--- Log opened Tue Mar 29 00:00:27 2005
00:00 < rxr> hi mnemoc
00:01 < mnemoc> hi rxr
00:03 < keinek> hi mnemoc
00:04 < mnemoc> hi keinek
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00:08 < rxr> finally ...
00:08 < rxr> ok - all the quirks work arounded ...
00:08 < rxr> took me only - what - 6 hours or so ...
00:09 < rxr> and about 6 reboots or so ...
00:09 < mnemoc> OSX?
00:09 < rxr> and I have to reboot again - since right now one USB port is already power less == dead again ...
00:09 < rxr> but at least the i/o code works for all device types again ...
00:09 < rxr> mnemoc: what else ..
00:09 < mnemoc> :)
00:10 < rxr> mnemoc: have I everer moroned about the linux usb stack - nope - that one is more well coded ...
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00:16 < mnemoc> sepp: i had to commit as 'sepp' as your mail didn't showed your name :(
00:16 * mnemoc jerk
00:16 < mnemoc> i should have read [M]s
00:16 * mnemoc too sick to think, sorry
00:17 < sepp> mnemoc: np
00:17 < rxr> mnemoc: are you really sick now?
00:17 < mnemoc> yep
00:17 < rxr> oh - poor mnemoc /me handing a hot tea w/ lemmon
00:17 < mnemoc> but i have to finish my ldap thing before 20:00, 1:40+
00:17 < mnemoc> rxr: thank you!
00:17 < sepp> i changed sepp to my name in the last mail
00:17 < mnemoc> i needed it
00:18 < mnemoc> == 18:14:21 =[5]=> Building audio/rezound [0.11.1 2.1.0-rc1].
00:18 < mnemoc> four minutes ago
00:18 < rxr> mnemoc: what did you change ?
00:19 < mnemoc> sepp did
00:19 < rxr> oh - cool - thanks sepp
00:19 < sepp> worked for me i tested many things
00:19 < rxr> cool - rezound is quite nice ...
00:19 < sepp> i think the patch works well
00:19 < rxr> nice
00:19 < rxr> audacity is also not that bad
00:20 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/T2/regressions.html <-- sepp, if you want to keep fixing :)
00:20 < rxr> so - 0.3 version of our driver declared frozen now ...
00:20 < rxr> looking towards 0.4 with i18n support - and the ExactScan Application ...
00:20 < sepp> the cvs audacity works?
00:20 < mnemoc> not 2005-02-28
00:20 * rxr has no idea - did not try ...
00:20 < mnemoc> that's what i have on my test field
00:20 < rxr> patching audacity to the wxwidget utf8 stuff is much work ...
00:20 < sepp> i spent an half h with the old audacity code
00:20 < sepp> damn
00:21 < rxr> maybe we should go for two wxwidgets pacakges for the next months until that settles down ...
00:21 < sepp> wxwidget 2.5 is really straneg
00:21 < valentin> re
00:21 < rxr> sepp: I also spent some time hacking audacity - but gave up
00:21 < valentin> stupid bsd ssh
00:21 < rxr> hi valentin !
00:21 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if 2.4 and 2.5 can live together
00:21 < rxr> valentin: IO problems solved very elegantly ...
00:21 < rxr> valentin: 0.3 declared frozen ...
00:21 < rxr> valentin: I work in trunk now ...
00:21 < sepp> rxr: i also gave up
00:22 < rxr> valentin: next thing will be the moved scan initialization ...
00:22 < sepp> i dont understand the stange wx string code
00:22 < rxr> yes it is very fragile ..
00:22 < rxr> if you like I can tar my lingering snapshot up that mostly bulit ...
00:22 < mnemoc> sepp: xmule has only a few String failures, you can learn with it :)
00:22 < rxr> however I think this is not the way to go - the patch is huge ...
00:22 < rxr> mnemoc: IIRC I tried - but that is really quite messy ...
00:23 < rxr> sepp: do you also think adding two wxwidget packags would be the best interim solution ?
00:23 < sepp> i patched away 10 string problems but then i got something really strange
00:23 < sepp> yes
00:23 < mnemoc> rxr: you tried 1.95, not 1.10
00:23 < mnemoc> 1.9.5
00:23 < valentin> rxr: ic
00:24 < mnemoc> 1.10 claims to be wx25 aware
00:24 < mnemoc> at least it detects it con configure
00:24 < mnemoc> == 03/28/05 18:23:30 =[5]=> Finished building package rezound.
00:24 < mnemoc> sepp: doesn't autgen=1 work for rezound?
00:25 < sepp> hmm dont know
00:25 < sepp> i know my patch is big...
00:26 < mnemoc> mine was shorter and didn't worked
00:28 < CIA-9> amery * r7845 /trunk/package/audio/rezound/ (fox_1.4.patch rezound.cache rezound.conf):
00:28 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech :
00:28 < CIA-9> * fixed rezound to build with fox 1.4
00:29 < mnemoc> == 03/28/05 18:28:23 =[5]=> Finished building package mjpegtools.
00:29 < sepp> i like fox
00:29 < mnemoc> what is more important is that you understand autocrap :)
00:30 < sepp> yes
00:30 < mnemoc> we all had religious problems against lerning it :p
00:31 < mnemoc> that was an structural missing brick
00:31 < sepp> but its so ugly...
00:31 < mnemoc> *ACK*
00:33 < rxr> yes - a big one ..
00:34 < sepp> maybe someone can clean up
00:34 < mnemoc> i have even patch on premake to bypass this need
00:34 < rxr> I meant auto* is ugly - not the patch ...
00:34 < valentin> imo the biggest problem of autoconf is m4 and those huge generated scripts
00:34 < CIA-9> amery * r7846 /trunk/package/multimedia/mjpegtools/ebx_unclobber.patch:
00:34 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis :
00:34 < CIA-9> * fixed mjpegtools to compile for mmx
00:35 < valentin> why do they need to hardcopy all the lines of script for every stupid header file check ?
00:35 < valentin> instead of using shell functions ?
00:35 < valentin> those 40.000 line scripts are unreadable
00:36 < valentin> and the m4 input with all those [[ ] [ [[ ] ]] is, too
00:36 < rxr> 40.000 ? be happy if you have such a tiny one ...
00:36 < rxr> the tiny libusb already has 23444 ....
00:36 < valentin> rxr: i am talking about simple console apps
00:36 < mnemoc> because they think in 'makefile'
00:36 < rxr> mnemoc: huh?
00:36 < valentin> their automake files suck, too
00:37 < rxr> mnemoc: makefiles are also not written that way ...
00:37 < rxr> mnemoc: look into gsmp, macosd and the other stuff I've done - that is how makefiles are written ...
00:37 < rxr> rules included - and source files and deps not hardcoded - but both determined automatically ...
00:37 < valentin> make hell
00:37 < rxr> yes - ack
00:37 < mnemoc> there are clwna makefiles, and there are 'smart' makefiles which force a flow control discustingly
00:37 < mnemoc> clean*
00:38 < rxr> mine are clean _and_ smart ...
00:38 < mnemoc> nested makefiles are unreadables
00:38 < mnemoc> :)
00:38 < valentin> mnemoc: and then there is automake
00:38 < rxr> or better exactcode internal ones - that is valentin wrote those too
00:38 < valentin> the root of all evil
00:38 < rxr> valentin: ok - let's continue coding
00:38 < rxr> i wanna get into bed some time soon ,-)
00:40 < valentin> rxr: in the nib the umlauts work ?!
00:40 < rxr> you tested and it works ?
00:40 < valentin> in the nib
00:40 < valentin> not the string files
00:41 < rxr> so I gues sthe string files just have the wrong encoding ...
00:41 < rxr> valentin: what was the syntax to execute a selector manually ?
00:42 < valentin> [obj perform:Sel] or so
00:42 < valentin> rxr: scanner does not work anymore
00:42 < rxr> not at all ?
00:42 < rxr> ok - then just do not test - I do ...
00:42 < valentin> it is beeing detected but it always does error on scan
00:43 < valentin> how do i spell "schliessen" ?
00:43 < valentin> rxr: now it worked
00:44 < rxr> with sz ?
00:44 < rxr> valentin: hm- the file is not utf8 ...
00:44 < rxr> don't you think the text files should be encoded utf8 ?
00:44 < valentin> what is the encoding ? my pbuilder said utf8
00:44 < valentin> but it saved in other codings sometime
00:46 < rxr> xcode sais non explicit - I clicked it to utf8 now - and editied the files with vi
00:46 < rxr> let's see ..
00:47 < CIA-9> amery * r7847 /trunk/package/ (30 files in 25 dirs): * added some missing copyright notes
00:48 < valentin> can you check them in ?
00:48 < rxr> utf8 encoded they show up correctly ...
00:49 < valentin> that is good
00:49 < rxr> second
00:51 < CIA-9> amery * r7848 /trunk/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * added last bunch of missing copyright notes
00:51 < CIA-9> amery * r7849 /trunk/package/multimedia/vls/ (vls.cache vls.desc): * added right [CV-URL] for vls, and update cache file
00:52 < valentin> btw: windows is more secure than linux
00:52 < valentin> another independend research (paid by M$)
00:53 < valentin> microsoft is faster with patching than redhat
00:53 < rxr> valentin: please do not inject those supiid "Fehler code crap"
00:53 < valentin> Fehler code ?
00:53 < rxr> in the english version was just error - not error code ...
00:53 < rxr> you wrote that ...
00:53 < rxr> in the german file ...
00:53 < valentin> yep
00:53 < valentin> rxr: those messages do not appear anyway
00:53 < valentin> and it is a return code from sane that is unknown
00:54 < valentin> should not happen in our code tree
00:55 < mnemoc> Total : 1551
00:55 < mnemoc> Built Fine : 1485
00:55 < mnemoc> Broken Builds : 66
00:55 < mnemoc> Pending Builds : 0
00:55 * mnemoc moving home now
00:55 < mnemoc> cu *
00:56 < rxr> cu mnemoc
00:56 < rxr> valentin: xcode sucks on that files
00:56 < valentin> rxr: can you check them in anyway - we can edit them in vi or so
00:56 * valentin back in 10 minutes
00:56 < rxr> cu valentin
00:57 < rxr> checked in
00:57 < valentin> ok i test it first
00:57 < rxr> I have no idea if xcode left them intact
00:57 < rxr> and I messed up one line ...
00:57 < rxr> with vi ...
00:57 < rxr> however you foced me to commit ...
00:59 < valentin> huh - it does not work anymore
00:59 < valentin> i have english strings now
00:59 * valentin back in 10 minutes
01:00 < rxr> hm
01:00 < rxr> just revert it ...
01:05 < sepp> is there any good book/howto about auto* ?
01:14 < rxr> there should be ,-)
01:16 < sepp> autocrap for morons in 23 days?
01:17 < rxr> yep ,-) *lol*
01:17 < rxr> valentin: ok - I moved aroudn the scan start stuff
01:18 < rxr> very ugly - and we open windows where i/o errors will not be covered very well - but it works (as long as there is no error)
01:18 < rxr> I think I'll reshufle the whole scan start stuff tomorrow or so ...
01:19 < rxr> hm - but that conflicts with the idea of delaying the TWAIN notification further
01:19 < rxr> remeber we wanted to delay it and scan the whole page before notifing TWAIN - so that we could hand truncated to real paper lenght images to the application ...
01:20 < rxr> when we delay the real scan even more that is not possible any more ...
01:20 < rxr> hm
01:22 < valentin> rxr: i think you deleted a semicolon or so
01:24 < rxr> ok - duplex scanning into pdf works ...
01:24 < rxr> valentin: what do you wanna do now?
01:24 < rxr> I would like to be in bed as soon as possible ...
01:24 < valentin> find that semicolon
01:25 < valentin> what would you like me to do ?
01:25 < rxr> well - don't know ...
01:25 < rxr> if your work takes long to get i18n 0.4 out in some minutes I would rather delay it until tomorrow ...
01:25 < rxr> and just notify them about 0.3.10 and 0.3.11 and exactscan ...
01:25 < rxr> what do you think about the scan start issue ?
01:26 < valentin> i think i am to tired to do it now without breaking sth
01:27 < rxr> yeah - the the start point move is also higly experimental ...
01:27 < rxr> and I'm not sure if we want to do that ...
01:27 < valentin> rxr: see query
01:27 < rxr> yep - and ?
01:28 < valentin> it tells me the file is no utf8
01:28 < rxr> well I was not finished with it
01:28 < rxr> there is still yunk in it ...
01:28 < valentin> this is the only thing missing for an i18n version :(
01:28 < rxr> well - let's go into bed - and get up early
01:28 < rxr> I think that would help us more
01:28 < valentin> i could create new file and copy/paste the content
01:28 < valentin> ok
01:29 < valentin> :)
01:29 < valentin> i will try to stand up early
01:29 < valentin> but if i fail, you can call me as early as you need me
01:33 < rxr> $ du -csh ExactScan.app/ 40K ExactScan.app/
01:33 < rxr> hm
01:33 < rxr> damn scmall
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01:42 < jsaw> 3 days, 57 emails on t2... damn
01:42 < jsaw> hi all
01:44 < valentin> hi jsaw
01:44 < jsaw> hi valentin
01:45 < rxr> hi jsaw
01:45 < jsaw> hi rxr
01:46 < valentin> i am eating yogurt that expired 3 weeks ago
01:46 < valentin> but it still tastes
01:46 < jsaw> rev57 on my thesis
01:48 < valentin> is that much ? i mean: how many revs do you ci per day
01:49 < jsaw> actually I just wanted to state that I use svn for it...
01:49 < jsaw> I think I do one to three commits per week
01:49 < jsaw> but I also commit code that I use to analyze data or simulate something
01:49 < valentin> i started using svn for my studies some time ago - after to much losses when LaTeXing stuff late night
01:50 < jsaw> hehe
01:50 < valentin> and working on different machines
01:50 < jsaw> .oO(exactly)
01:51 < valentin> diff is sufficient to sync changes in theory - but svn is much more confortable and error tolerant :)
01:52 < jsaw> yep
01:52 < jsaw> same arguments here
01:52 < valentin> and you do not need to backuck every chunk of text you delete
01:53 < valentin> ok, the repro may be lost on the server, but then i can blame rxr :P
01:53 < jsaw> :]
01:53 < valentin> or ibm for creating lousy hard drives .oO
01:54 < valentin> can one get sick of old yogurt ?
01:54 < rxr> yes
01:55 < valentin> hm - it still tasted good so no mold. but maybe bacteria ....
01:55 < valentin> i will see if i get sick tomorow
01:55 < valentin> could be OSX, too
01:56 < rxr> valentin: should I commit that experimental delayed start code?
01:56 < rxr> maybe we should not keep that anyway ...
01:57 < rxr> r17 of our exact-scan ...
01:57 < valentin> rxr: i have no idea what you did exactly, so i cannot decide whether it is usable or not
01:57 < rxr> I think this will never work reliable in i/o cases ...
01:57 < rxr> and we wanted to scan the whole page before telling the app to be able to stop after paper end ...
01:57 < rxr> I commit it not yet. ...
01:58 < rxr> I don't commit it yet ...
01:58 < rxr> even
01:58 < rxr> time for bed ...
01:58 < valentin> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/03/28/2237230.shtml?tid=137&tid=106
01:58 < rxr> valentin: btw. I need to hury writing the gcc article for the linux mag in the next 2 days or so ..
01:58 < valentin> rxr: i found the missing colon
01:59 < valentin> next two days ?
01:59 < valentin> .oO
01:59 < valentin> we need to clone rxr
01:59 < valentin> jsaw: you have good connections to biologists ?
01:59 < rxr> valentin: I crawl into bed now ..
02:00 < valentin> cu gn8
02:00 < rxr> do you think I missed s.th. with our commercial relations ??
02:00 < valentin> why ?
02:00 < rxr> btw. you promissed someone to send source cd on the cebit ...
02:00 < rxr> don't forget that if you really wanna do ...
02:00 < rxr> because you got cc'ed ...
02:01 < valentin> cc'ed ?
02:01 < rxr> the mails ?
02:02 < valentin> topic ? maybe i overlooked it
02:02 < valentin> fixed the colon but still does not work
02:02 < rxr> ehrm - announce as usual
02:02 < valentin> maybe tomorow
02:02 < rxr> your usual @exactcode.de account ...
02:02 < sepp> damn i really do not understand wx stings
02:03 < valentin> rxr: i missunderstood you
02:03 < sepp> strings*
02:04 < valentin> rxr: works again
02:04 < valentin> but there are some chars wrong
02:04 < valentin> the ü works
02:05 < rxr> I tried some with xcode - but i's editor f*cks up ...
02:05 < valentin> rxr: most umlauts work
02:05 < valentin> some are still wrong, but that should be fixable
02:06 < valentin> lets do tomorow
02:06 < rxr> I might not have catched all - since you forced me to commit
02:06 * rxr bed ... - n8 all
02:08 < valentin> me too
02:08 < valentin> cu in some hours
02:08 < valentin> happy hacking
02:08 < rxr> haha
02:08 < valentin> haha ?
02:08 < rxr> yeah - cu all
02:08 < rxr> the in some hours - due few sleep
02:08 < rxr> n8
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02:27 < jsaw> valentin: biologists, yes I do
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02:29 < keinek> hi
02:37 < jsaw> leaving, cu later
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03:10 < ideal> morning
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03:47 < mnemoc> rehi
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05:15 < mnemoc> *yawn*
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07:35 [ _Ragnar_] [ ideal] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sepp ] [ valentin]
07:35 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ rxr_] [ sparc-kly]
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10:17 < rxr_> moin
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10:23 < rxr> mnemoc: blackbox 0.70
10:24 < rxr> mnemoc: ? MySQL 5.0.3
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11:36 < valentin> moin
11:36 < rxr> moin
11:38 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2005032820362927349
11:38 < rxr> *lol*
11:39 < valentin> too good they have not to many responsible users - imagine 20 people needed to vote for that patch ...
11:59 < rxr> new nvidia driver is out
11:59 < rxr> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-7167-pkg1.run
12:00 < rxr> I find it discusting as it that they now throw their .cache files into the submaster ...
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13:56 < jsaw> re
13:57 < rxr> moin jsaw
13:58 < jsaw> hi rxr
13:58 < jsaw> gone again...bias
14:01 < rxr> cu
14:27 < jsaw> re :)
14:32 < jsaw> slackware skips gnome...
15:33 < rxr> yep
15:33 < mnemoc> moin
15:53 < rxr> moinmn
15:53 < rxr> moin mnemoc ,-(
15:53 < rxr> ) even ...
15:53 < rxr> hm - osx is confusing me ...
15:53 < rxr> sorry
15:55 < mnemoc> :)
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17:37 < valentin> where is CIA ?
17:37 < mnemoc> CIA-9: here
17:38 < mnemoc> pff 30 minutes of delay is a bit to much
17:39 < rxr> hm
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17:52 < jeru> hi
17:57 < rxr> hi jeru
17:58 < rxr> btw. I just update the 17 packages from stone-age to -2005-03-29
17:58 < rxr> just a notice so noone duplicates work ...
17:59 < jeru> hi rxr, how was your "easter coding session" ?
17:59 < rxr> well - osx annoyed me ...
17:59 < rxr> and it is till not over - I just want to have s.th. else to type for some minutes ...
18:00 < mnemoc> rxr: there was 'someone' doing it
18:00 < rxr> who ?
18:00 < mnemoc> rxr: there was a change con their autogen.sh so our e17-conf.in does worked
18:00 < mnemoc> let me grep
18:01 < mnemoc> found
18:01 < mnemoc> Minto
18:05 < rxr> can't hurt when two people play with it ,-)
18:06 < mnemoc> :)
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18:35 < Minto> Hi *
18:36 < jeru> Hi Minto
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18:44 < keinek> hi
18:45 < jeru> hi keinek
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18:47 < rxr> mnemoc: an update e17 starts to build very fine ...
18:47 < rxr> hi mtr
18:48 < Minto> rxr: What kind of e17 updates?
18:48 < mnemoc> nice :)
18:48 < rxr> to the today CVS
18:48 < rxr> mnemoc wrote you are updating it, too ?
18:48 < Minto> of all e17 packages?
18:48 < Minto> Yes I tried
18:48 < rxr> yes
18:48 < mnemoc> can't hurt when two people play with it ,-)
18:49 < Minto> I tried to build without x11
18:49 < Minto> But it is not going to well
18:49 < mtr> moin moin
18:49 < Minto> moin mtr
18:50 < mnemoc> e17 without X?
18:50 < Minto> A lot of the package support without x11.
18:50 < Minto> Remember the usermode splash? There will be no x11 then.
18:50 < mnemoc> :)
18:51 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - e17 does not need X - however I guess they do not test that often
18:51 < Minto> I was thinking about a skinnable usermode splash. Using evas, ecore, eet and edje.
18:53 < rxr> yeah - that would be indeed an interesting project ,-)
18:53 < rxr> hm - has our mail server a problem or is CIA defect ?
19:02 < mnemoc> i guess CIA
19:05 < Minto> mnemoc: rxr: Just managed to get imlib2 building without x11 support.
19:05 < mnemoc> oh
19:15 < Minto> edb and eet where a succes too. Unfortunately imlib2_loaders failed.
19:16 < Minto> I noticed some files with double copyright headers (imlib2_loaders.conf is one of them)
19:18 < rxr> Minto: did you do much ?
19:18 < rxr> I could my update ...
19:18 < rxr> so you can merge your X less build tweaks ...
19:18 < Minto> Not really
19:18 < Minto> Yepp
19:18 < rxr> or just paste notes what files are messed up .. I remove the duplcation then ...
19:19 < Minto> I also got imlib2 stuff from cvs instead of 1.2.0
19:19 < mnemoc> CIA is moving again
19:20 < mnemoc> #commits got content :)
19:22 < Minto> A quick grep reveals 356 desc and conf files have double headers.
19:23 < Minto> I just grepped on: This copyright note is auto-generated by
19:24 < mnemoc> uhm?
19:24 < mnemoc> how could that happen?
19:24 < mnemoc> svn blame -> amery
19:24 < Minto> You naughty boy :-)
19:25 < mnemoc> :)
19:25 < mnemoc> 7543 rene # This copyright note is auto-generated by ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch.
19:25 < mnemoc> 7557 rene # This copyright note is auto-generated by ./scripts/Create-CopyPatch.
19:25 < mnemoc> svn blame package/*/imlib2_loaders/imlib2_loaders.conf
19:25 < mnemoc> who's the naughty? ;)
19:26 < rxr> I guess the big copyright injection from me ...
19:26 < rxr> I did not read about any line of the MB patch ...
19:26 < Minto> Am I glad I have no write access yet
19:26 < rxr> and even if I would have that might have slipped thru ..
19:27 < rxr> that is why we should keep that auto noise to a bare minimum so it is diff able - and so the .cache file layout change was so important ...
19:27 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:27:14 =[9]=> Finished building package edje.
19:27 < Minto> Hmm, I am still stuck with imlib2_loaders.
19:28 < mnemoc> http://www.alancoxonachip.com/
19:28 < mnemoc> 8-bit model is amazing
19:29 < rxr> mnemoc: when do we want to tag 2.1.0-rc1 "I just want to be free" ?
19:29 < Minto> I want the scoobi doo multimedia processor too
19:30 < mnemoc> rxr: and sbin/init.d ?
19:32 < rxr> I seem to need some Rene Rbe on a chip, too ...
19:32 < rxr> well - sbin/init.d should be a tiny change ...
19:33 < mnemoc> but if it goes on 2.1, it shall be part of rc1
19:33 < rxr> yeah - yeah ...
19:34 < rxr> my question was exactly to get this kind of todo out of you ,-)
19:34 < mnemoc> everything on my todo can go after rc1 :)
19:35 < mnemoc> on my 2.1 todo
19:35 < rxr> well - I think I should go thru submsater and pull the interesting stuff out, no ?
19:36 < rxr> it is interesting to see that do not copy all out of T2
19:36 < mnemoc> :)
19:36 < rxr> e.g. the ppc defconfig move is implemented differently (and ugly)
19:37 < rxr> in recent linux26 kernels that is ...
19:37 < jeru> rxr: I guess your "rock wounds" are deep ones ? ,)
19:38 < mnemoc> hehe
19:38 < rxr> jeru: their linux26 fix even breaks linux24 *lol*
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19:39 < rxr> but it is voted + by clifford ...
19:39 < rxr> *g*
19:39 < rxr> they even have bash3 patches from january in their /queue/ ...
19:39 < rxr> submaster is amusing ... - maybe I should consume it as daily comic stripe ,-)
19:40 < rxr> Minto: do you try to write some sed or awk or so script to strip possible copyright duplicates ?
19:40 < Minto> No I have not tried that
19:41 < jeru> rxr: as you know, I can't say much about rock but your spitefulness is amusing :)
19:41 < mnemoc> dupe copynote is not delimined by tags
19:42 < rxr> mnemoc: yep
19:43 < rxr> jeru: just satire ...
19:43 < rxr> so - most of e17 built ...
19:43 < jeru> I know ... :)
19:43 < mnemoc> i guess to was added after NOTE-BEGIN and NOTE-END on one moment
19:43 < mnemoc> s/to/that/
19:44 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:43:58 =[9]=> Finished building package engage.
19:46 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:45:54 =[9]=> Finished building package examine.
19:47 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:46:43 =[9]=> Finished building package iconbar.
19:48 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:47:51 =[9]=> Finished building package emotion.
19:48 < rxr> ok - commit soon ,-)
19:51 < rxr> == 03/29/05 19:51:47 =[9]=> Finished building package e.
19:52 < rxr> AFAICS only entrance failed - and that should be fixed in trunk due to my binutils ld patching ..
19:52 < rxr> I Emerge binutils and try again ...
19:52 < Minto> rxr: have you also removed estyle?
19:52 < rxr> yes
19:52 < rxr> I think I already commited that part, right =?
19:54 < mnemoc> 7858
19:55 < rxr> ok - there goes e17 ...
19:56 < Minto> I must have svn up-ed right before your commit. New svn up show only deleted estyle and elicit.conf
19:56 < CIA-9> rene * r7859 /trunk/package/e17/ (51 files in 23 dirs): (log message trimmed)
19:56 < CIA-9> * updated etox (2004-06-23 -> 2005-03-29)
19:56 < CIA-9> * updated epeg (2004-06-20 -> 2005-03-29)
19:56 < CIA-9> * updated efsd (2005-02-28 -> 2005-03-29)
19:56 < CIA-9> * updated evidence (2004-06-20 -> 2005-03-29)
19:56 < CIA-9> * added e (2005-03-29)
19:56 < CIA-9> * updated engage (2004-06-20 -> 2005-03-29)
20:00 < rxr> wow entice is nice !
20:02 < mnemoc> for x in package/e17/*; do ./misc/archive/Commit $x; done would be nicer
20:02 < rxr> well - it would raise our graph - but as the e17 update ... ?
20:03 < rxr> whta do you find so bad about it ?
20:03 < mnemoc> e17 update is nice :)
20:03 < rxr> I mean as atomor e17 update ...
20:03 < mnemoc> ok
20:03 < mnemoc> ack
20:03 < rxr> what is so bad about one atom - even if it is bigger ... ,-)
20:03 < mnemoc> hehe
20:03 < rxr> so - when I fixed entrance all should build ...
20:04 < mnemoc> imlib2?
20:04 < rxr> entrance failure due to imlib2 ?
20:04 < mnemoc> no no
20:04 < Minto> mnemoc: a lot of e17 packages are dependant, so one commit is even better.
20:04 < rxr> onpe due to some .so mess
20:04 < mnemoc> didn't you updated imlib2 too?
20:05 < rxr> nope
20:05 < rxr> I only updated the CVS ones ...
20:05 < rxr> you could take a look if there is a imlib2 source tarball update if you like too
20:05 * mnemoc too busy :\
20:05 < rxr> mnemoc: no problem ,-)
20:06 < Minto> according to http://enlightenment.freedesktop.org/ there are three different 1.2.0 imlib versions.
20:06 < Minto> I guess it would not hurt to have imlib2 and imlib2_loaders be cvs extracts as well
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20:07 < Minto> imlib2_loaders used edb and eet. So should it be from the same date?
20:07 < rxr> Minto: we had in the past - and switched to the tarballs since imlib2 is considered stable otr so
20:07 < rxr> 6936 amery [V] 1.2.0
20:07 < rxr> 870 kb Jan 08, 2005 00:35
20:07 < rxr> that is already recent ,-)
20:08 < Minto> Hmm, but still you have entrance problems.
20:09 < mnemoc> you can grab specific patches for it from cvs
20:09 < rxr> yes - but that is one of the well known one .so not found by linker
20:09 < mnemoc> :)
20:09 < rxr> trivial thin - needs just a bit rethinking - my brain is so xcode osx filled ...
20:09 < rxr> I think the stable imlib2 releases should be quite fine
20:10 < rxr> and e17 will some day be tarball release based - as soon as they "finish" it ... ,-)
20:10 < Minto> How about the imlib2 1.2.0.003 on the site I mentioned before?
20:11 < rxr> hm - have not seen that one on the official sourceforce mirror
20:11 < rxr> Minto: no idea what that side is - I rather use what the e17 people have on their side ...
20:13 < Minto> It's offical regular snapshot of e17 see http://enlightenment.org/index.php?session=72d091a10f&id=36&select=ePortal
20:13 < Minto> They also mention that it is newer than sf.net stuff
20:14 < rxr> Minto: I do not see much use in using 2nd source snapshot from somewhere - as long as there is s.th. broken in the release version (that seems to be new enough) or security issue I think we should try to use tarballs
20:14 < rxr> afaik imlib2 has not changed that munch in the last years
20:14 < rxr> neither did evas - so the chaning parts are the upper layers of e17 - the stuff above evas
20:15 < Minto> Are you sure it is second source?
20:16 < Minto> It is download on the official enlightenment site
20:16 < rxr> well - it seems to be some snapshot mechanism - if we would have a need for s.th. newer than this januars imlib2 release we could use our normal cvs:// snapshot mechanism ourself ...
20:16 < Minto> Well, when the need arises then
20:19 < rxr> yep
20:20 < rxr> I think entrance should build on HEAD
20:20 < rxr> this is a local problem of my very old T2 ...
20:20 < rxr> the /etc/ld.so.conf is not globbed by ld ... problem I fixed a long time ago ...
20:21 < rxr> I just debugged thru it ...
20:22 < Minto> Hmm, rxr you still have the NOCONFIGURE=1 in e17-conf.in. Is this flag used by autogen.sh or by the configure script itself. Most autogen.sh I have look at don't use it.
20:23 < rxr> I could try removing it and checkinf if s.th. fails thereafter
20:23 < rxr> my e17 build is ccached ...
20:23 < Minto> Locally I modified autogen.sh to skip calling configure.
20:24 < rxr> which autogen.sh ?
20:25 < rxr> yep - I had to hack on my ancent ld - and now entrance configures ...
20:25 < rxr> built
20:25 < mnemoc> ancent ld? are you emerging?
20:25 < Minto> All of the e17 related ones. I used the e17-conf.in strip it.
20:25 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - I emerged ...
20:26 < Minto> Like this:
20:26 < Minto> e17_hacked_autogen() {
20:26 < Minto> sed -i "s,$USER,stupid," autogen.sh
20:26 < Minto> sed -i "s,\./configure "$@",#./configure," autogen.sh
20:26 < Minto> sh autogen.sh
20:26 < Minto> true
20:26 < Minto> }
20:26 < Minto> hook_add preconf 5 "[ -e autogen.sh ] && e17_hacked_autogen"
20:27 < mnemoc> Minto: you have quotes inside quotes
20:27 < rxr> Minto: the time I wrote it - the NOCONFIGURE was there ..
20:28 < Minto> I noticed, that's because of diff.
20:28 < rxr> however your solution is more direct and not reling on it ... being present ...
20:28 < Minto> I created it with mnemoc's help yesterday.
20:29 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 37.50% (21 hits, 35 misses)
20:29 < rxr> == 03/29/05 20:28:39 =[9]=> Finished building package entrance.
20:29 < Minto> Though both our minds were clouded, mine because eating to much chocolat easter eggs and mnemoc was not feeling to well.
20:30 < rxr> -hook_add preconf 5 "if [ -e autogen.sh ] ; then sed -i s/$USER/stupid/ autogen.sh ; NOCONFIGURE=1 sh autogen.sh ; fi"
20:30 < rxr> +e17_hacked_autogen() {
20:30 < rxr> + sed -i -e 's,$USER,stupid,' \
20:30 < rxr> + -e 's,\./configure,#./configure," autogen.sh
20:30 < rxr> + sh autogen.sh
20:30 < rxr> + true
20:30 < rxr> +}
20:30 < rxr> +hook_add preconf 5 "[ -e autogen.sh ] && e17_hacked_autogen"
20:31 < rxr> hm - for some reason entrance does not cache 100% ...
20:31 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 37.50% (21 hits, 35 misses)
20:31 < rxr> that is a rebuild of the rebuild ...
20:32 < rxr> # ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -debug ccache
20:32 < rxr> checking ccache ... ccache: New source checksum (d0e58c7b06cf71b50dc2992c0bf0a4e4). Added.
20:32 < rxr> hm - also no version change ...
20:32 < rxr> however maybe one of my patches to ccache is missing ...
20:34 < rxr> yep - with the ccache rebuild the checksumming changed ...
20:34 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 2.78% (1 hits, 35 misses)
20:34 < rxr> let's see if it does cache now ,-)
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20:35 < sepp> hi
20:36 < rxr> h isehi sepp
20:36 < rxr> huh - now it does cache even less ... ?!?
20:36 < sepp> t2-src is broken
20:37 < sepp> i get an 7559b gem
20:38 < sepp> ./scripts/Create-SrcTar $root/usr/src/$pkg-$rockver.tar.bz2 creates /usr/src/-.tar.bz2
20:43 < rxr> hm ...
20:43 < rxr> could someone rebuild entrance with ccache ?
20:51 < rxr> oh - I think it was due to my configuration with debug symbols ...
20:52 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (30 hits, 0 misses)
21:55 < rxr> Minto: your e17-conf.in changes do not cause regressions - I commit them ...
21:57 < rxr> Gerhard seem to be good in bug fixing ,-)
21:59 < mnemoc> yeah!
22:00 < rxr> mnemoc: I just apply the latest patches from the list ...
22:04 < CIA-9> rene * r7860 /trunk/package/e17/imlib2/e17-conf.in:
22:04 < CIA-9> Minto van der Sluis and Rene Rebe:
22:04 < CIA-9> * cleaned e17-conf.in
22:06 < CIA-9> rene * r7861 /trunk/package/gnome2/yelp/yelp.desc:
22:06 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis :
22:06 < CIA-9> * fixed yelp build by increasing the priority beyond the mozilla build
22:07 < CIA-9> rene * r7862 /trunk/package/audio/xmp/compile.patch:
22:07 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis :
22:07 < CIA-9> * fixed xmp to compile (for gcc >= 3.4?)
22:08 < CIA-9> rene * r7863 /trunk/package/kde/koffice-i18n/koffice-i18n.conf:
22:08 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis :
22:08 < CIA-9> * fixed koffice-i18n to utilize $makeopt
22:09 < Minto> rxr: are you sure about my e17-conf.in changes. When trying to build imlib2 I get errors. When changing imlib2 to come from cvs instead it works fine.
22:10 < Minto> I get:
22:10 < Minto> !> ===[hook_eval:72 (last $?=0)> '[' -e autogen.sh ']'
22:10 < Minto> !> Due to previous errors, no 5-imlib2.log file!
22:10 < rxr> Minto: yes - I fixed this in my version - thus the and Rene Rebe ;-)
22:10 < mnemoc> || true
22:10 < rxr> the errror code is set to 1 since the expression fails - this is why the buid aborts ...
22:10 < rxr> mnemoc: ack - that is what I added
22:11 < rxr> among changing to one sed call and I think one other thing ...
22:11 < mnemoc> it's a classic on bash scripting :p
22:11 < Minto> I have to remember that one.
22:11 < rxr> ah - yes - I changed the sed regex to increase the chance of matching
22:11 < rxr> I think this was not always the case - and should look into the details how to work around that nicer ...
22:12 < Minto> I done another svn up then
22:12 < rxr> maybe this only happens when such an expression is the last one in a hook or so ?
22:12 < rxr> I mean the build abort only happens in that case ...
22:12 < rxr> of course the $? is always set to 1 ...
22:13 < Minto> ack
22:16 < mnemoc> rxr: Re: [t2] yelp reordered) <--- cuted by minimalist
22:16 < mnemoc> it was "Gecko/Mozilla-libs (Re: [t2] yelp reordered)"
22:17 < rxr> valentin: minialist expert ,-)
22:17 < mnemoc> valentin: your thing cut mine
22:17 < rxr> valentin: I guess you get a beer from mnemoc if you tweak the list to not do that ,-)
22:18 < mnemoc> :)
22:18 < mnemoc> when i go to berlin you will get beers from me for sure :)
22:18 < mnemoc> but i guess your may prefer wine :p
22:19 < jeru> re and away again ... have to sleep now. good night
22:19 < jeru> mnemoc: btw beer is ok ,)
22:19 < mnemoc> gn8 jeru
22:19 < mnemoc> :)
22:19 < jeru> but a good wine ....
22:19 < jeru> mnemoc: good recovery!
22:20 < rxr> cu jeru
22:20 < jeru> cu you all, have to get up early :|
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22:24 < valentin> mnemoc: that was the first time something like that happened
22:24 < rxr> nope - this always happened when you change the subject while keeping the message id due to reply or so ...
22:24 < valentin> mnemoc: in summertime, i like cool beer too
22:30 < CIA-9> rene * r7864 /trunk/package/emulators/simh/simh.conf:
22:30 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis :
22:30 < CIA-9> * decustmained simh
22:30 < rxr> wow 64 revisions in - 2 or 3 days ... ?
22:31 < valentin> when mnemoc does his update floods, its much more
22:32 < rxr> sure ..
22:32 < rxr> but cool enough ,-)
22:34 < valentin> thanks to Gerhard we get rid of custmain :)
22:34 < mnemoc> :)
22:36 < Minto> What should be used instead of custmain. I used custmain in the java packages.
22:36 < rxr> I think in 2.2 or so we remove custmain ..
22:36 < rxr> instead:
22:36 < rxr> makeopt=""
22:36 < rxr> makeinstopt=""
22:36 < rxr> use hooks ...
22:37 < rxr> valentin: the difficults have already be done by me ... binutils, gcc, glibc, xorg, ...
22:37 < Minto> Okay, I look into that some other time.
22:38 < mnemoc> rxr: there are packages which just copy what they extract, how would you hook-ify that?
22:38 < valentin> Minto: custmain is quite uncomfortable when you want to develop target or architecture dependend mods
22:39 < Minto> Ahhh
22:40 < mnemoc> packages need to be 'hackables' by extensions and/or targets
22:40 < mnemoc> custmain make that hard
22:41 < rxr> mnemoc: as above and hook_add postmake 5 "cp ..."
22:41 < mnemoc> we always call MAKE
22:42 < mnemoc> $MAKE
22:42 < rxr> not if makeopt and makeinstopt = "" ... ,-)
22:42 < Minto> rxr: imlib2_loader refuses to build without x11 due to xcf (?) loader. Can I use --disable-xcf when no xorg available?
22:42 < mnemoc> .oO
22:43 < mnemoc> rxr: oh, that is new :)
22:43 < rxr> mnemoc: nope
22:43 < rxr> pkginstalled xorg || var_append confopt " " "...."
22:43 < mnemoc> last time i see there only makeinstopt was optional
22:43 < rxr> nope ...
22:43 < rxr> that is long long time this way ...
22:44 < mnemoc> 6052 rene if [ "$makeopt" ]; then
22:44 < mnemoc> 1332 rene hook_eval inmake
22:44 < rxr> but that was a massive change commit - I think it really is there for a long time ...
22:44 < Minto> Actually the question is if xorg is the right package to check for?
22:45 < mnemoc> it is now, that that's what matters
22:45 < mnemoc> s/that /and /
22:47 < mnemoc> Minto: can you share your tarballs of s*n-{jdk,jre}? i don't want to be in S*N's database
22:48 < Minto> Yes, but I don't have anything open for read, can write them somewhere?
22:48 < rxr> it even is in ROCK last change 1332 rene ...
22:50 < mnemoc> if [ "$makeopt" ] ; then eval "$MAKE $makeopt" ; fi <--- revision 1
22:50 < mnemoc> you win
22:50 < mnemoc> it has at least the age of our svn
22:53 < Minto> Yuck, imlib2_loaders still needs x11
22:53 < Minto> loader_db.c:7:22: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
22:55 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you think recreating our svn database?
22:55 < rxr> injecting all known rock tarballs we find and the current history on top ?
22:56 < rxr> that way we would get more history and could also have another UUID than rock *g*
22:56 < rxr> however that would be a project for someone with too much tim ...
22:57 < mnemoc> after 2.1?
22:57 < mnemoc> do you have a copy of cvs?
22:58 < Minto> I gotto go to bed now, hope I don't have imlib2_loader nightmare.
22:58 < Minto> Sleep well all
22:58 < Minto> mnemoc: we discuss gettin you the tarballs later.
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22:59 < mnemoc> cu Minto
23:02 < rxr> mnemoc: nope
23:02 < rxr> ah - yes there was this short CVS period ...
23:02 < rxr> but that was short ..
23:02 < rxr> I meant 1.2 and 1.6 sources ...
23:02 < rxr> err and 1.4 ...
23:06 < rxr> so - what do we want to inject until 0.4.0 ...
23:06 < rxr> only the icons ...
23:06 < rxr> and I have to continue with this quicktime stuff tomorrow ...
23:06 < rxr> or - what do you think ?
23:06 < mnemoc> how can you inject history from a Changelog file?
23:08 < mnemoc> or jsut a big bunch of changes and a Changelog?
23:09 < rxr> ?
23:09 < rxr> no I mean untaring the historic releases and injecting that points into a SVN ...
23:10 < rxr> so at least some more history ...
23:10 < rxr> but well - T2 will become that different - it does not really matter ...
23:10 < mnemoc> :)
23:12 < mnemoc> having an own UUID is a must, but i think we should preserver the ROCK part of our history unchanged. r1000@rock == r1000@t2
23:15 < CIA-9> rene * r7865 /trunk/package/network/ (socat/ socat/socat.desc tsocks/ tsocks/tsocks.desc):
23:15 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech:
23:15 < CIA-9> * added socar and tsocks
23:20 < CIA-9> rene * r7866 /trunk/package/network/wvdial/wvdial.conf:
23:20 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis :
23:20 < CIA-9> * cleaned wvdial to not overwrite the $make* options
23:22 < rxr> wow - folks - e17 on T2 is running great out of the box!
23:24 < mnemoc> but you used a 'today' snapshot of a not yet finished day
23:24 < mnemoc> it can get broken today, and i'll get that broken snapshot
23:28 < rxr> it that hapen I clean up for you ,-)
23:29 < mnemoc> good :)
23:33 < CIA-9> rene * r7867 /trunk/package/emulators/simh/simh.conf:
23:33 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis :
23:33 < CIA-9> * cleaned simh further
23:38 * mnemoc feels happy with people liking match_source_file
23:38 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah!
23:38 * rxr feels happy with the new people joining T2 ,-)
23:38 * sepp is happy with t2
23:38 < mnemoc> me too :D
23:38 * mnemoc is happy with sepp happy :p
23:39 * valentin happy because of all those happy users here :)
23:40 < mnemoc> :D
23:40 < mnemoc> we are a happy family :p
23:45 * mnemoc has seen barney and teletoobbies more than what is recomended
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23:56 < rxr> oh - enlightenment core dumped ...
23:56 < rxr> *g*
23:57 < mnemoc> :)
23:57 < sepp> would it be an problem to build wxwidgets without unicode?
23:58 < rxr> sepp: well - in theory one would liek that ...
23:58 < rxr> do all the in tree packges build against a wxwidget with utf8 disabled ?
23:58 < mnemoc> is it possible to have wx24 and wx25 living together?
23:59 < sepp> yes but i tested 3 wx apps and only 3 broke because of the unicode thing
23:59 < valentin> rxr: what videos ?
23:59 < rxr> e17 videos?
23:59 < mnemoc> videos?
23:59 < rxr> on slashdot and osnews.com linked ...
23:59 < valentin> ok
23:59 < rxr> some weeks ago ...
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