--- Log opened Sat Mar 05 00:00:05 2005
--- Day changed Sat Mar 05 2005
00:00 < rxr> lol
00:00 < jsaw_> .oO(?)
00:00 < mnemoc> jeru: your zope is not compatible with our python
00:03 < rxr> mnemoc: can you edit my pages ?
00:05 < mnemoc> now i can :)
00:05 < rxr> now ?
00:05 < rxr> not previously ?
00:05 < rxr> or no ? *g*
00:05 < mnemoc> mom
00:05 < mnemoc> no, not yours but i can pascal's
00:08 < rxr> .oO
00:08 < rxr> phone rining again ....
00:08 < rxr> mnemoc: I added a new role
00:08 < rxr> adminisrative users - will add you jsaw_ and valentin to it ...
00:08 < mnemoc> book name=home <--- ugly
00:09 < rxr> yes
00:09 < mnemoc> Home -> Home -> Page on nav bar
00:10 < jeru> mnemoc: what's the problem with zope ?
00:10 < mnemoc> jeru: don't build with python 2.4
00:10 < jeru> ahh I see
00:12 < jeru> mnemoc: does zope build?
00:12 < mnemoc> no
00:12 < mnemoc> it doesn't build with python 2.4
00:12 < rxr> mysql> delete from cache;
00:12 < rxr> Query OK, 31 rows affected (0.04 sec)
00:14 < mnemoc> daja77: query!
00:14 < jeru> mnemoc: I know it works with 2.4 ... will add a patch ... wait a little bit ... have to build python 2.4
00:16 < rxr> why the *hit f*cking h*ll doe smy new role doe snot show up for check on the user pages ...
00:16 < rxr> damn
00:17 < rxr> oh - me blinded ...
00:17 < rxr> time to go to bed ....
00:18 < rxr> mnemoc: you are administrative user now ...
00:18 < rxr> try if you see the admin block now ...
00:18 < rxr> and be able to edit my pages ...
00:18 < mnemoc> :)
00:18 < rxr> jsaw_: ou are, too
00:19 < jsaw_> oh, thanks ;)
00:19 < jeru> rxr: just drink a cup of green tee and your eyes will "recover" ;)
00:19 < rxr> doublt ...
00:19 < rxr> doubt that ...
00:20 < jsaw_> can somebody explain me, why 0-glibc is build if it is not even in the config/*/packages file?
00:20 < rxr> mnemoc: are the more rights a help ?
00:20 < mnemoc> sure :)
00:20 < rxr> oehm - should not ...
00:20 < mnemoc> :\
00:20 < rxr> jsaw_: in my glibc less targets glibc is not built ...
00:20 < rxr> mnemoc: should nto to jsaw_ not your perms ...
00:28 < rxr> so anything important?
00:28 * rxr shifting into bed ...
00:28 < jsaw_> cu rxr
00:28 < jeru> rxr: sleep well
00:29 < _Ragnar_> nini
00:31 < rxr> ,-) you to - n8 all
00:32 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
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00:44 < CIA-9> jeru * r7035 /trunk/package/network/zope/configure-python24.patch: * added patch to build zope with Python 2.4
00:45 < jeru> mnemoc: try this patch ... anyway Python 2.4 is not officially supported but it works quite some time for me ;)
00:52 < jsaw_> mnemoc: can you explain me the last 5 lines in set_confopt (scripts/functions)?
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01:27 < mnemoc> re
01:29 < mnemoc> jsaw_: that's not mine.... but afaisi it's the crossability of stage 0
01:31 < mnemoc> jsaw_: what is making you doubt there?
01:32 < mnemoc> jsaw_: i'm sure you understand it much more than i
01:34 < mnemoc> jeru: == 03/04/05 21:35:24 =[5]=> Finished building package zope.
01:35 < jeru> :)
01:36 < mnemoc> :)
01:36 < mnemoc> does it run correclty?
01:36 < jsaw_> mnemoc: the usage of arch_build and arch_target confuses me
01:37 < mnemoc> yes, thats weird
01:38 < jeru> mnemoc: it works ...
01:38 < mnemoc> :D
01:39 < jeru> try to create a zope instance with:
01:39 < jeru> # mkzopeinstance.py
01:39 < mnemoc> nah ;) i don't want to contamine my ref build
01:39 < jeru> ahh ok ... thought you've test machine :)
01:41 < mnemoc> my laptop :p
01:42 < jeru> yeah ... contamine your laptop ... :D
01:42 < mnemoc> no thanks :p
01:42 < mnemoc> you did it for me
01:43 < jeru> it looks so :)
01:46 < mnemoc> 1457 builds total, 1385 completed fine, 71 with errors.
01:46 < mnemoc> but that includes lot of not commited updates
01:46 < mnemoc> and some like libexif which broke nautilus, and it most gnome
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01:48 < c4y0> hi!
01:49 < jeru> hi c4y0
01:49 < jsaw_> I think I can have a rendezvous with my bed, finally...
01:49 < jsaw_> g'night all!
01:50 < jeru> good night jsaw ...
01:51 < mnemoc> gn8 js*
01:51 < mnemoc> hi c4y0
01:51 < c4y0> =)
01:51 < mnemoc> c4y0: will you use T2 some day?
01:51 < c4y0> yep!
01:52 < c4y0> some day!
01:52 < c4y0> hehehe
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02:07 < jeru> mnemoc: vserver disc quotas don't work atm ?
02:08 < mnemoc> the project seems to be abandoned
02:09 < mnemoc> but the one for 2.4 should be working
02:09 < jeru> hmmm ... really ... the whole vserver project ?
02:09 < mnemoc> no no
02:09 < mnemoc> per context quota
02:09 < jeru> ahh ok ...
02:10 < mnemoc> but herbert got a job offer from 'virtuozzo'
02:10 < mnemoc> the comercial competitor of vserver
02:10 < jeru> so you think, things are getting worse?
02:11 < mnemoc> people think he wont be able to continue leading vserver
02:11 < mnemoc> but he is not sure yet, afaik
02:11 < jeru> hmmm :|
02:12 < jeru> do you know another alternative?
02:12 < jeru> have to migrate a server this weekend from gentoo (pimp os ;) -> t2 (syne)
02:12 < mnemoc> :D
02:12 < mnemoc> vserver still the best alternative
02:13 < mnemoc> and i'm sure it will continue kicking :)
02:13 < jeru> ok ... hope it will work ... because the machine is at a remote location (data centre)
02:13 < jeru> some 400km away from me
02:14 < mnemoc> having context on kernel doesn't change anything on the running machine if you don't configure it
02:14 < mnemoc> context 0 is just a normal linux machine
02:14 < jeru> yeah I know ... have some machines at work running with a lot of vservers :)
02:14 < mnemoc> :D
02:15 < mnemoc> vserver rules :p
02:15 < jeru> yeah it's very nice
02:15 < mnemoc> it's amazingly cheap and highly secure
02:15 < jeru> have you used vserver in combination with ipvs?
02:16 < mnemoc> yes
02:16 < jeru> does it work well?
02:16 < mnemoc> perfect :p
02:16 < jeru> :D
02:16 < mnemoc> once i had a toy-cluster of apache servers on the director :p
02:17 < jeru> ok .. then you've to be online the whole weekend ... that I've somebody to ask for help ;D
02:17 < mnemoc> hehe
02:17 < jeru> you're not permited to sleep :D
02:17 < mnemoc> :p
02:18 < mnemoc> i love the idea of getting feedback about mnemosyne
02:18 < jeru> yeah ... you will get it :D
02:18 < mnemoc> :)
02:19 < jeru> what about the exam you had today? do you have a godd feeling?
02:19 < mnemoc> yes, i found it easy :p
02:19 < mnemoc> but it was a cappella, and i'll know the resutls on april 15
02:20 < jeru> ok ... sounds good :)
02:21 < mnemoc> i have a second chance on augost
02:22 < mnemoc> i didn't planned to give it this time, but .. i did it :p
02:22 < jeru> so it was quite spontanous :D
02:23 < mnemoc> "he clearly pointed out that his company has some
02:23 < mnemoc> interest, that virtualization techniques - like the
02:23 < mnemoc> one linux-vserver uses - 'gain momentum' in the face
02:23 < mnemoc> of system emulators like VMware(tm) and partitioning
02:23 < mnemoc> approaches like Xen. he also told me that they are
02:23 < mnemoc> watching this project very closely and that, while
02:23 < mnemoc> it is small compared to their products, it's quite
02:23 < mnemoc> interesting ..."
02:23 < mnemoc> that's from a mail from herbert after talking with virtuozzo's owner
02:24 < mnemoc> jeru: yeah, i had nothing to loose so.... :)
02:24 < jeru> I see ... damn commercial virtuozzo gang
02:25 < jeru> have you ever used their products ?
02:26 < mnemoc> nope :p
02:26 < mnemoc> you?
02:26 < jeru> nope :D
02:27 < mnemoc> i hope vserver don't get orphan again
02:27 < jeru> mee too
02:29 < jeru> but what about rsbac ?... they've ported the "bsd ip jails" as I've seen, but never used it
02:30 < mnemoc> i have that abandoned :p
02:30 < mnemoc> i would love to have 40 hours per day :\
02:30 < jeru> why?
02:30 < jeru> haha
02:30 < mnemoc> i want PAX too
02:31 < mnemoc> PAX+vserver :)
02:31 < jeru> +grsec perhaps?
02:31 < mnemoc> yes, but the ability to have PAX-only
02:32 < mnemoc> those are the security packages i have pending
02:32 < mnemoc> but i need a recient linux 26 as linux-header to keep it consistent
02:33 < jeru> I see ...
02:35 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if grsec+vserver patches apply together
02:35 < mnemoc> i guess not
02:41 < jeru> hmmm ... yeah unfortunately you could be right with your assumption :|
02:43 < mnemoc> and if rsbac now includes networking stuff it wont apply neither
02:44 < CIA-13> jeru * r7036 /trunk/package/base/00-dirtree/00-dirtree.conf: * added missing quote
02:44 < jeru> ^ typo
02:54 < jeru> hmmm ... my remote build server is quite fast :)
02:57 < jeru> mnemoc: target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/SYSLOG.syslog-ng.choice ?
03:02 < CIA-13> jeru * r7037 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/ (5 files): * added SYSLOG options
03:02 < jeru> shit comitted wrong ... will revert
03:05 < mnemoc> re
03:06 < jeru> mnemoc: how do I revert my last commit?
03:06 < mnemoc> you have to merge the negative and commit again
03:06 < mnemoc> but let me review it
03:06 < mnemoc> why syslog-ng?
03:07 < mnemoc> uhm
03:07 < jeru> just optional
03:07 < mnemoc> bad commit
03:07 < jeru> :/
03:07 < jeru> sorry
03:07 < mnemoc> sYSLOG.none??
03:07 < mnemoc> what is a none?
03:08 < mnemoc> you always need to have one
03:08 < mnemoc> SYSLOG.socklog.choice
03:08 < mnemoc> #Default: socklog
03:08 < jeru> ok ...
03:08 < jeru> it was just meant optional
03:09 < mnemoc> yes, syslog-ng is an option
03:09 < jeru> but I think I'm too tired right now have to sleep
03:09 < mnemoc> -ROCKCFGSET_INIT=runit
03:09 < mnemoc> +ROCKCFGSET_INIT=$ROCKCFG_TRG_MNEMOSYNE_INIT
03:09 < mnemoc> ?
03:10 < mnemoc> do you revert or i do?
03:10 < mnemoc> pam can be Security/pam.ask
03:10 < mnemoc> #Default: 1 to preserve current behavior
03:10 < jeru> please show me the command line ... and I will do it .. had never reverted ...
03:11 < mnemoc> svn merge -r(i+1):(i) .
03:11 < mnemoc> that's a negative merge
03:11 < mnemoc> from (i+1) to i
03:11 < jeru> ok ...
03:12 < mnemoc> svn merge -r7037:7036 .
03:17 < CIA-13> jeru * r7038 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/ (5 files): * undo last commit on mnemosyne target (sorry again menmoc ;)
03:19 < jeru> mnemoc: should I create SYSLOG.socklog.choice ?
03:20 < mnemoc> if you will add SYSLOG.syslog-ng.choice we need a socklog choice too
03:20 < mnemoc> setting #Default: properly to preserve current behaviour
03:21 < jeru> yep ... default is socklog ... ack
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03:32 < jeru> what's your proposal ... just grabbed it from mine -p (lazy as I be ;)
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03:33 < mnemoc> Logging Services (socklog) ?
03:33 < jeru> ack
03:34 < mnemoc> will you use minit on your installation?
03:35 < jeru> not yet ... but I would like to add it as choice now
03:35 < mnemoc> i'm not sure minit is ready to be used as init on T2 :p
03:36 < jeru> yeah ... you have to do some "hand work" ;)
03:36 < jeru> (X) Logging Services (socklog) ? ?
03:36 < jeru> ? ? ( ) Logging Services (syslog-ng)
03:36 < jeru> hmm pasting isn't a good idea
03:36 < jeru> :D
03:37 < mnemoc> :p
03:37 < jeru> but you see ...
03:37 < mnemoc> why do you see it with (X) ?
03:37 < jeru> ?
03:38 < jeru> I just paste it from Config
03:38 < mnemoc> .oO
03:38 < jeru> so you don't want to have minit in syne right now ... ?
03:38 < mnemoc> i don't like that neither
03:39 < mnemoc> i hate naming stuff :\
03:39 < mnemoc> i want working stuff on mnemosyne :)
03:39 < jeru> argh ... :)
03:40 < jeru> so I'll keep it locally till it's ready for production ...
03:40 < mnemoc> good
03:40 < jeru> yep
03:40 < mnemoc> i want to imrpove 'tail' to be able to proceude scripts for minit too
03:40 < jeru> will also take a look at it
03:41 < jeru> I've to increase my "pace"
03:41 < mnemoc> :)
03:41 < jeru> ;)
03:44 < mnemoc> socklog: Reliable Logging Services
03:44 < mnemoc> syslog-ng: Next Generation Syslog Service
03:45 < jeru> ok ... already typed the commit message ;) but will cancle :)
03:45 < jeru> cancel
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03:46 < mnemoc> it was just a proposal
03:46 < mnemoc> choice descriptions including choice name look ugly
03:46 < mnemoc> (value) Blah Blah (value)
03:46 < mnemoc> puaj
03:47 < jeru> so you just want to have "Reliable Logging Services" as Desc. for socklog?
03:48 < mnemoc> not sure :(
03:48 < CIA-13> amery * r7039 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/xpdf.conf: * fixed xpdf to detect freetype2 properly
03:49 < mnemoc> socklog is a logging service, and syslog-ng is a reimplementation of the classic
03:49 < mnemoc> i guess we can describe them that way
03:52 < jeru> I wil commit now ... we can changed anyway if the name doesn't fit ;)
03:53 < jeru> change it
03:53 < jeru> i mean
03:53 < mnemoc> :)
03:53 < jeru> we don't have to cry about desc. now :)
03:54 < mnemoc> hehe
03:54 < jeru> :D
03:56 < CIA-13> jeru * r7040 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/ (SYSLOG.socklog.choice SYSLOG.syslog-ng.choice base.all):
03:56 < CIA-13> * added syslog options (socklog, syslog-ng)
03:56 < CIA-13> * removed static socklog selection from base.all
03:56 < jeru> can I add grub as choice and leaving lilo as default (if you want)
03:57 < jeru> HD_Boot.grub.choice
03:57 < jeru> HD_Boot.lilo.choice
03:57 < mnemoc> .oO( mnemosyne config is getting fatter every day )o
03:58 < mnemoc> what about doing that using pkgsel ?
03:58 < jeru> hmmm ...
03:59 < jeru> you mean custom selection?
03:59 < mnemoc> grub
03:59 < mnemoc> there is no reason to have grub instead of lilo on a server
04:00 < mnemoc> imo
04:00 < mnemoc> grub is cool when you do changes
04:00 < jeru> ack
04:00 < mnemoc> pkgsel: - lilo\nX grub :P
04:01 < jeru> ok recently grub removed from jeru's brain ;)
04:01 < mnemoc> :D
04:04 < mnemoc> xpdf: usr/bin/xpdf <--- finally
04:04 < CIA-13> amery * r7041 /trunk/package/graphic/xpdf/xpdf.conf: * fixed xpdf removing a forgotten 'false', sorry.
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04:12 < jeru> things getting worse ... kernel26 build failed due to failed hunks :/
04:12 < mnemoc> jeru: you forgot the content of the options
04:13 < mnemoc> jeru: l7-filter ?
04:13 < mnemoc> jeru: 2.6.11 update was too abrupt
04:16 < jeru> hmm ... what did I forgot ?
04:17 < jeru> ahh ... ok ... have to slepp
04:17 < jeru> sleep
04:17 < jeru> I will add it
04:17 < mnemoc> SYSLOG.*.choice are empty
04:18 < mnemoc> empty of rules i mean
04:18 < jeru> it's 4 am ... and my eyes ... rolling around
04:18 < jeru> yeah I see
04:18 < jeru> yet
04:18 < jeru> :D
04:19 < mnemoc> :)
04:20 < mnemoc> jeru: pkgsel - l7-filter for now
04:20 < mnemoc> jeru: i'll try to add a patch for the patch to apply to 2.6.11
04:20 < jeru> ok ...
04:23 < CIA-2> jeru * r7042 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/ (SYSLOG.socklog.choice SYSLOG.syslog-ng.choice): * added options content
04:24 < jeru> vserver-1.9.2.patch fails
04:24 < mnemoc> :\
04:25 < jeru> but I will look for it tomorrow, can't see my display anymore ;)
04:26 < jeru> and finaly I've to sleep ... and unfortunately I have to leave you alone (but hopefully not in the dark :D
04:26 < mnemoc> i hate this 'abrupt' kernel updates!
04:26 < mnemoc> hehe
04:26 < jeru> hmmm ...
04:26 < jeru> cu today
04:27 < jeru> sleep well if you find your bed
04:28 < mnemoc> :)
04:28 < mnemoc> i have three women on it
04:28 < jeru> oh ... that sounds good ;)
04:29 < jeru> so your 2 small ones don't want to sleep alone , as I guess
04:30 < jeru> and perhaps the elder one too ;)
04:30 < mnemoc> i have an update to vserver you may test :)
04:30 < mnemoc> :p
04:30 < mnemoc> yep
04:30 < mnemoc> and i'll go to sleep on victoria's bed :(
04:32 < CIA-2> amery * r7043 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc: * updated vserver for 2.6.11(-rc3)
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04:48 < jeru> mnemoc: still there or already lying in bed with 3 beautiful women?
04:49 < mnemoc> i'm not acepted with the noice of the laptop
04:49 < jeru> :D
04:49 < mnemoc> does that patch apply?
04:49 < jeru> vserver patch seems apply correctly
04:49 < jeru> :_)
04:49 < jeru> building kernel
04:49 < mnemoc> :D
04:50 < mnemoc> the patch selector on vserver conf is funny :)
04:51 < jeru> :)
04:51 < jeru> mnemocs toys
04:52 < jeru> ahhh ... I'm tired ... I wannaaaaaa sleeeeep
04:54 < mnemoc> gn8 jeru :)
04:55 < jeru> just a minute ... have to wait for kernel build ... after that I will jump into my bed
04:56 < jeru> but unfortunately with no women inside :/
04:56 < mnemoc> hehe
04:57 < jeru> you're laughing at least
04:57 < mnemoc> :)
04:58 < jeru> shame on you mr. mnemoc :D
04:58 < mnemoc> :p
04:59 < jeru> my last girlfriend has left me because I was to politic ... and perhaps to often behind a keyboard ;)
05:01 < mnemoc> my wife used pine when i knew here
05:01 < mnemoc> her*
05:02 < mnemoc> now she don't ever touch a keyboard
05:02 < mnemoc> alergic
05:03 < jeru> that's unbelivable ...
05:03 < mnemoc> she bought a 'type machine'
05:04 < mnemoc> or however it's called in english
05:04 < jeru> typewriter I think
05:04 < jeru> but it has also a keyboard ;)
05:05 < mnemoc> yes, but it's different :p
05:05 < jeru> :D
05:05 < jeru> yep it's mostly not connected to the "outside"
05:06 < mnemoc> and you don't pass your free time in front of it
05:06 < jeru> sometimes I wish I had a typewriter instead of an laptop
05:06 < mnemoc> :)
05:07 < jeru> is she a professional writer?
05:08 < mnemoc> she studies hispanic literature
05:08 < mnemoc> called "letters" usually
05:08 < jeru> oh my ...
05:08 < mnemoc> letter as those from the alphabet
05:08 < mnemoc> not as those your mail :p
05:09 < jeru> :D
05:10 < jeru> today I told a friend that I have to visit latin/south america
05:11 < mnemoc> i have to visit europe :p
05:11 < jeru> I would like to visit cuba, venezuela and perhaps chile
05:11 < jeru> :)
05:11 < mnemoc> hehe
05:12 < jeru> yeah ... but atm there is no budget for it
05:12 < jeru> the last month I read a lot about the political situation in chile
05:13 < jeru> == 04:38:36 =[1]=> Building base/linux26 [2.6.11 2.1.0-beta4].
05:13 < jeru> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
05:13 < jeru> -> Reading build/.../tools.cross/lib/pkg_linux26_pre.conf
05:13 < jeru> -> Including Security Contexts (vserver-1.9.4) patch...
05:13 < jeru> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
05:13 < jeru> -> Preparing build in src.linux26.1109993916.9487.efd5b8cc
05:13 < jeru> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-linux26.out
05:13 < jeru> -> $root/var/adm/logs/1-linux26.out -> 1-linux26.log
05:13 < jeru> == 03/05/05 05:06:41 =[1]=> Finished building package linux26.
05:13 < mnemoc> :)
05:13 < jeru> :)
05:13 < mnemoc> tomorrow tell me what they say about us :p
05:13 < jeru> so mnemoc ... now I diving down
05:13 < mnemoc> i asume pinochet, pinochet and a bit more of pinochet :\
05:14 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep too
05:14 < mnemoc> 4 hours before you
05:14 < jeru> yep ... but this man is really bad
05:15 < jeru> i mean pinochet
05:15 < jeru> not you
05:15 < jeru> but I think you can tell me a lot more ...
05:15 < jeru> :)
05:15 < mnemoc> can a really bad man have 46% of approval?
05:15 < jeru> sleep well
05:15 < jeru> good n8
05:16 < jeru> cu today
05:16 < mnemoc> cu :)
05:16 < jeru> :)
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07:31 < mipe> morning all
07:32 < mipe> rxr:i noticed that you added some of the changes to trunk
07:33 < mipe> rxr: btw. mipe != minto
07:34 < mipe> :)
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09:04 < rxr_> moin
09:04 -!- You're now known as rxr
09:04 < rxr> mipe: oh sorry
09:04 < rxr> will correct the commit messages
09:06 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/releases/189590/
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10:24 < rxr> mnemoc: did you set your mnemosyne to external projet ?
10:25 < rxr> didn't I selected it as internal - after all it is included in t2 ...
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10:50 * rxr decustmaining x.org
11:02 < CIA-2> rene * r7044 /trunk/package/www/mozilla/mozilla.conf:
11:02 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu :
11:02 < CIA-2> * fixed mozilla for lib64 architectures
11:08 < CIA-2> rene * r7045 /trunk/scripts/functions:
11:08 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu :
11:08 < CIA-2> * implemented global lib64 as $libdir for biarch architectures
11:09 < CIA-2> rene * r7046 /trunk/package/base/00-dirtree/00-dirtree.conf:
11:09 < CIA-2> * simlified 00-dirtree lib64 choosing to be in sync with global lib64
11:09 < CIA-2> decision
11:11 < CIA-2> rene * r7047 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf: * synced glibc slibdir=lib64 likewise
11:14 < CIA-2> rene * r7048 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/ (xorg.conf xorg_config.sh): * decustmained xorg and make it more $prefix and $libdir aware
11:15 < CIA-2> rene * r7049 /trunk/package/x11/ (5 files in 3 dirs): * renamced xorg_config.sh to the commonly agreed xorg-conf.in ,-)
11:19 < CIA-2> rene * r7050 /trunk/package/x11/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
11:19 < CIA-2> * decustmained xorg-cyrillic-fonts and xorg-doc (untested but should
11:19 < CIA-2> build)
11:23 < CIA-2> rene * r7051 /trunk/package/graphic/libjpeg/libtool-fix.patch:
11:23 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu :
11:23 < CIA-2> * fixed libjpeg for x86-64
11:24 < CIA-2> rene * r7052 /trunk/package/graphic/a2ps/a2ps.conf:
11:24 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu :
11:24 < CIA-2> * fixed a2ps for x86-64
11:26 < CIA-2> rene * r7053 /trunk/package/x11/freetype/libtool-link-lib64.patch:
11:26 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu :
11:26 < CIA-2> * fixed freetype for x86-64
11:27 < CIA-2> rene * r7054 /trunk/package/base/gcc/3.4.3-amd64.patch:
11:27 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu :
11:27 < CIA-2> * fixed gcc for x86-64
11:36 < rxr> so last night logs for Mika corrected ...
11:40 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2005030409513811781
11:40 < rxr> ?!?!
11:42 < rxr> add CORE flag to nano
11:42 < rxr> !!!
11:52 < rxr> now the sourceforge mirror crap totally freeked out ...
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11:53 < rxr> moin jeru
12:01 < CIA-2> rene * r7055 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
12:01 < CIA-2> * updated digikam (0.7.1 -> 0.7.2)
12:01 < CIA-2> * moved from unc to belnet as sf mirro - unc does not work for me since
12:01 < CIA-2> days
12:06 < jeru> ahh moin rxr ... just was listening radio ... and I just can shaking my head about how they describe the event with wounded italian journalist in iraq.
12:07 < jeru> they describe it as "tragic event"
12:07 < jeru> but these "tragic events" happening all day :/
12:08 < jeru> but nobody talks about the "doped" killer machines called soldiers
12:08 < jeru> anyway ...
12:11 < rxr> Mars Rovers Have Incorrect Instruments Installed
12:12 < rxr> "The New Scientist is reporting that the twin Mars rovers, Opportunity and Spirit, has instruments installed in the wrong rovers. From the article: 'While the bungle does not undermine the main scientific conclusions drawn from the data collected by the rovers, it is an embarrassing slip-up for a space agency that once lost a Mars spacecraft because engineers mixed up metric and imperial units.'"
12:15 < jeru> rxr: btw the official "mars rover" site is made with plone (see first entry: http://plone.org/about/sites/) ;)
12:17 < rxr> jeru: there are also lots of drupal sites ...
12:17 < rxr> http://drupal.org/drupal-sites
12:18 < jeru> rxr: yeah ... don't wanted to bash drupal ... ;)
12:18 < jeru> :D
12:18 < CIA-2> rene * r7056 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: * removed most noise from the .cache generation
12:19 < rxr> jeru: I do not want to hype it, just that all are imperfect and we use that one for now ...
12:19 < rxr> however alternative attempts to test CMS are welcome ...
12:23 < jeru> rxr: yeah ... you're absloutely right ... we just have to use one
12:25 < rxr> so -rc1 build to be started in the afternoon ...
12:25 < rxr> when my iBook X.Org build finished ...
12:25 < jeru> ahhh ... cool ... :D
12:26 < jeru> was awake till the morning building server ... :D still a little bit tired
12:26 < rxr> I can imagine ,-)
12:26 < jeru> couldn't sleep
12:27 < CIA-2> rene * r7057 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * version bump to -rc1 - working target to be done until CeBIT
12:27 < jeru> and mnemoc was still there giving some help :)
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12:28 < jeru> but we have a problems with pkprefix and openldap/heimdal/pam_krb5/nss_ldap stuff
12:28 < jeru> have to examine it now
12:36 < jeru> heimdal is build before openldap in stage 5 but depends on pkprefix openldap :/
12:36 < rxr> hehe - have furn resorting them ...
12:36 < jeru> thanks
12:36 < jeru> :/
12:37 < jeru> but openldap needs pkprefix from heimdal
12:37 < jeru> do you have an idea to circumvent this behavior mr. lead developer ;)
12:38 < rxr> kerneltrap is drupal, too
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13:27 < Minto> Moin
13:45 < jeru> moin minto
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13:56 < Minto> Hi mnemoc
13:58 < rxr> hi Minto
13:58 < Minto> Hi rxr
13:58 < Minto> rxr: have thought about updating disktype on the mirror to version 8?
13:59 < Minto> s/mirror/download mirrors/
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14:14 < CIA-2> jeru * r7058 /trunk/package/network/nss_ldap/nss_ldap.desc: * changed download to http because ftp doesn't work anymore
14:26 < mnemoc_> rehi
14:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: are you updating your mirrors?
14:27 < rxr> I think so ...
14:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: yes, i set mnemosyne as external. why?
14:27 < rxr> because it is in t2 - so it is internal ...
14:27 < jeru> hi mnemoc
14:28 < rxr> wrote 47 bytes read 65035 bytes 5206.56 bytes/sec
14:28 < rxr> total size is 4914105814 speedup is 75506.37
14:28 < rxr> mirror is up-to-date
14:28 < mnemoc_> if you consider it internal, ok. i'll change it :p
14:29 < mnemoc_> rxr: i can't edit "Developing" page even considering i am the author
14:30 < rxr> Minto: I have no disktype 8 on the master ...
14:30 < mnemoc_> it is on t2.geeks.cl if you want to grab it
14:31 < jeru> rxr: btw the yesterday I had problems with disktype download location
14:32 < jeru> isn't available at dl.sourceforge.net but via prdownloads.sourceforge.net ...
14:32 < mnemoc_> jeru: there are translations available on misc/share
14:32 < mnemoc_> you got segfault?
14:32 < jeru> no
14:32 < rxr> I fixed the segfault
14:33 < mnemoc_> i guess you need to update your curl to fix the segfault locally :)
14:33 < jeru> ok ... will try it out
14:35 < rxr> download/mirror/d/disktype-8.tar.gz.cksum-err
14:39 < rxr> it is not on the mirror due to the unc.sf.net brokenness ....
14:41 < mnemoc_> get the one i have on t2.geeks.cl :)
14:41 < rxr> no - I want to see if it is fetched from mesh during the next iteration
14:41 < rxr> belnet even ...
14:41 < rxr> I updated the Translation file some hours ago ...
14:42 < mnemoc_> belnet is slow as hell from here :\
14:42 < rxr> hm
14:42 < rxr> unc is broken like hell from everywhere for weeks ...
14:43 < rxr> choose another one that is faster ...
14:43 < mnemoc_> easynews is not too slow from here
14:44 < mnemoc_> but change it
14:44 < mnemoc_> i can select my one here
14:44 < rxr> easynes ?
14:44 < rxr> hm - latency behavour with jack has not improved with 2.6.11 ...
14:46 < rxr> I could push the mirror content to your side, as done for the others ...
14:46 < rxr> e.g. you would host the same set of older versions ...
14:47 < mnemoc_> i prefer to push the contents myself
14:47 < rxr> however this set is quite bigger:
14:47 < rxr> 6.1G 2.1
14:47 < mnemoc_> internationa bandwidth of t2.geeks.cl is very poor
14:48 < rxr> but we should push to all the future mirrors, since the set of files would be more consistent then ...
14:49 < mnemoc_> sure
14:51 < rxr> you can not access the Developing page ?
14:53 < mnemoc_> i can access it, but [edit] is not there
14:53 < mnemoc_> same on 'mnemosyne'
14:54 < mnemoc_> but i can edit 'functions'
14:56 < rxr> try again
14:57 < mnemoc_> the same
15:00 < rxr> strange - with freshly created rene-test i can edit it ...
15:01 < mnemoc_> i can edit 'functions'
15:01 < mnemoc_> but not 'mnemosyne' or 'developing'
15:01 < mnemoc_> and they all are author=amery
15:01 < rxr> just did Develpoing
15:01 < rxr> as rene-test
15:01 < rxr> with less rights than you have ...
15:02 < mnemoc_> weird
15:03 < rxr> CMSs they all are
15:03 < mnemoc_> :)
15:03 < rxr> hm - interesting
15:04 < rxr> with rene-test with the same rights you have - the edit field is indeed missing ...
15:04 < jeru> rxr: what kind of passwd backend does drupal use?
15:04 < mnemoc_> i prefer wiki-s, no permissions to handle :)
15:04 < jeru> :D
15:04 < rxr> jeru: what do you meann?
15:04 < mnemoc_> plain text :)
15:04 < rxr> jeru: AFAICS it throws them into mysql ...
15:04 < jeru> ah ok
15:05 < rxr> drupal == database for all - excpet file uploads ...
15:06 < mnemoc_> but plain text or encrypted?
15:06 < rxr> have not taken a look
15:08 < rxr> mnemoc_: try again
15:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: yes
15:12 < mnemoc_> worked
15:12 < mnemoc_> .oO( rc1 )o
15:16 < rxr> .oO ?
15:20 < mnemoc_> you tagged
15:20 < rxr> nope
15:21 < mnemoc_> nope?
15:21 < rxr> nope
15:21 < mnemoc_> why do i have rc1 now?
15:21 < rxr> I only changed the working version target in parse-config
15:21 < mnemoc_> but we can't go for rc1 yet
15:21 < rxr> why ?
15:21 < mnemoc_> we have to decide what pening features will go to 2.1.0
15:21 < mnemoc_> pending*
15:21 < rxr> the one that make it ..
15:22 < rxr> T2 2.1 will not be a 1.7 ROCK that never ends ...
15:22 < mnemoc_> beta4
15:22 < mnemoc_> discuss discuss discuss 2-3 days
15:22 < mnemoc_> and roadmap rc1
15:22 < rxr> didn't you want a 2.1 until rock 2.0 anv. ?
15:22 < rxr> mnemoc_: I have no time to discuss
15:22 < rxr> I have exams in a few days ...
15:22 < mnemoc_> rc1 must be stable
15:23 < rxr> trunk is stable ...
15:23 < mnemoc_> no it's not
15:23 < rxr> and the mark is the working target - not to be tagged today ...
15:23 < mnemoc_> there is stuff on Config to change
15:23 < mnemoc_> that breaks compatibility
15:23 < rxr> then don't change it ...
15:23 < rxr> btw. what do you want to change ?
15:24 < mnemoc_> Config distribution stinks
15:24 < mnemoc_> mainly subconfig-s
15:24 < mnemoc_> you added kde-rc, but not gnome-rc
15:24 < mnemoc_> we need to solve linux-header regressions
15:24 < rxr> you mean gnome 2.10 ?
15:24 < mnemoc_> yes
15:25 < rxr> when noone cares ...
15:25 < mnemoc_> noone cares what?
15:25 < rxr> about gnome *g*
15:25 < mnemoc_> you don't care. i care
15:25 < rxr> when update it ...
15:25 < mnemoc_> and i have been fixing packages
15:25 < rxr> then even
15:25 < rxr> mnemoc_: there is no reason to panic over the working target change ...
15:26 < rxr> we want 2.1 in a month - if so we need to work on it ...
15:26 < mnemoc_> i know
15:26 < mnemoc_> but rc-1 needs discussion
15:26 < mnemoc_> we don't even have a copyright message
15:26 < rxr> and I do not know if you konw how much time a release takes - how long I sit until the x86 and ppc ISOs are ready ...
15:26 < rxr> I can not do that endlesly ...
15:27 < rxr> mnemoc_: so let's start the discussion ... - or it will never happen ...
15:27 < rxr> copyright is a one commit change ...
15:27 < mnemoc_> noone cares about ppc isos :)
15:27 < rxr> nope
15:27 < rxr> I have more ppc users thatn x86 ones in germany ..
15:27 < valentin> mnemoc_: i do
15:27 < valentin> hi, btw
15:27 < rxr> in fact I only do x86 for testing because I have no immediate use for them ...
15:27 < mnemoc_> valentin: can you help to get ppc iso in less than three weeks?
15:28 < rxr> in other wors I do x86 for reference fun and ppc for production ...
15:28 < valentin> mnemoc_: maybe i could work with rxr when we are at CeBit next week
15:28 < mnemoc_> if you use ppc for production, why do you take so much to produce the isos?
15:28 < mnemoc_> :|
15:28 < rxr> because updates and co continously break non x86 arches ?
15:28 < mnemoc_> damn damn damn
15:28 < rxr> and I have to hotfix them before release?
15:29 < mnemoc_> sure
15:29 < mnemoc_> .oO
15:29 < mnemoc_> arg
15:29 < CIA-2> amery * r7059 /trunk/package/mail/sylpheed/sylpheed.desc: * updated sylpheed (1.0.2 -> 1.0.3)
15:29 < rxr> the last time I had to rework the install part maojrly and patch Create-ISO to do real size estimation ...
15:29 < valentin> mnemoc_: you do not have other arcitectures than x86* handy ?
15:29 < mnemoc_> .oO( CeBit next weekCeBit next week CeBit next week CeBit next week )o
15:30 < rxr> mnemoc_: and ?
15:30 < rxr> snowing here ...
15:30 < mnemoc_> 33°C outside here
15:31 < mnemoc_> i'll work on structural stuff this days, can you see linux-header update?
15:31 < rxr> see in termsn of estimate commit date ?
15:32 < rxr> mnemoc_: 2.1 was planned as stable base ...
15:32 < mnemoc_> yes
15:32 < mnemoc_> that's what i plan too
15:32 < rxr> why not do 2.1 with our current feature st - do our exams and co - and continue with cleanups and new features for 2.2 released two months later ?
15:32 < mnemoc_> but we need a 'compatible' stable base
15:32 < mnemoc_> not a vapor stable base
15:33 < mnemoc_> structural cleans, not new features
15:33 < rxr> vapor ware is unreleased stuff - doing a normal releasse is a normal release ...
15:33 < mnemoc_> vapor base, a base that will change in the first month of 2.2 :)
15:33 < rxr> the kde folks also released 3.0 one day - and 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 and now 3.4 shorly thereafter ...
15:34 < rxr> well - slit package and maybe core language changes will do a lot more later ...
15:34 < mnemoc_> let me sweep cleaning out our...
15:34 < mnemoc_> # ls package/*/*/*.desc | wc -l
15:34 < mnemoc_> 1466
15:34 < mnemoc_> 1466 packages
15:34 < rxr> look at how incompatible gtk+ or gcc releases are between majors ...
15:35 < rxr> and we already need some 2.2 soon for gcc-4.0 ...
15:35 < mnemoc_> s/out/up/
15:35 < mnemoc_> slit on 2.2, completly agree
15:35 < rxr> this never releasing really is a rock illness
15:35 < rxr> release early release often
15:35 < rxr> and when we change / cleanup stuff we just tested and do it ...
15:36 < rxr> when we tell two years "one day there will be a 2.1" it becomes vapor ware
15:36 < mnemoc_> i need to be sure the cleanup-s keep rc1/.0,.1,etc.. config, api, abi, prefix stable
15:36 < rxr> like rock 1.7/2.0 was
15:37 < rxr> btw. do not confuse adding functions with api incompatible
15:37 < rxr> only changing and removing makes it incompatible ...
15:37 < rxr> just adding a new helper is no problem at all
15:38 < CIA-2> rene * r7060 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-beta/ (4 files):
15:38 < CIA-2> * updated xemacs-beta (21.5.18 -> 21.5.19)
15:38 < CIA-2> * removed xft patching - all the recent incarnations are just unusable
15:38 < CIA-2> (instable) and a sorted solution does not seem to manifest on the
15:38 < CIA-2> horizon
15:38 < mnemoc_> i'll not add new helpers, i want to be use we are using them correctly everywhere they are needed
15:38 < mnemoc_> standarize filenames. etc
15:39 < rxr> I alread cleaned up xorg this morning ...
15:39 < mnemoc_> :)
15:39 < rxr> you told me you do kde gnome - so I have not ...
15:39 < mnemoc_> ack
15:39 < mnemoc_> :)
15:39 < mnemoc_> i can do that dumb work
15:40 < rxr> it is a svn mv and a sed run ...
15:40 < mnemoc_> but i need you to do the hard one... linux-header :)
15:40 < rxr> I can do if you do not want to ..
15:40 < mnemoc_> no no
15:41 < mnemoc_> you do the part out of my scope, 32/64 and kernel work
15:41 < rxr> but better let's have a 2.1 earlier than a endlessly delayed one ...
15:42 < rxr> and cleanups can always be performed ... - look at linux-2.4 or linux-2.6 _.0_
15:42 < mnemoc_> :)
15:42 < rxr> works for most - but the ever ongoing tinkering and cleanup going on ...
15:43 < rxr> valentin: what is our pr paper doing ?
15:43 < mnemoc_> what about copyright?
15:43 < rxr> the next days ... *g*
15:43 < mnemoc_> jsaw and i want a minimalistic one, and you want it double
15:43 < valentin> rxr: did not continue that - did susann take a look ?
15:43 < rxr> today was .cache denosie - so ...
15:43 < rxr> valentin: no idea - will ask later ...
15:44 < rxr> maybe post it on t2 (list)
15:45 < rxr> there are 21 people on the list ...
15:46 < mnemoc_> " GNOME 2.10 is going to be the latest and greatest thing from the GNOME Desktop Project this March 9th. Here is a sneak peek of some of the things that are currently in the GNOME 2.9 development snapshot."
15:46 < rxr> they always tell so and then it just crashes on me ...
15:47 < mnemoc_> :)
15:47 < rxr> mnemoc_: aren't you in minimal? Wouldn't you want to use xfce then ?
15:47 < mnemoc_> i use xfce on my laptop :)
15:47 < rxr> and gnome? nowhere ?
15:48 < mnemoc_> no *sigh*
15:48 < rxr> mnemoc_: btw release engeneering - the last time I also had to track the setpasswd issue ...
15:48 < mnemoc_> but i want that gnome for my house
15:48 < mnemoc_> rxr: yes, you did it. but what do you mean?
15:49 < rxr> just to list what takes so much time abut releases and why I would like to avoid endless -beta releases ...
15:49 < rxr> a release is stable and tested - and that could be 2.1 at some point soon ...
15:50 < rxr> so - starting the linux-header updated built ...
15:50 < rxr> +d
15:50 < mnemoc_> if we release 2.1-rc1 with gnome 2.8 imo we can't update it to 2.10 on any 2.1.x
15:51 < rxr> so update in the next days ... ,-)
15:51 < mnemoc_> i'll have to
15:51 < rxr> or get someone else to do it ...
15:51 < rxr> should I improce the C++ version checker to be able to deal with the versioned gnome dirs ?
15:53 < mnemoc_> that's on my todo too
15:53 < rxr> the C++ tracker is on your todo ?
15:53 < mnemoc_> no, versioned dirs of pkgcheck
15:53 < rxr> this old style script beast ?
15:54 < mnemoc_> i love that beast :p
15:54 < rxr> oh my god
15:55 < rxr> FO: Testing ... ok 58165.000
15:55 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 61080.000
15:55 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 137.000
15:55 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 15931.000
15:55 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 39891.000
15:55 < mnemoc_> ${url%$ver} ${url%${ver%.*}} ... looop
15:55 < mnemoc_> www.geeks.cl is not operative
15:55 < rxr> uhm ?
15:55 < mnemoc_> in fact it should be downloading a 404
15:56 < rxr> I think the check is broken - I noticed previously that a number is displayed with in fat the file was not there ...
15:56 < rxr> could you track that ?
15:56 < mnemoc_> not today :|
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16:00 < rxr> hi mipe
16:00 < mipe> hi rxr
16:00 < rxr> mipe: I fixed the messed commit logs this morning
16:01 < mipe> rxr: :)
16:01 < rxr> and merged more ...
16:01 < rxr> including cleanups
16:01 < rxr> the vitial stuff should be in trunk now ..
16:02 < mipe> i look funny atm, i was fishing and sun was shining, was fishing for 5-6 hours,i had sunglasses and not back at home i look at the mirror and notice that i have wierd sun tan lines around my eyes :)
16:02 < rxr> mnemoc_: you could apply package/develop/distcc
16:02 < mipe> ups,typos,bit tired atm
16:02 < rxr> mipe: hehe
16:03 < rxr> courier-imap likewise
16:04 < jeru> rxr: what's about courier-imap?
16:05 < mnemoc_> i pasted him my test-build report
16:05 < rxr> pending updates on mnemoc's side
16:05 < rxr> mnemoc_: CHANGED does mena ?
16:05 < rxr> added or patch tweaked ?
16:06 < mnemoc_> changed means M or A on svn status without a version change
16:06 < mnemoc_> i need to improve to detect new pacakges
16:06 < mnemoc_> they are NEW not CHANGED :p
16:06 < rxr> ah ok
16:07 < jeru> mnemoc: that would be nice :D
16:07 < CIA-2> amery * r7061 /trunk/package/mail/courier-authlib/courier-authlib.desc: * updated courier-authlib (0.54 -> 0.55)
16:07 < CIA-2> amery * r7062 /trunk/package/mail/courier-imap/courier-imap.desc: * updated courier-imap (4.0.1 -> 4.0.2)
16:07 < mipe> hmm,var_append confopt "--disable-mmx" for imlib2, but looking at error log, it mangles the add to --disable-mmx=--disable-mmx or so.
16:07 < mnemoc_> jeru: do you use that dirty cow?
16:08 < mnemoc_> mipe: delimiter seems to be missing
16:08 < rxr> mipe: ack " " missing ...
16:08 < rxr> fix
16:08 < mnemoc_> var_append confopt ' ' '--disable-mmx'
16:08 < rxr> ^- I
16:08 < mnemoc_> ok
16:08 < mipe> ah yes, ofcourse :)
16:08 < jeru> mnemoc: what do you mean? courier?
16:09 < CIA-2> amery * r7063 /trunk/package/games/wesnoth/wesnoth.desc: * updated wesnoth (0.8.10 -> 0.8.11)
16:09 < rxr> mipe: oh - this is not in trunk but your local copy ?
16:09 < CIA-2> amery * r7064 /trunk/package/network/validator/ (validator.conf validator.desc): * improved validator to use match_source_file
16:09 < mnemoc_> jeru: yes, i use binc :)
16:09 < mipe> yep,but works
16:10 < jeru> never used binc ... can you recommand it?
16:10 < CIA-2> amery * r7065 /trunk/package/security/pwgen/ (. pwgen.desc): * added pwgen (2.03)
16:10 < rxr> jeru: yep - way nicer then courier for me ...
16:10 < rxr> thanks to mnemoc_ recommendation
16:10 < mnemoc_> :)
16:10 < jeru> :D
16:11 < rxr> not a single problem with binci so far ...
16:11 < jeru> I'll give it a try :)
16:11 < jeru> cool
16:11 < rxr> unlike e.g. with CMSs ...
16:11 < jeru> :D
16:11 < jeru> poor rxr ...
16:11 < mnemoc_> hehe
16:12 < mnemoc_> binc 1.2 doesn't implement THREAD and SORT
16:12 < mnemoc_> that can be a problem
16:12 < jeru> rxr: I know ... CMSs can be a nightmare ... :|
16:12 < mnemoc_> but it is really lighter than courier
16:13 < rxr> oh submaster just got 2.6.11
16:13 < rxr> so in 3 weeks they have it in trunk ...
16:14 < jeru> rxr spying rock ??? ;)
16:14 < rxr> yep - scrolled over the submaster and wondered why they are that stalled ...
16:15 < rxr> I get nervous when the graph does not change for weeks and suspect my generator to be broken ...
16:15 < jeru> :)
16:16 < Minto> Rock has something that T2 is missing
16:16 < rxr> we are 1500 or so revisions ahead ... - so ...
16:16 < rxr> what ?
16:16 < Minto> Bootsplash
16:16 < mnemoc_> puaj
16:16 < rxr> *lol*
16:17 < mnemoc_> do you want that?
16:17 < Minto> Would be nice to sex things up
16:17 < rxr> Minto: to boostplash is official considered broken and harmful ...
16:17 < Minto> Why do all mayor distros have it then?
16:17 < rxr> implementing it in userspace as it should be and linus, alan and so on demand is a toy project on my todo .
16:17 < rxr> no idea?
16:18 < rxr> because they want a jpeg loaded in the kernel ? *g*
16:18 < jeru> perhaps, because they want to be sexy ;)
16:18 < rxr> Minto: feel free to add it as a O package ...
16:19 < Minto> I think it is only usefull as eye candy.
16:19 < Minto> May i'll give it a try
16:19 < rxr> but accordingl the rock list (as I spy the few posts) andreas 'netrunner' said it most probably never worked in rock ... *g*
16:20 < Minto> Unfortunately a lot of people judge stuff only on the visual aspect.
16:20 < Minto> Didn't know is didn't work
16:20 < rxr> well - I would like to have it - but not the way bootsplash is ..
16:20 < Minto> s/is/it
16:20 < Minto> How would you like it then?
16:20 < rxr> and it will never go in the kernel due to the big cruft - and since it has nothing to do in the kernel ..
16:20 < mnemoc_> rxr: will you use 'bleeding'? if not, remove it please
16:21 < rxr> it must be a normal user space up that hooks into the kernel at the early userspace point and takes over the console ...
16:21 < rxr> I would use my GSMP canvas code based on evas ...
16:21 < rxr> (enlightenment 17 evas)
16:22 < rxr> so you have the crazzy stuff done well in userspace without crashing the kernel ... ,m-)
16:24 < Minto> Hmmm, I don't have enough experience to give that a try.
16:24 < Minto> Are there any existing alternatives?
16:24 < rxr> I think no
16:24 < rxr> not yet
16:24 < Minto> Bummer
16:25 < rxr> mnemoc_: have oyu a tidy update ?
16:25 < mnemoc_> Minto: http://qingy.sourceforge.net/
16:25 < mnemoc_> rxr: i guess i already commited one
16:25 < CIA-2> rene * r7066 /trunk/package/network/tidy/tidy.desc: * updated tidy (050217 -> 050302)
16:26 < mnemoc_> :)
16:26 < mnemoc_> 050303 is out
16:26 < rxr> I just pased ...
16:26 < rxr> amd I blind ?
16:26 < mnemoc_> *no_answer*
16:27 < rxr> mnemoc_: but qingy is a login only
16:27 < rxr> that is not present while booting up, right ?
16:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: yep
16:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: only login
16:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: but equaly fancy :)
16:28 < Minto> It indeed looks nice. But how to overcome the boot gap?
16:28 < rxr> only with own C hacking ,-)
16:29 < rxr> but this is untested
16:29 < CIA-2> rene * r7067 /trunk/package/network/tidy/tidy.desc: * updated tidy (050302 -> 050303)
16:31 < Minto> I am not to comfortable with the linux kernel of boot process to start hacking things myself. Maybe I should start out with playing with existing things, like bootsplash and qingy.
16:31 < mnemoc_> Minto: go for it :)
16:32 < Minto> Ok.
16:32 < Minto> I already have three packages (log4cxx, apr and apr-util) over that are ready for inclusion.
16:33 < Minto> Unfortunately Apache uses an older version of apr, so modifying Apache package was not straight forward.
16:35 < mnemoc_> if you have a good apr{,-utils} pacakges, commit them, even if they are not yet integrated with other packages
16:36 < Minto> Should I send them to the mailing list?
16:36 < mnemoc_> rxr: ?
16:40 < Minto> I have something else on my wishlist that would make playing with the other stuff easier. I would like to copy a build target straight to compact flash.
16:40 < Minto> And use that compact flash (CF-ide) to boot up. Anyone with ideas how to best accomplish this?
16:41 < mnemoc_> target's build.sh
16:41 < Minto> Which target should I look at for inspiration?
16:41 < mnemoc_> with helpers on misc/$somthing/
16:41 < jeru> minto: I already experimenting with CF booting ;)
16:42 < mnemoc_> bootdisk creates images
16:42 < mnemoc_> distcd too
16:42 < jeru> depends on the application
16:42 < Minto> jeru: Jippee
16:42 < jeru> atm using a custom build.sh
16:43 < jeru> and using custom target derived from router target
16:43 < jeru> but it's in a very early stage
16:43 < jeru> but booting from a CF isn't a problem anyway
16:43 < Minto> For a start I plan to have a special fileserver target to boot from CF.
16:43 < jeru> uhmm
16:44 < Minto> I have more plans but to learn thing I want to start of easy.
16:44 < Minto> Could I have a look at your build.sh
16:46 < rxr> psion-pda also creats an image
16:47 < jeru> yep ... but first I'll have to do some cleanups ... it's a bit ugly atm
16:47 < jeru> ype psion-pda is also a good source for experimenting ;)
16:47 < Minto> I will have a look.
16:48 < jeru> the process creating the image is allmost the same
16:48 * mnemoc_ feels the stress flowing through his veins
16:48 < rxr> mnemoc_: ask me ..
16:48 < CIA-2> rene * r7068 /trunk/package/network/tidy/tidy.desc:
16:48 < CIA-2> * updated tidy (050303 -> 050304) - why did we use the /old folder
16:48 < CIA-2> anyway ?
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16:49 < rxr> hi c4y0
16:49 [Users #t2]
16:49 [ _Ragnar__] [ daja77] [ Minto ] [ mtr_] [ valentin]
16:49 [ c4y0 ] [ jeru ] [ mipe ] [ nzg ]
16:49 [ CIA-2 ] [ jsaw_ ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr ]
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16:49 < c4y0> hi
16:49 < jeru> hi c4y0
16:49 < mnemoc_> rxr: Should I send them to the mailing list? <--- answer?
16:49 < rxr> oh /me was phoning
16:50 * rxr srollback
16:50 < rxr> sure - list is nice ,-)
16:50 < mnemoc_> *g*
16:51 < Minto> How do want them. As normal attachments or some kind of patch (how to create?)
16:51 < rxr> please as patch
16:51 < CIA-2> rene * r7069 /branches/bleeding/: * removed bleeding branch
16:51 < rxr> attached or inlined I do not care
16:52 < rxr> please no tar
16:52 < mnemoc_> diff -u to apply with -p1 :)
16:52 < rxr> I do not care about the patch leve either ...
16:52 < mnemoc_> diff -u for sure
16:52 < rxr> either create a 2nd checkout and diff -u old new
16:52 < Minto> Does diff work for new files as well?
16:52 < rxr> mnemoc_: ack -u ,-)!
16:52 < rxr> diff -urN
16:52 < Minto> Okay
16:52 < rxr> recursive new
16:53 < rxr> or if only new stuff
16:53 < rxr> svn diff -u /dev/null package/.../the-new-file
16:53 < mnemoc_> hehe
16:53 < rxr> or svn add them and use svn diff ...
16:53 < Minto> Okay, Okay I'll picht one method.
16:53 < Minto> s/picht/pick
16:54 < mnemoc_> svn diff is good
16:54 < mnemoc_> but you need to svn add before
16:55 < rxr> http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/cfu1u.html
16:55 < mipe> hmm,/me dont understand the new menu(browsing) system in www2
16:55 < rxr> it is not yet welldone
16:55 < rxr> the drupal stuff for that is a bit strange
16:55 < rxr> I hope it will improve soon ...
16:57 < rxr> is anyone near buliding my decustmain xorg ?
16:57 < rxr> I have a hotfix but my iBook is still building ...
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16:57 < mipe> when did you change xorg?
16:57 < rxr> but I coudl commit if someone is nar it
16:58 < keinek_> hi
16:58 < rxr> in the morning ...
16:58 < mipe> last night builded it
16:58 < rxr> hi keinek_
16:58 < mipe> oh
16:58 < jeru> hi keinek
16:58 < keinek_> i think that mnemoc_ is sleeping...
16:58 < rxr> mipe: I decustmained it and injceted the x86-64 changes
16:58 < keinek_> sorry for my english
16:59 < mnemoc_> hi keinek
16:59 < keinek_> mnemoc_ !!
16:59 < rxr> ,-)
16:59 < keinek_> why you dont response in the other channel!
16:59 < keinek_> :)
16:59 < mnemoc_> i have 23 windows on my irssi
16:59 < mipe> rxr:theres still gcc changes not committed and well i wouldnt commit them yet anyway,needs a cleanup because of the lib dir mess
16:59 < keinek_> look at me! speaking english
16:59 < mnemoc_> i can't keep all of them
17:00 < mnemoc_> keinek_: congratulations :)
17:00 < keinek_> all because the T2 dont compile!
17:00 < rxr> T2 don't compile ?
17:00 < mnemoc_> T2 compiles?
17:01 < keinek_> can i copy and paste the error here?
17:01 < rxr> mnemoc_: ?
17:01 < rxr> keinek_: sure
17:01 < c4y0> hi! im creating the t2 iso and apparently i dont have permission!
17:01 < keinek_> yes!
17:01 < c4y0> can be some error on fstab?
17:02 < keinek_> ok... loook
17:02 < rxr> c4y0: permissons for what ?
17:02 < keinek_> == 12:31:55 =[0]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.4-2004-12-24 2.1.0-beta3].
17:02 < keinek_> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
17:02 < keinek_> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
17:02 < keinek_> -> Preparing build in src.glibc.1110036715.7557.a8c00200
17:02 < keinek_> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out
17:02 < keinek_> !> make[1]: *** [/t2-2.1.0-beta3/build/keinek-2.1.0-beta3-x ..
17:02 < keinek_> !> make[1]: Target `install-headers' not remade because of ..
17:02 < keinek_> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/t2-2.1.0-beta3/src.glibc.11 ..
17:02 < keinek_> !> make: *** [install-headers] Error 2
17:02 < keinek_> !> `../include/features.h' -> `/t2-2.1.0-beta3/build/keinek ..
17:02 < keinek_> !> cp: cannot stat `bits/stdio_lim.h': No such file or dire ..
17:02 < keinek_> !> No 0-glibc.log file.
17:02 < keinek_> -> $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out -> 0-glibc.err
17:02 < keinek_> == 03/05/05 12:32:46 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc.
17:02 < keinek_> debian2:/t2-2.1.0-beta3# ./scripts/Config -cfg keinek
17:02 < keinek_> Creating configuration script.
17:02 < keinek_> T2 2.1.0-beta3 configuration ...
17:02 < mnemoc_> rxr: bash scripts are not compiled :p
17:02 < keinek_> New config written to config/keinek/*.
17:02 < keinek_> Cleaning up. Configuration finished.
17:02 < mipe> rxr:thats fixed on my glibc diff
17:02 < keinek_> the same error i have in the router config
17:02 < keinek_> a bug?
17:02 < rxr> keinek_: which architecture ?
17:02 < mipe> simple typo in glibc.conf
17:02 < keinek_> 32
17:03 < keinek_> i try in athlon xp
17:03 < keinek_> i try almost in pentium mmx
17:03 < keinek_> but... the same error.
17:04 < rxr> mipe: patch handy ?
17:04 < mipe> its in my diff patch
17:04 < c4y0> rxr /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied
17:04 < keinek_> i use the beta 3 T2
17:04 < rxr> c4y0: x86-54 ?
17:04 < CIA-2> amery * r7070 /trunk/package/develop/clip/ (clip.conf clip.desc four_elements_tc_defcolor.patch): * updated clip (1.1.13-154 -> 1.1.14)
17:04 < mnemoc_> o_O
17:04 < rxr> c4y0: x86-64 even ?
17:05 < c4y0> x86
17:05 < rxr> mipe: how was the url ?
17:05 < rxr> c4y0: you are building as root ?
17:05 < c4y0> yes
17:05 < rxr> "interesting"
17:06 < mipe> rxr:http://koti.japo.fi/~pmika/t2-diff
17:06 < rxr> thanks
17:06 < c4y0> look! i change the t2 work partition
17:06 < c4y0> because i create a xfs partition to work in that
17:07 < rxr> + mkdir -p $includedir/bits
17:07 < rxr> ?
17:07 < mipe> yep
17:07 < c4y0> after of that, i receive that error. i think to can be related with the fstab parameters, but i cant found the error
17:07 < c4y0> :(
17:07 < rxr> keinek_: you use a svn checkout ?
17:08 < CIA-2> amery * r7071 /trunk/package/develop/clip/clip.desc: * fixed clip version, it's 1.1.14-1.
17:09 < mnemoc_> rxr: i use the beta 3 T2
17:10 < rxr> keinek_: maybe it is fixed in svn now
17:10 < rxr> could you check it out ?
17:10 < c4y0> done
17:10 < CIA-2> rene * r7072 /trunk/package/base/glibc/glibc.conf:
17:10 < CIA-2> Mika Pesu :
17:10 < CIA-2> * fixed glibc to create $includedir/bits before writing into it
17:10 < keinek_> ok, where i found the svn?
17:11 < keinek_> rxr?
17:11 < c4y0> weeeeeeeee! ready my first t2 iso! XD
17:11 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/download.html
17:11 < mnemoc_> keinek_: svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-trunk
17:11 < rxr> yep
17:11 < keinek_> thanks mnemoc_
17:11 < rxr> c4y0: what was the problem ?
17:12 < c4y0> parameters on fstab!
17:12 < c4y0> rtfm!!!!!!!!! hehehehe
17:12 < keinek_> ok... debian dont have svn?!?
17:12 < keinek_> what the fu...!
17:12 < mnemoc_> subversion?
17:12 < keinek_> :'(
17:12 < c4y0> keinek_ yes
17:12 < keinek_> ok
17:12 < c4y0> subversion-tools
17:13 < keinek_> i try apt-cache searh...
17:13 < c4y0> apt-get install subversion-tools
17:13 < c4y0> hehehe
17:13 < keinek_> thanks c4y0
17:13 < keinek_> is downloading ...
17:13 < c4y0> ;)
17:14 < keinek_> i think that i learn so much english if i stay here
17:14 < mnemoc_> keinek_: move download and config from your old tree to t2-trunk
17:14 < keinek_> ;)
17:14 < mnemoc_> our english is not the best :)
17:15 < keinek_> i know...
17:15 < c4y0> people! i hope back in a few minutes running my first t2!!!!!!!!!
17:16 < keinek_> ok... if your computer exploit i see you the next week
17:16 < mnemoc_> good luck
17:16 < keinek_> oh yes... good luck
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17:18 < keinek_> mnemoc_, what is the Mnemosyne Linux?
17:19 < mnemoc_> a target of T2
17:19 < mnemoc_> minimalistic, secure, reliable but not standard
17:21 < keinek_> ok... svn is working...
17:31 < mnemoc_> good
17:32 < CIA-2> amery * r7073 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkg_subversion.conf: * added mnemosyne/subversion config to add a configuration template on apache
18:01 < keinek_> Mmmmm i have the same problem.
18:01 < keinek_> == 14:01:15 =[0]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.4 2.1.0-rc1].
18:01 < keinek_> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
18:01 < keinek_> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
18:01 < keinek_> -> Preparing build in src.glibc.1110042074.25133.a8c00200
18:01 < keinek_> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out
18:01 < keinek_> !> This is free software; see the source for copying condit ..
18:01 < keinek_> !> warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A ..
18:01 < keinek_> !> [ writing debug log to /t2-trunk/src.glibc.1110042074.25 ..
18:01 < keinek_> !> File not found: download/mirror/g/glibc-2.3.4.tar.bz2
18:01 < keinek_> !> Did you run ./scripts/Download for this package?
18:01 < keinek_> !> No 0-glibc.log file.
18:02 < keinek_> -> $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out -> 0-glibc.err
18:02 < keinek_> == 03/05/05 14:01:19 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc.
18:02 < keinek_> debian2:/t2-trunk#
18:02 < keinek_> but now in the the t2-trunk release
18:02 < keinek_> :(
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18:03 < rxr> re
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18:04 < rxr> keinek_: you moved download over and run Download -cfg yours -required? before the build ?
18:04 < keinek_> ups
18:04 < keinek_> i move the download and run ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg keinek
18:04 < keinek_> :)
18:05 < keinek_> ok... y try that
18:06 < keinek_> i think that the download are the same.
18:06 < keinek_> sorry
18:06 < keinek_> ok testing mirrors ...
18:06 < keinek_> ok the glibc-2.3.4.tar.bz2 is downloading ... :)
18:06 < keinek_> thanks rxr
18:06 < rxr> yes - download is mostly the same - but trunk has many many updates
18:07 < rxr> so some stuff will be downloaded
18:07 < rxr> but only the missing pieces
18:07 < keinek_> super!
18:08 < keinek_> i want T2 for routing, and for live cd :)
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18:45 < rxr> mnemoc_: ok - I think tagging the current trunk including linux-header update mid. next week and then pulling gnome 2.10 for -rc1 looks like a plan, ok ?
18:51 < valentin> rxr, mnemoc: can you post a schedule for stable to the list - esp. containing a date for stoping just-for-fun-updates in the stable branch ?
18:52 < valentin> or does -rc1 imply that ?
18:54 < keinek_> ok... i need help again
18:54 < keinek_> please look
18:55 < keinek_> Removing old error logs ...
18:55 < keinek_> -> Removing var/adm/logs/0-glibc.err ...
18:55 < keinek_> == 14:53:22 =[0]=> Building base/glibc [2.3.4 2.1.0-rc1].
18:55 < keinek_> -> Parallel build using 4 jobs enabled.
18:55 < keinek_> -> Reading package configuration from package directory.
18:55 < keinek_> -> Preparing build in src.glibc.1110045201.7565.a8c00200
18:55 < keinek_> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out
18:55 < keinek_> !> /t2-trunk/build/keinek-2.1.0-beta3-x86-router/TOOLCHAIN/ ..
18:55 < keinek_> !> install: cannot stat `/t2-trunk/src.glibc.1110045201.756 ..
18:55 < keinek_> !> make[1]: *** [/t2-trunk/build/keinek-2.1.0-beta3-x86-rou ..
18:55 < keinek_> !> make[1]: Target `install-headers' not remade because of ..
18:55 < keinek_> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/t2-trunk/src.glibc.11100452 ..
18:55 < keinek_> !> make: *** [install-headers] Error 2
18:55 < keinek_> !> No 0-glibc.log file.
18:55 < keinek_> -> $root/var/adm/logs/0-glibc.out -> 0-glibc.err
18:55 < keinek_> == 03/05/05 14:54:14 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc.
18:55 < keinek_> debian2:/t2-trunk#
19:09 < keinek_> ***BUG in Autoconf--please report*** AC_FD_MSG
19:09 < keinek_> make[1]: *** [sysdeps/i386/elf/configure] Error 1
19:09 < keinek_> this error is in the file 0-glibc.err
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19:52 < mnemoc_> rxr: ok
19:53 < mnemoc_> keinek_: you may need to update your host machine i guess
19:54 < mnemoc_> valentin: since -rc1 release 2.1.x shall be config/prefix/api/abi stable
19:55 < keinek_> ok... i will install an old rock linux
19:55 < mnemoc_> keinek_: you can download a T2 iso
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19:56 < keinek_> yes but i have 3 cd of rock linux now
19:56 < mnemoc_> it's up to you
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19:57 < keinek_> i so so tired...
19:59 < mnemoc> sleep :)
19:59 < keinek_> i like have one iso that prepare my computer for guess T2
19:59 < keinek_> ¿why dont do that?
20:00 < mnemoc> no entendi nada de lo que intentaste decir
20:00 < keinek_> jejeje
20:00 < keinek_> ok
20:00 < Minto> Adding Qingy was pretty easy. Builds fine. But still have to check if it is working.
20:00 < valentin> keinek_: you could update your auto*
20:00 < keinek_> me gustaria tener una iso que prepare el equipo para crear cualquier tipo de proyecto de t2
20:00 < keinek_> :P
20:00 < mipe> keinek_:aptitude update && aptitude upgrade
20:00 < mnemoc> keinek_: any T2 iso let you build T2
20:00 * valentin rebooting from OSuX -> linux
20:01 < keinek_> and any rock linux?
20:01 < mnemoc> i hope so
20:01 < mnemoc> but as valentin said, updating your autoconf and automake might be enough
20:01 < keinek_> i hope too
20:02 < Minto> Gotto go now. I have visitors. bye
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20:02 < keinek_> ok i try
20:04 < keinek_> aptitude update && aptitude upgrade is idem that "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade"?
20:04 < rxr> re
20:05 < valentin> re
20:08 < mnemoc> re rxr, valentin
20:12 < rxr> linux-header updated tree in stage 3 now
20:13 < CIA-9> rene * r7074 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/xorg.conf: * fixed my xorg quoting of new decustmained code - tested this time ,-)
20:14 < mnemoc> :D
20:24 < rxr> mnemoc: linux-header update in 6-glibc ...
20:24 < rxr> 5- even
20:25 < rxr> commit now or after more progress ?
20:25 < mnemoc> let's wait a bit :)
20:25 < rxr> :-(
20:25 < rxr> == 03/05/05 20:21:22 =[9]=> Finished building package xorg-doc.
20:25 < rxr> good decustmained never built xorg-doc still builds *g*
20:26 < mnemoc> uhm?
20:26 < mnemoc> :)
20:26 < rxr> flist ok, too
20:28 < rxr> == 03/05/05 20:28:11 =[9]=> Finished building package xorg-cyrillic-fonts.
20:29 < rxr> hehe - so - those are build this year ... so I can mine -rf them again ...
20:31 < rxr> http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=420
20:31 < rxr> ^- a first look at ooo 2.0
20:32 < rxr> OpenOffice.org 2.0
20:33 < mnemoc> .oO( i have to finish that too )o
20:33 < rxr> could you commit?
20:33 < rxr> or is it all in trunk ?
20:33 < mnemoc> no yet, i have a problem with a 'source'
20:34 < rxr> source ?
20:35 < mnemoc> their configure generates a 'sourceable' file
20:35 < mnemoc> which sets the env
20:37 < rxr> mnemoc: I change the cache generation to output one dep in one line, ok ?
20:38 < rxr> (so future diffs are not that noidy)
20:38 < rxr> noisy
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20:39 < mnemoc> $pkg.deps ?
20:39 < jeru_> hi asongew
20:39 < rxr> well - when the .cache is nearly empty they can stay in it ...
20:39 < rxr> more copmatible to existing tools ...
20:39 < mnemoc> true
20:39 < mnemoc> but [DEP] is an overhead
20:39 < mnemoc> ok
20:39 < rxr> hehe, yes it is ...
20:39 < mnemoc> .deps for 2.2
20:39 < rxr> hm
20:40 < mnemoc> :p
20:40 < asongwe1> Jeru u there?
20:40 < rxr> if - then it would be nicer for 2.1 ...
20:40 < mnemoc> yes
20:40 < mnemoc> :)
20:40 < rxr> maybe dump .cache at all then ...
20:40 < jeru_> hi asongwe
20:40 < rxr> so not so many milions of bilions of lingering files ...
20:40 < rxr> ?
20:40 < asongwe1> Hi Jeru
20:40 < mnemoc> .cache is build info
20:41 < mnemoc> like if it's broken or not
20:41 < rxr> (none really needs and is just white noise in commits ...)
20:41 < rxr> I removed that info today ...
20:41 < mnemoc> oh
20:41 < rxr> we do not need it in the system
20:41 < rxr> all should build - dot
20:41 < mnemoc> in that case remove the whole cache
20:41 < rxr> and if some nice graph and verboe info should be in the regtester - not in the source ...
20:42 < rxr> well - in fact I like 2 infos in it: size and time
20:42 < mnemoc> cat $pkg.deps | while read $dep $atributes; do
20:42 < rxr> that is a useful information for the system to estimate e.g. live-cd fillup and build time ...
20:42 < mnemoc> buildtime is nice is we can give an estimation on 'current machine'
20:43 < CIA-9> rene * r7075 /trunk/package/x11/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
20:43 < CIA-9> * injected .cache files for the optional and seldom built xorg-doc
20:43 < CIA-9> and xorg-cyrillic-fonts
20:43 < rxr> need to introduce some system-speed factor ...
20:44 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe just leave it this way - .cache is cached build information
20:44 < rxr> just less
20:44 < rxr> [DEP] is an overhead - but compresses well away
20:44 < rxr> I like one .cache more thatn 2 or 3 files ...
20:45 < mnemoc> yep
20:45 < rxr> and the deps can be obtained by grep '\[DEP\]' .cache | cut or sed ...
20:45 < mnemoc> but on 2.2 we will need to disntiguish diferent kind of dependencies
20:45 < rxr> hm - trzue - including version num,ber ...
20:46 < rxr> let's just extend it then - old tools would only need a tine cut sed expression change ...
20:46 < mnemoc> ack
20:46 < rxr> to strip additional fields - and the [DEP] overhead would be smaller if additional rows are added ...
20:47 < rxr> hey - and /var/adm/dependencies is already one dep at a line
20:47 < rxr> ,-)
20:48 < rxr> just with senseless $pkg: prepended ...
20:48 < mnemoc> /var/adm/dependencies are only available on runing machine :)
20:48 < rxr> I know - but we do not need much processing
20:49 < rxr> doing one line deps in .cahe is just about removing one | fmt in Build-Pkg
20:49 < mnemoc> :)
20:50 < rxr> - if [ "$pkg" != "t2-debug" -a -f $x ]; then
20:50 < rxr> - cut -f2- -d' ' "$x" | \
20:50 < rxr> - fmt -70 | sed 's,^,[DEP] ,'
20:50 < rxr> - echo
20:50 < rxr> - fi
20:50 < rxr> + [ "$pkg" != "t2-debug" -a -f $x ] &&
20:50 < rxr> + cut -f2- -d' ' "$x" | sed 's,^,[DEP] ,'
20:50 < rxr> I hit commit ...
20:51 < rxr> or I change this to one sed ...
20:51 < mnemoc> one sed
20:51 < rxr> sed 's,^[^:]*:,[DEP],'
20:51 < rxr> all fine ?
20:52 < mnemoc> i think so
20:54 < mnemoc> what is dmake?
20:54 < rxr> no idea
20:54 < CIA-9> rene * r7076 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg:
20:54 < CIA-9> * simplified scripts/Build-Pkg to create .cache files with one line
20:54 < CIA-9> dependencies (to make diffs less noisy and support additinal fields
20:54 < CIA-9> in future releases)
20:54 < rxr> yet another make implementation that barely works right ?
20:54 < mnemoc> ooo claims to need that
20:55 < mnemoc> it also needs tcsh!
20:55 < mnemoc> for building
20:57 < rxr> .oOOO
20:57 < rxr> OOOOOO
20:58 < rxr> 5-glibc finished
20:58 < rxr> 5-linux26 running ...
20:58 < mnemoc> go go go
21:03 < rxr> http://www.geeks.cl/t2-mirror/2.1/ is down ?
21:03 < rxr> yep
21:03 < mnemoc> yes
21:04 < rxr> should I permanetly use your other to pull the clip patches ?
21:04 < mnemoc> add a translation on your machine to download clip stuff from my mirror :)
21:05 < rxr> I had to your other ..
21:05 < rxr> first box ...
21:05 < mnemoc> it will be back today
21:06 < mnemoc> i'm reconstructing that server
21:10 < rxr> no problem
21:14 < mnemoc> rxr: can you test the mirror now?
21:15 < rxr> ouhm - get a DOWNTEST file
21:15 < rxr> and I was just debugging why curl returns ok ... !!!
21:15 < rxr> bastard ....
21:15 * rxr grummel ...
21:15 < mnemoc> mom
21:15 < mnemoc> i'll remove it
21:16 < rxr> no
21:16 < rxr> I just use downtest2 ...
21:16 < rxr> was just joking ...
21:16 < mnemoc> ok, restoring the file
21:16 < rxr> I already changed to the other mirror of you for the clips download ...
21:17 < mnemoc> both have it
21:17 < mnemoc> t2 download by cron
21:17 < mnemoc> once per hour
21:17 < mnemoc> t2.geeks.cl i mean
21:17 < mnemoc> www.geeks.cl download by hand
21:18 < mnemoc> and they get sync every 4 hours
21:18 < rxr> what is with your first one? online for future use?
21:18 < mnemoc> yes
21:18 < mnemoc> back to stay
21:18 < rxr> I mean you just need to tell me which I should use to grap the file.
21:19 < mnemoc> www.geeks.cl get the file before t2.geeks.cl
21:22 < CIA-9> rene * r7077 /trunk/scripts/Download:
21:22 < CIA-9> * moved -f (silent fail without error document download) from the
21:22 < CIA-9> actual file download to the global curl options so it is also used
21:22 < CIA-9> for mirror checks and co (and the error document download is not
21:22 < CIA-9> used to measure mirror speed ...)
21:23 < rxr> so - bug fixed ,-)
21:23 < CIA-9> rene * r7078 /trunk/scripts/Download: * removed debug set -x - sorry
21:23 < rxr> mnemoc: could you remove the file for a test ?
21:23 < rxr> the DOWNTEST one ..
21:23 < rxr> (rename even)
21:24 < mnemoc> done
21:24 < mnemoc> mv DOWNTEST ..
21:24 < rxr> ok restore
21:24 < mnemoc> done
21:24 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 62630.000
21:24 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 62821.000
21:24 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... error
21:24 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 17440.000
21:24 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 50044.000
21:24 < rxr> INFO: Using mirror <http://nexus.tfh-berlin.de/~t2/source/2.1>.
21:24 < rxr> as expected ...
21:25 < mnemoc> {0,1,2}.de.t2-project.org ? {0,1}.cl.t2-project.org ?
21:28 < rxr> dl{,2,3} ... ?
21:29 < mnemoc> dl{,2,3}.de.t2-project.org?
21:29 < rxr> or we keep it less professional and more community driven looking ...
21:30 < mnemoc> :)
21:31 < rxr> well - we pay some EUR per year - we could also utilize the domain a bit more .. - including more professional appearance ... *g*
21:31 < rxr> what's your vote ?
21:32 < mnemoc> dl{,2,3}.de.t2-project.org and dl{,2}.cl.t2-project.org
21:32 < rxr> I wonder what tobias will think about this ...
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21:32 < rxr> (my nameserver provider ,-)
21:32 < rxr> and rock linux stable release maintainer *g*
21:34 < rxr> mnemoc: did kde-i18n-* built for you?
21:34 < rxr> or did you not try ... ?
21:35 < mnemoc> last time the failed due to kdebase
21:35 < mnemoc> should i retry kdebase?
21:35 < rxr> hm ok
21:35 < rxr> yes - please
21:35 < rxr> i wanted to know if you also get the usermake missing error as reported here ...
21:35 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg ref -remove kdebase
21:35 < rxr> I try on my iBook ...
21:35 < rxr> > IBM's AIX 4.3 and later support LZ compression on their JFS file system.
21:35 < rxr> > I was able to measure a 10-15% speed-up by converting /usr to compressed
21:35 < rxr> > even on a 133MZ Power604e chip because even back then, it was faster to
21:35 < rxr> > read half as many blocks off a SCSI disk and decompress.
21:35 < rxr> Interesting.
21:35 < rxr> cool
21:35 < mnemoc> ./scripts/Build-Target -cfg ref -job 5-kdebase
21:36 < mnemoc> on intel MHz, what is a 133MZ Power604e?
21:36 * rxr wants a lzo compressing reiser4 ... *g*
21:36 < rxr> hard to tell ...
21:37 < rxr> before my RISC experience I would have said 166Mhz PII ...
21:37 < rxr> but this really depends on the instruction style used by the specific program benchmark ...
21:37 < rxr> and the kind of RISC ...
21:37 < rxr> early PowerPC have not been that well ...
21:37 < rxr> even the G3 in my iBook is not that good
21:38 < rxr> far too few parallel processing units
21:38 < rxr> IIRC only one intenger and floating unit and 2 1/2 assed integer add ons ..
21:38 < rxr> that can do nearly nothing but trivial load store and so on ...
21:39 < rxr> IIRC - I tend to forget such detais quite quickly these days ..
21:39 < rxr> but lzo compressing fs is really nice in any case - IMO
21:39 < mnemoc> :)
21:39 < rxr> !> WARNING: use unsermake instead of make or use a wrapper ..
21:39 < rxr> ok - me pa!> make: unsermake: Command not found
21:39 < rxr> ok - me packaging
21:39 < mnemoc> packaging?
21:39 < rxr> unsermake
21:40 < mnemoc> :)
21:40 < rxr> WARNING: use unsermake instead of make or use a wrapper script, e.g. makeobj!!!
21:40 < rxr> exit
21:40 < rxr> wrong window ...
21:40 < mnemoc> have you used rox-filer?
21:41 < rxr> nope
21:42 < mipe> unsermake is from kde-i18n-*
21:42 < rxr> Unsermake is written in Python and does not need to be compiled.
21:42 < mipe> ?
21:42 < rxr> unsermake is a general kde project make replacement thing ...
21:43 < rxr> and seems to be required since 3.4-rc AFAICS
21:44 < mipe> i got that from kde-i18n-* too,and did checkout from kde cvs,but didnt try to install,all the "doesnt not work yet propely" warnings got me feared. making alias unsermake of make,might get it working.
21:45 < mipe> since its more or less the same as make,just makes on big makefile rather than several small ones. atleast thats what i understood it
21:46 < rxr> seems to be modelled the same way as scons - like better parallel build and co in mind ..
21:46 < mnemoc> == 03/05/05 17:45:39 =[5]=> Aborted building package kdebase.
21:46 < mnemoc> pop3.cc:477: error: at this point in file
21:46 < mnemoc> pop3.cc:481: error: `sasl_errdetail' undeclared (first use this function)
21:47 < rxr> no sasl here ..
21:47 < rxr> can you try disabling this sasl support ?
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21:47 < mnemoc> there is nothing about sasl on ./configure
21:47 < rxr> maybe subdir configures ?
21:48 < mnemoc> --with-extra-includes=
21:53 < rxr> ?
21:53 < mnemoc> that's what Debian rules use to give sasl path
21:53 < rxr> is the header not found ?
21:54 < mnemoc> it seem so
21:54 < rxr> then try that ... *g*
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21:58 < rxr> /bin/sh: line 1: 29517 Segmentation fault (core dumped) /opt/kde3/bin/meinproc --stylesheet /opt/kde3/share/apps/ksgmltools2/customization/kde-man.xsl /home/rene/develop/t2-trunk/src.kde-i18n-de.1110054910.23769.263c0a8/kde-i18n-de-3.4.0/docs/kdegames/kpat/man-kpat.6.docbook
21:58 < rxr> Error creating ../../../docs/kdegames/kpat/kpat.6. Exit status 139.
21:58 < mipe> http://koti.japo.fi/~pmika/libtool-link-lib64.patch
21:58 < rxr> with checks it complains ...
21:58 < mipe> at above url prover patch file replacement for freetype/libtool-link-lib64.patch
21:59 < mipe> old one didnt apply for some reason
21:59 < mnemoc> i guess i'll use {GCC,CXX}_WRAPPER_APPEND
22:00 < mipe> but back to bed...
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22:03 < mnemoc> i hate the morbous obesity of kde pacakges
22:16 < rxr> thanks mipe
22:19 < CIA-9> rene * r7079 /trunk/package/x11/freetype/libtool-link-lib64.patch:
22:19 < CIA-9> Mika Pesu :
22:19 < CIA-9> * fixed freetype/libtool-link-lib64.patch to actually apply
22:21 * mnemoc kicks kde cow}
22:22 < rxr> [5] base/linux26
22:22 < rxr> 1063 builds total, 125 completed fine, 1 with errors.
22:22 < mnemoc> :(
22:22 < rxr> acx
22:22 < mnemoc> again?
22:23 < rxr> new issue with .11 I think
22:24 < mnemoc> we have the last version of it :(
22:24 < rxr> I try to patch
22:24 < mnemoc> patch the patch? :)
22:25 < rxr> patch ?
22:25 * rxr looking confused
22:25 < mnemoc> jk
22:26 < rxr> if we are lucky just a static field was removed that is used in debuging printk ...
22:26 < rxr> oh - yes ..
22:26 < rxr> cool
22:26 * rxr diffinf ...
22:27 < mnemoc> :)
22:27 < rxr> mv acx100-0.2.0pre8_plus_fixes_45/ acx100-0.2.0pre8_plus_fixes_45-fixed
22:27 < rxr> ,-)
22:30 < rxr> untested means I have not fully rebuild the kernel right now ..
22:30 < rxr> want to let the normal packages proceed further ...
22:30 < rxr> so I can fix other things before I enter bed (soon)
22:31 < mnemoc> ack
22:31 < CIA-9> rene * r7080 /trunk/package/network/acx100/linux-2.6.11.patch: * fixed acx100 for linux-2.6.11 - untested but should do
22:33 < rxr> == 03/05/05 22:33:17 =[5]=> Finished building package gnupth.
22:33 < rxr> == 22:33:20 =[5]=> Building filesystem/sysfsutils [1.2.0 2.1.0-rc1].
22:33 < rxr> 1063 builds total, 140 completed fine, 1 with errors.
22:35 < rxr> so far .11 headers do not look that bad ...
22:36 < mnemoc> finally stabilized?
22:36 < rxr> doublt be intentino - maybe accidently ...
22:39 < mnemoc> :)
22:48 < CIA-9> rene * r7081 /trunk/package/ (x11/xcompmgr/ x11-ng/xcompmgr/): * moved x11/xcompmgr into x11-ng
22:56 < mnemoc> http://scm.sipfoundry.org/svndoc/apb.html#svn-ap-b-sect-1.2.15
22:57 < mnemoc> but i don't see the overlap on my config
22:57 < rxr> Location /www/foo>, but you've also set your DocumentRoot to be /www
22:57 < rxr> ?
22:58 < mnemoc> to me that means /www/www/foo
22:58 < rxr> what do you ahve ?
22:59 < rxr> or in private
23:06 < CIA-9> rene * r7082 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in:
23:06 < CIA-9> * first desktop target diet (untested) but also added wavemon, nload
23:06 < CIA-9> and acx100
23:09 < mnemoc> rene: hostap
23:14 < rxr> so next much removed
23:14 < rxr> bunch ..
23:14 < rxr> damn
23:14 < rxr> my typing degrades should serach for the bed soon
23:14 < mnemoc> :)
23:15 < CIA-9> rene * r7083 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in:
23:15 < CIA-9> * desktop audio filtered for the most useful stuff - untested
23:15 < CIA-9> * hostap added
23:21 < CIA-9> rene * r7084 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * desktop target graphic packages filtered
23:26 < CIA-9> rene * r7085 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * desktop mutlimedia packages filtered
23:28 < rxr> most packages are by far gnome ...
23:28 < rxr> (now)
23:29 < rxr> oceans' ^W top eleven:
23:29 < rxr> 24 multimedia
23:29 < rxr> 26 graphic
23:29 < rxr> 27 gnome14
23:29 < rxr> 28 x11
23:29 < rxr> 30 filesystem
23:29 < rxr> 32 perl
23:29 < rxr> 34 kde
23:29 < rxr> 36 audio
23:29 < rxr> 39 network
23:29 < rxr> 139 base
23:29 < rxr> 165 gnome2
23:29 < rxr> guess I have to filter gnome down to the fial core stuff for the desktop target sometime soon
23:30 < mnemoc> as i have said, i prefer lot of micro-projects than a fat kdedevelop
23:30 < rxr> oh - particular kdeveop gets very good
23:31 < rxr> in general the kde projects do very well - and the cool thing they are not fat - look at the gnome favoured ooo
23:31 < rxr> we still can not build it ...
23:31 < rxr> koffice builds for years and runs on a < 200Mhz Pentium ...
23:31 < mnemoc> but you have to accept the whole beast or nothing
23:32 < rxr> of course it lacks some import export functionality - but it is clean and scaled in a way where I was able to track problems in the soutrce myself - without ever looking at the code before ...
23:32 < rxr> not really ..
23:32 < rxr> kdelib and kdebase give you a quite nice kde base system
23:32 < rxr> even including Konqueror for web browsing ...
23:33 < rxr> and I think koffice only has the kdelibs kdebase as deps ... - so ...
23:33 < mnemoc> including including including... my problem is with excluding
23:33 < mnemoc> i like firfox
23:33 < rxr> some stuff could be finter grained - e.g to just get kamil wihtout the rest of kdepim ...
23:33 < mnemoc> and i don't want a second browser using space on my machine
23:33 < rxr> but compared to the gnome night mare ...
23:34 < rxr> you can do in your garget
23:34 < rxr> set some SUBDIRS on make and you go ...
23:34 < mnemoc> two highly different 'software engineering' approaches
23:35 < rxr> well - slackware even dropped (at least considered it - but I think they have) gnome due to the maintain nightmare ...
23:35 < rxr> and kde packages tend to be way more stable and functional ...
23:35 < rxr> e.g. any kioslave (http,ftp,scp,ssh,...) file access out of any kde program ...
23:35 < mnemoc> i know
23:36 < rxr> embedding ... - of kpdf, html, keditor components i
23:36 < rxr> up to koffice parts in kviews (like konqueror but also others ...)
23:36 < rxr> bonobo does after years of hacking not work ...
23:36 < mnemoc> but this is like religion, you wont convince me that approach is better :) i prefer minimalistic and modular stuff
23:36 < rxr> seen a abiword or gnumeric in your nautilus
23:36 < rxr> not even talking about a html component for nautilus ...
23:36 < mnemoc> KDE software is much better than gnome's
23:37 < mnemoc> and if i would be able to install just umbralla (example) i would be really happy
23:37 < mnemoc> but i'm not
23:38 < rxr> well - with kdelibs and kdesdk you get a bit more ... - but compared to the many many gnome deps you have to sort out first ...
23:38 < mnemoc> i can play with SUBDIRS but probably it will be a disaster
23:38 < rxr> but yes - this is a difference
23:38 < rxr> like the gnome deps desaster ?
23:38 < mnemoc> i don't consider gnome deps a disaster :)
23:39 < rxr> well - it was fun wen I initally sorted them - before we had the dep helper ...
23:39 < mnemoc> i can imagine that :D
23:40 < rxr> but I think the gnome problem is not the packaging - but C as base - it does not scale for a intuitive modern (read ftp http ... file access and embedding) desktop world ...
23:41 < rxr> package/kde/kdeedu/kdeedu.conf
23:41 < rxr> ^- might be a help when you want parts of kde ...
23:41 < rxr> no idea if it is officially supported - but what I use to disable parts that do not compile on non x86 arches ...
23:42 < mnemoc> i think mono will help them a lot
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23:42 < rxr> grep NOT_COMPILE package/kde/*/*
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23:43 < rxr> mnemoc: gnome people always sayed Onject Orient languages are eveil and so is C++ and ...
23:43 < rxr> in gnome 3 they use mono and are where kde was years before *g*
23:43 < rxr> *g*
23:44 < rxr> so - to my brother taking a look into his iee1394 sbp2 storage problem ...
23:44 < mnemoc> *G* :)
23:57 < mnemoc> can i set --no-auth-cache to be always used?
23:58 < mnemoc> i mean, i don't want auth-cache on a machine
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