--- Log opened Sun Mar 20 00:00:27 2005
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00:13 < mnemoc> hi ojh 
00:31 < CIA-9> amery * r7598 /trunk/misc/archive/AuditBuild.sh: * improved AuditBuild.sh to show not enabled packages as NOQUEUED instead of PENDING
02:05 < jsaw> gone...n8
02:57 < CIA-9> amery * r7599 /trunk/package/games/scummvm/ (scummvm-gcc-3.4.fix-try2.patch scummvm.desc): * updated scummvm (0.6.0 -> 0.7.0)
02:59 < CIA-9> amery * r7600 /trunk/package/network/smbc/smbc.desc: * updated smbc (1.1.2 -> 1.2.0)
03:04 < ojh> I have been brainstorming the configuration system. What I have in mind is a 3 tired system with a collection of objects that deal with the details of configuring the OS, a core that implements the logic of the system and a generalized form interface that can provide a front end GUI in console, X or Web interfaces.
03:04 < ojh> The high level expressive data modeling features in LUA should accommodate what I have in mind well.
03:04 < ojh> I need to compose a formal proposal and submit it to the ML :)
03:06 < ojh> Up to this point I have several system manipulation objects (Lists actually - LUA has a somewhat unique take on OO programming)
03:09 < ojh> The most complex and interesting part I'm working on is a tool to manipulate the /etc/network/conf file in a more abstracted way for building a sophisticated GIU for firewall/router/network automagic.
03:10 < ojh> Any comments, questions?
03:17 < mnemoc> i would love to see that 'demo'
03:19 < mnemoc> ojh: you may try to join the channel 3-4 hours before what you do because 'european' developers are sleeping
03:20 < ojh> mnemoc: I'll post what I have to the ML along with a design doc. The code I have is, at this point rather boring, LUA implementations of the rather dull things that STONE does in bash.
03:21 < mnemoc> much better
03:21 < ojh> mnemoc: Wish I could, but I work on Saturday. But Tuesdays are my hacking day :)
03:22 < mnemoc> i work even on sunday :)
03:23 < ojh> Is the format of /etc/network/conf basically stable? I am concerned about programming against things that may change in T2.
03:23 < mnemoc> core architect (rxr) has been away due to some exams he has this week, so after tuesday i guess we will be more alive
03:23 < mnemoc> /etc/network/config
03:24 < ojh> mnemoc: The main ROCK-Net configuration file.
03:24 < mnemoc> yes, the format is just that. simple to parse and designed with bash var scoping in mind
03:24 < mnemoc> yes
03:26 < ojh> mnemoc: OK. Otherwise what the scripts are touching seem to be rather generic Linux configuration files and commands.
03:26 < mnemoc> that's the idea
03:29 < ojh> Current modules functional or in development are key map setting, time zone and the start of the Network config tool. I started implementing real simple functions like setting the time zone to get the feel of doing these kind of tasks in LUA, seems like a good fit.
03:31 < mnemoc> do you have a repository for that?
03:32 < ojh> Oh, and I have found #lua to be a useful channel for help.
03:32 < ojh> mnemoc: Not yet.
03:33 < mnemoc> ojh: you may ask rene for access to svn.exactcode.de for your project
03:33 < mnemoc> so we can see it, try it and get involved
03:35 < ojh> Cool. I'll ask after I submit the proposal on the ML.
03:39 < ojh> The interesting part will be the user interface code. The logic part of the program will be expected to 'package' a description of the UI described as nested LUA lists. The UI component then will use the description of what the UI needs to do to build the interface in console, $X_TOOLKIT_OF_THE_WEEK or even a Web form implementation (like a highly integrated WebMin)
03:43 < ojh> Does T2 have an official print spooler technology? Will CUPS be assumed to be the print system?
03:45 < mnemoc> i think so
03:45 < ojh> Of course the config system will be fully plugin based. Adding config modules for what ever is needed is what it will be there for.
03:47 < ojh> The goal for this is something like ROCK and Linuxconf combined with an optional WebMin like interface. :)
03:50 < ojh> Is AbiWord an acceptable format for project documents? Or do you expect something like LyX?
03:50 < mnemoc> i don't know if i like webmin, but it's just another way to show the already available modules
03:51 < mnemoc> t2-handbook is latex, but we have a drupal now (www2.t2-project.org) where you can write too
03:51 < ojh> mnemoc: Exactly. Webmin is not well integrated into the rest of the configuration tools.
04:27 < mnemoc> jsaw: http://www.fyma.ucl.ac.be/wiki/~piroux/OOo+macro
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05:03 < Postal> Hey all
05:05 < Postal> mnemoc, rxr you all around?
05:05 < CIA-9> amery * r7602 /trunk/package/base/hal/hal.desc: * updated hal (0.4.7 -> 0.5.0)
05:12 < mnemoc> yes, but short
05:15 < Postal> como estas?
05:16 < mnemoc> bien, y tu?
05:17 < Postal> a si a si... un poco cansado
05:18 < mnemoc> yo tambien, creo que me ire a dormir
05:24 < Postal> um im not sure exactly sure what you said
05:24 < mnemoc> me too, i guess i'll go to sleep
05:24 < Postal> did my sentece make any sense?
05:25 < mnemoc> i think i'll go to sleep   is a bit more literal
05:25 < mnemoc> "a si a si" is not used
05:25 < Postal> ah... a si a si  is not used...
05:25 < Postal> for like saysing so so...
05:25 < mnemoc> i know :)
05:26 < Postal> what would you say instead?
05:26 < mnemoc> if you want peer to ask 'why' you said "más o menos"
05:26 < mnemoc> more or less
05:27 < mnemoc> if not you say something showing the life continues
05:27 < Postal> but what if i wanted to say " Im doing alright..."
05:27 < Postal> like not good, or bad.. just in the middle
05:28 < mnemoc> "aqui estamos" (plural ;-)
05:29 < Postal> so aqui estamos = Im doing alright
05:29 < mnemoc> aqui estamos means 'here i am'
05:29 < mnemoc> nothing wrong, nothing good. just here
05:29 < Postal> ah i see.. the saying are very diffrent lol
05:29 < mnemoc> :D
05:30 < mnemoc> yeah, more pesimist
05:30 < Postal> You must be confused all the time
05:30 < mnemoc> here you tend to answer, 'fine' to not been asked back
05:31 < Postal> sometimes..
05:31 < mnemoc> i mean 'bien'
05:31 < Postal> ah..
05:32 < mnemoc> como estas? - bien, y tu?
05:32 < mnemoc> bien también.
05:32 < mnemoc> greeting finished
05:32 < Postal> bien tambien = ?
05:32 < mnemoc> fine too
05:32 < Postal> ahh tambien = also, or too
05:32 < mnemoc> also
05:32 < mnemoc> :)
05:33 < mnemoc> bien tambien = i'm fine too, just like you
05:33 < Postal> ah
05:33 < Postal> what if i wanted to conjigate tener to the having form..?
05:34 < Postal> the imperfect tense
05:34 < Postal> teniendo?
05:34 < mnemoc> tell me something in english
05:34 < Postal> I am having a problem
05:34 < mnemoc> estoy teniendo un problema   is ok, but you say that in present. tengo un problem
05:35 < mnemoc> problama*
05:35 < mnemoc> problEma
05:35 < Postal> so i could use present even though... it is in english with the -ing ending...
05:36 < mnemoc> if it's emotional you say "estoy aproblemado"
05:36 < Postal> I hope you dont mind me asking you these questions..
05:36 < mnemoc> nah :)
05:36 < Postal> As you can tell i need help with spanish lol
05:36 < Postal> best to learn from a speaker than a classroom
05:37 < mnemoc> hehe
05:38 < Postal> Yo tengo un problema con mi harddrives...mi harddrives no trabaja.. por que no lo se...
05:39 < mnemoc> tengo un problema con mi /disco duro/.. mi /disco duro/ no funciona..
05:39 < mnemoc> what did you want to say on the third?
05:40 < Postal> i dont know why my hard drive does not work
05:40 < mnemoc> no se por qué mi disco duro no funciona
05:41 < mnemoc> http://www.elcastellano.org/
05:41 < Postal> ok i think i got it lol... yeah.. for some reason there seems to be problems with the partition tables..
05:41 < Postal> re- writing them dosent solve the problem...
05:41 < Postal> i think i need to zero the drives... but i dont know what to use in linux
05:42 < mnemoc> ok creo que entendi lol ... si... por alguna razón parece haber problemas con la tabla de particiones
05:42 < Postal> lol you dont need to translate that lol
05:42 < mnemoc> :p
05:43 < mnemoc> cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda3
05:43 < Postal> that will write zeros to the drive?
05:43 < mnemoc> or even cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda
05:43 < mnemoc> yep
05:43 < Postal> will this re-write the MBR also?
05:44 < mnemoc> cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda <--- this will start on MBR but clean the whole disk
05:44 < Postal> what if i need to clean the MBR?
05:44 < mnemoc> dd
05:44 < Postal> dd = ?
05:44 < mnemoc> dd if=/dev/zero :)
05:44 < mnemoc> and the size of MBR
05:45 < mnemoc> but i use fdisk :)
05:45 < Postal> how do i know the size of MBR?
05:45 < mnemoc> no ideaq
05:45 < Postal> lol
05:45 < Postal> yeah.. for some reason it seem to have become corrupted..
05:45 < Postal> what about a program like MaxBlast?
05:46 < mnemoc> fdisk /dev/hda --> 'o' --> 'w'
05:46 < mnemoc> i don't know it
05:47 < Postal> Its pretty powerful
05:50 < Postal> modprobe reports the following: PrefPort :A RlmtMode: Check Link State.. when i load the module for my network card... and then the card does not appear in /sbin/ifconig...
05:51 < mnemoc> ip l s
05:51 < Postal> ..?
05:51 < mnemoc> type that
05:51 < Postal> dont have that command
05:51 < mnemoc> :|
05:52 < mnemoc> any modern linux shall have iproute2
05:52 < Postal> Im not on my box.. im working on a live cd 
05:52 < Postal> repairing a fs..
05:53 < Postal> nvm fixed it
05:53 < Postal> i just unloaded and reloaded the module
05:54 < Postal> now it works
05:55 < mnemoc> :)
05:56 < Postal> ok now i cross my fingers lol
05:57 < mnemoc> and i go to bed
05:57 < mnemoc> cu tomorrow
05:57 < Postal> cu mnemoc
05:57 < Postal> asta manana
05:57 < mnemoc> hasta mañana
05:57 < Postal> lol
05:57 < mnemoc> :)
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06:30 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | @CeBIT Hall 6 H30-532
06:30 -!- Topic set by ao [] [Wed Mar 16 09:21:34 2005]
06:30 [Users #t2]
06:30 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw] [ Postal ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 
06:30 [ CIA-9   ] [ nzg ] [ praenti] [ rxr_] [ valentin ] 
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07:08 < rxr> re
07:19 < CIA-9> rene * r7603 /trunk/package/network/vsftpd/vsftpd.desc: * updated vsftpd (2.0.2 -> 2.0.3)
07:22 < rxr>  xfce 4.2.1.1 (xfce4)
07:30 < CIA-9> rene * r7604 /trunk/package/kde/ (6 files in 2 dirs): * renamed kooldock to kxdocker in order to transform the package
07:44 < Postal> rxr, u awake?
07:44 < rxr> yes
07:44 < Postal> i suppose its 7:40 am for you huh
07:44 < Postal> How you been, i havent seen you in ages
07:49 < Postal> rxr, what is with this new website www2.t2-project.org?
07:53 < rxr> mostly fine ..
07:53 < rxr> cebit stress and now need to learn for exams the next two days ...
07:54 < rxr> we need a CMS (content mamagement system) powered site - www2 is a test for that .........
07:54 < Postal> cebit=?
07:55 < Postal> im not familier with this content management site idea..
07:57 < rxr> CeBIT - worlds largest computer fair
07:57 < rxr> http://www.cebit.de
07:57 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/rene/photos/cebit-2005
07:58 < rxr> CMSs are for dynamic sites that can be updated dynamically from a group of editors
07:58 < Postal> AH ok
07:58 < Postal> who is the other person with you at the t2 booth
07:59 < rxr> there is valentin, susan (gnome maintainer and my girlfriend) and me ...
07:59 < rxr> I'm the short haired these days ...
07:59 < Postal> ah ok.. ic
07:59 < Postal> i wish i went to things like that lol.. i would be in heaven
08:00 < rxr> join the t2 team and do the t2 presentation over there in the US ,-)
08:00 < Postal> lol, I would lol... but i dont know enough about t2 lol
08:00 < CIA-9> rene * r7605 /trunk/package/kde/kxdocker/ (kxdocker.cache kxdocker.desc): * transformed kooldock into kxdocker (0.29)
08:00 < rxr> soon you will, no ?
08:01 < Postal> true..
08:01 < Postal> i am trying to learn as much as possible
08:01 < Postal> I am still trying to get a good install of t2 on my 64bit box though
08:04 < Postal> have there been many changes in the past week?
08:06 < rxr> we implanted the final t2 copyright ... - so nearly every file changed ...
08:07 < Postal> well.. i mean from a actual usability standpoint
08:09 < valentin> moin
08:10 < Postal> Any news on those live cd's btw
08:10 < Postal> moin valentin
08:10 < valentin> hi Postal 
08:11 < valentin> live cd rework is planed after the 2.1 final release
08:15 < Postal> Its just that this install would be so much cleaner and nicer if i could do it on a live cd.. but i am having trouble finding a good live cd
08:16 < Postal> for x86_64
08:18 < rxr> Postal: see our mailing list - in 1-2 months the desktop target will instal via a live-cd
08:19 < Postal> Well... if I am going to build both 32 and 64 bit libs... couldent i just use something like knnopix, build a 32 bit system.. then use that to cross compile the toolchain and kernel...?
08:21 < rxr> what do you like to use knoppix for ?
08:22 < Postal> well, i suppose that i will use the 64 bit cd i jsut found.. it just seems easier to use a live cd i suppose
08:26 < Postal> I HATE SLOW MIRRORS... 33.8 kB a sec is just not very fast...
08:41 < Postal> rxr, what is compiled in a minimal build?
08:47 < valentin> rxr: do you have our key ?
08:47 < valentin> i have to pack my ibook in two minutes
09:01 < valentin> cu
09:01 < Postal> cu valentin
09:05 < rxr> valentin: oehm - I think so
09:09 < Postal> rxr, if my computer is connected to a network... is there a way i can acess shared files on my other coputers from my desktop?
09:19 < rxr> only if you run some kind of service ... - like ftp http or samba server
09:20 < rxr> or if you run ssh - via ssh or scp ...
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09:22 < Postal_> ghost Postal
09:23 < Postal_> grr.. my nick is still here..
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09:28 < Postal1> Ok, I really wish my nick would leave so i can have it back
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09:31 < Postal2> hmm
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10:30 < CIA-9> rene * r7607 /trunk/package/base/linux24/lx_config.sh: 
10:30 < CIA-9> * fixed new automated patch extraction for linux24 and all the
10:30 < CIA-9>  inherited packages
10:32 < CIA-9> rene * r7608 /trunk/package/base/linux26/ (arch-ppc-raid6-altivec.patch linux26.desc): * updated linux26 (2.6.11 -> 2.6.11.5)
11:12 < CIA-9> mika * r7609 /trunk/package/network/dhcpcd/dhcpcd.conf: 
11:12 < CIA-9> * fix dhcpcd build system detection by
11:12 < CIA-9> updating config.sub(and guess)
11:21 < CIA-9> mika * r7610 /trunk/package/security/libassuan/libassuan.conf: 
11:21 < CIA-9> *add -fPIC to libassuan to resolv
11:21 < CIA-9> link errors on packages that depend on libassuan
11:37 < rxr> mipe: I have an idea ...
11:37 < rxr> why not doing the config.{sub,guess} update in arch/x86-64/parse-config automatically ... ?
11:41 < mipe> rxr:you mean for every package? before its built
11:41 < rxr> yes
11:41 < rxr> I just type the code to propose ...
11:42 < mipe> rxr:well that sounds quite good actually,since there wont be no harm(?) even if it works without updating
11:42 < rxr> yep
11:43  * mipe is away(packing)
11:43 < rxr> oehm
11:43 < rxr> can you check my code - in some minute ?
11:43 < mipe> yep
11:43 < rxr> good ;-)
11:47 < rxr> mipe: committed ...
11:47 < rxr> feel free to find out what it does on a defect package with explicit work around removed ...
11:48 < CIA-9> rene * r7611 /trunk/architecture/x86-64/parse-config: 
11:48 < CIA-9> * added code to x86-64/parse-config to automatically update old
11:48 < CIA-9>  config.{guess,sub} files - UNTESTED
11:55 < mipe> hmm,atleast dhcpcd builded when i removed the work around from conf file
12:00 < mipe> so some error logs are now stored at http://212.66.194.40/t2-logs/
12:00  * mipe is away
12:08 < rxr> so - the global fix should work, right ?
12:08 < rxr> I remove the singles ones then ...
12:21 < CIA-9> rene * r7612 /trunk/package/ (10 files in 10 dirs): 
12:21 < CIA-9> * removed exlicit x86-64 config.{sub,guess} updates obsoleted by the
12:21 < CIA-9>  global detection (some remain since they update sub files we do not
12:21 < CIA-9>  set search for ...)
12:24 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/03/19/2045221.shtml
14:21 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2-logs/
14:22 < mipe> if someone doesnt have anything to do, there are few error logs so far
14:22 < mipe> 1470 builds total, 410 completed fine, 13 with errors
14:31 < rxr> can you check if all the last revision modified packages still build for x86-64b ?
14:31 < rxr>  ,-)
14:32 < mipe> yep
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14:53 < mnemoc> "I'm still without hardware to do ROCK development (I just have my laptop -
14:53 < mnemoc> the workstation I'm doing builds, etc. on is still b0rken)."
14:53 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
14:53 < mnemoc> the only commiter can't commit :|
14:54 < mnemoc> that was the answer given to a user due to a problem with x86-64
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14:55 < keinek> hi
14:55 < keinek> everybody
14:55 < keinek> 10:56 am in argentina
14:56 < mnemoc> hi keinek
14:56 < keinek> hi mnemoc 
14:56 < mnemoc> hi rxr :)
14:56 < mnemoc> rxr: did valentin talk to you about architecture/$arch/download.txt ?
15:01 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe point Bernd Petrovitsch to T2 ?
15:02 < mnemoc> we have troubles building bootdisk for amd64 too :p
15:02 < rxr> what do you need arch/$arch/download.txt for ...
15:03 < mnemoc> to download sh specific patches
15:03 < rxr> mnemoc: but the rest builds fine - and the bootdisk is an easy to fix some header missing problem ...
15:03 < rxr> not that all b0rked problem of rock ...
15:03 < mnemoc> will you reply him or i?
15:04 < rxr> no
15:04 < mnemoc> no what?
15:04 < rxr> will I reply ...
15:05 < rxr> will you ?
15:05 < mnemoc> your mails are more understandable than mine :)
15:05 < mnemoc> no what?
15:06 < rxr> 15:03 < mnemoc> will you reply him or i?
15:06 < rxr> I should not ...
15:06 < rxr> if you would drop a tiny note there ...
15:06 < mnemoc> ok
15:06 < mnemoc> i reply
15:07 < rxr> best off list, no ?
15:07 < rxr> to not cause flame wars ...
15:08 < mnemoc> sure
15:08 < mnemoc> off list
15:18 < mnemoc> sent
15:19 < mnemoc> CCed to us
15:22 < mipe> oh hi mnemoc
15:22 < mnemoc> hi mipe
15:23 < mipe> its damn difficult to get a summber job that involvs linux somehow
15:24 < mipe> just browsing some companies, i think i'm sending applications too late for summer job
15:25 < mnemoc> :(
15:29 < mnemoc> rxr: svn mv lx_config.sh linux-conf.in
15:31 < rxr> yes, please
15:32 < rxr> I or you ?
15:32 < mnemoc> i
15:33 < rxr> mnemoc: this is your day, isn't it?
15:33 < rxr> "And we absolutly don't depend on one person with a broken workstation to fix, update or improve the kit."
15:33 < rxr> *lol*
15:33 < rxr> nice mail ,-(
15:33 < rxr> ) even
15:33 < rxr> sorry
15:33 < rxr> doing more math than typing ...
15:33 < CIA-9> amery * r7613 /trunk/scripts/Config: * improved Config to abort when -cfg is used without argument
15:34 < mnemoc> :)
15:34 < mnemoc> keinek: fixed
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15:35 < c4y0> hi
15:35 < keinek> thanks
15:35 < rxr> mnemoc: I svn mv lx_config.sh, ok = 
15:35 < keinek> the solution is in the svn ?
15:35 < rxr> yep
15:35 < rxr> just svn up
15:36 < keinek> wauo!
15:36 < keinek> :D
15:36 < keinek> :P
15:36 < mnemoc> rxr: don't commit please, my change is larger
15:36 < rxr> ok
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15:42 < rxr> mnemoc: don't forget to substitute linux24benh and linux24psionw ...
15:43 < mnemoc> grep ignored those
15:43 < mnemoc> uhm
15:43 < rxr> ah - sure - they include linux24.conf ,-)
15:43 < rxr> forgive me ...
15:43 < mnemoc> :)
15:44 < CIA-9> amery * r7614 /trunk/package/base/ (8 files in 3 dirs): * renamed lx_config.sh to our new standard linux-conf.in
16:01 < keinek> YEAAH! my first t2 is instaling
16:01 < keinek> i hope have X
16:04 < mnemoc> Marijn: /go gnue
16:04 < mnemoc> err
16:04 < mnemoc> ignore that
16:28 < rxr> Kaffeine Player 0.6 
16:28 < rxr> Besides the usual improvements and bugfixes, full DVB (Digital Video Broadcasting) support was introduced, featuring timeshifting, an electronic program guide, instant recording, and much more.
16:28 < rxr> hm -^- let's see if that works ... 
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16:55 < mnemoc> scripts/kconfig/conf -s arch/i386/Kconfig
16:55 < mnemoc> ***
16:55 < mnemoc> *** You have not yet configured your kernel!
16:55 < mnemoc> wtf??!!
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16:57 < keinek> hi again
16:57 < keinek> the rockplug is not include in the minimal destop with X
16:57 < keinek> i was install with Emerge-Pkg
16:57 < mnemoc> oh
16:58 < mnemoc> yes
17:01 < keinek> another problem... i have video with de nv driver of nvidia
17:01 < keinek> but i need the real driver with 3d support
17:02 < mnemoc> nvidia package
17:02 < keinek> thanks mnemoc :P
17:06 < mnemoc> BEWARE: I BROKE linux* PACKAGES!!
17:06 < rxr> keinek: after Emerge nvidia - you have to rebuild your kernel (linux26 or so) to get the nvidia kernel module build ...
17:06 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
17:07 < mnemoc> rxr: don't update
17:07 < mnemoc> :\
17:08 < rxr> you svn mv ?
17:10 < mnemoc> yes
17:13 < CIA-9> amery * r7615 /trunk/package/base/ (5 files in 3 dirs): * fixed linux{24,26,-header} due to wrong sourcing
17:15 < keinek> thanks rxr
17:15 < keinek> how do that?
17:15 < rxr> just Emerge linux267
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17:15 < rxr> linux26 even
17:15 < keinek> ok
17:15 < keinek> thanks rxr
17:15 < keinek> rxr: i need help in kde
17:15 < keinek> i cant see any font
17:16 < mnemoc> keinek: did you installed using stone?
17:16 < keinek> yes
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17:16 < keinek> the languaje that have for defacult i think that CHINA
17:16 < mnemoc> keinek: just as a test, run stone again an call 'daily cron'
17:16 < keinek> i change that, but the font dont appear
17:17 < keinek> ok
17:17 < keinek> i do that
17:22 < rxr> keinek: you built some minimal ? Maybe it misses some fonts ?
17:23 < keinek> yes
17:23 < keinek> minimal desktop
17:23 < keinek> hoy package i must install for stay sure?
17:24 < rxr> l package/fonts/
17:24 < rxr> I suggest:
17:25 < rxr> bitstream-vera-fonts microsoft-web-core-fonts
17:25 < rxr> did a minimal desktop include KDE ?
17:25 < mnemoc> and gimp o_O
17:26 < keinek> mnemoc, when the cron daily finish
17:26 < keinek> my change of kde for other Windows take effect
17:26 < keinek> now i will back to kde and run daily cron again.
17:26 < keinek> if the font dont appear, i will install that rxr said
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17:32 < Postal> Hey all
17:34 < CIA-9> rene * r7616 /trunk/package/kde/kaffeine/ (. kaffeine.cache kaffeine.desc): * added kaffeine (0.6)
17:34 < Postal> anyone heard anything about FC3 locking up your whole system.. keyboard cdrom drives... everything?...
17:34 < rxr> hi Postal 
17:34 < Postal> i was compiling T2 on it last night.. and it froze everything,,,
17:34 < rxr> sorry - I'm not a fedora user ...
17:34 < Postal> hey rxr 
17:34 < Postal> rxr, what could cause such a low level freze?
17:35 < rxr> bad kernel
17:35 < rxr> no user space should ever be able to do that - if it happens either bad kernel or bad hardware ...
17:35 < keinek> rxr... i have the 2.6.11 kernel
17:35 < keinek> the package of nvidia is installed
17:35 < keinek> and now?
17:35 < rxr> could be anything on the kernel level ...
17:35 < rxr> try without X or so ...
17:35 < Postal> what else is on the kernel level?
17:36 < rxr> or - maybe too less cooling ?
17:36 < rxr> well - the whole kernel - disk / network, ... driver ...
17:36 < CIA-9> amery * r7617 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * changed linux24-psionw and linux24benh to not inject patches. that's autodetected these days.
17:36 < Postal> It ONLY happens with FC3... i have had the problem before...
17:36 < Postal> I wonder if I should report a bug
17:37 < mnemoc> Postal: aren't you using SATA?
17:37 < Postal> mnemoc, yes
17:37 < mnemoc> does initrd load the module?
17:38 < Postal> yes
17:38 < Postal> i assume so
17:38 < Postal> as it "just works"
17:38 < mnemoc> do you see output about your disc and partitions?
17:39 < Postal> im not sure specificly what you mean.. do you mean in dmesg?
17:39 < mnemoc> oh, your machine inits?
17:39 < Postal> mnemoc,  im not sure if I do or not.. is there a command that would let me check?.
17:40 < keinek> i need help for rebuild your kernel
17:40 < mnemoc> do you see that happy faces? :)
17:40 < keinek> my kernel
17:40 < rxr> Postal: yeah -  or the sata driver ...
17:40 < rxr> if it just happens with FC - well - report it there ,-)
17:40 < mnemoc> keinek: before emerging stuff copy /etc/ROCK-CONFIG to config/default/
17:42 < keinek> right
17:42 < keinek> mnemoc, i then?
17:42 < keinek> and then?
17:42 < keinek> the nvidia package is installed
17:42 < keinek> now i need rebuild the kernel
17:42 < keinek> how do that?
17:42 < keinek> the command of rxr dont work
17:42 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg linux26
17:42 < keinek> dont work
17:43 < mnemoc> svn up
17:43 < keinek> svn is working
17:44 < keinek> Mmmm that show the packages.
17:44 < mnemoc> that show the updates
17:45 < keinek> if i can compile the kernel by hand, i will do that.
17:48 < keinek> ok... i will update my trunk.
17:48 < keinek> i was*
17:48 < keinek> buts...
17:48 < mnemoc> don't build your kernel by hand
17:48 < mnemoc> that lead to inconsistencies, and you will loose nvidia support
17:48 < keinek> ok ok ok
17:48 < keinek> now  Emerge-Pkg linux26
17:48 < keinek> work
17:49 < mnemoc> of course, i fixed it 10 minutes ago :p
17:50 < keinek> why dont work before?
17:50 < keinek> a bug?
17:50 < mnemoc> i injected a bug 20 minutes ago
17:51 < keinek> if i want create a target with the selection of desktop minimal with X, but add some packages like... rockplug, mc, nvidia, and create a new personal target, is possible?
17:52 < mnemoc> overything is possible
17:52 < keinek> with the name "KEINEK's Crazy Target"
17:52 < keinek> :P
17:54 < keinek> right.... now... i need sound
17:54 < keinek> alsaconf??
17:54 < keinek> i need alsaconf
17:55 < keinek> i make that with emerge?
17:55 < mnemoc> you need alsa-*
17:55 < mnemoc> and rebuild your kernel
17:55 < mnemoc> as a suggestion, emerge ccache and change your config to use it
17:55 < mipe> uhm kernel broken,is it fixed?
17:55 < keinek> fu**!
17:56 < keinek> the kernel is rebuild for nvidia
17:56 < mnemoc> yes
17:56 < keinek> and after for alsa
17:56 < mnemoc> mipe: yes
17:56 < keinek> i should do alsa and nvida before!
17:56 < mnemoc> keinek: you should decide what you want before starting doing it
17:56 < keinek> ok...
17:56 < keinek> where is alsautils?
17:56 < keinek> or...
17:57 < rxr> alsa-tools or so ...
17:57 < mnemoc> alsa*
17:57 < mnemoc> echo package/*/alsa*
17:57 < keinek> Emerge-Pkg alsa* ?
17:57 < rxr> you do not need to rebuid your kernel for alsa - in 26 it is always included
17:57 < keinek> i thanks rxr
17:57 < mnemoc> :)
17:57 < keinek> i stay some much relax now.
17:57 < keinek> only i need is emerge alsa-tools?
17:58 < keinek> but alsa-tools not found
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17:58 < keinek> i should download that from alsa-project?
17:59 < keinek> or... your have any magical scripts that do that for me?
17:59 < mnemoc> magical
17:59 < keinek> right
17:59 < keinek> and the magical scripts is ...?
18:00 < mnemoc> Emerge-Pkg
18:00 < keinek> sorry for my.
18:00 < keinek> only one install and i will learn everything
18:00 < keinek> for other future installation.
18:00 < keinek> Emger-Pkg alsautils
18:00 < keinek> dont work
18:01 < keinek> alsa-tools
18:01 < keinek> yes!
18:01 < keinek> i got it!
18:02 < mnemoc> echo package/*/*part*    to know how the packages are named
18:03 < keinek> ok that works mnemoc!
18:04 < keinek> but the bad news... is that the alsa-utils dont compile for my
18:04 < keinek> FU**!!!
18:04 < keinek> :'(
18:04 < keinek> i was looking for the error log
18:05 < mnemoc> publish it
18:06 < keinek> Sufficiently new version of libasound not found
18:06 < mnemoc> emerge that too
18:06 < keinek> Mmmmm meaby is because i still compile the kernel right?
18:06 < mnemoc> no, but it's better to wait
18:07 < keinek> ok
18:07 < keinek> the error is another then i build libasound
18:07 < keinek> i build now, while the kernel finish compile
18:09 < keinek> libasound is the alsa-lib?
18:10 < mnemoc> yes
18:10 < keinek> ok
18:13 < rxr> I need to add way cheaper dependency tracking to Emerge-Pkg and make it the default ...
18:14 < rxr> (only n=1 depth - non-recursive ...)
18:14 < rxr> enough for normal deps ...
18:15 < keinek> mnemoc, when i copy /etc/ROCK-CONFIG to config/default/ the preselect in the guest system is copy to the new trunk right?
18:15 < mnemoc> rxr: i think we need a binary helper to output that after solving the graph
18:15 < rxr> you need to copy it to .../config 
18:15 < keinek> i before that i was create a default with the same optimizacion.
18:15 < keinek> ¿is the same?
18:16 < keinek> but now i copy that
18:16 < mnemoc> if you created a perfect copy, it's the same :)
18:16 < keinek> every stuff that i emerge will have the optimizacion?
18:16 < keinek> right thanks
18:21 < keinek> why after error alsa-utils dont compile?
18:21 < keinek> i need delete some file?
18:24 < keinek> ok... 
18:24 < keinek> is running
18:24 < keinek> :P
18:32 < keinek> ok... i have sound now :P
18:33 < _Ragnar_> good :)
18:34 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_ 
18:34 < CIA-9> rene * r7618 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * stricter kde selection for the desktop target and added valgrind
18:35 < mnemoc> rxr: can you add rockplug to minimal templates?
18:37 < rxr> sure
18:38 < keinek> thanks rxr
18:38 < keinek> rockplug is my friend
18:38 < keinek> a good friend
18:38 < CIA-9> rene * r7619 /trunk/misc/pkgsel/ (minimal-desktop.in minimal-xorg.in minimal.in): 
18:38 < CIA-9> * added rockplug to the minimal* pkgsel templates and removed
18:38 < CIA-9>  tuxcursor as well as cheapskatefonts from the minimal-desktop
18:39 < keinek> right... when one package no compile, what file i must delete for retry?
18:39 < _Ragnar_> <buildroot>/var/adm/logs/[59]-<package>.err
18:40 < keinek> ok thanks
18:40 < rxr> keinek: on Emerge?
18:40 < _Ragnar_> wait, just select 'retry building failed packages'
18:40 < rxr> add -force to the Emerge command ...
18:41 < _Ragnar_> ^_^
18:42 < keinek> yes in Emerge
18:43 < keinek> ok thanks rxr and _Ragnar_ 
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19:13 < mipe> oh forgot to tell you rxr that parse-config (config.{sub,guess) works as expected
19:13 < rxr> when I did some math excersices I might improve to Emerge to do cheap deps always ...
19:13 < rxr> but off for now - ...
19:14 < rxr> mipe: nice to hear ,-)
19:14 < mipe> me off too,last page(physics) to write
19:16 < mnemoc> rxr: why not a C++ tiny helper?
19:17 < mnemoc> for x in `pkgdepdigger $pkg $depth`; do $0 -cfg $confgi -nodep $x; done
19:20 < rxr> not yet - I think we should not mix that for 2.1 ...
19:20 < mnemoc> ok
19:20 < mnemoc> tiny helper != replace tools
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19:33 < rxr> DEC Alpha 433 Mhz 64 Bit, 192 MB RAM, 2 MB CPU Cache     EUR 104,00
19:46 < rxr> ok - got away with that on ebay ...
19:46 < rxr> and no - I did not bit for that ... ,-)
19:46 < rxr> just wanted to know how much I would need to pay to get an alpha to do test builds on ,-)
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20:03 < mnemoc> :)
20:12 < keinek> hey guys!
20:13 < keinek> i have one problem
20:13 < keinek> with the .run installers
20:13 < keinek> all games fails
20:13 < keinek> the mesage is
20:13 < keinek> somethings like
20:13 < keinek> chksum fail bla bla bla
20:14 < mnemoc> re
20:14 < keinek> do you have erros with the .run?
20:14 < mnemoc> what mirror are you using?
20:15 < keinek> you dont understand
20:15 < keinek> the error is with the .run files of the games
20:15 < keinek> quake
20:15 < keinek> 3
20:15 < mnemoc> :)
20:16 < keinek> unreal tournament
20:16 < mnemoc> i played doom2, nothing newer :p
20:16 < keinek> Mmmmm meaby is needed the loky installer?
20:16 < keinek> :P
20:16 < mnemoc> i have no idea what you need
20:16 < mnemoc> i haven't played in years
20:17 < keinek> ok... i will fix that
20:17 < keinek> and then i told you guys
20:39 < CIA-9> amery * r7620 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfce4-panel/xfce4-panel.desc: * updated xfce4-panel (4.2.1 -> 4.2.1.1)
20:40 < CIA-9> amery * r7621 /trunk/package/network/dbus/ (dbus.desc hotfix.patch): * updated dbus (0.23.2 -> 0.31)
20:42 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/T2/regressions.html
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20:48 < rxr> new system build in 1-ncurses ...
20:48  * rxr back to math ...
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20:48 < mnemoc> rxr: i guess i'll add links to svn changes on that page
21:06 < rxr> mnemoc: what kind of links ?
21:08 < mnemoc> href links
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21:20 < rxr> to svn diffs ?
21:20 < rxr> or what ?
21:21 < mnemoc> svn st + svn diffs
21:25 < rxr> fresh sys build in stage 2-gcc ...
21:26 < rxr> that mean linux* built ...
21:26 < mnemoc> what arch?
21:27 < rxr> x86
21:27 < rxr> as usual - I only do ref or test bulids on the athlon - the rest is too slow ...
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21:28 < keinek> hi again
21:28 < keinek> now from Irssi and t2
21:28 < keinek> :)
21:29 < mnemoc> rxr: the stats i showed you are 100% up2date
21:30 < rxr> so I can save our environment and shutdown the athlon ?
21:30 < keinek> mnemoc: i make a list with the package that i need add in the next build
21:31 < mnemoc> i you want to help me to fix mine, yeah :)
21:31 < mnemoc> if*
21:31 < keinek> is a good idea dont you?
21:31 < mnemoc> keinek: add them to your pkgsel
21:31 < keinek> no
21:31 < keinek> i want my own target
21:31 < keinek> i dont like the rules.
21:32 < mnemoc> what rules?
21:35 < rxr> so - athlon going down ..
21:35 < rxr> and /me starting to crawl into bed ...
21:35 < rxr> damn exams ...
21:35 < mnemoc> :(
21:36 < rxr> n8 all
21:37 < keinek> mnemoc: the rules for add o remove packages
21:38 < keinek> if i make my own target, i every new t2 trunk i will compile more easy
21:38 < keinek> in every*
21:40 < mnemoc> sure, creating targets is the goal
21:41 < keinek> yes?
21:41 < keinek> really? 
21:42 < keinek> is the best way to have the best personal selection of packages
21:42 < keinek> and update easy
21:43 < keinek> what file have the list of package of every target?
21:43 < jsaw> re
21:53 < mnemoc> wb jsaw 
21:53 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
21:53 < mnemoc> how is the family?
21:54 < jsaw> fine (hopefully still, I'm in the lab since a couple of minutes)
21:57 < mnemoc> :)
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22:01 < Postal> rxr, has t2 moved to gcc 4.0 yet?
22:02 < mnemoc> no
22:03 < Postal> soon or no
22:03 < keinek> Mmmm the openoffice work?
22:04 < mnemoc> Postal: not soon
22:04 < mnemoc> keinek: not yet
22:05 < keinek> and... a old version?
22:09 < mnemoc> src680/ximian is our first try to get that cow built
22:17 < rxr> Postal: why are you so much for gcc 4.0 ?
22:17 < rxr> 4.0 is not yet ready ...
22:17 < rxr> you will not even be able to build 50% of the packages with it ...
22:17 < rxr> not talking about kernel miscompilation ...
22:20 < rxr> I'll benchmark 4.0 and write an article about it ... I can post details then ...
22:20 < rxr> bench and write next week, that is ...
22:21  * rxr finally sleeping
22:21 < rxr> oh - hi jsaw !
22:22 < Postal> uh, i officially am very annoyed by these FC peopel
22:22 < rxr> keinek: a target is more than a list of packages - and in the future the list of packages will be dynamically determined by dependencies
22:22 < rxr> keinek: the desktop target does dep selection partially today ...
22:23 < keinek> yes i saw dep_db.txt
22:23 < Postal> They just scream hardware issuse even after i ran every test they threw at me... and they all came up clean..
22:24 < Postal> mmmm
22:25 < Postal> I just want to get is stable long enough to svn up and compile a minimal template...
22:26 < rxr> na dep_db.txt is other rock crap ...
22:26 < rxr> keinek: if you want a simple pkg list ... go to: misc/pkgsel
22:26 < jsaw> hi rxr
22:26 < rxr> and hack your own package preselection template ...
22:26 < keinek> thanks rxr i will look that
22:27 < rxr> that is the static list you want ...
22:27 < rxr> and you can throw it over any target you like to ...
22:27 < rxr> yeah - hi jsaw  ...
22:27 < rxr> jsaw: you do not wanna accidently come over and write my math examn on Tu ...
22:28 < rxr> I'm too bad in that these days ... - damn ... 
22:28 < mnemoc> :)
22:28 < rxr> well - anyway - n8 folks ...
22:28 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr 
22:28 < Postal> cu rxr 
22:28 < mnemoc> good luck in your exam
22:28 < rxr> well - luck is what I need for that one - plenty of it ...
22:29 < rxr> oh - and keinek - do not forget to send your pkgsel template to the list when you are done with it ...
22:29 < jsaw> rxr: you think that's a good idea?
22:29 < jsaw> .oO(I wouldn't be able to make on beweisskizze correctly)
22:30 < jsaw> s,on,one,
22:31 < keinek> sure is a good idea
22:31 < keinek> the keinek's crazy target :P
22:31 < jsaw> 22:34 < rxr> jsaw: you do not wanna accidently come over and write my math 
22:31 < jsaw>              examn on Tu ...
22:31 < jsaw> keinek: ---^
22:31 < keinek> a target by a normal guy
22:32 < keinek> ;)
22:32 < mnemoc> :)
22:34 < _Ragnar_> rxr: patch fails with trunk on a64
22:35 < _Ragnar_> 'No x86_64 found in config.{sub.guess} - updated'
22:35 < mnemoc> uhm
22:35 < mnemoc> is it applied?
22:35 < _Ragnar_> and then 'cp: cannot stat '<buildroot>/usr/share/automake/config.guess': no such file
22:35 < _Ragnar_> this is 1-patch
22:36 < _Ragnar_> no automake built yet
22:36 < mnemoc> automake-1.9 i think it is
22:36 < mnemoc> *yawn*
22:36 < _Ragnar_> ?
22:38 < _Ragnar_> the problem is: automake isn't installed at that point
22:39 < mnemoc> it's usr/share/automake-1.9/config.guess anyway :)
22:39 < keinek> i will back
22:39 < _Ragnar_> the cp says just automake
22:39 < mnemoc> typo
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22:39 < mnemoc> but copying it before installing automake is bad
22:40 < _Ragnar_> yes my point
22:40 < mnemoc> can't be repriorized?
22:41 < _Ragnar_> you mean move automake before patch?
22:41 < _Ragnar_> I can try
22:42 < _Ragnar_> hmm automake isn't built in 1 at all
22:44 < mnemoc> oh
22:44 < _Ragnar_> hmmm
22:44 < mnemoc> if the fix is to copy config.guess, you have to add automake to stage 1
22:45 < _Ragnar_> yeah but I wonder if this is really the best way to do it
22:45 < _Ragnar_> the autopatch we do with uclibc seems to be more elegant...
22:45 < mnemoc> :D
22:46 < _Ragnar_> if a package implements it's own config.sub, but does things differently then the normal automake, it'll break badly
22:46 < mnemoc> yep
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22:48 < keinek> hi again
22:48 < keinek> Mmmmm
22:48 < keinek> firefox have problems?
22:48 < keinek> compile good
22:48 < keinek> but... dont work for my
22:48 < mnemoc> try running it once as root
22:49 < keinek> yes... evertime i am root
22:49 < keinek> :)
22:49 < mnemoc> there is a -safe-mode
22:51 < _Ragnar_> no, automake doesn't build in 1
22:51 < _Ragnar_> it tries to install into /usr/share instead of <buildroot>/usr/share
22:51 < mnemoc> so, that's not the way to go
22:51 < mnemoc> mom
22:52 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: automake.conf: add $root before $datadir
22:52 < mnemoc> $root$datadir
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22:53 < _Ragnar_> that seems to work
22:53 < _Ragnar_> :D
22:53 < _Ragnar_> thanks
22:53 < mnemoc> :)
22:53 < _Ragnar_> should I commit?
22:54 < mnemoc> does that 'fix the world'?
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22:55 < keinek> ok
22:55 < keinek> this is the error
22:55 < Postal> como es kernel-2.6.11?
22:55 < keinek> bash-3.00# firefox
22:55 < keinek> Fontconfig error: line 24: not well-formed (invalid token)
22:55 < keinek> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
22:55 < keinek> //opt/firefox/lib/firefox-1.0.1/run-mozilla.sh: line 159:  2041 Violación de segmento   (core dumped) "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
22:55 < keinek> bash-3.00# 
22:55 < keinek> :(
22:55 < mnemoc> weird
22:56 < mnemoc> Fontconfig is segfaulting?
22:57 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: it seems to fix 1-patch ... I'd have to wait for stage 3 to see if the config copied there is the same as in 1
22:57 < mnemoc> the change to .conf is safe
22:57 < mnemoc> to commit
22:57 < mnemoc> but i'm not sure if pays to have automake on stage1
22:58 < mnemoc> as you said, they way we do with uclibc i far more elegant
22:58 < mnemoc> is*
22:58 < Postal> mnemoc, "if it pays" you need the indefinate article...
22:59 < Postal> ;-)
22:59 < mnemoc> :)
22:59 < mnemoc> thanks
23:00 < mnemoc> but that change is an small price to pay to get x86-64 building again
23:01 < Postal> tu ayudado mi ayer la noche y le debi tan
23:02 < mnemoc> o_O
23:02 < Postal> that is not a good scentence
23:02 < mnemoc> nope
23:02 < Postal> lol
23:02 < Postal> i tried 
23:02 < mnemoc> tu me ayudaste ayer en la noche y ... what?
23:02 < keinek> is that spanish ?
23:03 < Postal> so i owed you
23:03 < mnemoc> it's better than your english :D
23:03 < mnemoc> Postal: y te lo debia.
23:03 < Postal> my english if very good..
23:03 < Postal> ah
23:04 < mnemoc> Postal: keinek's
23:04 < Postal> mnemoc,  my spansih is terrible lol
23:04 < mnemoc> hehe
23:05 < _Ragnar_> rxr: btw the links in /usr/x86_64-t2-linux-gnu/lib still point to /usr/lib/, not to /usr/lib64
23:06 < _Ragnar_> rxr: this is beginning stage 2
23:06 < keinek> my english is terrible lol
23:06 < Postal> keinek, its alot better than my spanish lol
23:09 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: rxr is dead until wednesday
23:09 < _Ragnar_> oh
23:10 < keinek> ok... so...
23:10 < keinek> firefox_
23:10 < keinek> ?
23:10 < keinek> :`(
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23:14 < mnemoc> keinek: try rebuilding it
23:14 < mnemoc> keinek: it works perfectly here
23:16 < keinek> but... 
23:16 < keinek> is the last that build
23:18 < mnemoc> keinek: fontconfig, which segfaulted, is part of xorg
23:20 < mnemoc> keinek: you can also try to debug it ;)   strace and gdb can be your friends if you give them a chance
23:21 < keinek> pl
23:21 < keinek> ok
23:21 < keinek> now... tell me...
23:21 < keinek> what happen with amsn_
23:21 < keinek> ?
23:22 < mnemoc> no idea, i don't use that and it's not on my broken-list
23:22 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/T2/regressions.html  if you want to fix something :)
23:27 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: okay :)
23:28 < _Ragnar_> that
23:28 < _Ragnar_> that's a lot :|
23:28 < mnemoc> yep :'(
23:29 < mnemoc> i'll improve the AuditScript to add a page with svn st + svn diff of CHANGED, UPDATED and ADDED packages
23:29 < _Ragnar_> probably going to be a lot more with a64
23:29 < mnemoc> :(
23:42 < _Ragnar_> uhm
23:42 < _Ragnar_> why is there no c++ build in stage 3?!?
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23:44 < mnemoc> 3-gcc has c++
23:46 < _Ragnar_> hmm
23:46 < _Ragnar_> oh
23:46 < _Ragnar_> ./conftest: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: no such file
23:48 < mnemoc> how can something on stage3 depend on a library which is not part of the toolchain?
23:48 < mnemoc> looks like a 'leaking' from host
23:48 < _Ragnar_> libstdc++ isn't part of gcc?
23:50 < mnemoc> not if you don't build c++ afaik
23:50 < mnemoc> and 1-gcc doesn't build c++
23:54 < _Ragnar_> but 2-gcc should
23:55 < mnemoc> .oO( there is a 2-gcc? )o
23:55 < mnemoc> does it?
23:56 < _Ragnar_> yes
23:56 < _Ragnar_> the lib seems to be there, too
23:56 < mnemoc> --enable-languages=c  only on $stagelevel -le 1
23:59 < _Ragnar_> oh
23:59 < _Ragnar_> got it
--- Log closed Mon Mar 21 00:00:07 2005