--- Log opened Sat Mar 05 00:00:05 2005 --- Day changed Sat Mar 05 2005 00:00 < rxr> lol 00:00 < jsaw_> .oO(?) 00:00 < mnemoc> jeru: your zope is not compatible with our python 00:03 < rxr> mnemoc: can you edit my pages ? 00:05 < mnemoc> now i can :) 00:05 < rxr> now ? 00:05 < rxr> not previously ? 00:05 < rxr> or no ? *g* 00:05 < mnemoc> mom 00:05 < mnemoc> no, not yours but i can pascal's 00:08 < rxr> .oO 00:08 < rxr> phone rining again .... 00:08 < rxr> mnemoc: I added a new role 00:08 < rxr> adminisrative users - will add you jsaw_ and valentin to it ... 00:08 < mnemoc> book name=home <--- ugly 00:09 < rxr> yes 00:09 < mnemoc> Home -> Home -> Page on nav bar 00:10 < jeru> mnemoc: what's the problem with zope ? 00:10 < mnemoc> jeru: don't build with python 2.4 00:10 < jeru> ahh I see 00:12 < jeru> mnemoc: does zope build? 00:12 < mnemoc> no 00:12 < mnemoc> it doesn't build with python 2.4 00:12 < rxr> mysql> delete from cache; 00:12 < rxr> Query OK, 31 rows affected (0.04 sec) 00:14 < mnemoc> daja77: query! 00:14 < jeru> mnemoc: I know it works with 2.4 ... will add a patch ... wait a little bit ... have to build python 2.4 00:16 < rxr> why the *hit f*cking h*ll doe smy new role doe snot show up for check on the user pages ... 00:16 < rxr> damn 00:17 < rxr> oh - me blinded ... 00:17 < rxr> time to go to bed .... 00:18 < rxr> mnemoc: you are administrative user now ... 00:18 < rxr> try if you see the admin block now ... 00:18 < rxr> and be able to edit my pages ... 00:18 < mnemoc> :) 00:18 < rxr> jsaw_: ou are, too 00:19 < jsaw_> oh, thanks ;) 00:19 < jeru> rxr: just drink a cup of green tee and your eyes will "recover" ;) 00:19 < rxr> doublt ... 00:19 < rxr> doubt that ... 00:20 < jsaw_> can somebody explain me, why 0-glibc is build if it is not even in the config/*/packages file? 00:20 < rxr> mnemoc: are the more rights a help ? 00:20 < mnemoc> sure :) 00:20 < rxr> oehm - should not ... 00:20 < mnemoc> :\ 00:20 < rxr> jsaw_: in my glibc less targets glibc is not built ... 00:20 < rxr> mnemoc: should nto to jsaw_ not your perms ... 00:28 < rxr> so anything important? 00:28 * rxr shifting into bed ... 00:28 < jsaw_> cu rxr 00:28 < jeru> rxr: sleep well 00:29 < _Ragnar_> nini 00:31 < rxr> ,-) you to - n8 all 00:32 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 00:42 -!- _Ragnar__ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has joined #t2 00:42 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:44 < CIA-9> jeru * r7035 /trunk/package/network/zope/configure-python24.patch: * added patch to build zope with Python 2.4 00:45 < jeru> mnemoc: try this patch ... anyway Python 2.4 is not officially supported but it works quite some time for me ;) 00:52 < jsaw_> mnemoc: can you explain me the last 5 lines in set_confopt (scripts/functions)? 01:22 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: jeru, jsaw_, mtr, daja77, _Ragnar__, nzg, valentin, mnemoc 01:22 -!- Netsplit over, joins: _Ragnar__, jeru, valentin, daja77, nzg, jsaw_, mnemoc, mtr 01:26 -!- CIA-13 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 01:27 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [] 01:27 < mnemoc> re 01:29 < mnemoc> jsaw_: that's not mine.... but afaisi it's the crossability of stage 0 01:31 < mnemoc> jsaw_: what is making you doubt there? 01:32 < mnemoc> jsaw_: i'm sure you understand it much more than i 01:34 < mnemoc> jeru: == 03/04/05 21:35:24 =[5]=> Finished building package zope. 01:35 < jeru> :) 01:36 < mnemoc> :) 01:36 < mnemoc> does it run correclty? 01:36 < jsaw_> mnemoc: the usage of arch_build and arch_target confuses me 01:37 < mnemoc> yes, thats weird 01:38 < jeru> mnemoc: it works ... 01:38 < mnemoc> :D 01:39 < jeru> try to create a zope instance with: 01:39 < jeru> # mkzopeinstance.py 01:39 < mnemoc> nah ;) i don't want to contamine my ref build 01:39 < jeru> ahh ok ... thought you've test machine :) 01:41 < mnemoc> my laptop :p 01:42 < jeru> yeah ... contamine your laptop ... :D 01:42 < mnemoc> no thanks :p 01:42 < mnemoc> you did it for me 01:43 < jeru> it looks so :) 01:46 < mnemoc> 1457 builds total, 1385 completed fine, 71 with errors. 01:46 < mnemoc> but that includes lot of not commited updates 01:46 < mnemoc> and some like libexif which broke nautilus, and it most gnome 01:48 -!- c4y0 [~c4y0@200.75.68.67] has joined #t2 01:48 < c4y0> hi! 01:49 < jeru> hi c4y0 01:49 < jsaw_> I think I can have a rendezvous with my bed, finally... 01:49 < jsaw_> g'night all! 01:50 < jeru> good night jsaw ... 01:51 < mnemoc> gn8 js* 01:51 < mnemoc> hi c4y0 01:51 < c4y0> =) 01:51 < mnemoc> c4y0: will you use T2 some day? 01:51 < c4y0> yep! 01:52 < c4y0> some day! 01:52 < c4y0> hehehe 02:04 -!- c4y0 [~c4y0@200.75.68.67] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c20cvs -- just do it."] 02:07 < jeru> mnemoc: vserver disc quotas don't work atm ? 02:08 < mnemoc> the project seems to be abandoned 02:09 < mnemoc> but the one for 2.4 should be working 02:09 < jeru> hmmm ... really ... the whole vserver project ? 02:09 < mnemoc> no no 02:09 < mnemoc> per context quota 02:09 < jeru> ahh ok ... 02:10 < mnemoc> but herbert got a job offer from 'virtuozzo' 02:10 < mnemoc> the comercial competitor of vserver 02:10 < jeru> so you think, things are getting worse? 02:11 < mnemoc> people think he wont be able to continue leading vserver 02:11 < mnemoc> but he is not sure yet, afaik 02:11 < jeru> hmmm :| 02:12 < jeru> do you know another alternative? 02:12 < jeru> have to migrate a server this weekend from gentoo (pimp os ;) -> t2 (syne) 02:12 < mnemoc> :D 02:12 < mnemoc> vserver still the best alternative 02:13 < mnemoc> and i'm sure it will continue kicking :) 02:13 < jeru> ok ... hope it will work ... because the machine is at a remote location (data centre) 02:13 < jeru> some 400km away from me 02:14 < mnemoc> having context on kernel doesn't change anything on the running machine if you don't configure it 02:14 < mnemoc> context 0 is just a normal linux machine 02:14 < jeru> yeah I know ... have some machines at work running with a lot of vservers :) 02:14 < mnemoc> :D 02:15 < mnemoc> vserver rules :p 02:15 < jeru> yeah it's very nice 02:15 < mnemoc> it's amazingly cheap and highly secure 02:15 < jeru> have you used vserver in combination with ipvs? 02:16 < mnemoc> yes 02:16 < jeru> does it work well? 02:16 < mnemoc> perfect :p 02:16 < jeru> :D 02:16 < mnemoc> once i had a toy-cluster of apache servers on the director :p 02:17 < jeru> ok .. then you've to be online the whole weekend ... that I've somebody to ask for help ;D 02:17 < mnemoc> hehe 02:17 < jeru> you're not permited to sleep :D 02:17 < mnemoc> :p 02:18 < mnemoc> i love the idea of getting feedback about mnemosyne 02:18 < jeru> yeah ... you will get it :D 02:18 < mnemoc> :) 02:19 < jeru> what about the exam you had today? do you have a godd feeling? 02:19 < mnemoc> yes, i found it easy :p 02:19 < mnemoc> but it was a cappella, and i'll know the resutls on april 15 02:20 < jeru> ok ... sounds good :) 02:21 < mnemoc> i have a second chance on augost 02:22 < mnemoc> i didn't planned to give it this time, but .. i did it :p 02:22 < jeru> so it was quite spontanous :D 02:23 < mnemoc> "he clearly pointed out that his company has some 02:23 < mnemoc> interest, that virtualization techniques - like the 02:23 < mnemoc> one linux-vserver uses - 'gain momentum' in the face 02:23 < mnemoc> of system emulators like VMware(tm) and partitioning 02:23 < mnemoc> approaches like Xen. he also told me that they are 02:23 < mnemoc> watching this project very closely and that, while 02:23 < mnemoc> it is small compared to their products, it's quite 02:23 < mnemoc> interesting ..." 02:23 < mnemoc> that's from a mail from herbert after talking with virtuozzo's owner 02:24 < mnemoc> jeru: yeah, i had nothing to loose so.... :) 02:24 < jeru> I see ... damn commercial virtuozzo gang 02:25 < jeru> have you ever used their products ? 02:26 < mnemoc> nope :p 02:26 < mnemoc> you? 02:26 < jeru> nope :D 02:27 < mnemoc> i hope vserver don't get orphan again 02:27 < jeru> mee too 02:29 < jeru> but what about rsbac ?... they've ported the "bsd ip jails" as I've seen, but never used it 02:30 < mnemoc> i have that abandoned :p 02:30 < mnemoc> i would love to have 40 hours per day :\ 02:30 < jeru> why? 02:30 < jeru> haha 02:30 < mnemoc> i want PAX too 02:31 < mnemoc> PAX+vserver :) 02:31 < jeru> +grsec perhaps? 02:31 < mnemoc> yes, but the ability to have PAX-only 02:32 < mnemoc> those are the security packages i have pending 02:32 < mnemoc> but i need a recient linux 26 as linux-header to keep it consistent 02:33 < jeru> I see ... 02:35 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if grsec+vserver patches apply together 02:35 < mnemoc> i guess not 02:41 < jeru> hmmm ... yeah unfortunately you could be right with your assumption :| 02:43 < mnemoc> and if rsbac now includes networking stuff it wont apply neither 02:44 < CIA-13> jeru * r7036 /trunk/package/base/00-dirtree/00-dirtree.conf: * added missing quote 02:44 < jeru> ^ typo 02:54 < jeru> hmmm ... my remote build server is quite fast :) 02:57 < jeru> mnemoc: target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/SYSLOG.syslog-ng.choice ? 03:02 < CIA-13> jeru * r7037 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/ (5 files): * added SYSLOG options 03:02 < jeru> shit comitted wrong ... will revert 03:05 < mnemoc> re 03:06 < jeru> mnemoc: how do I revert my last commit? 03:06 < mnemoc> you have to merge the negative and commit again 03:06 < mnemoc> but let me review it 03:06 < mnemoc> why syslog-ng? 03:07 < mnemoc> uhm 03:07 < jeru> just optional 03:07 < mnemoc> bad commit 03:07 < jeru> :/ 03:07 < jeru> sorry 03:07 < mnemoc> sYSLOG.none?? 03:07 < mnemoc> what is a none? 03:08 < mnemoc> you always need to have one 03:08 < mnemoc> SYSLOG.socklog.choice 03:08 < mnemoc> #Default: socklog 03:08 < jeru> ok ... 03:08 < jeru> it was just meant optional 03:09 < mnemoc> yes, syslog-ng is an option 03:09 < jeru> but I think I'm too tired right now have to sleep 03:09 < mnemoc> -ROCKCFGSET_INIT=runit 03:09 < mnemoc> +ROCKCFGSET_INIT=$ROCKCFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_INIT 03:09 < mnemoc> ? 03:10 < mnemoc> do you revert or i do? 03:10 < mnemoc> pam can be Security/pam.ask 03:10 < mnemoc> #Default: 1 to preserve current behavior 03:10 < jeru> please show me the command line ... and I will do it .. had never reverted ... 03:11 < mnemoc> svn merge -r(i+1):(i) . 03:11 < mnemoc> that's a negative merge 03:11 < mnemoc> from (i+1) to i 03:11 < jeru> ok ... 03:12 < mnemoc> svn merge -r7037:7036 . 03:17 < CIA-13> jeru * r7038 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/ (5 files): * undo last commit on mnemosyne target (sorry again menmoc ;) 03:19 < jeru> mnemoc: should I create SYSLOG.socklog.choice ? 03:20 < mnemoc> if you will add SYSLOG.syslog-ng.choice we need a socklog choice too 03:20 < mnemoc> setting #Default: properly to preserve current behaviour 03:21 < jeru> yep ... default is socklog ... ack 03:32 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.197.89.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 03:32 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again! 03:32 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Feb 19 18:03:55 2005] 03:32 [Users #t2] 03:32 [ _Ragnar__] [ daja77] [ jsaw_ ] [ mtr] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 03:32 [ CIA-13 ] [ jeru ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg] [ rxr_] 03:32 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal] 03:32 < jeru> what's your proposal ... just grabbed it from mine -p (lazy as I be ;) 03:32 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 03:32 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 03:32 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 15 secs 03:33 < mnemoc> Logging Services (socklog) ? 03:33 < jeru> ack 03:34 < mnemoc> will you use minit on your installation? 03:35 < jeru> not yet ... but I would like to add it as choice now 03:35 < mnemoc> i'm not sure minit is ready to be used as init on T2 :p 03:36 < jeru> yeah ... you have to do some "hand work" ;) 03:36 < jeru> (X) Logging Services (socklog) ? ? 03:36 < jeru> ? ? ( ) Logging Services (syslog-ng) 03:36 < jeru> hmm pasting isn't a good idea 03:36 < jeru> :D 03:37 < mnemoc> :p 03:37 < jeru> but you see ... 03:37 < mnemoc> why do you see it with (X) ? 03:37 < jeru> ? 03:38 < jeru> I just paste it from Config 03:38 < mnemoc> .oO 03:38 < jeru> so you don't want to have minit in syne right now ... ? 03:38 < mnemoc> i don't like that neither 03:39 < mnemoc> i hate naming stuff :\ 03:39 < mnemoc> i want working stuff on mnemosyne :) 03:39 < jeru> argh ... :) 03:40 < jeru> so I'll keep it locally till it's ready for production ... 03:40 < mnemoc> good 03:40 < jeru> yep 03:40 < mnemoc> i want to imrpove 'tail' to be able to proceude scripts for minit too 03:40 < jeru> will also take a look at it 03:41 < jeru> I've to increase my "pace" 03:41 < mnemoc> :) 03:41 < jeru> ;) 03:44 < mnemoc> socklog: Reliable Logging Services 03:44 < mnemoc> syslog-ng: Next Generation Syslog Service 03:45 < jeru> ok ... already typed the commit message ;) but will cancle :) 03:45 < jeru> cancel 03:46 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.198.195.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:46 < mnemoc> it was just a proposal 03:46 < mnemoc> choice descriptions including choice name look ugly 03:46 < mnemoc> (value) Blah Blah (value) 03:46 < mnemoc> puaj 03:47 < jeru> so you just want to have "Reliable Logging Services" as Desc. for socklog? 03:48 < mnemoc> not sure :( 03:48 < CIA-13> amery * r7039 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/xpdf.conf: * fixed xpdf to detect freetype2 properly 03:49 < mnemoc> socklog is a logging service, and syslog-ng is a reimplementation of the classic 03:49 < mnemoc> i guess we can describe them that way 03:52 < jeru> I wil commit now ... we can changed anyway if the name doesn't fit ;) 03:53 < jeru> change it 03:53 < jeru> i mean 03:53 < mnemoc> :) 03:53 < jeru> we don't have to cry about desc. now :) 03:54 < mnemoc> hehe 03:54 < jeru> :D 03:56 < CIA-13> jeru * r7040 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/ (SYSLOG.socklog.choice SYSLOG.syslog-ng.choice base.all): 03:56 < CIA-13> * added syslog options (socklog, syslog-ng) 03:56 < CIA-13> * removed static socklog selection from base.all 03:56 < jeru> can I add grub as choice and leaving lilo as default (if you want) 03:57 < jeru> HD_Boot.grub.choice 03:57 < jeru> HD_Boot.lilo.choice 03:57 < mnemoc> .oO( mnemosyne config is getting fatter every day )o 03:58 < mnemoc> what about doing that using pkgsel ? 03:58 < jeru> hmmm ... 03:59 < jeru> you mean custom selection? 03:59 < mnemoc> grub 03:59 < mnemoc> there is no reason to have grub instead of lilo on a server 04:00 < mnemoc> imo 04:00 < mnemoc> grub is cool when you do changes 04:00 < jeru> ack 04:00 < mnemoc> pkgsel: - lilo\nX grub :P 04:01 < jeru> ok recently grub removed from jeru's brain ;) 04:01 < mnemoc> :D 04:04 < mnemoc> xpdf: usr/bin/xpdf <--- finally 04:04 < CIA-13> amery * r7041 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/xpdf.conf: * fixed xpdf removing a forgotten 'false', sorry. 04:07 -!- CIA-13 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:07 -!- CIA-14 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 04:11 -!- CIA-14 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 04:11 -!- CIA-2 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 04:12 < jeru> things getting worse ... kernel26 build failed due to failed hunks :/ 04:12 < mnemoc> jeru: you forgot the content of the options 04:13 < mnemoc> jeru: l7-filter ? 04:13 < mnemoc> jeru: 2.6.11 update was too abrupt 04:16 < jeru> hmm ... what did I forgot ? 04:17 < jeru> ahh ... ok ... have to slepp 04:17 < jeru> sleep 04:17 < jeru> I will add it 04:17 < mnemoc> SYSLOG.*.choice are empty 04:18 < mnemoc> empty of rules i mean 04:18 < jeru> it's 4 am ... and my eyes ... rolling around 04:18 < jeru> yeah I see 04:18 < jeru> yet 04:18 < jeru> :D 04:19 < mnemoc> :) 04:20 < mnemoc> jeru: pkgsel - l7-filter for now 04:20 < mnemoc> jeru: i'll try to add a patch for the patch to apply to 2.6.11 04:20 < jeru> ok ... 04:23 < CIA-2> jeru * r7042 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/ (SYSLOG.socklog.choice SYSLOG.syslog-ng.choice): * added options content 04:24 < jeru> vserver-1.9.2.patch fails 04:24 < mnemoc> :\ 04:25 < jeru> but I will look for it tomorrow, can't see my display anymore ;) 04:26 < jeru> and finaly I've to sleep ... and unfortunately I have to leave you alone (but hopefully not in the dark :D 04:26 < mnemoc> i hate this 'abrupt' kernel updates! 04:26 < mnemoc> hehe 04:26 < jeru> hmmm ... 04:26 < jeru> cu today 04:27 < jeru> sleep well if you find your bed 04:28 < mnemoc> :) 04:28 < mnemoc> i have three women on it 04:28 < jeru> oh ... that sounds good ;) 04:29 < jeru> so your 2 small ones don't want to sleep alone , as I guess 04:30 < jeru> and perhaps the elder one too ;) 04:30 < mnemoc> i have an update to vserver you may test :) 04:30 < mnemoc> :p 04:30 < mnemoc> yep 04:30 < mnemoc> and i'll go to sleep on victoria's bed :( 04:32 < CIA-2> amery * r7043 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc: * updated vserver for 2.6.11(-rc3) 04:47 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFE0B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:48 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFCF31.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 04:48 < jeru> mnemoc: still there or already lying in bed with 3 beautiful women? 04:49 < mnemoc> i'm not acepted with the noice of the laptop 04:49 < jeru> :D 04:49 < mnemoc> does that patch apply? 04:49 < jeru> vserver patch seems apply correctly 04:49 < jeru> :_) 04:49 < jeru> building kernel 04:49 < mnemoc> :D 04:50 < mnemoc> the patch selector on vserver conf is funny :) 04:51 < jeru> :) 04:51 < jeru> mnemocs toys 04:52 < jeru> ahhh ... I'm tired ... I wannaaaaaa sleeeeep 04:54 < mnemoc> gn8 jeru :) 04:55 < jeru> just a minute ... have to wait for kernel build ... after that I will jump into my bed 04:56 < jeru> but unfortunately with no women inside :/ 04:56 < mnemoc> hehe 04:57 < jeru> you're laughing at least 04:57 < mnemoc> :) 04:58 < jeru> shame on you mr. mnemoc :D 04:58 < mnemoc> :p 04:59 < jeru> my last girlfriend has left me because I was to politic ... and perhaps to often behind a keyboard ;) 05:01 < mnemoc> my wife used pine when i knew here 05:01 < mnemoc> her* 05:02 < mnemoc> now she don't ever touch a keyboard 05:02 < mnemoc> alergic 05:03 < jeru> that's unbelivable ... 05:03 < mnemoc> she bought a 'type machine' 05:04 < mnemoc> or however it's called in english 05:04 < jeru> typewriter I think 05:04 < jeru> but it has also a keyboard ;) 05:05 < mnemoc> yes, but it's different :p 05:05 < jeru> :D 05:05 < jeru> yep it's mostly not connected to the "outside" 05:06 < mnemoc> and you don't pass your free time in front of it 05:06 < jeru> sometimes I wish I had a typewriter instead of an laptop 05:06 < mnemoc> :) 05:07 < jeru> is she a professional writer? 05:08 < mnemoc> she studies hispanic literature 05:08 < mnemoc> called "letters" usually 05:08 < jeru> oh my ... 05:08 < mnemoc> letter as those from the alphabet 05:08 < mnemoc> not as those your mail :p 05:09 < jeru> :D 05:10 < jeru> today I told a friend that I have to visit latin/south america 05:11 < mnemoc> i have to visit europe :p 05:11 < jeru> I would like to visit cuba, venezuela and perhaps chile 05:11 < jeru> :) 05:11 < mnemoc> hehe 05:12 < jeru> yeah ... but atm there is no budget for it 05:12 < jeru> the last month I read a lot about the political situation in chile 05:13 < jeru> == 04:38:36 =[1]=> Building base/linux26 [2.6.11 2.1.0-beta4]. 05:13 < jeru> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled. 05:13 < jeru> -> Reading build/.../tools.cross/lib/pkg_linux26_pre.conf 05:13 < jeru> -> Including Security Contexts (vserver-1.9.4) patch... 05:13 < jeru> -> Reading package configuration from package directory. 05:13 < jeru> -> Preparing build in src.linux26.1109993916.9487.efd5b8cc 05:13 < jeru> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-linux26.out 05:13 < jeru> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-linux26.out -> 1-linux26.log 05:13 < jeru> == 03/05/05 05:06:41 =[1]=> Finished building package linux26. 05:13 < mnemoc> :) 05:13 < jeru> :) 05:13 < mnemoc> tomorrow tell me what they say about us :p 05:13 < jeru> so mnemoc ... now I diving down 05:13 < mnemoc> i asume pinochet, pinochet and a bit more of pinochet :\ 05:14 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep too 05:14 < mnemoc> 4 hours before you 05:14 < jeru> yep ... but this man is really bad 05:15 < jeru> i mean pinochet 05:15 < jeru> not you 05:15 < jeru> but I think you can tell me a lot more ... 05:15 < jeru> :) 05:15 < mnemoc> can a really bad man have 46% of approval? 05:15 < jeru> sleep well 05:15 < jeru> good n8 05:16 < jeru> cu today 05:16 < mnemoc> cu :) 05:16 < jeru> :) 05:16 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFCF31.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 07:20 -!- CIA-2 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 07:21 -!- CIA-2 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 07:27 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 07:31 < mipe> morning all 07:32 < mipe> rxr:i noticed that you added some of the changes to trunk 07:33 < mipe> rxr: btw. mipe != minto 07:34 < mipe> :) 08:01 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["gone fishing"] 08:02 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 08:47 -!- mtr_ [~michael@Hb53a.h.pppool.de] has joined #t2 08:56 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 08:58 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 09:04 < rxr_> moin 09:04 -!- You're now known as rxr 09:04 < rxr> mipe: oh sorry 09:04 < rxr> will correct the commit messages 09:06 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/releases/189590/ 09:07 -!- mtr [~michael@Ha8d6.h.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:24 < rxr> mnemoc: did you set your mnemosyne to external projet ? 10:25 < rxr> didn't I selected it as internal - after all it is included in t2 ... 10:42 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:50 * rxr decustmaining x.org 11:02 < CIA-2> rene * r7044 /trunk/package/www/mozilla/mozilla.conf: 11:02 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu : 11:02 < CIA-2> * fixed mozilla for lib64 architectures 11:08 < CIA-2> rene * r7045 /trunk/scripts/functions: 11:08 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu : 11:08 < CIA-2> * implemented global lib64 as $libdir for biarch architectures 11:09 < CIA-2> rene * r7046 /trunk/package/base/00-dirtree/00-dirtree.conf: 11:09 < CIA-2> * simlified 00-dirtree lib64 choosing to be in sync with global lib64 11:09 < CIA-2> decision 11:11 < CIA-2> rene * r7047 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: * synced glibc slibdir=lib64 likewise 11:14 < CIA-2> rene * r7048 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/ (xorg.conf xorg_config.sh): * decustmained xorg and make it more $prefix and $libdir aware 11:15 < CIA-2> rene * r7049 /trunk/package/x11/ (5 files in 3 dirs): * renamced xorg_config.sh to the commonly agreed xorg-conf.in ,-) 11:19 < CIA-2> rene * r7050 /trunk/package/x11/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 11:19 < CIA-2> * decustmained xorg-cyrillic-fonts and xorg-doc (untested but should 11:19 < CIA-2> build) 11:23 < CIA-2> rene * r7051 /trunk/package/graphic/libjpeg/libtool-fix.patch: 11:23 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu : 11:23 < CIA-2> * fixed libjpeg for x86-64 11:24 < CIA-2> rene * r7052 /trunk/package/graphic/a2ps/a2ps.conf: 11:24 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu : 11:24 < CIA-2> * fixed a2ps for x86-64 11:26 < CIA-2> rene * r7053 /trunk/package/x11/freetype/libtool-link-lib64.patch: 11:26 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu : 11:26 < CIA-2> * fixed freetype for x86-64 11:27 < CIA-2> rene * r7054 /trunk/package/base/gcc/3.4.3-amd64.patch: 11:27 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu : 11:27 < CIA-2> * fixed gcc for x86-64 11:36 < rxr> so last night logs for Mika corrected ... 11:40 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2005030409513811781 11:40 < rxr> ?!?! 11:42 < rxr> add CORE flag to nano 11:42 < rxr> !!! 11:52 < rxr> now the sourceforge mirror crap totally freeked out ... 11:53 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFB909.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:53 < rxr> moin jeru 12:01 < CIA-2> rene * r7055 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 12:01 < CIA-2> * updated digikam (0.7.1 -> 0.7.2) 12:01 < CIA-2> * moved from unc to belnet as sf mirro - unc does not work for me since 12:01 < CIA-2> days 12:06 < jeru> ahh moin rxr ... just was listening radio ... and I just can shaking my head about how they describe the event with wounded italian journalist in iraq. 12:07 < jeru> they describe it as "tragic event" 12:07 < jeru> but these "tragic events" happening all day :/ 12:08 < jeru> but nobody talks about the "doped" killer machines called soldiers 12:08 < jeru> anyway ... 12:11 < rxr> Mars Rovers Have Incorrect Instruments Installed 12:12 < rxr> "The New Scientist is reporting that the twin Mars rovers, Opportunity and Spirit, has instruments installed in the wrong rovers. From the article: 'While the bungle does not undermine the main scientific conclusions drawn from the data collected by the rovers, it is an embarrassing slip-up for a space agency that once lost a Mars spacecraft because engineers mixed up metric and imperial units.'" 12:15 < jeru> rxr: btw the official "mars rover" site is made with plone (see first entry: http://plone.org/about/sites/) ;) 12:17 < rxr> jeru: there are also lots of drupal sites ... 12:17 < rxr> http://drupal.org/drupal-sites 12:18 < jeru> rxr: yeah ... don't wanted to bash drupal ... ;) 12:18 < jeru> :D 12:18 < CIA-2> rene * r7056 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: * removed most noise from the .cache generation 12:19 < rxr> jeru: I do not want to hype it, just that all are imperfect and we use that one for now ... 12:19 < rxr> however alternative attempts to test CMS are welcome ... 12:23 < jeru> rxr: yeah ... you're absloutely right ... we just have to use one 12:25 < rxr> so -rc1 build to be started in the afternoon ... 12:25 < rxr> when my iBook X.Org build finished ... 12:25 < jeru> ahhh ... cool ... :D 12:26 < jeru> was awake till the morning building server ... :D still a little bit tired 12:26 < rxr> I can imagine ,-) 12:26 < jeru> couldn't sleep 12:27 < CIA-2> rene * r7057 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * version bump to -rc1 - working target to be done until CeBIT 12:27 < jeru> and mnemoc was still there giving some help :) 12:27 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 12:28 < jeru> but we have a problems with pkprefix and openldap/heimdal/pam_krb5/nss_ldap stuff 12:28 < jeru> have to examine it now 12:36 < jeru> heimdal is build before openldap in stage 5 but depends on pkprefix openldap :/ 12:36 < rxr> hehe - have furn resorting them ... 12:36 < jeru> thanks 12:36 < jeru> :/ 12:37 < jeru> but openldap needs pkprefix from heimdal 12:37 < jeru> do you have an idea to circumvent this behavior mr. lead developer ;) 12:38 < rxr> kerneltrap is drupal, too 13:25 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041110]"] 13:26 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 13:27 < Minto> Moin 13:45 < jeru> moin minto 13:55 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.38] has joined #t2 13:56 < Minto> Hi mnemoc 13:58 < rxr> hi Minto 13:58 < Minto> Hi rxr 13:58 < Minto> rxr: have thought about updating disktype on the mirror to version 8? 13:59 < Minto> s/mirror/download mirrors/ 14:07 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.27] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:14 < CIA-2> jeru * r7058 /trunk/package/network/nss_ldap/nss_ldap.desc: * changed download to http because ftp doesn't work anymore 14:26 < mnemoc_> rehi 14:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: are you updating your mirrors? 14:27 < rxr> I think so ... 14:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: yes, i set mnemosyne as external. why? 14:27 < rxr> because it is in t2 - so it is internal ... 14:27 < jeru> hi mnemoc 14:28 < rxr> wrote 47 bytes read 65035 bytes 5206.56 bytes/sec 14:28 < rxr> total size is 4914105814 speedup is 75506.37 14:28 < rxr> mirror is up-to-date 14:28 < mnemoc_> if you consider it internal, ok. i'll change it :p 14:29 < mnemoc_> rxr: i can't edit "Developing" page even considering i am the author 14:30 < rxr> Minto: I have no disktype 8 on the master ... 14:30 < mnemoc_> it is on t2.geeks.cl if you want to grab it 14:31 < jeru> rxr: btw the yesterday I had problems with disktype download location 14:32 < jeru> isn't available at dl.sourceforge.net but via prdownloads.sourceforge.net ... 14:32 < mnemoc_> jeru: there are translations available on misc/share 14:32 < mnemoc_> you got segfault? 14:32 < jeru> no 14:32 < rxr> I fixed the segfault 14:33 < mnemoc_> i guess you need to update your curl to fix the segfault locally :) 14:33 < jeru> ok ... will try it out 14:35 < rxr> download/mirror/d/disktype-8.tar.gz.cksum-err 14:39 < rxr> it is not on the mirror due to the unc.sf.net brokenness .... 14:41 < mnemoc_> get the one i have on t2.geeks.cl :) 14:41 < rxr> no - I want to see if it is fetched from mesh during the next iteration 14:41 < rxr> belnet even ... 14:41 < rxr> I updated the Translation file some hours ago ... 14:42 < mnemoc_> belnet is slow as hell from here :\ 14:42 < rxr> hm 14:42 < rxr> unc is broken like hell from everywhere for weeks ... 14:43 < rxr> choose another one that is faster ... 14:43 < mnemoc_> easynews is not too slow from here 14:44 < mnemoc_> but change it 14:44 < mnemoc_> i can select my one here 14:44 < rxr> easynes ? 14:44 < rxr> hm - latency behavour with jack has not improved with 2.6.11 ... 14:46 < rxr> I could push the mirror content to your side, as done for the others ... 14:46 < rxr> e.g. you would host the same set of older versions ... 14:47 < mnemoc_> i prefer to push the contents myself 14:47 < rxr> however this set is quite bigger: 14:47 < rxr> 6.1G 2.1 14:47 < mnemoc_> internationa bandwidth of t2.geeks.cl is very poor 14:48 < rxr> but we should push to all the future mirrors, since the set of files would be more consistent then ... 14:49 < mnemoc_> sure 14:51 < rxr> you can not access the Developing page ? 14:53 < mnemoc_> i can access it, but [edit] is not there 14:53 < mnemoc_> same on 'mnemosyne' 14:54 < mnemoc_> but i can edit 'functions' 14:56 < rxr> try again 14:57 < mnemoc_> the same 15:00 < rxr> strange - with freshly created rene-test i can edit it ... 15:01 < mnemoc_> i can edit 'functions' 15:01 < mnemoc_> but not 'mnemosyne' or 'developing' 15:01 < mnemoc_> and they all are author=amery 15:01 < rxr> just did Develpoing 15:01 < rxr> as rene-test 15:01 < rxr> with less rights than you have ... 15:02 < mnemoc_> weird 15:03 < rxr> CMSs they all are 15:03 < mnemoc_> :) 15:03 < rxr> hm - interesting 15:04 < rxr> with rene-test with the same rights you have - the edit field is indeed missing ... 15:04 < jeru> rxr: what kind of passwd backend does drupal use? 15:04 < mnemoc_> i prefer wiki-s, no permissions to handle :) 15:04 < jeru> :D 15:04 < rxr> jeru: what do you meann? 15:04 < mnemoc_> plain text :) 15:04 < rxr> jeru: AFAICS it throws them into mysql ... 15:04 < jeru> ah ok 15:05 < rxr> drupal == database for all - excpet file uploads ... 15:06 < mnemoc_> but plain text or encrypted? 15:06 < rxr> have not taken a look 15:08 < rxr> mnemoc_: try again 15:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: yes 15:12 < mnemoc_> worked 15:12 < mnemoc_> .oO( rc1 )o 15:16 < rxr> .oO ? 15:20 < mnemoc_> you tagged 15:20 < rxr> nope 15:21 < mnemoc_> nope? 15:21 < rxr> nope 15:21 < mnemoc_> why do i have rc1 now? 15:21 < rxr> I only changed the working version target in parse-config 15:21 < mnemoc_> but we can't go for rc1 yet 15:21 < rxr> why ? 15:21 < mnemoc_> we have to decide what pening features will go to 2.1.0 15:21 < mnemoc_> pending* 15:21 < rxr> the one that make it .. 15:22 < rxr> T2 2.1 will not be a 1.7 ROCK that never ends ... 15:22 < mnemoc_> beta4 15:22 < mnemoc_> discuss discuss discuss 2-3 days 15:22 < mnemoc_> and roadmap rc1 15:22 < rxr> didn't you want a 2.1 until rock 2.0 anv. ? 15:22 < rxr> mnemoc_: I have no time to discuss 15:22 < rxr> I have exams in a few days ... 15:22 < mnemoc_> rc1 must be stable 15:23 < rxr> trunk is stable ... 15:23 < mnemoc_> no it's not 15:23 < rxr> and the mark is the working target - not to be tagged today ... 15:23 < mnemoc_> there is stuff on Config to change 15:23 < mnemoc_> that breaks compatibility 15:23 < rxr> then don't change it ... 15:23 < rxr> btw. what do you want to change ? 15:24 < mnemoc_> Config distribution stinks 15:24 < mnemoc_> mainly subconfig-s 15:24 < mnemoc_> you added kde-rc, but not gnome-rc 15:24 < mnemoc_> we need to solve linux-header regressions 15:24 < rxr> you mean gnome 2.10 ? 15:24 < mnemoc_> yes 15:25 < rxr> when noone cares ... 15:25 < mnemoc_> noone cares what? 15:25 < rxr> about gnome *g* 15:25 < mnemoc_> you don't care. i care 15:25 < rxr> when update it ... 15:25 < mnemoc_> and i have been fixing packages 15:25 < rxr> then even 15:25 < rxr> mnemoc_: there is no reason to panic over the working target change ... 15:26 < rxr> we want 2.1 in a month - if so we need to work on it ... 15:26 < mnemoc_> i know 15:26 < mnemoc_> but rc-1 needs discussion 15:26 < mnemoc_> we don't even have a copyright message 15:26 < rxr> and I do not know if you konw how much time a release takes - how long I sit until the x86 and ppc ISOs are ready ... 15:26 < rxr> I can not do that endlesly ... 15:27 < rxr> mnemoc_: so let's start the discussion ... - or it will never happen ... 15:27 < rxr> copyright is a one commit change ... 15:27 < mnemoc_> noone cares about ppc isos :) 15:27 < rxr> nope 15:27 < rxr> I have more ppc users thatn x86 ones in germany .. 15:27 < valentin> mnemoc_: i do 15:27 < valentin> hi, btw 15:27 < rxr> in fact I only do x86 for testing because I have no immediate use for them ... 15:27 < mnemoc_> valentin: can you help to get ppc iso in less than three weeks? 15:28 < rxr> in other wors I do x86 for reference fun and ppc for production ... 15:28 < valentin> mnemoc_: maybe i could work with rxr when we are at CeBit next week 15:28 < mnemoc_> if you use ppc for production, why do you take so much to produce the isos? 15:28 < mnemoc_> :| 15:28 < rxr> because updates and co continously break non x86 arches ? 15:28 < mnemoc_> damn damn damn 15:28 < rxr> and I have to hotfix them before release? 15:29 < mnemoc_> sure 15:29 < mnemoc_> .oO 15:29 < mnemoc_> arg 15:29 < CIA-2> amery * r7059 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed/sylpheed.desc: * updated sylpheed (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3) 15:29 < rxr> the last time I had to rework the install part maojrly and patch Create-ISO to do real size estimation ... 15:29 < valentin> mnemoc_: you do not have other arcitectures than x86* handy ? 15:29 < mnemoc_> .oO( CeBit next weekCeBit next week CeBit next week CeBit next week )o 15:30 < rxr> mnemoc_: and ? 15:30 < rxr> snowing here ... 15:30 < mnemoc_> 33°C outside here 15:31 < mnemoc_> i'll work on structural stuff this days, can you see linux-header update? 15:31 < rxr> see in termsn of estimate commit date ? 15:32 < rxr> mnemoc_: 2.1 was planned as stable base ... 15:32 < mnemoc_> yes 15:32 < mnemoc_> that's what i plan too 15:32 < rxr> why not do 2.1 with our current feature st - do our exams and co - and continue with cleanups and new features for 2.2 released two months later ? 15:32 < mnemoc_> but we need a 'compatible' stable base 15:32 < mnemoc_> not a vapor stable base 15:33 < mnemoc_> structural cleans, not new features 15:33 < rxr> vapor ware is unreleased stuff - doing a normal releasse is a normal release ... 15:33 < mnemoc_> vapor base, a base that will change in the first month of 2.2 :) 15:33 < rxr> the kde folks also released 3.0 one day - and 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 and now 3.4 shorly thereafter ... 15:34 < rxr> well - slit package and maybe core language changes will do a lot more later ... 15:34 < mnemoc_> let me sweep cleaning out our... 15:34 < mnemoc_> # ls package/*/*/*.desc | wc -l 15:34 < mnemoc_> 1466 15:34 < mnemoc_> 1466 packages 15:34 < rxr> look at how incompatible gtk+ or gcc releases are between majors ... 15:35 < rxr> and we already need some 2.2 soon for gcc-4.0 ... 15:35 < mnemoc_> s/out/up/ 15:35 < mnemoc_> slit on 2.2, completly agree 15:35 < rxr> this never releasing really is a rock illness 15:35 < rxr> release early release often 15:35 < rxr> and when we change / cleanup stuff we just tested and do it ... 15:36 < rxr> when we tell two years "one day there will be a 2.1" it becomes vapor ware 15:36 < mnemoc_> i need to be sure the cleanup-s keep rc1/.0,.1,etc.. config, api, abi, prefix stable 15:36 < rxr> like rock 1.7/2.0 was 15:37 < rxr> btw. do not confuse adding functions with api incompatible 15:37 < rxr> only changing and removing makes it incompatible ... 15:37 < rxr> just adding a new helper is no problem at all 15:38 < CIA-2> rene * r7060 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-beta/ (4 files): 15:38 < CIA-2> * updated xemacs-beta (21.5.18 -> 21.5.19) 15:38 < CIA-2> * removed xft patching - all the recent incarnations are just unusable 15:38 < CIA-2> (instable) and a sorted solution does not seem to manifest on the 15:38 < CIA-2> horizon 15:38 < mnemoc_> i'll not add new helpers, i want to be use we are using them correctly everywhere they are needed 15:38 < mnemoc_> standarize filenames. etc 15:39 < rxr> I alread cleaned up xorg this morning ... 15:39 < mnemoc_> :) 15:39 < rxr> you told me you do kde gnome - so I have not ... 15:39 < mnemoc_> ack 15:39 < mnemoc_> :) 15:39 < mnemoc_> i can do that dumb work 15:40 < rxr> it is a svn mv and a sed run ... 15:40 < mnemoc_> but i need you to do the hard one... linux-header :) 15:40 < rxr> I can do if you do not want to .. 15:40 < mnemoc_> no no 15:41 < mnemoc_> you do the part out of my scope, 32/64 and kernel work 15:41 < rxr> but better let's have a 2.1 earlier than a endlessly delayed one ... 15:42 < rxr> and cleanups can always be performed ... - look at linux-2.4 or linux-2.6 _.0_ 15:42 < mnemoc_> :) 15:42 < rxr> works for most - but the ever ongoing tinkering and cleanup going on ... 15:43 < rxr> valentin: what is our pr paper doing ? 15:43 < mnemoc_> what about copyright? 15:43 < rxr> the next days ... *g* 15:43 < mnemoc_> jsaw and i want a minimalistic one, and you want it double 15:43 < valentin> rxr: did not continue that - did susann take a look ? 15:43 < rxr> today was .cache denosie - so ... 15:43 < rxr> valentin: no idea - will ask later ... 15:44 < rxr> maybe post it on t2 (list) 15:45 < rxr> there are 21 people on the list ... 15:46 < mnemoc_> " GNOME 2.10 is going to be the latest and greatest thing from the GNOME Desktop Project this March 9th. Here is a sneak peek of some of the things that are currently in the GNOME 2.9 development snapshot." 15:46 < rxr> they always tell so and then it just crashes on me ... 15:47 < mnemoc_> :) 15:47 < rxr> mnemoc_: aren't you in minimal? Wouldn't you want to use xfce then ? 15:47 < mnemoc_> i use xfce on my laptop :) 15:47 < rxr> and gnome? nowhere ? 15:48 < mnemoc_> no *sigh* 15:48 < rxr> mnemoc_: btw release engeneering - the last time I also had to track the setpasswd issue ... 15:48 < mnemoc_> but i want that gnome for my house 15:48 < mnemoc_> rxr: yes, you did it. but what do you mean? 15:49 < rxr> just to list what takes so much time abut releases and why I would like to avoid endless -beta releases ... 15:49 < rxr> a release is stable and tested - and that could be 2.1 at some point soon ... 15:50 < rxr> so - starting the linux-header updated built ... 15:50 < rxr> +d 15:50 < mnemoc_> if we release 2.1-rc1 with gnome 2.8 imo we can't update it to 2.10 on any 2.1.x 15:51 < rxr> so update in the next days ... ,-) 15:51 < mnemoc_> i'll have to 15:51 < rxr> or get someone else to do it ... 15:51 < rxr> should I improce the C++ version checker to be able to deal with the versioned gnome dirs ? 15:53 < mnemoc_> that's on my todo too 15:53 < rxr> the C++ tracker is on your todo ? 15:53 < mnemoc_> no, versioned dirs of pkgcheck 15:53 < rxr> this old style script beast ? 15:54 < mnemoc_> i love that beast :p 15:54 < rxr> oh my god 15:55 < rxr> FO: Testing ... ok 58165.000 15:55 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 61080.000 15:55 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 137.000 15:55 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 15931.000 15:55 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 39891.000 15:55 < mnemoc_> ${url%$ver} ${url%${ver%.*}} ... looop 15:55 < mnemoc_> www.geeks.cl is not operative 15:55 < rxr> uhm ? 15:55 < mnemoc_> in fact it should be downloading a 404 15:56 < rxr> I think the check is broken - I noticed previously that a number is displayed with in fat the file was not there ... 15:56 < rxr> could you track that ? 15:56 < mnemoc_> not today :| 15:56 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 16:00 < rxr> hi mipe 16:00 < mipe> hi rxr 16:00 < rxr> mipe: I fixed the messed commit logs this morning 16:01 < mipe> rxr: :) 16:01 < rxr> and merged more ... 16:01 < rxr> including cleanups 16:01 < rxr> the vitial stuff should be in trunk now .. 16:02 < mipe> i look funny atm, i was fishing and sun was shining, was fishing for 5-6 hours,i had sunglasses and not back at home i look at the mirror and notice that i have wierd sun tan lines around my eyes :) 16:02 < rxr> mnemoc_: you could apply package/develop/distcc 16:02 < mipe> ups,typos,bit tired atm 16:02 < rxr> mipe: hehe 16:03 < rxr> courier-imap likewise 16:04 < jeru> rxr: what's about courier-imap? 16:05 < mnemoc_> i pasted him my test-build report 16:05 < rxr> pending updates on mnemoc's side 16:05 < rxr> mnemoc_: CHANGED does mena ? 16:05 < rxr> added or patch tweaked ? 16:06 < mnemoc_> changed means M or A on svn status without a version change 16:06 < mnemoc_> i need to improve to detect new pacakges 16:06 < mnemoc_> they are NEW not CHANGED :p 16:06 < rxr> ah ok 16:07 < jeru> mnemoc: that would be nice :D 16:07 < CIA-2> amery * r7061 /trunk/package/mail/courier-authlib/courier-authlib.desc: * updated courier-authlib (0.54 -> 0.55) 16:07 < CIA-2> amery * r7062 /trunk/package/mail/courier-imap/courier-imap.desc: * updated courier-imap (4.0.1 -> 4.0.2) 16:07 < mipe> hmm,var_append confopt "--disable-mmx" for imlib2, but looking at error log, it mangles the add to --disable-mmx=--disable-mmx or so. 16:07 < mnemoc_> jeru: do you use that dirty cow? 16:08 < mnemoc_> mipe: delimiter seems to be missing 16:08 < rxr> mipe: ack " " missing ... 16:08 < rxr> fix 16:08 < mnemoc_> var_append confopt ' ' '--disable-mmx' 16:08 < rxr> ^- I 16:08 < mnemoc_> ok 16:08 < mipe> ah yes, ofcourse :) 16:08 < jeru> mnemoc: what do you mean? courier? 16:09 < CIA-2> amery * r7063 /trunk/package/games/wesnoth/wesnoth.desc: * updated wesnoth (0.8.10 -> 0.8.11) 16:09 < rxr> mipe: oh - this is not in trunk but your local copy ? 16:09 < CIA-2> amery * r7064 /trunk/package/network/validator/ (validator.conf validator.desc): * improved validator to use match_source_file 16:09 < mnemoc_> jeru: yes, i use binc :) 16:09 < mipe> yep,but works 16:10 < jeru> never used binc ... can you recommand it? 16:10 < CIA-2> amery * r7065 /trunk/package/security/pwgen/ (. pwgen.desc): * added pwgen (2.03) 16:10 < rxr> jeru: yep - way nicer then courier for me ... 16:10 < rxr> thanks to mnemoc_ recommendation 16:10 < mnemoc_> :) 16:10 < jeru> :D 16:11 < rxr> not a single problem with binci so far ... 16:11 < jeru> I'll give it a try :) 16:11 < jeru> cool 16:11 < rxr> unlike e.g. with CMSs ... 16:11 < jeru> :D 16:11 < jeru> poor rxr ... 16:11 < mnemoc_> hehe 16:12 < mnemoc_> binc 1.2 doesn't implement THREAD and SORT 16:12 < mnemoc_> that can be a problem 16:12 < jeru> rxr: I know ... CMSs can be a nightmare ... :| 16:12 < mnemoc_> but it is really lighter than courier 16:13 < rxr> oh submaster just got 2.6.11 16:13 < rxr> so in 3 weeks they have it in trunk ... 16:14 < jeru> rxr spying rock ??? ;) 16:14 < rxr> yep - scrolled over the submaster and wondered why they are that stalled ... 16:15 < rxr> I get nervous when the graph does not change for weeks and suspect my generator to be broken ... 16:15 < jeru> :) 16:16 < Minto> Rock has something that T2 is missing 16:16 < rxr> we are 1500 or so revisions ahead ... - so ... 16:16 < rxr> what ? 16:16 < Minto> Bootsplash 16:16 < mnemoc_> puaj 16:16 < rxr> *lol* 16:17 < mnemoc_> do you want that? 16:17 < Minto> Would be nice to sex things up 16:17 < rxr> Minto: to boostplash is official considered broken and harmful ... 16:17 < Minto> Why do all mayor distros have it then? 16:17 < rxr> implementing it in userspace as it should be and linus, alan and so on demand is a toy project on my todo . 16:17 < rxr> no idea? 16:18 < rxr> because they want a jpeg loaded in the kernel ? *g* 16:18 < jeru> perhaps, because they want to be sexy ;) 16:18 < rxr> Minto: feel free to add it as a O package ... 16:19 < Minto> I think it is only usefull as eye candy. 16:19 < Minto> May i'll give it a try 16:19 < rxr> but accordingl the rock list (as I spy the few posts) andreas 'netrunner' said it most probably never worked in rock ... *g* 16:20 < Minto> Unfortunately a lot of people judge stuff only on the visual aspect. 16:20 < Minto> Didn't know is didn't work 16:20 < rxr> well - I would like to have it - but not the way bootsplash is .. 16:20 < Minto> s/is/it 16:20 < Minto> How would you like it then? 16:20 < rxr> and it will never go in the kernel due to the big cruft - and since it has nothing to do in the kernel .. 16:20 < mnemoc_> rxr: will you use 'bleeding'? if not, remove it please 16:21 < rxr> it must be a normal user space up that hooks into the kernel at the early userspace point and takes over the console ... 16:21 < rxr> I would use my GSMP canvas code based on evas ... 16:21 < rxr> (enlightenment 17 evas) 16:22 < rxr> so you have the crazzy stuff done well in userspace without crashing the kernel ... ,m-) 16:24 < Minto> Hmmm, I don't have enough experience to give that a try. 16:24 < Minto> Are there any existing alternatives? 16:24 < rxr> I think no 16:24 < rxr> not yet 16:24 < Minto> Bummer 16:25 < rxr> mnemoc_: have oyu a tidy update ? 16:25 < mnemoc_> Minto: http://qingy.sourceforge.net/ 16:25 < mnemoc_> rxr: i guess i already commited one 16:25 < CIA-2> rene * r7066 /trunk/package/network/tidy/tidy.desc: * updated tidy (050217 -> 050302) 16:26 < mnemoc_> :) 16:26 < mnemoc_> 050303 is out 16:26 < rxr> I just pased ... 16:26 < rxr> amd I blind ? 16:26 < mnemoc_> *no_answer* 16:27 < rxr> mnemoc_: but qingy is a login only 16:27 < rxr> that is not present while booting up, right ? 16:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: yep 16:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: only login 16:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: but equaly fancy :) 16:28 < Minto> It indeed looks nice. But how to overcome the boot gap? 16:28 < rxr> only with own C hacking ,-) 16:29 < rxr> but this is untested 16:29 < CIA-2> rene * r7067 /trunk/package/network/tidy/tidy.desc: * updated tidy (050302 -> 050303) 16:31 < Minto> I am not to comfortable with the linux kernel of boot process to start hacking things myself. Maybe I should start out with playing with existing things, like bootsplash and qingy. 16:31 < mnemoc_> Minto: go for it :) 16:32 < Minto> Ok. 16:32 < Minto> I already have three packages (log4cxx, apr and apr-util) over that are ready for inclusion. 16:33 < Minto> Unfortunately Apache uses an older version of apr, so modifying Apache package was not straight forward. 16:35 < mnemoc_> if you have a good apr{,-utils} pacakges, commit them, even if they are not yet integrated with other packages 16:36 < Minto> Should I send them to the mailing list? 16:36 < mnemoc_> rxr: ? 16:40 < Minto> I have something else on my wishlist that would make playing with the other stuff easier. I would like to copy a build target straight to compact flash. 16:40 < Minto> And use that compact flash (CF-ide) to boot up. Anyone with ideas how to best accomplish this? 16:41 < mnemoc_> target's build.sh 16:41 < Minto> Which target should I look at for inspiration? 16:41 < mnemoc_> with helpers on misc/$somthing/ 16:41 < jeru> minto: I already experimenting with CF booting ;) 16:42 < mnemoc_> bootdisk creates images 16:42 < mnemoc_> distcd too 16:42 < jeru> depends on the application 16:42 < Minto> jeru: Jippee 16:42 < jeru> atm using a custom build.sh 16:43 < jeru> and using custom target derived from router target 16:43 < jeru> but it's in a very early stage 16:43 < jeru> but booting from a CF isn't a problem anyway 16:43 < Minto> For a start I plan to have a special fileserver target to boot from CF. 16:43 < jeru> uhmm 16:44 < Minto> I have more plans but to learn thing I want to start of easy. 16:44 < Minto> Could I have a look at your build.sh 16:46 < rxr> psion-pda also creats an image 16:47 < jeru> yep ... but first I'll have to do some cleanups ... it's a bit ugly atm 16:47 < jeru> ype psion-pda is also a good source for experimenting ;) 16:47 < Minto> I will have a look. 16:48 < jeru> the process creating the image is allmost the same 16:48 * mnemoc_ feels the stress flowing through his veins 16:48 < rxr> mnemoc_: ask me .. 16:48 < CIA-2> rene * r7068 /trunk/package/network/tidy/tidy.desc: 16:48 < CIA-2> * updated tidy (050303 -> 050304) - why did we use the /old folder 16:48 < CIA-2> anyway ? 16:49 -!- c4y0 [~c4y0@200.116.158.54] has joined #t2 16:49 < rxr> hi c4y0 16:49 [Users #t2] 16:49 [ _Ragnar__] [ daja77] [ Minto ] [ mtr_] [ valentin] 16:49 [ c4y0 ] [ jeru ] [ mipe ] [ nzg ] 16:49 [ CIA-2 ] [ jsaw_ ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr ] 16:49 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 16:49 < c4y0> hi 16:49 < jeru> hi c4y0 16:49 < mnemoc_> rxr: Should I send them to the mailing list? <--- answer? 16:49 < rxr> oh /me was phoning 16:50 * rxr srollback 16:50 < rxr> sure - list is nice ,-) 16:50 < mnemoc_> *g* 16:51 < Minto> How do want them. As normal attachments or some kind of patch (how to create?) 16:51 < rxr> please as patch 16:51 < CIA-2> rene * r7069 /branches/bleeding/: * removed bleeding branch 16:51 < rxr> attached or inlined I do not care 16:52 < rxr> please no tar 16:52 < mnemoc_> diff -u to apply with -p1 :) 16:52 < rxr> I do not care about the patch leve either ... 16:52 < mnemoc_> diff -u for sure 16:52 < rxr> either create a 2nd checkout and diff -u old new 16:52 < Minto> Does diff work for new files as well? 16:52 < rxr> mnemoc_: ack -u ,-)! 16:52 < rxr> diff -urN 16:52 < Minto> Okay 16:52 < rxr> recursive new 16:53 < rxr> or if only new stuff 16:53 < rxr> svn diff -u /dev/null package/.../the-new-file 16:53 < mnemoc_> hehe 16:53 < rxr> or svn add them and use svn diff ... 16:53 < Minto> Okay, Okay I'll picht one method. 16:53 < Minto> s/picht/pick 16:54 < mnemoc_> svn diff is good 16:54 < mnemoc_> but you need to svn add before 16:55 < rxr> http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/cfu1u.html 16:55 < mipe> hmm,/me dont understand the new menu(browsing) system in www2 16:55 < rxr> it is not yet welldone 16:55 < rxr> the drupal stuff for that is a bit strange 16:55 < rxr> I hope it will improve soon ... 16:57 < rxr> is anyone near buliding my decustmain xorg ? 16:57 < rxr> I have a hotfix but my iBook is still building ... 16:57 -!- keinek_ [~Keinek@201.254.12.227] has joined #t2 16:57 < mipe> when did you change xorg? 16:57 < rxr> but I coudl commit if someone is nar it 16:58 < keinek_> hi 16:58 < rxr> in the morning ... 16:58 < mipe> last night builded it 16:58 < rxr> hi keinek_ 16:58 < mipe> oh 16:58 < jeru> hi keinek 16:58 < keinek_> i think that mnemoc_ is sleeping... 16:58 < rxr> mipe: I decustmained it and injceted the x86-64 changes 16:58 < keinek_> sorry for my english 16:59 < mnemoc_> hi keinek 16:59 < keinek_> mnemoc_ !! 16:59 < rxr> ,-) 16:59 < keinek_> why you dont response in the other channel! 16:59 < keinek_> :) 16:59 < mnemoc_> i have 23 windows on my irssi 16:59 < mipe> rxr:theres still gcc changes not committed and well i wouldnt commit them yet anyway,needs a cleanup because of the lib dir mess 16:59 < keinek_> look at me! speaking english 16:59 < mnemoc_> i can't keep all of them 17:00 < mnemoc_> keinek_: congratulations :) 17:00 < keinek_> all because the T2 dont compile! 17:00 < rxr> T2 don't compile ? 17:00 < mnemoc_> T2 compiles? 17:01 < keinek_> can i copy and paste the error here? 17:01 < rxr> mnemoc_: ? 17:01 < rxr> keinek_: sure 17:01 < c4y0> hi! im creating the t2 iso and apparently i dont have permission! 17:01 < keinek_> yes! 17:01 < c4y0> can be some error on fstab? 17:02 < keinek_> ok... loook 17:02 < rxr> c4y0: permissons for what ? 17:02 < keinek_> == 12:31:55 =[0]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.4-2004-12-24 2.1.0-beta3]. 17:02 < keinek_> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled. 17:02 < keinek_> -> Reading package configuration from package directory. 17:02 < keinek_> -> Preparing build in src.glibc.1110036715.7557.a8c00200 17:02 < keinek_> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out 17:02 < keinek_> !> make[1]: *** [/t2-2.1.0-beta3/build/keinek-2.1.0-beta3-x .. 17:02 < keinek_> !> make[1]: Target `install-headers' not remade because of .. 17:02 < keinek_> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/t2-2.1.0-beta3/src.glibc.11 .. 17:02 < keinek_> !> make: *** [install-headers] Error 2 17:02 < keinek_> !> `../include/features.h' -> `/t2-2.1.0-beta3/build/keinek .. 17:02 < keinek_> !> cp: cannot stat `bits/stdio_lim.h': No such file or dire .. 17:02 < keinek_> !> No 0-glibc.log file. 17:02 < keinek_> -> $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out -> 0-glibc.err 17:02 < keinek_> == 03/05/05 12:32:46 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc. 17:02 < keinek_> debian2:/t2-2.1.0-beta3# ./scripts/Config -cfg keinek 17:02 < keinek_> Creating configuration script. 17:02 < keinek_> T2 2.1.0-beta3 configuration ... 17:02 < mnemoc_> rxr: bash scripts are not compiled :p 17:02 < keinek_> New config written to config/keinek/*. 17:02 < keinek_> Cleaning up. Configuration finished. 17:02 < mipe> rxr:thats fixed on my glibc diff 17:02 < keinek_> the same error i have in the router config 17:02 < keinek_> a bug? 17:02 < rxr> keinek_: which architecture ? 17:02 < mipe> simple typo in glibc.conf 17:02 < keinek_> 32 17:03 < keinek_> i try in athlon xp 17:03 < keinek_> i try almost in pentium mmx 17:03 < keinek_> but... the same error. 17:04 < rxr> mipe: patch handy ? 17:04 < mipe> its in my diff patch 17:04 < c4y0> rxr /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied 17:04 < keinek_> i use the beta 3 T2 17:04 < rxr> c4y0: x86-54 ? 17:04 < CIA-2> amery * r7070 /trunk/package/develop/clip/ (clip.conf clip.desc four_elements_tc_defcolor.patch): * updated clip (1.1.13-154 -> 1.1.14) 17:04 < mnemoc_> o_O 17:04 < rxr> c4y0: x86-64 even ? 17:05 < c4y0> x86 17:05 < rxr> mipe: how was the url ? 17:05 < rxr> c4y0: you are building as root ? 17:05 < c4y0> yes 17:05 < rxr> "interesting" 17:06 < mipe> rxr:http://koti.japo.fi/~pmika/t2-diff 17:06 < rxr> thanks 17:06 < c4y0> look! i change the t2 work partition 17:06 < c4y0> because i create a xfs partition to work in that 17:07 < rxr> + mkdir -p $includedir/bits 17:07 < rxr> ? 17:07 < mipe> yep 17:07 < c4y0> after of that, i receive that error. i think to can be related with the fstab parameters, but i cant found the error 17:07 < c4y0> :( 17:07 < rxr> keinek_: you use a svn checkout ? 17:08 < CIA-2> amery * r7071 /trunk/package/develop/clip/clip.desc: * fixed clip version, it's 1.1.14-1. 17:09 < mnemoc_> rxr: i use the beta 3 T2 17:10 < rxr> keinek_: maybe it is fixed in svn now 17:10 < rxr> could you check it out ? 17:10 < c4y0> done 17:10 < CIA-2> rene * r7072 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: 17:10 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu : 17:10 < CIA-2> * fixed glibc to create $includedir/bits before writing into it 17:10 < keinek_> ok, where i found the svn? 17:11 < keinek_> rxr? 17:11 < c4y0> weeeeeeeee! ready my first t2 iso! XD 17:11 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/download.html 17:11 < mnemoc_> keinek_: svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-trunk 17:11 < rxr> yep 17:11 < keinek_> thanks mnemoc_ 17:11 < rxr> c4y0: what was the problem ? 17:12 < c4y0> parameters on fstab! 17:12 < c4y0> rtfm!!!!!!!!! hehehehe 17:12 < keinek_> ok... debian dont have svn?!? 17:12 < keinek_> what the fu...! 17:12 < mnemoc_> subversion? 17:12 < keinek_> :'( 17:12 < c4y0> keinek_ yes 17:12 < keinek_> ok 17:12 < c4y0> subversion-tools 17:13 < keinek_> i try apt-cache searh... 17:13 < c4y0> apt-get install subversion-tools 17:13 < c4y0> hehehe 17:13 < keinek_> thanks c4y0 17:13 < keinek_> is downloading ... 17:13 < c4y0> ;) 17:14 < keinek_> i think that i learn so much english if i stay here 17:14 < mnemoc_> keinek_: move download and config from your old tree to t2-trunk 17:14 < keinek_> ;) 17:14 < mnemoc_> our english is not the best :) 17:15 < keinek_> i know... 17:15 < c4y0> people! i hope back in a few minutes running my first t2!!!!!!!!! 17:16 < keinek_> ok... if your computer exploit i see you the next week 17:16 < mnemoc_> good luck 17:16 < keinek_> oh yes... good luck 17:16 -!- c4y0 [~c4y0@200.116.158.54] has quit ["Read error: 666 (Connection reset by Satan)"] 17:18 < keinek_> mnemoc_, what is the Mnemosyne Linux? 17:19 < mnemoc_> a target of T2 17:19 < mnemoc_> minimalistic, secure, reliable but not standard 17:21 < keinek_> ok... svn is working... 17:31 < mnemoc_> good 17:32 < CIA-2> amery * r7073 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkg_subversion.conf: * added mnemosyne/subversion config to add a configuration template on apache 18:01 < keinek_> Mmmmm i have the same problem. 18:01 < keinek_> == 14:01:15 =[0]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.4 2.1.0-rc1]. 18:01 < keinek_> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled. 18:01 < keinek_> -> Reading package configuration from package directory. 18:01 < keinek_> -> Preparing build in src.glibc.1110042074.25133.a8c00200 18:01 < keinek_> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out 18:01 < keinek_> !> This is free software; see the source for copying condit .. 18:01 < keinek_> !> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A .. 18:01 < keinek_> !> [ writing debug log to /t2-trunk/src.glibc.1110042074.25 .. 18:01 < keinek_> !> File not found: download/mirror/g/glibc-2.3.4.tar.bz2 18:01 < keinek_> !> Did you run ./scripts/Download for this package? 18:01 < keinek_> !> No 0-glibc.log file. 18:02 < keinek_> -> $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out -> 0-glibc.err 18:02 < keinek_> == 03/05/05 14:01:19 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc. 18:02 < keinek_> debian2:/t2-trunk# 18:02 < keinek_> but now in the the t2-trunk release 18:02 < keinek_> :( 18:03 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFB909.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:03 < rxr> re 18:03 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFB58E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 18:04 < rxr> keinek_: you moved download over and run Download -cfg yours -required? before the build ? 18:04 < keinek_> ups 18:04 < keinek_> i move the download and run ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg keinek 18:04 < keinek_> :) 18:05 < keinek_> ok... y try that 18:06 < keinek_> i think that the download are the same. 18:06 < keinek_> sorry 18:06 < keinek_> ok testing mirrors ... 18:06 < keinek_> ok the glibc-2.3.4.tar.bz2 is downloading ... :) 18:06 < keinek_> thanks rxr 18:06 < rxr> yes - download is mostly the same - but trunk has many many updates 18:07 < rxr> so some stuff will be downloaded 18:07 < rxr> but only the missing pieces 18:07 < keinek_> super! 18:08 < keinek_> i want T2 for routing, and for live cd :) 18:32 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFB58E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 18:33 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFB58E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 18:45 < rxr> mnemoc_: ok - I think tagging the current trunk including linux-header update mid. next week and then pulling gnome 2.10 for -rc1 looks like a plan, ok ? 18:51 < valentin> rxr, mnemoc: can you post a schedule for stable to the list - esp. containing a date for stoping just-for-fun-updates in the stable branch ? 18:52 < valentin> or does -rc1 imply that ? 18:54 < keinek_> ok... i need help again 18:54 < keinek_> please look 18:55 < keinek_> Removing old error logs ... 18:55 < keinek_> -> Removing var/adm/logs/0-glibc.err ... 18:55 < keinek_> == 14:53:22 =[0]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.4 2.1.0-rc1]. 18:55 < keinek_> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled. 18:55 < keinek_> -> Reading package configuration from package directory. 18:55 < keinek_> -> Preparing build in src.glibc.1110045201.7565.a8c00200 18:55 < keinek_> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out 18:55 < keinek_> !> /t2-trunk/build/keinek-2.1.0-beta3-x86-router/TOOLCHAIN/ .. 18:55 < keinek_> !> install: cannot stat `/t2-trunk/src.glibc.1110045201.756 .. 18:55 < keinek_> !> make[1]: *** [/t2-trunk/build/keinek-2.1.0-beta3-x86-rou .. 18:55 < keinek_> !> make[1]: Target `install-headers' not remade because of .. 18:55 < keinek_> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/t2-trunk/src.glibc.11100452 .. 18:55 < keinek_> !> make: *** [install-headers] Error 2 18:55 < keinek_> !> No 0-glibc.log file. 18:55 < keinek_> -> $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out -> 0-glibc.err 18:55 < keinek_> == 03/05/05 14:54:14 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc. 18:55 < keinek_> debian2:/t2-trunk# 19:09 < keinek_> ***BUG in Autoconf--please report*** AC_FD_MSG 19:09 < keinek_> make[1]: *** [sysdeps/i386/elf/configure] Error 1 19:09 < keinek_> this error is in the file 0-glibc.err 19:29 -!- jeru_ [~jeru@p54BFDE5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 19:31 -!- CIA-2 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 19:31 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 19:34 -!- jeru_ [~jeru@p54BFDE5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 19:45 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFB58E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:52 < mnemoc_> rxr: ok 19:53 < mnemoc_> keinek_: you may need to update your host machine i guess 19:54 < mnemoc_> valentin: since -rc1 release 2.1.x shall be config/prefix/api/abi stable 19:55 < keinek_> ok... i will install an old rock linux 19:55 < mnemoc_> keinek_: you can download a T2 iso 19:55 -!- jeru_ [~jeru@p54BFDE5C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 19:56 < keinek_> yes but i have 3 cd of rock linux now 19:56 < mnemoc_> it's up to you 19:56 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 19:57 < keinek_> i so so tired... 19:59 < mnemoc> sleep :) 19:59 < keinek_> i like have one iso that prepare my computer for guess T2 19:59 < keinek_> ¿why dont do that? 20:00 < mnemoc> no entendi nada de lo que intentaste decir 20:00 < keinek_> jejeje 20:00 < keinek_> ok 20:00 < Minto> Adding Qingy was pretty easy. Builds fine. But still have to check if it is working. 20:00 < valentin> keinek_: you could update your auto* 20:00 < keinek_> me gustaria tener una iso que prepare el equipo para crear cualquier tipo de proyecto de t2 20:00 < keinek_> :P 20:00 < mipe> keinek_:aptitude update && aptitude upgrade 20:00 < mnemoc> keinek_: any T2 iso let you build T2 20:00 * valentin rebooting from OSuX -> linux 20:01 < keinek_> and any rock linux? 20:01 < mnemoc> i hope so 20:01 < mnemoc> but as valentin said, updating your autoconf and automake might be enough 20:01 < keinek_> i hope too 20:02 < Minto> Gotto go now. I have visitors. bye 20:02 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.5/20041110]"] 20:02 < keinek_> ok i try 20:04 < keinek_> aptitude update && aptitude upgrade is idem that "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade"? 20:04 < rxr> re 20:05 < valentin> re 20:08 < mnemoc> re rxr, valentin 20:12 < rxr> linux-header updated tree in stage 3 now 20:13 < CIA-9> rene * r7074 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/xorg.conf: * fixed my xorg quoting of new decustmained code - tested this time ,-) 20:14 < mnemoc> :D 20:24 < rxr> mnemoc: linux-header update in 6-glibc ... 20:24 < rxr> 5- even 20:25 < rxr> commit now or after more progress ? 20:25 < mnemoc> let's wait a bit :) 20:25 < rxr> :-( 20:25 < rxr> == 03/05/05 20:21:22 =[9]=> Finished building package xorg-doc. 20:25 < rxr> good decustmained never built xorg-doc still builds *g* 20:26 < mnemoc> uhm? 20:26 < mnemoc> :) 20:26 < rxr> flist ok, too 20:28 < rxr> == 03/05/05 20:28:11 =[9]=> Finished building package xorg-cyrillic-fonts. 20:29 < rxr> hehe - so - those are build this year ... so I can mine -rf them again ... 20:31 < rxr> http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=420 20:31 < rxr> ^- a first look at ooo 2.0 20:32 < rxr> OpenOffice.org 2.0 20:33 < mnemoc> .oO( i have to finish that too )o 20:33 < rxr> could you commit? 20:33 < rxr> or is it all in trunk ? 20:33 < mnemoc> no yet, i have a problem with a 'source' 20:34 < rxr> source ? 20:35 < mnemoc> their configure generates a 'sourceable' file 20:35 < mnemoc> which sets the env 20:37 < rxr> mnemoc: I change the cache generation to output one dep in one line, ok ? 20:38 < rxr> (so future diffs are not that noidy) 20:38 < rxr> noisy 20:38 -!- asongwe1 [~admin@192.116.128.39] has joined #t2 20:39 < mnemoc> $pkg.deps ? 20:39 < jeru_> hi asongew 20:39 < rxr> well - when the .cache is nearly empty they can stay in it ... 20:39 < rxr> more copmatible to existing tools ... 20:39 < mnemoc> true 20:39 < mnemoc> but [DEP] is an overhead 20:39 < mnemoc> ok 20:39 < rxr> hehe, yes it is ... 20:39 < mnemoc> .deps for 2.2 20:39 < rxr> hm 20:40 < mnemoc> :p 20:40 < asongwe1> Jeru u there? 20:40 < rxr> if - then it would be nicer for 2.1 ... 20:40 < mnemoc> yes 20:40 < mnemoc> :) 20:40 < rxr> maybe dump .cache at all then ... 20:40 < jeru_> hi asongwe 20:40 < rxr> so not so many milions of bilions of lingering files ... 20:40 < rxr> ? 20:40 < asongwe1> Hi Jeru 20:40 < mnemoc> .cache is build info 20:41 < mnemoc> like if it's broken or not 20:41 < rxr> (none really needs and is just white noise in commits ...) 20:41 < rxr> I removed that info today ... 20:41 < mnemoc> oh 20:41 < rxr> we do not need it in the system 20:41 < rxr> all should build - dot 20:41 < mnemoc> in that case remove the whole cache 20:41 < rxr> and if some nice graph and verboe info should be in the regtester - not in the source ... 20:42 < rxr> well - in fact I like 2 infos in it: size and time 20:42 < mnemoc> cat $pkg.deps | while read $dep $atributes; do 20:42 < rxr> that is a useful information for the system to estimate e.g. live-cd fillup and build time ... 20:42 < mnemoc> buildtime is nice is we can give an estimation on 'current machine' 20:43 < CIA-9> rene * r7075 /trunk/package/x11/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 20:43 < CIA-9> * injected .cache files for the optional and seldom built xorg-doc 20:43 < CIA-9> and xorg-cyrillic-fonts 20:43 < rxr> need to introduce some system-speed factor ... 20:44 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe just leave it this way - .cache is cached build information 20:44 < rxr> just less 20:44 < rxr> [DEP] is an overhead - but compresses well away 20:44 < rxr> I like one .cache more thatn 2 or 3 files ... 20:45 < mnemoc> yep 20:45 < rxr> and the deps can be obtained by grep '\[DEP\]' .cache | cut or sed ... 20:45 < mnemoc> but on 2.2 we will need to disntiguish diferent kind of dependencies 20:45 < rxr> hm - trzue - including version num,ber ... 20:46 < rxr> let's just extend it then - old tools would only need a tine cut sed expression change ... 20:46 < mnemoc> ack 20:46 < rxr> to strip additional fields - and the [DEP] overhead would be smaller if additional rows are added ... 20:47 < rxr> hey - and /var/adm/dependencies is already one dep at a line 20:47 < rxr> ,-) 20:48 < rxr> just with senseless $pkg: prepended ... 20:48 < mnemoc> /var/adm/dependencies are only available on runing machine :) 20:48 < rxr> I know - but we do not need much processing 20:49 < rxr> doing one line deps in .cahe is just about removing one | fmt in Build-Pkg 20:49 < mnemoc> :) 20:50 < rxr> - if [ "$pkg" != "t2-debug" -a -f $x ]; then 20:50 < rxr> - cut -f2- -d' ' "$x" | \ 20:50 < rxr> - fmt -70 | sed 's,^,[DEP] ,' 20:50 < rxr> - echo 20:50 < rxr> - fi 20:50 < rxr> + [ "$pkg" != "t2-debug" -a -f $x ] && 20:50 < rxr> + cut -f2- -d' ' "$x" | sed 's,^,[DEP] ,' 20:50 < rxr> I hit commit ... 20:51 < rxr> or I change this to one sed ... 20:51 < mnemoc> one sed 20:51 < rxr> sed 's,^[^:]*:,[DEP],' 20:51 < rxr> all fine ? 20:52 < mnemoc> i think so 20:54 < mnemoc> what is dmake? 20:54 < rxr> no idea 20:54 < CIA-9> rene * r7076 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: 20:54 < CIA-9> * simplified scripts/Build-Pkg to create .cache files with one line 20:54 < CIA-9> dependencies (to make diffs less noisy and support additinal fields 20:54 < CIA-9> in future releases) 20:54 < rxr> yet another make implementation that barely works right ? 20:54 < mnemoc> ooo claims to need that 20:55 < mnemoc> it also needs tcsh! 20:55 < mnemoc> for building 20:57 < rxr> .oOOO 20:57 < rxr> OOOOOO 20:58 < rxr> 5-glibc finished 20:58 < rxr> 5-linux26 running ... 20:58 < mnemoc> go go go 21:03 < rxr> http://www.geeks.cl/t2-mirror/2.1/ is down ? 21:03 < rxr> yep 21:03 < mnemoc> yes 21:04 < rxr> should I permanetly use your other to pull the clip patches ? 21:04 < mnemoc> add a translation on your machine to download clip stuff from my mirror :) 21:05 < rxr> I had to your other .. 21:05 < rxr> first box ... 21:05 < mnemoc> it will be back today 21:06 < mnemoc> i'm reconstructing that server 21:10 < rxr> no problem 21:14 < mnemoc> rxr: can you test the mirror now? 21:15 < rxr> ouhm - get a DOWNTEST file 21:15 < rxr> and I was just debugging why curl returns ok ... !!! 21:15 < rxr> bastard .... 21:15 * rxr grummel ... 21:15 < mnemoc> mom 21:15 < mnemoc> i'll remove it 21:16 < rxr> no 21:16 < rxr> I just use downtest2 ... 21:16 < rxr> was just joking ... 21:16 < mnemoc> ok, restoring the file 21:16 < rxr> I already changed to the other mirror of you for the clips download ... 21:17 < mnemoc> both have it 21:17 < mnemoc> t2 download by cron 21:17 < mnemoc> once per hour 21:17 < mnemoc> t2.geeks.cl i mean 21:17 < mnemoc> www.geeks.cl download by hand 21:18 < mnemoc> and they get sync every 4 hours 21:18 < rxr> what is with your first one? online for future use? 21:18 < mnemoc> yes 21:18 < mnemoc> back to stay 21:18 < rxr> I mean you just need to tell me which I should use to grap the file. 21:19 < mnemoc> www.geeks.cl get the file before t2.geeks.cl 21:22 < CIA-9> rene * r7077 /trunk/scripts/Download: 21:22 < CIA-9> * moved -f (silent fail without error document download) from the 21:22 < CIA-9> actual file download to the global curl options so it is also used 21:22 < CIA-9> for mirror checks and co (and the error document download is not 21:22 < CIA-9> used to measure mirror speed ...) 21:23 < rxr> so - bug fixed ,-) 21:23 < CIA-9> rene * r7078 /trunk/scripts/Download: * removed debug set -x - sorry 21:23 < rxr> mnemoc: could you remove the file for a test ? 21:23 < rxr> the DOWNTEST one .. 21:23 < rxr> (rename even) 21:24 < mnemoc> done 21:24 < mnemoc> mv DOWNTEST .. 21:24 < rxr> ok restore 21:24 < mnemoc> done 21:24 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 62630.000 21:24 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 62821.000 21:24 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... error 21:24 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 17440.000 21:24 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 50044.000 21:24 < rxr> INFO: Using mirror . 21:24 < rxr> as expected ... 21:25 < mnemoc> {0,1,2}.de.t2-project.org ? {0,1}.cl.t2-project.org ? 21:28 < rxr> dl{,2,3} ... ? 21:29 < mnemoc> dl{,2,3}.de.t2-project.org? 21:29 < rxr> or we keep it less professional and more community driven looking ... 21:30 < mnemoc> :) 21:31 < rxr> well - we pay some EUR per year - we could also utilize the domain a bit more .. - including more professional appearance ... *g* 21:31 < rxr> what's your vote ? 21:32 < mnemoc> dl{,2,3}.de.t2-project.org and dl{,2}.cl.t2-project.org 21:32 < rxr> I wonder what tobias will think about this ... 21:32 -!- keinek_ [~Keinek@201.254.12.227] has quit ["Abandonando"] 21:32 < rxr> (my nameserver provider ,-) 21:32 < rxr> and rock linux stable release maintainer *g* 21:34 < rxr> mnemoc: did kde-i18n-* built for you? 21:34 < rxr> or did you not try ... ? 21:35 < mnemoc> last time the failed due to kdebase 21:35 < mnemoc> should i retry kdebase? 21:35 < rxr> hm ok 21:35 < rxr> yes - please 21:35 < rxr> i wanted to know if you also get the usermake missing error as reported here ... 21:35 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg ref -remove kdebase 21:35 < rxr> I try on my iBook ... 21:35 < rxr> > IBM's AIX 4.3 and later support LZ compression on their JFS file system. 21:35 < rxr> > I was able to measure a 10-15% speed-up by converting /usr to compressed 21:35 < rxr> > even on a 133MZ Power604e chip because even back then, it was faster to 21:35 < rxr> > read half as many blocks off a SCSI disk and decompress. 21:35 < rxr> Interesting. 21:35 < rxr> cool 21:35 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg ref -job 5-kdebase 21:36 < mnemoc> on intel MHz, what is a 133MZ Power604e? 21:36 * rxr wants a lzo compressing reiser4 ... *g* 21:36 < rxr> hard to tell ... 21:37 < rxr> before my RISC experience I would have said 166Mhz PII ... 21:37 < rxr> but this really depends on the instruction style used by the specific program benchmark ... 21:37 < rxr> and the kind of RISC ... 21:37 < rxr> early PowerPC have not been that well ... 21:37 < rxr> even the G3 in my iBook is not that good 21:38 < rxr> far too few parallel processing units 21:38 < rxr> IIRC only one intenger and floating unit and 2 1/2 assed integer add ons .. 21:38 < rxr> that can do nearly nothing but trivial load store and so on ... 21:39 < rxr> IIRC - I tend to forget such detais quite quickly these days .. 21:39 < rxr> but lzo compressing fs is really nice in any case - IMO 21:39 < mnemoc> :) 21:39 < rxr> !> WARNING: use unsermake instead of make or use a wrapper .. 21:39 < rxr> ok - me pa!> make: unsermake: Command not found 21:39 < rxr> ok - me packaging 21:39 < mnemoc> packaging? 21:39 < rxr> unsermake 21:40 < mnemoc> :) 21:40 < rxr> WARNING: use unsermake instead of make or use a wrapper script, e.g. makeobj!!! 21:40 < rxr> exit 21:40 < rxr> wrong window ... 21:40 < mnemoc> have you used rox-filer? 21:41 < rxr> nope 21:42 < mipe> unsermake is from kde-i18n-* 21:42 < rxr> Unsermake is written in Python and does not need to be compiled. 21:42 < mipe> ? 21:42 < rxr> unsermake is a general kde project make replacement thing ... 21:43 < rxr> and seems to be required since 3.4-rc AFAICS 21:44 < mipe> i got that from kde-i18n-* too,and did checkout from kde cvs,but didnt try to install,all the "doesnt not work yet propely" warnings got me feared. making alias unsermake of make,might get it working. 21:45 < mipe> since its more or less the same as make,just makes on big makefile rather than several small ones. atleast thats what i understood it 21:46 < rxr> seems to be modelled the same way as scons - like better parallel build and co in mind .. 21:46 < mnemoc> == 03/05/05 17:45:39 =[5]=> Aborted building package kdebase. 21:46 < mnemoc> pop3.cc:477: error: at this point in file 21:46 < mnemoc> pop3.cc:481: error: `sasl_errdetail' undeclared (first use this function) 21:47 < rxr> no sasl here .. 21:47 < rxr> can you try disabling this sasl support ? 21:47 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["sleep"] 21:47 < mnemoc> there is nothing about sasl on ./configure 21:47 < rxr> maybe subdir configures ? 21:48 < mnemoc> --with-extra-includes= 21:53 < rxr> ? 21:53 < mnemoc> that's what Debian rules use to give sasl path 21:53 < rxr> is the header not found ? 21:54 < mnemoc> it seem so 21:54 < rxr> then try that ... *g* 21:56 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 21:58 < rxr> /bin/sh: line 1: 29517 Segmentation fault (core dumped) /opt/kde3/bin/meinproc --stylesheet /opt/kde3/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/kde-man.xsl /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/src.kde-i18n-de.1110054910.23769.263c0a8/kde-i18n-de-3.4.0/docs/kdegames/kpat/man-kpat.6.docbook 21:58 < rxr> Error creating ../../../docs/kdegames/kpat/kpat.6. Exit status 139. 21:58 < mipe> http://koti.japo.fi/~pmika/libtool-link-lib64.patch 21:58 < rxr> with checks it complains ... 21:58 < mipe> at above url prover patch file replacement for freetype/libtool-link-lib64.patch 21:59 < mipe> old one didnt apply for some reason 21:59 < mnemoc> i guess i'll use {GCC,CXX}_WRAPPER_APPEND 22:00 < mipe> but back to bed... 22:00 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["sleep"] 22:03 < mnemoc> i hate the morbous obesity of kde pacakges 22:16 < rxr> thanks mipe 22:19 < CIA-9> rene * r7079 /trunk/package/x11/freetype/libtool-link-lib64.patch: 22:19 < CIA-9> Mika Pesu : 22:19 < CIA-9> * fixed freetype/libtool-link-lib64.patch to actually apply 22:21 * mnemoc kicks kde cow} 22:22 < rxr> [5] base/linux26 22:22 < rxr> 1063 builds total, 125 completed fine, 1 with errors. 22:22 < mnemoc> :( 22:22 < rxr> acx 22:22 < mnemoc> again? 22:23 < rxr> new issue with .11 I think 22:24 < mnemoc> we have the last version of it :( 22:24 < rxr> I try to patch 22:24 < mnemoc> patch the patch? :) 22:25 < rxr> patch ? 22:25 * rxr looking confused 22:25 < mnemoc> jk 22:26 < rxr> if we are lucky just a static field was removed that is used in debuging printk ... 22:26 < rxr> oh - yes .. 22:26 < rxr> cool 22:26 * rxr diffinf ... 22:27 < mnemoc> :) 22:27 < rxr> mv acx100-0.2.0pre8_plus_fixes_45/ acx100-0.2.0pre8_plus_fixes_45-fixed 22:27 < rxr> ,-) 22:30 < rxr> untested means I have not fully rebuild the kernel right now .. 22:30 < rxr> want to let the normal packages proceed further ... 22:30 < rxr> so I can fix other things before I enter bed (soon) 22:31 < mnemoc> ack 22:31 < CIA-9> rene * r7080 /trunk/package/network/acx100/linux-2.6.11.patch: * fixed acx100 for linux-2.6.11 - untested but should do 22:33 < rxr> == 03/05/05 22:33:17 =[5]=> Finished building package gnupth. 22:33 < rxr> == 22:33:20 =[5]=> Building filesystem/sysfsutils [1.2.0 2.1.0-rc1]. 22:33 < rxr> 1063 builds total, 140 completed fine, 1 with errors. 22:35 < rxr> so far .11 headers do not look that bad ... 22:36 < mnemoc> finally stabilized? 22:36 < rxr> doublt be intentino - maybe accidently ... 22:39 < mnemoc> :) 22:48 < CIA-9> rene * r7081 /trunk/package/ (x11/xcompmgr/ x11-ng/xcompmgr/): * moved x11/xcompmgr into x11-ng 22:56 < mnemoc> http://scm.sipfoundry.org/svndoc/apb.html#svn-ap-b-sect-1.2.15 22:57 < mnemoc> but i don't see the overlap on my config 22:57 < rxr> Location /www/foo>, but you've also set your DocumentRoot to be /www 22:57 < rxr> ? 22:58 < mnemoc> to me that means /www/www/foo 22:58 < rxr> what do you ahve ? 22:59 < rxr> or in private 23:06 < CIA-9> rene * r7082 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: 23:06 < CIA-9> * first desktop target diet (untested) but also added wavemon, nload 23:06 < CIA-9> and acx100 23:09 < mnemoc> rene: hostap 23:14 < rxr> so next much removed 23:14 < rxr> bunch .. 23:14 < rxr> damn 23:14 < rxr> my typing degrades should serach for the bed soon 23:14 < mnemoc> :) 23:15 < CIA-9> rene * r7083 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: 23:15 < CIA-9> * desktop audio filtered for the most useful stuff - untested 23:15 < CIA-9> * hostap added 23:21 < CIA-9> rene * r7084 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * desktop target graphic packages filtered 23:26 < CIA-9> rene * r7085 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * desktop mutlimedia packages filtered 23:28 < rxr> most packages are by far gnome ... 23:28 < rxr> (now) 23:29 < rxr> oceans' ^W top eleven: 23:29 < rxr> 24 multimedia 23:29 < rxr> 26 graphic 23:29 < rxr> 27 gnome14 23:29 < rxr> 28 x11 23:29 < rxr> 30 filesystem 23:29 < rxr> 32 perl 23:29 < rxr> 34 kde 23:29 < rxr> 36 audio 23:29 < rxr> 39 network 23:29 < rxr> 139 base 23:29 < rxr> 165 gnome2 23:29 < rxr> guess I have to filter gnome down to the fial core stuff for the desktop target sometime soon 23:30 < mnemoc> as i have said, i prefer lot of micro-projects than a fat kdedevelop 23:30 < rxr> oh - particular kdeveop gets very good 23:31 < rxr> in general the kde projects do very well - and the cool thing they are not fat - look at the gnome favoured ooo 23:31 < rxr> we still can not build it ... 23:31 < rxr> koffice builds for years and runs on a < 200Mhz Pentium ... 23:31 < mnemoc> but you have to accept the whole beast or nothing 23:32 < rxr> of course it lacks some import export functionality - but it is clean and scaled in a way where I was able to track problems in the soutrce myself - without ever looking at the code before ... 23:32 < rxr> not really .. 23:32 < rxr> kdelib and kdebase give you a quite nice kde base system 23:32 < rxr> even including Konqueror for web browsing ... 23:33 < rxr> and I think koffice only has the kdelibs kdebase as deps ... - so ... 23:33 < mnemoc> including including including... my problem is with excluding 23:33 < mnemoc> i like firfox 23:33 < rxr> some stuff could be finter grained - e.g to just get kamil wihtout the rest of kdepim ... 23:33 < mnemoc> and i don't want a second browser using space on my machine 23:33 < rxr> but compared to the gnome night mare ... 23:34 < rxr> you can do in your garget 23:34 < rxr> set some SUBDIRS on make and you go ... 23:34 < mnemoc> two highly different 'software engineering' approaches 23:35 < rxr> well - slackware even dropped (at least considered it - but I think they have) gnome due to the maintain nightmare ... 23:35 < rxr> and kde packages tend to be way more stable and functional ... 23:35 < rxr> e.g. any kioslave (http,ftp,scp,ssh,...) file access out of any kde program ... 23:35 < mnemoc> i know 23:36 < rxr> embedding ... - of kpdf, html, keditor components i 23:36 < rxr> up to koffice parts in kviews (like konqueror but also others ...) 23:36 < rxr> bonobo does after years of hacking not work ... 23:36 < mnemoc> but this is like religion, you wont convince me that approach is better :) i prefer minimalistic and modular stuff 23:36 < rxr> seen a abiword or gnumeric in your nautilus 23:36 < rxr> not even talking about a html component for nautilus ... 23:36 < mnemoc> KDE software is much better than gnome's 23:37 < mnemoc> and if i would be able to install just umbralla (example) i would be really happy 23:37 < mnemoc> but i'm not 23:38 < rxr> well - with kdelibs and kdesdk you get a bit more ... - but compared to the many many gnome deps you have to sort out first ... 23:38 < mnemoc> i can play with SUBDIRS but probably it will be a disaster 23:38 < rxr> but yes - this is a difference 23:38 < rxr> like the gnome deps desaster ? 23:38 < mnemoc> i don't consider gnome deps a disaster :) 23:39 < rxr> well - it was fun wen I initally sorted them - before we had the dep helper ... 23:39 < mnemoc> i can imagine that :D 23:40 < rxr> but I think the gnome problem is not the packaging - but C as base - it does not scale for a intuitive modern (read ftp http ... file access and embedding) desktop world ... 23:41 < rxr> package/kde/kdeedu/kdeedu.conf 23:41 < rxr> ^- might be a help when you want parts of kde ... 23:41 < rxr> no idea if it is officially supported - but what I use to disable parts that do not compile on non x86 arches ... 23:42 < mnemoc> i think mono will help them a lot 23:42 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 23:42 < rxr> grep NOT_COMPILE package/kde/*/* 23:42 -!- CIA-2 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 23:43 < rxr> mnemoc: gnome people always sayed Onject Orient languages are eveil and so is C++ and ... 23:43 < rxr> in gnome 3 they use mono and are where kde was years before *g* 23:43 < rxr> *g* 23:44 < rxr> so - to my brother taking a look into his iee1394 sbp2 storage problem ... 23:44 < mnemoc> *G* :) 23:57 < mnemoc> can i set --no-auth-cache to be always used? 23:58 < mnemoc> i mean, i don't want auth-cache on a machine --- Log closed Sun Mar 06 00:00:36 2005