--- Log opened Wed Jan 26 00:00:13 2005
00:06  * rxr fearing to debug glibc / gcc for sparc64 over the next weeks ...
00:10 < _Ragnar_> ;p
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00:16  * rxr replacing the Photoshop try out version with my own private copy ;-)
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00:32 < rxr> good that we got it "for free" and did not ahd to pay that price:
00:32 < rxr> http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000DD8SM/qid=1106695897/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_2_4/028-5070326-6726146
00:33 < valentin> what they want 1000Eur+ for that shitty gimp predecessor ?
00:34 < valentin> re btw
00:34 < rxr> yeah - I also can not believe that ...
00:35 < valentin> hey - it can do 16 bit color now
00:36 < rxr> it could before ..
00:36 < rxr> since ages - no idea why the page lists that ...
00:36 < rxr> I'm unsure if Gimp 2.x can - Gimp 1.x had no 16bit support ...
00:36 < rxr> only filmgimp has ...
00:36 < rxr> aka. cinepaint ...
00:36 < rxr> maybe they fixed this in 2.x but I have not yet taken a look
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01:06 < rxr> the sparc64 glibc passes most tests ...
01:06 < rxr> especially the vital elf, string ... ones
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01:07 < rxr> however some jsut error out "unable to set locale ..." ?!?!?
01:16 < _Ragnar_> did you compile with locale-support?:)
01:17 < rxr> think so ..
01:17 < rxr> normal emerge
01:17 < rxr> interesting
01:17 < rxr> a normally built ping does halfly work and BUSERR
01:17 < rxr> SIGBUS even
01:17 < rxr> a -O1 -ggdb does segfault on load ...
01:18 < rxr> and a T2 emerged does, too ..
01:18 < rxr> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.0xfffff80000011b28 in realloc () from /lib/ld-linux.so.2
01:23 < rxr> Program received signal SIGBUS, Bus error.main (argc=0, argv=0x40) at ping.c:726726    memcpy(&packettv, tp, sizeof(struct timeval));
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01:33 < rxr> ouhm - that one is new:
01:33 < rxr> Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
01:33 < rxr> siglongjmp () at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/sparc/sparc64/longjmp.S:43
01:33 < rxr> 43              ta      0x6f
01:33 < rxr> Current language:  auto; currently asm
01:36 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-43562131.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2
01:36 < Postal> Hey all
01:38 < _Ragnar_> hey
01:38 < _Ragnar_> rxr: ouch
01:39 < Postal> rxr, you around?
01:40 < rxr> already in bed - just waiting for s sparc64 glibc make install to finishd ...
01:40 < Postal> ah ok
01:44 < rxr> http://www.rockliinux.net and http://www.rocklinux.org down ?
01:44 < rxr> no DNS entry anymore ?
01:44 < rxr> has clifford again forgotten to pay the bill ?
01:45 < rxr> looks like the time to bookmark userfriendly - finally ,....
01:47 -!- sparcky is now known as sparc-kly
01:48 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
01:49 < _Ragnar_> there've been quite a lot of netsplits & stuff lately
01:49 < _Ragnar_> maybe there's a new worm on the loose
01:55 < _Ragnar_> clifford.at.            10800   IN      TXT     "domain gesperrt"
01:55 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr*
--- Log closed Wed Jan 26 09:11:37 2005
--- Log opened Wed Jan 26 09:13:29 2005
09:13 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
09:13 < _Ragnar_> yeah
09:14 < _Ragnar_> wb
09:50 < rxr> anything I missed in the night ?
09:50 < _Ragnar_> not really
09:50 < rxr> ouhm :-(
09:50 < _Ragnar_> sorry;)
09:51 < _Ragnar_> but I gotta head off to bed
09:51 < _Ragnar_> going to be a long day tomorrow
09:51 < rxr> cu then ;-)
09:51 < rxr> good night 
09:51 < _Ragnar_> cya
09:52 < rxr> cu
10:24 < rxr> super
10:24 < rxr> germany as it is ...
10:25 < rxr> registration office is not open today ... - any other day - but not today ...
10:25 < rxr> at the tax office the one responsible for R* is not picking up the phone ... 
10:25 < rxr> ouhm -- ...
10:35 < rxr> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
10:35 < rxr> how can this all be so stupid ...
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13:26 < rxr> me out into the -3.5°C air ...
13:55 < rxr> brrr - bibber
14:12 < rxr> hm - I wonder how my experimental pancake will taste ...
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15:21 < jsaw> re
15:25 < rxr> hi jsaw 
15:25 < jsaw> hi rxr
15:27 < rxr> hm - CIA defect ... ?
15:27 < jsaw> again...
15:27 < rxr> mnemoc_: KGB anywhere?
15:29 < rxr> mails go out ...
15:30 < rxr> Bad Gateway
15:30 < rxr> The proxy server received an invalid response from an upstream server.
15:30 < rxr>  
15:30 < rxr> Apache/2.0.52 (Gentoo/Linux) mod_ssl/2.0.52 OpenSSL/0.9.7d Server at cia.navi.cx Port 80
15:31 < rxr> ?!?!
15:31 < jsaw> yep, like the last time.
15:31 < rxr> uhm
15:31 < rxr> too many emerges on production servesr? *g*
15:32 < jsaw> :)
15:34 < rxr> I think I open some featured projects section on our homepage - to include some advertising links - e.g. to dietlibc or frequence3 ... ;-)
15:35 < jsaw> uclibc...
15:41 < rxr> <CIA-10> rene: branched -beta3 off - bumped version in trunk to -beta4, updated shadow and squid
15:41 < jsaw> hehe
15:42 < Postal> Hey All
15:42 < jsaw> hi Postal 
15:42 < rxr> damn - forgo to inject the checksums ...
15:43 < jsaw> rxr: do you know comedi?
15:44 < rxr> no
15:44 < rxr> hi Postal 
15:46 < Postal> Does this strike you as a refrence to X?
15:46 < Postal> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/3.4.3/../../../../x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu/bin/ld: warning: libXp.so.6, needed by /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
15:48 < Postal> Why would vim, be looking for files that relate to X.org? vim should not use X... or so I thought
15:48 < jsaw> Xprint?libXp - X Print Client Library
15:48 < jsaw> s/Xprint?//
15:48 < rxr> Postal: vim builds with gt+ support for gvim ...
15:49 < Postal> can that be disabled?
15:49 < rxr> yes in the config ...
15:49 < rxr> but it should built ...
15:49 < Postal> /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `XpGetPageDimensions'
15:49 < Postal> /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `XpGetOneAttribute'
15:49 < Postal> /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `XpStartPage'
15:49 < Postal> /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `XpGetScreenOfContext'
15:49 < Postal> /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `XpEndDoc'
15:49 < Postal> /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `XpQueryExtension'
15:49 < Postal> /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `XpStartDoc'
15:49 < Postal> /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `XpEndPage'
15:49 < Postal> /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `XpEndJob'
15:49 < Postal> /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `XpSelectInput'
15:49 < Postal> /usr/X11R6/lib64/libXaw.so: undefined reference to `XpGetContext'
15:49 < Postal> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
15:49 < rxr> but x.org should lib64 useage should be already fixed AFAICS
15:49 < Postal> it does not like X
15:50 < Postal> Well x.org built fine
15:50 < rxr> maybe you start using your freshly built system and see if it basically works and X comes up so you can rebuild t2 with the latest code in trunk to get around some of the problems you see that should be fixed ...
15:51 < rxr> yep - but your x.org installs into lib64 - I fixed it not to ...
15:53 < rxr> <CIA-10> <rene> updated gimp
15:54 < Postal> rxr, you fixed it not to..?
15:55 < Postal> startx
15:55 < Postal> hostname: Host name lookup failure
15:55 < Postal> xauth: error while loading shared libraries: libXmuu.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:55 < Postal> xauth: error while loading shared libraries: libXmuu.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:55 < Postal> xauth: error while loading shared libraries: libXmuu.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:55 < Postal> xauth: error while loading shared libraries: libXmuu.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:55 < Postal> xinit: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:55 < Postal> xauth: error while loading shared libraries: libXmuu.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
15:55 < Postal> Couldnt get a file descriptor referring to the console
15:56 < jsaw> try setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH
15:56 < Postal> jsaw, to what?
15:57 < rxr> LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/usr/X11/lib64" startx
15:57 < Postal> ok
15:57 < jsaw> or edit /etc/ld.so.conf
15:58 < Postal> jsaw, I cannot edit it as there is no editor installed
16:00 < jsaw> echo /usr/X11/lib64 >> /etc/ld.so.conf
16:00 < jsaw> but don't forget the double >> !!!
16:02 < rxr> Postal: nvi
16:02 < Postal> rxr, what is nvi?
16:03 < Postal> rxr, and nvi is also command not found
16:04 < rxr> nvi is a tiny vi - compared to the fat vim ...
16:05 < Postal> Fatal server error:
16:05 < Postal> xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory)
16:08 < rxr> you did chroot into the sandbox ?
16:08 < rxr> then do :
16:08 < rxr> mount /dev
16:08 < rxr> mount /proc
16:08 < rxr> and retry ... ;-)
16:08 < rxr> hm - your running kernel might have no devfs - that would suck ...
16:08 < rxr> no mount /dev then ...
16:09 < Postal> rxr, good call on dev, no devfs
16:10 < Postal> rxr, after mounting proc same error
16:10 < Postal> couldnt i just svn up and build everything?
16:11 < rxr> well - rebuilding t2 will not give you devfs in your host kernel ...
16:11 < rxr> you should better start booting into that system ...
16:11 < Postal> yeah, i got that much, but it might fix errors in the current packages
16:12 < Postal> as we are at beta4 now, and i was building with beta3?
16:13 < rxr> that does not mean much 
16:13 < Postal> rxr, I am reluctant to boot into the system until it has an editor
16:14 < rxr> beta4 is just the working title - that just means the current state will be released in some days and stuff we add nwo will not go into it ... anymore
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16:14 < rxr> Postal: you did a full minimal, no ?
16:14 < madtux> hello.
16:14 < rxr> a minimal should have nvi ... ;-)
16:14 < Postal> rxr, minimal with x.org template
16:14 < Postal> well its not there, can i pull it down in the sandbox and install it?
16:15 < rxr> ok - ic - no nvi in them ... :-(
16:15 < rxr> Postal: run the Config
16:15 < rxr> madtux: hi
16:15 < rxr> or - no wait
16:15 < rxr> you added X11/lib64 in the chroot sandbox ?
16:15 < rxr> then just rebuilt vim - hopefully it builds now ... ;-)
16:16 < Postal> ah ok
16:16 < daja77> hi madtux 
16:18 < madtux> hi rxr 
16:18 < Postal> rxr, ok, i think its building now
16:18 < madtux> Mr. Daniel, quite an honor to see you.
16:19  * daja77 should add a hilight to mr. daniel
16:21 < madtux> ;)
16:21 < jsaw> hi daja77 , madtux 
16:22 < daja77> hi jsaw 
16:25 < rxr> the 8051 ia an ugly uC ... - my oh my ...
16:25 < rxr> good that I start reading the lectures papers for the exam on friday right now ...
16:26 < rxr> would have be major waste of time doing that earlier ...
16:27 < Postal> rxr, vim built, but an attemp to open it produces a shared file error
16:27 < madtux> oh hello j howdy?
16:28 -!- Postal is now known as Postal|Away
16:28 < rxr> Postal|Away: oh :-(
16:28 < rxr> what kind of "shared file error" ?
16:29 < rxr> ouhm - that is again a damn learn specs by heart exam ..
16:29 < rxr> how I hate those ...
16:30 < rxr> damn - where is bit xyz and how many i/o s.th. has this an special 8051 variant ...
16:30 < Postal|Away> libXaw.so.8:cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
16:30 < rxr> as if I one want's to know such crap off hand ...
16:30 < Postal|Away> brb
16:30 < rxr> Postal|Away: run ldconfig inside the chroot
16:31 < rxr> if /usr/X11/lib64 is listed in /etc/ld.so.conf ...
16:39 -!- Postal|Away is now known as Postal
16:40 < Postal> rxr, running ldconfig, did nothing
16:40 < Postal> rxr, oh wait, now i can start vim
16:40 < rxr> /usr/X11/lib64 is in /etc/ld.so.conf ?
16:41 < rxr> ;-)
16:41 < Postal> rxr, can you run the scripts to build packages from inside the sandbox?
16:41 < rxr> sure
16:42 < Postal> rxr, that was kind of a "How do you" question
16:42 < Postal> lol
16:42 < rxr> well - you get a copy of the t2 source it it and run them as usual ...
16:42 < rxr> e.g. freshly checck it out there ...
16:42 < Postal> ok
16:42 < rxr> or copy from the outside of the sandbox into it ...
16:43 < Postal> should my internet work in the sandbox?
16:43 < Postal> ok, well at anyrate, lets boot this thing
16:43 < Postal> its ready
16:44 < rxr> yes - network shoudl work
16:44 < Postal> now what was the command to move the sandbox to the front..? cause last time i got it wrong
16:44 < rxr> just add the namservers to /etc/resolv.conf ...
16:45 < rxr> yes - this time I do not tell you the command ;-)
16:45 < rxr> but:
16:45 < rxr> - go out of the sandbox
16:45 < Postal> ok
16:45 < rxr> - run Cleanup
16:45 < rxr> - and then the copy ...
16:45 < rxr> preconditions
16:45 < rxr> you have t2 in /mnt/t2/t2-trunk or so ?
16:46 < rxr> and /mnt/t2 is the mountpoint of this extra partition ?
16:46 < Postal> /mnt/t2 is the mount point and then /mnt/t2/t2-trunk is the svn co folder
16:47 < Postal> linux:/mnt/t2/t2-trunk # build/system-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon64-64-generic-expert
16:47 < rxr> ok - s.th. else:
16:47 < Postal> or actually
16:47 < Postal> no thats right
16:47 < rxr> umount all that is mounted in the sandbox: e.g. .../proc .../dev and7Or .../sys
16:47 < rxr> then (example - please double check):
16:47 < rxr> cd /mnt/t2/
16:48 < rxr> mv t2-trunk/build/system-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon64-64-generic-expert/
16:48 < rxr> /mnt/t2/
16:48 < rxr> leave the first cd ...
16:48 < rxr> ah - no - sorry for the confusion ...
16:48 < rxr> cd /mnt/t2
16:49 < rxr> mv t2-trunk/build/system-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon64-64-generic-expert/* .
16:49 < rxr> the last one should do well - but please double think ...
16:49 < Postal> mv t2-trunk/build/system-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon64-64-generic-expert/*
16:50 < Postal> that is the command exactly as i have it typed
16:51 < Postal> does it look ok?
16:53 < rxr> don't forget the last . ;-)
16:53 < rxr> mv "all in sandbox" to . (working directory)
16:53 < Postal> its just a period..
16:53 < rxr> yep just a single .
16:53 < Postal>  mv t2-trunk/build/system-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon64-64-generic-expert/* .
16:54 < rxr> ;-)
16:54 < rxr> yes - when you cd'ed into /mnt/t2 before ,-)
16:54 < Postal> linux:/mnt/t2 # mv t2-trunk/build/system-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon64-64-generic-expert/* .
16:55 < Postal> ok im going to hit enter
16:56 < rxr> looks - ok - but no garuantee *g*
16:56 < Postal> ok it finished
16:58 < rxr> it finished in fractions of a second I hope?
16:58 < rxr> like immediately ?
16:59 < rxr> ls /mnt/t2 
16:59 < rxr> gives you all the normal root dies like /bin /sbin /dev /proc /usr and so on ?
17:01 < rxr> I donsider ordering this printer:
17:01 < rxr> http://printer.konicaminolta.net/products/PDFs/mc2430DL_Spec_St_4pg.pdf
17:01 < rxr> does anyone see s.th. evil I overlooked - except that new toner is unbelievable expensive ?
17:04 < rxr> Postal: still alive ?
17:07 < Postal> rxr, hold on
17:07 < Postal> rxr, yeah it gives me all the normal folders
17:07 < jsaw> rxr: if you don't use their eth implementation...
17:08 < jsaw> rxr: or maybe that device works properly... who knows
17:11 < rxr> eth ?
17:11 < rxr> jsaw: what do you mean ? /me puzzled
17:13 < Postal> rxr, so what now?
17:14 < rxr> configure your system grub to load the kernel from that t2 partition and use the t2 partition as root ...
17:14 < Postal> ok
17:14 < jsaw> rxr: I meant the Ethernet port. We have a Konica/Minolta 7023 (Copy/Fax/Print/Scan), and after sleep, it is sometimes not reachable... after hard power cycle, it's okay again
17:14 < rxr> ah - and chroot into /mnt/t2 quickly, to set the root passwd ...
17:14 < rxr> just run "passwd" ..
17:14 < Postal> ok
17:14 < rxr> jsaw: ah - ok
17:15 < jsaw> rxr: however I must say, that ppl here in the institute are setting up machines and just grab an IP without asking... so it could also be that...
17:15 < Postal> rxr, refesh my memory, im used to the patched fedra grub, where is the actually boot file to edit
17:16 < jsaw> /boot/grub/menu.lst
17:16 < Postal> thats right
17:16 < Postal> jsaw, im used to it being all in /etc/grub.conf
17:17 < jsaw> hmm...
17:17 < rxr> jsaw: you like that location *g* ?
17:18 < jsaw> yes. I only have to mount /boot in case sth. goes wrong...
17:18 < rxr> jsaw: if I invest into this (energy consuming) printer, it will most probably powered off and only powered up for print jobs ...
17:18 < jsaw> But we could add a link from /etc/grub.conf to /boot/grub/menu.lst
17:19 < rxr> not that I print that much - but I need to replace this aging Epson 600 urgently - after 8 years or so it is nearly breaking apart and the quality is horrible ...
17:19 < jsaw> rxr: they do not consume that much when sleeping, or?
17:19 < rxr> the spec lists much ...
17:19 < rxr> page 4
17:20 < rxr> stand by: 250W or less
17:20 < jsaw> mechanically the Konica/Minolta thing is the best we had so far. However our big Minolta color laser is *insert favourite curse*
17:20 < rxr> energy star compliant: 28W or less
17:21 < jsaw> well, that's still too much... *g*
17:21 < rxr> operational: 600W average 1.100W maximum ...
17:21 < jsaw> your sparc will like it.
17:21 < jsaw> :]
17:21 < rxr> yeah ...
17:21 < rxr> need to rewrite the outlets ...
17:22 < rxr> jsaw: you saw 23, the movie ?
17:22 < rxr> "dann lassen wir eine starkstomleitung legen" - "Ja, und die passende Kühlung gleich mit"
17:23 < Postal> does the backspace key never work in vi?
17:24 < rxr> well - when you hack the config it should *g*
17:24 < rxr> should add reviewing vi key configuration work to my TODO
17:24 < Postal> and if i just wanted to delete somthing, i would hit what
17:25 < rxr> x
17:26 < jsaw> rxr: I have seen a cinema once the last 3 years (Der Untergang)
17:26 < rxr> was it the lastest WWII movie ?
17:26 < Postal> title T2 Linux 64-Bit Edition
17:26 < Postal>     kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinux_2.6.10-dist root=/dev/hde6
17:26 < jsaw> rxr: yes
17:26 < rxr> the kernel is at /boot/, no ?
17:27 < rxr> jsaw: have not saw that - I can not see any more WWII stuff ...
17:27 < Postal> rxr, yes i suppose it is
17:27 < jsaw> rxr: usually I'm either impressed or I find a movie boring... but that one was - shocking/impressive. 
17:27 < rxr> Postal: it is missing in your kernel line
17:28 < jsaw> it's definitely a great movie.
17:28 < Postal> rxr, yes i added it already
17:28 < Postal> brb
17:28 < rxr> cu
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17:28 < rxr> hope the SATA stuff works out ...
17:28 < rxr> .oO
17:28 < rxr> hde does not look good ...
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18:04 < Postal> Hey
18:05 < Postal> I got a kernel panic on the root=/dev/hde6... but i know thats correct
18:07 < Postal> any ideas?
18:08 < rxr> 17:28 < rxr> hope the SATA stuff works out ...
18:08 < rxr> 17:28 < rxr> .oO
18:08 < rxr> 17:28 < rxr> hde does not look good ...
18:08 < rxr> yes
18:08 < rxr> with devfs you have no hde ...
18:08 < rxr> it is /dev/ide/hostX/busY/targetZ/lun0/part6
18:08 < Postal> well its sata remember
18:08 < rxr> ok
18:08 < Postal> ..?
18:08 < rxr> then maybe even:
18:08 < rxr> it is /dev/scsi/hostX/busY/targetZ/lun0/part6
18:09 < Postal> ok ill try that
18:09 < rxr> just that you need know X Y and Z ...
18:09 < Postal> rxr, how do i find those?
18:09 < rxr> jsaw: do you know if with 2.6 kernels /dev/discs/disc0/ does work as root ?
18:09 < rxr> well - I have not used non devfs systems since 1998 ... hm
18:10 < Postal> rxr, then why are we using it now?
18:10 < rxr> because /dev/hd* sucks?
18:10 < Postal> ...?
18:10 < rxr> no way to know what hd* is ...
18:11 < rxr> with devfs you have useful and recognizeable names like /dev/ide and /dev/scsi
18:11 < rxr> hde should be
18:11 < rxr> /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/
18:12 < rxr> and 6 -> part6
18:12 < rxr> /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part
18:12 < rxr> /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part6
18:12 < rxr> but no garuantee
18:12 < rxr> how many discs do you have at that box? one ?
18:13 < rxr> if yes try this convienient name:
18:13 < rxr> /dev/discs/disc0/part6
18:13 < rxr> but I'm unsure if it works that early in 2.6 kernels ...
18:13 < rxr> maybe jsaw does konw off hand ?
18:13 < Postal> ok, i have one disc connected right now, but i have three
18:13 < Postal> two ide and one sata
18:14 < Postal> but only the sata is connected at the moment
18:15 < rxr> when only the sata one is connected it is :
18:15 < rxr> /dev/discs/disc0/part6
18:15 < rxr> if the ide ones are present they come first
18:15 < rxr> and the sata one is:
18:15 < rxr> /dev/discs/disc2/part6
18:15 < rxr> but if you have changing discs use this one:
18:16 < rxr> /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part6
18:16 < Postal> THe sata is on bus 0 i think... let me check for you brb
18:16 < rxr> and take a look at the kernel messages what discs are detected ...
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18:22 < Postal> ok my sata is the master in IDE Channel 2
18:22 < Postal> but it is the only hard drive right now
18:26 < Postal> so hde6 would = ??
18:30 < Postal> ..?
18:30 < Postal> rxr, you alive
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18:37 < rxr> ype
18:38 < rxr> I think hde6 should be 1:1 translatable into the one I wrote above:
18:38 < rxr> /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part6
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18:49 < Postal> IT WORKS
18:49 < rxr> cool!
18:49 < _Ragnar_> hi
18:49 < rxr> you missed:
18:49 < rxr> 18:37 < rxr> ype
18:49 < rxr> 18:38 < rxr> I think hde6 should be 1:1 translatable into the one I wrote above:
18:49 < rxr> 18:38 < rxr> /dev/ide/host1/bus0/target0/lun0/part6
18:50 < rxr> ;-)
18:50 < Postal> no that is not correct
18:51 < Postal> /dev/discs/disc0/part6
18:51 < rxr> ok - good to know that this one work ...
18:52 < Postal> also, it did not mount a swap..
18:52 < Postal> but i have a swap defined on /dev/discs/disc0/part3
18:53 < Postal> and i need to get the internet to work
18:55 < Postal> so I am going to fix these problems in Chroot, as it is easier..
18:58 < Postal> rxr, i edited the resolv.conf to match my current, anything else that i need to edit to get my internet to work?
19:01 < rxr> just do swapon /dev/...
19:01 < rxr> if you want it on bootup add it to the /etc/fstab ...
19:01 < Postal> rxr, and about the internet
19:02 < Postal> actually i think it will work provided that the kernel detects my cards correctly
19:03 < rxr> what do you need for internet ?
19:03 < rxr> PPPoE or so ?
19:03 < Postal> no, i just like to have it, but i already edited the resolv.conf, and it works in chroot
19:03 < rxr> what do you use to connect to the net?
19:04 < Postal> an cable modem and a linksys gigabyte ethernet card
19:04 < Postal> or a realtek gigabyte ethernet card
19:04 < Postal> whichever one happens to work
19:06 < Postal> also is there a way to change the resolution in console to 1280x1024?x
19:12 < rxr> oehm - yes - later
19:12 < rxr> you need PPPoE over the cable modem?
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19:23 < Postal> rxr, i think i have to load some kernel modules for my network cards
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19:36 < Postal> rxr, is there no hotpug, or coldplug hardware detection?
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19:47 < Postal> Why isnt the kernel detecting my network cards on boot?
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19:55 < lars__> hi.
19:56 < lars__> rxr,valentin: can you recomend me a c++ thread libary. Or may i better use pthreads?
19:56 < Postal> It does not make sense as to why these network cards will not detect...
20:24 < rxr> hi lars__ 
20:24 < rxr> lars__: what do you exactly need /
20:25 < rxr> btw. lars__ I consider buying this one:
20:25 < rxr> http://printer.konicaminolta.net/products/PDFs/mc2430DL_Spec_St_4pg.pdf
20:25 < rxr> maybe you have comments ...
20:25 < rxr> Postal: maybe the driver is compiled as module ? and yo uhave neither hotplug nor rockplug in the minimal ?
20:25 < rxr> try hwscan 
20:26 < rxr> I mean just :
20:26 < rxr> hwscan
20:26 < rxr> on the prompt
20:26 < rxr> and see if it detects s.th. ..
20:26 < Postal> couldent i just recompile the kernel, with kernel level hotplug, and kernel level netconfig?
20:28 < rxr> oehm
20:28 < rxr> hotplug in the kernel just means devices may appear and disappear - you still need user-space utilites ..
20:29 < rxr> what do you mean with kernel level netconfig ?
20:30 < Postal> the new 2.6.10 kernel, supports an auto config and setup of your network cards with dchp.. at the kerenl level, i dont know if you have that compiled into yuor kernel or not
20:30 < rxr> yes - linux includes this for some time now - but this is not intended for normal use - but only for bootup ...
20:31 < Postal> ok, so running hwscan will do what?
20:31 < rxr> I would just build the dhcp package and use the normal user space stuff
20:31 < rxr> first, run depmod
20:32 < Postal> ok
20:32 < rxr> to make sure the module tables are up to datkea
20:32 < rxr> hwscan is some script that will match the hardware with the module tables
20:32 < rxr> and output what was detected and the proper modprobe commands ...
20:32 < Postal> ok
20:33 < Postal> well, i used the modules that suse uses, to try and get the network cards to work... but that did not work... the modules loaded correctly, but the cards were not detected in ifconfig
20:33 < rxr> you know that ifconfig only shows activated links ?
20:33 < rxr> try ifconfig -a ... ;-)
20:34 < Postal> well it should be active via dhcp...?
20:34 < rxr> (to list non active ones)
20:34 < Postal> cause its pluged in
20:34 < rxr> only if you run some dhcp client ...
20:34 < rxr> ifconfig eth0 up
20:34 < rxr> dhclient eht0
20:34 < Postal> are there any dhcp clients in the minimal build?
20:35 < rxr> seems so
20:35 < rxr> dhcp is in it ...
20:35 < Postal> ok
20:35 < rxr> btw. I do not think any distribution does use the kernel level dhcp stuff ...
20:35 < rxr> it is really only for network only (thin) clients ...
20:35 < rxr> I tink all use dhcp or simillar 
20:36 < Postal> ic, would installing hotpluging asap be wise?
20:36 < rxr> red hat used "pump" in the past - no idea if they still do ...
20:36 < rxr> yes - but the minimal build is quite of - well bare bone ...
20:36 < rxr> for a normal desktop install it is the default ...
20:36 < rxr> and e.g. we normally use rockplug for this - which is quite advanced 
20:36 < Postal> which is better?
20:36 < rxr> hwscan is the rockplug precedor - but easier to use it stand-alone ...
20:37 < Postal> no ie hotplug, or rockplug?
20:37 < rxr> the recent hotplug does some things better
20:37 < rxr> but at the time we wrote rockplug it (hotplug) just sucked
20:37 < rxr> the current versions still do for the bootup scanning we use ...
20:38 < rxr> but we will rewrite rockplug as hwscan2 or so - or hotplug++ not yet sure about the name soon ...
20:38 < rxr> to lift the quite many choices we now have in t2 ...
20:39 < _Ragnar_> *grrrrrrrrrr*
20:40 < _Ragnar_> why would a var_append confopt work in package/*/rpm/rpm.conf, but not in package/*/uclibc/patches/rpm.conf ...
20:40 < rxr> hm - no idea ?
20:40 < Postal> ok well once i get my internet in the T2, i will go ahead and compile a desktop build
20:40 < rxr> _Ragnar_: does rpm reset it or so ?
20:41 < rxr> most probably the evaluation order ...
20:41 < _Ragnar_> no
20:41 < rxr> or reseting them somewhere ...
20:41 < Postal> as far as updating and installing packages goes, what is the best way to do that?
20:41 < rxr> well - ther is either Update-System - which rebulids all newer stuff for older versions installed
20:41 < Postal> ok
20:42 < rxr> or Emerge-Pkg -repository kde or so for example that does it for repositories or even single packages ...
20:42 < rxr> like Emerge-Pkg gimp when you jut want to get todays gimp :-()
20:42 < Postal> ok cool, can you recomend a console irc client?
20:42 < lars__> rxr: I have some code here which is linked against opentop Threads --- but that is commercial, at least I only found a new version which is commercial on the web. It would be easyer to adapt the code if I find a OO thread implementation. Currently I am playing arround with the one in GSMP. Seems that it is sufficient.
20:42 < rxr> Postal: irssi is really cool
20:43 < Postal> is it in the repository?
20:43 < rxr> sure
20:43 < rxr> but not in the minimal build I guess
20:43 < rxr> lars__: would be cool if the GSMP thread abstraction is enough ;-)
20:43 < Postal> ok i am going to try and get my internet to work now bbl
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20:43 < rxr> we could add some things when you need additions - though ...
20:43  * rxr away for some minuites
20:45 < lars__> I adapted the code and it already complied. Will try to link it now --- this will need some time, because of other requierenments...
20:45 < rxr> lars__: btw. benh was holidaying - that is most probably the cause for the 2.6.10 sleep patch lack
20:45 < rxr> lars__: are you at the institute ?
20:45 < lars__> oh, did he finished his hollidays?
20:45 < rxr> seems so ...
20:46 < lars__> no I am at home ... pamela does not like it, when I am working at home...
20:46 < rxr> why do you do then =
20:47 < lars__> but anyway she does not like it even less if I am still in the institute at this time...
21:02 < rxr> I can imagine
21:03 < lars__> how can I include the GSMP utilties as subrepository in my repository (like you did it in t2) only checking it out in a working copy and then commiting?
21:03 < rxr> no
21:04 < rxr> you need to set the svn:externals or so property ...
21:04 < lars__> How, do I do this?
21:05 < lars__> ... away for some min, because Pamela needs the computer for ebaying...
21:05 < rxr> svn ps svn:externals "http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk/utilities utilities" .
21:05 < rxr> or so
21:05 < rxr> --typos ...
21:05  * rxr sleeping soon, too
21:06 < rxr> I guess you'll have a mac mini, soon ?
21:08 < rxr> n8 all
21:09 < _Ragnar_> gn8 rxr 
21:19 < jsaw> re
21:22 < _Ragnar_> hi jsaw 
21:22 < jsaw> hi _Ragnar_ 
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23:25 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5804 /trunk/package/scientific/comedi-driver/ (5 files): 
23:25 < CIA-10> * add CoMeDI (Control and Measurement Device Interface) linux kernel
23:25 < CIA-10>  drivers (0.7.69)
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23:28 < Postal> Hey all
23:28 < Postal> irssi would not compile rxr
23:29 < jsaw> hi Postal 
23:29 < jsaw> 21:10 < rxr> n8 all
23:29 < Postal> jsaw, ah
23:30 < jsaw> what's wrong with irssi?
23:30 < Postal> jsaw, prehaps you can help me
23:30 < jsaw> he
23:31 < Postal> jsaw, not sure, now that i compiled it from inside the distro, i dont know where to find the error log
23:31 < jsaw> /var/adm/logs/9-irssi.err ?
23:33 < Postal> ok..
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23:33 < jsaw> ?
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23:34 < Postal> hmm
23:34 < jsaw> ?
23:34 < Postal> its not sending the things i paste in
23:35 < Postal> "/t2-trunk/src.irssi.1106760155.20950.7f0100/irssi-0.8.9/glib-1.2.10/glib.h:2256: error: parse error before "g_date_sunday_weeks_in_year"
23:35 < Postal> there are a bunch that I could send you but they all seem to have to do with glib.h files and dates
23:37 < jsaw> ??? my irssi is linked to glib-2.6
23:37 < Postal> if thats what it says
23:38 < jsaw> oh, internal glib...
23:38 < Postal> jsaw, just so you know this is x86_64
23:38 < jsaw> I know.
23:38 < jsaw> try building gnome2/glib first
23:40 < Postal> um ok, but i would like to have an irc client in the distro, so that when i run into problems i cannot solve, or figure out, i dont have to reboot into suse again..
23:40 < Postal> is there another client i could use for irc?
23:41 < Postal> something small and lightwieght prehaps
23:42 < jsaw> centericq, ircii ?
23:42 < jsaw> don't know them.
23:43 < Postal> ok im on freshmeat, ill pick one and install that
23:43 < jsaw> both are in t2
23:43 < Postal> ok
23:43 < jsaw> but try the glib-2.6 first...
23:43 < Postal> does it make a big diff wether i get them from t2, or from somewhere else?
23:44 < jsaw> not sure what you mean. I thought you simply want them compiled under t2?
23:45 < Postal> i do, but would there be any difference if i got the source from say, freshmeat, as opposed to ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg?
23:45 < jsaw> only if we have fixes/patches for that package
23:45 < Postal> ok
23:46 < Postal> going to reboot and install glib-2.6 and an irc client back when finished...
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