--- Log opened Sun Mar 27 00:00:16 2005
--- Day changed Sun Mar 27 2005
00:00 < sepp> is there an easy way to make sinlge package patches from Create-Diff output?
00:02 < rxr> Create-Diff old new package/*/your-package ?
00:03 < sepp> ahh thanks
00:03 < ojh> mnemoc: Hi!
00:04 < rxr> hi ojh
00:05 < ojh> I just submitted a rough graft of the configuration proposal to the ML, includes sample code. :)
00:05 < ojh> draft, I mean . . .
00:09 < sepp> rxr: is it ok (for know) if i give you an url to get the patches?
00:10 < sepp> i am too lazy right now to answer/ly 23 pages about my hobbies
00:11 < sepp> lie*
00:14 < rxr> sure - url is fine enough
00:14 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/
00:14 < sepp> please tell my if you dont like them
00:14 < sepp> this are the things i checked
00:14 < sepp> i need to test some more...
00:18 < rxr> I would write the one if conditional as pkginstall ... && ....
00:18 < rxr> but they look ok ... I could just apply them ...
00:18 < rxr> the name in the URL is your real name I can use as authro for the commit message ?
00:18 < sepp> yes
00:20 < sepp> i made some new packages but i need to test it 1st
00:21 < rxr> ojh: how long are you using T2? What are you personal plans for / with it ?
00:23 < ojh> rxr: I am currently running ROCK 2.0.0, and setting up to build it and install T2 to a spare partition. I'll need that for development of the config stuff that I'm currently modeling on the current STONE tool.
00:24 < rxr> ojh: your plan is to "go" T2 then ?
00:25 < ojh> rxr: I am designing a desktop distro that uses a ROCK (but transitioning to T2, mostly for the rewrites of core components in something other then bash)
00:26 < ojh> rxr: T2 seems to be going in the direction that I want to go with a major overhaul of the core ROCK systems in C++, etc.
00:26 < keinek> i be back
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00:28 < mnemoc> re
00:28 < rxr> ojh: I see ,-)
00:28 < ojh> rxr: So I'm starting the "Tango" configuration framework for T2 rather then ROCK. But as long as there is not too much divergence Tango should work as a drop in replacement for STONE on ROCK too.
00:29 < rxr> yeah - a rewrite of STONE and ROCK Net (as well as ROCK Plug) is on our TODO
00:29 < rxr> however I need to review and play around qith LUA to comment on it ...
00:29 < rxr> do you have experience with it and use it for s.th. else ?
00:30 < ojh> rxr: Did you read the proposal? Tango will be much more ambitious then STONE is.
00:31 < rxr> yes I read over it - of course we need more abstraction than STONE offers ...
00:31 < rxr> e.g. to allow real GUI for future desktop targets ...
00:32 < sepp> i hope that you dont use c++
00:32 < mnemoc> sepp: www.lua.org
00:33 < sepp> i think everything is better
00:33 < rxr> sepp: no C++ for what part?
00:33 < ojh> The GUI support will always be optional, Tango should always be able to function on a vanilla LUA interpreter. But be able to use an X GUI if compiled in to the LUA binary.
00:33 < rxr> sepp: the question is for what you consider C++ not matching ...
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00:33 < keinek> hi again
00:33 < keinek> i solve problem with fonts
00:34 < keinek> i still use the config of debian
00:34 < sepp> rxr: i simply think that c++ is the "creepiest" modern lang. out
00:34 < sepp> there
00:34 < keinek> but add the route to fonts of t2
00:34 < rxr> sepp: ouhm - not ack
00:34 < keinek> and every font appear :)
00:34 < rxr> C++ is one of the best languages out there ... - maybe you so far only saw crappy coded legacy C code fill spagethi code ...
00:34 < mnemoc> ojh: for TimeZone:current_zone() you can use 'readlink0
00:35 < mnemoc> readlink*
00:35 < sepp> rxr: yes that is the problem
00:35 < sepp> most c++ code looks like c code without oop
00:35 < rxr> well - in any language you can inject old legacy code ...
00:35 < rxr> sepp: not mine ...
00:35 < sepp> rxr: ok :)
00:35 < mnemoc> we need a simple language more than a powerfull one for modules
00:35 < ojh> mnemoc: Not part of the default LUA System API. But I think it can be simulated.
00:35 < rxr> when we use C++ in T2 I will take sure that there is not C legacy crap in there ...
00:36 < sepp> rxr: but i think c++ is way too complex
00:36 < rxr> sepp: e.g. I have a template based DSP low-level code that automatically converts from any sample depth to any else including endianess transition
00:37 < sepp> rxr: maybe i am from an other world - i like smalltalk/ruby...
00:37 < rxr> it is pure template and nice to use - and all the auto stuff is optimized away - that is for pure depth conversion jsut one shift is left ...
00:37 < mnemoc> ojh: as you do ShellCommand("ls -l /etc/localtime") you can do the same for readlink and avoid the parsing
00:37 < ojh> mnemoc: Oh, DUH . . .
00:37 < mnemoc> ojh: just an OT comment :p
00:38 < ojh> mnemoc: Thanks for the tip :)
00:38 < mnemoc> ojh: yw :)
00:38 < rxr> well - object are as easy as in other languages - and the tempalte stuff can get complex - sure - but it delivers the power to write really nice to maintain code - that can even be very high performance on abritary data types with high type safty ...
00:39 < sepp> full ack - you can write nice code in c++ - but its not easy and most ppl get it right
00:39 < rxr> ojh: I think if we use s.th. like LUA such system calls to legacy unix toopls must convergate towards zero
00:40 < sepp> wrong*
00:40 < mnemoc> rxr: ojh is proposing LUA for config scripts and installers, not for build kit
00:40 < rxr> sepp: well - I agree that most people code poor C++ code by using all the historic C function and thus pull buffer handling problem in ...
00:41 < rxr> mnemoc: I know
00:41 < rxr> .oO( do I get a fresh coffe and continue coding - or crawl into bed soon ... ? )
00:41 < rxr> and where the heck is valentin ....
00:42 < ojh> rxr: I am hoping to avoid requiring any special support in the LUA run time, but have the option of cool stuff like nice GUIs, etc if compiled in.
00:42 < sepp> rxr: do you know http://digitalmars.com/d/ ?
00:42 < rxr> only read some overview about d some time ago ...
00:43 < sepp> there is an gcc d right now
00:44 < sepp> its not production ready but its nice
00:45 < rxr> can lua be compiled with dietlibc ?
00:46 < rxr> ojh: what did you make choose lua? any other stuff you do with it? or just testing it out ?
00:46 < ojh> rxr: I have also been considering implementing a SOAP/XMLRPC interface to Tango so an entire network full of boxes can be controlled from a central control unit for advanced organizational level maintainability. Still need to be careful not to create a ready made zombie army with such a system.
00:48 < ojh> rxr: I evaluated many scripting and control languages during my game programming phase. Well, I never wrote any killer games but the tech of game programming tough me a lot. :)
00:50 < ojh> ojh: Read the list of projects on LUA.org that use it, it has been used in everything from very high profile games to embedded and scientific computing systems.
00:51 < sepp> lua was the lang. used in many modern games?
00:52 < rxr> there is also this other tiny embedded interpreter the enlightenment people adopted as embryo ...
00:52 < rxr> did you looked into that ?
00:52 < mnemoc> err... i just noticed we are not using pam
00:53 < keinek> i have problem emerge gthumb
00:53 < rxr> who is not using pam ?
00:53 < keinek> configure: error: Library requirements ( glib-2.0 >= 2.4 .
00:53 < ojh> rxr: I have seen embryo and it looked, I don't know, immature . . .
00:53 < mnemoc> strace id rene 2>& | less
00:54 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
00:54 < keinek> before emerge glib
00:54 < rxr> ojh: seems I have to take a look into lua and embryo next week ...
00:54 < keinek> meaby glibc32 is neede?
00:54 < rxr> nope
00:55 < rxr> keinek: coudl you poste the full error of the dependency problem ?
00:55 < keinek> sure
00:55 < mnemoc> rxr: does id use pam there?
00:56 < rxr> mnemoc: id ?
00:56 < mnemoc> yes, id
00:56 < rxr> mnemoc: please talk in more words - I do not understand you ..
00:57 < mnemoc> `id rene`
00:57 < rxr> ah - ok
00:57 < ojh> rxr: LUA is small, fast and very well tested language with an impressive track record. The data manipulation constructs are very high level (so you don't have to think about what odd character your variable names start with . . . stab -> PERL)
00:58 < rxr> mnemoc: no PAM in strace id ...
00:58 < rxr> ojh: the programs are compiled into byte code I guess?
00:59 < keinek> i see the error :)
01:00 < sepp> is this the lua from "Game Programming with Python, Lua, and Ruby" ?
01:00 < ojh> rxr: Yes, it runs byte code generated automatically from source, like Python, etc.
01:00 < mnemoc> sepp: yes
01:00 < sepp> ohh i read about it
01:01 < mnemoc> rxr: vm is 80k and vm+compiler is 100k acording to jsaw
01:01 < ojh> sepp: I would guess so - how many languages named lua are widely used in game programming?
01:02 < sepp> ojh: i dont know - how many lang. was named basic?
01:02 < mnemoc> sepp: :D
01:02 < ojh> sepp: Point. :-/
01:03 < rxr> ojh: mnemoc: did you noticed clifford started his own object oriented s.th. language - IIRC I also read for use for s.th. in ROCK ...
01:03 < rxr> nice, isn't it ... ?
01:03 < mnemoc> rxr: cliff loves to start projects
01:04 < rxr> keinek: how did you solved your last missing font problem ?
01:04 < keinek> yes
01:04 < ojh> Starting projects is easy . . . . I find finishing them the challenge . . .
01:05 < keinek> i will add the route in the conf
01:05 < keinek> and all font appear.
01:05 < keinek> :)
01:06 < rxr> ojh: yeah - ,-) my words
01:08 < rxr> damn - again over an hour wasted on this hyper intuitive interface builder of apple ...
01:08 < rxr> damn - aaaaaaaaarggggggggggh...
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01:12 < sepp> hehe dont worry in the time your silly osx ide crashes i hunt 0pointers in gaim
01:14 < sepp> as productive as osx
01:22 < rxr> I can imagine ...
01:25 < sepp> there is an nice gaim plugin http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ but gaim is really (i find no words)
01:31 < rxr> sepp: yes?
01:32 < sepp> yes what?
01:33 < rxr> gaim is ?
01:33 < rxr> honest question - never used it ...
01:33 < sepp> ohh please dont let me start about gtk...
01:34 < rxr> ah - ok - so we agree *g*
01:34 < mnemoc> :\
01:34 < sepp> its BEEP BEEEEEEP BEEEEEEEEEP
01:35 < sepp> damn what drugs do you need to write such crap
01:35 < sepp> i will never use them
01:36 < sepp> i dont like kde but what an bad joke is gnome????
01:38 * mnemoc use xfce
01:38 < sepp> i use fluxbox without gnome/kde
01:38 < rxr> sepp: finally one more that agrees whith that conclusion ,-)
01:38 < ojh> sepp: GTK can be a very fast toolkit when not tied to a mess like Gnome. That's why I use Xfce or ROX :)
01:39 < sepp> fltk is very fast
01:39 < sepp> but not gtk!
01:40 < sepp> the only fast gtk app i saw was dillo
01:40 < sepp> and sylpheed
01:40 < mnemoc> let's stop the bashing
01:40 < rxr> *g*
01:40 < ojh> sepp: But if we are spouting opinions, I always feel slightly sick after using KrashDE.
01:40 < rxr> ojh: thanks again for your config proposal ...
01:41 < rxr> I think I take some minutes to scroll over the lua page on the iBook in my bed ...
01:41 < ojh> rxr: THX :)
01:41 < rxr> and all the others nice to see you around here - hope you join more often ...
01:41 < rxr> so - my batch scanning works now ...
01:42 < sepp> damn i already reformed my desk with the gaim BEEEP
01:42 < rxr> more work on that osx thing tomorrow ... - but I need some sleep(); cycle ... first
01:43 < sepp> i reahped it with my head
01:43 < sepp> reshaped*
01:43 < ojh> I am interested in feedback on the project. I think Tango can cover some very interesting new ground for a system administration tool and framework.
01:45 < rxr> ojh: I will respond as soon as I took some look into lua et al - next week most probably ...
01:46 < ojh> rxr: As a reference you'll need to see http://www.lua.org/pil/
01:46 < mnemoc> ojh: can you share some screenshots of the default and posible outputs too?
01:48 < CIA-9> rene * r7799 /trunk/package/gnome2/gaim/gaim.desc:
01:48 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech:
01:48 < CIA-9> * updated gaim (1.1.4 -> 1.2.0)
01:49 < rxr> good that noone sees those are commited from osx ...
01:49 < ojh> mnemoc: It'll be a while before there are screen shots. Much of the framework needs to be completed before attempting any sort of GUI, the first interface will be in VT escape codes and basically look like STONE console mode.
01:50 < CIA-9> rene * r7800 /trunk/package/gnome2/abiword/ (abiword.conf abiword.desc):
01:50 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech:
01:50 < CIA-9> * updated abiword (2.2.3 -> 2.2.5)
01:50 < CIA-9> rene * r7801 /trunk/package/multimedia/ffmpeg/ffmpeg.conf:
01:50 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech:
01:50 < CIA-9> * reenabled mmx optimization on ffmpeg
01:51 < mnemoc> ojh: i thought there were UI modules already available for lua
01:51 < CIA-9> rene * r7802 /trunk/package/audio/ardour/ardour.desc:
01:51 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech:
01:51 < CIA-9> * updated ardour (0.9beta26 -> 0.9beta28)
01:52 < rxr> what else was there to apply ...
01:52 < CIA-9> rene * r7803 /trunk/package/x11/fluxbox/fluxbox.desc:
01:52 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech:
01:52 < CIA-9> * updated fluxbox (0.9.10 -> 0.9.12)
01:53 < sepp> i think that was it
01:54 < mnemoc> sepp: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/T2/regressions.html here there are some pending updates if you want to play
01:55 < sepp> tomorrow
01:55 < sepp> right now i throw my head on the desk
01:55 < ojh> mnemoc: Yes, if I looked I'm sure that some LUA libs exist for console manipulation. What needs to be worked out is the abstract IU description interface. The interface created by the Controller then needs to be interrupted (depending on how its being presented to the user) by the View implementations. The View will then build a form layout that works best in console, X, Web or whatever from the description of WHAT the form needs to accomplish.
01:56 < mnemoc> sepp: :)
01:57 < mnemoc> ojh: :)
01:58 < sepp> i like ruby
01:58 < sepp> but i did not really test lua
01:59 < ojh> mnemoc: think . . . . LyX for the GUI . . .
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01:59 < ojh> mnemoc: A description of WHAT you want, not exact what it looks like.
03:00 < mnemoc> ojh: what is LyX doing here?
03:00 < mnemoc> ic
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03:00 < mnemoc> so you want classes + declarative forms = UI?
03:02 < CIA-9> rene * r7804 /trunk/package/mail/metamail/90_mm-2.7-malloc.patch:
03:02 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis:
03:02 < CIA-9> * fixed metamail to compile (conflicting malloc prototype)
03:02 < ojh> mnemoc: Yes. Each 'object' creates descriptions of how it needs to interact to the user. The View deals with the details of putting it on the screen.
03:03 < mnemoc> metamail built here
03:04 < sepp> that was an #ifndef whatever problem?
03:04 < sepp> metamail...
03:04 < ojh> mnemoc: Easily constructing complex nested data structures is what LUA lists excel at. A good tool to describe complex structures like a GUI.
03:05 < mnemoc> hwen you talk about lists in that way i remember lisp :(
03:06 < mnemoc> -extern char *malloc(); <-- oh.... funny declaration
03:06 < ojh> mnemoc: Well . . . I guess the entire thing COULD be done as an EMACS extension . . .
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03:06 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly
03:07 < mnemoc> ojh: i hate emacs more than i hate kde :)
03:07 < ojh> mnemoc: The EMACS really would be your OS.
03:07 < ojh> LOL
03:07 < mnemoc> rxr reads his mail on emacs :\
03:08 < sepp> gnumacs?
03:08 < ojh> mnemoc: LOL!
03:10 < ojh> sepp: No that would be GNULinMacs OS!!!
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03:11 < sepp> ojh: i mean the gnu emacs
03:11 < ojh> sepp: (It was a joke)
03:12 < sepp> ojh: hehe
03:12 < sepp> was too tired to get it
03:12 < rxr> mnemoc: no i don't these days
03:13 < mnemoc> rxr: :)
03:14 * sepp will will dream of gtk...
03:15 < mnemoc> rxr: talking about gtk, is gsmp alive?
03:15 < CIA-9> rene * r7805 /trunk/package/mail/procmail/procmail.conf: * decustmained procmail
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03:15 < ojh> Back on the desktop subject I have been extremal
03:16 < ojh> Back on the desktop subject I have been extremely pleased with the full ROX system as a DE.
03:17 < ojh> Using the full core component stack from Zero-Install. :)
03:17 < rxr> mnemoc: well - partly - currently we focus on T2 and the single exclusive OSX thing we get payed for ...
03:18 < rxr> mnemoc: and gsmp-ng will not be gtk at all ...
03:18 < rxr> mnemoc: why do you ask ?
03:18 < mnemoc> ojh: we only have rox-filer here, can you send patches to get rox here?
03:18 < mnemoc> rxr: i has asked for a good gtk+ audio tool able to record from mic
03:18 < mnemoc> and i recommended gsmp
03:18 < rxr> hehehe ,-)
03:19 < mnemoc> :)
03:19 < rxr> well - the old version has some hard to track memory corruption bug ...
03:19 < mnemoc> :\
03:19 < rxr> and the -ng stuff is still not ready due to the major lack of time coding for it ...
03:19 < ojh> Well, once Zero-Install (and dbus) are up and running the entire DE is never "installed" I just run it from the Zero Install location.
03:19 < rxr> however with the old glibc 2.2 or so the old gsmp will run fine ...
03:20 < rxr> ok - people I think I flushed all the remaining stuff right ?=
03:20 < rxr> wah! 03:20 ?!?!?
03:20 < rxr> susan will kill me ...
03:20 < mnemoc> :)
03:21 < ojh> In fact I submitted a set of patches to ROCK that install Zero Install and required packages. Not sure if anyone else has tried them yet.
03:21 < rxr> damn - she gets t2 mail - so there is no chance denining the time I felt asleep ...
03:21 < mnemoc> rxr: you are doomed
03:21 < mnemoc> she will see those commits at 3am
03:22 < mnemoc> ojh: send them to our ML
03:22 < rxr> I think she currently does not follow -svn due to the high traffic ..
03:22 < rxr> but I wrote to the list ...
03:22 < ojh> For me the ROX-Filer, OroROX WM and ROX-Session are all provided from the ROX 0install site.
03:22 < rxr> but anyway I was majorly just joking ...
03:23 < rxr> ojh: for any architecture ?
03:23 < ojh> mnemoc: Sure. Just post the patch file?
03:23 < mnemoc> ojh: yes
03:24 < rxr> ah - there was a daylight saving in between ..
03:24 < rxr> no wonder it appeared that the time rushed away ...
03:24 < rxr> damn daylight saving ..
03:24 < rxr> I did not even noticed that there is that barrier today again ...
03:24 < mnemoc> i'm 21:25 here
03:24 < rxr> 25 minutes ago it was 2:00 here ...
03:25 < rxr> but now it is 3:25 ...
03:25 < mnemoc> we were 4 hours away, no we are on 6
03:25 < mnemoc> now*
03:25 < keinek> great! i make my own template :)
03:25 < keinek> and today will start compile.
03:25 < keinek> all i need.
03:25 < mnemoc> aaaah! i forgot to plug the laptop
03:25 < keinek> ahhhhh
03:25 < keinek> :D
03:26 < keinek> hey someone program like gthumb?
03:26 * mnemoc is safe again
03:26 < keinek> something like gthumb?
03:26 < keinek> i need a program to see photos
03:26 < rxr> keinek: many - xzgv (sucks)
03:26 < mnemoc> eog :)
03:26 < rxr> keinek: and then there is - ah yes qgview or so - that is nicer
03:26 < keinek> i like gthumb buts... req gnome libs
03:27 < rxr> and of course Qt / KDE stuff
03:27 < keinek> qgview
03:27 < keinek> :)
03:27 < keinek> i will try
03:28 < ojh> mnemoc: Done. Check the list for the patch. :)
03:28 < CIA-9> rene * r7806 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/mplayer.conf:
03:28 < CIA-9> * fixed mplayer to match the Skin file and
03:28 < CIA-9> * fixed mplayer to symlink the default Skin
03:28 < rxr> ok - but now I'm really really off - cu today after that sleep cycle ...
03:28 < keinek> i delete some package like i18n-fr
03:28 < mnemoc> cu rxr
03:29 < mnemoc> ojh: nothing yet
03:29 < keinek> cu rxr
03:30 < ojh> mnemoc: I just got it back.
03:32 < mnemoc> uhm?
03:33 < ojh> mnemoc: I checked the list, the message with the patch appeared.
03:34 < mnemoc> ojh: dbus? we have dbus
03:36 < ojh> mnemoc: When I built it ROCK did not. You should be able to just delete the desc from the file, I think.
03:37 < mnemoc> sure
03:38 < mnemoc> they need some cleanup but i'll add them to my local test field
03:38 < ojh> mnemoc: Or would a tarball of the files be preferred over the diff?
03:39 < mnemoc> no no
03:39 < mnemoc> diff is the only media allowed
03:39 < ojh> OK
03:42 < keinek> hey friend
03:42 < keinek> you can
03:42 < keinek> make free call phones
03:42 < keinek> with that http://www.sipphone.com/
03:42 < keinek> one friend call me now
03:42 < ojh> mnemoc: Once 0install is up and running I have test programs on my site ('/uri/0install/zirconium.xisystems.net/' with 0install running) including the required dependencies pulled from the site.
03:42 < keinek> but i dont understand nothing jajaja
03:42 < keinek> 5 min for day
03:42 < keinek> but the program is under windows
03:43 < mnemoc> ojh: i don't understand zeroinstall.conf
03:44 < mnemoc> ojh: your custmain just create the accounts, it doesn't install anything
03:45 < ojh> mnemoc: Let me look at the file . . . just a sec . . .
03:45 < mnemoc> adn why do you have two [D]s for the same file?
03:47 < ojh> mnemoc: Perhaps I misunderstood the [D] tag, I thought multiple source locations could specified with multiple [D] tags.
03:47 < mnemoc> :)
03:49 * mnemoc downloading file
03:49 < ojh> mnemoc: Did i do something wrong in zeroinstall.conf? I thought that the usual configure - make - make install was executed after 'custmain' executed.
03:50 < mnemoc> nope, custmain replace the usual configure-make-make_install cycle
03:51 < ojh> mnemoc: Oops! I guess I should have done more testing :(
03:51 < mnemoc> yes
03:51 < mnemoc> lazyfs and zero-install didn't downloaded
03:52 < ojh> mnemoc: . . . . Let me check my site . . .
03:52 < mnemoc> http://sourceforge.net/projects/zero-install
03:52 < mnemoc> i'll use that versions
03:53 < ojh> mnemoc: WAIT! They do not post tarballs! They are gpg encrypted tarballs.
03:54 < _Ragnar_> ^_^
03:54 < ojh> mnemoc: And I could never figure out how to get that to work in the ROCK build system :-/
03:55 < mnemoc> pff
03:56 < ojh> mnemoc: So, in the config file what should be in place of 'custmain' to make sure that the main() executes before configure . . . make install?
03:57 < mnemoc> ojh: package can't create users or groups, use postsysfiles.conf isntead
03:57 < mnemoc> ojh: btw, this rules applies to rock too
03:58 < mnemoc> ooo has been 3 hours building.... this looks good
03:59 < ojh> mnemoc: IC, point me to an example that uses 'postsysfiles.conf' please.
04:00 < mnemoc> ojh: ls package/*/*/postsysfiles.in choose one :)
04:01 < mnemoc> ojh: and register the selected uid/gid on Documentation/Developers/REGISTER
04:02 < ojh> mnemoc: IC now . . . :)
04:08 < ojh> mnemoc: I see the mistake I made now, I reran 'emerge zeroinstall' after commenting out the custmain in the conf file. I never realized that it was not building. I commented it out because the user already existed.
04:08 < mnemoc> :)
04:08 < mnemoc> tipical
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04:32 < valentin> mnemoc: "they" are at r5748 or did i get that wrong ?
04:34 < mnemoc> "he" still having hardware troubles
04:34 < mnemoc> so nobody can do anything "there"
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04:52 < valentin> mnemoc: i rewrote the WhatIsSDE section in the wiki
04:52 < mnemoc> :D
04:53 < valentin> we have to add many more introductions and docs
04:54 < valentin> a thing where "they" are much more advanced than "us"
04:55 < mnemoc> what will rene do with the drupal?
04:55 < mnemoc> OOo has been building for 3:30 hours
04:57 < valentin> i do not know - i took a look but i did not find out how to organize the structure of the pages
04:59 < mnemoc> it isn't hard... look how function/pkgprefix is organized
05:00 < mnemoc> but i prefer a wiki over this 'book' thing
05:00 < mnemoc> valentin: have you seen trac?
05:01 < mnemoc> i think html on a CMS is a bug, so i dislike most CMSs
05:06 < mnemoc> 4 hours!
05:07 < mnemoc> linux26 take 55m and kdebindings 1:40
05:07 < valentin> well ooo is a big blockbuster (we noticed on cebit :)
05:07 < valentin> mnemoc: trac ?
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05:09 < mnemoc> valentin: a python based wiki which is designed as part of a svn-based project
05:10 < mnemoc> it even use the same accounts
05:10 < mnemoc> http://www.edgewall.com/trac/
05:18 < valentin> is there a shell syntax to read a complete line into a variable ?
05:23 < mnemoc> while read var; do
05:23 < mnemoc> true
05:23 < mnemoc> done < file
05:24 < valentin> i thought that would read the first token only
05:24 < mnemoc> no
05:24 < mnemoc> the last var takes all the rest
05:24 < mnemoc> read x y; do
05:24 < mnemoc> x="all"
05:24 < mnemoc> y="the rest"
05:25 < valentin> i'll never catch on bash logic
05:25 < mnemoc> :)
05:25 < mnemoc> you can also do stuff like: read x THIS x x x THAT x; do
05:37 < valentin> daylight saving :( so i have to sleep now
05:38 < valentin> gn8 mnemoc
05:38 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin
05:39 < valentin> cu
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06:49 < mnemoc> 5:45 hours building OOo!
06:58 < _Ragnar_> O_O
06:59 < mnemoc> the worse part is that i know it will fail
06:59 < _Ragnar_> that's bad
07:02 < mnemoc> i think we should have a ooo-bin package :\
07:03 * _Ragnar_ nods
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07:13 < keinek> hi
07:13 < keinek> hey guy i back from windows :S
07:13 < keinek> jejjee
07:13 < keinek> i make free phone call
07:13 < keinek> that allow 5 min for day
07:14 < keinek> but.. if delete the reg of windows, the program show the option for register again.
07:14 < keinek> so.
07:14 < keinek> i talk 5 min again.
07:14 < keinek> and again
07:14 < keinek> and again. :)
07:14 < keinek> meaby tomorror have or two call to germany :P
07:15 < keinek> sipphone.com
07:15 < keinek> meabe with wine works
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09:18 < mipe> hi Minto
09:19 < mipe> Minto:you are java freak right?
09:25 < Minto> Hi mipe
09:25 < Minto> Maybe! but only partly
09:26 < Minto> Would I be hanging out here if I was only a java freak?
09:33 < mipe> heh, i mean that you like using/coding java?
09:39 < Minto> Yes I do. I think java has some advantages over other languages. But I do not know all languages so some probably have advantages over java.
09:52 < CIA-9> lars * r7807 /trunk/package/network/openh323/openh323.desc: * Set NOPARALLEL flag on openh323.
11:33 < valentin> moin
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11:45 < mipe> rxr: heres the bootdisk output(tools-build.err) http://212.66.194.40/bootdisk/
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11:57 < valentin> moin sparc-kly
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12:55 < rxr_> moin
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12:59 < rxr> moin valentin
13:17 < valentin> moin
13:18 < rxr> so /me soon to the breakfast "lunch" - damn was I tired and slept far too long ...
13:19 < rxr> and then back to file writing hacking ...
13:19 < rxr> valentin: batch scanning already works - only the file selector and file writing needs to be added - and then it should be basically ready ...
13:19 < rxr> of course later I should add real capability negotiation ...
13:25 < rxr> mnemoc: Linux 2.6.11.6 (2.6)
13:30 < rxr> cu
13:38 < mipe> rxr:http://212.66.194.40:8080/cocoon/samples/blocks/portal/portal
13:39 < mipe> rxr:if you want to get rid of drupal, theres atleast 2 java users here,so extending the example portal would be quite easy
13:40 < mipe> rxr:and beside there wont be much java coding involved to extend it. it uses xml,xslt,xsp to process info
13:40 < mipe> rxr: that's and alternative for new website
13:41 < mipe> but the above url is sample of the portal that comes with cocoon,very easy to change behaviour
13:43 < mipe> for more info about cocoon:http://cocoon.apache.org
14:41 < CIA-9> mika * r7808 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/mplayer.conf: * mplayer,if xmms installed,pass xmms libdir to configure
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16:04 < mnemoc> moin
16:06 < mnemoc> == 19:07:04 =[5]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m86 2.1.0-rc1].
16:06 < mnemoc> == 03/27/05 09:54:49 =[5]=> Aborted building package ooo.
16:06 < valentin> moin mnemoc
16:06 < mnemoc> hi valentin
16:06 < valentin> aborted ?
16:06 < mnemoc> failed
16:07 < valentin> after 11h ?\
16:07 < valentin> oh even more than 11h
16:07 < valentin> 15h
16:08 < mnemoc> on a p4/256
16:08 < mnemoc> p4(2800)/256
16:08 < mnemoc> ***************************************************************
16:08 < mnemoc> ERROR: HostName not defined for gid_Dir_User_Autotext_Language for specified language.
16:08 < mnemoc> in function: checking_directories_with_corrupt_hostname
16:08 < mnemoc> Saved logfile: /TOOLCHAIN/src.ooo.1111878256.32387.7f0100/ooo-build-1.9.86.2/build/src680-m86/instsetoo_native/util/OpenOffice/logging/ALL/log_SRC680__ALL.log
16:08 < mnemoc> ***************************************************************
16:08 < mnemoc> Sun Mar 27 08:32:33 2005 (00:17 min.)
16:09 < mnemoc> Failed to install: at ./ooinstall line 110.
16:09 < mnemoc> make: *** [install] Error 1
16:09 < valentin> gaaahhh
16:09 < mnemoc> it seems it took 1:30 parsing fl_wrapper
16:09 < mnemoc> 1:20 :)
16:10 < valentin> mnemoc is now known as sisyphos ,)
16:10 < valentin> much fun recompiling
16:11 < mnemoc> and again and again and again
16:15 < mnemoc> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.7G 2005-03-27 09:54 fl_wrapper.rlog
16:15 < mnemoc> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 109M 2005-03-27 09:54 fl_wrapper.wlog
16:16 < mnemoc> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30M 2005-03-27 09:54 ERROR-LOG
16:18 < mnemoc> jsaw: see this nice numbers --^ :)
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16:25 < mipe> lol
16:26 < mnemoc> the most impresive the is time taken.... almost 13 hours
16:27 < mnemoc> on a machine that take 55m on build linux26, and about 1:30 to build kde-bindings
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16:34 < keinek> hi
16:34 < valentin> hi
16:34 < valentin> keiniek: you read about sepps note to the quake installation ?
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16:56 < keinek__> hi
16:56 < keinek__> hey keinek and keinek __ go away!
16:56 < keinek_> ok
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17:12 < rxr> re
17:14 < rxr> mnemoc: oh my god ...
17:14 < rxr> mnemoc: and those numbers on easter - how rediculous ...
17:15 < rxr> mnemoc: when you fix the latest os type not know issue, ... - could you commit immediately I would start a new build on my athlon then ...
17:28 < mnemoc> uhm
17:29 < mnemoc> i have been thinking and it isn't hard to implement a Resume-Build src.foo.*
17:29 < rxr> yes - that is hard ...
17:29 < mnemoc> we just need to keep start data and a log
17:29 < rxr> however you can continue it manually to test OOO further eithout a full rebuild ...
17:30 < mnemoc> using the 'hooks' as references
17:30 < rxr> mnemoc: but not in the next days ... - maybe in 2.2 or so ...
17:30 < mnemoc> i know
17:30 < rxr> have you fixed the above problem already ?
17:31 < rxr> I hope you ccache your ooo build ..
17:31 < CIA-9> rene * r7809 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.11.5 -> 2.6.11.6)
17:32 < rxr> mnemoc: btw I would vote against a ooo-bin package ...
17:32 < mnemoc> i yes, i have ccache, but i doubt it kept the whole data
17:33 < mnemoc> it failed after 15! hours
17:33 < rxr> I saw ...
17:33 < rxr> mnemoc: ooo error above fixed? So I can start a new build on my athlon ... ?
17:34 < mnemoc> no, i haven't looked into it
17:34 < rxr> ouhm
17:34 < rxr> maybe I start one nontheless since I had a problem early on I shoudl debug ...
17:34 < rxr> this gnuoldld thing ...
17:35 < mnemoc> do you want by .cache to be sure you have the dependencies?
17:35 < rxr> an updated ooo .cache? sure ...
17:36 < rxr> btw. should we rename ooo to openoffice ? ooo is slightly unintuitive - however I know open office without .org is some other strange trademark ..
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17:36 < rxr> hi mipe
17:36 < mipe> hi rxr
17:36 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe the full openofficeorg or so ...
17:36 < mipe> well on my fresh t2 now
17:36 < mnemoc> rxr: full openofficeorg?
17:36 < mipe> mnemosyne to be exact, sad thing is that i cant log into user account
17:37 < rxr> as name ...
17:37 < mnemoc> mipe: ?
17:37 < mipe> user account exists but,just outputs cant cd to /home/mipe
17:37 < mnemoc> rxr: wait until it builds first :)
17:37 < mnemoc> mipe: mkdir /home/mipe; chown mipe:users /home/mipe :)
17:38 < mipe> mnemoc:i already did that
17:39 < mipe> i just dont understand why it cant cd to it
17:39 < mnemoc> chown?
17:39 < mnemoc> chmod?
17:40 < mipe> yep, even su - mipe,gives unable to cd to "/home/mipe"
17:41 < mipe> hmm, and runit services doesnt run(socklog), and the default dhcp client(udhcpc) doesnt work on me
17:41 < CIA-9> rene * r7810 /trunk/package/e17/efsd/efsd_automake.patch:
17:41 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis :
17:41 < CIA-9> * fixed efsd for automake 1.9
17:42 < mipe> me off for while
17:42 < mipe> rxr:did you read my comment on setting cocoon to replace drupal?
17:46 < CIA-9> rene * r7811 /trunk/package/base/rpm/rpm.conf:
17:46 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis and Rene Rebe:
17:46 < CIA-9> * decustmained rpm and fixed compilation
17:46 < rxr> yes - I read it ...
17:46 < rxr> mipe: I visit the site later
17:46 < rxr> I merge the ml patches and have to develop the osx stuff further ...
17:47 < rxr> mipe: thanks for the suggestion
17:50 < CIA-9> rene * r7812 /trunk/package/gnome14/gnome-libs14/gnome-libs14.conf:
17:50 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis :
17:50 < CIA-9> * decustmained gnome-libs14
17:50 < mnemoc> Gerhard Weis is?
17:52 < rxr> mailing list ... ?
17:53 < rxr> I don't know him personally ...
17:53 < rxr> I just merge the list content ...
17:53 < rxr> and polish the changes further ...
17:53 < CIA-9> rene * r7813 /trunk/package/multimedia/xanim/xanim.conf:
17:53 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis and Rene Rebe:
17:53 < CIA-9> * decustmained xanim
17:57 < rxr> mnemoc: could you thow those changes in your reg tracker?
17:58 < rxr> I have not tested them since I'm primarily in osx right now ...
17:58 < CIA-9> rene * r7814 /trunk/package/editors/emacs-xemacs-shared/emacs-xemacs-shared.conf:
17:58 < CIA-9> Gerhard Weis and Rene Rebe:
17:58 < CIA-9> * decustmained emacs-xemacs-shared and fixed it to use match_source_file
17:58 < rxr> or - hm - I schedule them manually on my athlon ...
18:00 < mnemoc> i'm building audio/ardour right now
18:00 < mnemoc> when it finish i'll svn up
18:05 < rxr> mnemoc: don't pull those yet
18:06 < rxr> I have to fix regressions ...
18:06 < rxr> damn - first I did not woke up in the morning - then a lovely easter lunch - and now I do T2 instead of OSX work - damn ...
18:06 < mnemoc> that's why i don't commit without testing :)
18:06 * rxr kicks himself ...
18:06 < mnemoc> hehe
18:06 < rxr> I 'm in OSX - I can not test here ...
18:07 < mnemoc> :)
18:07 < rxr> of course I could push each chset via scp, but ...
18:07 < mnemoc> [t2] efsd and automake 1.9 <--- finally an autocrap expert
18:08 < rxr> yes!
18:08 < rxr> T2 starts to take off even further ...
18:16 < rxr> mnemoc: with srctar=``
18:16 < rxr> match_source_file -p bla some-other-pkg -^
18:16 < rxr> the extraction does of course fail ...
18:16 < mnemoc> uhm?
18:16 < rxr> was the some easy fix for that - or should I patch functions to allow absolute srctar files ..
18:17 < rxr> currentl it always prepends the $archdir ...
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18:17 < mnemoc> i prefer to remove $archdir
18:17 < mnemoc> but is you want to use it remove -p
18:17 < mnemoc> from the call
18:17 < rxr> no
18:18 < rxr> the file is not in archdir - since it is from another package ...
18:18 < rxr> I think I patch it to allow absolute file specifications - right ?
18:21 < rxr> == 03/27/05 18:15:21 =[9]=> Finished building package efsd.
18:22 < rxr> + [[ $xsrctar = /* ]] && x=$xsrctar || x=$archdir/$xsrctar echo "Extracting $xsrctar ($taropt) ... " cd $builddir
18:22 < rxr> - tar -v $taropt $archdir/$xsrctar | tee untar.txt |
18:22 < rxr> + tar -v $taropt $x | tee untar.txt |
18:22 < mnemoc> srctar=`match_source_file`?? uff
18:22 < rxr> f*cking osx terminal.app ..
18:22 < mnemoc> ok
18:22 < mnemoc> i never thought that would be needed
18:23 < rxr> mnemoc: do you see that we need it - or a cleaner solution ...
18:23 < mnemoc> proper [D]s
18:23 < rxr> the problem is that the srctar is not a D from the package - but from another one ...
18:23 < rxr> well - ok - do we want to enforce that ?
18:23 < mnemoc> we do on linux*
18:23 < rxr> of coruse this way emacs-xemacs-shared would fail to build if xemacs was not downlaoded ...
18:24 < rxr> svn revert scripts/functions
18:27 < CIA-9> rene * r7815 /trunk/package/editors/emacs-xemacs-shared/ (emacs-xemacs-shared.conf emacs-xemacs-shared.desc):
18:27 < CIA-9> * fixed emacs-xemacs-shared by havning an own download - so not only
18:27 < CIA-9> Emerge-Pkg works now - but also to avoid less strict $archdir
18:27 < CIA-9> handling in scripts/functions
18:29 < rxr> mnemoc: which other e17 package failed for some time now ?
18:29 < rxr> mnemoc: gweis needs to know to fix it ,-)
18:29 < rxr> I do not remeber off hand ...
18:31 < mnemoc> 5 e17/efsd
18:31 < mnemoc> 5 e17/evidence
18:31 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/T2/regressions.html
18:34 < rxr> hm - that is evas missing - do you have evas ?
18:35 < mnemoc> maybe build order
18:35 < mnemoc> i don't have evas on the report
18:36 < mnemoc> # cat build/ref-2.1.0-rc1-x86-pentium4-generic-expert/var/adm/packages/evas
18:36 < mnemoc> Package Name and Version: evas 2004-06-20 2.1.0-rc1
18:36 < mnemoc> Package Size: 2.22 MB, 62 files
18:36 < mnemoc> T2 Package Source Checksum: 2f89e48721f452375253fcfdf429b55a
18:36 < mnemoc> i'll reschedule evidence to see
18:36 < rxr> ah!
18:36 < mnemoc> Scheduling package 'evidence' for rebuild ...
18:36 < rxr> nice that the f*cking RPM build fluff hides error !!!
18:37 < rxr> >/dev/null 2>&1
18:37 < mnemoc> pff
18:37 < rxr> the real error (not evident from the log is):
18:37 < rxr> rpmrc.c:908: error: can't find a register in class `BREG' while reloading `asm'
18:37 < rxr> !!!!
18:37 < mnemoc> fear
18:37 < rxr> and I tried around why the hell the make abors without error from gcc !?!?!?!?!?
18:40 < valentin> re
18:41 < rxr> hi valentin
18:41 < mnemoc> rxr: on your next mail to gweis, can you point him to me regressions report? and to IRC? :)
18:42 < rxr> not to IRC - either people like it an join - or they prefer more asynchronous communication
18:42 < rxr> I would like to see the list more populated - so ... ,-)
18:43 < mnemoc> ok :)
18:46 < rxr> so - rpm fix to be committed in some seconds - I hope - back to the osx schedule ....
18:46 < rxr> I think I prepare a pot of coffee ...
18:50 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/T2/regressions.html <--- r7806 completed
18:52 < rxr> announce to the list then ? ,-)
18:52 < mnemoc> the next :)
18:53 < rxr> 73 broken packages - not bad for 1500+ packages ...
18:53 < mnemoc> after you fix rpm :p
18:53 < mnemoc> some of those are not yet added
18:53 < mnemoc> so they don't count
18:54 < CIA-9> amery * r7816 /trunk/package/python/pyrexc/ (. pyrexc.desc):
18:54 < CIA-9> Greg Ewing
18:54 < CIA-9> * added pyrexc (0.9.3)
18:57 < rxr> mnemoc: do you merge all of those packages from the list ?
18:59 < valentin> anyone looked at ojh's config proposal ? it would be nice to generate an answer ....
18:59 < rxr> valentin: we talked with him here in IRC and need a deeper review ...
19:00 < valentin> ok - i just feared that mail will be ignored
19:00 < mnemoc> rxr: lazyfs and zeroinstall are not downloadables, so i bounced those
19:01 < mnemoc> rxr: i just reply him
19:01 < valentin> the thing i am not sure about is lua
19:01 < rxr> valentin: mnemoc and jsaw already took a look on lua before ...
19:02 < rxr> I would like to take a look into lua and epbryo (enlightenment tiny VM) for fun and review if it would be nice as config language ...
19:02 < valentin> is it :) or :( ?
19:02 < valentin> ok
19:02 < mnemoc> it is a light scripting language, compilable to byte code, light vm
19:02 < rxr> mnemoc: you like lua, right?
19:02 < mnemoc> and includes function for everything we need
19:02 < rxr> mnemoc: now rpm fails at the end due to not finding Python.h ...
19:02 < mnemoc> if epbryo does is better, i have no problem with going for epbryo
19:03 < valentin> i would like to see that slow and buggy bash config stuff replacedanyway
19:03 < rxr> the authro said embryo is a bit upolished and so ...
19:03 < rxr> I just wanna have a look myself - to know it ...
19:03 < rxr> valentin: yes - ack - do you like to lead the config stuff?
19:03 < rxr> after our scanner stuff _is done_ how is that doing btw. ?
19:04 < rxr> ah - I have python 2.3 on my box - where rpm is configured to use 2.4 ...
19:04 < mnemoc> i also like that LUA is very mature
19:05 < rxr> I commit and hope it builds on T2 HEDA
19:05 < rxr> HEAD even
19:05 < mnemoc> commit and i run a new build
19:05 < CIA-9> rene * r7817 /trunk/package/base/rpm/rpm.conf: * fixed rpm (on x86) by injecting -DPIC
19:05 < mnemoc> 7816
19:05 < mnemoc> ok
19:05 < valentin> rxr: if i find the language is usable, no problem.
19:05 < valentin> in general i like that MVC desing
19:05 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg ref -newdelete
19:06 < valentin> that will be good for graphical interface integration
19:06 < rxr> valentin: yes - ack - for the desktop target and to attract more people we need good looking GUI configuration - as colorful as OSX ...
19:07 < valentin> though i think minto is right about we need more gadged targets
19:07 < mnemoc> misc/target is a great step
19:08 < mnemoc> and arch/boot
19:09 < rxr> maybe we should start writing all the small "this and that flash or CD or floppy" special distribution on freshmeat that there is a cool SDK T2 that could help them ... ,-)
19:09 < rxr> mnemoc: ack - architecture/boot is very much needed ...
19:09 < mnemoc> [Powered by T2]
19:09 < rxr> I just saw yet another flash distro thing on freshmeat today ...
19:10 < mnemoc> "why do you want to try yet another distro if you can easily create and redistribute your own?"
19:12 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you think, in 2 weeks all packages build ? *g*
19:12 < mnemoc> .oO
19:13 < mnemoc> new build started
19:13 < mnemoc> "new"
19:14 < rxr> new as in Cleanup -full ?
19:14 < valentin> rxr: where do i get a list of all possible multiple-choice option values for Scan Mode / Scan Source from your backend ?
19:15 < mnemoc> rxr: "new" as in "newdelete"
19:15 < rxr> valentin: at runtime or now ?
19:15 < rxr> statically manually ... ?
19:16 < mnemoc> do you know what replaces ESA PSS-05-0? (software engineering standard=
19:16 < mnemoc> )
19:16 < mnemoc> replaced
19:16 < rxr> no ...
19:16 < mnemoc> :\
19:16 < rxr> grep add_source avision.c
19:16 < rxr> grep add_color avision.c
19:17 < valentin> thx rxr
19:19 < valentin> so i can even autogenerate a stub file for those with a tiny script :)
19:20 < rxr> valentin: descew: detect the angle - setup the 3x3 transform matrix and throw it into QuickTime ,-)
19:20 < rxr> and we are done ...
19:22 < valentin> rxr: why 3x3 ?
19:22 < valentin> ok, you can do translation, too
19:22 < valentin> what about edge detection ?
19:23 < rxr> was just joking as I just scrolled thru the SetMatrix stuff ... ,-)
19:23 < rxr> this stuff is the most properitary code I ever wrote ...
19:23 < rxr> glueing toghether whatever osx offers in the area just working ... ,-)
19:24 < rxr> I guess the way most commercial /crap/ is pasted together ...
19:28 < rxr> Note that the usual QuickDraw conventions for bit depths apply:
19:28 < rxr> 24 means "Millions of Colors"
19:28 < rxr> 32 means "Millions+", meaning millions of colors plus an alpha channel
19:28 < rxr> 40 means 8-bit grayscale.
19:28 < rxr> 40 ?!?!?
19:28 < rxr> have I missed s.th. ..
19:29 < rxr> I guess I try that out immediately ...
19:30 < mnemoc> hehe
19:30 < rxr> mnemoc: your email reads ab bit unfriendly ...
19:32 < valentin> rxr: i still have some problem with the projb linking
19:32 < rxr> hm
19:33 < mnemoc> rxr: yes? :(
19:33 < valentin> you remember i made that one function an inline in the header because it casued an undef reference ?
19:35 < rxr> I read the commit message - but did not took a look
19:35 < rxr> mnemoc: I would use less imperative with questions inestead - like:
19:36 < rxr> s/\(.*fix and send again.\)/Could you \1//
19:37 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
19:37 < rxr> with ? as termination
19:37 < rxr> hi Minto
19:37 < mnemoc> rxr: ok :)
19:37 < mnemoc> i talk to him last night
19:37 < rxr> yep - /me too ,-)
19:37 < mnemoc> i hope he don't take that imperative :)
19:38 < rxr> == 03/27/05 19:12:11 =[9]=> Finished building package linux26.
19:39 < rxr> hm - AFAICS a depth of 40 does not yield 8bit gray ..
19:39 < valentin> whadda think your workin for ? do i have to remind you poor being about what great honor it is to work for T2 ? go ahead and fix !!! quick !!
19:40 < rxr> s/for ?/for? This is neither Microsoft nor Apple!/ ?
19:42 < Minto> hi all
19:42 < valentin> at least we pay with more karma than M$
19:42 < valentin> hi Minto
19:44 < Minto> How much karma do you pay then? ;-)
19:45 < valentin> depends :)
19:45 < Minto> on what?
19:46 < valentin> when you work for M$ then you get much anti-karma by all those annoyed users out here
19:46 < Minto> How much do I get for adding packages no one uses?
19:46 < valentin> if you do a good job in T2 then there will be positive emotion
19:46 < valentin> Minto: we give you 1 karma point for raising the commit graph level
19:47 < valentin> and 1 more bonus if the packages compile in a ref build
19:47 < rxr> and 2 more for working on java packages ,-)
19:48 < Minto> Cool. Is there a karma counter somewhere?
19:48 < valentin> rxr: is there a way to define the linking order in xcode ?
19:48 < valentin> Minto: you'll know once you are reborn ,)
19:49 < Minto> I hope it take a long time before I find out.
19:49 < rxr> valentin: no idea ... - never had problems ...
19:50 < Minto> I will work on some more java stuff then to earn the additional bonus karma points.
19:50 < valentin> damn, i'll move that code into the source file where i need it before wasting more time with that tool
19:54 < valentin> rxr: "Einzelblatt Einzug Duplex" is such a long caption
19:54 < valentin> should i leave it as ADF duplex ?
19:54 < valentin> or doppelseitig ?
19:55 < rxr> ADF Duplex ...
19:56 < valentin> ok
19:56 < valentin> Line Art == ?
19:56 < rxr> schwarz weiss
19:57 < valentin> ok
19:58 < rxr> the other is Gerastert oder so ...
19:58 < valentin> avision i18n team can tweak all the strings if they like (even the english ones=
19:58 < valentin> yes
19:58 < rxr> also known as Halbton ...
19:58 < valentin> huh ?
19:58 < rxr> Avision manual and general Layouter dictionary
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20:05 < valentin> rxr: the backend shows adf rear and duplex for my scanner
20:13 < rxr> yes, and ?
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20:13 < rxr> oh - you mean adf rear should not be there - is ...
20:13 < rxr> ic even ...
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20:45 < rxr> guess I schedule the evening dinner for now ...
20:45 < rxr> I think I gathered the OS X APIs to write the image formats I need together ...
20:47 < rxr> valentin: can you paste the inquiry log of your scanner into the query ?
20:47 < rxr> seems like your scanner might indeed indicate to support duplex - or I have a typo in some bit extraction ...
20:48 < valentin> rxr: irc that was not always like this
20:49 < valentin> what SANE_DEBUG level ?
20:49 < rxr> I changed the duplex detection code ...
20:49 < rxr> 1 or 3 should be sufficient - but just use 7 to be sure ,-) *g*
20:49 < rxr> I changed the duplex code in order to support the new A3 sized 8xxx i think it was 8350 or so ...
20:51 * rxr collecting some food to consume it when the commercial in between of james bond ends *g*
20:56 < keinek__> now i am in stage 3 :)
20:57 < valentin> rxr: where are the iinquiry results ?
20:59 < rxr> the stuff of the attach function ...
20:59 < rxr> where the model asic and so on are printed out ...
20:59 < rxr> at the top+
21:00 < valentin> i paste you in private query
21:00 < CIA-9> miguelb * r7818 /trunk/package/sparc/silo/silo.desc: * updated silo (1.4.8 -> 1.4.9)
21:02 -!- keinek__ is now known as keinek
21:06 < keinek> a beautiful day ... in this free world :)
21:10 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.55] has joined #t2
21:10 < keinek> welcome back mnemoc_
21:17 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.42] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)]
21:18 < Minto> Keinek: You must have scared mnemoc. :-D
21:18 < keinek> sure
21:18 < keinek> to many questions
21:18 < keinek> :)
21:19 < Minto> Hope he gets over it soon.
21:19 < keinek> me too
21:24 < keinek> are one way to see in another terminal how compile the targes?
21:33 < rxr> keinek: ?
21:59 < keinek> yes
21:59 < keinek> is possible see how compile the sources?
22:00 < keinek> in one terminal see the stages like now
22:00 < keinek> and in other terminal see how compile
22:00 < keinek> something like .log
22:00 < keinek> but in live action :)
22:01 < valentin> keinek: tail -f ?
22:01 < keinek> Mmmm i dont know
22:02 < keinek> the Build-Target script only show the stages
22:02 < keinek> one by one
22:02 < keinek> but in another screen i like to see how works
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22:02 < keinek> just like when i compile by hand something
22:04 < rxr> it seems I found accidently the way to get predefined color tables ...
22:11 < rxr> cool! - wee!
22:32 < valentin> keinek: tail -f /build/..../var/adm/logs/*.log
22:32 < valentin> then you see the make output
22:33 -!- madtux [~mike@cable200-116-192-47.epm.net.co] has joined #t2
22:33 < madtux> hi
22:33 < rxr> keinek: when you enable the "Output build output to terminal" (or so) you see the make output on the terminal ...
22:33 < rxr> hi madtux
22:34 < madtux> good day ren
22:34 < valentin> btw: i would vote to remove the -expert stuff from the build dir id
22:34 < valentin> i see no use in that - the cfg id is enough
22:34 < valentin> or is there any reason ?
22:35 < valentin> moin madtux
22:35 < madtux> hi valentin
22:35 < rxr> valentin: yes - remove it ...
22:35 < madtux> che boludo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:35 < keinek> thanks rxr
22:35 < rxr> valentin: remove the "disable the build of pacakges marked as broken"
22:36 < rxr> we do not have that "mark" in the .cache files anymore ...
22:36 < keinek> madtux, hi pelotudo.
22:36 < keinek> :)
22:36 < madtux> como vais?
22:36 < valentin> rxr: ok
22:36 < keinek> rxr but is posible the two modes in two screen terminal?
22:36 < keinek> in F1 the normal
22:37 < keinek> in F2 the output build
22:37 < rxr> keinek: not as it is right now ...
22:38 < keinek> but it is like i said...
22:38 < keinek> will be so much pretty :)
22:38 < madtux> keinek, looking forward to become a t2 coder huh?
22:39 < keinek> yes
22:39 < madtux> thats GREAT
22:39 < keinek> :)
22:39 < keinek> i have one t2 for k6-3 now running.
22:39 < keinek> and yesterday i was create my first template
22:39 < keinek> 190 packages all i need.
22:40 < madtux> .oO( lleve sus condenos... small, medium, grandes y t2
22:40 < keinek> and now is compile for athlon xp
22:40 < madtux> condones*
22:40 < keinek> :)
22:40 < keinek> now is in stage 5
22:40 < madtux> T2 - Patrocinador oficial de Red-Handed
22:40 < keinek> that start in the morning.
22:40 < madtux> NICE!!
22:41 < keinek> do you remember the red-handed ? ;)
22:41 < madtux> i think about red-handed all the time... and now that i am very recovered i plan to materialice the things i had in mind for it
22:44 < keinek> ok lets talk about
22:44 < keinek> but in private mode
22:44 < keinek> guys dont worry
22:44 < keinek> i am not gay
22:44 < keinek> :D
22:44 < _Ragnar_> aww too bad
22:44 < _Ragnar_> :D
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22:52 < rxr> valentin: how long will you code tonight? and when do we meet tomorrow ?
23:06 < rxr> /Users/rene/develop/exact-scan/AppController.M:328: error: stray '\302' in program
23:06 < rxr> /Users/rene/develop/exact-scan/AppController.M:328: error: stray '\240' in program
23:06 < rxr> may I vote that those Apple people lear to program a _useable_ editor component ?!?!?!
23:26 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.201.183.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
23:26 < sepp> hi
23:28 < sepp> anyone has an idea what "error while loading shared libraries: /opt/qt33/lib/libqt-mt.so.3: unexpected reloc type 0x41" means
23:29 < sepp> i installed the new t2 - if i run designer i get this error
23:31 < rxr> sepp on what platform ?
23:32 < sepp> x86
23:32 < rxr> hm - that is bad
23:32 < rxr> usually s.th. like that happes on e.g. x86-64 or powerpc when the jump is encoded in a wrong relocation type ...
23:32 < rxr> seldom (if at all) saw that on x86 ...
23:32 < rxr> what kind of build is it ?
23:33 < sepp> you mean optimizations?
23:33 < rxr> yes - package sset (target pkg selection template) and optimization
23:34 < sepp> optimization - athlon-xp
23:34 < sepp> pkg selection - i selected 290 packages
23:34 < sepp> no predifnied thing
23:34 < rxr> hm - are there any details where the unexpected relocation happens ?
23:34 < sepp> but i con run app that need qt
23:35 < sepp> can*
23:35 < rxr> you can run the linker with debuging output to narrow it down ...
23:35 < sepp> one moment
23:36 < keinek> rxr you have a phone line number
23:36 < keinek> that i can test with a program ?
23:36 < keinek> just for say hello if work.
23:36 < rxr> keinek: what do you want to do ?
23:37 < keinek> call from a program that i discover yesteday
23:37 < keinek> now i can call in all argentina
23:37 < keinek> from internet free
23:37 < keinek> www.sipphone.com
23:37 < keinek> :)
23:37 < keinek> but i dont know if work in another country
23:38 < rxr> you know that I'M not in argentina - but in Germany ?
23:38 < keinek> yes
23:38 < rxr> ah - ic ...
23:38 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/contact.html
23:38 < keinek> great!
23:38 < rxr> choose office ... ,-)
23:39 < keinek> you are now there?
23:39 < rxr> yep ...
23:39 < keinek> i will try
23:40 < sepp> rxr: its an strange local problem, now every qt app reports this
23:40 < sepp> some minutes ago konqueror worked
23:44 < keinek> weeeeeeeeeeeeee!
23:44 < keinek> rxr: :D
23:44 < rxr> sepp: hm ...
23:44 < rxr> sepp: maybe you run s.th. like prelink that mangles .so files ?
23:44 < keinek> i talk with rene by phone :)
23:44 < rxr> keinek: *g* - nice free phone you have over there ,-)!
23:45 < sepp> rxr: no
23:45 < keinek> yeah!
23:45 < keinek> :)
23:45 < keinek> your english is excelent.
23:45 < keinek> you can understand me?
23:45 < rxr> sepp: there is some var to get debugging out of ld-linux.so
23:46 < rxr> keinek: yes, yours is also mostly find - I think you noticed the parts where I had a problem to understand what you ment ... *g*
23:46 < rxr> s/find/fine/ ,-)
23:46 < valentin> keinek: for free ?
23:46 < keinek> yes for free
23:47 < keinek> i said that the programa work fine talking to germany
23:47 < keinek> than in argentina
23:47 < keinek> i talk with a little lag
23:47 < keinek> but very well.
23:48 < keinek> I was must record this call :(
23:48 < keinek> ;)
23:48 < keinek> i would like speak better english
23:48 < sepp> rxr: ignore it i guess my nforce2 freaks out again
23:49 < _Ragnar_> O_O
23:49 < keinek> the program that i use are www.sipphone.net
23:49 < rxr> sepp: .oO - like memory corruptions?
23:49 < keinek> www.sipphone.com*
23:49 < keinek> programs like kphone must be work with that protocol
23:49 < sepp> rxr: yes and from time to time disk io problems
23:49 < _Ragnar_> skype has nice quality too
23:50 < valentin> _Ragnar_: but you cannot call into the telefon network for free
23:50 < rxr> sepp: get it back to the manufactor ...
23:51 < _Ragnar_> sipgate usually can't call for free, too
23:51 < _Ragnar_> at least here
23:52 < valentin> keinek: can you do two calls at the same time ?
23:52 < keinek> how said pascuas?
23:52 < keinek> 3
23:52 < valentin> then you could route my telefon trafic
23:52 < keinek> tree call
23:53 < sepp> bbl i will try to fix my mainboard with an hammer
23:53 < keinek> but thanks a god can do one :)
23:53 < keinek> ok... with germany work fine.
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23:53 < keinek> another country?
23:54 < valentin> mnemoc still here ?
23:55 < keinek> i found a game for do while t2 compile :)
23:55 < keinek> do free call
23:57 < valentin> keinek: but you only have 5 minutes/day ?
23:57 < keinek> i must found the way to use one program like this but in linux
23:58 < valentin> free
23:58 < keinek> yes only 5 minutes/day
23:58 < keinek> but i delete the reg o windows
23:58 < keinek> and take a subscrive again
23:58 < keinek> and ... i have 5 minutos more
23:58 * _Ragnar_ needs a voip provider that allows me to transfer my old POTS to voip
23:59 < valentin> hehe
23:59 < valentin> keinek: don't you have to give your credid card number first ??
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