() { 20:26 < Minto> sed -i "s,$USER,stupid," autogen.sh 20:26 < Minto> sed -i "s,\./configure "$@",#./configure," autogen.sh 20:26 < Minto> sh autogen.sh 20:26 < Minto> true 20:26 < Minto> } 20:26 < Minto> hook_add preconf 5 "[ -e autogen.sh ] && e17_hacked_autogen" 20:27 < mnemoc> Minto: you have quotes inside quotes 20:27 < rxr> Minto: the time I wrote it - the NOCONFIGURE was there .. 20:28 < Minto> I noticed, that's because of diff. 20:28 < rxr> however your solution is more direct and not reling on it ... being present ... 20:28 < Minto> I created it with mnemoc's help yesterday. 20:29 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 37.50% (21 hits, 35 misses) 20:29 < rxr> == 03/29/05 20:28:39 =[9]=> Finished building package entrance. 20:29 < Minto> Though both our minds were clouded, mine because eating to much chocolat easter eggs and mnemoc was not feeling to well. 20:30 < rxr> -hook_add preconf 5 "if [ -e autogen.sh ] ; then sed -i s/$USER/stupid/ autogen.sh ; NOCONFIGURE=1 sh autogen.sh ; fi" 20:30 < rxr> +e17_hacked_autogen() { 20:30 < rxr> + sed -i -e 's,$USER,stupid,' \ 20:30 < rxr> + -e 's,\./configure,#./configure," autogen.sh 20:30 < rxr> + sh autogen.sh 20:30 < rxr> + true 20:30 < rxr> +} 20:30 < rxr> +hook_add preconf 5 "[ -e autogen.sh ] && e17_hacked_autogen" 20:31 < rxr> hm - for some reason entrance does not cache 100% ... 20:31 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 37.50% (21 hits, 35 misses) 20:31 < rxr> that is a rebuild of the rebuild ... 20:32 < rxr> # ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -debug ccache 20:32 < rxr> checking ccache ... ccache: New source checksum (d0e58c7b06cf71b50dc2992c0bf0a4e4). Added. 20:32 < rxr> hm - also no version change ... 20:32 < rxr> however maybe one of my patches to ccache is missing ... 20:34 < rxr> yep - with the ccache rebuild the checksumming changed ... 20:34 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 2.78% (1 hits, 35 misses) 20:34 < rxr> let's see if it does cache now ,-) 20:35 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.206.151.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 20:35 < sepp> hi 20:36 < rxr> h isehi sepp 20:36 < rxr> huh - now it does cache even less ... ?!? 20:36 < sepp> t2-src is broken 20:37 < sepp> i get an 7559b gem 20:38 < sepp> ./scripts/Create-SrcTar $root/usr/src/$pkg-$rockver.tar.bz2 creates /usr/src/-.tar.bz2 20:43 < rxr> hm ... 20:43 < rxr> could someone rebuild entrance with ccache ? 20:51 < rxr> oh - I think it was due to my configuration with debug symbols ... 20:52 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (30 hits, 0 misses) 21:55 < rxr> Minto: your e17-conf.in changes do not cause regressions - I commit them ... 21:57 < rxr> Gerhard seem to be good in bug fixing ,-) 21:59 < mnemoc> yeah! 22:00 < rxr> mnemoc: I just apply the latest patches from the list ... 22:04 < CIA-9> rene * r7860 /trunk/package/e17/imlib2/e17-conf.in: 22:04 < CIA-9> Minto van der Sluis and Rene Rebe: 22:04 < CIA-9> * cleaned e17-conf.in 22:06 < CIA-9> rene * r7861 /trunk/package/gnome2/yelp/yelp.desc: 22:06 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis : 22:06 < CIA-9> * fixed yelp build by increasing the priority beyond the mozilla build 22:07 < CIA-9> rene * r7862 /trunk/package/audio/xmp/compile.patch: 22:07 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis : 22:07 < CIA-9> * fixed xmp to compile (for gcc >= 3.4?) 22:08 < CIA-9> rene * r7863 /trunk/package/kde/koffice-i18n/koffice-i18n.conf: 22:08 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis : 22:08 < CIA-9> * fixed koffice-i18n to utilize $makeopt 22:09 < Minto> rxr: are you sure about my e17-conf.in changes. When trying to build imlib2 I get errors. When changing imlib2 to come from cvs instead it works fine. 22:10 < Minto> I get: 22:10 < Minto> !> ===[hook_eval:72 (last $?=0)> '[' -e autogen.sh ']' 22:10 < Minto> !> Due to previous errors, no 5-imlib2.log file! 22:10 < rxr> Minto: yes - I fixed this in my version - thus the and Rene Rebe ;-) 22:10 < mnemoc> || true 22:10 < rxr> the errror code is set to 1 since the expression fails - this is why the buid aborts ... 22:10 < rxr> mnemoc: ack - that is what I added 22:11 < rxr> among changing to one sed call and I think one other thing ... 22:11 < mnemoc> it's a classic on bash scripting :p 22:11 < Minto> I have to remember that one. 22:11 < rxr> ah - yes - I changed the sed regex to increase the chance of matching 22:11 < rxr> I think this was not always the case - and should look into the details how to work around that nicer ... 22:12 < Minto> I done another svn up then 22:12 < rxr> maybe this only happens when such an expression is the last one in a hook or so ? 22:12 < rxr> I mean the build abort only happens in that case ... 22:12 < rxr> of course the $? is always set to 1 ... 22:13 < Minto> ack 22:16 < mnemoc> rxr: Re: [t2] yelp reordered) <--- cuted by minimalist 22:16 < mnemoc> it was "Gecko/Mozilla-libs (Re: [t2] yelp reordered)" 22:17 < rxr> valentin: minialist expert ,-) 22:17 < mnemoc> valentin: your thing cut mine 22:17 < rxr> valentin: I guess you get a beer from mnemoc if you tweak the list to not do that ,-) 22:18 < mnemoc> :) 22:18 < mnemoc> when i go to berlin you will get beers from me for sure :) 22:18 < mnemoc> but i guess your may prefer wine :p 22:19 < jeru> re and away again ... have to sleep now. good night 22:19 < jeru> mnemoc: btw beer is ok ,) 22:19 < mnemoc> gn8 jeru 22:19 < mnemoc> :) 22:19 < jeru> but a good wine .... 22:19 < jeru> mnemoc: good recovery! 22:20 < rxr> cu jeru 22:20 < jeru> cu you all, have to get up early :| 22:20 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFB08B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 22:24 < valentin> mnemoc: that was the first time something like that happened 22:24 < rxr> nope - this always happened when you change the subject while keeping the message id due to reply or so ... 22:24 < valentin> mnemoc: in summertime, i like cool beer too 22:30 < CIA-9> rene * r7864 /trunk/package/emulators/simh/simh.conf: 22:30 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis : 22:30 < CIA-9> * decustmained simh 22:30 < rxr> wow 64 revisions in - 2 or 3 days ... ? 22:31 < valentin> when mnemoc does his update floods, its much more 22:32 < rxr> sure .. 22:32 < rxr> but cool enough ,-) 22:34 < valentin> thanks to Gerhard we get rid of custmain :) 22:34 < mnemoc> :) 22:36 < Minto> What should be used instead of custmain. I used custmain in the java packages. 22:36 < rxr> I think in 2.2 or so we remove custmain .. 22:36 < rxr> instead: 22:36 < rxr> makeopt="" 22:36 < rxr> makeinstopt="" 22:36 < rxr> use hooks ... 22:37 < rxr> valentin: the difficults have already be done by me ... binutils, gcc, glibc, xorg, ... 22:37 < Minto> Okay, I look into that some other time. 22:38 < mnemoc> rxr: there are packages which just copy what they extract, how would you hook-ify that? 22:38 < valentin> Minto: custmain is quite uncomfortable when you want to develop target or architecture dependend mods 22:39 < Minto> Ahhh 22:40 < mnemoc> packages need to be 'hackables' by extensions and/or targets 22:40 < mnemoc> custmain make that hard 22:41 < rxr> mnemoc: as above and hook_add postmake 5 "cp ..." 22:41 < mnemoc> we always call MAKE 22:42 < mnemoc> $MAKE 22:42 < rxr> not if makeopt and makeinstopt = "" ... ,-) 22:42 < Minto> rxr: imlib2_loader refuses to build without x11 due to xcf (?) loader. Can I use --disable-xcf when no xorg available? 22:42 < mnemoc> .oO 22:43 < mnemoc> rxr: oh, that is new :) 22:43 < rxr> mnemoc: nope 22:43 < rxr> pkginstalled xorg || var_append confopt " " "...." 22:43 < mnemoc> last time i see there only makeinstopt was optional 22:43 < rxr> nope ... 22:43 < rxr> that is long long time this way ... 22:44 < mnemoc> 6052 rene if [ "$makeopt" ]; then 22:44 < mnemoc> 1332 rene hook_eval inmake 22:44 < rxr> but that was a massive change commit - I think it really is there for a long time ... 22:44 < Minto> Actually the question is if xorg is the right package to check for? 22:45 < mnemoc> it is now, that that's what matters 22:45 < mnemoc> s/that /and / 22:47 < mnemoc> Minto: can you share your tarballs of s*n-{jdk,jre}? i don't want to be in S*N's database 22:48 < Minto> Yes, but I don't have anything open for read, can write them somewhere? 22:48 < rxr> it even is in ROCK last change 1332 rene ... 22:50 < mnemoc> if [ "$makeopt" ] ; then eval "$MAKE $makeopt" ; fi <--- revision 1 22:50 < mnemoc> you win 22:50 < mnemoc> it has at least the age of our svn 22:53 < Minto> Yuck, imlib2_loaders still needs x11 22:53 < Minto> loader_db.c:7:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory 22:55 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you think recreating our svn database? 22:55 < rxr> injecting all known rock tarballs we find and the current history on top ? 22:56 < rxr> that way we would get more history and could also have another UUID than rock *g* 22:56 < rxr> however that would be a project for someone with too much tim ... 22:57 < mnemoc> after 2.1? 22:57 < mnemoc> do you have a copy of cvs? 22:58 < Minto> I gotto go to bed now, hope I don't have imlib2_loader nightmare. 22:58 < Minto> Sleep well all 22:58 < Minto> mnemoc: we discuss gettin you the tarballs later. 22:58 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041110]"] 22:59 < mnemoc> cu Minto 23:02 < rxr> mnemoc: nope 23:02 < rxr> ah - yes there was this short CVS period ... 23:02 < rxr> but that was short .. 23:02 < rxr> I meant 1.2 and 1.6 sources ... 23:02 < rxr> err and 1.4 ... 23:06 < rxr> so - what do we want to inject until 0.4.0 ... 23:06 < rxr> only the icons ... 23:06 < rxr> and I have to continue with this quicktime stuff tomorrow ... 23:06 < rxr> or - what do you think ? 23:06 < mnemoc> how can you inject history from a Changelog file? 23:08 < mnemoc> or jsut a big bunch of changes and a Changelog? 23:09 < rxr> ? 23:09 < rxr> no I mean untaring the historic releases and injecting that points into a SVN ... 23:10 < rxr> so at least some more history ... 23:10 < rxr> but well - T2 will become that different - it does not really matter ... 23:10 < mnemoc> :) 23:12 < mnemoc> having an own UUID is a must, but i think we should preserver the ROCK part of our history unchanged. r1000@rock == r1000@t2 23:15 < CIA-9> rene * r7865 /trunk/package/network/ (socat/ socat/socat.desc tsocks/ tsocks/tsocks.desc): 23:15 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech: 23:15 < CIA-9> * added socar and tsocks 23:20 < CIA-9> rene * r7866 /trunk/package/network/wvdial/wvdial.conf: 23:20 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis : 23:20 < CIA-9> * cleaned wvdial to not overwrite the $make* options 23:22 < rxr> wow - folks - e17 on T2 is running great out of the box! 23:24 < mnemoc> but you used a 'today' snapshot of a not yet finished day 23:24 < mnemoc> it can get broken today, and i'll get that broken snapshot 23:28 < rxr> it that hapen I clean up for you ,-) 23:29 < mnemoc> good :) 23:33 < CIA-9> rene * r7867 /trunk/package/emulators/simh/simh.conf: 23:33 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis : 23:33 < CIA-9> * cleaned simh further 23:38 * mnemoc feels happy with people liking match_source_file 23:38 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah! 23:38 * rxr feels happy with the new people joining T2 ,-) 23:38 * sepp is happy with t2 23:38 < mnemoc> me too :D 23:38 * mnemoc is happy with sepp happy :p 23:39 * valentin happy because of all those happy users here :) 23:40 < mnemoc> :D 23:40 < mnemoc> we are a happy family :p 23:45 * mnemoc has seen barney and teletoobbies more than what is recomended 23:48 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.12.123] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:48 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.40] has joined #t2 23:56 < rxr> oh - enlightenment core dumped ... 23:56 < rxr> *g* 23:57 < mnemoc> :) 23:57 < sepp> would it be an problem to build wxwidgets without unicode? 23:58 < rxr> sepp: well - in theory one would liek that ... 23:58 < rxr> do all the in tree packges build against a wxwidget with utf8 disabled ? 23:58 < mnemoc> is it possible to have wx24 and wx25 living together? 23:59 < sepp> yes but i tested 3 wx apps and only 3 broke because of the unicode thing 23:59 < valentin> rxr: what videos ? 23:59 < rxr> e17 videos? 23:59 < mnemoc> videos? 23:59 < rxr> on slashdot and osnews.com linked ... 23:59 < valentin> ok 23:59 < rxr> some weeks ago ... --- Log closed Wed Mar 30 00:00:17 2005